RE: software lifecycle/project management tool/process recommendations
I have played with and I do like it, but it's a bit pricey in my opinion. -Original Message- From: Dave Merrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: software lifecycle/project management tool/process recommendations I hear you on price, but a) they offered some pretty serious breaks at the last fusebox conference; talk to them maybe, and b) there are several different editions with different levels of functionality and price. Desktop app is a drag, but it does allow some functionality that's hard to do in a web app. Just FYI, I'm not an Adalon user myself, just someone who's looked at it, so I'm not the best person to talk about methodologies for working w it. Dave Merrill Two things I don't like about Adalon - Price and it is a desktop app. - Calvin Have you folks looked at Adalon, http://adalon.net/? It does requirements gathering, wireframing, etc. It also does code generation for fusebox and struts, and cool-looking documentation, all from your design specs. The various generators can be radically customized in the pro version. Not totally inexpensive, and fairly heavyweight in terms of the process it's really trying to support, but many folks swear by it, especially in the fusebox community. Definitely worth a look if you're thinking about how to standardize your software lifecycle process, and support it in software. Dave Merrill I have been thinking of building an application along these lines for a while, my thinking has been going along the lines of (the core) 1) Capture Requirements 2) Break down each requirement into features 3) Break down each feature into technical specifications (for websites) 4) Create wireframe and assign features The idea is to keep versioning of each item, and if you change a requirement it highlights wich features need revision,, and in turn which technical features need revision. you could then assign users (this is mean to be a web based solution) to deal with groups of features (oh did I mention grouping too?) as well as developers to detail technical specifications. Each item (requirement, feature, tech) would allow the upload of documents and assignment to a wireframe. Also each item could be assigned to a user as well as defining duration and resources etc. I have just had this thought banging around my head for a while, so I would welcome feedback. Some of the features of this system is that since you are estimating on items you can see the total (plus any modifiers) time for each requirement , and inversly if you change a requirement you can see which technical bits are affected. I have been building a little db of this but need to get the versioning working Regards MD ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191533 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: software lifecycle/project management tool/process recommendations
I hear you on price, but a) they offered some pretty serious breaks at the last fusebox conference; talk to them maybe, and b) there are several different editions with different levels of functionality and price. Desktop app is a drag, but it does allow some functionality that's hard to do in a web app. Just FYI, I'm not an Adalon user myself, just someone who's looked at it, so I'm not the best person to talk about methodologies for working w it. Dave Merrill Two things I don't like about Adalon - Price and it is a desktop app. - Calvin Have you folks looked at Adalon, http://adalon.net/? It does requirements gathering, wireframing, etc. It also does code generation for fusebox and struts, and cool-looking documentation, all from your design specs. The various generators can be radically customized in the pro version. Not totally inexpensive, and fairly heavyweight in terms of the process it's really trying to support, but many folks swear by it, especially in the fusebox community. Definitely worth a look if you're thinking about how to standardize your software lifecycle process, and support it in software. Dave Merrill I have been thinking of building an application along these lines for a while, my thinking has been going along the lines of (the core) 1) Capture Requirements 2) Break down each requirement into features 3) Break down each feature into technical specifications (for websites) 4) Create wireframe and assign features The idea is to keep versioning of each item, and if you change a requirement it highlights wich features need revision,, and in turn which technical features need revision. you could then assign users (this is mean to be a web based solution) to deal with groups of features (oh did I mention grouping too?) as well as developers to detail technical specifications. Each item (requirement, feature, tech) would allow the upload of documents and assignment to a wireframe. Also each item could be assigned to a user as well as defining duration and resources etc. I have just had this thought banging around my head for a while, so I would welcome feedback. Some of the features of this system is that since you are estimating on items you can see the total (plus any modifiers) time for each requirement , and inversly if you change a requirement you can see which technical bits are affected. I have been building a little db of this but need to get the versioning working Regards MD ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191532 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: software lifecycle/project management tool/process recommendations
