[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count

[George Lu]

yes, ping from Melbourne

On 05/06/07, Mark Mandel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> wow.. is this thing still going?
>
> Mark
>
> On 6/5/07, dfwise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > FAB,
> >
> > Long time veiwer, first time caller.
> >
> >
> > On Jun 1, 12:02 pm, Matt Voerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi Guys,
> > > Just a quick note to let you guys know that we at the Adobe Australia
> > > office haven't forgotten about you, and do monitor this (and several
> > > other) lists on a regular basis.
> > >
> > > We have a couple of Community related irons in the fire and will
> > > communicate more on them as they solidify.
> > >
> > > What would be of great help to us in the meantime would be a hands up
> > > (head count) on how many Aussie CF'ers are reading this list on a
> > > regular basis. If you could just ping a response to to this thread
> > > that would be grouse.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > > Matt Voerman
> > >
> > > Senior Consultant
> > > Adobe Systems Pacific
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
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[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count

[Barry Beattie]

Mark, yours is the 100th post on this thread but not the 100th person to "ping"

car-mawwnnn! we can d it!!!


"The CFAUSSIE-a-thon is hoping to raise 100 members from the dead."

"The total so far at the tally room comes in at 83 members" (someone
check this?)

"Email now, our inboxes are ready to accept your ping"

"All for a noble cause"

Ahem, Matt... tell us again why did you wanted this in the first place?



On 6/5/07, Mark Mandel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> wow.. is this thing still going?
>
> Mark
>
> On 6/5/07, dfwise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > FAB,
> >
> > Long time veiwer, first time caller.
> >
> >
> > On Jun 1, 12:02 pm, Matt Voerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi Guys,
> > > Just a quick note to let you guys know that we at the Adobe Australia
> > > office haven't forgotten about you, and do monitor this (and several
> > > other) lists on a regular basis.
> > >
> > > We have a couple of Community related irons in the fire and will
> > > communicate more on them as they solidify.
> > >
> > > What would be of great help to us in the meantime would be a hands up
> > > (head count) on how many Aussie CF'ers are reading this list on a
> > > regular basis. If you could just ping a response to to this thread
> > > that would be grouse.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > > Matt Voerman
> > >
> > > Senior Consultant
> > > Adobe Systems Pacific
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> W: www.compoundtheory.com
>
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count

[Mark Mandel]

wow.. is this thing still going?

Mark

On 6/5/07, dfwise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> FAB,
>
> Long time veiwer, first time caller.
>
>
> On Jun 1, 12:02 pm, Matt Voerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> > Just a quick note to let you guys know that we at the Adobe Australia
> > office haven't forgotten about you, and do monitor this (and several
> > other) lists on a regular basis.
> >
> > We have a couple of Community related irons in the fire and will
> > communicate more on them as they solidify.
> >
> > What would be of great help to us in the meantime would be a hands up
> > (head count) on how many Aussie CF'ers are reading this list on a
> > regular basis. If you could just ping a response to to this thread
> > that would be grouse.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Matt Voerman
> >
> > Senior Consultant
> > Adobe Systems Pacific
>
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count

[dfwise]

FAB,

Long time veiwer, first time caller.


On Jun 1, 12:02 pm, Matt Voerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> Just a quick note to let you guys know that we at the Adobe Australia
> office haven't forgotten about you, and do monitor this (and several
> other) lists on a regular basis.
>
> We have a couple of Community related irons in the fire and will
> communicate more on them as they solidify.
>
> What would be of great help to us in the meantime would be a hands up
> (head count) on how many Aussie CF'ers are reading this list on a
> regular basis. If you could just ping a response to to this thread
> that would be grouse.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Matt Voerman
>
> Senior Consultant
> Adobe Systems Pacific


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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Haikal Saadh]

Seems to be 6 of one and 1/2 dozen of another... but if you initialise 
it properly in one place, and it saves you from doing the check in 2 or 
more places, you've come out ahead.

grant wrote:
> @Dale: It throws.
> @Haikal: Good Point. It's that laziness again - setting up and 
> maintaining defaults can be rather tiresome.
>
> On 05/06/07, *Haikal Saadh * <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
>
> Personally, I favour sane defaults rather than having to check for
> presence of variables all the time. And the bigger and more
> complicated
> your data structs get, I think having to check to see if a variable
> exists is a quick path to insanity.
>
> Side effect of eating too much spaghetti...
>
> grant wrote:
> > Wow thanks for the response people. My question is really out of
> pure
> > laziness - I have a huge struct that i need to check a key for -
> the
> > actual key path is
> > session.currentuser.currentreport.filters.currentfilter.filterset ,
> > where filters, currentfilter and filterset may not be present.
> so it's
> > heaps easier to do a
> > isDefined("
> session.currentuser.currentreport.filters.currentfilter.filterset")
> > than structKeyExists(session.currentuser.currentreport , "filters")
> > and structKeyExists(session.currentuser.currentreport.filters ,
> > "currentfilter") and so on.
> >
> > or am i missing something?
> >
> > On 05/06/07, * Haikal Saadh* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> >  >> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Having seen more than my fair share of request scope abuse,
> I can see
> > why he would.
> >
> > I think easy access to request in CF can cause poor code.
> But then
> > again, guns don't kill people,  people kill people, right?
> >
> > Peter Tilbrook wrote:
> > > I agree (disciplined) but he then bagged the "request"
> scope so
> > now I
> > > am not so sure.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
>
>
>
>
> >


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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Dale Fraser]

Then I'll stick to my original statement that there is nothing wrong with
isDefined it's better than embedded structKeyExists.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of grant
Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2007 11:02 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

 

@Dale: It throws.
@Haikal: Good Point. It's that laziness again - setting up and maintaining
defaults can be rather tiresome.

On 05/06/07, Haikal Saadh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Personally, I favour sane defaults rather than having to check for
presence of variables all the time. And the bigger and more complicated
your data structs get, I think having to check to see if a variable
exists is a quick path to insanity. 

