Re: Best CF editor?
So if I have a file - file.cfc for example - I could split it up easily? But would I still be able to instanciate it the same way? I am sure you know as well as I, that sometimes refactoring is just not an option... That's true, although with either CFCs or includes there are easy ways to divide the file up into multiple without actually refactoring them and take just a few minutes. cfif b...1000 lines of codecfelse...1000 lines of code/cfif becomes cfif bcfinclude template=1000lines.cfm cfelsecfinclude template=1000lines2.cfm/cfif Or in a CFC cfcomponent extends=thing ... 2000 lines ... /cfcomponent becomes cfcomponent extends=thing ...1000 lines ... /cfcomponent cfcomponent extends=1000lines ...another 1000 lines... /cfcomponent Inelegant though it may be, it's not very time consuming. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306799 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
I can see how a CFC can get large as is it supposed to be a library of like functions, so if you had a site that had a calendar that was cfc based (for instance) and you had all of you calendaring functions in that cfc, that could get huge. Would you really want to break up the functional unit into separate CFC's? Would that be any more efficient than having them in one big file (as long as they were all related of course). Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Michael Christensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:42 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*So if I have a file - file.cfc for example - I could split it up easily? /* /*But would I still be able to instanciate it the same way? /* /* /* I am sure you know as well as I, that sometimes refactoring is just not /*an option... /* /*That's true, although with either CFCs or includes there are easy ways /*to divide the file up into multiple without actually refactoring them /*and take just a few minutes. /* /*cfif b...1000 lines of codecfelse...1000 lines of code/cfif /* /*becomes /* /*cfif bcfinclude template=1000lines.cfm /*cfelsecfinclude template=1000lines2.cfm/cfif /* /*Or in a CFC /* /*cfcomponent extends=thing /*... 2000 lines ... /*/cfcomponent /* /*becomes /* /*cfcomponent extends=thing /*...1000 lines ... /*/cfcomponent /* /*cfcomponent extends=1000lines /*...another 1000 lines... /*/cfcomponent /* /*Inelegant though it may be, it's not very time consuming. /* /*-- /*s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch /* isn't it time for a change? /* ph: 617.365.5732 /* /*http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306816 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
If the file is so large that the IDE can't load it, that means we're talking about thousands or tens of thousands of lines of code. It really needs to be split up into smaller components that do more specific things, because what this really becomes is an example of an anti-pattern known as a God Object ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_object). Maintenance is almost guaranteed to become more difficult as time goes on. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:41 AM, Michael Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if I have a file - file.cfc for example - I could split it up easily? But would I still be able to instanciate it the same way? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306823 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
So if I have a file - file.cfc for example - I could split it up easily? But would I still be able to instanciate it the same way? Yes `0 ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306826 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
So if I have a file - file.cfc for example - I could split it up easily? But would I still be able to instanciate it the same way? Yes, just make sure you're not using a cfinclude within a function. That exposes all protected local vars. Rather include the entire function as in !--- componentExample.cfc --- cfcomponent output = false etc cfinclude template= /pathToFunctions/function1.cfm cfinclude template= /pathToFunctions/function2.cfm etc. /cfcomponent then you can instantiate it as usual cfset compExample = CreateObject(component, componentExample) / hth, larry ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306829 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
I can see how a CFC can get large as is it supposed to be a library of like functions, so if you had a site that had a calendar that was cfc based (for instance) and you had all of you calendaring functions in that cfc, that could get huge. Would you really want to break up the functional unit into separate CFC's? Would that be any more efficient than having them in one big file (as long as they were all related of course). Differences would be minimal with regard to how the server handles it - on my end however, I find that it's easier to work with smaller files, whether they're related or not. So in my case, I'd actually prefer if I had a library of calendar functions for example, to have a folder with several actual files, and I may choose to create a separate file for each function or to just group the functions into several different categories. For inclusion's sake I would probably create a wrapper to load the set -- just a single file that includes all the other functions. Although in my case when I'm working on my own projects the onTap framework has a library manager/loader that expects (mostly) each file to contain just the one function and then also uses that same file to provide documentation for itself. So when you look at the documentation for the framework in a browser, there's a page of docs for each function library where it's actually including each file in the library to show its docs. Helps to keep things tidy, although of course there are always a few bugs in the docs. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306852 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
So if I have a file - file.cfc for example - I could split it up easily? But would I still be able to instanciate it the same way? Yeah, CFCs in particular would be functionaly the same. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306853 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
Speaking of CF Editors... Bummer... I wanted to give Dreamweaver CS4 beta a try, but you have to be a CS3 or GoLive owner to try the beta. Seems like Adobe might be interested in the feedback of someone who's never used DW before. Oh, well...perhaps the trial will be out soon. Rick -Original Message- From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? So if I have a file - file.cfc for example - I could split it up easily? But would I still be able to instanciate it the same way? Yeah, CFCs in particular would be functionaly the same. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306855 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Friday 30 May 2008, Aaron Rouse wrote: I looked earlier and believe I have 3.3.2 Workspace-wide search is in the 3.3 series too. Probably 3.2 if I remember my home machine right... -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306550 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Sunday 01 Jun 2008, Aaron Rouse wrote: How do you know with 100% certainty that some other editor is not going to change the code on you in some odd ball case? DW mangles my code (I've seen it do it, years ago). Eclipse, in many years of using it, has never mangled my code. So just on the balance of probability, Eclipse wins. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306552 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Michael Christensen wrote: and HomeSite for the large files (until I may eventually have time to split them up). That's the thing, CFEclipse chokes on files once their size gets so big you should refactor them anyway :-) -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306554 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Friday 30 May 2008, Qing Xia wrote: But work set? Have not done that. I am going to look it up in the online references you have so graciously provided. I'd skip learning it, and jump straight to the (free) Mylyn plugin, which automatically filters the file navigator based on what files you actually worked with. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306551 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Sunday 01 Jun 2008, s. isaac dealey wrote: the unlikely event that Dreamweaver did corrupt a file, recovery is pretty simple. *When you notice*. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306553 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
After being at cf.Objective() and seeing Eclipse used and promoted by so many developers, I'm doing my best to adopt it. Code completion and integrated FTP are the two items I miss the most. I get frustrated with Eclipse closing my elements but not enough to have to type the closing tag every time. Yes, I'm aware that there are some behaviors that I can tweak with regard to closing and auto-insertion. Unfortunately, there is no 'work exactly like DW does' checkbox. :) It's nice to see some DWers come out of the closet! So who's going to get the DW logo tattooed on their arm and apply for a project with Mark? :) -Original Message- From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 3:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? On Saturday 31 May 2008, Michael Christensen wrote: and HomeSite for the large files (until I may eventually have time to split them up). That's the thing, CFEclipse chokes on files once their size gets so big you should refactor them anyway :-) -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306558 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
I am sure you know as well as I, that sometimes refactoring is just not an option... On Saturday 31 May 2008, Michael Christensen wrote: and HomeSite for the large files (until I may eventually have time to split them up). That's the thing, CFEclipse chokes on files once their size gets so big you should refactor them anyway :-) -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306561 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
ROFL /*-Original Message- /*From: Jason Durham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:59 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: RE: Best CF editor? snipped /*It's nice to see some DWers come out of the closet! So who's going to /*get the DW logo tattooed on their arm and apply for a project with Mark? /*:) ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306564 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
Hi. I'm Mike and I'm a Dreamweaver user. It's nice to see some DWers come out of the closet! So who's going to get the DW logo tattooed on their arm and apply for a project with Mark? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306565 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
You are aware - I hope - that CFEclipse has FTP support? It's the FIle Browser. It works both with local paths and FTP paths. One benefit it has over RDS is: a) Most folks disable RDS on production b) I love that w/ FTP, I can specify a folder to jump to immediately. With RDS I have to dig down to my files. On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Jason Durham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After being at cf.Objective() and seeing Eclipse used and promoted by so many developers, I'm doing my best to adopt it. Code completion and integrated FTP are the two items I miss the most. I get frustrated with Eclipse closing my elements but not enough to have to type the closing tag every time. Yes, I'm aware that there are some behaviors that I can tweak with regard to closing and auto-insertion. Unfortunately, there is no 'work exactly like DW does' checkbox. :) -- === Raymond Camden, VP of Software Dev, Broadchoice Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306566 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Oh it may be. I'm just saying you can also do it with CFE. On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Jason Durham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought FTP support was provided via the Aptana plugin. I've also been busy learning Coldbox, Transfer and Coldspring so I haven't had much time to explore (cf)Eclipse. :) -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? You are aware - I hope - that CFEclipse has FTP support? It's the FIle Browser. It works both with local paths and FTP paths. One benefit it has over RDS is: -- === Raymond Camden, VP of Software Dev, Broadchoice Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306577 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
