Re: [cfaussie] Creating A String With ## values in coldfusion

[Barry Beattie]

@Dale

yes, thanks for the correction. I'm in the same boat - still respect the CF
platform and language, but work in other areas. I haven't cut CF code in
over 5 years so some bits are a bit rusty.

@Claude: the main point is using the chr(xx) function to then create a
re-usable variable containing that string.



On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Dale Fraser  wrote:

> Because your using + instead of &
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> Regards
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> Dale Fraser
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> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *rai...@ozemail.com.au
> *Sent:* Monday, 2 March 2015 11:44 AM
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [cfaussie] Creating A String With ## values in coldfusion
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>+ delim + url.imei + delim + '1212'>
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> Generates the error
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> The value # cannot be converted to a number.
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> The error occurred in 
> *C:/home/svr.trackingcentral.com.au/wwwroot/mobile_apps/test.cfm
> <http://svr.trackingcentral.com.au/wwwroot/mobile_apps/test.cfm>: line 11*
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> 9 : 
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> 10 : 
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> *11 :url.imei + delim + '1212'>*
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> 12 :
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> 13 : #mycommand#
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> Regards
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> Claude Raiola
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> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Barry Beattie
> *Sent:* Monday, 2 March 2015 10:11 AM
> *To:* cfaussie
> *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Creating A String With ## values in coldfusion
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> personally, I'd much prefer setting the # as a variable from the chr(x)
> function over replacing one string with another. Easily missed and there
> are ~ popping up unexpectedly...
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> my 2c
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> (from memory, YMMV)
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>  /** # as delim **/
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>  "1212">
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> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Blair McKenzie  wrote:
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> Another alternative - create the output with a substitute delimiter, like
> ~, and then use replace to change them to hashes.
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> Blair
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> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Dale Fraser  wrote:
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> I would break it apart
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>  <http://url.id#%23%231212%23%23>”>
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> To
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> Regards
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> Dale Fraser
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> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Jack Traynor
> *Sent:* Monday, 2 March 2015 8:54 AM
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Creating A String With ## values in coldfusion
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> I copy + pasted the code from your email into a CF10 test page and added
> /?id=100 to the URL and it worked as you expected it to.
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> Do you have an example of an ID?
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> What error are you getting?
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> Regards,
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> Jack
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> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:22 AM, M@ Bourke <
> m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> how about something like
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>  <http://url.id/#%23%231212%23%23>”>
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> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 3:16 PM,  wrote:
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> Hi
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> This has been causing me grief so some assistance would be appreciated
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> I need to be able to create a ColdFusion variable that contains the
> following text “#reboot#45454#1212#”
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> The values of “#reboot#” and “#1212#” are constant however the value of
> 45454 is dynamically generated from the url parameter passed to the page
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> So the actual CF code should look something like:  mycommand=”##reboot###url.id###1212## <http://url.id#%23%231212%23%23>”>
> So that the ## output a single #
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> No matter what I try I cannot get it to work, even tried using a evaluate(
> url.id) but that gave no joy either
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> Regards
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> Claude Raiola
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> Free Call 1300 255 990
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Re: [cfaussie] Creating A String With ## values in coldfusion

[Barry Beattie]

personally, I'd much prefer setting the # as a variable from the chr(x)
function over replacing one string with another. Easily missed and there
are ~ popping up unexpectedly...

my 2c

(from memory, YMMV)

 /** # as delim **/






On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Blair McKenzie  wrote:

> Another alternative - create the output with a substitute delimiter, like
> ~, and then use replace to change them to hashes.
>
> Blair
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> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Dale Fraser  wrote:
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>> I would break it apart
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>> > ”>
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>> To
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>> Regards
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>> Dale Fraser
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>> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Jack Traynor
>> *Sent:* Monday, 2 March 2015 8:54 AM
>> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Creating A String With ## values in coldfusion
>>
>>
>>
>> I copy + pasted the code from your email into a CF10 test page and added
>> /?id=100 to the URL and it worked as you expected it to.
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>> Do you have an example of an ID?
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>> What error are you getting?
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>> Regards,
>>
>> Jack
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>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:22 AM, M@ Bourke <
>> m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> how about something like
>>
>> > ”>
>>
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>>
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 3:16 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>>
>> This has been causing me grief so some assistance would be appreciated
>>
>>
>>
>> I need to be able to create a ColdFusion variable that contains the
>> following text “#reboot#45454#1212#”
>>
>>
>>
>> The values of “#reboot#” and “#1212#” are constant however the value of
>> 45454 is dynamically generated from the url parameter passed to the page
>>
>>
>>
>> So the actual CF code should look something like: > mycommand=”##reboot###url.id###1212## ”>
>> So that the ## output a single #
>>
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>>
>> No matter what I try I cannot get it to work, even tried using a evaluate(
>> url.id) but that gave no joy either
>>
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>> NB: TrackingCentral is now a registered product & services provider for
>> the National Disability Insurance Scheme, under the category of Assisted
>> Technology
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>>
>> Regards
>>
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>>
>> Claude Raiola
>> Director
>> TrackingCentral Pty. Ltd
>>
>> Free Call 1300 255 990
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Re: [cfaussie] cfmap Bing / Google Maps

[Barry Beattie]

great question: I'm seeing more and more Bing maps being incorporated into
services (eg: Facebook events). As a member of the public, I'm biased
towards Google Maps but I'm conscious of the trend.


On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 9:42 AM,  wrote:

>  Hi
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> Just wondering if CFmap works with Bing Maps accounts as well as Google
> Maps and if not is there any noise about Bing Maps being useable in the
> future
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Re: [cfaussie] What the ColdFusion community needs more of...

[Barry Beattie]

> On another note who in the world can take 10 weeks off full time to do such a
> course.

the unemployed, students, etc. I was four months unemployed last year.
I was three months unemployed (thanks, Can-Do Campbell!) until
recently. It happens.

> If Adobe were to sponsor / subsidise this it would be a different story.

now you're talking, although it would have to be through their
training partners, surely to keep them onside?

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Re: [cfaussie] What the ColdFusion community needs more of...

[Barry Beattie]

easy.

form an organisation with a catchy name and/or grass roots.
Find a training venue (QANTM Sydney in Surry Hills?)

Tap into interest for people wanting to change careers or hitting a
wall with their current one:

"What does a career in Ruby look like in the Sydney area?
Ruby on Rails is a cool technology. In Australia, the average starting
salary for a Ruby on Rails developer is about AUD80k. The high
Tech/Start-up community is booming down-under and we all need skilled
Ruby developers to turn Sydney into the next Silicon Valley!"

charge tuition to cover it (you gotta at least pay the trainers and
venue for the training space - we've all got mouths to feed)

"The cost for the semester is AUD 8,000. However, we will give you a
AUD 1,000 discount if you pay the entire tuition upfront as we want
our program to be affordable for everyone"

$8k is either expensive or reasonable - depending on how valuable it
is personally and if you get any recognised certification at the end
of it. I've paid too much for the IIBA courses I've done but felt I
had no choice.

Please don't think I'm being cynical - I've just learned to read
between the lines when it comes to training. There's no such thing as
a free lunch. I've taken a job delivering "free training" (really: no
monetary cost to the participant) - but the tab is being picked up by
the Federal Govt (sorry, not CF).

If you want "Passion, enthuisasm" then supporting cf.Objective(ANZ)
comes to mind. Or WebDU for that matter. Or, dare I say it ... the
local CF user group?

I'll shut up now and crawl back into my hole.

Barry Beattie





On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Dawesi  wrote:
> Passion, enthuisasm
>
> events like this:
>
> http://www.sydneydevcamp.com/
>
> Adobe needs to stop just collecting money from the 'ATM that keeps on
> giving' are share it around to reboot the community and therefore increase
> sales!
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> Just a thought.
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Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Web services

[Barry Beattie]

> I ended up having to rename the property to something else.  This issue
> occurs on CF8 and CF9

And yet it hasn't already been reported as a bug/known issue? Curious

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Re: [cfaussie] OT : iPad website viewing

[Barry Beattie]

so what happens when you want to turn the ipad sideways: the page
doesn't reflow? Are you sure you want to do this?


On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Steve Onnis  wrote:
> Does anyone know if you can force a website to always be viewed in landscape
> on an ipad? Any meta tags or anything that can be used?
>
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> Steve
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Re: [cfaussie] OT: source control question

[Barry Beattie]

> Entirely depends on your system.

Rats. I'm looking at this from a theoretical POV which should provide
some guidance for any system

Suffice to say a product has been developed. A bit of late additional
work was done but it was considered it wasn't a good idea and the
additions scrapped.

The ideas behind these additions (but not specific code) went on to
form the basis of a new related product.

Is there any real value keeping the dead-end with the late additions?