Side effect of eating too much spaghetti...

grant wrote:
> Wow thanks for the response people. My question is really out of pure
> laziness - I have a huge struct that i need to check a key for - the 
> actual key path is
> session.currentuser.currentreport.filters.currentfilter.filterset ,
> where filters, currentfilter and filterset may not be present. so it's
> heaps easier to do a
> isDefined("
session.currentuser.currentreport.filters.currentfilter.filterset")
> than structKeyExists(session.currentuser.currentreport , "filters")
> and structKeyExists(session.currentuser.currentreport.filters ,
> "currentfilter") and so on.
>
> or am i missing something?
>
> On 05/06/07, * Haikal Saadh* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
>
> Having seen more than my fair share of request scope abuse, I can see
> why he would.
>
> I think easy access to request in CF can cause poor code. But then 
> again, guns don't kill people,  people kill people, right?
>
> Peter Tilbrook wrote:
> > I agree (disciplined) but he then bagged the "request" scope so
> now I 
> > am not so sure.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> >







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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[grant]

@Dale: It throws.
@Haikal: Good Point. It's that laziness again - setting up and maintaining
defaults can be rather tiresome.

On 05/06/07, Haikal Saadh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Personally, I favour sane defaults rather than having to check for
> presence of variables all the time. And the bigger and more complicated
> your data structs get, I think having to check to see if a variable
> exists is a quick path to insanity.
>
> Side effect of eating too much spaghetti...
>
> grant wrote:
> > Wow thanks for the response people. My question is really out of pure
> > laziness - I have a huge struct that i need to check a key for - the
> > actual key path is
> > session.currentuser.currentreport.filters.currentfilter.filterset ,
> > where filters, currentfilter and filterset may not be present. so it's
> > heaps easier to do a
> > isDefined("
> session.currentuser.currentreport.filters.currentfilter.filterset")
> > than structKeyExists(session.currentuser.currentreport , "filters")
> > and structKeyExists(session.currentuser.currentreport.filters,
> > "currentfilter") and so on.
> >
> > or am i missing something?
> >
> > On 05/06/07, * Haikal Saadh* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Having seen more than my fair share of request scope abuse, I can
> see
> > why he would.
> >
> > I think easy access to request in CF can cause poor code. But then
> > again, guns don't kill people,  people kill people, right?
> >
> > Peter Tilbrook wrote:
> > > I agree (disciplined) but he then bagged the "request" scope so
> > now I
> > > am not so sure.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
>
>
> >
>

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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Haikal Saadh]

Personally, I favour sane defaults rather than having to check for 
presence of variables all the time. And the bigger and more complicated 
your data structs get, I think having to check to see if a variable 
exists is a quick path to insanity.

Side effect of eating too much spaghetti...

grant wrote:
> Wow thanks for the response people. My question is really out of pure 
> laziness - I have a huge struct that i need to check a key for - the 
> actual key path is 
> session.currentuser.currentreport.filters.currentfilter.filterset , 
> where filters, currentfilter and filterset may not be present. so it's 
> heaps easier to do a 
> isDefined("session.currentuser.currentreport.filters.currentfilter.filterset")
>  
> than structKeyExists(session.currentuser.currentreport , "filters") 
> and structKeyExists(session.currentuser.currentreport.filters, 
> "currentfilter") and so on.
>
> or am i missing something?
>
> On 05/06/07, * Haikal Saadh* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
>
> Having seen more than my fair share of request scope abuse, I can see
> why he would.
>
> I think easy access to request in CF can cause poor code. But then
> again, guns don't kill people,  people kill people, right?
>
> Peter Tilbrook wrote:
> > I agree (disciplined) but he then bagged the "request" scope so
> now I
> > am not so sure.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> >


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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Dale Fraser]

I think you can just do

 



 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

  http://dalefraser.blogspot.com

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of grant
Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2007 10:39 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

 

Wow thanks for the response people. My question is really out of pure
laziness - I have a huge struct that i need to check a key for - the actual
key path is
session.currentuser.currentreport.filters.currentfilter.filterset , where
filters, currentfilter and filterset may not be present. so it's heaps
easier to do a
isDefined("session.currentuser.currentreport.filters.currentfilter.filterset
") than structKeyExists(session.currentuser.currentreport , "filters") and
structKeyExists(session.currentuser.currentreport.filters, "currentfilter")
and so on.

or am i missing something?

On 05/06/07, Haikal Saadh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Having seen more than my fair share of request scope abuse, I can see
why he would.

I think easy access to request in CF can cause poor code. But then
again, guns don't kill people,  people kill people, right? 

Peter Tilbrook wrote:
> I agree (disciplined) but he then bagged the "request" scope so now I
> am not so sure.
>
>

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[cfaussie] Re: asReports V0.2 alpha released

[Dale Fraser]

It did initially support the Active X viewer, and we found that there were
browser issues getting it installed.

We did however have a fix for that, can't remember the URL, but we gave our
users a specific url to browse to which forced the active X to install.

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dalefraser.blogspot.com

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Scott Thornton
Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2007 9:31 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] asReports V0.2 alpha released


We have loads of problems with the ActiveX viewer most staff are not
local admins and cannot install the viewer when it runs for the first time.

I just prefer it as I can navigate through the groups on the report much
easier as compared to when displayed in .pdf

>>> "Andrew Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/06/2007 9:22 am >>>
Scott,

Yes it handles sub reports, and no it doesn't use ActiveX viewer. I found
that cumbersum, and my boss at the time (Hi Dale) had designed a more
elligant approach.

The main idea is that you can use cfcontent to deliver the report to the
browser one it is created.

However I might look into adding the ActiveX viewer down the track.

The paramters are just a list, and they need to be the same number that is
required. Which means if one needs to be null you need to do a ListtFix (UDF
on cflib.org).