I thought FTP support was provided via the Aptana plugin. I've also been busy learning Coldbox, Transfer and Coldspring so I haven't had much time to explore (cf)Eclipse. :) -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? You are aware - I hope - that CFEclipse has FTP support? It's the FIle Browser. It works both with local paths and FTP paths. One benefit it has over RDS is: a) Most folks disable RDS on production b) I love that w/ FTP, I can specify a folder to jump to immediately. With RDS I have to dig down to my files. On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Jason Durham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After being at cf.Objective() and seeing Eclipse used and promoted by so many developers, I'm doing my best to adopt it. Code completion and integrated FTP are the two items I miss the most. I get frustrated with Eclipse closing my elements but not enough to have to type the closing tag every time. Yes, I'm aware that there are some behaviors that I can tweak with regard to closing and auto-insertion. Unfortunately, there is no 'work exactly like DW does' checkbox. :) -- === Raymond Camden, VP of Software Dev, Broadchoice Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306575 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
I am sure you know as well as I, that sometimes refactoring is just not an option... That's true, although with either CFCs or includes there are easy ways to divide the file up into multiple without actually refactoring them and take just a few minutes. cfif b...1000 lines of codecfelse...1000 lines of code/cfif becomes cfif bcfinclude template=1000lines.cfm cfelsecfinclude template=1000lines2.cfm/cfif Or in a CFC cfcomponent extends=thing 2000 lines ... /cfcomponent becomes cfcomponent extends=thing 1000 lines ... /cfcomponent cfcomponent extends=1000lines another 1000 lines... /cfcomponent Inelegant though it may be, it's not very time consuming. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306673 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Tom Chiverton said: On Sunday 01 Jun 2008, Aaron Rouse wrote: How do you know with 100% certainty that some other editor is not going to change the code on you in some odd ball case? DW mangles my code (I've seen it do it, years ago). Eclipse, in many years of using it, has never mangled my code. So just on the balance of probability, Eclipse wins. Many years ago I had A file mangled by dreamweaver and then recovered it from a backup and lost a few minutes of work and stopped using that version of Dreamweaver. A couple years ago, about the time that the cfeclipse project was started, there was an alternative Eclipse-based CF-ide project created by someone else. For a brief period they seemed to be in faily stiff competition. This was at the time before many people had adopted it. And at the time I decided to try out the other one (not CFE, but still eclipse-based - don't remember the name offhand). During installation, it asked where your working file set was located. I told it where to find my working files and viola! It torched not just A file, but rather EVERY file in my project (which had to be recovered from backup). Today, after several years of using more recent versions of Dreamweaver (and 6 months of a newer version of Eclipse), I've not seen a single file damaged. So for myself, just on the balance of probability, Dreamweaver wins. That's the problem with availability heuristics. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306674 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Sunday 01 Jun 2008, s. isaac dealey wrote: the unlikely event that Dreamweaver did corrupt a file, recovery is pretty simple. *When you notice*. Given what I've seen, I wouldn't put not noticing down as being particularly likely. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306675 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Unless someone tells me the code view doesn't change code - I will never run DW. Period. I believe someone earlier in the thread said that it was indeed fixed, but who would want to use an editor w/o knowing if it will muck with your code?? The problem with the XML's entities is now fixed in CS 4. But, as I demonstrated earlier in this thread with the img example, DW indeed changes your code *by design*, no matter if you use the WYSIWYG tools or not. While the chances of code corruption is very marginal, especially using the most recent versions, you better be aware of the implications. Massimo Foti, web-programmer for hire Tools for ColdFusion, JavaScript and Dreamweaver: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306529 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
I think Massimo's point a msg ok makes a good point. You are right - no program is w/o bugs. But I'd rather avoid the bugs I know about. Anyway, this is just my personal opinion now. On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, but if you KNOW that there is a 0.01% chance of DW messing with your code, that wouldn't worry you? I can just imagine the hours wasted trying to figure out why somehting isn't working and it turns out to be the editor messing with the file. -- === Raymond Camden, VP of Software Dev, Broadchoice Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306534 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Ok, but if you KNOW that there is a 0.01% chance of DW messing with your code, that wouldn't worry you? I can just imagine the hours wasted trying to figure out why somehting isn't working and it turns out to be the editor messing with the file. Sorry - even if it is 1 in a 1000, or 1 in 1, I'd refrain from using DW. Well 2 things... First I use SVN to manage all my code changes, so in the unlikely event that Dreamweaver did corrupt a file, recovery is pretty simple. Secondly, the odds of file corruption via Dreamweaver are only very slightly greater than the odds of file corruption due to hardware failure. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306537 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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How do you know with 100% certainty that some other editor is not going to change the code on you in some odd ball case? I honestly think I have had Notepad, if it was not this then it was some built-in editor on this Mac, change a display character on me before, should I ban that from use and label it as some horrific program because it could not render some oddball scenario correctly and when I made changes to the file and saved it then I unknowingly just saved its mistake. Notpad has an odd relationship to line-feeds and carriage returns -- at least in my experience... If I copy something from notepad to paste into an html textarea, then the pasted text contains all sorts of hard returns where it shouldn't. It's similarly unable to understand the carriage returns inserted into documents on Macs, so when you open those you get one big mass of text with no returns at all. I was really frustrated when I commented to Sean Corfield that a readme for something he distributed was all horqued up, only to have someone else point out to me that Wordpad would read it properly. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306538 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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So the bugs that you have been made known about, you do in fact use those specific syntaxes in XML? On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Massimo's point a msg ok makes a good point. You are right - no program is w/o bugs. But I'd rather avoid the bugs I know about. Anyway, this is just my personal opinion now. On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, but if you KNOW that there is a 0.01% chance of DW messing with your code, that wouldn't worry you? I can just imagine the hours wasted trying to figure out why somehting isn't working and it turns out to be the editor messing with the file. -- === Raymond Camden, VP of Software Dev, Broadchoice Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306544 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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It's similarly unable to understand the carriage returns inserted into documents on Macs, so when you open those you get one big mass of text with no returns at all. To be accurate, it understands those carriage returns just fine. What it doesn't understand is that, on a Mac, a carriage return is used alone to represent a new line. On Windows, the sequence of a carriage return and a line feed are needed to represent a new line. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306547 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
It starts off as two double quotes next to one another, DW changes it to one single double quote. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Eric Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't do a lot of xml so I guess I never saw anything like that. Is that just 1 double quote or 2 single quotes? If it is single quotes, you may have something (might even be a default) for xml files that changes that in accordance with some xml standard. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:16 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*Massimo(sp?) gave an example that I believe others were able to repeat /*where /*DW rewrites and XML file. I have seen DW do this for one of ours, here is /*what the files have prior to opening them: /* /*StyleSearch/StyleSearch /* /*When opened up in DW the display shows this instead: /* /*StyleSearch/StyleSearch /* /*If you make some change in the file then save it, you unknowingly have /*saved /*it with that change but you quickly find out because I frame work throws /*an /*error on that. I just tested it in DW 8 and it happened as I explained. /* /*On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Eric Roberts ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306496 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
The only thing I had in CFEclipse that I'd like to see in Dreamweaver is the ability to get a list of methods in a CFC Available since 3 years on my website :-) http://www.massimocorner.com/dreamweaver/coldfusion/cf_function_nav.mxp Thanks Massimo! Exactly what I was looking for. :) -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306502 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
That was back when DW was a design tool and didn't have the code view. It also had the horrible Mac disembodied windows. We also were not happy with the first version of it after MM dropped CfStudio. It has improved greatly along the road to 8. I still wish they would make a version of it without the wysiwyg part. That would be awesome. Eric Yeah, I know I wasn't happy with DW at the time they dropped CFS. These days it's the most productive way for me to work, in spite of still being imperfect in several ways like the wysiwyg popping open on me. (Which I may have just fixed thanks to somebody here making me doulbe-check my prefs - doh!) Personally I'm agnostic about the separate windows thing... I wasn't enthused about the fact that GIMP had them, but it wasn't a turn off for me either. What bugs me about GIMP is that the rest of its interface is really unintuitive and challenging to learn. Someone the other day mentioned to me the notion of a keyboard shortcut for send to back in Unix versions instead of the Windows alt+tab bring to front as being a better way of handling windowed interfaces and making the separate windows a lot more sensible. I'd actually like to see that implemented on Windows -- at least on hearing it, I thought it did sound like a good design. But it's nowhere near compelling enough for me to start looking for a Unix version I can install on one of my machines. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306505 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