Two things I don't like about Adalon - Price and it is a desktop app. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Dave Merrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 2:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: software lifecycle/project management tool/process recommendations Have you folks looked at Adalon, http://adalon.net/? It does requirements gathering, wireframing, etc. It also does code generation for fusebox and struts, and cool-looking documentation, all from your design specs. The various generators can be radically customized in the pro version. Not totally inexpensive, and fairly heavyweight in terms of the process it's really trying to support, but many folks swear by it, especially in the fusebox community. Definitely worth a look if you're thinking about how to standardize your software lifecycle process, and support it in software. Dave Merrill I have been thinking of building an application along these lines for a while, my thinking has been going along the lines of (the core) 1) Capture Requirements 2) Break down each requirement into features 3) Break down each feature into technical specifications (for websites) 4) Create wireframe and assign features The idea is to keep versioning of each item, and if you change a requirement it highlights wich features need revision,, and in turn which technical features need revision. you could then assign users (this is mean to be a web based solution) to deal with groups of features (oh did I mention grouping too?) as well as developers to detail technical specifications. Each item (requirement, feature, tech) would allow the upload of documents and assignment to a wireframe. Also each item could be assigned to a user as well as defining duration and resources etc. I have just had this thought banging around my head for a while, so I would welcome feedback. Some of the features of this system is that since you are estimating on items you can see the total (plus any modifiers) time for each requirement , and inversly if you change a requirement you can see which technical bits are affected. I have been building a little db of this but need to get the versioning working Regards MD ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191527 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: software lifecycle/project management tool/process recommendations
Also you can review the following sites... http://www.dama.org/ http://www.odmg.org/ http://www.pmi.org/ http://www.waria.com/ http://www.wfmc.org I would also recommend google/book on UMLv2.0.. Robert Munn wrote: Ian, I like this book for Web development: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1558606580/qid=1106425246/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-2345314-2646402?v=glances=books It is called Usability for the Web, but it is, as much as anything, a book about the process of building Web sites. It isn't focused on engineering, though, so you need a good book on engineering projects. How about this one: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1556159005/qid=1106424939/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-2345314-2646402?v=glances=books It is called Rapid Development. It was published in 1996 and is top rated software lifecycle book on Amazon. The other thing you can look at generally is project management training. I recommend training rather than reading alone because it's all about the experience. I personally am not big on lots of formalized project management for smaller sized projects, but having a good understanding of the principles will help you assess your PM needs for a particular project. Even a small amount of project management is better than none. I would be happy to continue the discussion offline if you like. Rob Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 -- Umer Farooq Octadyne Systems +1 (519) 489-1119 voice ***NEW AS OF 01/05*** +1 (519) 635-2795 mobile +1 (208) 275-3824 fax LOOKING FOR A USED CAR IN IOWA VISIT: http://www.IowaMotors.com WARNING: --- The information contained in this document and attachments is confidential and intended only for the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any other use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this document and attachments without making any copy of any kind. ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191487 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: software lifecycle/project management tool/process recommendations
Can anybody recommend any good resources on tried and true definitions of the process? That is where we are stuck at. Our organization lacks the experience of large software design so we have no real process. But we are getting more and more of it. I've been tasked with learning how this is done, and presenting it. But I have little idea where to start. A couple of classic books to get you started - McConnell - Code Complete (very practical - don't let the MS imprint put you off) Pressman - Software Engineering: a Practitioner's Approach (a bit more theoretical but gives you all the background) There are a lot of methodologies out there that will give you a cookbook-type approach. I would divide these roughly into older waterfall style methods like SSADM, Information Engineering, CASE*Method, and newer iterative things like RUP (Rational Unified Process, from the same stable as UML), DSDM, XP. Common sense is probably your most useful guide though. Good luck Nick ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191516 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: software lifecycle/project management tool/process recommendations
I have been thinking of building an application along these lines for a while, my thinking has been going along the lines of (the core) 1) Capture Requirements 2) Break down each requirement into features 3) Break down each feature into technical specifications (for websites) 4) Create wireframe and assign features The idea is to keep versioning of each item, and if you change a requirement it highlights wich features need revision,, and in turn which technical features need revision. you could then assign users (this is mean to be a web based solution) to deal with groups of features (oh did I mention grouping too?) as well as developers to detail technical specifications. Each item (requirement, feature, tech) would allow the upload of documents and assignment to a wireframe. Also each item could be assigned to a user as well as defining duration and resources etc. I have just had this thought banging around my head for a while, so I would welcome feedback. Some of the features of this system is that since you are estimating on items you can see the total (plus any modifiers) time for each requirement , and inversly if you change a requirement you can see which technical bits are affected. I have been building a little db of this but need to get the versioning working Regards MD On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:14:34 -0500, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M$ Project does have a web enabled tool via M$, Project Central its called, unless they rnamed it again. I have not seen it in a couple years, but I set it up once. It would shoot