On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Kai Koenig  wrote:
> Entirely depends on your system. Are you using Git? Hg? Svn?
>
>
>> nothing to do with CF, everything to do with correct source code
>> control procedures.
>>
>> say a bunch of work has progressively got to the stage where the last
>> of it to pass testing was v0.2.
>>
>> After that, a bit more functionality was added - twice - to make the
>> versioning v0.2.01 and v0.2.02 and checked in. However, before it
>> could go for testing it was regarded that these two late enhancements
>> were a bad idea and the additional concepts/design were instead
>> incorporated into a new companion product v0.1 (and now v0.1.02).
>>
>> v0.2.01 and v0.2.02 have effectively become red-herrings - they will
>> not contribute to the v0.2 product into the future - it will be the
>> release candidate (and be the 1.0 version of the product) without
>> v0.2.01 and v0.2.02
>>
>> What to do with them - prune the tree and blow them away? I can't see
>> them being any practical worth.
>>
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[cfaussie] OT: source control question

[Barry Beattie]

nothing to do with CF, everything to do with correct source code
control procedures.

say a bunch of work has progressively got to the stage where the last
of it to pass testing was v0.2.

After that, a bit more functionality was added - twice - to make the
versioning v0.2.01 and v0.2.02 and checked in. However, before it
could go for testing it was regarded that these two late enhancements
were a bad idea and the additional concepts/design were instead
incorporated into a new companion product v0.1 (and now v0.1.02).

 v0.2.01 and v0.2.02 have effectively become red-herrings - they will
not contribute to the v0.2 product into the future - it will be the
release candidate (and be the 1.0 version of the product) without
v0.2.01 and v0.2.02

What to do with them - prune the tree and blow them away? I can't see
them being any practical worth.

Thoughts?

thanks
Barry

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Re: [cfaussie] UK Recruiters

[Barry Beattie]

@Matt:

" or looking at coming here?"

what's the options? work permits, etc.

thanks
Barry B




On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:56 PM, M@ Bourke  wrote:

> Hi Brett,
>
> I've been here 6 years, are you in the UK or looking at coming here?
> if you're here then I strongly suggest going to the following
> http://coldfusioneurope.eu/index.cfm/tour-dates/london-2526062012/
> Networking is the best way to get jobs here
> be it conferences, twitter, linked in etc
>
> as for recruiters, I'm not sure of any I'd recommend lol
>
> cheers
> Matt
>
> 
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Brett Payne-Rhodes wrote:
>
>> Sorry for the cross-post but cfjobs seems to be asleep...
>>
>>
>> Does anybody have any good UK recruiter contacts they can share?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brett
>> B)
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Re: [cfaussie] textareas the returns

[Barry Beattie]

Steve: is there any situations where  wouldn't work/be a good
idea? That used to be my preference.

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Brian Knott  wrote:

> Had a look at Paragraph forma but it replace single returns with spaces
> and double returns with .  Not sure why it replaces with spaces, but
> that what the documentaion says.
>
> Brian
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> *To*: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject*: RE: [cfaussie] textareas the returns
>
>
>  Depends
>
>
>
> You can use  or you can use #ParagraphFormat(*[textareaValue]*)#
> which will take each return and split the value into paragraphs using the
>  tag
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Knott [mailto:bkn...@jbk.com.au]
> *Sent:* Monday, 23 April 2012 12:20 PM
> *To:* cfaussie
> *Subject:* [cfaussie] textareas the returns
>
>
>
> Just a quick one guys.
>
> If I put a return in a text area, now can I force the text to show those
> returns when I display the field on a HTML page.
>
> If I edit the vaue in a text area again the returns are there but if I
> just display the value, the returns are ignored.
>
> thanks
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Re: [cfaussie] Sean Corfield will be in Sydney and Melborne in August

[Barry Beattie]

Tamworth? What the hell is in Tamworth? It's not the Country Music Festival
then is it?



On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 10:24 PM, AJ Mercer  wrote:

> And be 'get him to' you mean ask nicely right :-P
> On Mar 31, 2012 3:09 PM, "Dale Fraser"  wrote:
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Re: [cfaussie] [ANN SYD] Tonight: Open Source CMSs powered by cfml

[Barry Beattie]

so, Kym, how did it go? For us not in Sydney, you've whet our appetites.
What were the CMS's and what's the conclusion?



On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Mark Mandel  wrote:

> Sounds like a great session for CFMeetup! :)
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes wrote:
>
>> :) No worries!
>>
>> I'd have liked to have been there!
>>
>> B)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Kym Kovan wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/01/2012 13:39, Brett Payne-Rhodes wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Kym,

 Can you tell us the URL?

>>>
>>> not yet, no-one would turn up tonight! :-)  No, or course they will,
>>> they don't want to miss my line of patter. Who else can turn a one hour
>>> presentation into two hours of chat!
>>>
>>> In reality the web pages are a general chat about all of them, how and
>>> why I chose them and the individual CMSs are roughly described. I will be
>>> playing with them a lot more and filling in the detail for each one, and
>>> getting the dead ones going if they are worth it.
>>>
>>> URL tomorrow...
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>> mbcomms.net.au
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Re: [cfaussie] Re: bizarre CF9 sql server error

[Barry Beattie]

a missed comma (or space/carriage return) when moved to CF? For it to
complain before the FROM clause is IMHO the clue.

divide and conquer until it's found perhaps?

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Stephen M  wrote:

>
>
> On Jan 13, 7:17 pm, "Steve Onnis"  wrote:
> > Can you show us some of the procedure?
>
> Its about 1200 lines so its not really practical. In any case, SSMS
> would tell me if it was a SQL syntax error. We've been using this same
> stored proc for a few years without any problem.  All I did was add in
> some new columns to some temp tables and ColdFusion started to
> complain.  Maybe its the size that's the problem because it was only
> 800 lines before I started.  Too much business logic in the database.
>
> >
> > The error is pretty self explanatory so we will need to see a little more
> > that that
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stephen M [mailto:sgmul...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 13 January 2012 6:37 PM
> > To: cfaussie
> > Subject: [cfaussie] bizarre CF9 sql server error
> >
> > I am calling this stored proc in a sql server 2005.  (actually version is
> > 10.50.1617) is that 2005 or 2008?
> >
> > This stored proc runs fine from with SQL Server Management Studio
> (SSMS).  I
> > can compile it and call it  and it returns the data. BUT, when I call it
> > from my CF9 app I get this error as below. between the lines.
> > So CF9 is telling me that my stored proc has incorrect syntax even though
> > SQL Server Management Studio thinks it is fine.
> >
> > I've double checked every line of code that has "from" and there is
> nothing
> > unusual going on. I even created a new CF user with sysadmin rights just
> to
> > rule out some kind of permissions error. Because it compiles OK in SSMS I
> > cannot get a line number for this error.
> >
> > Does the CF9 JDBC driver recompile the stored procs before it runs them?
> >
> > ==
> > Message Error Executing Database Query.
> > Detail  [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver][SQLServer]Incorrect syntax
> > near the keyword 'from'.
> > ===
> >
> > regards,
> > Stephen
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Re: [cfaussie] CF Report Builder tool: any success stories?

[Barry Beattie]

thanks Dale, appreciated.

any nasty limitations? (apart from the builder tool being on Windows only)

Do your end-users produce/manage the created CFR files? (a requirement is
for shared and per-user/individual custom reports)

thanks
B

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Dale Fraser  wrote:

> We use it widely here,
>
> ** **
>
> It’s actually a very good tool with limitations, but free.
>
> ** **
>
> Its integrated into our app and produces PDF reports.
>
> ** **
>
> The main advantage it has over cfdocument is pixel level control and
> pagination.
>
> ** **
>
> Be happy to answer any questions you might have Barry, I believe I’m the
> only user J
>
> ** **
>
> Regards
>
> Dale Fraser
>
> ** **
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
>
> http://cfmldocs.com
>
> http://learncf.com
>
> http://flexcf.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Barry Beattie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 January 2012 1:41 PM
> *To:* cfaussie
> *Subject:* [cfaussie] CF Report Builder tool: any success stories?
>
> ** **
>
> I was just going through the cfaussie archives for anything on Report
> Builder.
>
> ** **
>
> not many posts (2 for 2011)
>
> ** **
>
> either: it's so simple to use, it gets results without headache
>
> or: not many people are using it.
>
> ** **
>
> Have people been able to successfully incorporate Report Builder into apps
> for end users to generate reports (and save CFR files to re-run at a later
> date)?
>
> ** **
>
> thanks
>
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[cfaussie] CF Report Builder tool: any success stories?

[Barry Beattie]

I was just going through the cfaussie archives for anything on Report
Builder.

not many posts (2 for 2011)

either: it's so simple to use, it gets results without headache
or: not many people are using it.