DW7 was better and DW8 was really nice...though as Ray pointed out...there was no SVN integration, which sucked. There's a public beta of DW 9 out now, with some nice enhancements. A work saving feature for me is a related files panel that clearly shows any includes, imported files, blah, blah associated with the file you're working on - with one click access to open and toy with them too. Grab it and let Adobe know what you think... ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306506 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
I guess I assumed it was 7... eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Massimo Foti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:27 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /* DW7 was better and DW8 was really nice... /* /*Ehmm... DW 7 actually never was :-) /*They skipped that release number in order to align it to Flash. There was /*never such a thing as DW 7. /* /*Massimo /* /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306507 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
Yeah, but until 5, I really wouldn't call it code view... /*-Original Message- /*From: Massimo Foti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:30 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /* That was back when DW was a design tool and didn't have the code view. /* /*DW has a code view since release 1, back in 1997. It was vastly improved /*in /*DW 4, since 2000, before the Allaire aquisition. /* /*Massimo /* /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306508 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Basically, it seems my choices come down to something like this; HOMESITE PROS: sturdy and reliable CONS: not being updated ECLIPSE PROS: free, lots of good features, nice functions for CF CONS: buggy, doesn't handle large files, even critical bugs seem to take a LONG time to get fixed APTANA PROS: free, very similar to Eclipse + option not to use working sets CONS: same as for Eclipse DREAMWEAVER PROS: fast, similar to HomeSite in many ways CONS: a bit steep on price, doesn't have the many nice feature of Eclipse For the moment, it seems I might end up using Eclipse for most of my work and HomeSite for the large files (until I may eventually have time to split them up). I am not at all happy about that solution, as I would really prefer using the same editor all the time and pouring all my energy into customizing and optimizing that particular editor. If anyone from the Eclipse-gang is reading this - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE fix the issue with the large files, which has been reported as a bug about 2 years ago... ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306509 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
The separate windows thing really bugged me...but then again I really dislike Macs too. It's one of the things I hate about gimp too, but unfortunately I am forced to use that. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 11:19 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /* That was back when DW was a design tool and didn't have the code view. /*It /* also had the horrible Mac disembodied windows. We also were not happy /*with /* the first version of it after MM dropped CfStudio. It has improved /*greatly /* along the road to 8. I still wish they would make a version of it /*without /* the wysiwyg part. That would be awesome. /* /* Eric /* /*Yeah, I know I wasn't happy with DW at the time they dropped CFS. These /*days it's the most productive way for me to work, in spite of still /*being imperfect in several ways like the wysiwyg popping open on me. /*(Which /*I may have just fixed thanks to somebody here making me doulbe-check my /*prefs - doh!) /* /*Personally I'm agnostic about the separate windows thing... I wasn't /*enthused about the fact that GIMP had them, but it wasn't a turn off for /*me either. What bugs me about GIMP is that the rest of its interface is /*really unintuitive and challenging to learn. Someone the other day /*mentioned to me the notion of a keyboard shortcut for send to back in /*Unix versions instead of the Windows alt+tab bring to front as being a /*better way of handling windowed interfaces and making the separate /*windows a lot more sensible. I'd actually like to see that implemented /*on Windows -- at least on hearing it, I thought it did sound like a good /*design. But it's nowhere near compelling enough for me to start looking /*for a Unix version I can install on one of my machines. /* /*-- /*s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch /* isn't it time for a change? /* ph: 617.365.5732 /* /*http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog /* /* /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306512 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Eric Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The separate windows thing really bugged me...but then again I really dislike Macs too. It's one of the things I hate about gimp too, but unfortunately I am forced to use that. DW has had a docked, full MDI since the MX2004 release. It hasn't been floating windows since version 4. -- Kay Smoljak business: www.cleverstarfish.com coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com personal: enterthegoatlady.com | heapsbad.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306519 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
Yeah...and that was a major improvement. The separate windows kept me from using DW prior to that. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Kay Smoljak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:52 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Eric Roberts /*[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /* The separate windows thing really bugged me...but then again I really /* dislike Macs too. It's one of the things I hate about gimp too, but /* unfortunately I am forced to use that. /* /*DW has had a docked, full MDI since the MX2004 release. It hasn't been /*floating windows since version 4. /* /*-- /*Kay Smoljak /*business: www.cleverstarfish.com /*coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com /*personal: enterthegoatlady.com | heapsbad.com /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306520 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless someone tells me the code view doesn't change code - I will never run DW. Period. I believe someone earlier in the thread said that it was indeed fixed, but who would want to use an editor w/o knowing if it will muck with your code?? I've never had DW change my code once I've set all the options properly. I work mostly in Fusebox 4/5. Most of the problems reported seem to be to do with complex XML. *shrugs* -- Kay Smoljak business: www.cleverstarfish.com coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com personal: enterthegoatlady.com | heapsbad.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306522 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
How do you know with 100% certainty that some other editor is not going to change the code on you in some odd ball case? I honestly think I have had Notepad, if it was not this then it was some built-in editor on this Mac, change a display character on me before, should I ban that from use and label it as some horrific program because it could not render some oddball scenario correctly and when I made changes to the file and saved it then I unknowingly just saved its mistake. On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, but if you KNOW that there is a 0.01% chance of DW messing with your code, that wouldn't worry you? I can just imagine the hours wasted trying to figure out why somehting isn't working and it turns out to be the editor messing with the file. Sorry - even if it is 1 in a 1000, or 1 in 1, I'd refrain from using DW. On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless someone tells me the code view doesn't change code - I will never run DW. Period. I believe someone earlier in the thread said that it was indeed fixed, but who would want to use an editor w/o knowing if it will muck with your code?? I've never had DW change my code once I've set all the options properly. I work mostly in Fusebox 4/5. Most of the problems reported seem to be to do with complex XML. *shrugs* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306526 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
My problem with it appears to have been fixed in CS3 and is not repeatable in CS4. And as I pointed out before my problem is so insanely rare to happen to us that it is damn near not worth even mentioning. On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Les Mizzell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grab it and let Adobe know what you think... Unless someone tells me the code view doesn't change code - I will never run DW. Period. I believe someone earlier in the thread said that it was indeed fixed, but who would want to use an editor w/o knowing if it will muck with your code?? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306523 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Ok, but if you KNOW that there is a 0.01% chance of DW messing with your code, that wouldn't worry you? I can just imagine the hours wasted trying to figure out why somehting isn't working and it turns out to be the editor messing with the file. Sorry - even if it is 1 in a 1000, or 1 in 1, I'd refrain from using DW. On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless someone tells me the code view doesn't change code - I will never run DW. Period. I believe someone earlier in the thread said that it was indeed fixed, but who would want to use an editor w/o knowing if it will muck with your code?? I've never had DW change my code once I've set all the options properly. I work mostly in Fusebox 4/5. Most of the problems reported seem to be to do with complex XML. *shrugs* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306525 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Les Mizzell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grab it and let Adobe know what you think... Unless someone tells me the code view doesn't change code - I will never run DW. Period. I believe someone earlier in the thread said that it was indeed fixed, but who would want to use an editor w/o knowing if it will muck with your code?? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306521 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
