RE: Best CF editor?
Speaking of CF Editors... Bummer... I wanted to give Dreamweaver CS4 beta a try, but you have to be a CS3 or GoLive owner to try the beta. Seems like Adobe might be interested in the feedback of someone who's never used DW before. Oh, well...perhaps the trial will be out soon. Rick > -Original Message- > From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:32 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Best CF editor? > > > So if I have a file - file.cfc for example - I could split it up easily? > > > > But would I still be able to instanciate it the same way? > > Yeah, CFCs in particular would be functionaly the same. > > -- > s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch > isn't it time for a change? > ph: 617.365.5732 > > http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306855 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> So if I have a file - file.cfc for example - I could split it up easily? > > But would I still be able to instanciate it the same way? Yeah, CFCs in particular would be functionaly the same. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306853 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> I can see how a CFC can get large as is it supposed to be a library > of like functions, so if you had a site that had a calendar that was > cfc based (for instance) and you had all of you calendaring functions > in that cfc, that could get huge. Would you really want to break up > the functional unit into separate CFC's? Would that be any more > efficient than having them in one big file (as long as they were all > related of course). Differences would be minimal with regard to how the server handles it - on my end however, I find that it's easier to work with smaller files, whether they're related or not. So in my case, I'd actually prefer if I had a library of calendar functions for example, to have a folder with several actual files, and I may choose to create a separate file for each function or to just group the functions into several different categories. For inclusion's sake I would probably create a "wrapper" to load the set -- just a single file that includes all the other functions. Although in my case when I'm working on my own projects the onTap framework has a library manager/loader that expects (mostly) each file to contain just the one function and then also uses that same file to provide documentation for itself. So when you look at the documentation for the framework in a browser, there's a page of docs for each function library where it's actually including each file in the library to show its docs. Helps to keep things tidy, although of course there are always a few bugs in the docs. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306852 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
>So if I have a file - file.cfc for example - I could split it up easily? > >But would I still be able to instanciate it the same way? > > Yes, just make sure you're not using a cfinclude within a function. That exposes all protected local vars. Rather include the entire function as in etc. then you can instantiate it as usual hth, larry ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306829 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
>So if I have a file - file.cfc for example - I could split it up easily? > >But would I still be able to instanciate it the same way? > > Yes `0 ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306826 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
If the file is so large that the IDE can't load it, that means we're talking about thousands or tens of thousands of lines of code. It really needs to be split up into smaller components that do more specific things, because what this really becomes is an example of an anti-pattern known as a God Object ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_object). Maintenance is almost guaranteed to become more difficult as time goes on. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:41 AM, Michael Christensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So if I have a file - file.cfc for example - I could split it up easily? > > But would I still be able to instanciate it the same way? > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306823 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
I can see how a CFC can get large as is it supposed to be a library of like functions, so if you had a site that had a calendar that was cfc based (for instance) and you had all of you calendaring functions in that cfc, that could get huge. Would you really want to break up the functional unit into separate CFC's? Would that be any more efficient than having them in one big file (as long as they were all related of course). Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Michael Christensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:42 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*So if I have a file - file.cfc for example - I could split it up easily? /* /*But would I still be able to instanciate it the same way? /* /* /*>> I am sure you know as well as I, that sometimes refactoring is just not /*an option... /*> /*>That's true, although with either CFCs or includes there are easy ways /*>to divide the file up into multiple without actually refactoring them /*>and take just a few minutes. /*> /*>...1000 lines of code...1000 lines of code /*> /*>becomes /*> /*> /*> /*> /*>Or in a CFC /*> /*> /*>... 2000 lines ... /*> /*> /*>becomes /*> /*> /*>...1000 lines ... /*> /*> /*> /*>...another 1000 lines... /*> /*> /*>Inelegant though it may be, it's not very time consuming. /*> /*>-- /*>s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch /*> isn't it time for a change? /*> ph: 617.365.5732 /*> /*>http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306816 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
So if I have a file - file.cfc for example - I could split it up easily? But would I still be able to instanciate it the same way? >> I am sure you know as well as I, that sometimes refactoring is just not an >> option... > >That's true, although with either CFCs or includes there are easy ways >to divide the file up into multiple without actually refactoring them >and take just a few minutes. > >...1000 lines of code...1000 lines of code > >becomes > > > > >Or in a CFC > > >... 2000 lines ... > > >becomes > > >...1000 lines ... > > > >...another 1000 lines... > > >Inelegant though it may be, it's not very time consuming. > >-- >s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch > isn't it time for a change? > ph: 617.365.5732 > >http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306799 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> On Sunday 01 Jun 2008, s. isaac dealey wrote: > > the unlikely event that Dreamweaver did corrupt a file, recovery is > > pretty simple. > > *When you notice*. Given what I've seen, I wouldn't put not noticing down as being particularly likely. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306675 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Tom Chiverton said: > On Sunday 01 Jun 2008, Aaron Rouse wrote: > > How do you know with 100% certainty that some other editor is not going to > > change the code on you in some odd ball case? > > DW mangles my code (I've seen it do it, years ago). > Eclipse, in many years of using it, has never mangled my code. > So just on the balance of probability, Eclipse wins. Many years ago I had A file mangled by dreamweaver and then recovered it from a backup and lost a few minutes of work and stopped using that version of Dreamweaver. A couple years ago, about the time that the cfeclipse project was started, there was an alternative Eclipse-based CF-ide project created by someone else. For a brief period they seemed to be in faily stiff competition. This was at the time before many people had adopted it. And at the time I decided to try out the other one (not CFE, but still eclipse-based - don't remember the name offhand). During installation, it asked where your working file set was located. I told it where to find my working files and viola! It torched not just A file, but rather EVERY file in my project (which had to be recovered from backup). Today, after several years of using more recent versions of Dreamweaver (and 6 months of a newer version of Eclipse), I've not seen a single file damaged. So for myself, just on the balance of probability, Dreamweaver wins. That's the problem with availability heuristics. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306674 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> I am sure you know as well as I, that sometimes refactoring is just not an > option... That's true, although with either CFCs or includes there are easy ways to divide the file up into multiple without actually refactoring them and take just a few minutes. ...1000 lines of code...1000 lines of code becomes Or in a CFC 2000 lines ... becomes 1000 lines ... another 1000 lines... Inelegant though it may be, it's not very time consuming. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306673 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Oh it may be. I'm just saying you can also do it with CFE. On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Jason Durham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thought FTP support was provided via the Aptana plugin. I've also > been busy learning Coldbox, Transfer and Coldspring so I haven't had > much time to explore (cf)Eclipse. :) > > -Original Message- > From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:20 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Best CF editor? > > You are aware - I hope - that CFEclipse has FTP support? It's the FIle > Browser. It works both with local paths and FTP paths. One benefit it > has over RDS is: > -- === Raymond Camden, VP of Software Dev, Broadchoice Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306577 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
I thought FTP support was provided via the Aptana plugin. I've also been busy learning Coldbox, Transfer and Coldspring so I haven't had much time to explore (cf)Eclipse. :) -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? You are aware - I hope - that CFEclipse has FTP support? It's the FIle Browser. It works both with local paths and FTP paths. One benefit it has over RDS is: a) Most folks disable RDS on production b) I love that w/ FTP, I can specify a folder to jump to immediately. With RDS I have to dig down to my files. On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Jason Durham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After being at cf.Objective() and seeing Eclipse used and promoted by so > many developers, I'm doing my best to adopt it. Code completion and > integrated FTP are the two items I miss the most. I get frustrated with > Eclipse closing my elements but not enough to have to type the closing > tag every time. Yes, I'm aware that there are some behaviors that I can > tweak with regard to closing and auto-insertion. Unfortunately, there is > no 'work exactly like DW does' checkbox. :) > -- === Raymond Camden, VP of Software Dev, Broadchoice Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306575 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
You are aware - I hope - that CFEclipse has FTP support? It's the FIle Browser. It works both with local paths and FTP paths. One benefit it has over RDS is: a) Most folks disable RDS on production b) I love that w/ FTP, I can specify a folder to jump to immediately. With RDS I have to dig down to my files. On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Jason Durham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After being at cf.Objective() and seeing Eclipse used and promoted by so > many developers, I'm doing my best to adopt it. Code completion and > integrated FTP are the two items I miss the most. I get frustrated with > Eclipse closing my elements but not enough to have to type the closing > tag every time. Yes, I'm aware that there are some behaviors that I can > tweak with regard to closing and auto-insertion. Unfortunately, there is > no 'work exactly like DW does' checkbox. :) > -- === Raymond Camden, VP of Software Dev, Broadchoice Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306566 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
Hi. I'm Mike and I'm a Dreamweaver user. >It's nice to see some DWers come out of the closet! So who's going to get the DW logo tattooed on their arm and apply for a project with Mark? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306565 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
ROFL /*-Original Message- /*From: Jason Durham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:59 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: RE: Best CF editor? /*It's nice to see some DWers come out of the closet! So who's going to /*get the DW logo tattooed on their arm and apply for a project with Mark? /*:) ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306564 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