On 6/5/07, Scott Thornton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Can it also open the report in the Crystal ActiveX viewer?
>
> Does it handle reports with multiple subreports?
>
> I had a (brief) look at it late last night. I will need to check how to
> pass the report parameters (for stored procedures) and pass it selection
> criteria.
>
> We are a huge Crystal 9 site, and I can see the benefit in this
>
> >>> "Andrew Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/06/2007 5:55 pm >>>
> For those of you who do not know, I have re designed some code I wrote a
> few
> years ago.
>
> This application is asReports, which allows you to run a Crystal Report
> from
> within Coldfusion. This has been tested on CFMX 7.02 & Coldfusion 8, but
> as
> now been released to the general public as V0.2 alpha.
>
> The wiki on http://asReports.riaforge.org is work in progress, but have
> placed an example on how to use it.
>
> Some of the features, server side printing, the ability to change the
> Datasource, Database and username on the fly, without having to open the
> report and reconnect to another database. Save the report as PDF, Xcel or
> even as a Word document.
>
> The major update to this version is that I have added a Factory so that it
> can be used against many different versions, which as time goes on will be
> included for out of the box support.
>
> This has been tested on Crsytal Reports V10.
>
>
> --
>
> Senior Coldfusion Developer
> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> www.aegeon.com.au 
> Phone: +613  8676 4223
> Mobile: 0404 998 273
>
>
>
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[grant]

Wow thanks for the response people. My question is really out of pure
laziness - I have a huge struct that i need to check a key for - the actual
key path is
session.currentuser.currentreport.filters.currentfilter.filterset, where
filters, currentfilter and filterset may not be present. so it's heaps
easier to do a isDefined("
session.currentuser.currentreport.filters.currentfilter.filterset") than
structKeyExists(session.currentuser.currentreport, "filters") and
structKeyExists(session.currentuser.currentreport.filters, "currentfilter")
and so on.

or am i missing something?

On 05/06/07, Haikal Saadh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Having seen more than my fair share of request scope abuse, I can see
> why he would.
>
> I think easy access to request in CF can cause poor code. But then
> again, guns don't kill people,  people kill people, right?
>
> Peter Tilbrook wrote:
> > I agree (disciplined) but he then bagged the "request" scope so now I
> > am not so sure.
> >
> >
>
>
> >
>

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[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count

[Barry Beattie]

> It brings a tear to my eye to see all these numbers - Solidarity
> Brothers!

"Soli-darity For-ever
"Buntel dressed up in tight leather
"Ben Forta left standing in the weather
"For Cold-Fusion makes us strong"

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[cfaussie] Re: CF Cluster on one machine!?

[Taco Fleur]

I like this. Just the excuse I was looking for, let's wait and see if there
are any major negatives ;-)

On 6/5/07, Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> We run 2 machines via a load balancer with sticky sessions, then have
> 3 instances on each machine. the default instance runs testing and
> staging sites, and then we have a cluster that runs 2 instances for
> the production application.
>
> It runs great. The best advantage is that if one instance gets stuck
> with some long running thread the other instance can start taking more
> load and that happens alot faster than a load balancer can recognise a
> problem, this means users get a better experience.
>
> My view on this is that its worth doing, you are effectively adding
> more servers with out the cost of more rackspace.
>
> Its cheap to add some more RAM to hold it all together.
>
> On 6/5/07, Haikal Saadh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Remember that as you add instances, resources available to each
> > individual cluster drops.
> >
> > Now, rather than having stage and live on one machine, wouldn't it make
> > more sense to have two machines?
> >
> > * One for the live.
> > * Second one for stage, with maybe an additional instance clustered
> >   with live for failover?
> >
> > Then you get all the _real_ benefits of having a cluster.
> >
> > Although, I still cringe at the thought of stage and live code running
> > on the same box.
> >
> > Taco Fleur wrote:
> > > I am hoping to get some input on the following.
> > >
> > > I have one instance of CF running and one is dormant (STAGING) to
> > > upload new code to and test it out before moving to LIVE.
> > > We are starting out with one machine for CF and will tag on more as
> > > the need arises, my question is, would there be any benefit of putting
> > > a cluster on one machine? The only benefit I could see if the fact
> > > that if one crashes the other one on the same machine takes over. But
> > > its highly likely that the problem on the first instance will
> > > replicate to the second instance in the cluster.. So I'm not sure
> > > anymore... I'm hoping someone can give me a reason to do it, so I can
> > > finally setup my first cluster (yeah)...
> > >
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> > >
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> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
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[cfaussie] Re: CF Cluster on one machine!?

[Taco Fleur]

Yup, it would make more sense to have another machine for the cluster, but
as specified, we don't have that luxury at the moment. And I'm basically
looking for an excuse (where there isn't one yet) to install a cluster on
one machine (I'm like a boy with a new toy).

I prefer my staging on the exact same machine as LIVE so it mimics the *
exact* live environment. Since its running on a different instance it should
not affect the live instance if it crashes.


On 6/5/07, Haikal Saadh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Remember that as you add instances, resources available to each
> individual cluster drops.
>
> Now, rather than having stage and live on one machine, wouldn't it make
> more sense to have two machines?
>
>* One for the live.
>* Second one for stage, with maybe an additional instance clustered
>  with live for failover?
>
> Then you get all the _real_ benefits of having a cluster.
>
> Although, I still cringe at the thought of stage and live code running
> on the same box.
>
> Taco Fleur wrote:
> > I am hoping to get some input on the following.
> >
> > I have one instance of CF running and one is dormant (STAGING) to
> > upload new code to and test it out before moving to LIVE.
> > We are starting out with one machine for CF and will tag on more as
> > the need arises, my question is, would there be any benefit of putting
> > a cluster on one machine? The only benefit I could see if the fact
> > that if one crashes the other one on the same machine takes over. But
> > its highly likely that the problem on the first instance will
> > replicate to the second instance in the cluster.. So I'm not sure
> > anymore... I'm hoping someone can give me a reason to do it, so I can
> > finally setup my first cluster (yeah)...
> >
> > --
> > http://www.clickfind.com.au
> > The new Australian search engine for businesses, products and services
> >
> > >
>
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: CF Cluster

[Taco Fleur]

I'm guessing the cf instance can tehn be disabled - untill I need to manage
the cluster again?

