Re: The best CFC book is...
Glad you found it useful Mike. I should note though that even that code was written a year or two ago and I would do a a couple of things differently if I wrote it today. Nothing too major though. One of these days I'll take some time to update it. Maybe knowing that folks are still looking at it will make me find that time. On 1/15/06, Michael Soultanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Casey, Here's a good example: http://tinyurl.com/3mrec I learned quite a bit from the way that he set up his CFCs in his sample bookstore app. Yeah, it's fusebox, but the concepts would carry over to script based programming as well. Mike On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:22:52 -0500 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229814 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
Maybe knowing that folks are still looking at it will make me find that time. I don't like that one since it's got the word fusebox in it but, Brian I did start reading through your Polymorphism with ColdFusion Components on builder.com I like that one. That one is great, just an FYI my Cat eats Zebra for afternoon snacks. ;-) ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229826 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
Casey, I built it as an example of using both Fusebox 4.1 and using CFCs. The CFC portion of the application is completely independent of the fact that the UI controller layer is using Fusebox. In other words, the same CFCs could be used in a Mach-II or Model-Glue frameworks (or no framework at all) with very little modification. On 1/17/06, Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe knowing that folks are still looking at it will make me find that time. I don't like that one since it's got the word fusebox in it but, Brian I did start reading through your Polymorphism with ColdFusion Components on builder.com I like that one. That one is great, just an FYI my Cat eats Zebra for afternoon snacks. ;-) ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229837 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
On 1/15/06, Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to find something with some real nitty gritty, down and dirty examples of how to use CFC's. Just one solid example that shows how a CFC can be used with display, update, delete add functionality. It Well, the generally accepted best practice is that CFCs should *not* output anything... In MVC - Model View Controller - the Model is typically all CFCs, the View is typically all CFML pages and the Controller is a variety of technologies (depending on what framework, if any, you are using). must grab information from a database and the CFC's must invoke other CFC's in the process. For dessert maybe show 3 examples envoking the CFC to display the information on multiple platforms. cfml, flash, webservice A CFC that provides Flash Remoting / Web Service access simply declares methods with access=remote and there are plenty of examples of that on macromedia.com in the ColdFusion and Flash/Flash Remoting Developer Centers. There are also several intro to CFC articles on the Developer Center that would really help you. The Fusebox bookstore app is a good example of using CFCs for the model. You might also want to download my Frameworks presentation and the accompanying code. See the Software pod on the right hand side of my blog. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Got frameworks? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229710 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The best CFC book is...
Well, the generally accepted best practice is that CFCs should *not* output anything... WHY??? I understand why one would not want to mix display functionality with other layers of logic, and I am trying to learn how to separate my coding along these lines. But nobody has explained to me why it is inherently bad to do display in a CFC as long as that is the purpose of that CFC. Is there something wrong with creating a display CFC for ones view layer? -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229712 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
I have used them from time to time as containers of displayed code. Seen a few people use them for displaying information as well, only example that comes to mind for that is someone showed a datagrid CFC awhile back at our CFUG. On 1/16/06, Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the generally accepted best practice is that CFCs should *not* output anything... WHY??? I understand why one would not want to mix display functionality with other layers of logic, and I am trying to learn how to separate my coding along these lines. But nobody has explained to me why it is inherently bad to do display in a CFC as long as that is the purpose of that CFC. Is there something wrong with creating a display CFC for ones view layer? -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229718 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
From what I've read, it can obviously be done, but it's just bad form. MVC doesn't have to be adhered to either, but it does make your life easier in code reusability and maintainability. mike Ian Skinner wrote: Well, the generally accepted best practice is that CFCs should *not* output anything... WHY??? I understand why one would not want to mix display functionality with other layers of logic, and I am trying to learn how to separate my coding along these lines. But nobody has explained to me why it is inherently bad to do display in a CFC as long as that is the purpose of that CFC. Is there something wrong with creating a display CFC for ones view layer? -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229722 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The best CFC book is...