Not really. In the 4 or 5 years (or however many it is) That DW because MM's IDE of choice for CF, I never had a problem that didn't involve the WYSIWYG interface. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 10:19 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*Ok, but if you KNOW that there is a 0.01% chance of DW messing with /*your code, that wouldn't worry you? I can just imagine the hours /*wasted trying to figure out why somehting isn't working and it turns /*out to be the editor messing with the file. /* /*Sorry - even if it is 1 in a 1000, or 1 in 1, I'd refrain from using /*DW. /* /*On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] /*wrote: /* On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] /*wrote: /* Unless someone tells me the code view doesn't change code - I will /* never run DW. Period. I believe someone earlier in the thread said /* that it was indeed fixed, but who would want to use an editor w/o /* knowing if it will muck with your code?? /* /* I've never had DW change my code once I've set all the options properly. /* I work mostly in Fusebox 4/5. Most of the problems reported seem to be /* to do with complex XML. /* *shrugs* /* /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306527 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Yes, but if we ignore that it happens with very specific things and just hound and hound on the fact that it happens then it is more fuel to the fire against DW. On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless someone tells me the code view doesn't change code - I will never run DW. Period. I believe someone earlier in the thread said that it was indeed fixed, but who would want to use an editor w/o knowing if it will muck with your code?? I've never had DW change my code once I've set all the options properly. I work mostly in Fusebox 4/5. Most of the problems reported seem to be to do with complex XML. *shrugs* -- Kay Smoljak business: www.cleverstarfish.com coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com personal: enterthegoatlady.com | heapsbad.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306524 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, but if you KNOW that there is a 0.01% chance of DW messing with your code, that wouldn't worry you? I can just imagine the hours wasted trying to figure out why somehting isn't working and it turns out to be the editor messing with the file. Sorry - even if it is 1 in a 1000, or 1 in 1, I'd refrain from using DW. Well, the last time I used ColdFusion Studio it started overwriting open files with other files of the same name (i.e. all my open index.cfm from different folders files ended up with the same contents after uploading). There is no program in the world without bugs. I happen to find that the productivity boosts I get from DW outweigh the 0.1% chance of something bad happening. -- Kay Smoljak business: www.cleverstarfish.com coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com personal: enterthegoatlady.com | heapsbad.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306528 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Thursday 29 May 2008, Raymond Camden wrote: Or do you mean DW in general? Yeah, wasn't clear, sorry :-) I've not played with the beta (doesn't run on Linux) but SVN is 'just another' RCS system, it's not 'code oriented' as such - it's 'file oriented' as much as anything. As Flex Builder / CFEclipse has SVN support too, and much better 'coders IDE' features (even though it's missing big hit things like full re-factoring support/insight) I can't see much that would make me switch, even if I could. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306323 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Thursday 29 May 2008, Gerald Guido wrote: I am one behind: 1.6.0_05. You think it would make a diff? I'm actually using the beta (1.6.0_10-beta) day to day, and found it faster than 0_06 was. They've put effort into improving startup performance, for instance. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306324 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
All my contractors have to be CFEclipse using, Meat eatin' and Beer Drinking mad persons. Its part of the contract. If they have tattoo's they get a bonus. MD On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:30 AM, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect it's actually a fair observation, unfortunately. It might have prompted the bizarre requirement I noted in a recent contract opportunity on CF-Jobs; the advertisement specified that the remote contractor must use CFEclipse. It's amazing that a choice of IDE could affect a teleworking contract. Let's hope no-one finds out I'm vegan! On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Gerald Guido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I make no assumptions. I made an observation. My wording was not intended to offend, if I did my apologies. -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306326 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Josh Nathanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm right there with you Kay. People are afraid to admit they use DW because of the Eclipse gestapo. Absolutely - I have tried and tried to like Eclipse, but it's too project-based for me, and I miss DW's code completion. My copy is very heavily customised. WYSIWYG would be useless for me anyway - we work in code blocks and includes, and even the CSS doesn't show up because of that. -- mac jordan www.webhorus.net www.nibblous.com www.kestrel.org www.jordan-cats.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306327 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Friday 30 May 2008, James Holmes wrote: It's amazing that a choice of IDE could affect a teleworking contract. In a remote-team environment, I think it's fairly important everyone has the same tools (and the same problems with them). -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306329 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
I'd want to look at code before assuming that it was built with a wizard. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vill build a IDE that will last two zounsand yearz! Ehem... no.. its the fact that if you made the effort to know CFEclipse, in comparison to the WYSIWYG coders, you at least know they can type code and not just do it using Dreamweavers tutorials/helpers etc. Its a quick discrimination from the junk. Hey, I can code ASP with Dreamweaver. Would you hire me as an ASP developer because of that? -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306330 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
James I get a number of CF's through, people claim many things on that nice bit of fiction that is called a CV. When I get to choosing people for interviews, people with Eclipse, Frameworks, version control etc etc will be getting through (well, not all the time) but at least it gives me an idea where their head is at for senior roles. Discrimination? NAY! Its like reading that they have used Access compared to MS SQL to me. MD On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:01 AM, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd want to look at code before assuming that it was built with a wizard. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vill build a IDE that will last two zounsand yearz! Ehem... no.. its the fact that if you made the effort to know CFEclipse, in comparison to the WYSIWYG coders, you at least know they can type code and not just do it using Dreamweavers tutorials/helpers etc. Its a quick discrimination from the junk. Hey, I can code ASP with Dreamweaver. Would you hire me as an ASP developer because of that? -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306333 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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That should have been CV's rather than CF's ;) On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James I get a number of CF's through, people claim many things on that nice bit of fiction that is called a CV. When I get to choosing people for interviews, people with Eclipse, Frameworks, version control etc etc will be getting through (well, not all the time) but at least it gives me an idea where their head is at for senior roles. Discrimination? NAY! Its like reading that they have used Access compared to MS SQL to me. MD On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:01 AM, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd want to look at code before assuming that it was built with a wizard. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vill build a IDE that will last two zounsand yearz! Ehem... no.. its the fact that if you made the effort to know CFEclipse, in comparison to the WYSIWYG coders, you at least know they can type code and not just do it using Dreamweavers tutorials/helpers etc. Its a quick discrimination from the junk. Hey, I can code ASP with Dreamweaver. Would you hire me as an ASP developer because of that? -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306334 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Friday 30 May 2008, Mark Drew wrote: CFEclipse, in comparison to the WYSIWYG coders, you at least know they can type code and not just do it using Dreamweavers tutorials/helpers I assume this is why most places set a practical programing test as part of the interview. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306332 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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When was the last time you looked at Dreamweaver's code view? On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its like reading that they have used Access compared to MS SQL to me. -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306335 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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On Friday 30 May 2008, Gerald Guido wrote: because of the Eclipse gestapo. I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. Oh, no, everyone who uses Eclipse is a member of the Thousand Year Riche. Oh yes. Let me just check my suitcase for Scotch on the Rocks Laptop: check Wash bag: check Sharp suit: check Long coat (black): check SS cap: check -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306331 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James I get a number of CF's through, people claim many things on that nice bit of fiction that is called a CV. When I get to choosing people for interviews, people with Eclipse, Frameworks, version control etc etc will be getting through (well, not all the time) but at least it gives me an idea where their head is at for senior roles. Discrimination? NAY! Its like reading that they have used Access compared to MS SQL to me. My word - I hope I never have to apply for a job to someone as blinkered as you. -- mac jordan www.webhorus.net www.nibblous.com www.kestrel.org www.jordan-cats.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306336 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
I vill build a IDE that will last two zounsand yearz! Ehem... no.. its the fact that if you made the effort to know CFEclipse, in comparison to the WYSIWYG coders, you at least know they can type code and not just do it using Dreamweavers tutorials/helpers etc. Its a quick discrimination from the junk. Hey, I can code ASP with Dreamweaver. Would you hire me as an ASP developer because of that? MD On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Gerald Guido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because of the Eclipse gestapo. I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. -- The important thing in science is not so much to obtain new facts as to discover new ways of thinking about them. - Sir William Bragg ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306328 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
I have used Dreamweaver a lot. And I have looked at the code view and used it (not just tried it, Its the fourth tool in my armoury of editors) so I am not belittling the tool at all. And no, I am not blinkered, I am NOT saying that if you have Dreamweaver you will not get the job, it depends on a lot of other things that are on the CV. I think I am very good at spotting good talent and dont really care what you code in. But from EXPERIENCE of reading these CV's and interviewing people that is what I have found. Now, there are many exceptions to the rule obviously, and have interviewed many people who's tool of choice is CFStudio or HomeSite and things are different. Depends on the job that people are going for of course. Also, I should point out that even our HTML ers use Aptana (an Eclipse product) as well as Dreamweaver. I prefer to have as many tools available to me, and know what their strengths and weaknesses are. I am NOT blinkered, and take objection to the comment MD On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:24 AM, mac jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James I get a number of CF's through, people claim many things on that nice bit of fiction that is called a CV. When I get to choosing people for interviews, people with Eclipse, Frameworks, version control etc etc will be getting through (well, not all the time) but at least it gives me an idea where their head is at for senior roles. Discrimination? NAY! Its like reading that they have used Access compared to MS SQL to me. My word - I hope I never have to apply for a job to someone as blinkered as you. -- mac jordan www.webhorus.net www.nibblous.com www.kestrel.org www.jordan-cats.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306340 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