On 6/5/07, Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Yep, you will end up with 4 services, a jrun manager, a cf manager,
> and 2 instances that you can cluster.
>
> the jrun manager service hosts Jrun (duh) and then that runs the
> default cf instance. this is the only cf instance that gives you the
> cluster manager in administrator. Once you create another instance you
> will notice that it doesnt have the cluster manager options.
>
> On 6/4/07, Peter Tilbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I think you are correct on this also. I also remember the "samples"
> > instance not being active by default. So yes create a new Instance -
> > and the beauty of that is it could be a CF6.x, 7.x and now 8.x if
> > required. Of course the resources consumed can be extreme.
> >
> > On 04/06/07, Haikal Saadh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > This is digging into memory so deep that I might as well be pulling it
> > > out of my bum, but I think it might have something to do with the fact
> > > that when running multi instance, you're not supposed to use the
> > > 'default' instance? That's meant to be there for just the jRun
> > > Management Console and such stuff to run.
> > >
> > > In our setup, we have (had?) left the default instances alone, and
> made
> > > new ones for actual use.
> > >
> > > 30 second google didn't turn up any evidence to confirm this, so take
> it
> > > with a bag of salt, but I vaguely remember this as being the case.
> > >
> > > Taco Fleur wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just wondering when setting up a cluster in CF Ent. why can't one
> add
> > > > the default instance to the cluster?
> > > > It looks to me like I would need to have 3 instances, and only two
> can
> > > > be added to a cluster.
> > > >
> > > > I've created an instance of CF, created a cluster and was expecting
> to
> > > > be able to add the default instance plus the one I created.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > > --
> > > > http://www.clickfind.com.au
> > > > The new Australian search engine for businesses, products and
> services
> > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Peter Tilbrook
> > ColdGen Internet Solutions
> > President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group
> > PO Box 2247
> > Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620
> > AUSTRALIA
> >
> > http://www.coldgen.com/
> > http://www.actcfug.com/
> >
> > Tel: +61-2-6284-2727
> > Mob: +61-0432-897-437
> >
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > MSN Messenger Live: Desktop General
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
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[cfaussie] asReports V0.2 alpha released

[Scott Thornton]

We have loads of problems with the ActiveX viewer most staff are not local 
admins and cannot install the viewer when it runs for the first time.

I just prefer it as I can navigate through the groups on the report much easier 
as compared to when displayed in .pdf

>>> "Andrew Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/06/2007 9:22 am >>>
Scott,

Yes it handles sub reports, and no it doesn't use ActiveX viewer. I found
that cumbersum, and my boss at the time (Hi Dale) had designed a more
elligant approach.

The main idea is that you can use cfcontent to deliver the report to the
browser one it is created.

However I might look into adding the ActiveX viewer down the track.

The paramters are just a list, and they need to be the same number that is
required. Which means if one needs to be null you need to do a ListtFix (UDF
on cflib.org).





On 6/5/07, Scott Thornton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Can it also open the report in the Crystal ActiveX viewer?
>
> Does it handle reports with multiple subreports?
>
> I had a (brief) look at it late last night. I will need to check how to
> pass the report parameters (for stored procedures) and pass it selection
> criteria.
>
> We are a huge Crystal 9 site, and I can see the benefit in this
>
> >>> "Andrew Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/06/2007 5:55 pm >>>
> For those of you who do not know, I have re designed some code I wrote a
> few
> years ago.
>
> This application is asReports, which allows you to run a Crystal Report
> from
> within Coldfusion. This has been tested on CFMX 7.02 & Coldfusion 8, but
> as
> now been released to the general public as V0.2 alpha.
>
> The wiki on http://asReports.riaforge.org is work in progress, but have
> placed an example on how to use it.
>
> Some of the features, server side printing, the ability to change the
> Datasource, Database and username on the fly, without having to open the
> report and reconnect to another database. Save the report as PDF, Xcel or
> even as a Word document.
>
> The major update to this version is that I have added a Factory so that it
> can be used against many different versions, which as time goes on will be
> included for out of the box support.
>
> This has been tested on Crsytal Reports V10.
>
>
> --
>
> Senior Coldfusion Developer
> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> www.aegeon.com.au 
> Phone: +613  8676 4223
> Mobile: 0404 998 273
>
>
>
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: Virtual Server Hosting

[Duncan]

Dale,

We use rackspace.com and they are fantastic. not cheap so that would
affect your decision, but they are great.

HTH

Duncan

On 5/31/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> We currently run our own servers in a data centre and we are due this year
> to upgrade a lot of things, such as the servers and ColdFusion 8.
>
>
>
> So I want to evaluate hosting this else where to weigh up the cost pro's
> cons.
>
>
>
> It would need to be
>
>
>
> 1.  In the US or AU
>
> 2.  Have good uptime and SLA
>
> 3.  Have good bandwidth
>
> 4.  Have well speced machines.
>
> 5.  Have no restrictions on installing / rebooting server
>
> 6.  Have multiple days worth of backups, ie 7+ day backups
>
> 7.  Run Coldfusion Enterprise (Version 8 when released)
>
> 8.  Run SQL Server 2005
>
>
>
> I've found some and looking more, but figure people here would have
> experience.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Dale Fraser
>
>
>
> http://dalefraser.blogspot.com
>
>
>  >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: CF Cluster

[Duncan]

Yep, you will end up with 4 services, a jrun manager, a cf manager,
and 2 instances that you can cluster.

the jrun manager service hosts Jrun (duh) and then that runs the
default cf instance. this is the only cf instance that gives you the
cluster manager in administrator. Once you create another instance you
will notice that it doesnt have the cluster manager options.

On 6/4/07, Peter Tilbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think you are correct on this also. I also remember the "samples"
> instance not being active by default. So yes create a new Instance -
> and the beauty of that is it could be a CF6.x, 7.x and now 8.x if
> required. Of course the resources consumed can be extreme.
>
> On 04/06/07, Haikal Saadh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > This is digging into memory so deep that I might as well be pulling it
> > out of my bum, but I think it might have something to do with the fact
> > that when running multi instance, you're not supposed to use the
> > 'default' instance? That's meant to be there for just the jRun
> > Management Console and such stuff to run.
> >
> > In our setup, we have (had?) left the default instances alone, and made
> > new ones for actual use.
> >
> > 30 second google didn't turn up any evidence to confirm this, so take it
> > with a bag of salt, but I vaguely remember this as being the case.
> >
> > Taco Fleur wrote:
> > >
> > > Just wondering when setting up a cluster in CF Ent. why can't one add
> > > the default instance to the cluster?
> > > It looks to me like I would need to have 3 instances, and only two can
> > > be added to a cluster.
> > >
> > > I've created an instance of CF, created a cluster and was expecting to
> > > be able to add the default instance plus the one I created.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > > --
> > > http://www.clickfind.com.au
> > > The new Australian search engine for businesses, products and services
> > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Peter Tilbrook
> ColdGen Internet Solutions
> President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group
> PO Box 2247
> Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620
> AUSTRALIA
>
> http://www.coldgen.com/
> http://www.actcfug.com/
>
> Tel: +61-2-6284-2727
> Mob: +61-0432-897-437
>
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[cfaussie] Re: CF Cluster on one machine!?

