RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:09 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo
> 
> On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 04:30 PM, Sean A Corfield wrote:
> 
> > On Wednesday, Jul 9, 2003, at 13:24 US/Pacific, Joshua Miller wrote:
> >> Anyone know a roundabout, approximate, not-held-to-anything-legal,
> >> guesstimate release date?
> >
> > I think Christian said "this summer"...
> 
> "This summer" is as specific as we can be at this point.  It's not so
> much that it's "top secret" information as the fact that we won't
> release it until we are certain it's ready.

After spending some time with "Tomb Radier: The Angel of Darkness" I really
wish that Eidos had said the same thing.  (Actually they DID say the same
thing... they just LIED!)  ;^)

Jim Davis


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Re: I knew your name was Neo

[Christian Cantrell]

On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 04:30 PM, Sean A Corfield wrote:

> On Wednesday, Jul 9, 2003, at 13:24 US/Pacific, Joshua Miller wrote:
>> Anyone know a roundabout, approximate, not-held-to-anything-legal,
>> guesstimate release date?
>
> I think Christian said "this summer"...

"This summer" is as specific as we can be at this point.  It's not so 
much that it's "top secret" information as the fact that we won't 
release it until we are certain it's ready.

Christian

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Re: I knew your name was Neo

[Calvin Ward]

I'll plus one this as well!

Very excited!

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> > is being treated more like an updater. I've been upgrading machines
> > left, right and center to the latest available Red Sky build and I'm
> > very happy with it. I can't say any more than that.
> >
>
> I just want to plus one this. I don't think it's a violation of the NDA
> to say I'm _very_ psyched about RedSky.
>
> 
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Re: I knew your name was Neo

[Scott Brady]

-- Original Message --
From: Sean A Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>I think Christian said "this summer"...

So, those of you in Australia have to wait until at least December . . . . :)


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Re: I knew your name was Neo

[Sean A Corfield]

On Wednesday, Jul 9, 2003, at 13:24 US/Pacific, Joshua Miller wrote:
> Anyone know a roundabout, approximate, not-held-to-anything-legal,
> guesstimate release date?

I think Christian said "this summer"...

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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Joshua Miller]

Anyone know a roundabout, approximate, not-held-to-anything-legal,
guesstimate release date?

Thanks,

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-Original Message-
From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo


On Wednesday, Jul 9, 2003, at 12:42 US/Pacific, Tony Weeg wrote:
> oh, cool.  so its not a *MAJOR RELEASE* more of a consummate updater 
> with lots of bug fixes...?

I think a lot of people will feel it is a major release - even tho' it 
is being treated more like an updater. I've been upgrading machines 
left, right and center to the latest available Red Sky build and I'm 
very happy with it. I can't say any more than that.

Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/

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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Raymond Camden]

> is being treated more like an updater. I've been upgrading machines 
> left, right and center to the latest available Red Sky build and I'm 
> very happy with it. I can't say any more than that.
> 

I just want to plus one this. I don't think it's a violation of the NDA
to say I'm _very_ psyched about RedSky.


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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Tony Weeg]

same here...i have it on my two dev boxes, and with three (2 maybe)
betas
and 1 rc, no problems iis/win2k server/cfmx(redSky) rock-n-f**kin
ro man

tony weeg
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-Original Message-
From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo


On Wednesday, Jul 9, 2003, at 12:42 US/Pacific, Tony Weeg wrote:
> oh, cool.  so its not a *MAJOR RELEASE* more of a consummate updater 
> with lots of bug fixes...?

I think a lot of people will feel it is a major release - even tho' it 
is being treated more like an updater. I've been upgrading machines 
left, right and center to the latest available Red Sky build and I'm 
very happy with it. I can't say any more than that.

Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/

"If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
-- Margaret Atwood


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Re: I knew your name was Neo

[Sean A Corfield]

On Wednesday, Jul 9, 2003, at 12:42 US/Pacific, Tony Weeg wrote:
> oh, cool.  so its not a *MAJOR RELEASE* more of a consummate updater
> with lots of bug fixes...?

I think a lot of people will feel it is a major release - even tho' it 
is being treated more like an updater. I've been upgrading machines 
left, right and center to the latest available Red Sky build and I'm 
very happy with it. I can't say any more than that.

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Re: I knew your name was Neo

[Michael Dinowitz]

Both. Redsky is nice and I'm using it live on a site already
(www.lotauctions.com). It has a lot of things that people will like and it'll be
a worthy upgrade. The release after that is also going to be fantastic.
I have to say this for those who think that MM is not focused on CF. They are.
They have plans for the language that will make us end users happy. They have
plans that will help expand its corporate market which will result in more jobs
for us. They have plans to make it connect better to things like Flash (Firefly
is really nice for non-Flash types).
I don't know all their plans but I do know that they are looking out for us.

And no, I don't work for MM and am not paid for the above. :)

> At 04:03 PM 7/9/03 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> >full major. Once they put in  then
> >it'll be
> >totally fantastic. I'm really looking forward to the next release.
>
> Do you mean you are really looking forward to the RedSky release, or the
> release after that?
>
> T
>
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Re: I knew your name was Neo

[jon hall]

>From what I know not being part of the beta, I've been thinking of
RedSky as CF v6.5.

-- 
 jon
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Wednesday, July 9, 2003, 3:42:25 PM, you wrote:
TW> oh, cool.  so its not a *MAJOR RELEASE* more of a consummate updater
TW> with lots of bug fixes...?