I am sure you know as well as I, that sometimes refactoring is just not an option... > On Saturday 31 May 2008, Michael Christensen wrote: > > and HomeSite for the large files (until I may eventually have time > to split > > them up). > > That's the thing, CFEclipse chokes on files once their size gets so > big you > should refactor them anyway :-) > > -- > Tom Chiverton > > > > This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306561 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
After being at cf.Objective() and seeing Eclipse used and promoted by so many developers, I'm doing my best to adopt it. Code completion and integrated FTP are the two items I miss the most. I get frustrated with Eclipse closing my elements but not enough to have to type the closing tag every time. Yes, I'm aware that there are some behaviors that I can tweak with regard to closing and auto-insertion. Unfortunately, there is no 'work exactly like DW does' checkbox. :) It's nice to see some DWers come out of the closet! So who's going to get the DW logo tattooed on their arm and apply for a project with Mark? :) -Original Message- From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 3:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? On Saturday 31 May 2008, Michael Christensen wrote: > and HomeSite for the large files (until I may eventually have time to split > them up). That's the thing, CFEclipse chokes on files once their size gets so big you should refactor them anyway :-) -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306558 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Michael Christensen wrote: > and HomeSite for the large files (until I may eventually have time to split > them up). That's the thing, CFEclipse chokes on files once their size gets so big you should refactor them anyway :-) -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306554 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Sunday 01 Jun 2008, s. isaac dealey wrote: > the unlikely event that Dreamweaver did corrupt a file, recovery is > pretty simple. *When you notice*. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306553 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Sunday 01 Jun 2008, Aaron Rouse wrote: > How do you know with 100% certainty that some other editor is not going to > change the code on you in some odd ball case? DW mangles my code (I've seen it do it, years ago). Eclipse, in many years of using it, has never mangled my code. So just on the balance of probability, Eclipse wins. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306552 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Friday 30 May 2008, Qing Xia wrote: > But work set? Have not done that. I am going to look it up in the online > references you have so graciously provided. I'd skip learning it, and jump straight to the (free) Mylyn plugin, which automatically filters the file navigator based on what files you actually worked with. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306551 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Friday 30 May 2008, Aaron Rouse wrote: > I looked earlier and believe I have 3.3.2 Workspace-wide search is in the 3.3 series too. Probably 3.2 if I remember my home machine right... -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306550 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
> It's similarly unable to understand the carriage returns > inserted into documents on Macs, so when you open those you > get one big mass of text with no returns at all. To be accurate, it understands those carriage returns just fine. What it doesn't understand is that, on a Mac, a carriage return is used alone to represent a new line. On Windows, the sequence of a carriage return and a line feed are needed to represent a new line. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306547 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
So the bugs that you have been made known about, you do in fact use those specific syntaxes in XML? On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think Massimo's point a msg ok makes a good point. You are right - > no program is w/o bugs. But I'd rather avoid the bugs I know about. > > Anyway, this is just my personal opinion now. > > On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Kay Smoljak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Ok, but if you KNOW that there is a 0.01% chance of DW messing with > >> your code, that wouldn't worry you? I can just imagine the hours > >> wasted trying to figure out why somehting isn't working and it turns > >> out to be the editor messing with the file. > >> > > -- > === > Raymond Camden, VP of Software Dev, Broadchoice > > Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com > AOL IM : cfjedimaster > > Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306544 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> How do you know with 100% certainty that some other editor is not > going to change the code on you in some odd ball case? I honestly > think I have had Notepad, if it was not this then it was some built-in > editor on this Mac, change a display character on me before, should I > ban that from use and label it as some horrific program because it > could not render some oddball scenario correctly and when I made > changes to the file and saved it then I unknowingly just saved its > mistake. Notpad has an odd relationship to line-feeds and carriage returns -- at least in my experience... If I copy something from notepad to paste into an html textarea, then the pasted text contains all sorts of hard returns where it shouldn't. It's similarly unable to understand the carriage returns inserted into documents on Macs, so when you open those you get one big mass of text with no returns at all. I was really frustrated when I commented to Sean Corfield that a readme for something he distributed was all horqued up, only to have someone else point out to me that Wordpad would read it properly. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306538 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> Ok, but if you KNOW that there is a 0.01% chance of DW messing with > your code, that wouldn't worry you? I can just imagine the hours > wasted trying to figure out why somehting isn't working and it turns > out to be the editor messing with the file. > > Sorry - even if it is 1 in a 1000, or 1 in 1, I'd refrain from > using DW. Well 2 things... First I use SVN to manage all my code changes, so in the unlikely event that Dreamweaver did corrupt a file, recovery is pretty simple. Secondly, the odds of file corruption via Dreamweaver are only very slightly greater than the odds of file corruption due to hardware failure. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306537 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
I think Massimo's point a msg ok makes a good point. You are right - no program is w/o bugs. But I'd rather avoid the bugs I know about. Anyway, this is just my personal opinion now. On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Kay Smoljak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Ok, but if you KNOW that there is a 0.01% chance of DW messing with >> your code, that wouldn't worry you? I can just imagine the hours >> wasted trying to figure out why somehting isn't working and it turns >> out to be the editor messing with the file. >> -- === Raymond Camden, VP of Software Dev, Broadchoice Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306534 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> Unless someone tells me the code view doesn't change code - I will > never run DW. Period. I believe someone earlier in the thread said > that it was indeed fixed, but who would want to use an editor w/o > knowing if it will muck with your code?? The problem with the XML's entities is now fixed in CS 4. But, as I demonstrated earlier in this thread with the example, DW indeed changes your code *by design*, no matter if you use the WYSIWYG tools or not. While the chances of code corruption is very marginal, especially using the most recent versions, you better be aware of the implications. Massimo Foti, web-programmer for hire Tools for ColdFusion, JavaScript and Dreamweaver: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306529 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, but if you KNOW that there is a 0.01% chance of DW messing with > your code, that wouldn't worry you? I can just imagine the hours > wasted trying to figure out why somehting isn't working and it turns > out to be the editor messing with the file. > > Sorry - even if it is 1 in a 1000, or 1 in 1, I'd refrain from using DW. Well, the last time I used ColdFusion Studio it started overwriting open files with other files of the same name (i.e. all my open index.cfm from different folders files ended up with the same contents after uploading). There is no program in the world without bugs. I happen to find that the productivity boosts I get from DW outweigh the 0.1% chance of something bad happening. -- Kay Smoljak business: www.cleverstarfish.com coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com personal: enterthegoatlady.com | heapsbad.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306528 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
Not really. In the 4 or 5 years (or however many it is) That DW because MM's IDE of choice for CF, I never had a problem that didn't involve the WYSIWYG interface. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 10:19 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*Ok, but if you KNOW that there is a 0.01% chance of DW messing with /*your code, that wouldn't worry you? I can just imagine the hours /*wasted trying to figure out why somehting isn't working and it turns /*out to be the editor messing with the file. /* /*Sorry - even if it is 1 in a 1000, or 1 in 1, I'd refrain from using /*DW. /* /*On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Kay Smoljak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /*wrote: /*> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /*wrote: /*>> Unless someone tells me the code view doesn't change code - I will /*>> never run DW. Period. I believe someone earlier in the thread said /*>> that it was indeed fixed, but who would want to use an editor w/o /*>> knowing if it will muck with your code?? /*> /*> I've never had DW change my code once I've set all the options properly. /*> I work mostly in Fusebox 4/5. Most of the problems reported seem to be /*> to do with complex XML. /*> *shrugs* /*> /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306527 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
How do you know with 100% certainty that some other editor is not going to change the code on you in some odd ball case? I honestly think I have had Notepad, if it was not this then it was some built-in editor on this Mac, change a display character on me before, should I ban that from use and label it as some horrific program because it could not render some oddball scenario correctly and when I made changes to the file and saved it then I unknowingly just saved its mistake. On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, but if you KNOW that there is a 0.01% chance of DW messing with > your code, that wouldn't worry you? I can just imagine the hours > wasted trying to figure out why somehting isn't working and it turns > out to be the editor messing with the file. > > Sorry - even if it is 1 in a 1000, or 1 in 1, I'd refrain from using > DW. > > On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Kay Smoljak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Unless someone tells me the code view doesn't change code - I will > >> never run DW. Period. I believe someone earlier in the thread said > >> that it was indeed fixed, but who would want to use an editor w/o > >> knowing if it will muck with your code?? > > > > I've never had DW change my code once I've set all the options properly. > > I work mostly in Fusebox 4/5. Most of the problems reported seem to be > > to do with complex XML. > > *shrugs* > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306526 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Ok, but if you KNOW that there is a 0.01% chance of DW messing with your code, that wouldn't worry you? I can just imagine the hours wasted trying to figure out why somehting isn't working and it turns out to be the editor messing with the file. Sorry - even if it is 1 in a 1000, or 1 in 1, I'd refrain from using DW. On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Kay Smoljak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Unless someone tells me the code view doesn't change code - I will >> never run DW. Period. I believe someone earlier in the thread said >> that it was indeed fixed, but who would want to use an editor w/o >> knowing if it will muck with your code?? > > I've never had DW change my code once I've set all the options properly. > I work mostly in Fusebox 4/5. Most of the problems reported seem to be > to do with complex XML. > *shrugs* > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306525 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Yes, but if we ignore that it happens with very specific things and just hound and hound on the fact that it happens then it is more fuel to the fire against DW. On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Kay Smoljak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Unless someone tells me the code view doesn't change code - I will > > never run DW. Period. I believe someone earlier in the thread said > > that it was indeed fixed, but who would want to use an editor w/o > > knowing if it will muck with your code?? > > I've never had DW change my code once I've set all the options properly. > I work mostly in Fusebox 4/5. Most of the problems reported seem to be > to do with complex XML. > *shrugs* > > -- > Kay Smoljak > business: www.cleverstarfish.com > coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com > personal: enterthegoatlady.com | heapsbad.com > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306524 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