The project based thing does bug me about me Eclipse as well. I think the bug for Let me double click on a file and open it in Eclipse is something like 10 years old (Ok, maybe not 10...) I get that projects are better, but not being able to quickly edit a file just seems... silly. Now that being said - don't forget you have multiple options to work with files not in projects. In CFE you have the File Explorer. In the CF bits (remember the CF Extensions come from Adobe, CFE is another project) you have RDS. I think Aptana has a File Browser as well. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:54 AM, mac jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Josh Nathanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm right there with you Kay. People are afraid to admit they use DW because of the Eclipse gestapo. Absolutely - I have tried and tried to like Eclipse, but it's too project-based for me, and I miss DW's code completion. My copy is very heavily customised. WYSIWYG would be useless for me anyway - we work in code blocks and includes, and even the CSS doesn't show up because of that. -- mac jordan ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306341 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Just so I can continue to follow this little tit for tat... What is blinkered? -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? I have used Dreamweaver a lot. And I have looked at the code view and used it (not just tried it, Its the fourth tool in my armoury of editors) so I am not belittling the tool at all. And no, I am not blinkered, I am NOT saying that if you have Dreamweaver you will not get the job, it depends on a lot of other things that are on the CV. I think I am very good at spotting good talent and dont really care what you code in. But from EXPERIENCE of reading these CV's and interviewing people that is what I have found. Now, there are many exceptions to the rule obviously, and have interviewed many people who's tool of choice is CFStudio or HomeSite and things are different. Depends on the job that people are going for of course. Also, I should point out that even our HTML ers use Aptana (an Eclipse product) as well as Dreamweaver. I prefer to have as many tools available to me, and know what their strengths and weaknesses are. I am NOT blinkered, and take objection to the comment MD ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306342 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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All my contractors have to be CFEclipse using, Meat eatin' and Beer Drinking mad persons. Its part of the contract. If they have tattoo's they get a bonus. -- Ribeye, -- Baltica No. 9 -- Motorhead insignia ad the Obey Giant Star So, you hiring? G On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All my contractors have to be CFEclipse using, Meat eatin' and Beer Drinking mad persons. Its part of the contract. If they have tattoo's they get a bonus. MD On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:30 AM, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect it's actually a fair observation, unfortunately. It might have prompted the bizarre requirement I noted in a recent contract opportunity on CF-Jobs; the advertisement specified that the remote contractor must use CFEclipse. It's amazing that a choice of IDE could affect a teleworking contract. Let's hope no-one finds out I'm vegan! On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Gerald Guido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I make no assumptions. I made an observation. My wording was not intended to offend, if I did my apologies. -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306343 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Ah... shows how much I know. I didn't know there was a CS4 yet. :) -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? Did you try it with DW CS4? I assume all extensions for CS3 would work for CS4. I'd be willing to give DWCS4 another try if so. I need to play with the SVN integration a bit though. I'm curious if it supports file labels like Eclipse though. And right click ops to view history, etc. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Jason Durham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/downloads.html I was just able to download and install the extensions. It appears the new tags and functions are now supported with DW CS3. -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? Seriously - although I'm sure there is a good reason. This is just a beta though. I'm sure we've all memorized all 50 of the new image functions anyway. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously? CF8 has been out for over 6 months now. -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? I played with it. Doesn't really do anything for me. Not that I gave it a fair shake down though. DW just isn't for me. If you want code help though, don't use the new DW. It doesn't recognize CF8 tags yet. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Will Swain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will the built in SVN support in the new dreamweaver encourage people to use it for cf development I wonder? -- === Raymond Camden, VP of Software Dev, Broadchoice Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306344 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Rick... Don't encourage them Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 7:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Best CF editor? Just so I can continue to follow this little tit for tat... What is blinkered? -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? I have used Dreamweaver a lot. And I have looked at the code view and used it (not just tried it, Its the fourth tool in my armoury of editors) so I am not belittling the tool at all. And no, I am not blinkered, I am NOT saying that if you have Dreamweaver you will not get the job, it depends on a lot of other things that are on the CV. I think I am very good at spotting good talent and dont really care what you code in. But from EXPERIENCE of reading these CV's and interviewing people that is what I have found. Now, there are many exceptions to the rule obviously, and have interviewed many people who's tool of choice is CFStudio or HomeSite and things are different. Depends on the job that people are going for of course. Also, I should point out that even our HTML ers use Aptana (an Eclipse product) as well as Dreamweaver. I prefer to have as many tools available to me, and know what their strengths and weaknesses are. I am NOT blinkered, and take objection to the comment MD ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306345 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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In ye olde times, and even now I presume, horses were given blinkers, these little leather things so they wouldnt look to the sides and could only look in one direction, the one you were pulling their heads in. Kinda kinky in an SM thing I guess, but meaning that I can only see in one way, being blind to all the myriad of options. Of course, being a developer as well as the lead developer for CFEclipse, I do get to speak to a *LOT* of developers. The most common thing I get at the bar from other developers are commentaries, dialogs and monologues about Editors. So yeah, I know a thing or two about Editors, I look at IN DETAIL how they implement features and what features they have. Hence I get a bit tetchy when someone calls me blinkered. MD On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just so I can continue to follow this little tit for tat... What is blinkered? -- Mark Drew Blog: http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mdrew ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306347 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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That was supposed to be *blinkered* - considering only a narrow point of view. I do agree there is alot of pressure from the uber-CFers to use Eclipse and I FINALLY caved in about 9 months ago after a few failed half-day attempts. I think the thing that put me over the edge was the Mylyn task-context stuff (it's great for multi-tasking). I had a real problem with the project-based approach being forced on you in CFE but I got over it. I am learning more about Dreamweaver from this thread. I'm tempted to give it a shot. Greg On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Greg Luce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: blindered - considering only a narrow point of view. You know those things horses wear on a track so they can only look straight ahead? Greg On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just so I can continue to follow this little tit for tat... What is blinkered? -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? I have used Dreamweaver a lot. And I have looked at the code view and used it (not just tried it, Its the fourth tool in my armoury of editors) so I am not belittling the tool at all. And no, I am not blinkered, I am NOT saying that if you have Dreamweaver you will not get the job, it depends on a lot of other things that are on the CV. I think I am very good at spotting good talent and dont really care what you code in. But from EXPERIENCE of reading these CV's and interviewing people that is what I have found. Now, there are many exceptions to the rule obviously, and have interviewed many people who's tool of choice is CFStudio or HomeSite and things are different. Depends on the job that people are going for of course. Also, I should point out that even our HTML ers use Aptana (an Eclipse product) as well as Dreamweaver. I prefer to have as many tools available to me, and know what their strengths and weaknesses are. I am NOT blinkered, and take objection to the comment MD ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306348 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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This is basically what bugs me about DW, it has this cloud around it that if someone uses it then they must be using wizards, tutorials/helpers, and/or WYSIWYG features. I have been using it for 4 years now and simply because the people I do the bulk of my work for, they use it and in that entire time I used a wizard/tutorial once during a lunch break just to see what it was like and never once opened up the WSYIWYG. Not one person in the entire group uses wizards or WYSIWYG features and actually I think a good portion of them do not even realize that those things are in DW. I remember a similar cloud being around Homesite vs CFStudio many years ago and getting into an argument with a friend who insisted that she needed an old version of CFStudio because, in her head, Homesite screws up code. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:56 AM, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vill build a IDE that will last two zounsand yearz! Ehem... no.. its the fact that if you made the effort to know CFEclipse, in comparison to the WYSIWYG coders, you at least know they can type code and not just do it using Dreamweavers tutorials/helpers etc. Its a quick discrimination from the junk. Hey, I can code ASP with Dreamweaver. Would you hire me as an ASP developer because of that? MD On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Gerald Guido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because of the Eclipse gestapo. I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. -- The important thing in science is not so much to obtain new facts as to discover new ways of thinking about them. - Sir William Bragg ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306349 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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It's the closest I come to viewing a soap opera... As the IDE Churns... -Original Message- From: Mark Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Best CF editor? Rick... Don't encourage them Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 7:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Best CF editor? Just so I can continue to follow this little tit for tat... What is blinkered? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306350 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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Gotcha... we call them blinders, I think...(not being an equestrian)... -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:07 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? In ye olde times, and even now I presume, horses were given blinkers, these little leather things so they wouldnt look to the sides and could only look in one direction, the one you were pulling their heads in. Kinda kinky in an SM thing I guess, but meaning that I can only see in one way, being blind to all the myriad of options. Of course, being a developer as well as the lead developer for CFEclipse, I do get to speak to a *LOT* of developers. The most common thing I get at the bar from other developers are commentaries, dialogs and monologues about Editors. So yeah, I know a thing or two about Editors, I look at IN DETAIL how they implement features and what features they have. Hence I get a bit tetchy when someone calls me blinkered. MD Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306347 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=17393.628.4 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1474 - Release Date: 5/30/2008 7:44 AM ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306351 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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I am learning more about Dreamweaver from this thread. I'm tempted to give it a shot. I am looking at the specks on the CS4 beta and it looks *tight*. I agree with Mark Drew. You should have many tools in your utility belt and know the strengths and weakness's of each. I really like CS3 *A lot* but I am stuck with DW MX (6) at work and I am not particularly fond of it. CS3 was a giant leap forward. I have a buddy that is a *gifted* UI developer (a cross browser CSS/XHTML/XML guru) and he swears by DW and MS Expression. I have done quite a bit of design and when I am doing GUI centric work DW is my tool of choice hands down. my $0.02 G On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Greg Luce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was supposed to be *blinkered* - considering only a narrow point of view. I do agree there is alot of pressure from the uber-CFers to use Eclipse and I FINALLY caved in about 9 months ago after a few failed half-day attempts. I think the thing that put me over the edge was the Mylyn task-context stuff (it's great for multi-tasking). I had a real problem with the project-based approach being forced on you in CFE but I got over it. I am learning more about Dreamweaver from this thread. I'm tempted to give it a shot. Greg On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Greg Luce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: blindered - considering only a narrow point of view. You know those things horses wear on a track so they can only look straight ahead? Greg On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just so I can continue to follow this little tit for tat... What is blinkered? -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? I have used Dreamweaver a lot. And I have looked at the code view and used it (not just tried it, Its the fourth tool in my armoury of editors) so I am not belittling the tool at all. And no, I am not blinkered, I am NOT saying that if you have Dreamweaver you will not get the job, it depends on a lot of other things that are on the CV. I think I am very good at spotting good talent and dont really care what you code in. But from EXPERIENCE of reading these CV's and interviewing people that is what I have found. Now, there are many exceptions to the rule obviously, and have interviewed many people who's tool of choice is CFStudio or HomeSite and things are different. Depends on the job that people are going for of course. Also, I should point out that even our HTML ers use Aptana (an Eclipse product) as well as Dreamweaver. I prefer to have as many tools available to me, and know what their strengths and weaknesses are. I am NOT blinkered, and take objection to the comment MD ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306352 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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On Friday 30 May 2008, Aaron Rouse wrote: and getting into an argument with a friend who insisted that she needed an old version of CFStudio because, in her head, Homesite screws up code. Even now (the design view of) DW does screw up your CFML, as attested in this very thread. (CF)Eclipse will never* do this behind your back. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306353 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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because of the Eclipse gestapo. I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. You know, I've never noticed that Eclipse is slow, especially on my MacBook. It certainly is a lot faster than dreamweaver, and the setup I use is fast MyEclipse and CFEclipse. MyEclipse give me all the database and xml features that others tout in one package, as well as server control (I use jboss and java a lot). ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306354 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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At a certain point, this conversation becomes very unproductive. All IDE's have their advantages and disadvantages--so which is better? Well, the answer doesn't really have an answer because all offer different ways of doing things, and each person has their own development needs. So really, to answer the question, just try out a few and go with what helps you do what you need to do in the most efficient and least-frustrating way possible. Whatever tool facilitates that is what is the best IDE, period. because of the Eclipse gestapo. I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. You know, I've never noticed that Eclipse is slow, especially on my MacBook. It certainly is a lot faster than dreamweaver, and the setup I use is fast MyEclipse and CFEclipse. MyEclipse give me all the database and xml features that others tout in one package, as well as server control (I use jboss and java a lot). ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306355 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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She did not use the design view and I never have used the design view, she had in her head that it just would change code out of the blue and probably from reading things online. In the 4 years I have used DW, it has never behind my back changed any code accept for one odd ball instance when editing an XML file with a very specific element name. But of course in the 4 years I have used it, I can not think of one single time I looked at the design view, it is just an option the software has that I never once have used. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 30 May 2008, Aaron Rouse wrote: and getting into an argument with a friend who insisted that she needed an old version of CFStudio because, in her head, Homesite screws up code. Even now (the design view of) DW does screw up your CFML, as attested in this very thread. (CF)Eclipse will never* do this behind your back. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306359 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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because of the Eclipse gestapo. I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. Ve haff vays off making you code. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306363 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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I think it's worth to let people know that avoid using DW's Design View doesn't make you save from code corruption. Most documented cases are caused by translators, unfortunately translators run before you load the document, and they do no matter if you are in Code view or Design View. Want to see DW's code corruption in action? Create an xml file containing this code, then open it in DW CS 3 or earlier (in Code View, there is no Design View for XML): ?xml version=1.0? !DOCTYPE galleries [ !ENTITY galleries SYSTEM http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/demos/gallery/galleries/galleries.xml; ] root galleries; /root As far as I know, this specific case is fixed in DW CS 4. Along the years DW has improved a lot on this area, but it's not 100% safe, it will never be. As for me, I use both DW and Ecplise, most of the time I have both of them opened at the same time, sometimes I open TopStyle too :-) Massimo Foti, web-programmer for hire Tools for ColdFusion, JavaScript and Dreamweaver: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306364 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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To save some of you the effort... I did this in CS3. After saving the file and reopening it, I saw this... ?xml version=1.0? !DOCTYPE galleries [ !ENTITY galleries SYSTEM http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/demos/gallery/galleries/galleri es.xml ] root galleriesgallerysitename/sitenamephotographer/photographerc ontactinfo/contactinfoemail/emailsecurity/security/gallery gallerysitename/sitenamephotographer/photographercontactinfo /contactinfoemail/emailsecurity/security/gallerygallerysit ename/sitenamephotographer/photographercontactinfo/contactinfo email/emailsecurity/security/gallery/galleries /root -Original Message- From: Massimo Foti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? I think it's worth to let people know that avoid using DW's Design View doesn't make you save from code corruption. Most documented cases are caused by translators, unfortunately translators run before you load the document, and they do no matter if you are in Code view or Design View. Want to see DW's code corruption in action? Create an xml file containing this code, then open it in DW CS 3 or earlier (in Code View, there is no Design View for XML): ?xml version=1.0? !DOCTYPE galleries [ !ENTITY galleries SYSTEM http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/demos/gallery/galleries/galleri es.xml ] root galleries; /root As far as I know, this specific case is fixed in DW CS 4. Along the years DW has improved a lot on this area, but it's not 100% safe, it will never be. As for me, I use both DW and Ecplise, most of the time I have both of them opened at the same time, sometimes I open TopStyle too :-) Massimo Foti, web-programmer for hire Tools for ColdFusion, JavaScript and Dreamweaver: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306365 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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Any second now someone is going to invoke Godwin's law. On Friday 30 May 2008, Gerald Guido wrote: because of the Eclipse gestapo. I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. Oh, no, everyone who uses Eclipse is a member of the Thousand Year Riche. Oh yes. Let me just check my suitcase for Scotch on the Rocks Laptop: check Wash bag: check Sharp suit: check Long coat (black): check SS cap: check -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306373 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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Any second now someone is going to invoke Godwin's law. Too late. Tom Chiverton broke out his SS cap early this morning. ;) G On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any second now someone is going to invoke Godwin's law. On Friday 30 May 2008, Gerald Guido wrote: because of the Eclipse gestapo. I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. Oh, no, everyone who uses Eclipse is a member of the Thousand Year Riche. Oh yes. Let me just check my suitcase for Scotch on the Rocks Laptop: check Wash bag: check