[cfaussie] Re: Path to the site root directory
Have a look atExpandPath( /) On 6/22/06, Scott Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello,Is there a programmatical way of returning the root directory of the website, regardless of the current page's location within the site? egThe site http://mysite/somepage.cfm = c:\mysites\application\the site http://mysite/admin/somepage.cfm = c:\mysites\application\ Currently this location is stored in the database... but I don't think this is the best methodScott Thornton, ProgrammerApplication DevelopmentInformation Services and Telecommunications Hunter-New England Area Health Servicep: +61 02 49213589m: 0413800242 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Path to the site root directory
cfset thisPath=ExpandPath(/) cfset rootDirectory=GetDirectoryFromPath(thisPath) or am I missing something? - Original Message - From: Scott Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: [cfaussie] Path to the site root directory Hello, Is there a programmatical way of returning the root directory of the website, regardless of the current page's location within the site? eg The site http://mysite/somepage.cfm = c:\mysites\application\ the site http://mysite/admin/somepage.cfm = c:\mysites\application\ Currently this location is stored in the database... but I don't think this is the best method Scott Thornton, Programmer Application Development Information Services and Telecommunications Hunter-New England Area Health Service p: +61 02 49213589 m: 0413800242 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Path to the site root directory
put this in your application.cfm application.path = getDirectoryFromPath( getCurrentTemplatePath() ); On 6/22/06, Scott Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,Is there a programmatical way of returning the root directory of the website, regardless of the current page's location within the site? egThe site http://mysite/somepage.cfm = c:\mysites\application\the site http://mysite/admin/somepage.cfm = c:\mysites\application\ Currently this location is stored in the database... but I don't think this is the best methodScott Thornton, ProgrammerApplication DevelopmentInformation Services and Telecommunications Hunter-New England Area Health Servicep: +61 02 49213589m: 0413800242-- Taco Fleur - http://www.pacificfox.com.au Web Design, Web development, Graphic Design and Complete Internet Solutionsan industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 … --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Path to the site root directory
Hi Rod. Your code below when run from http://127.0.0.1/platypus2/Untitled-1.cfm returns C:\CFusionMX\wwwroot\ which is very odd, as my site is actually d:\websites\platypus2\ It also returns the same when run from http://platypus2/Untitled-1.cfm Fromthe docs ... This function does not reliably use virtual mappings that are defined in IIS, Apache, or other Web servers. My local site is a virtual mapping... but the test site is just a normal website CF MX 6.1, IIS6 Strange. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/06/2006 5:14 pm cfset thisPath=ExpandPath(/) cfset rootDirectory=GetDirectoryFromPath(thisPath) or am I missing something? - Original Message - From: Scott Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: [cfaussie] Path to the site root directory Hello, Is there a programmatical way of returning the root directory of the website, regardless of the current page's location within the site? eg The site http://mysite/somepage.cfm = c:\mysites\application\ the site http://mysite/admin/somepage.cfm = c:\mysites\application\ Currently this location is stored in the database... but I don't think this is the best method Scott Thornton, Programmer Application Development Information Services and Telecommunications Hunter-New England Area Health Service p: +61 02 49213589 m: 0413800242 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Path to the site root directory
actually... cfset thisPath=ExpandPath(./) is a bit closer to what I am after. but when used from a subdirectory of the site... it returns the subdirectory too. I was hoping to avoid that. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/06/2006 5:14 pm cfset thisPath=ExpandPath(/) cfset rootDirectory=GetDirectoryFromPath(thisPath) or am I missing something? - Original Message - From: Scott Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: [cfaussie] Path to the site root directory Hello, Is there a programmatical way of returning the root directory of the website, regardless of the current page's location within the site? eg The site http://mysite/somepage.cfm = c:\mysites\application\ the site http://mysite/admin/somepage.cfm = c:\mysites\application\ Currently this location is stored in the database... but I don't think this is the best method Scott Thornton, Programmer Application Development Information Services and Telecommunications Hunter-New England Area Health Service p: +61 02 49213589 m: 0413800242 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Melbourne Coldfusion Design and Development User Group Meeting (Was CFUG)