TW> tony weeg
TW> uncertified advanced cold fusion developer
TW> tony at navtrak dot net
TW> www.navtrak.net
TW> office 410.548.2337
TW> fax 410.860.2337


TW> -Original Message-
TW> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
TW> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:43 PM
TW> To: CF-Talk
TW> Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo


TW> RedSky is a free upgrade for those who have a registered copy of CFMX.
TW> Its basically the same as updater 3, 2 and 1.


>> > I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia 
>> > absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a 
>> > huge improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many 
>> > other areas, as well.  Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of 
>> > time and energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than
>>
>> Giving it away for free? What are you saying?  RedSky will be a free 
>> application server?
>>
>> 

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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Raymond Camden]

I can say there are a lot of nice CFC fixes (was given specific
permission to mention them at mx on the rocks and cffun). You can
download my presentations sometime later today (been lazy) or right now
from cfconf.org/cfun-03 (or something like that). 


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> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 2:03 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo
> 
> 
> Well, the upgrades to specific things that I can't mention 
> makes it somewhere between a bug fix and a major release. 
> More on the major side, but not exactly full major. Once they 
> put in  then it'll be 
> totally fantastic. I'm really looking forward to the next release.
> 
> 
> > oh, cool.  so its not a *MAJOR RELEASE* more of a 
> consummate updater 
> > with lots of bug fixes...?
> >
> > tony weeg




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Re: I knew your name was Neo

[Thane Sherrington]

At 04:03 PM 7/9/03 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>full major. Once they put in  then 
>it'll be
>totally fantastic. I'm really looking forward to the next release.

Do you mean you are really looking forward to the RedSky release, or the 
release after that?

T

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Re: I knew your name was Neo

[Michael Dinowitz]

Well, the upgrades to specific things that I can't mention makes it somewhere
between a bug fix and a major release. More on the major side, but not exactly
full major. Once they put in  then it'll be
totally fantastic. I'm really looking forward to the next release.


> oh, cool.  so its not a *MAJOR RELEASE* more of a consummate updater
> with lots of bug fixes...?
>
> tony weeg
> uncertified advanced cold fusion developer
> tony at navtrak dot net
> www.navtrak.net
> office 410.548.2337
> fax 410.860.2337
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:43 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo
>
>
> RedSky is a free upgrade for those who have a registered copy of CFMX.
> Its basically the same as updater 3, 2 and 1.
>
>
> > > I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia
> > > absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a
> > > huge improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many
> > > other areas, as well.  Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of
> > > time and energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than
> >
> > Giving it away for free? What are you saying?  RedSky will be a free
> > application server?
> >
> >
>
> 
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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Angel Stewart]

*dresses in party attire with little island hat*
*wiggles excitedly*
*grabs for confetti to throw into air*

When! When! When!

*bounces around room*

When when!
Is there going to be a party?
Am I invited???
...
...
...
Will it be Free Drinks?
^_^

-Gel

-Original Message-
From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia 
absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a huge 
improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many other 
areas, as well.  Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of time and 
energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than working on 
an entirely new version of the product precisely because we have been 
taking note, and we realized that RedSky was the right move.

Believe me when I say that RedSky is something for us to get very 
excited about.

Christian


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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Tony Weeg]

oh, cool.  so its not a *MAJOR RELEASE* more of a consummate updater
with lots of bug fixes...?

tony weeg
uncertified advanced cold fusion developer
tony at navtrak dot net
www.navtrak.net
office 410.548.2337
fax 410.860.2337


-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo


RedSky is a free upgrade for those who have a registered copy of CFMX.
Its basically the same as updater 3, 2 and 1.


> > I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia 
> > absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a 
> > huge improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many 
> > other areas, as well.  Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of 
> > time and energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than
>
> Giving it away for free? What are you saying?  RedSky will be a free 
> application server?
>
> 

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Re: I knew your name was Neo

[Michael Dinowitz]

RedSky is a free upgrade for those who have a registered copy of CFMX. Its
basically the same as updater 3, 2 and 1.


> > I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia
> > absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a huge
> > improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many other
> > areas, as well.  Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of time and
> > energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than
>
> Giving it away for free? What are you saying?  RedSky will be a free
> application server?
>
> 
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Re: I knew your name was Neo

[Frank Mamone]

Same rules as CFMX Updaters. So, if you have a legal registered copy it will
be free for you.

-Frank

- Original Message -
From: "Ben Koshy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:31 PM
Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo


> > I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia
> > absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a huge
> > improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many other
> > areas, as well.  Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of time and
> > energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than
>
> Giving it away for free? What are you saying?  RedSky will be a free
> application server?
>
> 
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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Ben Koshy]

> I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia 
> absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a huge 
> improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many other 
> areas, as well.  Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of time and 
> energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than 

Giving it away for free? What are you saying?  RedSky will be a free
application server?

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Re: I knew your name was Neo

[Calvin Ward]

I don't see the value in your continuing to bemoan about how frustrated your
experience was.

Did you have a specfic *technical* issue or question that the users of this
list can help you address, or are you just venting?