My problem with it appears to have been fixed in CS3 and is not repeatable in CS4. And as I pointed out before my problem is so insanely rare to happen to us that it is damn near not worth even mentioning. On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Les Mizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Grab it and let Adobe know what you think... > > > > Unless someone tells me the code view doesn't change code - I will > never run DW. Period. I believe someone earlier in the thread said > that it was indeed fixed, but who would want to use an editor w/o > knowing if it will muck with your code?? > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306523 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unless someone tells me the code view doesn't change code - I will > never run DW. Period. I believe someone earlier in the thread said > that it was indeed fixed, but who would want to use an editor w/o > knowing if it will muck with your code?? I've never had DW change my code once I've set all the options properly. I work mostly in Fusebox 4/5. Most of the problems reported seem to be to do with complex XML. *shrugs* -- Kay Smoljak business: www.cleverstarfish.com coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com personal: enterthegoatlady.com | heapsbad.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306522 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Les Mizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Grab it and let Adobe know what you think... > Unless someone tells me the code view doesn't change code - I will never run DW. Period. I believe someone earlier in the thread said that it was indeed fixed, but who would want to use an editor w/o knowing if it will muck with your code?? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306521 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
Yeah...and that was a major improvement. The separate windows kept me from using DW prior to that. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Kay Smoljak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:52 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Eric Roberts /*<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: /*> The separate windows thing really bugged me...but then again I really /*> dislike Macs too. It's one of the things I hate about gimp too, but /*> unfortunately I am forced to use that. /* /*DW has had a docked, full MDI since the MX2004 release. It hasn't been /*floating windows since version 4. /* /*-- /*Kay Smoljak /*business: www.cleverstarfish.com /*coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com /*personal: enterthegoatlady.com | heapsbad.com /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306520 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Eric Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The separate windows thing really bugged me...but then again I really > dislike Macs too. It's one of the things I hate about gimp too, but > unfortunately I am forced to use that. DW has had a docked, full MDI since the MX2004 release. It hasn't been floating windows since version 4. -- Kay Smoljak business: www.cleverstarfish.com coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com personal: enterthegoatlady.com | heapsbad.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306519 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
The separate windows thing really bugged me...but then again I really dislike Macs too. It's one of the things I hate about gimp too, but unfortunately I am forced to use that. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 11:19 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*> That was back when DW was a design tool and didn't have the code view. /*It /*> also had the horrible Mac disembodied windows. We also were not happy /*with /*> the first version of it after MM dropped CfStudio. It has improved /*greatly /*> along the road to 8. I still wish they would make a version of it /*without /*> the wysiwyg part. That would be awesome. /*> /*> Eric /* /*Yeah, I know I wasn't happy with DW at the time they dropped CFS. These /*days it's the most productive way for me to work, in spite of still /*being imperfect in several ways like the wysiwyg popping open on me. /*(Which /*I may have just fixed thanks to somebody here making me doulbe-check my /*prefs - doh!) /* /*Personally I'm agnostic about the separate windows thing... I wasn't /*enthused about the fact that GIMP had them, but it wasn't a turn off for /*me either. What bugs me about GIMP is that the rest of its interface is /*really unintuitive and challenging to learn. Someone the other day /*mentioned to me the notion of a keyboard shortcut for "send to back" in /*Unix versions instead of the Windows alt+tab "bring to front" as being a /*better way of handling windowed interfaces and making the separate /*windows a lot more sensible. I'd actually like to see that implemented /*on Windows -- at least on hearing it, I thought it did sound like a good /*design. But it's nowhere near compelling enough for me to start looking /*for a Unix version I can install on one of my machines. /* /*-- /*s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch /* isn't it time for a change? /* ph: 617.365.5732 /* /*http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog /* /* /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306512 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Basically, it seems my choices come down to something like this; HOMESITE PROS: sturdy and reliable CONS: not being updated ECLIPSE PROS: free, lots of good features, nice functions for CF CONS: buggy, doesn't handle large files, even critical bugs seem to take a LONG time to get fixed APTANA PROS: free, very similar to Eclipse + option not to use working sets CONS: same as for Eclipse DREAMWEAVER PROS: fast, similar to HomeSite in many ways CONS: a bit steep on price, doesn't have the many nice feature of Eclipse For the moment, it seems I might end up using Eclipse for most of my work and HomeSite for the large files (until I may eventually have time to split them up). I am not at all happy about that solution, as I would really prefer using the same editor all the time and pouring all my energy into customizing and optimizing that particular editor. If anyone from the Eclipse-gang is reading this - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE fix the issue with the large files, which has been reported as a bug about 2 years ago... ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306509 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
Yeah, but until 5, I really wouldn't call it code view... /*-Original Message- /*From: Massimo Foti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:30 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*> That was back when DW was a design tool and didn't have the code view. /* /*DW has a code view since release 1, back in 1997. It was vastly improved /*in /*DW 4, since 2000, before the Allaire aquisition. /* /*Massimo /* /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306508 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
I guess I assumed it was 7... eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Massimo Foti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:27 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*> DW7 was better and DW8 was really nice... /* /*Ehmm... DW 7 actually never was :-) /*They skipped that release number in order to align it to Flash. There was /*never such a thing as DW 7. /* /*Massimo /* /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306507 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> DW7 was better and DW8 was really nice...though as Ray pointed out...there > was no SVN integration, which sucked. There's a public beta of DW 9 out now, with some nice enhancements. A work saving feature for me is a "related files" panel that clearly shows any includes, imported files, blah, blah associated with the file you're working on - with one click access to open and toy with them too. Grab it and let Adobe know what you think... ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306506 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> That was back when DW was a design tool and didn't have the code view. It > also had the horrible Mac disembodied windows. We also were not happy with > the first version of it after MM dropped CfStudio. It has improved greatly > along the road to 8. I still wish they would make a version of it without > the wysiwyg part. That would be awesome. > > Eric Yeah, I know I wasn't happy with DW at the time they dropped CFS. These days it's the most productive way for me to work, in spite of still being imperfect in several ways like the wysiwyg popping open on me. (Which I may have just fixed thanks to somebody here making me doulbe-check my prefs - doh!) Personally I'm agnostic about the separate windows thing... I wasn't enthused about the fact that GIMP had them, but it wasn't a turn off for me either. What bugs me about GIMP is that the rest of its interface is really unintuitive and challenging to learn. Someone the other day mentioned to me the notion of a keyboard shortcut for "send to back" in Unix versions instead of the Windows alt+tab "bring to front" as being a better way of handling windowed interfaces and making the separate windows a lot more sensible. I'd actually like to see that implemented on Windows -- at least on hearing it, I thought it did sound like a good design. But it's nowhere near compelling enough for me to start looking for a Unix version I can install on one of my machines. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306505 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> > The only thing I had in CFEclipse that I'd like to see in Dreamweaver is > > the ability to get a list of methods in a CFC > > Available since 3 years on my website :-) > http://www.massimocorner.com/dreamweaver/coldfusion/cf_function_nav.mxp Thanks Massimo! Exactly what I was looking for. :) -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306502 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