Guys, I was a bit dissapointed to see that the majority of people who came down to the meeting where mostly the guys that I had pulled down from work. We had a total of 6 people at the meeting, including myself and Steve - and 3 of the others were people I work with. Considering that every 3 months or so we have a huge flame war about how apparently there are no CF jobs out there - I would have thought there would have been more people around looking to boost the strength of Coldfusion in out local area. What's going on guys? What can we do to get this User Group up and running again? Mark On 6/22/06, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the merger complete between Macromedia into Adobe, a new User Group has been formed to roll the ColdFusion User Group and Macromedia User Group in a super group called the ColdFusion Design and Development User Group. This new group will not only cover the classic ColdFusion development topics, but will also begin to cover other developer and design products such as FLASH, Photoshop, PDF development and other Adobe products. Moving away from our past core audience of developers, we will be looking at expanding into the design audience introducing them to website development techniques and introducing developers to the design product set, giving everyone something to look forward to. Our next scheduled meeting for the Victorian ColdFusion Design and Development User Group will be Thursday, the 22nd of June, at VTR Consulting starting at 7:00pm. VTR Consulting has moved and is now located at Level 2, 212 Barkly Street, St Kilda. Special guest presenter Mark Mandel, will be giving us all a run down on his open source project Transfer Object Relational Mapping library for ColdFusion. Transfer automates the process of writing a Data Access Object and Business Object code by generating Business Objects on the fly and automating the SQL for creating, reading, updating and deleting these objects. The presentation will look at what an Object Relational Mapping tool does, the capabilities of Transfer, how to use it, and a small example application. Visit http://www.compoundtheory.com/transfer/ to check out what it's all about. We will also be taking a look at using Video in FLASH and a short FLASH Remoting primer for those people who are looking at embarking on using FLASH and ColdFusion together. The introduction of a short but sweet Tips and Tricks segment will be our closing. This segment is designed to shed some light on some cool program shortcuts and tricks to make developing and designing that much faster. This meeting we will be looking at some nifty Adobe Photoshop shortcuts to make your life easier. As always there will be giveaways, giveaways and more giveaways including books, t-shirts and webDU merchandise from the last webDU Conference in Sydney. After the meeting we can go to one of the many pubs/cafes nearby for a drink or a feed. Just a reminder about the CFAUSSIE lists, anyone who isn't registered should be. It's the best place to get help or even just have a rant:P Go to the cfaussie google group to register. To subscribe to the , send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with SUBSCRIBE in the subject line. Hope to see you there. -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com ICQ: 3094740 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Melbourne Coldfusion Design and Development User Group Meeting (Was CFUG)
What's going on guys? What can we do to get this User Group up and running again? Persistence for starters. I remember my first Saturday on-air as a community radio DJ with a 4pm slot. I was all excited about the concert tickets I had to give away. Not a caller to be found. Just keep plugging away, don't get frustrated, stay positive, try different things, find out what works. Don't flame us for not going, tell us how great it was, make us wish we were there, make us want to go to the next one. Don't focus on the numbers, or else that's what we will focus on. You focus on the cool stuff, so will we. You're leading this charge. I want to think about what I missed, not how small it was. We all run into this in the dev world. We release a project, no uptake, must be the damn audience. Find out what will work for the audience you have as well as ways of increasing the audience size. There's also a larger issue of Cold Fusion penetration in the marketplace. I never ran into it when selling into the tradition web dev market with players like Atomic Media, Reactive, DT Design, WDG, ARES or Clemenger. Maybe some of the smaller ones, which there are plenty. Good luck, keep your chin up. Glad someones doing it, because it is a hard slog to start anything. Chad --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Melbourne Coldfusion Design and Development User Group Meeting (Was CFUG)
I can't talk on behalf of Steve, but I would like to see this conversation kept going - a) Where is better location for you guys? Getting to St Kilda from the city is really not a huge deal I would have thought - take the Tram straight down St Kilda Rd to Carlisle St and a short walk from there. But I can't talk - it's an easy drive for me as I work in South Melbourne. b) I have no idea if it's a possibility, but would you join in the presentations if they were breeze'd? When I want BACFUG while I was in the US I noticed they did that - but their user base is wider in terms of location. (not just San Fran, but Santa Clara, San Diego etc) c) I have told Steve I'm more than happy to do the presentation again if there is interest. On 6/23/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to come and would have suggested my guys come also. But the location is really bad for me, I work in the CBD and there isn't really any easy way to get to that place without going home and getting the car first. I also think that taking 6 months to organise the first meeting this year is ridiculous, if they were regular and interesting you would build up a following. But for me, not at that location. Regards Dale Fraser -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com ICQ: 3094740 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Melbourne Coldfusion Design and Development User Group Meeting (Was CFUG)