Have people been able to successfully incorporate Report Builder into apps
for end users to generate reports (and save CFR files to re-run at a later
date)?

thanks
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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

[Barry Beattie]

Steve:

what's the Data Center's/your's disaster recovery plan?**

How critical is it for you to deliver, say, 99.5% (or whatever in your
SLA) uptime to your customers?

no criticism, not having a go, just curious if these are factors to
consider (what you've got Vs what EC2 can do for you).

me: no affil/bias either way.

B


** IIRC, there were a couple of P-o-P's inside the WTC ... until Sept
11, that is (it's all about managing risk... and sometimes mitigating
all the risk just costs too much to be competitive in business)



On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Steve Onnis  wrote:
> That's just it though.
>
> I own all of my hardware outright, so the only costs at the moment for
> us is the data centre costs which current is a little over 2k a month
> and includes 100 Gb of data. I have full control of security,
> firewalls, the servers, environments and if needed i can walk up to
> the server, plug a USB drive in and either do backups or transfer
> large amounts of data to my servers.  I have a full rack available to
> me and i agree that if i was looking to expand, then the cost of
> hardware will be more than a new instance in the cloud.
>
> Looking at the figures starting out fresh, the TCO is much higher with
> the typical data centre infrastructure on a hardware level and
> possible hardware maintenance level but the ongoing costs of a cloud
> seems to be just as high or higher than traditional data center
> services for running systems.
>
> Yes cloud scaling is nice but when then ongoing costs of basic
> infrastructure ends up  being more what would be the compelling
> argument to move to a cloud?
>
> Steve
>
> On Sep 8, 11:43 am, Chong  wrote:
>> I have an ex colleague that work projects uses EC2... how do you arrive at
>> 450-500 per instance excluding data?
>>
>> With my discussions with him and a few others, it is very hard to estimate
>> your actual usage till you get on it.
>>
>> For me the potential lies in
>>
>>    - Ability to exist beyond different regions (the likely hood of all the
>>    datacenters going down in all the region is very very small)
>>    - scalable (you can switch the instance type, and I also believe there is
>>    the ability to create/increase capacity via code/conditions)
>>    - Not needing to worry about hardware
>>
>> So for my understand so far, for you to get maximum benefit from EC2 is to
>> architect the app/site  whereby it can exists between different "regions" ,
>> know how to interface with EC2 to scale when needed... not needing to worry
>> about hardware is common with any hosting provider, cloud or non cloud.
>>
>> Besides the fact that it is cheaper, due to scale of economics.
>>
>> Just my uneducated 2 cents :)
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Re: [cfaussie] A really useful video of CF9 performance

[Barry Beattie]

what's with the music in the background?

Sounds like an old trad Irish tune ("she moved through the fair")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skb9cn6q0lw

Megadeath it ain't...


On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Mark Ireland  wrote:
>
> A really useful video of CF9 performance
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfBGxnFJddg
>
> This may be the first video of its kind I have seen after all these years!
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Re: [cfaussie] Helms and Peters are back at it again...

[Barry Beattie]

there's a lot of good stuff that these guys touch on using motorbikes,
cooking, woodworking as vehicles to make the point.

Ideas that are worthwhile in application development, analyst skills,
project management, etc.

Defiantly worth the half an hour or so to listen to.

If ppl haven't heard the podcasts (including the back catalog) then
"do yourself  a favour and ..." as Molly Meldrum used to say...


On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Sean Corfield  wrote:
> I guess it says the same about me then :)
> Indeed, my iTunes had already downloaded the episode... I just hadn't
> checked new content for a few days. Glad they're back!
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Gavin Baumanis 
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure what it exactly it says about me
>> But...
>>
>> I was really excited to open iTunes today and find that Hal Helms and
>> Jeff Peters have resurrected their long running podcast, "Helms and
>> Peters Out Loud".
>>
>> You can obtain further information at helmsandpeters.com
>> and subscribe to the podcast via iTunes or the website.
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Re: [cfaussie] How to load balance

[Barry Beattie]

LOL! you're assimilating, Kai:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_New_Zealand

Kiwi ingenuity: This is the idea that New Zealanders display a
MacGyver-like ability to solve any problem, often using unconventional
means or whatever happens to be lying around. This is also described
as the Number 8 wire mentality, which holds that anything can be made
or fixed with basic or everyday materials, such as number 8 fencing
wire.

what's the application development term meaning the same thing? Oh yeah 

... hack ...






On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Kai Koenig  wrote:
>
> which, when you factor in your lost productivity and of your workmates
> and business and of the time it takes to come up with a solution, can
> be a lot cheaper for your boss than trying to sort this out yourself
> (IMHO). The consultant can still talk you through what it took to come
> up with the solution (so you learn something out of the process) but
> you minimise the risk by tapping into their experience, rather than
> the business supporting you learning through the school of
> hard-knocks.
>
> Ahhh, the good old wire no 8 mentality :-)
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Re: [cfaussie] How to load balance

[Barry Beattie]

> Just as a side note: What you're asking for "a solution to the following" or
> "does anyone have instructions on how to setup load balancing" is rather a
> consulting gig than a question on a mailing list imho. As you can see from
> just the few pointers I've provided you, it's a vast topic with a lot of
> implications for a system's architecture.

and implications with application architecture as well (do you need
all that session-scoped data?)


> There are a bunch of people on
> this mailing list who provide exactly this type of support/consulting
> experience commercially.

which, when you factor in your lost productivity and of your workmates
and business and of the time it takes to come up with a solution, can
be a lot cheaper for your boss than trying to sort this out yourself
(IMHO). The consultant can still talk you through what it took to come
up with the solution (so you learn something out of the process) but
you minimise the risk by tapping into their experience, rather than
the business supporting you learning through the school of
hard-knocks.

just my 2c.

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Re: [cfaussie] Converting boolean YES to true

[Barry Beattie]

so, what's !YES  ... is it NO?

is anything that can be construed as a YES (True, 1, etc) considered a
YES and therefore the opposite is NO?





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> TBH you would have to fix it yourself, I can't see Adobe fixing it soon as
> it is likely a legacy issue, I would imagine if they change how it works to
> the way we expect it should, any code using specifically the old behaviour
> would error ... so they are probably stuck till they can agree on an elegant
> solution or give clients enough warning...
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Re: [cfaussie] Converting boolean YES to true

[Barry Beattie]

"Also can anyone one recommend a way to do this now? I tried
JavaCast(“Boolean”, foo) but that didn’t work."

have you seen this?

http://www.coldfusionmuse.com/index.cfm/2010/2/5/Booleans.and.Coldfusion

Also, have you confirmed you have a true boolean? What I'm getting at
is the difference between

True/False/Null (tri-state)
True/Absence of True (boolean)

The last one is important because you just have to check to see if the
value is there.

these two CFLib functions may help

http://cflib.org/udf/booleanize
http://cflib.org/udf/forceBoolean








On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Zac Spitzer  wrote:
> It's an annoying bug in Adobe CF, Railo works as expected
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1867728/how-can-i-prevent-serializejson-from-changing-yes-no-true-false-strings-to-boolea/6661460#6661460
>
> z
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Steve Onnis  wrote:
>> I have been coming across this issue more and more when dealing with
>> JavaScript and JSON which is ColdFusion changing true|false to YES|NO
>> values.
>>
>>
>>
>> For example:-
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> #foo# = true
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> #foo# = NO
>>
>>
>>
>> Now take this JSON string for example
>>
>>
>>
>> {“foo”:#foo#} would then become {“foo”:NO} which then screws everything up
>>
>>
>>
>> I posted a feature request on the adobe site to have a toBoolean() function
>> which would return only true or false based on the argument
>>
>>
>>
>> So then we would be able to have...
>>
>>
>>
>> {“foo”:#toBollean(foo)#} which would output as {“foo”:false}
>>
>>
>>
>> What are the thoughts here.  I was very surprised to see the lack of this
>> function in the library actually.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also can anyone one recommend a way to do this now? I tried
>> JavaCast(“Boolean”, foo) but that didn’t work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
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Re: [cfaussie] import dynamic location

[Barry Beattie]

IIRC, because the IMPORT target is calculated at compile time, not runtime.

yes? (lets see if I've still got brain cells left).

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Paul Kukiel  wrote:
> No you must specify a real location for this and not a variable.
>
> Paul.
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Steve Onnis  wrote:
>>
>> Can you use import with variable names?
>>
>>
>>
>> import “#foo#.bar”;
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Steve
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Re: [cfaussie] MAD. Who wants pizza?

[Barry Beattie]

Pizza makes you fat, Dale. Bread, carbs, fats, oils, meats, cheese.
Heart-attack candidates.