From what I've read, it can obviously be done, but it's just bad form. MVC doesn't have to be adhered to either, but it does make your life easier in code reusability and maintainability. Mike So, why is it bad form? Assuming you are not mixing your layers, why is it bad to create a view CFC that does nothing but display? What is it about using a CFC for the display that would break a MVC model? -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229723 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
Hey Ian, Good point.. you got me there. I'm guessing it probably has something to do with OO practices and that objects are for data and logic and then something else displays the information. On the flip side, they do provide a mechanism for passing variables in that could be displayed... yeah, I'm not sure about why not. A quick search on google came up with this: http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com/index.cfm/2005/12/20/cfc.debug I'm trying to find the CFDJ article they mentioned.. Mike Ian Skinner wrote: From what I've read, it can obviously be done, but it's just bad form. MVC doesn't have to be adhered to either, but it does make your life easier in code reusability and maintainability. Mike So, why is it bad form? Assuming you are not mixing your layers, why is it bad to create a view CFC that does nothing but display? What is it about using a CFC for the display that would break a MVC model? -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229724 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
Well, the generally accepted best practice is that CFCs should *not* output anything... WHY??? Ah ah, a matter of religion matter again ;-) Some day, most likely a saturday at 8 AM, some MVC witness will ring at your door and explain everything to you ;-)) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229726 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
found it: http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/read/154231.htm i'm gonna read it now and see what it says.. Mike Soultanian wrote: Hey Ian, Good point.. you got me there. I'm guessing it probably has something to do with OO practices and that objects are for data and logic and then something else displays the information. On the flip side, they do provide a mechanism for passing variables in that could be displayed... yeah, I'm not sure about why not. A quick search on google came up with this: http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com/index.cfm/2005/12/20/cfc.debug I'm trying to find the CFDJ article they mentioned.. Mike Ian Skinner wrote: From what I've read, it can obviously be done, but it's just bad form. MVC doesn't have to be adhered to either, but it does make your life easier in code reusability and maintainability. Mike So, why is it bad form? Assuming you are not mixing your layers, why is it bad to create a view CFC that does nothing but display? What is it about using a CFC for the display that would break a MVC model? -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229728 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
Good point.. you got me there. I'm guessing it probably has something to do with OO practices and that objects are for data and logic and then something else displays the information. That only proves one thing : may be OO is not good for ColdFusion ;-)) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229729 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
This is one of those situations where I think people are making CF too Java-esque. Obviously the thought from Macromedia was that they would output stuff otherwise, I wouldn't have to put Output=false on every frickin function I write. MVC doesn't rely on the underlying language, so I don't think you'd be breaking any kind of MVC rule. Afterall, there were ways of doing MVC before CFC's came out. I liken it to the discussion about interfaces in CF. Now more people are beginning to realize that you don't need them. CF has a different way of dealing with it and they realize the strength of that way now. So, my thoughts are if you can figure out a way to use CFC's to output parts of your app and it makes it easier to create/maintain/extend, go for it. It's people that push the boundaries that come up with innovative solutions. On 1/16/06, Mike Soultanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I've read, it can obviously be done, but it's just bad form. MVC doesn't have to be adhered to either, but it does make your life easier in code reusability and maintainability. mike Ian Skinner wrote: Well, the generally accepted best practice is that CFCs should *not* output anything... WHY??? I understand why one would not want to mix display functionality with other layers of logic, and I am trying to learn how to separate my coding along these lines. But nobody has explained to me why it is inherently bad to do display in a CFC as long as that is the purpose of that CFC. Is there something wrong with creating a display CFC for ones view layer? -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229730 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The best CFC book is...
Good point.. you got me there. I'm guessing it probably has something to do with OO practices and that objects are for data and logic and then something else displays the information. But wouldn't that say then, an OO language, like say JAVA, uses something other then an object for the view/display layer of an MVC application? I would say CFC may provide a bit of awkwardness to a CF MVC type application, but just being a CFC does not preclude them from being used as a display object. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229731 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
After some more thought, I could see them coming in handy if I were building a script-based, traditional setup. However, I am a recent fusebox addict (which is amazing, btw) and therefore there isn't much need for me to make an additional CFC to handle output. The concept of fuses is that they're simple and easily editable so adding unnecessary complexity wouldn't really help me out much. Plus, then I'm worrying about relative paths to other files and what-not. I kinda like how things are broken up into individual items as it helps me see the overall picture of what I'm working on and certain display fuses are grouped together and keep things organized and manageable (which can be done with multiple CFCs I suppose). To that end, there's no reason for *me* to use a CFC, but I'm sure someone could find a valid reason to use them for display purposes. But I think if I were using a script-based setup, I might consider using CFCs for display purposes to help compartmentalize everything. Ultimately, I'm not a cf pro by any means, but I always like these kinds of conversations because it kinda forces you to think outside the box and challenge ideas where people say you do it just because. Sometimes it's good to go by those standards just because someone else found the pitfalls that you haven't hit yet, but sometimes many people just fall into line because they didn't want to rethink the whole process, which is just as valid of a reason as well... Mike Ian Skinner wrote: Well, the generally accepted best practice is that CFCs should *not* output anything... WHY??? I understand why one would not want to mix display functionality with other layers of logic, and I am trying to learn how to separate my coding along these lines. But nobody has explained to me why it is inherently bad to do display in a CFC as long as that is the purpose of that CFC. Is there something wrong with creating a display CFC for ones view layer? -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229732 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
On 1/16/06, Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, why is it bad form? Assuming you are not mixing your layers, why is it bad to create a view CFC that does nothing but display? What is it about using a CFC for the display that would break a MVC model? If you use a plain ol' CFML page it's going to have very little (CF) markup in it and it will display nicely in various HTML editors and be easy for a variety of folks to edit - for example, your design and production folks could tweak the layout pretty safely without breaking things. The same is not true of output in methods in a CFC. If you want to rehash this discussion further, go back over the archives - this is a regular feature in long, involved discussions over the years. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Got frameworks? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229737 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The best CFC book is...