emails out and such and allow users to login to see their tasks and all. Doug On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:30:22 -0400, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a reluctant user of MS Project. All I can say is don't use it! MS Project is good for very large projects with lots of details and many people, but it has several significant shortcomings, IMO. - It is a desktop app. Why? And Project 2000 isn't even Web-enabled. I don't know about 2003, maybe it has improved in this area. To me, the whole point of using an app like Project is to automate the management of a project, and this system just doesn't cut it. There are plenty of Web-based Project imitators out there that do a compentent job. - It is too rigid. Task chaining, timelines, all of that stuff is too rigid, at least for me. I like more flexibility to add items and fill in details later. You can sort of do that with project, but it's a pain. - Did I mention the lack of automation? My general issue with this factor is that you end up spending more time managing the project plan than managing the project. So what do I do instead? Mostly I use email and a whiteboard, and periodic high-level status reports to track progress. I've been meaning to build myself a tool that fits my process for about three years now, I just haven't gotten around to it. I recommend that you define your process before you pick a tool to use for the process. You may find that once you define the process you want to use for project management, the tool selection falls into place. We are looking to formalize our software development processes and are looking for a tool/process that will help with the project management and track the software development lifecycle. Does anyone have recommendations for either? Do folks use MS Project or another tool for project management? How about FLiP? Anyone use it for development? As always freeware is great but it's necessary. Thanks, Bob ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191441 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: software lifecycle/project management tool/process recommendations
Have you folks looked at Adalon, http://adalon.net/? It does requirements gathering, wireframing, etc. It also does code generation for fusebox and struts, and cool-looking documentation, all from your design specs. The various generators can be radically customized in the pro version. Not totally inexpensive, and fairly heavyweight in terms of the process it's really trying to support, but many folks swear by it, especially in the fusebox community. Definitely worth a look if you're thinking about how to standardize your software lifecycle process, and support it in software. Dave Merrill I have been thinking of building an application along these lines for a while, my thinking has been going along the lines of (the core) 1) Capture Requirements 2) Break down each requirement into features 3) Break down each feature into technical specifications (for websites) 4) Create wireframe and assign features The idea is to keep versioning of each item, and if you change a requirement it highlights wich features need revision,, and in turn which technical features need revision. you could then assign users (this is mean to be a web based solution) to deal with groups of features (oh did I mention grouping too?) as well as developers to detail technical specifications. Each item (requirement, feature, tech) would allow the upload of documents and assignment to a wireframe. Also each item could be assigned to a user as well as defining duration and resources etc. I have just had this thought banging around my head for a while, so I would welcome feedback. Some of the features of this system is that since you are estimating on items you can see the total (plus any modifiers) time for each requirement , and inversly if you change a requirement you can see which technical bits are affected. I have been building a little db of this but need to get the versioning working Regards MD ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191446 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: software lifecycle/project management tool/process recommendations
Ian, I like this book for Web development: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1558606580/qid=1106425246/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-2345314-2646402?v=glances=books It is called Usability for the Web, but it is, as much as anything, a book about the process of building Web sites. It isn't focused on engineering, though, so you need a good book on engineering projects. How about this one: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1556159005/qid=1106424939/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-2345314-2646402?v=glances=books It is called Rapid Development. It was published in 1996 and is top rated software lifecycle book on Amazon. The other thing you can look at generally is project management training. I recommend training rather than reading alone because it's all about the experience. I personally am not big on lots of formalized project management for smaller sized projects, but having a good understanding of the principles will help you assess your PM needs for a particular project. Even a small amount of project management is better than none. I would be happy to continue the discussion offline if you like. Rob Can anybody recommend any good resources on tried and true definitions of the process? That is where we are stuck at. Our organization lacks the experience of large software design so we have no real process. But we are getting more and more of it. I've been tasked with learning how this is done, and presenting it. But I have little idea where to start. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning ... -Original Message- ... From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 1:30 PM ... To: CF-Talk ... Subject: Re: software lifecycle/project management tool/process ... recommendations ... ... I am a reluctant user of MS Project. All I can say is don't use it! MS ... Project is good for very large projects with lots of details and many ... people, but it has several significant shortcomings, IMO. ... ... - It is a desktop app. Why? And Project 2000 isn't even Web-enabled. I ... don't know about 2003, maybe it has improved in this area. To me, the ... whole point of using an app like Project is to automate the management ... of a project, and this system just doesn't cut it. There are plenty of ... Web-based Project imitators out there that do a compentent job. ... ... - It is too rigid. Task chaining, timelines, all of that stuff is too ... rigid, at least for me. I like more flexibility to add items and fill in ... details later. You can sort of do that with project, but it's a pain. ... ... - Did I mention the lack of automation? My general issue with this factor ... is that you end up spending more time managing the project plan than ... managing the project. ... ... So what do I do instead? Mostly I use email and a whiteboard, and ... periodic high-level status reports to track progress. I've been meaning ... to build myself a tool that fits my process for about three years now, I ... just haven't gotten around to it. ... ... I recommend that you define your process before you pick a tool to use ... for the process. You may find that once you define the process you want ... to use for project management, the tool selection falls into place. ... ... ... ... We are looking to formalize our software development processes and are ... looking for a tool/process that will help with the project management ... and track the software development lifecycle. ... ... Does anyone have recommendations for either? ... ... Do folks use MS Project or another tool for project management? ... ... How about FLiP? Anyone use it for development? ... ... As always freeware is great but it's necessary. ... ... Thanks, ... ... Bob ... ... ... ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191447 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: software lifecycle/project management tool/process recommendations
We're having a presentation on Adalon at the AZCFUG (Phoenix) meeting next Wednesday. I'm looking forward to checking it out. If you live in the area, head on ove. http://www.azcfug.org/ (site looks down now) -nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ Dave Merrill wrote: Have you folks looked at Adalon, http://adalon.net/? It does requirements gathering, wireframing, etc. It also does code generation for fusebox and struts, and cool-looking documentation, all from your design specs. The various generators can be radically customized in the pro version. Not totally inexpensive, and fairly heavyweight in terms of the process it's really trying to support, but many folks swear by it, especially in the fusebox community. Definitely worth a look if you're thinking about how to standardize your software lifecycle process, and support it in software. Dave Merrill I have been thinking of building an application along these lines for a while, my thinking has been going along the lines of (the core) 1) Capture Requirements 2) Break down each requirement into features 3) Break down each feature into technical specifications (for websites) 4) Create wireframe and assign features The idea is to keep versioning of each item, and if you change a requirement it highlights wich features need revision,, and in turn which technical features need revision. you could then assign users (this is mean to be a web based solution) to deal with groups of features (oh did I mention grouping too?) as well as developers to detail technical specifications. Each item (requirement, feature, tech) would allow the upload of documents and assignment to a wireframe. Also each item could be assigned to a user as well as defining duration and resources etc. I have just had this thought banging around my head for a while, so I would welcome feedback. Some of the features of this system is that since you are estimating on items you can see the total (plus any modifiers) time for each requirement , and inversly if you change a requirement you can see which technical bits are affected. I have been building a little db of this but need to get the versioning working Regards MD ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191470 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
software lifecycle/project management tool/process recommendations
We are looking to formalize our software development processes and are looking for a tool/process that will help with the project management and track the software development lifecycle. Does anyone have recommendations for either? Do folks use MS Project or another tool for project management? How about FLiP? Anyone use it for development? As always freeware is great but it's necessary. Thanks, Bob ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191392 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: software lifecycle/project management tool/process recommendations
I would also love to hear more about this topic. We have been trying to do this for some time. We recognize the need, but don't' have the experience and can't afford the consultants to set us straight. Pointers to Software analysis/design/development 101 resources would be great. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning ...-Original Message- ...From: Robert Redpath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 12:23 PM ...To: CF-Talk ...Subject: software lifecycle/project management tool/process ...recommendations ... ...We are looking to formalize our software development processes and are ...looking for a tool/process that will help with the project management and ...track the software development lifecycle. ... ...Does anyone have recommendations for either? ... ...Do folks use MS Project or another tool for project management? ... ...How about FLiP? Anyone use it for development? ... ...As always freeware is great but it's necessary. ... ...Thanks, ... ...Bob ... ... ... ... ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191393 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I am a reluctant user of MS Project. All I can say is don't use it! MS Project is good for very large projects with lots of details and many people, but it has several significant shortcomings, IMO. - It is a desktop app. Why? And Project 2000 isn't even Web-enabled. I don't know about 2003, maybe it has improved in this area. To me, the whole point of using an app like Project is to automate the management of a project, and this system just doesn't cut it. There are plenty of Web-based Project imitators out there that do a compentent job. - It is too rigid. Task chaining, timelines, all of that stuff is too rigid, at least for me. I like more flexibility to add items and fill in details later. You can sort of do that with project, but it's a pain. - Did I mention the lack of automation? My general issue with this factor is that you end up spending more time managing the project plan than managing the project. So what do I do instead? Mostly I use email and a whiteboard, and periodic high-level status reports to track progress. I've been meaning to build myself a tool that fits my process for about three years now, I just haven't gotten around to it. I recommend that you define your process before you pick a tool to use for the process. You may find that once you define the process you want to use for project management, the tool selection falls into place. We are looking to formalize our software development processes and are looking for a tool/process that will help with the project management and track the software development lifecycle. Does anyone have recommendations for either? Do folks use MS Project or another tool for project management? How about FLiP? Anyone use it for development? As always freeware is great but it's necessary. Thanks, Bob ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191411 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: software lifecycle/project management tool/process recommendations
Can anybody recommend any good resources on tried and true definitions of the process? That is where we are stuck at. Our organization lacks the experience of large software design so we have no real process. But we are getting more and more of it. I've been tasked with learning how this is done, and presenting it. But I have little idea where to start. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning ...-Original Message- ...From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 1:30 PM ...To: CF-Talk ...Subject: Re: software lifecycle/project management tool/process ...recommendations ... ...I am a reluctant user of MS Project. All I can say is don't use it! MS ...Project is good for very large projects with lots of details and many ...people, but it has several significant shortcomings, IMO. ... ...- It is a desktop app. Why? And Project 2000 isn't even Web-enabled. I ...don't know about 2003, maybe it has improved in this area. To me, the ...whole point of using an app like Project is to automate the management ...of a project, and this system just doesn't cut it. There are plenty of ...Web-based Project imitators out there that do a compentent job. ... ...- It is too rigid. Task chaining, timelines, all of that stuff is too ...rigid, at least for me. I like more flexibility to add items and fill in ...details later. You can sort of do that with project, but it's a pain. ... ...- Did I mention the lack of automation? My general issue with this factor ...is that you end up spending more time managing the project plan than ...managing the project. ... ...So what do I do instead? Mostly I use email and a whiteboard, and ...periodic high-level status reports to track progress. I've been meaning ...to build myself a tool that fits my process for about three years now, I ...just haven't gotten around to it. ... ...I recommend that you define your process before you pick a tool to use ...for the process. You may find that once you define the process you want ...to use for project management, the tool selection falls into place. ... ... ... ... We are looking to formalize our software development processes and are ... looking for a tool/process that will help with the project management ... and track the software development lifecycle. ... ... Does anyone have recommendations for either? ... ... Do folks use MS Project or another tool for project management? ... ... How about FLiP? Anyone use it for development? ... ... As always freeware is great but it's necessary. ... ... Thanks, ... ... Bob ... ... ... ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191413 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: software lifecycle/project management tool/process recommendations
M$ Project does have a web enabled tool via M$, Project Central its called, unless they rnamed it again. I have not seen it in a couple years, but I set it up once. It would shoot emails out and such and allow users to login to see their tasks and all. Doug On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:30:22 -0400, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a reluctant user of MS Project. All I can say is don't use it! MS Project is good for very large projects with lots of details and many people, but it has several significant shortcomings, IMO. - It is a desktop app. Why? And Project 2000 isn't even Web-enabled. I don't know about 2003, maybe it has improved in this area. To me, the whole point of using an app like Project is to automate the management of a project, and this system just doesn't cut it. There are plenty of Web-based Project imitators out there that do a compentent job. - It is too rigid. Task chaining, timelines, all of that stuff is too rigid, at least for me. I like more flexibility to add items and fill in details later. You can sort of do that with project, but it's a pain. - Did I mention the lack of automation? My general issue with this factor is that you end up spending more time managing the project plan than managing the project. So what do I do instead? Mostly I use email and a whiteboard, and periodic high-level status reports to track progress. I've been meaning to build myself a tool that fits my process for about three years now, I just haven't gotten around to it. I recommend that you define your process before you pick a tool to use for the process. You may find that once you define the process you want to use for project management, the tool selection falls into place. We are looking to formalize our software development processes and are looking for a tool/process that will help with the project management and track the software development lifecycle. Does anyone have recommendations for either? Do folks use MS Project or another tool for project management? How about FLiP? Anyone use it for development? As always freeware is great but it's necessary. Thanks, Bob ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191416 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