It starts off as two double quotes next to one another, DW changes it to one single double quote. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Eric Roberts < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't do a lot of xml so I guess I never saw anything like that. Is that > just 1 double quote or 2 single quotes? If it is single quotes, you may > have something (might even be a default) for xml files that changes that in > accordance with some xml standard. > > Eric > > /*-Original Message- > /*From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > /*Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:16 PM > /*To: CF-Talk > /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? > /* > /*Massimo(sp?) gave an example that I believe others were able to repeat > /*where > /*DW rewrites and XML file. I have seen DW do this for one of ours, here > is > /*what the files have prior to opening them: > /* > /*"" > /* > /*When opened up in DW the display shows this instead: > /* > /*" > /* > /*If you make some change in the file then save it, you unknowingly have > /*saved > /*it with that change but you quickly find out because I frame work throws > /*an > /*error on that. I just tested it in DW 8 and it happened as I explained. > /* > /*On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Eric Roberts < > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306496 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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>> Ehmm... DW 7 actually never was :-) >> They skipped that release number in order to align it to Flash. There was >> never such a thing as DW 7. > > that's what made it good :D You are right! It's a shame I never managed to get a copy :-) Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306491 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Massimo Foti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> DW7 was better and DW8 was really nice... > > Ehmm... DW 7 actually never was :-) > They skipped that release number in order to align it to Flash. There was > never such a thing as DW 7. that's what made it good :D -- A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint. Bartender asks him "What's wrong?" Byte says "Parity error." Bartender nods and says "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306490 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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>> Just out of curiosity, does DW does XML Schema Validation or code >> hinting based of an Xml Schema? (Not DTD) >> >> It looks like it does, but just looking for confirmation. > > I am almost sure it does schema validation too. Just checked. It does both. And you get code hints even without importing the schema. DW parses it on the fly. Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306489 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> Massimo(sp?) gave an example that I believe others were able to repeat > where > DW rewrites and XML file. I have seen DW do this for one of ours, here is > what the files have prior to opening them: > > "" > > When opened up in DW the display shows this instead: > > " > > If you make some change in the file then save it, you unknowingly have > saved > it with that change but you quickly find out because I frame work throws > an > error on that. I just tested it in DW 8 and it happened as I explained. I can't reproduce this on a very basic XML file, either in DW CS 3 or CS 4 beta. I imagine the file could be a bitter more complicated than that, so the problem could be more elusive. Would you mind send me a copy of a file that triggers the problem? Please feel free to contact me directly. Thanks Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306488 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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> That was back when DW was a design tool and didn't have the code view. DW has a code view since release 1, back in 1997. It was vastly improved in DW 4, since 2000, before the Allaire aquisition. Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306487 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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> Just out of curiosity, does DW does XML Schema Validation or code > hinting based of an Xml Schema? (Not DTD) > > It looks like it does, but just looking for confirmation. I am almost sure it does schema validation too. As for code hinting, importing either an .xsd or a .dtd is a piece of cake. DW automatically generates the .vtm files out of the schema/dtd and add them to its tag library. That's a very nifty, little-know feature. That's what I use to generate the vtm I package as DW extensions for Transfer/Fusebox/MG/Mach-II. Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306485 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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> DW7 was better and DW8 was really nice... Ehmm... DW 7 actually never was :-) They skipped that release number in order to align it to Flash. There was never such a thing as DW 7. Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306486 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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>> Well, I'm surprised. As I said, I tease DW a lot, but I accept that >> other people use it because it matches their style. Frankly, after >> hearing this, I can't believe _anyone_ would use it. Maybe I'm >> throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but if you can't trust your >> editor to leave your darn code alone, then to me it is 100% worthless. > > You can set all this in the preferences: > > Edit -> Preferences -> Code Rewriting > Check "Never Rewrite Code" > Then you can set which types of files to not touch with a list of file > extensions. I am sorry to say that's doesn't cut. DW still pretends to "fix" things even with that setting (I've turned it off 10 years ago) and translators kick in anyway. Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306482 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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> FWIW, I have been using DW since MX on a daily basis as a code editor, > and I've never had the code corruption problems that Massimo mentions. > Perhaps I work with different types of files? It's not that code corruptions happens on a weekly basis, especially since DW MX, but it still can happens. For me it's once a year or the like. It's just that you better be aware of the nature of the beast. Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306481 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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> It's not the editor...it is the wysiwyg part that changes code. If you > don't use it, it will never effect you. Once again, sorry to be rude, but that's an urban legend. And I've proved many times in the past. Not only with XML files, try the example I explained early in this thread. It demonstrates that DW changes your code, even if you never use the wysiwyg. In that cases, as most of the times, it does a good job, but it's designed to automatically change your code. Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306484 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> The only thing I had in CFEclipse that I'd like to see in Dreamweaver is > the ability to get a list of methods in a CFC Available since 3 years on my website :-) http://www.massimocorner.com/dreamweaver/coldfusion/cf_function_nav.mxp Massimo Foti, web-programmer for hire Tools for ColdFusion, JavaScript and Dreamweaver: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306483 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
I don't do a lot of xml so I guess I never saw anything like that. Is that just 1 double quote or 2 single quotes? If it is single quotes, you may have something (might even be a default) for xml files that changes that in accordance with some xml standard. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:16 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*Massimo(sp?) gave an example that I believe others were able to repeat /*where /*DW rewrites and XML file. I have seen DW do this for one of ours, here is /*what the files have prior to opening them: /* /*"" /* /*When opened up in DW the display shows this instead: /* /*" /* /*If you make some change in the file then save it, you unknowingly have /*saved /*it with that change but you quickly find out because I frame work throws /*an /*error on that. I just tested it in DW 8 and it happened as I explained. /* /*On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Eric Roberts < ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306478 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
That was back when DW was a design tool and didn't have the code view. It also had the horrible Mac disembodied windows. We also were not happy with the first version of it after MM dropped CfStudio. It has improved greatly along the road to 8. I still wish they would make a version of it without the wysiwyg part. That would be awesome. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:09 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*> I was wondering the same thing because the post implied that to me /*> but I figured I was reading it wrong. I do not think IDE selection is /*> a sign of skill one way or the other. I do however think that people /*> get a little too pushy about what IDE to use or not use and that /*> feeling of mine dates back before I ever heard of Eclipse. /* /*Back before Macromedia, if I remember correctly, there was a fair amount /*of disdain for both Homesite and Dreamweaver users amongst those of us who /*used ColdFusion Studio (at times myself included I must admit). I get /*the same sort of vibe from a lot of Eclipse advocates. /* /*-- /*s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch /* isn't it time for a change? /* ph: 617.365.5732 /* /*http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog /* /* /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306477 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Massimo(sp?) gave an example that I believe others were able to repeat where DW rewrites and XML file. I have seen DW do this for one of ours, here is what the files have prior to opening them: "" When opened up in DW the display shows this instead: " If you make some change in the file then save it, you unknowingly have saved it with that change but you quickly find out because I frame work throws an error on that. I just tested it in DW 8 and it happened as I explained. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Eric Roberts < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's not the editor...it is the wysiwyg part that changes code. If you > don't use it, it will never effect you. > > /*-Original Message- > /*From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > /*Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:22 PM > /*To: CF-Talk > /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? > /* > /*Well, I'm surprised. As I said, I tease DW a lot, but I accept that > /*other people use it because it matches their style. Frankly, after > /*hearing this, I can't believe _anyone_ would use it. Maybe I'm > /*throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but if you can't trust your > /*editor to leave your darn code alone, then to me it is 100% worthless. > /* > /*On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Massimo Foti > /*<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > /*>> Hard to believe they don't offer a "don't touch my code" option. Seems > /*>> like > /*>> it would be so simple, and so valuable to programmers. > /*> > /*> I don't think it would be that easy to implement such a feature in DW, > /*but I > /*> am just guessing. > /*> Anyway, programmers aren't DW's main target market. > /*> > /* > /*-- > > /*== > /*= > /*Raymond Camden, VP of Software Dev, Broadchoice > /* > /*Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > /*Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com > /*AOL IM : cfjedimaster > /* > /*Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org > /* > /* > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306474 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> I was wondering the same thing because the post implied that to me > but I figured I was reading it wrong. I do not think IDE selection is > a sign of skill one way or the other. I do however think that people > get a little too pushy about what IDE to use or not use and that > feeling of mine dates back before I ever heard of Eclipse. Back before Macromedia, if I remember correctly, there was a fair amount of disdain for both Homesite and Dreamweaver users amongst those of us who used ColdFusion Studio (at times myself included I must admit). I get the same sort of vibe from a lot of Eclipse advocates. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306473 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> On Friday 30 May 2008, Mark Drew wrote: > > CFEclipse, in comparison to the WYSIWYG coders, you at least know they > > can type code and not just do it using Dreamweavers tutorials/helpers > > I assume this is why most places set a practical programing test as part of > the interview. Funny... I remember the days when Access was much more common than it is now and there was that distinction between people who'd used Access databases and people who'd used SQL Server... except that in my experience, the folks who had SQL Server experience were quite often not any more knowledgeable about databases or even for that matter about SQL. Many of the guys I worked directly with did all their SQL work in the visual editors in Enterprise Manager (which creates horrid, horrid bleeding-eyes syntax and is essentially a "grown up" version of the Access IDE). A handful of them even verbally marvelled that when they asked me to help them with a database task, the first thing I would do is open Query Analyzer and go straight to hand-coding the SQL saying things like "I don't know how you do that". I was the other way around -- I had a hard time imagining how they got any work done in Enterprise Manager. To me a language is a language, and that's the first thing you learn -- editors come later once you've mastered the syntax. Fortunately I've never had a practical skill test where anyone asked me specifically to work with a visual query builder or a wysiwyg editor. Not that I couldn't figure it out, but it's not the easiest way for me to work. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306471 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