If 6 months is a ridiculous amount of time to wait for a meeting, then should we assume that you'll be organising the venue, topics and speakers for the next meeting in 4 weeks time? You'll actually need to have it organised within about 3 weeks, as you'll need to start promoting it for the week leading up to the meeting. I'd bet large sums of money that Steve would accept any and all help in this manner. If you're not happy with what's being offered, and think there's any small amount you can offer, then offer it! These are community meetings. Run for the community, by the community. You could insert a John F Kennedy quote in here about not asking for things, but I won't. Regards Darren Tracey CFUG QLD Manager Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Melbourne Coldfusion Design and Development User Group Meeting (Was CFUG)
Hi Mark, I would like to thank you for your excellent presentation and new ideas and techniques you shared with us. Many thanks to Steve, who did organise the venue and made this event happened as well as nice Macromedia and WebDU t-shirts. Thanks for other mates, who did manage to arrive, even later. That was my first CFUG meeting in Melbourne and it went well, but I was quite disappointed to be the only newcomer at this event. Anyway it was a good start and I hope to have such meetings on regular basis and might be contributing to it at some point. Best regards, Dmitry Yakhnov Web Developer http://www.yakhnov.info/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:26 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Melbourne Coldfusion Design and Development User Group Meeting (Was CFUG) Guys, I was a bit dissapointed to see that the majority of people who came down to the meeting where mostly the guys that I had pulled down from work. We had a total of 6 people at the meeting, including myself and Steve - and 3 of the others were people I work with. Considering that every 3 months or so we have a huge flame war about how apparently there are no CF jobs out there - I would have thought there would have been more people around looking to boost the strength of Coldfusion in out local area. What's going on guys? What can we do to get this User Group up and running again? Mark On 6/22/06, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the merger complete between Macromedia into Adobe, a new User Group has been formed to roll the ColdFusion User Group and Macromedia User Group in a super group called the ColdFusion Design and Development User Group. This new group will not only cover the classic ColdFusion development topics, but will also begin to cover other developer and design products such as FLASH, Photoshop, PDF development and other Adobe products. Moving away from our past core audience of developers, we will be looking at expanding into the design audience introducing them to website development techniques and introducing developers to the design product set, giving everyone something to look forward to. Our next scheduled meeting for the Victorian ColdFusion Design and Development User Group will be Thursday, the 22nd of June, at VTR Consulting starting at 7:00pm. VTR Consulting has moved and is now located at Level 2, 212 Barkly Street, St Kilda. Special guest presenter Mark Mandel, will be giving us all a run down on his open source project Transfer Object Relational Mapping library for ColdFusion. Transfer automates the process of writing a Data Access Object and Business Object code by generating Business Objects on the fly and automating the SQL for creating, reading, updating and deleting these objects. The presentation will look at what an Object Relational Mapping tool does, the capabilities of Transfer, how to use it, and a small example application. Visit http://www.compoundtheory.com/transfer/ to check out what it's all about. We will also be taking a look at using Video in FLASH and a short FLASH Remoting primer for those people who are looking at embarking on using FLASH and ColdFusion together. The introduction of a short but sweet Tips and Tricks segment will be our closing. This segment is designed to shed some light on some cool program shortcuts and tricks to make developing and designing that much faster. This meeting we will be looking at some nifty Adobe Photoshop shortcuts to make your life easier. As always there will be giveaways, giveaways and more giveaways including books, t-shirts and webDU merchandise from the last webDU Conference in Sydney. After the meeting we can go to one of the many pubs/cafes nearby for a drink or a feed. Just a reminder about the CFAUSSIE lists, anyone who isn't registered should be. It's the best place to get help or even just have a rant:P Go to the cfaussie google group to register. To subscribe to the , send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with SUBSCRIBE in the subject line. Hope to see you there. -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com ICQ: 3094740 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Melbourne Coldfusion Design and Development User Group Meeting (Was CFUG)