[Duncan]

We run 2 machines via a load balancer with sticky sessions, then have
3 instances on each machine. the default instance runs testing and
staging sites, and then we have a cluster that runs 2 instances for
the production application.

It runs great. The best advantage is that if one instance gets stuck
with some long running thread the other instance can start taking more
load and that happens alot faster than a load balancer can recognise a
problem, this means users get a better experience.

My view on this is that its worth doing, you are effectively adding
more servers with out the cost of more rackspace.

Its cheap to add some more RAM to hold it all together.

On 6/5/07, Haikal Saadh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Remember that as you add instances, resources available to each
> individual cluster drops.
>
> Now, rather than having stage and live on one machine, wouldn't it make
> more sense to have two machines?
>
> * One for the live.
> * Second one for stage, with maybe an additional instance clustered
>   with live for failover?
>
> Then you get all the _real_ benefits of having a cluster.
>
> Although, I still cringe at the thought of stage and live code running
> on the same box.
>
> Taco Fleur wrote:
> > I am hoping to get some input on the following.
> >
> > I have one instance of CF running and one is dormant (STAGING) to
> > upload new code to and test it out before moving to LIVE.
> > We are starting out with one machine for CF and will tag on more as
> > the need arises, my question is, would there be any benefit of putting
> > a cluster on one machine? The only benefit I could see if the fact
> > that if one crashes the other one on the same machine takes over. But
> > its highly likely that the problem on the first instance will
> > replicate to the second instance in the cluster.. So I'm not sure
> > anymore... I'm hoping someone can give me a reason to do it, so I can
> > finally setup my first cluster (yeah)...
> >
> > --
> > http://www.clickfind.com.au
> > The new Australian search engine for businesses, products and services
> >
> > >
>
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: asReports V0.2 alpha released

[Andrew Scott]

Scott,

Yes it handles sub reports, and no it doesn't use ActiveX viewer. I found
that cumbersum, and my boss at the time (Hi Dale) had designed a more
elligant approach.

The main idea is that you can use cfcontent to deliver the report to the
browser one it is created.

However I might look into adding the ActiveX viewer down the track.

The paramters are just a list, and they need to be the same number that is
required. Which means if one needs to be null you need to do a ListtFix (UDF
on cflib.org).





On 6/5/07, Scott Thornton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Can it also open the report in the Crystal ActiveX viewer?
>
> Does it handle reports with multiple subreports?
>
> I had a (brief) look at it late last night. I will need to check how to
> pass the report parameters (for stored procedures) and pass it selection
> criteria.
>
> We are a huge Crystal 9 site, and I can see the benefit in this
>
> >>> "Andrew Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/06/2007 5:55 pm >>>
> For those of you who do not know, I have re designed some code I wrote a
> few
> years ago.
>
> This application is asReports, which allows you to run a Crystal Report
> from
> within Coldfusion. This has been tested on CFMX 7.02 & Coldfusion 8, but
> as
> now been released to the general public as V0.2 alpha.
>
> The wiki on http://asReports.riaforge.org is work in progress, but have
> placed an example on how to use it.
>
> Some of the features, server side printing, the ability to change the
> Datasource, Database and username on the fly, without having to open the
> report and reconnect to another database. Save the report as PDF, Xcel or
> even as a Word document.
>
> The major update to this version is that I have added a Factory so that it
> can be used against many different versions, which as time goes on will be
> included for out of the box support.
>
> This has been tested on Crsytal Reports V10.
>
>
> --
>
> Senior Coldfusion Developer
> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> www.aegeon.com.au
> Phone: +613  8676 4223
> Mobile: 0404 998 273
>
>
>
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: asReports V0.2 alpha released

[Scott Thornton]

Can it also open the report in the Crystal ActiveX viewer?

Does it handle reports with multiple subreports?

I had a (brief) look at it late last night. I will need to check how to pass 
the report parameters (for stored procedures) and pass it selection criteria.

We are a huge Crystal 9 site, and I can see the benefit in this

>>> "Andrew Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/06/2007 5:55 pm >>>
For those of you who do not know, I have re designed some code I wrote a few
years ago.

This application is asReports, which allows you to run a Crystal Report from
within Coldfusion. This has been tested on CFMX 7.02 & Coldfusion 8, but as
now been released to the general public as V0.2 alpha.

The wiki on http://asReports.riaforge.org is work in progress, but have
placed an example on how to use it.

Some of the features, server side printing, the ability to change the
Datasource, Database and username on the fly, without having to open the
report and reconnect to another database. Save the report as PDF, Xcel or
even as a Word document.

The major update to this version is that I have added a Factory so that it
can be used against many different versions, which as time goes on will be
included for out of the box support.

This has been tested on Crsytal Reports V10.


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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Haikal Saadh]

Having seen more than my fair share of request scope abuse, I can see 
why he would.

I think easy access to request in CF can cause poor code. But then 
again, guns don't kill people,  people kill people, right?

Peter Tilbrook wrote:
> I agree (disciplined) but he then bagged the "request" scope so now I
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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Andrew Scott]

And Peter you need to know when the micky is being taken out of you.

Sorry it was just that 2 fridays in a row, the request scope had nothing to
do with the problem yet you provided it as an answer:-)


On 6/5/07, Peter Tilbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I agree (disciplined) but he then bagged the "request" scope so now I
> am not so sure.
>
> --
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> ColdGen Internet Solutions
> President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group
> PO Box 2247
> Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620
> AUSTRALIA
>
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> http://www.actcfug.com/
>
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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Andrew Scott]

Ray,

I said so to speak, I think the discussion on cftalk about how one is faster
on one platform than the other is interesting.