- Calvin

- Original Message - 
From: "Mahmut Basaran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 6:53 AM
Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo


> I know that email wasn't in a perfect taste, but problems macromedia
caused since the first release of cfmx wasn't in great taste either. CF mx
was supposed to be the coolest coldfusion ever, but I think it's the worst
release ever.
>
> Coldfusion was famous with ease of use in all terms, but mx changed the
way it was. I signed up for this list when I was using 4.5. At these days,
when someone sent an email saying cf is crashing people here were
recommending to check server's memory. But now
>
> Hopefully, red sky doesn't mean acid rain...
>
> Another beautiful day in Central Anatolia has just begun,
>
> Mahmut Basaran
>
>
> > Mahmut,
> >
> > While I also agree that your email was in bad taste...I do also have to
> > agree with most things you said.  I think most people on this list went
> > through what you've gone through.  I can't even count the number of
> > posts to cf-talk that asked about the real-cache issue.
> >
> > We shouldn't have to codger and tweak and coax an application server to
> > "work".  CF-5 was fantastic, simple installation.  I seriously believe
> > that Macromedia dropped the ball big time with the CFMX release...it
> > wasn't ready.  Updater 3 seems to have resolved most of the major
> > issues.  Not a great start for early adopters though.  I hope they're
> > taking note... I figure for every angry CFMX poster out there... There
> > must be hundreds that haven't posted or even read CF-Talk.
> >
> > Here's hoping Red-Sky addresses some of our concerns.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Ben.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:16 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Michael,
> > >
> > > You know, you sometimes need to tell this to others. I have
> > > been using coldfusion since version 4. I remember the first
> > > time I installed 4.0, very first one. It just worked. Then I
> > > read the 1st chapter in cfdoc, and typed in the commands.
> > > Then it worked too. Installation and 1st .cfm page didn't
> > > take longer than 1 hour. Funny things was, It was the first
> > > time I used a server-side scripting language. I have been
> > > using cf for a while and a member of cftalk for a while too,
> > > I really like them both.
> > >
> > > But you know, after spending 10 hours for nothing, it doesn't
> > > add too much to send such an email. That's why I did it.
> > >
> > > Have a great day,
> > >
> > > Mahmut
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Michael Tangorre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo
> > >
> > >
> > > Was that email really necessary? Is being a total smart
> > > ass-jerk going to resolve any of your issues? It sucks you
> > > had so many problems, but please do not act like a child. The
> > > cf-talk list is available to help you and work with you. MX
> > > is not perfect, but its getting there.  Don't give up yet. Mike
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:19 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: I knew your name was Neo
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Macromedia,
> > >
> > > How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know
> > > what happened last night..
> > >
> > > I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that.
> > > I spent more than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried
> > > several installs and uninstalls (which takes longer than
> > > install), and after performing several reformats I found out
> > > the problem was the locale setting of Windows

RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Costas Piliotis]

Yay!  Redhat 8 and 9 support!  Finally :)



-Original Message-
From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo


On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 04:13 AM, Ben Koshy wrote:

> Updater 3 seems to have resolved most of the major
> issues.  Not a great start for early adopters though.  I hope they're 
> taking note...

I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia 
absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a huge 
improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many other 
areas, as well.  Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of time and 
energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than working on 
an entirely new version of the product precisely because we have been 
taking note, and we realized that RedSky was the right move.

Believe me when I say that RedSky is something for us to get very 
excited about.

Christian


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Re: I knew your name was Neo

[Christian Cantrell]

On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 04:13 AM, Ben Koshy wrote:

> Updater 3 seems to have resolved most of the major
> issues.  Not a great start for early adopters though.  I hope they're
> taking note...

I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia 
absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a huge 
improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many other 
areas, as well.  Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of time and 
energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than working on 
an entirely new version of the product precisely because we have been 
taking note, and we realized that RedSky was the right move.

Believe me when I say that RedSky is something for us to get very 
excited about.

Christian

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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Matt Robertson]

Ben said,
>I think most people on this list went
>through what you've gone through.  

I would amend that to read "I think most people ~who complained~ on this
list went through what you've gone through."

RTFA(rchives) already.  Can we beat this subject more to death?  Maybe
another 20 posts endlessly debating nothing, and saying nothing that
hasn't already been said 400 times in 1 or 2 different ways?  With
another CFMX visible on the horizon, I bet MM gets it by now.


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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Angel Stewart]

Well...I think they know that at Macromedia and have said here and over
on CF-Community (the few brave MM employees that venture there hee hee)
that they are working on the installation procedure to make it a little
more seamless.

Correct...here's hoping on RedSky! ^_^

-Gel


-Original Message-
From: Ben Koshy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Mahmut,

While I also agree that your email was in bad taste...I do also have to
agree with most things you said.  I think most people on this list went
through what you've gone through.  I can't even count the number of
posts to cf-talk that asked about the real-cache issue.

We shouldn't have to codger and tweak and coax an application server to
"work".  CF-5 was fantastic, simple installation.  I seriously believe
that Macromedia dropped the ball big time with the CFMX release...it
wasn't ready.  Updater 3 seems to have resolved most of the major
issues.  Not a great start for early adopters though.  I hope they're
taking note... I figure for every angry CFMX poster out there... There
must be hundreds that haven't posted or even read CF-Talk.  

Here's hoping Red-Sky addresses some of our concerns.

Sincerely,

Ben.


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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Mahmut Basaran]

I know that email wasn't in a perfect taste, but problems macromedia caused since the 
first release of cfmx wasn't in great taste either. CF mx was supposed to be the 
coolest coldfusion ever, but I think it's the worst release ever. 