To that point actually Darren, If you ever want me to do a presentation on Transfer, just let me know where and when. I'll probably have to get you to setup a Breeze type broadcast up to you guys, as I'm in Melbourne, and I don't tend to fly around too much ;o) Ditto goes for Sydney, and any other CFUG in Australia I'm not aware of. (or anywhere else for that matter) Regards, Mark On 6/23/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If 6 months is a ridiculous amount of time to wait for a meeting, then should we assume that you'll be organising the venue, topics and speakers for the next meeting in 4 weeks time? You'll actually need to have it organised within about 3 weeks, as you'll need to start promoting it for the week leading up to the meeting. I'd bet large sums of money that Steve would accept any and all help in this manner. If you're not happy with what's being offered, and think there's any small amount you can offer, then offer it! These are community meetings. Run for the community, by the community. You could insert a John F Kennedy quote in here about not asking for things, but I won't. Regards Darren Tracey CFUG QLD Manager Australia -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com ICQ: 3094740 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Melbourne Coldfusion Design and Development User Group Meeting (Was CFUG)
If everyone here thinks it's cool to run this thing every 6-9 months and expects that everyone will attend, then we are kidding ourselves. Regards Dale Fraser -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Tracey Sent: Friday, 23 June 2006 11:16 AM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Melbourne Coldfusion Design and Development User Group Meeting (Was CFUG) If 6 months is a ridiculous amount of time to wait for a meeting, then should we assume that you'll be organising the venue, topics and speakers for the next meeting in 4 weeks time? You'll actually need to have it organised within about 3 weeks, as you'll need to start promoting it for the week leading up to the meeting. I'd bet large sums of money that Steve would accept any and all help in this manner. If you're not happy with what's being offered, and think there's any small amount you can offer, then offer it! These are community meetings. Run for the community, by the community. You could insert a John F Kennedy quote in here about not asking for things, but I won't. Regards Darren Tracey CFUG QLD Manager Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Melbourne Coldfusion Design and Development User Group Meeting (Was CFUG)
One of the more abused quotes. JFK was the president of the United States motivating a country during his inauguration. Similar principle, but the scale is off a bit. Sure people need to be responsible for their own action. But they need a leader to show how its done. The group is dormant for a reason, because no one has stepped up. JFK didn't make the point to guilt people into doing it, but as part of his campaign as a man of the people, someone they could relate to and believe in.. For every JFK quote, I am reminded of the classical poets Depeche Mode who pointed out people are people. Soccer and Tsunamis show we will go to great lengths for things we get excited about, things we believe in. Get people excited about Cold Fusion and the CFUG, as well as addressing any barriers such as location or convenience and you have yourself a winner. Keep up the great work, and thkns for pushing through! Chad On 6/23/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If 6 months is a ridiculous amount of time to wait for a meeting, then should we assume that you'll be organising the venue, topics and speakers for the next meeting in 4 weeks time? You'll actually need to have it organised within about 3 weeks, as you'll need to start promoting it for the week leading up to the meeting. I'd bet large sums of money that Steve would accept any and all help in this manner. If you're not happy with what's being offered, and think there's any small amount you can offer, then offer it! These are community meetings. Run for the community, by the community. You could insert a John F Kennedy quote in here about not asking for things, but I won't. Regards Darren Tracey CFUG QLD Manager Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Melbourne Coldfusion Design and Development User Group Meeting (Was CFUG)
Dmitry, Was nice meeting you! I hope to see you again at meetings to come! Mark On 6/23/06, Dmitry Yakhnov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark, I would like to thank you for your excellent presentation and new ideas and techniques you shared with us. Many thanks to Steve, who did organise the venue and made this event happened as well as nice Macromedia and WebDU t-shirts. Thanks for other mates, who did manage to arrive, even later. That was my first CFUG meeting in Melbourne and it went well, but I was quite disappointed to be the only newcomer at this event. Anyway it was a good start and I hope to have such meetings on regular basis and might be contributing to it at some point. Best regards, Dmitry Yakhnov Web Developer http://www.yakhnov.info/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:26 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Melbourne Coldfusion Design and Development User Group Meeting (Was CFUG) Guys, I was a bit dissapointed to see that the majority of people who came down to the meeting where mostly the guys that I had pulled down from work. We had a total of 6 