On 6/5/07, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Err, how am I wrong? I said there was a speed difference, and you
> agreed? Or did you think I meant it was ALWAYS faster? If so - I
> misspoke and you are right to correct me.
>
> On 6/4/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Actually Ray is wrong so to speak...
> >
> > It is a known fact and even though in some cases it makes no difference
> as
> > the speed differences are very slight, but it is personal preference and
> > nothing more. As far as best practice goes, I would be more concerned on
> how
> > to optimise the server processing if it is needed.
> >
>
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: CF Cluster on one machine!?

[Haikal Saadh]

Remember that as you add instances, resources available to each 
individual cluster drops.

Now, rather than having stage and live on one machine, wouldn't it make 
more sense to have two machines?

* One for the live.
* Second one for stage, with maybe an additional instance clustered
  with live for failover?

Then you get all the _real_ benefits of having a cluster.

Although, I still cringe at the thought of stage and live code running 
on the same box.

Taco Fleur wrote:
> I am hoping to get some input on the following.
>  
> I have one instance of CF running and one is dormant (STAGING) to 
> upload new code to and test it out before moving to LIVE.
> We are starting out with one machine for CF and will tag on more as 
> the need arises, my question is, would there be any benefit of putting 
> a cluster on one machine? The only benefit I could see if the fact 
> that if one crashes the other one on the same machine takes over. But 
> its highly likely that the problem on the first instance will 
> replicate to the second instance in the cluster.. So I'm not sure 
> anymore... I'm hoping someone can give me a reason to do it, so I can 
> finally setup my first cluster (yeah)...
>
> -- 
> http://www.clickfind.com.au
> The new Australian search engine for businesses, products and services
>
> >


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[cfaussie] CF Cluster on one machine!?

[Taco Fleur]

I am hoping to get some input on the following.

I have one instance of CF running and one is dormant (STAGING) to upload new
code to and test it out before moving to LIVE.
We are starting out with one machine for CF and will tag on more as the need
arises, my question is, would there be any benefit of putting a cluster on
one machine? The only benefit I could see if the fact that if one crashes
the other one on the same machine takes over. But its highly likely that the
problem on the first instance will replicate to the second instance in the
cluster.. So I'm not sure anymore... I'm hoping someone can give me a reason
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It brings a tear to my eye to see all these numbers - Solidarity
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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Raymond Camden]

Err, how am I wrong? I said there was a speed difference, and you
agreed? Or did you think I meant it was ALWAYS faster? If so - I
misspoke and you are right to correct me.

On 6/4/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually Ray is wrong so to speak...
>
> It is a known fact and even though in some cases it makes no difference as
> the speed differences are very slight, but it is personal preference and
> nothing more. As far as best practice goes, I would be more concerned on how
> to optimise the server processing if it is needed.
>

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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Peter Tilbrook]

I agree (disciplined) but he then bagged the "request" scope so now I
am not so sure.

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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Simon Haddon]

Why do you say that Peter?  From emails that I have read I think that Andrew
is quiet a disciplined programmer?  What is the problem?

Cheers,
Simon

On 04/06/07, Peter Tilbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I am glad I don't work on one  of Andrew Scotts projects.
>
> On 04/06/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Simon CFC's go without saying, as there will be problems if you do not
> scope
> > variables with the var scope anyway. just an FYI to any new developers.
> >
> >
> > On 6/4/07, Simon Haddon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi Grant,
> > >
> > > The choice is really down to your programming style.  I have come from
> a C
> > / Pascal / PLSQL / Java background and have learned to be very dogmatic
> and
> > methodical with my programming style.  As a team leader I insist that
> all
> > variables are either declared at the start of a template or to use
> cfparam
> > if expected and that logical default are set.  I find the best part of
> this
> > approach is that all variables are defined in 1 place and it helps with
> > referencing which variables should exist and what their default values
> > should be.  I also find that it reduces the number of variables being
> used
> > as you have a reference point at the top of the template to check for
> what
> > is available an why it exists.
> > >
> > > I am the same in CFCs where I expect that all arguments are defined
> and
> > either set to required or defaulted with a logical default value. I also
> > expect that all local variables are defined (which is even more
> important in
> > methods as local variables.
> > >
> > > Still, having said that.  Each to their own
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Simon
> > >
> > >
> > > On 04/06/07, grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > > My patchy memory keeps nagging at me not to use isDefined().
> > > > Am I off-base or do I remember something about it being
> best-practice to
> > avoid isDefined()?
> > > >
> > > > Who's got the low-down?
> > > > Grant
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers
> > > Simon Haddon
> > >
> > > www.aegeon.com.au
> > > Phone: +613  8676 4223
> > > Mobile: 0404 998 273
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Peter Tilbrook
> ColdGen Internet Solutions
> President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group
> PO Box 2247
> Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620
> AUSTRALIA
>
> http://www.coldgen.com/
> http://www.actcfug.com/
>
> Tel: +61-2-6284-2727
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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Simon Haddon]

I can't agree with the statement "goes without saying" as too often I have
to say it.  I have seen so many bad implementations of CFC that clobber
variables left right and centre that it really annoys me and ,
disappointingly it is allowed in the language.

I have taken over projects that I have cringed a the code because of really
bad practises and some really dumb thing being done in CFCs so I tend to be
of the opinion that it is always better to repeat it .  But yes,  more so
for new programmers so that they get into good habits

Cheers,
Simon

On 04/06/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Simon CFC's go without saying, as there will be problems if you do not
> scope variables with the var scope anyway. just an FYI to any new
> developers.
>
>
> On 6/4/07, Simon Haddon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Grant,
> >
> > The choice is really down to your programming style.  I have come from a
> > C / Pascal / PLSQL / Java background and have learned to be very dogmatic
> > and methodical with my programming style.  As a team leader I insist that
> > all variables are either declared at the start of a template or to use
> > cfparam if expected and that logical default are set.  I find the best part
> > of this approach is that all variables are defined in 1 place and it helps
> > with referencing which variables should exist and what their default values
> > should be.  I also find that it reduces the number of variables being used
> > as you have a reference point at the top of the template to check for what
> > is available an why it exists.
> >
> > I am the same in CFCs where I expect that all arguments are defined and
> > either set to required or defaulted with a logical default value. I also
> > expect that all local variables are defined (which is even more important in
> > methods as local variables.
> >
> > Still, having said that.  Each to their own
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Simon
> >
> > On 04/06/07, grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > My patchy memory keeps nagging at me not to use isDefined().
> > > Am I off-base or do I remember something about it being best-practice
> > > to avoid isDefined()?
> > >
> > > Who's got the low-down?
> > > Grant
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers
> > Simon Haddon
> > www.aegeon.com.au
> > Phone: +613  8676 4223
> > Mobile: 0404 998 273
> > > >
> >


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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[M@ Bourke]

http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog.entry/entry/isDefined_vs_structKeyExists

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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Adam Cameron]

isDefined() will sometimes return false positives when dealing with
SESSION-scoped variables.  I do not recall which version of CF this
was on, but would have been no earlier than 6.1.  Ihave not re-
verified this on subsequent versions.  At that point in time I
switched to using structKeyExists(): I simply don't trust isDefined().