Coldfusion was famous with ease of use in all terms, but mx changed the way it was. I 
signed up for this list when I was using 4.5. At these days, when someone sent an 
email saying cf is crashing people here were recommending to check server's memory. 
But now 

Hopefully, red sky doesn't mean acid rain... 

Another beautiful day in Central Anatolia has just begun, 

Mahmut Basaran 


> Mahmut,
> 
> While I also agree that your email was in bad taste...I do also have to
> agree with most things you said.  I think most people on this list went
> through what you've gone through.  I can't even count the number of
> posts to cf-talk that asked about the real-cache issue.
> 
> We shouldn't have to codger and tweak and coax an application server to
> "work".  CF-5 was fantastic, simple installation.  I seriously believe
> that Macromedia dropped the ball big time with the CFMX release...it
> wasn't ready.  Updater 3 seems to have resolved most of the major
> issues.  Not a great start for early adopters though.  I hope they're
> taking note... I figure for every angry CFMX poster out there... There
> must be hundreds that haven't posted or even read CF-Talk.  
> 
> Here's hoping Red-Sky addresses some of our concerns.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Ben.
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:16 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Michael,
> > 
> > You know, you sometimes need to tell this to others. I have 
> > been using coldfusion since version 4. I remember the first 
> > time I installed 4.0, very first one. It just worked. Then I 
> > read the 1st chapter in cfdoc, and typed in the commands. 
> > Then it worked too. Installation and 1st .cfm page didn't 
> > take longer than 1 hour. Funny things was, It was the first 
> > time I used a server-side scripting language. I have been 
> > using cf for a while and a member of cftalk for a while too, 
> > I really like them both.
> > 
> > But you know, after spending 10 hours for nothing, it doesn't 
> > add too much to send such an email. That's why I did it.
> > 
> > Have a great day,
> > 
> > Mahmut
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Michael Tangorre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:45 PM
> > Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo
> > 
> > 
> > Was that email really necessary? Is being a total smart 
> > ass-jerk going to resolve any of your issues? It sucks you 
> > had so many problems, but please do not act like a child. The 
> > cf-talk list is available to help you and work with you. MX 
> > is not perfect, but its getting there.  Don't give up yet. Mike
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:19 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: I knew your name was Neo
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Macromedia,
> > 
> > How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know 
> > what happened last night..
> > 
> > I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that. 
> > I spent more than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried 
> > several installs and uninstalls (which takes longer than 
> > install), and after performing several reformats I found out 
> > the problem was the locale setting of Windows 2000 Server 
> > (which was set to Turkish during install).
> > 
> > Thank you Macromedia for your great Jrun engine.
> > Thank you for asking me if I would like to install your 
> > webserver (which you do not recommend for production) that 
> > runs on port 8500. Thank you for your locale support. Thank 
> > you for not letting me know about the real-cache attribute on 
> > my very first install. Thank you for COM problems after I 
> > upgrade from version 4.5 to mx. Thank you for making me wait 
> > 10ms each time I refresh my code. Thank you for your great 
> > Jrun connector. Thank you for your perfect Flash Remoting 
> > add-ons. Thank you for your cfmail which sends mail with a 
> > 15sec delay. Thank you for your consuming at least 

RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Aidan Whitehall]

> I seriously believe
> that Macromedia dropped the ball big time with the CFMX release...it
> wasn't ready.

I think it's fair to say that CFMX was released when it was it was to
coincide with the release of all the other -MX level applications. As
such, it's release date was dictated more by the pressures of getting a
product into the marketplace than it's production-worthiness.

I love CFMX. It's opened so many new doors to all CF developers -- it's
an amazing step forward. However, whilst appreciating that the product
under the hood was a complete rewrite, I personally feel there were too
many unresolved issues with the first release for it to have been
considered sufficiently ready.

Having said that, a director once said, "films are never finished, just
abandoned". The same is true of software and when you start discussing
whether something is ready or not, you're getting into the realms of a
discussion that can never be resolved.


-- 
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Macromedia ColdFusion Developer
Fairbanks Environmental Ltd  +44 (0)1695 51775
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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Ben Koshy]

Mahmut,

While I also agree that your email was in bad taste...I do also have to
agree with most things you said.  I think most people on this list went
through what you've gone through.  I can't even count the number of
posts to cf-talk that asked about the real-cache issue.

We shouldn't have to codger and tweak and coax an application server to
"work".  CF-5 was fantastic, simple installation.  I seriously believe
that Macromedia dropped the ball big time with the CFMX release...it
wasn't ready.  Updater 3 seems to have resolved most of the major
issues.  Not a great start for early adopters though.  I hope they're
taking note... I figure for every angry CFMX poster out there... There
must be hundreds that haven't posted or even read CF-Talk.  

Here's hoping Red-Sky addresses some of our concerns.

Sincerely,

Ben.