Sharp suit: check Long coat (black): check SS cap: check -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306375 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Hello folks: I am a newbie with CFEclilpse. I installed it about a week ago and so far, I am loving it. :-) Like most open-source product though, there is a dizzing array of help information online, but most of them are for advanced stuff, whereas I am only looking for tips to get me started. Would anyone recommend a good online resource for CFEclipse, please? For example, how on earth can I do an Extended Search like the one you are able to do in HomeSite+, by specifying a folder to search in? Tracy Xia On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any second now someone is going to invoke Godwin's law. On Friday 30 May 2008, Gerald Guido wrote: because of the Eclipse gestapo. I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. Oh, no, everyone who uses Eclipse is a member of the Thousand Year Riche. Oh yes. Let me just check my suitcase for Scotch on the Rocks Laptop: check Wash bag: check Sharp suit: check Long coat (black): check SS cap: check -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306376 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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a good online resource for CFEclipse, please? This is a good place to start: http://www.dopefly.com/projects/cfeclipse.cfm -- The important thing in science is not so much to obtain new facts as to discover new ways of thinking about them. - Sir William Bragg ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306377 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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a good source of documentation is the wiki at http://trac.cfeclipse.org/cfeclipse/ you should also subscribe to the cfeclipse-users mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/cfeclipse-users extended searches can be done via CTRL-H and choosing a specific working set within which to search. which i suppose will raise the question of what's a working set? :) On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Qing Xia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello folks: I am a newbie with CFEclilpse. I installed it about a week ago and so far, I am loving it. :-) Like most open-source product though, there is a dizzing array of help information online, but most of them are for advanced stuff, whereas I am only looking for tips to get me started. Would anyone recommend a good online resource for CFEclipse, please? For example, how on earth can I do an Extended Search like the one you are able to do in HomeSite+, by specifying a folder to search in? Tracy Xia On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any second now someone is going to invoke Godwin's law. On Friday 30 May 2008, Gerald Guido wrote: because of the Eclipse gestapo. I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. Oh, no, everyone who uses Eclipse is a member of the Thousand Year Riche. Oh yes. Let me just check my suitcase for Scotch on the Rocks Laptop: check Wash bag: check Sharp suit: check Long coat (black): check SS cap: check -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306378 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
You can get good general help on Eclipse at http://www.eclipse.org/resources/ ~Brad -Original Message- From: Qing Xia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 11:09 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? Hello folks: I am a newbie with CFEclilpse. I installed it about a week ago and so far, I am loving it. :-) Like most open-source product though, there is a dizzing array of help information online, but most of them are for advanced stuff, whereas I am only looking for tips to get me started. Would anyone recommend a good online resource for CFEclipse, please? For example, how on earth can I do an Extended Search like the one you are able to do in HomeSite+, by specifying a folder to search in? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306379 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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The search functionality of Eclipse has always been something I felt was lacking. There was a thread on here a month or back where someone mentioned it had been changed finally, not sure if that change is in the current stable version or in one of the others. I did install Eclipse along with CFEclipse and a few other things just a couple weeks ago and do not recall the search page being different for me but I also can not recall if I have searched for anything in it since I only use that setup on one of my machines and not a whole lot. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Qing Xia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello folks: I am a newbie with CFEclilpse. I installed it about a week ago and so far, I am loving it. :-) Like most open-source product though, there is a dizzing array of help information online, but most of them are for advanced stuff, whereas I am only looking for tips to get me started. Would anyone recommend a good online resource for CFEclipse, please? For example, how on earth can I do an Extended Search like the one you are able to do in HomeSite+, by specifying a folder to search in? Tracy Xia On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any second now someone is going to invoke Godwin's law. On Friday 30 May 2008, Gerald Guido wrote: because of the Eclipse gestapo. I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. Oh, no, everyone who uses Eclipse is a member of the Thousand Year Riche. Oh yes. Let me just check my suitcase for Scotch on the Rocks Laptop: check Wash bag: check Sharp suit: check Long coat (black): check SS cap: check -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306380 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
which i suppose will raise the question of what's a working set? :) Problem solved: http://www.dopefly.com/techblog/entry.cfm?entry=129 BTW Nathan Strutz has TONS of CFEclipse stuff on his site. Lots of good resources: http://www.dopefly.com/techblog/?bycategory=5 -- The important thing in science is not so much to obtain new facts as to discover new ways of thinking about them. - Sir William Bragg ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306381 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I was asked to define a work space the first time I started CFEclipse,, which I have done and it is my entire code application folder (consisting of several different CF applications). But work set? Have not done that. I am going to look it up in the online references you have so graciously provided. Thanks guys! :-) On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a good source of documentation is the wiki at http://trac.cfeclipse.org/cfeclipse/ you should also subscribe to the cfeclipse-users mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/cfeclipse-users extended searches can be done via CTRL-H and choosing a specific working set within which to search. which i suppose will raise the question of what's a working set? :) On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Qing Xia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello folks: I am a newbie with CFEclilpse. I installed it about a week ago and so far, I am loving it. :-) Like most open-source product though, there is a dizzing array of help information online, but most of them are for advanced stuff, whereas I am only looking for tips to get me started. Would anyone recommend a good online resource for CFEclipse, please? For example, how on earth can I do an Extended Search like the one you are able to do in HomeSite+, by specifying a folder to search in? Tracy Xia On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any second now someone is going to invoke Godwin's law. On Friday 30 May 2008, Gerald Guido wrote: because of the Eclipse gestapo. I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. Oh, no, everyone who uses Eclipse is a member of the Thousand Year Riche. Oh yes. Let me just check my suitcase for Scotch on the Rocks Laptop: check Wash bag: check Sharp suit: check Long coat (black): check SS cap: check -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306382 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
CTRL + H brings up the search all selected projects dialog box. -Original Message- From: Qing Xia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 11:09 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? Hello folks: I am a newbie with CFEclilpse. I installed it about a week ago and so far, I am loving it. :-) Like most open-source product though, there is a dizzing array of help information online, but most of them are for advanced stuff, whereas I am only looking for tips to get me started. Would anyone recommend a good online resource for CFEclipse, please? For example, how on earth can I do an Extended Search like the one you are able to do in HomeSite+, by specifying a folder to search in? Tracy Xia On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any second now someone is going to invoke Godwin's law. On Friday 30 May 2008, Gerald Guido wrote: because of the Eclipse gestapo. I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. Oh, no, everyone who uses Eclipse is a member of the Thousand Year Riche. Oh yes. Let me just check my suitcase for Scotch on the Rocks Laptop: check Wash bag: check Sharp suit: check Long coat (black): check SS cap: check -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306383 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Eclipse help from Andy Matthews...Whodathunkit! ;) (says the guy sitting next to him in the office...) Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com Andy Matthews wrote: CTRL + H brings up the search all selected projects dialog box. -Original Message- From: Qing Xia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 11:09 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? Hello folks: I am a newbie with CFEclilpse. I installed it about a week ago and so far, I am loving it. :-) Like most open-source product though, there is a dizzing array of help information online, but most of them are for advanced stuff, whereas I am only looking for tips to get me started. Would anyone recommend a good online resource for CFEclipse, please? For example, how on earth can I do an Extended Search like the one you are able to do in HomeSite+, by specifying a folder to search in? Tracy Xia On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any second now someone is going to invoke Godwin's law. On Friday 30 May 2008, Gerald Guido wrote: because of the Eclipse gestapo. I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. Oh, no, everyone who uses Eclipse is a member of the Thousand Year Riche. Oh yes. Let me just check my suitcase for Scotch on the Rocks Laptop: check Wash bag: check Sharp suit: check Long coat (black): check SS cap: check -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306384 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Wow. You know, I like to tease DW, but I know it's a decent enough editor. It's just not my editor. But are you telling me - and I want to be clear here - that there is NO way to fix this? That you CANNOT guarantee that DW won't change your code? To me - that is unacceptable. I'd ban DW from my environment. I can't believe an editor would even exist that would do this. I mean I knew DW had issues with code in the past, but Code View was supposed to leave stuff alone. Seriously - can someone stand up for this and say that changing a user's XML is good? Can anyone defend this? On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Massimo Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's worth to let people know that avoid using DW's Design View doesn't make you save from code corruption. Most documented cases are caused by translators, unfortunately translators run before you load the document, and they do no matter if you are in Code view or Design View. Want to see DW's code corruption in action? Create an xml file containing this code, then open it in DW CS 3 or earlier (in Code View, there is no Design View for XML): -- === Raymond Camden, VP of Software Dev, Broadchoice Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306386 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