It's not the editor...it is the wysiwyg part that changes code. If you don't use it, it will never effect you. /*-Original Message- /*From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:22 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*Well, I'm surprised. As I said, I tease DW a lot, but I accept that /*other people use it because it matches their style. Frankly, after /*hearing this, I can't believe _anyone_ would use it. Maybe I'm /*throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but if you can't trust your /*editor to leave your darn code alone, then to me it is 100% worthless. /* /*On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Massimo Foti /*<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: /*>> Hard to believe they don't offer a "don't touch my code" option. Seems /*>> like /*>> it would be so simple, and so valuable to programmers. /*> /*> I don't think it would be that easy to implement such a feature in DW, /*but I /*> am just guessing. /*> Anyway, programmers aren't DW's main target market. /*> /* /*-- /*== /*= /*Raymond Camden, VP of Software Dev, Broadchoice /* /*Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com /*AOL IM : cfjedimaster /* /*Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306470 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
I only ever used design view if I was having a stubborn table that just would not cooperate. I can probably count the number of times I used that on one hand. Other than that, it was all code view. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:01 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*She did not use the design view and I never have used the design view, she /*had in her head that it just would change code out of the blue and /*probably /*from reading things online. In the 4 years I have used DW, it has never /*behind my back changed any code accept for one odd ball instance when /*editing an XML file with a very specific element name. But of course in /*the /*4 years I have used it, I can not think of one single time I looked at the /*design view, it is just an option the software has that I never once have /*used. /* /*On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Tom Chiverton /*<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /*wrote: /* /*> On Friday 30 May 2008, Aaron Rouse wrote: /*> > and getting into an argument with a friend who insisted that she /*needed /*> an /*> > old version of CFStudio because, in her head, Homesite screws up code. /*> /*> Even now (the design view of) DW does screw up your CFML, as attested in /*> this /*> very thread. /*> (CF)Eclipse will never* do this behind your back. /*> /*> -- /*> Tom Chiverton /*> /*> /*> /*> This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. /*> /*> Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England /*and /*> Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address /*is at /*> Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A /*> list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. /*Any /*> reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of /*> Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. /*> /*> CONFIDENTIALITY /*> /*> This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and /*> may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee /*you /*> must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy /*it /*> nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its /*> existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please /*> delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. /*> /*> For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. /*> /*> /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306469 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
Cancel that...design view...NM :-D Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:10 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*On Friday 30 May 2008, Aaron Rouse wrote: /*> and getting into an argument with a friend who insisted that she needed /*an /*> old version of CFStudio because, in her head, Homesite screws up code. /* /*Even now (the design view of) DW does screw up your CFML, as attested in /*this /*very thread. /*(CF)Eclipse will never* do this behind your back. /* /*-- /*Tom Chiverton /* /* /* /*This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. /* /*Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England /*and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address /*is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 /*3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered /*office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a /*member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation /*Authority. /* /*CONFIDENTIALITY /* /*This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and /*may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee /*you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor /*copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee /*of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error /*please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. /* /*For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306468 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
How does DW CV mess with your CFML? I don't remember ever experiencing that. I do vaguely remembering an old version of CFStudio doing that at some point...V4/4.5 maybe? Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:10 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*On Friday 30 May 2008, Aaron Rouse wrote: /*> and getting into an argument with a friend who insisted that she needed /*an /*> old version of CFStudio because, in her head, Homesite screws up code. /* /*Even now (the design view of) DW does screw up your CFML, as attested in /*this /*very thread. /*(CF)Eclipse will never* do this behind your back. /* /*-- /*Tom Chiverton /* /* /* /*This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. /* /*Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England /*and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address /*is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 /*3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered /*office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a /*member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation /*Authority. /* /*CONFIDENTIALITY /* /*This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and /*may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee /*you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor /*copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee /*of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error /*please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. /* /*For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306467 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
DW7 was better and DW8 was really nice...though as Ray pointed out...there was no SVN integration, which sucked. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 8:46 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*>>I am learning more /*about Dreamweaver from this thread. I'm tempted to give it a shot. /* /*I am looking at the specks on the CS4 beta and it looks *tight*. /* /*I agree with Mark Drew. You should have many tools in your utility belt /*and /*know the strengths and weakness's of each. I really like CS3 *A lot* but I /*am stuck with DW MX (6) at work and I am not particularly fond of it. CS3 /*was a giant leap forward. /* /*I have a buddy that is a *gifted* UI developer (a cross browser /*CSS/XHTML/XML guru) and he swears by DW and MS Expression. I have done /*quite /*a bit of design and when I am doing GUI centric work DW is my tool of /*choice /*hands down. /* /*my $0.02 /* /*G /* /*On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Greg Luce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: /* /*> That was supposed to be *blinkered* - "considering only a narrow point /*of /*> view". /*> /*> I do agree there is alot of pressure from the uber-CFers to use Eclipse /*and /*> I FINALLY caved in about 9 months ago after a few failed half-day /*attempts. /*> I think the thing that put me over the edge was the Mylyn task-context /*> stuff /*> (it's great for multi-tasking). I had a real problem with the project- /*based /*> approach being forced on you in CFE but I got over it. I am learning /*more /*> about Dreamweaver from this thread. I'm tempted to give it a shot. /*> /*> Greg /*> /*> /*> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Greg Luce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /*> wrote: /*> /*> > blindered - "considering only a narrow point of view". You know those /*> > things horses wear on a track so they can only look straight ahead? /*> > /*> > Greg /*> > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Rick Faircloth < /*> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: /*> > /*> >> Just so I can continue to follow this little "tit for tat"... /*> >> What is "blinkered"? /*> >> /*> >> /*> >> > -Original Message- /*> >> > From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*> >> > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:57 AM /*> >> > To: CF-Talk /*> >> > Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /*> >> > /*> >> > I have used Dreamweaver a lot. And I have looked at the code view /*and /*> >> > used it (not just tried it, Its the fourth tool in my armoury of /*> >> > editors) so I am not belittling the tool at all. /*> >> > /*> >> > And no, I am not blinkered, I am NOT saying that if you have /*> >> > Dreamweaver you will not get the job, it depends on a lot of other /*> >> > things that are on the CV. /*> >> > /*> >> > I think I am very good at spotting good talent and dont really care /*> >> > what you code in. But from EXPERIENCE of reading these CV's and /*> >> > interviewing people that is what I have found. /*> >> > /*> >> > Now, there are many exceptions to the rule obviously, and have /*> >> > interviewed many people who's tool of choice is CFStudio or /*HomeSite /*> >> > and things are different. /*> >> > /*> >> > Depends on the job that people are going for of course. /*> >> > /*> >> > Also, I should point out that even our HTML ers use Aptana (an /*Eclipse /*> >> > product) as well as Dreamweaver. /*> >> > /*> >> > I prefer to have as many tools available to me, and know what their /*> >> > strengths and weaknesses are. /*> >> > /*> >> > I am NOT blinkered, and take objection to the comment /*> >> > /*> >> > MD /*> >> > /*> >> /*> >> /*> >> /*> >> /*> /*> /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306466 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
I didn't like the fact that it wasn't integrated, though there was a plugin you could buy that did it. I can't vouch for how well it worked (or not) as I never used it. I just bit the bullet and used tortoise in Windows Explorer...a bit of a pain in the butt, but more of an inconvenience than anything else. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:34 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*Did you try it with DW CS4? I assume all extensions for CS3 would work /*for CS4. I'd be willing to give DWCS4 another try if so. I need to /*play with the SVN integration a bit though. I'm curious if it supports /*file labels like Eclipse though. And right click ops to view history, /*etc. /* /*On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Jason Durham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: /*> http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/downloads.html /*> /*> I was just able to download and install the extensions. It appears the /*> new tags and functions are now supported with DW CS3. /*> /*> -Original Message- /*> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:28 AM /*> To: CF-Talk /*> Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /*> /*> Seriously - although I'm sure there is a good reason. This is just a /*> beta though. I'm sure we've all memorized all 50 of the new image /*> functions anyway. /*> /*> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Andy Matthews /*> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: /*>> Seriously? CF8 has been out for over 6 months now. /*>> /*>> -Original Message- /*>> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*>> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:11 AM /*>> To: CF-Talk /*>> Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /*>> /*>> I played with it. Doesn't really do anything for me. Not that I gave /*> it a /*>> fair shake down though. DW just isn't "for me." If you want code help /*>> though, don't use the new DW. It doesn't recognize CF8 tags yet. /*>> /*>> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Will Swain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: /*>>> Will the built in SVN support in the new dreamweaver encourage people /*>>> to use it for cf development I wonder? /*>>>-- /*> /*> === /*> Raymond Camden, VP of Software Dev, Broadchoice /*> /*> Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] /*> Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com /*> AOL IM : cfjedimaster /*> /*> Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org /*> /*> /*> /*> /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306465 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