Well, the generally accepted best practice is that CFCs should *not* output anything... WHY??? I understand why one would not want to mix display functionality with other layers of logic, and I am trying to learn how to separate my coding along these lines. But nobody has explained to me why it is inherently bad to do display in a CFC as long as that is the purpose of that CFC. Is there something wrong with creating a display CFC for ones view layer? I don't think it's inherently bad, myself. However, I don't think it's usually the most sensible mechanism for generating output. Custom tags are, I think, a more natural approach for output generation within an HTML page. Given that custom tags are arguably better suited to this task, why not use them instead? What appears more natural, this: some_html_tag cf_dosomething/cf_dosomething some_other_html_tag Or this? some_html_tag cfoutput#someCFC.doSomething()#/cfoutput some_other_html_tag Interestingly, this is more or less the approach taken by other enterprise web application environments, like ASP.NET and J2EE. In ASP.NET, code-behind classes are generally reserved for things other than presentation logic, and you can build custom tags for presentation logic. In an MVC J2EE application, you might use a servlet for the controller, beans and other Java classes for business logic, and JSP pages for the view, and JSP custom tags to build parts of the view. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229738 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
I was actually curious about that book as well. My goal from this point forward was to write all of my code in CFCs only. I haven't written a CF function yet as I haven't been ready for the transition, but it doesn't look like it's going to be that tough. You might also want to check out Hal's occasional newsletter that also has info about CFCs. Another book I'm debating getting is Design Patterns: Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software from the Gang of Four: http://tinyurl.com/dmjwt I've heard it's good and it's gotten great reviews. Mike Michel Deloux wrote: Hi all I'm an intermediate CF developer looking for(late 'cause CF 5 version) CFC books to learn how to work with components. Hal Helms wrote Discovering CFCs: ColdFusion MX Components. Do you recommend? Cheers MD ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229612 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
Pretty sure that is one I bought awhile, if so then I would avoid it. I did not care for it at all but to each their own. On 1/15/06, Michel Deloux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I'm an intermediate CF developer looking for(late 'cause CF 5 version) CFC books to learn how to work with components. Hal Helms wrote Discovering CFCs: ColdFusion MX Components. Do you recommend? ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229613 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
really? How come you didn't like it? I've heard it's pretty conceptual, but I don't mind that kinda stuff, especially if it'll help me design my overall cfc structure better.. Aaron Rouse wrote: Pretty sure that is one I bought awhile, if so then I would avoid it. I did not care for it at all but to each their own. On 1/15/06, Michel Deloux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I'm an intermediate CF developer looking for(late 'cause CF 5 version) CFC books to learn how to work with components. Hal Helms wrote Discovering CFCs: ColdFusion MX Components. Do you recommend? ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229614 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The best CFC book is...