The situation was unpredictable, but replicable (if one was patient
during re-testing).

It seemed fine with all variable scopes other than session.

isDefined() is also limited to using variables using CF's "simple
variable name format", whereas structKeyExists() is not.

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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Andrew Scott]

Yeah, well you wouldn't I hate the request scope it is evil.



On 6/4/07, Peter Tilbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I am glad I don't work on one  of Andrew Scotts projects.
>
> On 04/06/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Simon CFC's go without saying, as there will be problems if you do not
> scope
> > variables with the var scope anyway. just an FYI to any new developers.
> >
> >
> > On 6/4/07, Simon Haddon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi Grant,
> > >
> > > The choice is really down to your programming style.  I have come from
> a C
> > / Pascal / PLSQL / Java background and have learned to be very dogmatic
> and
> > methodical with my programming style.  As a team leader I insist that
> all
> > variables are either declared at the start of a template or to use
> cfparam
> > if expected and that logical default are set.  I find the best part of
> this
> > approach is that all variables are defined in 1 place and it helps with
> > referencing which variables should exist and what their default values
> > should be.  I also find that it reduces the number of variables being
> used
> > as you have a reference point at the top of the template to check for
> what
> > is available an why it exists.
> > >
> > > I am the same in CFCs where I expect that all arguments are defined
> and
> > either set to required or defaulted with a logical default value. I also
> > expect that all local variables are defined (which is even more
> important in
> > methods as local variables.
> > >
> > > Still, having said that.  Each to their own
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Simon
> > >
> > >
> > > On 04/06/07, grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > > My patchy memory keeps nagging at me not to use isDefined().
> > > > Am I off-base or do I remember something about it being
> best-practice to
> > avoid isDefined()?
> > > >
> > > > Who's got the low-down?
> > > > Grant
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers
> > > Simon Haddon
> > >
> > > www.aegeon.com.au
> > > Phone: +613  8676 4223
> > > Mobile: 0404 998 273
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Peter Tilbrook
> ColdGen Internet Solutions
> President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group
> PO Box 2247
> Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620
> AUSTRALIA
>
> http://www.coldgen.com/
> http://www.actcfug.com/
>
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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Peter Tilbrook]

I am glad I don't work on one  of Andrew Scotts projects.

On 04/06/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Simon CFC's go without saying, as there will be problems if you do not scope
> variables with the var scope anyway. just an FYI to any new developers.
>
>
> On 6/4/07, Simon Haddon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Grant,
> >
> > The choice is really down to your programming style.  I have come from a C
> / Pascal / PLSQL / Java background and have learned to be very dogmatic and
> methodical with my programming style.  As a team leader I insist that all
> variables are either declared at the start of a template or to use cfparam
> if expected and that logical default are set.  I find the best part of this
> approach is that all variables are defined in 1 place and it helps with
> referencing which variables should exist and what their default values
> should be.  I also find that it reduces the number of variables being used
> as you have a reference point at the top of the template to check for what
> is available an why it exists.
> >
> > I am the same in CFCs where I expect that all arguments are defined and
> either set to required or defaulted with a logical default value. I also
> expect that all local variables are defined (which is even more important in
> methods as local variables.
> >
> > Still, having said that.  Each to their own
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > On 04/06/07, grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > My patchy memory keeps nagging at me not to use isDefined().
> > > Am I off-base or do I remember something about it being best-practice to
> avoid isDefined()?
> > >
> > > Who's got the low-down?
> > > Grant
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers
> > Simon Haddon
> >
> > www.aegeon.com.au
> > Phone: +613  8676 4223
> > Mobile: 0404 998 273
> > > >
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Andrew Scott]

Simon CFC's go without saying, as there will be problems if you do not scope
variables with the var scope anyway. just an FYI to any new developers.


On 6/4/07, Simon Haddon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Grant,
>
> The choice is really down to your programming style.  I have come from a C
> / Pascal / PLSQL / Java background and have learned to be very dogmatic and
> methodical with my programming style.  As a team leader I insist that all
> variables are either declared at the start of a template or to use cfparam
> if expected and that logical default are set.  I find the best part of this
> approach is that all variables are defined in 1 place and it helps with
> referencing which variables should exist and what their default values
> should be.  I also find that it reduces the number of variables being used
> as you have a reference point at the top of the template to check for what
> is available an why it exists.
>
> I am the same in CFCs where I expect that all arguments are defined and
> either set to required or defaulted with a logical default value. I also
> expect that all local variables are defined (which is even more important in
> methods as local variables.
>
> Still, having said that.  Each to their own
>
> Cheers,
> Simon
>
> On 04/06/07, grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > My patchy memory keeps nagging at me not to use isDefined().
> > Am I off-base or do I remember something about it being best-practice to
> > avoid isDefined()?
> >
> > Who's got the low-down?
> > Grant
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Cheers
> Simon Haddon
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Andrew Scott]

Actually Ray is wrong so to speak...

It is a known fact and even though in some cases it makes no difference as
the speed differences are very slight, but it is personal preference and
nothing more. As far as best practice goes, I would be more concerned on how
to optimise the server processing if it is needed.

Another thread / post on CF-Talk with some tests, actually shows that
depending on the OS one can run slower than the other and vice versa.

So if speed an execution is a concern when it matters, use whichever is
needed to get that speed increase for your intended platform. Otherwise I
would use what is best for your situation.