How about a nice hot bowl of Lentil Soup? Grilled Tofu on CousCous?
Crispy Celery salad anyone?





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>
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> Subject: [cfaussie] MAD. Who wants pizza?
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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Pop up text

[Barry Beattie]

@Andrew

> This uses YUI 2 (http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/).  Given my time again
> I'd probably not use YUI,

Just as an FYI / heads-up / IMHO, can I ask why? (no affiliation, just curious)

thanks

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: upgrade strategies (enterprise software)

[Barry Beattie]

thanks Gav

> I'd do something along the lines of;
> Create a new branch in your repository (SVN / Git / etc) of choice and
> use that branch as the ApplicationRoot for the application that the
> BAs/Testers use.
> That way, any changes you end up making can now be tracked and "more
> easily" merged back into your mainline of development.

If our guys haven't got an agreement with the vendor to access their
repositiory (turnkey app with customisations, 10 large clients), they
should have there own, being updated be the release of  service packs
and hotfixes ... (so us branching isn't too big a deal)

> It is a two-edged sword, though.
> You'll need to ensure that any "core" code updates are now applied to
> the new branch as well as the mainline.
> Which is extra overhead - but without doing this, the merge back into
> the mainline from the the 2012 branch will be a really painful
> experience.

That must be it. There must be so few resources that branching is too
expensive and what's really happening is preperation for the 2012
upgrade by incorporating some of it now (and seeing how it goes).

Fair enough.

thanks again Gav.

Barry

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: POI and ColdFusion

[Barry Beattie]

> Oh, and for those playing at home... I'm running CFMX7... so i can't
> use cfspreadsheet... :/

so, in effect what you're saying is that the expense in upgrading two
versions might be able to be offset by increased developer
productivity?

just a quick 2c.

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Re: [cfaussie] upgrade strategies (enterprise software)

[Barry Beattie]

"Its another reason for having three physical servers."

hang on, you're throwing me a bit here.

Steve.O might be on the right track (use VM to create/throw away
environments - although that in itself means packages/enhancements
need to placed against the 2011 and 2012 environments: bits can get
overlooked)

but the core question is: what software should make up the 2011
upgrade? code/functionality that's slated for the 2012 upgrade as well
as 2011?

The reason given to me was

>> "So it can be made available to other BAs/testers etc for testing and
>> analysis".




On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Mark Ireland  wrote:
> All the stuff about avoiding a single point of failure applies with upgrades
> too.
>
> Its another reason for having three physical servers.
>
>> From: st...@cfcentral.com.au
>> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [cfaussie] upgrade strategies (enterprise software)
>> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:48:23 +1100
>>
>> Virtual machines
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, 25 March 2011 3:44 PM
>> To: cfaussie
>> Subject: [cfaussie] upgrade strategies (enterprise software)
>>
>> Upgrading software versions: what's best practice?
>>
>> This isn't specifically about CF (although I'm curious how Adobe
>> handles multiple version upgrades: do they have a CF11 and CF12
>> development environment running now in addition to CF10?)
>>
>> I've come across a situation where people want to include
>> functionality, scoped for a 2012 upgrade, into the development and
>> testing environment of the 2011upgrade (due later this year).
>>
>> why?
>>
>> "So it can be made available to other BAs/testers etc for testing and
>> analysis".
>>
>> any thoughts?
>>
>> thanks
>> B
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[cfaussie] upgrade strategies (enterprise software)

[Barry Beattie]

Upgrading software versions: what's best practice?

This isn't specifically about CF (although I'm curious how Adobe
handles multiple version upgrades: do they have a CF11 and CF12
development environment running now in addition to CF10?)

I've come across a situation where people want to include
functionality, scoped for a 2012 upgrade, into the development and
testing environment of the 2011upgrade (due later this year).

why?

"So it can be made available to other BAs/testers etc for testing and analysis".

any thoughts?

thanks
B

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Daily Rate

[Barry Beattie]

> I think i remember seeing that job being advertised, and skipping
> straight over it because of the location.

I had a closer look (just about every time it appeared) because it was
right up my alley with TAFE/training/education, but came to the same
conclusion. I wasn't the only bread-winner in our family at the time.

Was it someone here (or on cfjobs) I was talking two who had problems
finding CF people in Newcastle (and they switched to .NET because of
it)? Newcastle Uni perhaps (memory ain't what it used to be)? You'd
think with a university you could grow your own...

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Re: [cfaussie] OOP question.

[Barry Beattie]

IMHO Hospital is too big.

the way I see it, it's admissions that

Admissions.admit(patient)

and

Admissions.dischard(patient)

my 2c only.



On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Mark Mandel  wrote:

> Well how does a hopsital manage this?
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Gavin Beau Baumanis 
> wrote:
>
>> * Patient Admissions
>>
>
> A Hospital has a series of patients that it has admitted. So I expect you
> would have:
>
> Hospital.admit(patient)
>
>
>> * Patient Discharges
>>
>
> Ditto:
>
> Hopsital.dischard(patient)
>
> I wouldn't be shocked if a Hospital had a series of Wards, which then had
> the patients, but you probably know this domain better than I do.
>
> [image: [Hospital]++1->*[Ward], [Ward]+1->*[Patient]]
> http://yuml.me/diagram/scruffy;/class/[Hospital]++1->*[Ward],
> [Ward]+1->*[Patient]
>
>
>
>>  * the Patient's Care teams
>>
>
> A Hospital would have a series of Care Teams, I assume then that the
> CareTeam would have a series of patients they belong to.
>
> [image:
> %5BHospital%5D++1-%3E*%5BCareTeam%5D,%20%5BCareTeam%5D+1-%3E*%5BPatient%5D]
>
> http://yuml.me/diagram/scruffy;/class/%5BHospital%5D++1-%3E*%5BCareTeam%5D,%20%5BCareTeam%5D+1-%3E*%5BPatient%5D
>
> (Maybe Care Teams also belong to a Ward?)
>
>
>> * the Patient's Physical locations
>>
>
> Well, I would expect the Patient probably knows what Hospital it is in in,
> and the Hospital knows it's own Physical address.
>
> [image: [Patient]+*->0..1[Hospital], [Hospital]++1->1[Location]]
> http://yuml.me/diagram/scruffy;/class/[Patient]+*->0..1[Hospital],
> [Hospital]++1->1[Location]
>
>
> Or maybe not, maybe there is a global registry of Patients, i.e. a global
> medical record, which ties it all together. (Maybe patients really don't
> often know what Hospital they are in, and you need to ask the Medial
> History, or maybe both should really know)
>
> [image: [HistoryRegistery]++1->*[Record], [Record]+1->1[Patient],
> [Record]+1-current>0..1[Hospital]]
> http://yuml.me/diagram/scruffy;/class/[HistoryRegistery]++1->*[Record],
> [Record]+1->1[Patient], [Record]+1-current>0..1[Hospital]
>
>
> Again, just modelling the real world objects. You just need to go a few
> levels below just a 'Hospital' and get a little deeper.
>
> There are a variety of ways you could model this, just depends on your
> domain really.
>
> HTH
>
> Mark
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Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfspreadsheet and vfs

[Barry Beattie]

I wouldn't think it'd matter too much:

"Severity: 5 - Medium (Easy workaround, wait until next release)"


(cute:  waiting until next release is an "Easy workaround" - not a
criticism, just humorous)


On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Steve Onnis  wrote:

> This is in relation to CF10 it seems and i would assume posting it would be
> breaching the confidentiality agreement?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew [mailto:am2...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, 6 December 2010 7:30 PM
> To: cfaussie
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: cfspreadsheet and vfs
>
> FYI - received this today:
>
> ==
>
> The bug entered on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 has been marked
> verified by Adobe ColdFusion Team.
>
> This means Adobe ColdFusion Team has verified the behavior you've
> observed.
>
> (If this email is addressed to you directly, you've logged this bug.
> Otherwise, you've subscribed to this bug through the Adobe beta site
> and are receiving a BCC.)
>
> Targeted for: ColdFusion 10.0, Beta 1
>
> Note:  Any targeting information included above is an estimate.
> Targeting can change during the course of bug triage.
>
> Product Area:  Virtual File System
> Severity: 5 - Medium (Easy workaround, wait until next release)
> Description:  Cannot use action="write" with the cfspreadsheet tag and
> a filename on the VFS.
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Re: [cfaussie] Session Variables with multiple sessions

[Barry Beattie]

"What if the data changes in one session, and you are looking at false data
in another session?"

exactly. I worked on such a system a couple of years ago. It was programmed
by a java client/server programmer who obviously had no idea how the web
worked. Opened up a new browser, work on customer #2 and all of a sudden it
was showing customer #1 data.

It *is* possible, having an array of customers in session scope, or similar,
but the maintenance of tracking against each browser instance is a PITA. It
just wasn't worth it.