I have got it and it is a pretty good book. The problem with it is that it was written for early CFCs ... i.e. in the CFMX 6 timeframe. With CFMX 6.1 and 7, things have changed in the CFC area fixing some of the issues outlined in the book. Still a good book, just a bit dated. -Original Message- From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: The best CFC book is... Pretty sure that is one I bought awhile, if so then I would avoid it. I did not care for it at all but to each their own. On 1/15/06, Michel Deloux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I'm an intermediate CF developer looking for(late 'cause CF 5 version) CFC books to learn how to work with components. Hal Helms wrote Discovering CFCs: ColdFusion MX Components. Do you recommend? ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229615 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
I did not like how it was written, did not like how several of the examples were flawed, and did not like the general layout of the book felt like it was done in a manner to just fill up more pages. I think a lot more could be learned about CFCs through online tutorials and mailing lists. Another flaw with the book is it is written for 6.0 CFCs, if I am remembering the right book. On 1/15/06, Mike Soultanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: really? How come you didn't like it? I've heard it's pretty conceptual, but I don't mind that kinda stuff, especially if it'll help me design my overall cfc structure better.. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229616 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
Oh.. are you talking about hal helms book or the gang of four book? I thought you were talking about the gof book.. I haven't read hal's book.. my bad ;) Mike Aaron Rouse wrote: I did not like how it was written, did not like how several of the examples were flawed, and did not like the general layout of the book felt like it was done in a manner to just fill up more pages. I think a lot more could be learned about CFCs through online tutorials and mailing lists. Another flaw with the book is it is written for 6.0 CFCs, if I am remembering the right book. On 1/15/06, Mike Soultanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: really? How come you didn't like it? I've heard it's pretty conceptual, but I don't mind that kinda stuff, especially if it'll help me design my overall cfc structure better.. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229617 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
On 1/15/06, Michel Deloux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm an intermediate CF developer looking for(late 'cause CF 5 version) CFC books to learn how to work with components. There are no good books for learning CFCs (Hal's book is very out-of-date because of changes in components since it was written). Well, you can learn the basic syntax from the CFMX documentation (the Developer's Guide improves with every release and is definitely worth reading). Beyond the syntax, there are no good *books* for learning how to program effectively with CFCs. There are lots of good blogs and the cfcdev mailing list is a must-read. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Got frameworks? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229619 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
Yeah, I liked the gof book, sorry about that. On 1/15/06, Mike Soultanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh.. are you talking about hal helms book or the gang of four book? I thought you were talking about the gof book.. I haven't read hal's book.. my bad ;) Mike ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229623 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
best book? ...google...a great psuedo-random book where authors can pay to alter the so called randomness :) DK On 1/15/06, Michel Deloux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I'm an intermediate CF developer looking for(late 'cause CF 5 version) CFC books to learn how to work with components. Hal Helms wrote Discovering CFCs: ColdFusion MX Components. Do you recommend? Cheers MD ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229629 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
On 1/15/06, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: best book? ...google...a great psuedo-random book where authors can pay to alter the so called randomness :) Douglas, have you attempted Googling this? I'm in the same boat as Michel. I would love to gain a better understanding of these and have just spent the last 2 hours checking through some examples online which are total shit. A couple have come close, builder.com had a couple good examples. Too bad they don't list CFML as a Programming Language under Web Development I want to find something with some real nitty gritty, down and dirty examples of how to use CFC's. Just one solid example that shows how a CFC can be used with display, update, delete add functionality. It must grab information from a database and the CFC's must invoke other CFC's in the process. For dessert maybe show 3 examples envoking the CFC to display the information on multiple platforms. cfml, flash, webservice -- Casey Dougall ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229640 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
How about the Macradobe livedocs? http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentationfile=part_dev.htm Click on Building and Using Cold Fusion Components -- there's lots of good info there. -- Josh Nathanson - Original Message - From: Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: Re: The best CFC book is... On 1/15/06, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: best book? ...google...a great psuedo-random book where authors can pay to alter the so called randomness :) Douglas, have you attempted Googling this? I'm in the same boat as Michel. I would love to gain a better understanding of these and have just spent the last 2 hours checking through some examples online which are total shit. A couple have come close, builder.com had a couple good examples. Too bad they don't list CFML as a Programming Language under Web Development I want to find something with some real nitty gritty, down and dirty examples of how to use CFC's. Just one solid example that shows how a CFC can be used with display, update, delete add functionality. It must grab information from a database and the CFC's must invoke other CFC's in the process. For dessert maybe show 3 examples envoking the CFC to display the information on multiple platforms. cfml, flash, webservice -- Casey Dougall ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229646 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The best CFC book is...
Hey Casey, Here's a good example: http://tinyurl.com/3mrec I learned quite a bit from the way that he set up his CFCs in his sample bookstore app. Yeah, it's fusebox, but the concepts would carry over to script based programming as well. Mike On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:22:52 -0500 Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Douglas, have you attempted Googling this? I'm in the same boat as Michel. I would love to gain a better understanding of these and have just spent the last 2 hours checking through some examples online ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229650 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