people at the meeting, including myself and Steve - and 3 of the others were people I work with. Considering that every 3 months or so we have a huge flame war about how apparently there are no CF jobs out there - I would have thought there would have been more people around looking to boost the strength of Coldfusion in out local area. What's going on guys? What can we do to get this User Group up and running again? Mark On 6/22/06, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the merger complete between Macromedia into Adobe, a new User Group has been formed to roll the ColdFusion User Group and Macromedia User Group in a super group called the ColdFusion Design and Development User Group. This new group will not only cover the classic ColdFusion development topics, but will also begin to cover other developer and design products such as FLASH, Photoshop, PDF development and other Adobe products. Moving away from our past core audience of developers, we will be looking at expanding into the design audience introducing them to website development techniques and introducing developers to the design product set, giving everyone something to look forward to. Our next scheduled meeting for the Victorian ColdFusion Design and Development User Group will be Thursday, the 22nd of June, at VTR Consulting starting at 7:00pm. VTR Consulting has moved and is now located at Level 2, 212 Barkly Street, St Kilda. Special guest presenter Mark Mandel, will be giving us all a run down on his open source project Transfer Object Relational Mapping library for ColdFusion. Transfer automates the process of writing a Data Access Object and Business Object code by generating Business Objects on the fly and automating the SQL for creating, reading, updating and deleting these objects. The presentation will look at what an Object Relational Mapping tool does, the capabilities of Transfer, how to use it, and a small example application. Visit http://www.compoundtheory.com/transfer/ to check out what it's all about. We will also be taking a look at using Video in FLASH and a short FLASH Remoting primer for those people who are looking at embarking on using FLASH and ColdFusion together. The introduction of a short but sweet Tips and Tricks segment will be our closing. This segment is designed to shed some light on some cool program shortcuts and tricks to make developing and designing that much faster. This meeting we will be looking at some nifty Adobe Photoshop shortcuts to make your life easier. As always there will be giveaways, giveaways and more giveaways including books, t-shirts and webDU merchandise from the last webDU Conference in Sydney. After the meeting we can go to one of the many pubs/cafes nearby for a drink or a feed. Just a reminder about the CFAUSSIE lists, anyone who isn't registered should be. It's the best place to get help or even just have a rant:P Go to the cfaussie google group to register. To subscribe to the , send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with SUBSCRIBE in the subject line. Hope to see you there. -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com ICQ: 3094740 -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com ICQ: 3094740 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie
[cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Melbourne Coldfusion Design and Development User Group Meeting (Was CFUG)
Mark, a) Where is better location for you guys? Getting to St Kilda from the city is really not a huge deal I would have thought - take the Tram straight down St Kilda Rd to Carlisle St and a short walk from there. But I can't talk - it's an easy drive for me as I work in South Melbourne. I would like CBD, but the old South Melbourne location was fine because there is lots of parking. As for the tram, looking at the map I didn't think it was that close to St Kilda road, but perhaps I should have another look. b) I have no idea if it's a possibility, but would you join in the presentations if they were breeze'd? When I want BACFUG while I was in the US I noticed they did that - but their user base is wider in terms of location. (not just San Fran, but Santa Clara, San Diego etc) Yes, I would. The down side, is that most people would do this and not attend, which looses the collaboration / community Steve mentioned. c) I have told Steve I'm more than happy to do the presentation again if there is interest. To be totally honest, the topic didn't really spark much interest, but that's because I don't understand it. Regards Dale Fraser --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Melbourne Coldfusion Design and Development User Group Meeting (Was CFUG)
You have to remember its not just a matter of organising the meeting. The guy from VTR hung around till like 9:30pm. The organise a projector and everything for us. Presenters make time to present, I chase down stuff to give away and the general organising of the event and when no one seems to take an interest then you start to think well what's the point which is exactly why the meetings dropped off in the first place. How can the organiser be interested if no one else is? To abuse another JFK quote: We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard. How can anyone be interested if the organiser isn't? That's just backwards thinking. You're leading us. Lead. Or in another light: Do you know how much effort I put into building web sites? How can I be excited about selling them to you if you're not interested after