> -Original Message-
> From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:16 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo
> 
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> You know, you sometimes need to tell this to others. I have 
> been using coldfusion since version 4. I remember the first 
> time I installed 4.0, very first one. It just worked. Then I 
> read the 1st chapter in cfdoc, and typed in the commands. 
> Then it worked too. Installation and 1st .cfm page didn't 
> take longer than 1 hour. Funny things was, It was the first 
> time I used a server-side scripting language. I have been 
> using cf for a while and a member of cftalk for a while too, 
> I really like them both.
> 
> But you know, after spending 10 hours for nothing, it doesn't 
> add too much to send such an email. That's why I did it.
> 
> Have a great day,
> 
> Mahmut
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michael Tangorre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:45 PM
> Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo
> 
> 
> Was that email really necessary? Is being a total smart 
> ass-jerk going to resolve any of your issues? It sucks you 
> had so many problems, but please do not act like a child. The 
> cf-talk list is available to help you and work with you. MX 
> is not perfect, but its getting there.  Don't give up yet. Mike
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:19 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: I knew your name was Neo
> 
> 
> Hi Macromedia,
> 
> How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know 
> what happened last night..
> 
> I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that. 
> I spent more than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried 
> several installs and uninstalls (which takes longer than 
> install), and after performing several reformats I found out 
> the problem was the locale setting of Windows 2000 Server 
> (which was set to Turkish during install).
> 
> Thank you Macromedia for your great Jrun engine.
> Thank you for asking me if I would like to install your 
> webserver (which you do not recommend for production) that 
> runs on port 8500. Thank you for your locale support. Thank 
> you for not letting me know about the real-cache attribute on 
> my very first install. Thank you for COM problems after I 
> upgrade from version 4.5 to mx. Thank you for making me wait 
> 10ms each time I refresh my code. Thank you for your great 
> Jrun connector. Thank you for your perfect Flash Remoting 
> add-ons. Thank you for your cfmail which sends mail with a 
> 15sec delay. Thank you for your consuming at least 30megs of 
> my server's memory with just sitting there. Thank you for 
> crashing the server each time someone uploads an infinite 
> loop or use mirror includes. Thank you for your "only" 140 
> megs installation. It's nice to know that cf is heavier than 
> php's 2meg installation but performs the same functions 
> (with/out addons). (list keeps going...)
> 
> and finally I would like to thank you for all the pain. Keep 
> up the good work and keep up coding with the ms style 
> "furnished" code. I'm curious to see the next episode.
> 
> You're the Best of Best! You're awesome!
> 
> 
> 
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Re: I knew your name was Neo

[Sean A Corfield]

On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 09:16 US/Pacific, Mahmut Basaran wrote:
> You know, you sometimes need to tell this to others. I have been using
> coldfusion since version 4. I remember the first time I installed 4.0, 
> very
> first one. It just worked.

I remember the first time I installed CFMX (pre-beta). It just worked. 
I can't count how many times I've installed CFMX now on Windows, Mac, 
Solaris, Linux, in Server and J2EE editions. And, you know, almost 
every single time, it just works. Amazing. Most of those installs have 
been done without even bothering to read the installation notes (so, 
hey, some of my initial J2EE installs were unsuccessful because I 
didn't RTFM - my bad). I've done a bunch of upgrades too... last night 
I upgraded two Solaris servers and a Mac laptop, today I upgraded two 
Windows 2000 servers and the Mac laptop again.

Now, I'd say that out of maybe a 100, maybe even 200, installs I've had 
just a handful go wrong (why so many? back in the day I was installing 
up to eight different builds of CFMX in a single day... the joys of 
beta-testing :)

I'm sorry you did not have a smooth install - as others pointed out, 
Macromedia offer free support for installation problems. You didn't say 
what sort of problems you encountered during the install, nor how you 
established it was due to the unsupported locale setting, but it sounds 
like you did eventually get it installed and working?

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Re: I knew your name was Neo

[Mahmut Basaran]

Hi Michael,

You know, you sometimes need to tell this to others. I have been using
coldfusion since version 4. I remember the first time I installed 4.0, very
first one. It just worked. Then I read the 1st chapter in cfdoc, and typed
in the commands. Then it worked too. Installation and 1st .cfm page didn't
take longer than 1 hour. Funny things was, It was the first time I used a
server-side scripting language. I have been using cf for a while and a
member of cftalk for a while too, I really like them both.

But you know, after spending 10 hours for nothing, it doesn't add too much
to send such an email. That's why I did it.

Have a great day,

Mahmut

- Original Message -
From: "Michael Tangorre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo


Was that email really necessary? Is being a total smart ass-jerk going to
resolve any of your issues? It sucks you had so many problems, but please do
not act like a child. The cf-talk list is available to help you and work
with you. MX is not perfect, but its getting there.  Don't give up yet.
Mike

-Original Message-
From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: I knew your name was Neo


Hi Macromedia,

How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know what happened
last night..

I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that. I spent more
than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried several installs and uninstalls
(which takes longer than install), and after performing several reformats I
found out the problem was the locale setting of Windows 2000 Server (which
was set to Turkish during install).

Thank you Macromedia for your great Jrun engine.
Thank you for asking me if I would like to install your webserver (which you
do not recommend for production) that runs on port 8500.
Thank you for your locale support.
Thank you for not letting me know about the real-cache attribute on my very
first install.
Thank you for COM problems after I upgrade from version 4.5 to mx.
Thank you for making me wait 10ms each time I refresh my code.
Thank you for your great Jrun connector.
Thank you for your perfect Flash Remoting add-ons.
Thank you for your cfmail which sends mail with a 15sec delay.
Thank you for your consuming at least 30megs of my server's memory with just
sitting there.
Thank you for crashing the server each time someone uploads an infinite loop
or use mirror includes.
Thank you for your "only" 140 megs installation. It's nice to know that cf
is heavier than php's 2meg installation but performs the same functions
(with/out addons).
(list keeps going...)

and finally I would like to thank you for all the pain. Keep up the good
work and keep up coding with the ms style "furnished" code. I'm curious to
see the next episode.

You're the Best of Best! You're awesome!