I prefer DW as it saves me a lot of time and the site oriented layout fits in more with how we have our servers set up. While I think eclipse is a great idea and I think CFEclipse has a future, I don't think it is better than DW if you put it feature to feature. I would love to see a wysiwyg free version of DW as I never used it. I only use Eclipse now because I have to...though I am sure I can ask my boss to get me a DW license. I too keep trying hard to like it and well wish that it is ready for prime time, but it does fall short. To judge someone based on the IDE they use is VERY short sighted Mark and the comparison is not even close. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 4:08 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*James /* /*I get a number of CF's through, people claim many things on that nice /*bit of fiction that is called a CV. /* /*When I get to choosing people for interviews, people with "Eclipse", /*Frameworks, version control etc etc will be getting through (well, not /*all the time) but at least it gives me an idea where their head is at /*for senior roles. /* /*Discrimination? NAY! /* /*Its like reading that they have used Access compared to MS SQL to me. /* /*MD /* /*On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:01 AM, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /*wrote: /*> I'd want to look at code before assuming that it was built with a /*wizard. /*> /*> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Mark Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: /*>> I vill build a IDE that will last two zounsand yearz! /*>> /*>> Ehem... no.. its the fact that if you made the effort to know /*>> CFEclipse, in comparison to the WYSIWYG coders, you at least know they /*>> can type code and not just do it using Dreamweavers tutorials/helpers /*>> etc. /*>> /*>> Its a quick discrimination from the junk. /*>> /*>> Hey, I can code ASP with Dreamweaver. Would you hire me as an ASP /*>> developer because of that? /*> /*> -- /*> mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: /*> http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ /*> /*> /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306464 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hard to believe they don't offer a "don't touch my code" option. Seems like > it would be so simple, and so valuable to programmers. It's there: if you set DW to fix invalidly nested tags (or choose one of the other rewriting options) you get a second option enabled which lets you specify the types of files in which DW shouldn't ever rewrite code - I always do this and add .cfm to the list (and .html and .php and .xml and .log and .txt and anything else I'm likely to work with). FWIW, I have been using DW since MX on a daily basis as a code editor, and I've never had the code corruption problems that Massimo mentions. Perhaps I work with different types of files? K. -- Kay Smoljak business: www.cleverstarfish.com coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com personal: enterthegoatlady.com | heapsbad.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306462 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
Eclipse Gestapo...hahaha...that's great! Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:40 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*>>I actually like that phrase and find it rather fitting. /* /*VERY Interesting. I would venture to say that notion reflects a zeitgeist /*of /*the CF community as a whole. Namely the skill/Knowledge divide /* /*This notion has been touched on several times /* /*http://www.briankotek.com/blog/index.cfm/2006/4/5/The-CF-Skill-Divide /*http://www.robgonda.com/blog/index.cfm/2006/6/1/Coldfusion-skill-divide /*http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/read/290513.htm /* /* /* /*On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /*wrote: /* /*> I actually like that phrase and find it rather fitting. /*> /*> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Gerald Guido <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /*> wrote: /*> /*> > >> because of the Eclipse gestapo. /*> > /*> > I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. /*> > /*> > /*> > -- /*> > "The important thing in science is not so much to obtain new facts as /*to /*> > discover new ways of thinking about them." /*> > - Sir William Bragg /*> > /*> > /*> > /*> /*> /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306461 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
I prefer DW, but I don't have a copy, so I use Eclipse, which can be slow and buggy a lot of the time. I have more times than I should where I am coding and Eclipse does something or jumps around and I am just sitting there wondering what the hell just happened. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Joel Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 7:33 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Best CF editor? /* /*Yeah, WYSIWYG is more or less unusable for professional web design because /*doing such on a professional level requires intimate involvement in the /*code and has to transcend drag-n-drop of simplified components. That /*being said, I think the WYSIWYG is good enough in Dreamweaver CS3 to more /*or less get a good idea of what is going on rendering-side to save /*incessant IDE-browser switching. Of course, there will still be plenty of /*this anyway, but the Dreamweaver as an WYSIWYG can help reduce a bit of /*it. /* /*>On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Phillip Vector /*><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: /*>> Dreamweaver is nice... But I think allot of people (myself included) /*>> got scared away from it awhile back when the WYSIWYG editor made code /*>> that was... just unreadable.. Kind of like Front Page *shutter* /*>> /*>> Has Dreamweaver improved enough to give another look at? /*> /*>I've been using DW since the first MX release as a code editor. I /*>don't go into design view (I never went into it in CFStudio either). I /*>turn off most panels and toolbars and work with just the files panel /*>and code window (I'm a keyboard shortcut junkie). It's brilliant - /*>extensible, customisable, powerful. Code hinting for CF, HTML, CSS and /*>JavaScript. SVN in the new version although I used an extension for /*>SVN support in CS3. FTP and SFTP out of the box. /*> /*>People used to say "it's too slow compared to HomeSite/CFStudio" but /*>these people have now moved to Eclipse, which I find performs /*>unacceptably slowly, even on a high spec machine with plenty of RAM. /*>In fact, there's a real Eclipse gestapo that try to imply that you're /*>not a real coder unless you're using it, which annoys me no end. /*> /*>Believe it or not, all of the front end developers I know, who work in /*>HTML, CSS and JavaScript only, spend most of their time in code view /*>too - WYSIWYG is not an effective development tool for creating any /*>kind of site, imho. /*> /*>-- /*>Kay Smoljak /*>business: www.cleverstarfish.com /*>coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com /*>personal: enterthegoatlady.com | heapsbad.com /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306460 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> > No, you can have it only show components in your selected site. There are > two little buttons, one that looks like a globe, another that looks like a > house. The globe shows all components on the server, the house shows just > the components on your site. Oh thanks. ;) > And lots of things require RDS, in Dreamweaver or Eclipse for that matter. None of them things I've ever found a need for, oddly enough. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306459 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
> and it still sucks... Yeah, I can click on a method and go > straight to it, but... a) I have to have RDS running to do it > and b) I have to wade through *hundreds* of files on my > server, not just the handful of components in my current > project No, you can have it only show components in your selected site. There are two little buttons, one that looks like a globe, another that looks like a house. The globe shows all components on the server, the house shows just the components on your site. And lots of things require RDS, in Dreamweaver or Eclipse for that matter. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306458 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
> Just out of curiosity, does DW does XML Schema Validation or > code hinting based of an Xml Schema? (Not DTD) > > It looks like it does, but just looking for confirmation. I don't think it does. At least, Dreamweaver 8 didn't. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306457 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> > The only thing I had in CFEclipse that I'd like to see in > > Dreamweaver is the ability to get a list of methods in a CFC > > Since Dreamweaver 8 at least, you can browse all components on your server > (through RDS) using the Components panel in the Application panel group. Thanks for the reminder, Dave. RDS seems like an awful lot of effort to go through to get a list of simple strings that already exist in a document that I have open in front of me. I'm not really looking for full introspection. But I decided to go have another look at the application panel 'cause I hadn't looked at it in a while and realized that I have RDS disabled... So I edited my web.xml and fidgeted with dreamweaver and got it working... and it still sucks... Yeah, I can click on a method and go straight to it, but... a) I have to have RDS running to do it and b) I have to wade through *hundreds* of files on my server, not just the handful of components in my current project, much less just the one file I happen to have open and in focus right now. The former might be more useful to me -- the latter would absolutely be more useful to me. At least for the time being, the RDS option just seems to me like it's not worth the hassle. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306456 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Just out of curiosity, does DW does XML Schema Validation or code hinting based of an Xml Schema? (Not DTD) It looks like it does, but just looking for confirmation. Mark On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I looked earlier and believe I have 3.3.2 > > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Dominic Watson < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >The search functionality of Eclipse has always been something I felt was >> >lacking. There was a thread on here a month or back where someone >> mentioned >> >it had been changed finally, not sure if that change is in the current >> >stable version or in one of the others. I did install Eclipse along with >> >CFEclipse and a few other things just a couple weeks ago and do not recall >> >the search page being different for me but I also can not recall if I have >> >searched for anything in it since I only use that setup on one of my >> >machines and not a whole lot. >> >> Yeh, I have the stable release of Eclipse 3.4 (Ganymede) and the >> search works great. >> >> To Qing: >> >> Select the project/folder want to search in the navigator view and hit >> CTRL-H (or there maybe a torch icon somewhere in your toolbars). In >> the dialog that opens you can then select the 'scope' of the search >> which should default to 'Selected resources' in this case. >> >> Dominic >> >> >> >> 2008/5/30 Phillip Vector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > BAH! I'm a Notepad.exe man myself. >> > >> > (To any employers out there, the above is a joke). :) >> > >> > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Massimo Foti >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Hard to believe they don't offer a "don't touch my code" option. Seems >> >>> like >> >>> it would be so simple, and so valuable to programmers. >> >> >> >> I don't think it would be that easy to implement such a feature in DW, >> but I >> >> am just guessing. >> >> Anyway, programmers aren't DW's main target market. >> >> >> >> Massimo >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306455 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> In the DW prefs, you can specify a list of file types that should > only be opened in code view. Oh strange... at first I thought to myself "yeah, I've seen that setting" and was pretty sure the cf extensions were in there, but then I figured since you mentioned it I may as well double check before I respond. I'd have thought at a minimum, .cfc and .cfr would have been in that list by default but I guess they're not... so we'll see if that resolves my issue with design view popping open on its own. Thanks for the reminder. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306454 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> Well, I'm surprised. As I said, I tease DW a lot, but I accept that > other people use it because it matches their style. Frankly, after > hearing this, I can't believe _anyone_ would use it. Maybe I'm > throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but if you can't trust your > editor to leave your darn code alone, then to me it is 100% worthless. You can set all this in the preferences: Edit -> Preferences -> Code Rewriting Check "Never Rewrite Code" Then you can set which types of files to not touch with a list of file extensions. -- Josh ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306453 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