I hold one presentation? You have to look at it as more than just a meeting. Its a bunch of geeks getting together to talk tech and talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] in general, as a group. You're driving it, you detirmine how the group is protrayed. In time, it will develop its own culture, but the organizer will help determine how it is branded. If you say it is a bunch of geeks, then so be it. You can describe it as you think it should be, or describe it as what you think the target audience is looking for with the objective of increasing the group size, your call. There is a lot of people out there in the community and I hope that we can band together so we can learn from each other and educate each other and everyone can benefit in some way. All we need is your input about topics and such to help the group grow and make it interesting for everyone. My recommendation, try putting some newbie stuff on a hook and see who bites. The topics were all a bit foreign for me. I have been deving on the side since 4.1, but am not much more than a copy and paste hack who can build a decent app with the fundamentals but am not interested in breaking new ground. Part of the issue may be the exclusionary feel of a bunch of seasoned coders doing high-end stuff, making up and comers feel dumb. I have tinkered with asp and php and love the simplicity of CF and have gotten a few others onto it, but it is all a bit daunting for someone starting out. I got a guy who may be intrested, but you guys are light years beyond him. You marketing seems to be focused on the niche of existing CF coders in this group, Keep marketing into that, but try different flavours. It is a bit of selling to choir. What about spamming multimedia studios? Other local developer lists who may want to get the basics on a new lanuage? University students? Look forward to hearing what you come up with!!! Give us the plan and specific tasks, and maybe you might get some takers. Chad --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Billing question for contractors ...
Question for those contracting on hourly rates do you bill your clients for lunchtime if you are working on their premises? This arises from a conversation I had with a colleague the other day. I noted down the time we left the office to go buy a sandwich across the road, and he asked what i did that for. I said well I'm not going to bill him for going to buy lunch. My colleague said that he always billed for that time. His logic was .. if he wasnt hired by this client, he wouldn't be at that office. Most likely he'd be working at home having fresh vegetable soup and toast and a bit of this and a bit of that. And more than likely a bit of the other as well. So he was only getting a meazly sandwich for lunch because the client wanted him working on the client's premises. Ergo, the client should pay for his time. If he was working on his own premises, he reasoned, he'd be clocking on and off the job on his own schedule. What do the rest of you make of this? what do you to? Am I dudding myself by only billing the client for hours spent actually working on his project? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Billing question for contractors ...
I never charge for my lunch break, because in my mind I'm not working. So I'm totally with you on that one. It is a fair question tho' Mark On 6/23/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question for those contracting on hourly rates do you bill your clients for lunchtime if you are working on their premises? This arises from a conversation I had with a colleague the other day. I noted down the time we left the office to go buy a sandwich across the road, and he asked what i did that for. I said well I'm not going to bill him for going to buy lunch. My colleague said that he always billed for that time. His logic was .. if he wasnt hired by this client, he wouldn't be at that office. Most likely he'd be working at home having fresh vegetable soup and toast and a bit of this and a bit of that. And more than likely a bit of the other as well. So he was only getting a meazly sandwich for lunch because the client wanted him working on the client's premises. Ergo, the client should pay for his time. If he was working on his own premises, he reasoned, he'd be clocking on and off the job on his own schedule. What do the rest of you make of this? what do you to? Am I dudding myself by only billing the client for hours spent actually working on his project? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com ICQ: 3094740 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Billing question for contractors ...
Mike, All contract jobs that I have done in the past I have not included the lunch break time, fulltime employees don't get paid for it and I don not know any contractor except devious ones who do any such thing as you have described. But then maybe I am too honest:-) Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Transfer presentation slides up
For anyone who is interested, I just put up the slides from my Transfer presentation I did last night at the Melbourne CFUG. Blog Post : http://www.compoundtheory.com/?action=displayPostID=127 Direct Link : http://www.compoundtheory.com/?action=transfer.presentation Hope you find them interesting. Regards, Mark -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com ICQ: 3094740 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Billing question for contractors ...