I can understand why the java programmer did it though - the customer data
persisted across multiple screens (child screens, etc), but it wasn't my
preferred way of doing it.

no doubt some people smarter than me here have various hacks to make this
work, but call me old fashioned: session scope is all about the end user
when they're using that browser (authentication and access levels, personal
details, etc), not customer records.

my 2c. Sorry to be so forthright in saying this. I've had a bad day.





On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:

> My question would be why would you want to do this in sessions? What if the
> data changes in one session, and you are looking at false data in another
> session?
>
>
>
> I think the work needed to keep the database and session upto date is more
> work than just pulling the data/information from the database in the first
> place.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew Scott
>
> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Anthony Landers
> *Sent:* Thursday, 2 December 2010 3:37 PM
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [cfaussie] Session Variables with multiple sessions
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have an inhouse billing application that I now support and are wanting to
> make some modifications to.
>
>
>
> I am wanting end users to be able to open up multiple copies of our cf web
> application in different IE windows.
>
> This is so they can be looking at a persons invoice in a session of
> Internet Explorer and then receive a help desk call and proceed to look at a
> different persons invoice in a second session of Internet Explorer.
>
>
>
> The application uses session variables to hold ID's etc so if the end user
> then went back to their first Internet Explorer session  it is possible that
> if they clicked onto a button to show the persons details, they would get
> the details from the 2nd Internet Explorer session (help desk call) as the
> session variables would have changed.
>
>
>
> So, my question is, can you have separate session variables per Internet
> Explorer window (not tab)?
>
> Is there a better way to manage having the application open multiple times
> on the one PC?
>
>
>
> Hope this makes sense.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Anthony
>
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Re: [cfaussie] Session Variables with multiple sessions

[Barry Beattie]

I personally would never use session variables to hold transitory record
data (ie: what the user is working on). For me the session variables is all
about the user at that login, nothing about what they are trying to do.

if I wanted multiple browser instances (or multiple tabs) to deal with each
record, I'd be passing the record ID around in the URL or form submit's.
Treat each browser tab (or instance) as a silo

but that's just my 2c.

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Anthony Landers <
anthony.land...@hnehealth.nsw.gov.au> wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> I have an inhouse billing application that I now support and are wanting to
> make some modifications to.
>
>
>
> I am wanting end users to be able to open up multiple copies of our cf web
> application in different IE windows.
>
> This is so they can be looking at a persons invoice in a session of
> Internet Explorer and then receive a help desk call and proceed to look at a
> different persons invoice in a second session of Internet Explorer.
>
>
>
> The application uses session variables to hold ID's etc so if the end user
> then went back to their first Internet Explorer session  it is possible that
> if they clicked onto a button to show the persons details, they would get
> the details from the 2nd Internet Explorer session (help desk call) as the
> session variables would have changed.
>
>
>
> So, my question is, can you have separate session variables per Internet
> Explorer window (not tab)?
>
> Is there a better way to manage having the application open multiple times
> on the one PC?
>
>
>
> Hope this makes sense.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Anthony
>
>
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Re: [cfaussie] CFObjective

[Barry Beattie]

Melbourne, right?

reminds me of a Crowded House song...

"Four seasons in one day..."




On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Joey Daly  wrote:

> Don't do what I did... checked the weather, was nice hot day. Wore shirt,
> shorts and thongs... and turned into an ice cube from the air conditioner :(
>
>
> On 15 November 2010 11:10, Kai Koenig  wrote:
>
>> I think it'd be appropriate to wear some sort of trousers, tshirt and
>> footwear. The general rule is: Wear enough to not get arrested on the way to
>> the venue :)
>>
>> K
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > A slightly embarrassing question about cfO.anz this week.
>> >
>> > Is casual dress the norm at these kind of things.  Never been to one
>> > before so not sure. :-O
>> >
>> > Andy.
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Re: [cfaussie] CFObjective

[Barry Beattie]

@Kym

"Hmm, is it a rule that you to wear it?"

you thinking of putting it in a picture frame like collectable football
jurseys?

ooh... some competition in who's got the rarest/most unique CF Tee...



On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Mark Drew  wrote:

> Dammit!
>
> Now I am going to have to bring "clothes" to Oz. Spoilsports!
>
> MD
>
> On 14 Nov 2010, at 19:10, Kai Koenig  wrote:
>
> > I think it'd be appropriate to wear some sort of trousers, tshirt and
> footwear. The general rule is: Wear enough to not get arrested on the way to
> the venue :)
> >
> > K
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> A slightly embarrassing question about cfO.anz this week.
> >>
> >> Is casual dress the norm at these kind of things.  Never been to one
> >> before so not sure. :-O
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Re: [cfaussie] CFObjective

[Barry Beattie]

not only casual, but people take pride in dragging out their oldest product
T-shirt (eg: Allaire CF) and wearing it with pride.

I think Darren Tracey (Suncorp, CF.O organising committee member) has an
excellent collection of such T-shirts. It'll be interesting to see what he
drags out from mothballing...

... and interesting to see if anyone can beat him with something rarer...

my 2c

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>
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>
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>
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Re: [cfaussie] OT: a couple of questions for my travel there in coming weeks

[Barry Beattie]

"but the real thing about Tasmania is the wilderness."

+1

if you can get to Straughn on the west coast, take one of the eco-tourism
boat trips up the Gordon and Franklin rivers and see a most amazing cool
temperate rainforest - the reason why myself and hundreds more fought
against a dam from being built to destroy it all back in 82/83.

Tasmania is so compact it's possible to circumnavigate the island (using
major roads) in a day. But you wouldn't want to - there's too much to see.


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Re: [cfaussie] Reducing CF's Footprint.

[Barry Beattie]

"He has started playing with reducing CF's base memory usage by
removing unneeded jar files from CF/lib/ "

I hope you're all developing against a similarly crippled CF instance,
lest you roll out a feature working in your dev/test environment but
not on your customers installs.

I thought you guys were having enough battles with supporting
different versions, let alone different sub-versions? I'll be curious
to hear Carl's presentation, not from a technical P.O.V, but from
logistics and business case.

There's a lot to be said for "throwing more iron" at a problem (ie:
hardware can be cheap compared to concequences). While this example
(below) is not the same thing, it shows how a little bit of hardware
failure can snowball into multi-millon dollar losses.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/still-no-clue-to-virgin-blues-20m-question/story-e6frgakx-1225937335722

Perhaps what is needed is to lease your customers your app(s), the OEM
CF licence ... and the hardware needed to run it - a complete turn-key
solution?

meh, I'll shut up now.



On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:46 AM, charlie arehart
 wrote:
> I don't know, this seems a curious way to seek to solve the problem.
>
> Instead, it would seem more appropriate to focus on lowering the footprint 
> created by
> your app(s). In most instances, CF seems to start up with at most a
> couple-to-a-few-hundred meg. The rest (between that and the approximate max 
> on 32 bit
> of about 1200mb) is all influenced by your code, your config, the traffic, 
> etc. It
> seems that addressing that would be more fruitful (and less risky, since 
> something may
> fail someday and now you won't know if it's because you removed some needed 
> jar).
>
> And of course, if you are on CF9 (Standard or Enterprise) or CF8 Enterprise, 
> you can
> go to 64 bit and remove that 1200meg max. Or if you're on CF Enterprise 6.1 
> or above,
> you can go to multiple instances, and may find that putting different 
> apps/sites in
> different instances allows each to use a reasonable amount per instance (not 
> nearing
> its limit, even on 32-bit.)
>
> I know it's not answering your question. I'm just offering it as a reminder 
> of another
> way to attack your problem.
>
> /charlie
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Ricardo Russon
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:42 PM
>> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [cfaussie] Reducing CF's Footprint.
>>
>> Has anyone done any work on reducing the footprint of CF?
>>
>> Our Admin, Carl, has been doing some work on CF memory management.
>> Mainly Garbage Collection.
>> (He will be presenting his findings at our next CFUG if anyone is interested)
>>
>> He has started playing with reducing CF's base memory usage by
>> removing unneeded jar files from CF/lib/ and seeing how that is
>> impacting things on startup. So far things seem to be going well, and
>> there have been some significant improvements.
>>
>> The question is: what can we safely remove?
>>
>> We know what we need for our application, but what does CF need to run
>> at a minimum without compromising  on stability?
>>
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Re: [cfaussie] Migrate CF from CF 5 to CF9

[Barry Beattie]

> I am wondering if the safest option for the smoothest migration be to
> migrate the server from cf5 to cf6 then to cf7 and then migrate from cf7 to
> cf9

yes, but if it was a critical application, spending time on comming up
with a comprehensive test plan and re-running it at each stage might
be worthwhile.