In the DW prefs, you can specify a list of file types that should only be opened in code view. _ From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 5/30/2008 6:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? > Well, I'm surprised. As I said, I tease DW a lot, but I accept that > other people use it because it matches their style. Frankly, after > hearing this, I can't believe _anyone_ would use it. Maybe I'm > throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but if you can't trust your > editor to leave your darn code alone, then to me it is 100% worthless. The first time I tried to use Dreamweaver, a good number of years ago mind you (prior to the MX brand), I had the unpleasant experience of one or two of my code templates mangled. So of course I immediately stopped using it. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306452 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
> The only thing I had in CFEclipse that I'd like to see in > Dreamweaver is the ability to get a list of methods in a CFC Since Dreamweaver 8 at least, you can browse all components on your server (through RDS) using the Components panel in the Application panel group. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306448 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> Well, I'm surprised. As I said, I tease DW a lot, but I accept that > other people use it because it matches their style. Frankly, after > hearing this, I can't believe _anyone_ would use it. Maybe I'm > throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but if you can't trust your > editor to leave your darn code alone, then to me it is 100% worthless. The first time I tried to use Dreamweaver, a good number of years ago mind you (prior to the MX brand), I had the unpleasant experience of one or two of my code templates mangled. So of course I immediately stopped using it. I tried it again much later either just before or just after the release of Dreamweaver MX and have never had that problem since then. The only thing that bothers me consistently in Dreamweaver 8 is the fact that I can't prevent it from continually and gratuitously opening the design view on its own. I had asked about the ability to just disable the design view (which, in spite of what Massimo and other say about the impossibility of having Dreamweaver not touch the code), should be pretty darn simple -- nothing would have to change even _except_ that the design view button would go away (and presumably it would stop opening on its own). The design view actually is the feature that had mangled my code those years ago the first time I had tried it, but given that it opens on its own, constantly (dozens if not hundreds of times per day), and it's not mangled any of my code in the several years since the release of MX, I'd say it's pretty safe now. At the office now I have a new annoyance, which is repeated alert boxes in Dreamweaver to let me know that some inadequately explained Spry thing isn't the way it ought to be. Generally speaking I'm not so horribly offended by that, given that I haven't cared for really much of any of what I've seen of Spry. (Check out my blog -- I've ranted several times in the past month or so.) In general I'm happy with Dreamweaver. Last year when I was working in Portland, I was asked to work in Eclipse and I did for about 6 months, but I never got to a point where I enjoyed it. All told I found that it really just made my job more difficult and increased the amount of time it took me to get things done. At the end of the day, I'd much rather say that I got some work done, rather than that I figured out something new (and usually frustrating) about Eclipse. I've heard that they've improved the search feature, which was one of my bigger complaints at the time, although I haven't gone back and looked at it since then. The only thing I had in CFEclipse that I'd like to see in Dreamweaver is the ability to get a list of methods in a CFC -- which is a very minor thing for me, certainly a lot less important than the fact that the multi-file search in Eclipse is untrustworthy (or at least was when I was using it). But if I were still having problems with Dreamweaver mangling my code, I definitely wouldn't be using it every day either. I'd be "toughing it out" with Eclipse or I'd move back to something else like Homesite+ or maybe I'd give jEdit another try. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 617.365.5732 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306446 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
> Well, I'm surprised. As I said, I tease DW a lot, but I > accept that other people use it because it matches their > style. Frankly, after hearing this, I can't believe _anyone_ > would use it. Maybe I'm throwing the baby out with the > bathwater, but if you can't trust your editor to leave your > darn code alone, then to me it is 100% worthless. The vast majority of Dreamweaver users don't encounter this problem. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306445 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Maybe if you rant about it enough it can be fuel for the SS :) I think you are making a bigger issue out of it than it really is. If it was such a big issue I would think we would see people complaining about it quite often or at least some. It sounds like the problem happens more specific to editing XML files and perhaps the issue does not get experienced much because people edit XML files in something else or perhaps just do not use them much or perhaps it has to be something very specific in the files to cause the rewrite. One of our inhouse built frameworks uses a lot of XML files and like I mentioned before there is only one small case in all of those where DW changes the file without prompting the person and out of all the projects that framework is used and all the people who are involved with those, there is just me and one other person who have experienced it and the change is something one could overlook because the framework throws an error when it happens. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I'm surprised. As I said, I tease DW a lot, but I accept that > other people use it because it matches their style. Frankly, after > hearing this, I can't believe _anyone_ would use it. Maybe I'm > throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but if you can't trust your > editor to leave your darn code alone, then to me it is 100% worthless. > > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Massimo Foti > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hard to believe they don't offer a "don't touch my code" option. Seems > >> like > >> it would be so simple, and so valuable to programmers. > > > > I don't think it would be that easy to implement such a feature in DW, > but I > > am just guessing. > > Anyway, programmers aren't DW's main target market. > > > > -- > === > Raymond Camden, VP of Software Dev, Broadchoice > > Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com > AOL IM : cfjedimaster > > Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306438 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> I open a .cfm document. Type: followed by hit enter, to accept the selection, DW inserts Got it! I had to first change my preferences for code hints, I had the second radio button checked, had to check the first. Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306432 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
Nope. No custom tag libraries. I open a .cfm document. Type: followed by m!ke -Original Message- From: Massimo Foti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? > It is. Weird... I can't reproduce the problem. Do you have custom tag libraries defined for those tags? Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306430 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Not sure about open files, but you can define persistent "working sets", which can include a few projects, or just selected folders within one project, then search on that. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I could be wrong but I think he wants to be able to make the search just > search in a folder that is within a project but not the other folders in > that project. I am sure it can be done via the ctrl-h search screen, > although looking at it right now I do not see how it is done but probably > just lack of experience with it on my part. > > How do you run a search that only searches currently opened files? > > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> CTRL + H brings up the search all selected projects dialog box. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Qing Xia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 11:09 AM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: Re: Best CF editor? >> >> Hello folks: >> >> I am a newbie with CFEclilpse. I installed it about a week ago and so far, >> I am loving it. :-) Like most open-source product though, there is a >> dizzing >> array of help information online, but most of them are for advanced stuff, >> whereas I am only looking for tips to get me started. >> Would anyone recommend a good online resource for CFEclipse, please? >> >> For example, how on earth can I do an Extended Search like the one you are >> able to do in HomeSite+, by specifying a folder to search in? >> >> Tracy Xia >> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> > Any second now someone is going to invoke Godwin's law. >> > >> > > On Friday 30 May 2008, Gerald Guido wrote: >> > > > > because of the Eclipse gestapo. >> > > > I am sorry. The WHAT? The Eclipse gestapo? You HAVE to be kidding me. >> > > >> > > >> > > Oh, no, everyone who uses Eclipse is a member of the Thousand Year >> > > Riche. >> > > Oh yes. >> > > >> > > Let me just check my suitcase for Scotch on the Rocks >> > > Laptop: check >> > > Wash bag: check >> > > Sharp suit: check >> > > Long coat (black): check >> > > SS cap: check >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Tom Chiverton >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. >> > > >> > > Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in >> > > England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered >> > > office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, >> > > Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available >> > > for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner >> > > in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. >> > > Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. >> > > >> > > CONFIDENTIALITY >> > > >> > > This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above >> > > and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the >> > > addressee you must not read it and must not use any information >> > > contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells >> > > LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have >> > > received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells >> > > LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. >> > > >> > > For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306428 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> It is. Weird... I can't reproduce the problem. Do you have custom tag libraries defined for those tags? Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306427 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best CF editor?