Personally, I only charge for time worked. If I work while I eat, I charge. I am not providing services when I am getting myself a sandwich. Same goes for what I expect when I use contractors. Under the other argument, then how long is an allowed lunch break to get what I deserve to compensate what I am not getting otherwise? To address the pain of working on-site, you can compensate for travel by either increasing rates or charging a flat travel cost on top of your rates. I have seen this for anything from industrial maintenance to temporary staffing. Chad On 6/23/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question for those contracting on hourly rates do you bill your clients for lunchtime if you are working on their premises? This arises from a conversation I had with a colleague the other day. I noted down the time we left the office to go buy a sandwich across the road, and he asked what i did that for. I said well I'm not going to bill him for going to buy lunch. My colleague said that he always billed for that time. His logic was .. if he wasnt hired by this client, he wouldn't be at that office. Most likely he'd be working at home having fresh vegetable soup and toast and a bit of this and a bit of that. And more than likely a bit of the other as well. So he was only getting a meazly sandwich for lunch because the client wanted him working on the client's premises. Ergo, the client should pay for his time. If he was working on his own premises, he reasoned, he'd be clocking on and off the job on his own schedule. What do the rest of you make of this? what do you to? Am I dudding myself by only billing the client for hours spent actually working on his project? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] To call or not to Call
Hey everyone,
I have been having a discussion for the last couple of days with a
fellow programmer here. And the way we write functions and call them.
Can you give me the pros and cons for the following;
function initialise(id)
{
if(isDefined(id) EQ false) { return; }
CandidateDataAccess =
createObject('component','CandidateDataAccess');
CandidateInstance =
CandidateDataAccess.Candidate_Get(id);
if ( isDefined('CandidateInstance.CandidateId') )
{
this.CandidateId =
candidateInstance.CandidateId;
this.Firstname = candidateInstance.Firstname;
this.Lastname = candidateInstance.Lastname;
return true;
}
else { return false; }
}
OR
cffunction name=CandidateDataAccess access=remote
returntype=any
cfargument name=id type=numeric
REST OF THE FUNCTION AS PER ABOVE
/cffunction
Jeremy
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[cfaussie] Re: To call or not to Call
CFC or a page. So really either. We are looking at it for both instances. What do you mean no typing over the argument? Jeremy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: To call or not to Call
As Mark has pointed out the second method gives you more control, now if this function was to be called via a webservice you would need to write a façade for it, but as mark said you have more control on the type definition of the arguments as well as having defaults and whether they are required or not. Otherwise it would be personal choice, me I would always go the second method over the first, although I have done the first on the odd occasion as well. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: To call or not to Call
Hahahaha. after I sent it I realised what I had said. And the other guy here pointed it out to megot up way to early this morning to watch the soccorOT: AWESOME game! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Billing question for contractors ...
I agree with Steve - I've come across a number of people who follow the view of charging for being onsite etc, but I have a hard time justifying to myself charging for anything other than just the exact hours I worked on documentation and code etc. Toby On 23/06/2006, at 1:38 PM, Steve Onnis wrote: As a contractor, I would only bill a client for the time I was working. If I go for lunch and I am working while im eating then yeah I would bill you for it. If I totally stop and have a break then no I wouldn't bill you. As an employee I don't get paid for lunch so as a contractor I take the same principle. Taking that contractors view, where do you stop? If I wasn't working on site I would be working from home and I wouldn't have a shower and I would just get up 5 minutes before I am gonna start work and park myself in front of the pc when im ready, so that mean I start billing you from when I drag the sheets off myself in the morning? I would be telling him that he's more than welcome to bring his fresh soup in to the office and eat it there but I wouldn't be paying him for a lunch break if he is actually completely stopping for lunch. Steve -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Kear Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 1:27 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Billing question for contractors ... Question for those contracting on hourly rates do you bill your clients for lunchtime if you are working on their premises? This arises from a conversation I had with a colleague the other day. I noted down the time we left the office to go buy a sandwich across the road, and he asked what i did that for. I said well I'm not going to bill him for going to buy lunch. My colleague said that he always billed for that time. His logic was .. if he wasnt hired by this client, he wouldn't be at that office. Most likely he'd be working at home having fresh vegetable soup and toast and a bit of this and a bit of that. And more than likely a bit of the other as well. So he was only getting a meazly sandwich for lunch because the client wanted him working on the client's premises. Ergo, the client should pay for his time. If he was working on his own premises, he reasoned, he'd be clocking on and off the job on his own schedule. What do the rest of you make of this? what do you to? Am I dudding myself by only billing the client for hours spent actually working on his project? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month --- Life is poetry, write it in your own words --- Toby Tremayne Senior Technical Consultant Lyricist Software 0416 048 090 ICQ: 13107913 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Billing question for contractors ...