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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Richard Crawford]

At 02:03 PM 7/8/2003 +1000, you wrote:

>It takes a while to get used to CFMX, when I first installed it I also
>was very angry like you. It's quite a difference between the install of
>pre CFMX and MX. There is a lot more tweaking to be done with CFMX. But
>give it time and you'll start to love it. You'll just need a couple of
>weeks to find the right tweaks for your environment ;-))

I've discovered many of the tweaks for my own environment and I've finally 
got CFMX on top of J2EE stable.  More or less.  There is still far too much 
which is undocumented and kludgey, however, and I have yet to grow to like it.

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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Adam Reynolds]

I mean the number of times I've forgotten this and watched the weirdest
behaviour on the server (with the obligatory irate client or two calling
up).

I think you could be right. Having it as part of the install process would
be very useful.

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 July 2003 14:54
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo
>
>
> > I still don't understand why they don't assume multi-homed
> > is true.
>
> I would guess that most CFMX installs aren't multi-homed, which would
> perhaps justify their assumption. Apparently, there's some performance
> advantage to the default setting. I agree that it should be more clearly
> documented, and perhaps exposed and described during the installation.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> voice: (202) 797-5496
> fax: (202) 797-5444
>
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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Dave Watts]

> I still don't understand why they don't assume multi-homed 
> is true.

I would guess that most CFMX installs aren't multi-homed, which would
perhaps justify their assumption. Apparently, there's some performance
advantage to the default setting. I agree that it should be more clearly
documented, and perhaps exposed and described during the installation.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Adam Reynolds]

What did you do? Just upgrade your 4.5 to CFMX on your production
environment?

>From what I'm reading that is what you have done without testing this on
your test server first.

As to the size of the install. Erm have a look at exactly what you are
installing. There is a lot more 'content' to the CF install than to your
vanilla PHP install.





> -Original Message-
> From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 July 2003 03:19
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: I knew your name was Neo
>
>
> Hi Macromedia,
>
> How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know what
> happened last night..
>
> I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that. I
> spent more than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried several
> installs and uninstalls (which takes longer than install), and
> after performing several reformats I found out the problem was
> the locale setting of Windows 2000 Server (which was set to
> Turkish during install).
>
> Thank you Macromedia for your great Jrun engine.
> Thank you for asking me if I would like to install your webserver
> (which you do not recommend for production) that runs on port 8500.
> Thank you for your locale support.
> Thank you for not letting me know about the real-cache attribute
> on my very first install.
> Thank you for COM problems after I upgrade from version 4.5 to mx.
> Thank you for making me wait 10ms each time I refresh my code.
> Thank you for your great Jrun connector.
> Thank you for your perfect Flash Remoting add-ons.
> Thank you for your cfmail which sends mail with a 15sec delay.
> Thank you for your consuming at least 30megs of my server's
> memory with just sitting there.
> Thank you for crashing the server each time someone uploads an
> infinite loop or use mirror includes.
> Thank you for your "only" 140 megs installation. It's nice to
> know that cf is heavier than php's 2meg installation but performs
> the same functions (with/out addons).
> (list keeps going...)
>
> and finally I would like to thank you for all the pain. Keep up
> the good work and keep up coding with the ms style "furnished"
> code. I'm curious to see the next episode.
>
> You're the Best of Best! You're awesome!
>
> 
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Re: I knew your name was Neo

[Calvin Ward]

Did you contact MM for technical support when you had issues installing?

Additionally, PHP does not perform the same functions.

- Calvin

- Original Message - 
From: "Mahmut Basaran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:19 PM
Subject: I knew your name was Neo


> Hi Macromedia,
>
> How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know what happened
last night..
>
> I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that. I spent more
than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried several installs and uninstalls
(which takes longer than install), and after performing several reformats I
found out the problem was the locale setting of Windows 2000 Server (which
was set to Turkish during install).
>
> Thank you Macromedia for your great Jrun engine.
> Thank you for asking me if I would like to install your webserver (which
you do not recommend for production) that runs on port 8500.
> Thank you for your locale support.
> Thank you for not letting me know about the real-cache attribute on my
very first install.
> Thank you for COM problems after I upgrade from version 4.5 to mx.
> Thank you for making me wait 10ms each time I refresh my code.
> Thank you for your great Jrun connector.
> Thank you for your perfect Flash Remoting add-ons.
> Thank you for your cfmail which sends mail with a 15sec delay.
> Thank you for your consuming at least 30megs of my server's memory with
just sitting there.
> Thank you for crashing the server each time someone uploads an infinite
loop or use mirror includes.
> Thank you for your "only" 140 megs installation. It's nice to know that cf
is heavier than php's 2meg installation but performs the same functions
(with/out addons).
> (list keeps going...)
>
> and finally I would like to thank you for all the pain. Keep up the good
work and keep up coding with the ms style "furnished" code. I'm curious to
see the next episode.
>
> You're the Best of Best! You're awesome!
>
> 
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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Adam Reynolds]

Yeah,
I still don't understand why they don't assume multi-homed is true.

That is such a pain, and I awlways foget.