It is. -- Edit > Preferences > Code Format Be sure "override case of tags" is unchecked. Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306426 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> For example, if you are writing XMl tags within a .cfm file. DW will > want to either upper-case or lower-case the XML. > > Our Cisco phones require mixed-case XML tags such as , > , , etc. > > When I close the XML tags by typing " lower-case. > > I have filed a bug with Adobe regarding this issue. Edit > Preferences > Code Format Be sure "override case of tags" is unchecked. Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306425 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
The only time I have noticed any problems with DW "fixing" code is when you are using XML tags within a file that does not have .xml as the extension. (This doesn't mean this is the only way DW changes code, I'm just saying this is the only way it has affected me.) For example, if you are writing XMl tags within a .cfm file. DW will want to either upper-case or lower-case the XML. Our Cisco phones require mixed-case XML tags such as , , , etc. When I close the XML tags by typing "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? Well, I'm surprised. As I said, I tease DW a lot, but I accept that other people use it because it matches their style. Frankly, after hearing this, I can't believe _anyone_ would use it. Maybe I'm throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but if you can't trust your editor to leave your darn code alone, then to me it is 100% worthless. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306422 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
Well, I'm surprised. As I said, I tease DW a lot, but I accept that other people use it because it matches their style. Frankly, after hearing this, I can't believe _anyone_ would use it. Maybe I'm throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but if you can't trust your editor to leave your darn code alone, then to me it is 100% worthless. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Massimo Foti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hard to believe they don't offer a "don't touch my code" option. Seems >> like >> it would be so simple, and so valuable to programmers. > > I don't think it would be that easy to implement such a feature in DW, but I > am just guessing. > Anyway, programmers aren't DW's main target market. > -- === Raymond Camden, VP of Software Dev, Broadchoice Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306414 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
I looked earlier and believe I have 3.3.2 On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Dominic Watson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >The search functionality of Eclipse has always been something I felt was > >lacking. There was a thread on here a month or back where someone > mentioned > >it had been changed finally, not sure if that change is in the current > >stable version or in one of the others. I did install Eclipse along with > >CFEclipse and a few other things just a couple weeks ago and do not recall > >the search page being different for me but I also can not recall if I have > >searched for anything in it since I only use that setup on one of my > >machines and not a whole lot. > > Yeh, I have the stable release of Eclipse 3.4 (Ganymede) and the > search works great. > > To Qing: > > Select the project/folder want to search in the navigator view and hit > CTRL-H (or there maybe a torch icon somewhere in your toolbars). In > the dialog that opens you can then select the 'scope' of the search > which should default to 'Selected resources' in this case. > > Dominic > > > > 2008/5/30 Phillip Vector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > BAH! I'm a Notepad.exe man myself. > > > > (To any employers out there, the above is a joke). :) > > > > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Massimo Foti > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Hard to believe they don't offer a "don't touch my code" option. Seems > >>> like > >>> it would be so simple, and so valuable to programmers. > >> > >> I don't think it would be that easy to implement such a feature in DW, > but I > >> am just guessing. > >> Anyway, programmers aren't DW's main target market. > >> > >> Massimo > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306406 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
>The search functionality of Eclipse has always been something I felt was >lacking. There was a thread on here a month or back where someone mentioned >it had been changed finally, not sure if that change is in the current >stable version or in one of the others. I did install Eclipse along with >CFEclipse and a few other things just a couple weeks ago and do not recall >the search page being different for me but I also can not recall if I have >searched for anything in it since I only use that setup on one of my >machines and not a whole lot. Yeh, I have the stable release of Eclipse 3.4 (Ganymede) and the search works great. To Qing: Select the project/folder want to search in the navigator view and hit CTRL-H (or there maybe a torch icon somewhere in your toolbars). In the dialog that opens you can then select the 'scope' of the search which should default to 'Selected resources' in this case. Dominic 2008/5/30 Phillip Vector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > BAH! I'm a Notepad.exe man myself. > > (To any employers out there, the above is a joke). :) > > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Massimo Foti > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hard to believe they don't offer a "don't touch my code" option. Seems >>> like >>> it would be so simple, and so valuable to programmers. >> >> I don't think it would be that easy to implement such a feature in DW, but I >> am just guessing. >> Anyway, programmers aren't DW's main target market. >> >> Massimo >> >> >> > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306403 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
BAH! I'm a Notepad.exe man myself. (To any employers out there, the above is a joke). :) On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Massimo Foti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hard to believe they don't offer a "don't touch my code" option. Seems >> like >> it would be so simple, and so valuable to programmers. > > I don't think it would be that easy to implement such a feature in DW, but I > am just guessing. > Anyway, programmers aren't DW's main target market. > > Massimo > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306399 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> Hard to believe they don't offer a "don't touch my code" option. Seems > like > it would be so simple, and so valuable to programmers. I don't think it would be that easy to implement such a feature in DW, but I am just guessing. Anyway, programmers aren't DW's main target market. Massimo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306397 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best CF editor?
Hard to believe they don't offer a "don't touch my code" option. Seems like it would be so simple, and so valuable to programmers. -Original Message- From: Massimo Foti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best CF editor? > But are you telling me - and I want to be clear here - that there is > NO way to fix this? That you CANNOT guarantee that DW won't change > your code? No, there is no way. It's the nature of the beast. DW automatically changes code for some "reasonable" reasons. For example, you open a new page, then add an image tag (either from code or design view) and point DW to a file. It creates something like: Then, as soon you save the page, DW "fixes" the path, making it relative to the location where you saved the page. The vast majority of times, those "fixes" work very well, on a few occasions, they don't. Unfortunately MM first, then Adobe, never added an option to "never touch by code", that would completely disable all these automatic functionality. No matter how much people like me or Tom Muck lobbied for it. Translators have been another problematic area too, yet they are critical to the way DW works, and they kick in both in Code or Design View. > I mean I knew DW had issues with code in the past, but Code View was > supposed to leave stuff alone. "Code View is safe" it's just urban legend, I keep saying this since many, many years (check list's archive). Seems like people don't believe me, if I am considered a DW expert... Don't get me wrong, I am not saying DW is crap, I am just saying you better be aware of its shortcoming. As I said, I use both DW and Eclipse at the very same time, as they stand, both are quite far from being the CFML IDE I am looking for. Massimo Foti, web-programmer for hire Tools for ColdFusion, JavaScript and Dreamweaver: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306395 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> What are some examples of it doing it to non-xml documents? The CF-related examples I was aware of were all fixed in the last 3-4 releases. But I am not willing to bet there are more I am just not aware of. I hope there is no need for me to explain I have no anti-DW bias. I would imagine my curriculum speaks for me. I am just realistic. Massimo Foti, web-programmer for hire Tools for ColdFusion, JavaScript and Dreamweaver: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306392 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best CF editor?
> But are you telling me - and I want to be clear here - that there is > NO way to fix this? That you CANNOT guarantee that DW won't change > your code? No, there is no way. It's the nature of the beast. DW automatically changes code for some "reasonable" reasons. For example, you open a new page, then add an image tag (either from code or design view) and point DW to a file. It creates something like: Then, as soon you save the page, DW "fixes" the path, making it relative to the location where you saved the page. The vast majority of times, those "fixes" work very well, on a few occasions, they don't. Unfortunately MM first, then Adobe, never added an option to "never touch by code", that would completely disable all these automatic functionality. No matter how much people like me or Tom Muck lobbied for it. Translators have been another problematic area too, yet they are critical to the way DW works, and they kick in both in Code or Design View. > I mean I knew DW had issues with code in the past, but Code View was > supposed to leave stuff alone. "Code View is safe" it's just urban legend, I keep saying this since many, many years (check list's archive). Seems like people don't believe me, if I am considered a DW expert... Don't get me wrong, I am not saying DW is crap, I am just saying you better be aware of its shortcoming. As I said, I use both DW and Eclipse at the very same time, as they stand, both are quite far from being the CFML IDE I am looking for. Massimo Foti, web-programmer for hire Tools for ColdFusion, JavaScript and Dreamweaver: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306393 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