But then in general, your pain of being onsite is catered for in the onsite rates you charge :) (you being you, me, whomever) Toby On 23/06/2006, at 1:56 PM, Chad Renando wrote: Personally, I only charge for time worked. If I work while I eat, I charge. I am not providing services when I am getting myself a sandwich. Same goes for what I expect when I use contractors. Under the other argument, then how long is an allowed lunch break to get what I deserve to compensate what I am not getting otherwise? To address the pain of working on-site, you can compensate for travel by either increasing rates or charging a flat travel cost on top of your rates. I have seen this for anything from industrial maintenance to temporary staffing. Chad On 6/23/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question for those contracting on hourly rates do you bill your clients for lunchtime if you are working on their premises? This arises from a conversation I had with a colleague the other day. I noted down the time we left the office to go buy a sandwich across the road, and he asked what i did that for. I said well I'm not going to bill him for going to buy lunch. My colleague said that he always billed for that time. His logic was .. if he wasnt hired by this client, he wouldn't be at that office. Most likely he'd be working at home having fresh vegetable soup and toast and a bit of this and a bit of that. And more than likely a bit of the other as well. So he was only getting a meazly sandwich for lunch because the client wanted him working on the client's premises. Ergo, the client should pay for his time. If he was working on his own premises, he reasoned, he'd be clocking on and off the job on his own schedule. What do the rest of you make of this? what do you to? Am I dudding myself by only billing the client for hours spent actually working on his project? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month --- Life is poetry, write it in your own words --- Toby Tremayne Senior Technical Consultant Lyricist Software 0416 048 090 ICQ: 13107913 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Billing question for contractors ...
The only caveat to that is to cover costs, particularly with fuel prices being what they are. If it is in the same town, cool. But if I have to drive for over 15 minutes, I typically tack on a representitive flat fee to cover costs. This isn't to cover my time so much, as I typically public transport and can work or read en route. Even driving, I am not working for them, so they are not getting value for money by paying for that time. But if it costs me $50 in fuel and car wear to get there and back, I just lost a gross $10 per hour off my rate for a 5-hour job. Chad On 6/23/06, Toby Tremayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Steve - I've come across a number of people who follow the view of charging for being onsite etc, but I have a hard time justifying to myself charging for anything other than just the exact hours I worked on documentation and code etc. Toby On 23/06/2006, at 1:38 PM, Steve Onnis wrote: As a contractor, I would only bill a client for the time I was working. If I go for lunch and I am working while im eating then yeah I would bill you for it. If I totally stop and have a break then no I wouldn't bill you. As an employee I don't get paid for lunch so as a contractor I take the same principle. Taking that contractors view, where do you stop? If I wasn't working on site I would be working from home and I wouldn't have a shower and I would just get up 5 minutes before I am gonna start work and park myself in front of the pc when im ready, so that mean I start billing you from when I drag the sheets off myself in the morning? I would be telling him that he's more than welcome to bring his fresh soup in to the office and eat it there but I wouldn't be paying him for a lunch break if he is actually completely stopping for lunch. Steve -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Kear Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 1:27 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Billing question for contractors ... Question for those contracting on hourly rates do you bill your clients for lunchtime if you are working on their premises? This arises from a conversation I had with a colleague the other day. I noted down the time we left the office to go buy a sandwich across the road, and he asked what i did that for. I said well I'm not going to bill him for going to buy lunch. My colleague said that he always billed for that time. His logic was .. if he wasnt hired by this client, he wouldn't be at that office. Most likely he'd be working at home having fresh vegetable soup and toast and a bit of this and a bit of that. And more than likely a bit of the other as well. So he was only getting a meazly sandwich for lunch because the client wanted him working on the client's premises. Ergo, the client should pay for his time. If he was working on his own premises, he reasoned, he'd be clocking on and off the job on his own schedule. What do the rest of you make of this? what do you to? Am I dudding myself by only billing the client for hours spent actually working on his project? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month --- Life is poetry, write it in your own words --- Toby Tremayne Senior Technical Consultant Lyricist Software 0416 048 090 ICQ: 13107913 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