> -Original Message-
> From: Taco Fleur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 July 2003 05:03
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo
>
>
> Mahmut,
>
> It takes a while to get used to CFMX, when I first installed it I also
> was very angry like you. It's quite a difference between the install of
> pre CFMX and MX. There is a lot more tweaking to be done with CFMX. But
> give it time and you'll start to love it. You'll just need a couple of
> weeks to find the right tweaks for your environment ;-))
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 July 2003 1:06 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo
>
>
> You're welcome!
>
> Jim Davis.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:19 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: I knew your name was Neo
> >
> > Hi Macromedia,
> >
> > How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know what
> > happened last night..
> >
> > I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that. I spent
> > more than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried several installs and
> > uninstalls (which takes longer than install), and after performing
> > several reformats I found out the problem was the locale setting of
> > Windows 2000 Server (which was set to Turkish during install).
> >
> > Thank you Macromedia for your great Jrun engine.
> > Thank you for asking me if I would like to install your webserver
> > (which you do not recommend for production) that runs on port 8500.
> > Thank you for your locale support. Thank you for not letting me know
> > about the real-cache attribute on my very first install.
> > Thank you for COM problems after I upgrade from version 4.5 to mx.
> > Thank you for making me wait 10ms each time I refresh my code.
> > Thank you for your great Jrun connector.
> > Thank you for your perfect Flash Remoting add-ons.
> > Thank you for your cfmail which sends mail with a 15sec delay.
> > Thank you for your consuming at least 30megs of my server's memory
> with
> > just sitting there.
> > Thank you for crashing the server each time someone uploads an
> infinite
> > loop or use mirror includes.
> > Thank you for your "only" 140 megs installation. It's nice to know
> that cf
> > is heavier than php's 2meg installation but performs the same
> functions
> > (with/out addons).
> > (list keeps going...)
> >
> > and finally I would like to thank you for all the pain. Keep up the
> > good work and keep up coding with the ms style "furnished" code. I'm
> > curious to see the next episode.
> >
> > You're the Best of Best! You're awesome!
> >
> >
>
> 
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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:30 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo
> 
> >> VERY feature-rich administrator
> It's the greatest admin, missing "log file" link in first release was
> another great feature.

I thought so.

> >>  fail over
> Great feature, it definetly fails over on you from time to time. Good
> thing
> is it doesn't even tell you unless you type some weird commands during
> install.

"Weird commands"?  This from somebody promoting PHP?  I thought you folks
liked everything to be done from the command line?

> >> load balancing
> I'm not sure, I don't use it...

I'm sure.  I use it.

> >> many enterprise database drivers
> Which many don't use.

But some do... ALL software has grown in size due to features only some use.
It's called the 80/20 rule: you use 20 percent of any software packages
features 80 percent of the time.  It's more like the 90/10 now - but
SOMEBODY does use them.

Are you honestly suggesting that features be removed because only some
people use them?
 
> >> tons of samples
> Install them to your production server, and you'll have problems.

Install them to your development server and you'll have applications!

Again, are you saying that development tools should be left out of the
package simply because you wouldn't use them in production? 

> >> COM bridge
> I think it stands for Composite Oriented Malfunction. It performs it's job
> just great too.

Name me a Java engine that does it better.

> >> the Java run time
> http://www.middleware-company.com/j2eedotnetbench/report.shtml

And this means what, exactly?  Are you saying that this report shows that
somehow the Java run time is not needed for ColdFusion or are you starting
another argument?

I'm confused as your link, unless I'm missing something, actually has
nothing to with ColdFusion at all.  Here's a (much more entertaining) link
for you:

http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html

> >> lots of other crap
> Yeah, definetly. Lots of other crap to make it 140 megs.

I like the fact that you failed to mention many of other points: the K2
server, the charting engine, the advanced security engine, sandboxing, etc.

The simple fact is that if 140 meg is too much for you, then you need to
pick another tool.

I do admit however that the crazy-eyed baby may be a tiny waste of space...

Jim Davis


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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Tilbrook, Peter]

>> VERY feature-rich administrator
It's the greatest admin, missing "log file" link in first release was
another great feature.

Probably requires the Enterprise Edition

>>  fail over
>>Great feature, it definetly fails over on you from time to time. Good
thing is it doesn't even tell you unless you type 
some weird commands during install.

===> Requires Enterprise Edition

>> load balancing
>>I'm not sure, I don't use it...

===> Requires Enterprise Edition

>> many enterprise database drivers
>>Which many don't use.

===> Requires Enterprise Edition. Actually many of us use Enterprise
database servers.

>> tons of samples
Install them to your production server, and you'll have problems.

===> Macromedia recommend you do NOT install them on production servers.

>> COM bridge
I think it stands for Composite Oriented Malfunction. It performs it's job
just great too.

===> No comment. NDA.

>> the Java run time
http://www.middleware-company.com/j2eedotnetbench/report.shtml

===> No comment. NDA.

>> lots of other crap
>>Yeah, definetly. Lots of other crap to make it 140 megs.

===> Again NDA.

>> 140 meg installation
yeah, it looks good in the locker

===> Again NDA.


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Re: I knew your name was Neo

[Mahmut Basaran]

>> VERY feature-rich administrator
It's the greatest admin, missing "log file" link in first release was
another great feature.

>>  fail over
Great feature, it definetly fails over on you from time to time. Good thing
is it doesn't even tell you unless you type some weird commands during
install.

>> load balancing
I'm not sure, I don't use it...

>> many enterprise database drivers
Which many don't use.

>> tons of samples
Install them to your production server, and you'll have problems.

>> COM bridge
I think it stands for Composite Oriented Malfunction. It performs it's job
just great too.

>> the Java run time
http://www.middleware-company.com/j2eedotnetbench/report.shtml

>> lots of other crap
Yeah, definetly. Lots of other crap to make it 140 megs.