There's a lot of gotcha's to be found as dodgy or incorrect
programming practices get highlighted as the newer versions tighten up
the CF spec.

eg: the incorrect use of cfbreak within cfswitch/cfcase:

http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-t...@houseoffusion.com/msg225910.html

I'd also check how structs and arrays are being passed around (ByVal, ByRef,etc)

my 2c
b

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>
>
>
> I am needing to migrate from CF5 server to CF9
>
>
>
> I am aware that the jump from cf5 to cf9 is considerable given the
> structural changes between cf5 and cf9.
>
>
>
> I am wondering if the safest option for the smoothest migration be to
> migrate the server from cf5 to cf6 then to cf7 and then migrate from cf7 to
> cf9
>
>
>
> The only issue I have is finding install files for cf6 and cf7 if anyone is
> able to point me in the right direction where I am able to download the dev
> version of cf6 and cf7 I would appreciate your assistance.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
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Re: [cfaussie] RE: ColdFusion on Seek demise

[Barry Beattie]

sure, if you only want to restrict yourself to following the herd.

but why restrict oneself to just one source? Surely having many irons
in the fire is worthwhile?

Besides, two of those links were government jobs.

Seek may be the least worst, but it's not the only game in town.

my 2c.




On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Dale Fraser  wrote:
> In reality Seek is the only site worth a mention.
>
>
>
> There are others but they are small fry compared to Seek
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Dale Fraser
>
>
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
>
> http://cfmldocs.com
>
> http://learncf.com
>
> http://flexcf.com
>
>
>
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mark Ireland
> Sent: Monday, 30 August 2010 10:37 AM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] RE: ColdFusion on Seek demise
>
>
>
> Thanks. You've been helpful.
>
> Please post a list of them.
>
>> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:32:40 +1000
>> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] RE: ColdFusion on Seek demise
>> From: barry.beat...@gmail.com
>> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>>
>> > I was relying on Seek.
>> > What site should I use now?
>>
>> All of 'em. You never know your luck in the big city.
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Re: [cfaussie] RE: ColdFusion on Seek demise

[Barry Beattie]

Google is your friend

http://mycareer.com.au/search/jobs/qld/brisbane/?s=777&sq=coldfusion

http://jobsearch.careerone.com.au/Search.aspx?q=coldfusion&cy=au&where=Brisbane%2C%20QLD&rad=30&rad_units=km&qlt=625000&qln=3330166&lid=132&re=130

http://www.jobnet.com.au/

http://mycareer.com.au/search/jobs/qld/brisbane/?s=777&sq=coldfusion

http://jobsearch.gov.au/findajob/searchresults.aspx?Keywords=coldfusion&LocationCode=41%&;

http://jobs.qld.gov.au/

etc

hope that helps.


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>
> Please post a list of them.
>
>> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:32:40 +1000
>> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] RE: ColdFusion on Seek demise
>> From: barry.beat...@gmail.com
>> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>>
>> > I was relying on Seek.
>> > What site should I use now?
>>
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Re: [cfaussie] RE: ColdFusion on Seek demise

[Barry Beattie]

> I was relying on Seek.
> What site should I use now?

All of 'em. You never know your luck in the big city.

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Database Changes

[Barry Beattie]

"but from my experience, auditing is a feature requirement that is
included quite late..."

which is a shame because that and handling data collisions are
straightforward things to tackle if factored in at the beginning, not
hacked together after the fact.

which is why the best consultants get paid the big bucks - it saves
money in the long run.

well, my opinion anyway.



On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Pat  wrote:
> AOP would be nice... but if the code your are running your PointCuts
> on isn't quite set-up for it, its not the right solution.
>
> Do you have versioning on your records? This would make it a lot
> easier but from my experience, auditing is a feature requirement that
> is included quite late...
>
> On Aug 19, 10:19 am, Mark Mandel  wrote:
>> Here here!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Barry Beattie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > This is one of the reasons I like the concept of AOP - squeeze in
>> > there to add auditing/logging without mucking up too much code.
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Re: [cfaussie] Database Changes

[Barry Beattie]

Dale: does it have to be done at the DB level, or can it be via the DAL?

This is one of the reasons I like the concept of AOP - squeeze in
there to add auditing/logging without mucking up too much code.



On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Scott Thornton
 wrote:
> easy no,  possible yes.
>
>
>
> check out www.sqlservercentral.com for some auditing techniques.
>
>
>
> I audit quite a few of the fields in certain tables within my application.
>
>
>
> This is done via triggers, inserting changes into an audit table: eg:
>
>
>
> ALTER TRIGGER [tablename_UPDATE]
>
> ON    [dbo].[tablename]
>
> FOR   UPDATE
>
> AS
>
> /*
>
>
>
> Author: Scott Thornton
>
> Date: 05-07-2005
>
> Desc: For each field modified on the x table, insert a record into the Audit
> log table
>
>   and show the value of the filed before and after the update.
>
>
>
> */
>
> set nocount on
>
>
>
> SET DATEFORMAT DMY
>
>
>
> DECLARE @SB_INVOICE_ITEM_ID AS NUMERIC
>
> DECLARE @SB_UPDATED_BY AS VARCHAR(10)
>
>
>
> DECLARE @SB_SERVICE_DATE_OLD AS DATETIME
>
> DECLARE @SB_SERVICE_DATE_NEW AS DATETIME
>
>
>
> DECLARE @SB_ITEM_QTY_OLD AS VARCHAR(5)
>
> DECLARE @SB_ITEM_QTY_NEW AS VARCHAR(5)
>
>
>
>
>
> -- SET VARIABLE VALUES TO THE OLD "PRE-UPDATE" VALUE
>
> SELECT
>
>   @SB_INVOICE_ITEM_ID = SB_INVOICE_ITEM_ID ,
>
>   @SB_SERVICE_DATE_OLD =  SB_SERVICE_DATE,
>
>   @SB_ITEM_QTY_OLD = ISNULL(CONVERT(VARCHAR, SB_ITEM_QTY) ,'blank')
>
> FROM
>
>   DELETED
>
>
>
> -- SET VARIABLE VALUES TO THE NEW "POST-UPDATE" VALUE
>
> SELECT
>
>   @SB_SERVICE_DATE_NEW = SB_SERVICE_DATE ,
>
>   @SB_ITEM_QTY_NEW = ISNULL(CONVERT(VARCHAR, SB_ITEM_QTY) ,'blank')
>
> FROM
>
>   INSERTED
>
>
>
>
>
> -- THE SERVICE DATE HAS BEEN CHANGED
>
> IF @SB_SERVICE_DATE_OLD <> @SB_SERVICE_DATE_NEW
>
> BEGIN
>
>
>
>   INSERT INTO dbo.SB_AUDIT_LOG
>
>   (
>
>     SB_INVOICE_ITEM_ID,
>
>     SB_UPDATED_BY,
>
>     SB_UPDATE_DATE,
>
>     SB_AUDIT_EVENT
>
>   )
>
>   VALUES
>
>   (
>
>     @SB_INVOICE_ITEM_ID,
>
>     @SB_UPDATED_BY,
>
>     GETDATE(),
>
>     'Service date has been changed from ' +
> isnull(CONVERT(VARCHAR,@SB_SERVICE_DATE_OLD,113 ), 'blank') + ' to ' +
> isnull(CONVERT(VARCHAR, @SB_SERVICE_DATE_NEW,113), 'blank')
>
>   )
>
>
>
> END
>
>
>
> -- THE ITEM QUANTITY BEEN CHANGED
>
> IF @SB_ITEM_QTY_OLD <> @SB_ITEM_QTY_NEW
>
> BEGIN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   INSERT INTO dbo.SB_AUDIT_LOG
>
>   (
>
>     SB_INVOICE_ITEM_ID,
>
>     SB_UPDATED_BY,
>
>     SB_UPDATE_DATE,
>
>     SB_AUDIT_EVENT
>
>   )
>
>   VALUES
>
>   (
>
>     @SB_INVOICE_ITEM_ID,
>
>     @SB_UPDATED_BY,
>
>     GETDATE(),
>
>     'The Item Quantity has been changed from ' + CONVERT(VARCHAR,
> @SB_ITEM_QTY_OLD) + ' to ' + CONVERT(VARCHAR,@SB_ITEM_QTY_NEW)
>
>   )
>
>
>
> END
>
>
>
>
>
> tedious I know….
>
>
>
> PS: don't forget that triggers only will fire on single row updates. an
> update that effects multiple rows will only fire the trigger for the last
> row.
>
>
>
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dale Fraser
> Sent: Thursday, 19 August 2010 12:42 AM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Database Changes
>
>
>
> Is there an easy way to see what fields have changed in a database.
>
>
>
> I have an audit requirement that basically needs me to determine what
> changed
>
>
>
> So when I do an update, I would ideally like to know what columns and fields
> changed
>
>
>
> Something like
>
>
>
> Name: Fred Fluntstone
>
> Name: Fred Flintstone
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Dale Fraser
>
>
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
>
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Re: [cfaussie] CFObjective ANZ

[Barry Beattie]

and to back you up in what you say, Gavin, a classic case is formal
study. When I was teaching, I tried to impress on the students, that
although all the info was - in theory - out there ready to tap into,
what was lost was structure and context. Sometimes it needed the
expert to deliver it in a way for people to have the epiphany.

and of course, there's the followup questions that are sometimes invaluable.