I could be wrong but I think he wants to be able to make the search just search in a folder that is within a project but not the other folders in that project. I am sure it can be done via the ctrl-h search screen, although looking at it right now I do not see how it is done but probably just lack of experience with it on my part. How do you run a search that only searches currently opened files? On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CTRL + H brings up the search all selected projects dialog box. -Original Message- From: Qing Xia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 11:09 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? Hello folks: I am a newbie with CFEclilpse. I installed it about a week ago and so far, I am loving it. :-) Like most open-source product though, there is a dizzing array of help information online, but most of them are for advanced stuff, whereas I am only looking for tips to get me started. Would anyone recommend a good online resource for CFEclipse, please? For example, how on earth can I do an Extended Search like the one you are able to do in HomeSite+, by specifying a folder to search in? Tracy Xia On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any second now someone is going to invoke Godwin's law. On Friday 30 May 2008, Gerald Guido wrote: because of the Eclipse gestapo. I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. Oh, no, everyone who uses Eclipse is a member of the Thousand Year Riche. Oh yes. Let me just check my suitcase for Scotch on the Rocks Laptop: check Wash bag: check Sharp suit: check Long coat (black): check SS cap: check -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306385 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
Eh... It's only of the only good things ABOUT Eclipse. :) -Original Message- From: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 11:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? Eclipse help from Andy Matthews...Whodathunkit! ;) (says the guy sitting next to him in the office...) Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com Andy Matthews wrote: CTRL + H brings up the search all selected projects dialog box. -Original Message- From: Qing Xia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 11:09 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? Hello folks: I am a newbie with CFEclilpse. I installed it about a week ago and so far, I am loving it. :-) Like most open-source product though, there is a dizzing array of help information online, but most of them are for advanced stuff, whereas I am only looking for tips to get me started. Would anyone recommend a good online resource for CFEclipse, please? For example, how on earth can I do an Extended Search like the one you are able to do in HomeSite+, by specifying a folder to search in? Tracy Xia On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any second now someone is going to invoke Godwin's law. On Friday 30 May 2008, Gerald Guido wrote: because of the Eclipse gestapo. I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. Oh, no, everyone who uses Eclipse is a member of the Thousand Year Riche. Oh yes. Let me just check my suitcase for Scotch on the Rocks Laptop: check Wash bag: check Sharp suit: check Long coat (black): check SS cap: check -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306387 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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What are some examples of it doing it to non-xml documents? I actually have been getting to the point of not opening XML documents in DW due to the one odd-ball example where it changes things for me. My odd-ball example I think effects just 2 or 3 files out of all of our files in any of our projects. But that is the very reason I just do not do any XML files in DW, because I will forget which 2 or 3 files have the issue. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Massimo Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's worth to let people know that avoid using DW's Design View doesn't make you save from code corruption. Most documented cases are caused by translators, unfortunately translators run before you load the document, and they do no matter if you are in Code view or Design View. Want to see DW's code corruption in action? Create an xml file containing this code, then open it in DW CS 3 or earlier (in Code View, there is no Design View for XML): ?xml version=1.0? !DOCTYPE galleries [ !ENTITY galleries SYSTEM http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/demos/gallery/galleries/galleries.xml ] root galleries; /root As far as I know, this specific case is fixed in DW CS 4. Along the years DW has improved a lot on this area, but it's not 100% safe, it will never be. As for me, I use both DW and Ecplise, most of the time I have both of them opened at the same time, sometimes I open TopStyle too :-) Massimo Foti, web-programmer for hire Tools for ColdFusion, JavaScript and Dreamweaver: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306388 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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What are some examples of it doing it to non-xml documents? The CF-related examples I was aware of were all fixed in the last 3-4 releases. But I am not willing to bet there are more I am just not aware of. I hope there is no need for me to explain I have no anti-DW bias. I would imagine my curriculum speaks for me. I am just realistic. Massimo Foti, web-programmer for hire Tools for ColdFusion, JavaScript and Dreamweaver: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306392 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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But are you telling me - and I want to be clear here - that there is NO way to fix this? That you CANNOT guarantee that DW won't change your code? No, there is no way. It's the nature of the beast. DW automatically changes code for some reasonable reasons. For example, you open a new page, then add an image tag (either from code or design view) and point DW to a file. It creates something like: img src=file:///C|/mydir/mypage.jpg / Then, as soon you save the page, DW fixes the path, making it relative to the location where you saved the page. The vast majority of times, those fixes work very well, on a few occasions, they don't. Unfortunately MM first, then Adobe, never added an option to never touch by code, that would completely disable all these automatic functionality. No matter how much people like me or Tom Muck lobbied for it. Translators have been another problematic area too, yet they are critical to the way DW works, and they kick in both in Code or Design View. I mean I knew DW had issues with code in the past, but Code View was supposed to leave stuff alone. Code View is safe it's just urban legend, I keep saying this since many, many years (check list's archive). Seems like people don't believe me, if I am considered a DW expert... Don't get me wrong, I am not saying DW is crap, I am just saying you better be aware of its shortcoming. As I said, I use both DW and Eclipse at the very same time, as they stand, both are quite far from being the CFML IDE I am looking for. Massimo Foti, web-programmer for hire Tools for ColdFusion, JavaScript and Dreamweaver: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306393 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
Hard to believe they don't offer a don't touch my code option. Seems like it would be so simple, and so valuable to programmers. -Original Message- From: Massimo Foti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? But are you telling me - and I want to be clear here - that there is NO way to fix this? That you CANNOT guarantee that DW won't change your code? No, there is no way. It's the nature of the beast. DW automatically changes code for some reasonable reasons. For example, you open a new page, then add an image tag (either from code or design view) and point DW to a file. It creates something like: img src=file:///C|/mydir/mypage.jpg / Then, as soon you save the page, DW fixes the path, making it relative to the location where you saved the page. The vast majority of times, those fixes work very well, on a few occasions, they don't. Unfortunately MM first, then Adobe, never added an option to never touch by code, that would completely disable all these automatic functionality. No matter how much people like me or Tom Muck lobbied for it. Translators have been another problematic area too, yet they are critical to the way DW works, and they kick in both in Code or Design View. I mean I knew DW had issues with code in the past, but Code View was supposed to leave stuff alone. Code View is safe it's just urban legend, I keep saying this since many, many years (check list's archive). Seems like people don't believe me, if I am considered a DW expert... Don't get me wrong, I am not saying DW is crap, I am just saying you better be aware of its shortcoming. As I said, I use both DW and Eclipse at the very same time, as they stand, both are quite far from being the CFML IDE I am looking for. Massimo Foti, web-programmer for hire Tools for ColdFusion, JavaScript and Dreamweaver: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306395 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Hard to believe they don't offer a don't touch my code option. Seems like it would be so simple, and so valuable to programmers. I don't think it would be that easy to implement such a feature in DW, but I am just guessing. Anyway, programmers aren't DW's main target market. Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306397 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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BAH! I'm a Notepad.exe man myself. (To any employers out there, the above is a joke). :) On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Massimo Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hard to believe they don't offer a don't touch my code option. Seems like it would be so simple, and so valuable to programmers. I don't think it would be that easy to implement such a feature in DW, but I am just guessing. Anyway, programmers aren't DW's main target market. Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306399 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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The search functionality of Eclipse has always been something I felt was lacking. There was a thread on here a month or back where someone mentioned it had been changed finally, not sure if that change is in the current stable version or in one of the others. I did install Eclipse along with CFEclipse and a few other things just a couple weeks ago and do not recall the search page being different for me but I also can not recall if I have searched for anything in it since I only use that setup on one of my machines and not a whole lot. Yeh, I have the stable release of Eclipse 3.4 (Ganymede) and the search works great. To Qing: Select the project/folder want to search in the navigator view and hit CTRL-H (or there maybe a torch icon somewhere in your toolbars). In the dialog that opens you can then select the 'scope' of the search which should default to 'Selected resources' in this case. Dominic 2008/5/30 Phillip Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED]: BAH! I'm a Notepad.exe man myself. (To any employers out there, the above is a joke). :) On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Massimo Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hard to believe they don't offer a don't touch my code option. Seems like it would be so simple, and so valuable to programmers. I don't think it would be that easy to implement such a feature in DW, but I am just guessing. Anyway, programmers aren't DW's main target market. Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306403 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