On 6/4/07, Peter Tilbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Ray is right. And the fact you are bothering to check at all is good
> coding practice. Never assume.
>
> On 04/06/07, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > structKeyExists runs quicker - but I hesitate to say isDefined is
> > "bad". Personally I'd use what feels best to you. It's not like one
> > will take 0.002 ms and the other will take 2 hours.
> >
> > On 6/4/07, grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > My patchy memory keeps nagging at me not to use isDefined().
> > > Am I off-base or do I remember something about it being best-practice
> to
> > > avoid isDefined()?
> > >
> > > Who's got the low-down?
> > > Grant
> > >
> > >  >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> ===
> > Raymond Camden, Camden Media
> >
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Blog  : ray.camdenfamily.com
> > AOL IM : cfjedimaster
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Peter Tilbrook
> ColdGen Internet Solutions
> President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group
> PO Box 2247
> Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620
> AUSTRALIA
>
> http://www.coldgen.com/
> http://www.actcfug.com/
>
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>
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>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Simon Haddon]

Hi Grant,

The choice is really down to your programming style.  I have come from a C /
Pascal / PLSQL / Java background and have learned to be very dogmatic and
methodical with my programming style.  As a team leader I insist that all
variables are either declared at the start of a template or to use cfparam
if expected and that logical default are set.  I find the best part of this
approach is that all variables are defined in 1 place and it helps with
referencing which variables should exist and what their default values
should be.  I also find that it reduces the number of variables being used
as you have a reference point at the top of the template to check for what
is available an why it exists.

I am the same in CFCs where I expect that all arguments are defined and
either set to required or defaulted with a logical default value. I also
expect that all local variables are defined (which is even more important in
methods as local variables.

Still, having said that.  Each to their own

Cheers,
Simon

On 04/06/07, grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> My patchy memory keeps nagging at me not to use isDefined().
> Am I off-base or do I remember something about it being best-practice to
> avoid isDefined()?
>
> Who's got the low-down?
> Grant
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Peter Tilbrook]

Ray is right. And the fact you are bothering to check at all is good
coding practice. Never assume.

On 04/06/07, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> structKeyExists runs quicker - but I hesitate to say isDefined is
> "bad". Personally I'd use what feels best to you. It's not like one
> will take 0.002 ms and the other will take 2 hours.
>
> On 6/4/07, grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi All
> >
> > My patchy memory keeps nagging at me not to use isDefined().
> > Am I off-base or do I remember something about it being best-practice to
> > avoid isDefined()?
> >
> > Who's got the low-down?
> > Grant
> >
> >  >
> >
>
>
> --
> ===
> Raymond Camden, Camden Media
>
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Blog  : ray.camdenfamily.com
> AOL IM : cfjedimaster
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count

[Zac Spitzer]

plang from melboune

On 6/4/07, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> there are approx 310 sign-ups that haven't pinged yet. Considering the
> slow rate at the moment, is there a chance that unpinged number will
> improve with the poll?
>
> I can see a funny side to it, though. Perhaps I'm easily amused
>
>
> On 6/4/07, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Ok this is the most annoying thread.  How about we put a poll or something
> > up somewhere instead.  I don't mind doing it.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > Of AndyRazz
> > Sent: Monday, 4 June 2007 4:38 PM
> > To: cfaussie
> > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count
> >
> >
> > ping
> >
> > On Jun 1, 12:02 pm, Matt Voerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi Guys,
> > > Just a quick note to let you guys know that we at the Adobe Australia
> > > office haven't forgotten about you, and do monitor this (and several
> > > other) lists on a regular basis.
> > >
> > > We have a couple of Community related irons in the fire and will
> > > communicate more on them as they solidify.
> > >
> > > What would be of great help to us in the meantime would be a hands up
> > > (head count) on how many Aussie CF'ers are reading this list on a
> > > regular basis. If you could just ping a response to to this thread
> > > that would be grouse.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > > Matt Voerman
> > >
> > > Senior Consultant
> > > Adobe Systems Pacific
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[Raymond Camden]

structKeyExists runs quicker - but I hesitate to say isDefined is
"bad". Personally I'd use what feels best to you. It's not like one
will take 0.002 ms and the other will take 2 hours.

On 6/4/07, grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> My patchy memory keeps nagging at me not to use isDefined().
> Am I off-base or do I remember something about it being best-practice to
> avoid isDefined()?
>
> Who's got the low-down?
> Grant
>
>  >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

[MrBuzzy]

ParameterExists() is bad.

In fact forget I even mentioned it :)

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[cfaussie] asReports V0.2 alpha released

[Andrew Scott]

For those of you who do not know, I have re designed some code I wrote a few
years ago.

This application is asReports, which allows you to run a Crystal Report from
within Coldfusion. This has been tested on CFMX 7.02 & Coldfusion 8, but as
now been released to the general public as V0.2 alpha.

The wiki on http://asReports.riaforge.org is work in progress, but have
placed an example on how to use it.

Some of the features, server side printing, the ability to change the
Datasource, Database and username on the fly, without having to open the
report and reconnect to another database. Save the report as PDF, Xcel or
even as a Word document.

The major update to this version is that I have added a Factory so that it
can be used against many different versions, which as time goes on will be
included for out of the box support.

This has been tested on Crsytal Reports V10.


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[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count

[Barry Beattie]

there are approx 310 sign-ups that haven't pinged yet. Considering the
slow rate at the moment, is there a chance that unpinged number will
improve with the poll?

I can see a funny side to it, though. Perhaps I'm easily amused


On 6/4/07, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ok this is the most annoying thread.  How about we put a poll or something
> up somewhere instead.  I don't mind doing it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of AndyRazz
> Sent: Monday, 4 June 2007 4:38 PM
> To: cfaussie
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count
>
>
> ping
>
> On Jun 1, 12:02 pm, Matt Voerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> > Just a quick note to let you guys know that we at the Adobe Australia
> > office haven't forgotten about you, and do monitor this (and several
> > other) lists on a regular basis.
> >
> > We have a couple of Community related irons in the fire and will
> > communicate more on them as they solidify.
> >
> > What would be of great help to us in the meantime would be a hands up
> > (head count) on how many Aussie CF'ers are reading this list on a
> > regular basis. If you could just ping a response to to this thread
> > that would be grouse.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Matt Voerman
> >
> > Senior Consultant
> > Adobe Systems Pacific
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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