I heard a story of a guest lecturer traveling around giving guest
spots, who had a driver/PA on "tour" with him.

After a while the driver said "what you do is easy! I reckon I can do
that - I've heard the same lecture enough times".

so they made a pact that the next stop they would swap roles and the
driver would give the lecture.

Sure enough the driver did a good job regurgitating the same script
... until someone in the audience asked a pointed question. The guy
kept his cool, trying to hide he wasn't the guest lecturer.

"what a silly question" he said. "So, silly that, in fact, I'm going
to let my driver answer that question!"

context, and expert advice, is everything.




On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Gavin Baumanis  wrote:
> So,
>
> Anyone here planning on going to any of the pre-conference workshops?
>
> I'm still trying to get the powers to be - to agree to send me to
> Charlie's CF Server admin workshop.
> While most of charlie's information is available on his website and on
> the mailing lists he loiters upon there's nothing quite like being
> able to ask specfic questions and get specific answers on the spot.
>
> Gavin.
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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Read an Excel spreadsheet...

[Barry Beattie]

> At least now I know a lot more about POI than I did before...


enough for a quick CFUG presentation?

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Read an Excel spreadsheet...

[Barry Beattie]

" It seems to me that something isn't quite right with the POI library"

Ewww...

is there any mention anywhere (Java/POI forums) of this? If you're
quite right, it could either be a bug or incompatibility in the POI
library...

... or Excel and Open Office are a lot more forgiving with sloppy
formatted documents while POI is more strict and correct.

just a bored Sunday thought.

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Re: [cfaussie] Least hated favourite J2EE Server for CF

[Barry Beattie]

I'd like to hear an answer for Andrew Myers question...


On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Andrew Myers  wrote:
> Back in the "old days"  when I was solely a Java developer I always thought
> of Tomcat was seen as a "reference implementation" rather than a production
> ready server.
>
> Has that view changed?

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Re: [cfaussie] The solution: Odd date behaviour - CF9/SQLServer2005

[Barry Beattie]

> string to date conversion as soon as form data is read. LSDateFormat()
> and other tools are part of a "form processing" layer before it gets

FUKIT!

dateFormat was for display. One of the Parse()/isDate() functions was
used for conversion/replace with sentinal values. I can't remember
what it was now.

I really must learn to shut the F up while I'm still this broken. No Fun.

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Re: [cfaussie] The solution: Odd date behaviour - CF9/SQLServer2005

[Barry Beattie]

Gareth (QLD CFUG mgr) and I identified this (dates as strings) as a
problem when developing a custom framework right back in CF6.1 days.

For my money, the only way to handle this is to strongly type all the
data as it moves from one layer to another (inc the DB), starting the
string to date conversion as soon as form data is read. LSDateFormat()
and other tools are part of a "form processing" layer before it gets
placed in it's first object/CFC. We thought of it as the opposite side
to formatting strongly typed data to strings for display (eg: decimals
as currency, etc).

The only downside to that is optional date values. This means picking
up an empty string from the form and replacing it with a sentinal
value (eg 1/1/0001) at the "form processing" layer with a
corrosponding piece of logic to convert that to a DBNULL.

IMHO the same holds true for numbers, especially decimals. That's one
of the many things I like Mark doing with Transfer - he thought of
this problem and tried to address it.

at least this is what my shattered mind can remember...

barry.b





uh oh. I can see a "CF needs NULL's" argument happening ... again ...

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet

[Barry Beattie]

> Quite frankly, I don't really care WHY things are broken,

you should - because even if it's fixed, it'll be unfixed given enough
time. It's the underlying causes that's broken. The portal is just a
symptom.

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet

[Barry Beattie]

@Mark

I think Steve's point is why should the community tell Adobe their
information is out of date.

it's their portal, no? Shouldn't they know this? it's their
relationship with their partners they should be actively engaging in,
yes?



On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Mark Mandel  wrote:
> So basically, there needs to be an update of the Partner portal -
> http://resellers.adobe.com/cgi-bin/user.cgi
>
> I'm sure we can push this to Adobe to get fixed.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Steve Onnis 
> wrote:
>>
>> on the Adobe website...via
>> https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/partnerportal/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fxap
>> 
>> From: Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 10:48 AM
>> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Where re you searching? via Adobe's website? ot Google?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Steve Onnis 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Example
>>>
>>> I did a search for "Authorised Resellers" in Victoria that sell CF and I
>>> only got 3 "Gold" level partners, one of which the partner website came
>>> up
>>> with a 404, the other one only had CF8 STD and the other site is down and
>>> is
>>> a US company, not an Australian company. I myself am a Bronze level
>>> partner,
>>> I do CF hosting and can distribute licenses "in Australia" yet no mention
>>> there and I am sure the same rings true for lots of other non-gold level
>>> partners. I mean to even be a gold level partner costs $7495USD.
>>>
>>> I then did a search for "Aobe Partner" relating to Coldfusion in Victoria
>>> and got only one, which is me, Inevative. Only 1? I would have thought
>>> there
>>> were more than that. Even Australia wide there are only 5 businesses
>>> listed
>>> there.  There are a few more than that im sure of it!  Daemon don't even
>>> promote they are a partner on their site anymore..are they still? WebQuem
>>> in
>>> Sydney have the Gold Level logo on their site and they were not even
>>> listed
>>> on the Adobe site at all.
>>>
>>> In the end my opinion is that Adobe are not doing enough to support its
>>> local partners and distributors in Australia and they need to start doing
>>> more.  Like the saying goesIf you always do what you have always done
>>> you will always get what you have always gotten.
>>
>>
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Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet

[Barry Beattie]

strongly disagree, Steve.

Who's to say that the "intended audience" ISN'T listening? Or that the
collective view can't influence the thinking of the "powers that be".
Or that others can learn from such discussion.

Besides, I was just asking for Kai's opinion - he's been around the
block a few times, seen a few things. He brought it up and I was just
asking that he expand his thoughts with a bit of detail. No harm in
that is there?



On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Steve Onnis  wrote:
> This kind of discussion has no value if there is no outcome though
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Bell [mailto:pb...@systemsforge.com]
> Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 1:42 AM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
>
> I kind of thought the whole point of a discussion was to try to merge
> disparate views. If there is perfect and complete agreement, not much need
> for a discussion - better just to go off down the pub instead :-)
>
> On May 30, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Steve Onnis wrote:
>
>> If their views are not the same then this whole discussion is futile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 12:29 AM
>> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
>>
>> @Steve:
>>
>> you're assuming their view, Kai's view, and even yours, are the same.
>> That may not be the case.
>>
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Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet

[Barry Beattie]

@Steve:

you're assuming their view, Kai's view, and even yours, are the same.
That may not be the case.



On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Steve Onnis  wrote:
> Adobe should already know these things...and if they don't then why don't
> they
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 30 May 2010 11:05 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
>
>>and that's what I keep saying all the time - Adobe's local office imho
> needs
>
>> a) a dedicated platform evangelism role for AU and NZ that reports
> directly into Ben Forta's evangelism team at Adobe corporate and
>
>> b) more local knowledge within Adobe about CF so that they are actually
> enabled to support CF in a similar way as they do with Creative Suite, Flex
> and LiveCycle.
>
> Kai, how much detail can you add to those suggestions? How do you see
> each of these points working?
>
> just curious
>
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Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet

[Barry Beattie]

>and that's what I keep saying all the time - Adobe's local office imho needs

> a) a dedicated platform evangelism role for AU and NZ that reports directly 
> into Ben Forta's evangelism team at Adobe corporate and

> b) more local knowledge within Adobe about CF so that they are actually 
> enabled to support CF in a similar way as they do with Creative Suite, Flex 
> and LiveCycle.