>> 140 meg installation
yeah, it looks good in the locker

>> I just get annoyed
I don't see anything to get annoyed. It's a beautiful life.

- Original Message -
From: "Jim Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 7:19 AM
Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo


> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tilbrook, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 11:59 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo
> >
> > Well most of these, if not all issues, are being addressed by beta
testers
> > for the next release so hang in there and don't give up on MX just yet.
> > The
> > install file is large because of all the new bits and pieces that have
> > been
> > released since MX first shipped.
>
> I just get annoyed now when people complain about the install size...
> especially when they compare it to PHP.   Unlike PHP MX ships with the
full
> documentation set (all 6 books), the Verity k2 engine, the Generator
engine
> (for charting) the Java run time and at least one compiler, tons of
samples
> (should you want them), the VERY feature-rich administrator, fail over,
load
> balancing, many enterprise database drivers (including many sample DBs),
the
> COM bridge and lots of other crap I can't remember.
>
> Get over it.
>
> Jim Davis
>
>
> 
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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Tilbrook, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 11:59 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo
> 
> Well most of these, if not all issues, are being addressed by beta testers
> for the next release so hang in there and don't give up on MX just yet.
> The
> install file is large because of all the new bits and pieces that have
> been
> released since MX first shipped.

I just get annoyed now when people complain about the install size...
especially when they compare it to PHP.   Unlike PHP MX ships with the full
documentation set (all 6 books), the Verity k2 engine, the Generator engine
(for charting) the Java run time and at least one compiler, tons of samples
(should you want them), the VERY feature-rich administrator, fail over, load
balancing, many enterprise database drivers (including many sample DBs), the
COM bridge and lots of other crap I can't remember.

Get over it.

Jim Davis


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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Taco Fleur]

Mahmut,

It takes a while to get used to CFMX, when I first installed it I also
was very angry like you. It's quite a difference between the install of
pre CFMX and MX. There is a lot more tweaking to be done with CFMX. But
give it time and you'll start to love it. You'll just need a couple of
weeks to find the right tweaks for your environment ;-))

-Original Message-
From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 8 July 2003 1:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo


You're welcome!

Jim Davis.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:19 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: I knew your name was Neo
> 
> Hi Macromedia,
> 
> How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know what 
> happened last night..
> 
> I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that. I spent 
> more than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried several installs and 
> uninstalls (which takes longer than install), and after performing 
> several reformats I found out the problem was the locale setting of 
> Windows 2000 Server (which was set to Turkish during install).
> 
> Thank you Macromedia for your great Jrun engine.
> Thank you for asking me if I would like to install your webserver 
> (which you do not recommend for production) that runs on port 8500. 
> Thank you for your locale support. Thank you for not letting me know 
> about the real-cache attribute on my very first install.
> Thank you for COM problems after I upgrade from version 4.5 to mx.
> Thank you for making me wait 10ms each time I refresh my code.
> Thank you for your great Jrun connector.
> Thank you for your perfect Flash Remoting add-ons.
> Thank you for your cfmail which sends mail with a 15sec delay.
> Thank you for your consuming at least 30megs of my server's memory
with
> just sitting there.
> Thank you for crashing the server each time someone uploads an
infinite
> loop or use mirror includes.
> Thank you for your "only" 140 megs installation. It's nice to know
that cf
> is heavier than php's 2meg installation but performs the same
functions
> (with/out addons).
> (list keeps going...)
> 
> and finally I would like to thank you for all the pain. Keep up the 
> good work and keep up coding with the ms style "furnished" code. I'm 
> curious to see the next episode.
> 
> You're the Best of Best! You're awesome!
> 
> 

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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Tilbrook, Peter]

Well most of these, if not all issues, are being addressed by beta testers
for the next release so hang in there and don't give up on MX just yet. The
install file is large because of all the new bits and pieces that have been
released since MX first shipped.


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RE: I knew your name was Neo

[Jim Davis]

You're welcome!

Jim Davis.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:19 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: I knew your name was Neo
> 
> Hi Macromedia,
> 
> How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know what happened
> last night..
> 
> I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that. I spent more
> than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried several installs and
> uninstalls (which takes longer than install), and after performing several
> reformats I found out the problem was the locale setting of Windows 2000
> Server (which was set to Turkish during install).
> 
> Thank you Macromedia for your great Jrun engine.
> Thank you for asking me if I would like to install your webserver (which
> you do not recommend for production) that runs on port 8500.
> Thank you for your locale support.
> Thank you for not letting me know about the real-cache attribute on my
> very first install.
> Thank you for COM problems after I upgrade from version 4.5 to mx.
> Thank you for making me wait 10ms each time I refresh my code.
> Thank you for your great Jrun connector.
> Thank you for your perfect Flash Remoting add-ons.
> Thank you for your cfmail which sends mail with a 15sec delay.
> Thank you for your consuming at least 30megs of my server's memory with
> just sitting there.
> Thank you for crashing the server each time someone uploads an infinite
> loop or use mirror includes.
> Thank you for your "only" 140 megs installation. It's nice to know that cf
> is heavier than php's 2meg installation but performs the same functions
> (with/out addons).
> (list keeps going...)
> 
> and finally I would like to thank you for all the pain. Keep up the good
> work and keep up coding with the ms style "furnished" code. I'm curious to
> see the next episode.
> 
> You're the Best of Best! You're awesome!
> 
> 
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