Kai, how much detail can you add to those suggestions? How do you see
each of these points working?

just curious

barry.b

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet

[Barry Beattie]

don't forget that Microsoft actively woo University tutors, young
instructors and students with various programs. The relationship
between the teaching staff at Q.U.T and Microsoft is a bit too close
for my liking as far as probity, but I've lost my links to demonstrate
this, and it might be old outdated news. It's been a few years since I
worked there.

but I mean, how can Adobe do anything with the likes of this?
Especially since it's a good relationship/deal for students.

http://www.mquter.qut.edu.au/
http://www.itnews.com.au/News/103828,microsoft-giving-away-dev-tools-to-uni-students-for-free.aspx
https://student-partners.com/default.aspx

barry.b





On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Andrew Myers  wrote:
> Would have been a lively meeting i'm sure :)
>
> Not saying it applies in this case, I think there is a belief that if
> developers for a particular technology are scarce they cost more, if they're
> plentiful they cost less (in theory).  .NET has appealed to some I've worked
> for because they can always tells us they are one day going to send all our
> work offshore.
>
> I don't necessarily subscribe to this point of view myself but I think it's
> how
>
> On 27/05/2010, at 10:38 PM, "Dale Fraser"  wrote:
>
>> Interestingly enough we had the man himself that made this decision at the
>> Melbourne ColdFusion User Group tonight.
>>
>> And he has valid reasons for moving on, the main one being that they
>> already
>> have a lot of .NET developers and have had trouble recruiting CF
>> developers
>> so made the decision to just have a single technology.
>>
>> I think this isn't such a bad decision, in that business.
>>
>> Regards
>> Dale Fraser
>>
>> http://dale.fraser.id.au
>> http://cfmldocs.com
>> http://learncf.com
>> http://flexcf.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Barry Beattie
>> Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 9:52 PM
>> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
>>
>>> TAFEs have a different problem. Teaching specific technologies is part of
>>
>> their brief. There is some limited curriculum material available (based on
>> the commercial courses) for vocational colleges to teach using the Adobe
>> products, but what TAFEs need are teachers with the skills to teach these
>> languages.
>>
>> me me me. That's how I was brought, kicking and screaming, to CF - I
>> had to teach it. I've been looking, Robin, but no TAFE's are looking
>> for experienced and qualified CF teachers in my city. You hear of one?
>> let me know, OK?
>>
>>
>>> Adobe can't magic these people into being - they have to come from the
>>
>> community.  If you're a contractor or a full timer looking to moonlight as
>> an evening instructor, have you considered approaching your local TAFE or
>> community college and offering to run a web development course?  Emma
>> Jones
>> (nee Steer, some of you may remember her as the Canberra Macromedia UG
>> manager for several years) has been having some success with Flash and the
>> local TAFEs around Wangaratta. Maybe someone with some pedagogical bent
>> could start a wiki for lesson plans and extra course material and ideas
>> for
>> people who wanted to get into this.
>>
>>
>> I would have thought that a barometer to do that would be the strength
>> of short courses delivering this.
>>
>> Brisbane North TAFE (my employer until earlier this year) has sewn up
>> the TAFE short course scene with their Adult Community Education
>> courses (over a weekend or so). But to be honest, they get more go
>> from lead-lighting and wine appreciation than computer languages. It's
>> a Micky-Mouse operation and practically anyone can offer something to
>> them. If they reckon their cut is worthwhile, they might listen.
>>
>> The only other way courses could be delivered out of the TAFE system
>> is either accredited (you get a qualification - CertIII,Cert IV, Dip)
>> and CF would be one platform to learn on
>>
>> or non-accredited specialist short courses.
>>
>> Both delivered out of faculty, not third-party (you have teachers with
>> tenure to consider here). FYI Brisbane Nth (Ithaca campus) has IMHO
>> the best reputation for IT for all the Brisbane TAFE's.
>>
>> I've designed courses while at QANTM up to Diploma level (it's not
>> hard if you know what you're doing) tha

Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet

[Barry Beattie]

> TAFEs have a different problem. Teaching specific technologies is part of 
> their brief. There is some limited curriculum material available (based on 
> the commercial courses) for vocational colleges to teach using the Adobe 
> products, but what TAFEs need are teachers with the skills to teach these 
> languages.

me me me. That's how I was brought, kicking and screaming, to CF - I
had to teach it. I've been looking, Robin, but no TAFE's are looking
for experienced and qualified CF teachers in my city. You hear of one?
let me know, OK?


> Adobe can't magic these people into being - they have to come from the 
> community.  If you're a contractor or a full timer looking to moonlight as an 
> evening instructor, have you considered approaching your local TAFE or 
> community college and offering to run a web development course?  Emma Jones 
> (nee Steer, some of you may remember her as the Canberra Macromedia UG 
> manager for several years) has been having some success with Flash and the 
> local TAFEs around Wangaratta. Maybe someone with some pedagogical bent could 
> start a wiki for lesson plans and extra course material and ideas for people 
> who wanted to get into this.


I would have thought that a barometer to do that would be the strength
of short courses delivering this.

Brisbane North TAFE (my employer until earlier this year) has sewn up
the TAFE short course scene with their Adult Community Education
courses (over a weekend or so). But to be honest, they get more go
from lead-lighting and wine appreciation than computer languages. It's
a Micky-Mouse operation and practically anyone can offer something to
them. If they reckon their cut is worthwhile, they might listen.

The only other way courses could be delivered out of the TAFE system
is either accredited (you get a qualification - CertIII,Cert IV, Dip)
and CF would be one platform to learn on

or non-accredited specialist short courses.

Both delivered out of faculty, not third-party (you have teachers with
tenure to consider here). FYI Brisbane Nth (Ithaca campus) has IMHO
the best reputation for IT for all the Brisbane TAFE's.

I've designed courses while at QANTM up to Diploma level (it's not
hard if you know what you're doing) that incorporated CF.

There is a real need to do pre-testing before admittance - an aptitude
test. At QANTM any Diploma course, the hard break-even (class
size/enrollments) was 12. 15 was a soft break-even that got you some
cred to get resources. Class sizes of 20 or more guaranteed it would
run next year. Two or more classes of 20 means they would look at a
mid-year intake as well. I was never able to get those numbers so the
course couldn't fly (and that was with 3 languages - CF, PHP and
ASP.NET/C# - on two platforms - Linux and Win - with a decent section
on Flash/Flex apps and a bit on video streaming).


Half a dozen people sitting in a 3 day short-course delivered by a
private training provider is as much as you can expect, methinks. You
certainly couldn't do that every week for the instructor to pay their
mortgage...

my opinion only. No cents offered here. I've none left.

barry.b

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet

[Barry Beattie]

"I love developing resources, working with them to realise their full
potential."

Resources, Chad?

Forgive me for saying but you mean "people" don't you?

People who have passion? who have failings? who have ... family?

In my mind, there's a distinct difference. It's "people" who can have
a symbiotic relationship employer/employee - including the goodwill of
providing training to look to the future.

"Resources" are simply to be used. Sucked dry like a dog removing the
marrow out of a bone. Thrown on the scrap heap when all is spent.

I suppose it's the difference between cooperation ... and prostitution.

and if I haven't made my point clear, employers would do well in
building up goodwill and loyalty with their employees if they simply
cared about them - including providing training and career pathways to
encourage them to stay instead of moving on.

... unless they're simply "resources" to be slotted in and out when needed.

my 2c.
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Re: [cfaussie] Digest for cfaussie@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic

[Barry Beattie]

please forgive in saying so, but

"I'm not really keen on the whole idea of having the index.cfm stuck
in the middle of the URL like that - I think it looks kludgy."

does it really matter? Since when are URL's aesthetically pleasing?
look at the crap in the "address bar" of many applications - more
often than not it looks like alphabet soup.

"Friendly URL's" are a different matter: they are designed to provide
a sensible mapping between using the URL as a "name" to "content". A
la REST.

but Fusebox, esp earlier versions, are far from presenting their URL's
in a friendly, easy to remember format.

just my 2c

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Seona Bellamy  wrote:
> Err... I am using Fusebox. The only plugin I can find means that you end up
> with a url along the lines of:
>
> http://www.myserver.com/index.cfm/action/main.home/variable1/value1
>
> I'm not really keen on the whole idea of having the index.cfm stuck in the
> middle of the URL like that - I think it looks kludgy. On the other hand,
> the plugin I found was a few years old. If you can point me at a more recent
> one that fixes this problem, then I'd be thrilled! :)
>
> And yeah, I do get what you're saying about real rewriting needing to happen
> at the webserver level. That's how I've worked with it in the past but was
> just playing around with the idea to see fi I could find an alternative.
>
> Thanks for your input! :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Seona.
>
> 2009/12/19 Daniel Punton 
>>
>> I honesty doubt you can find one solution for both IIS and apache. That is
>> the crux as the redirection/aliasing (rewrite) has to happen at the
>> webserver level.
>> If you were only using fusebox you could of course use a plugin.
>> Dan
>>>
>>> Seona Bellamy  Dec 18 02:34PM +1100 ^
>>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> I'm using my time off work to play around with some old half-finished
>>> projects that have been knocking around my hard-drive for a few years,
>>> seeing what I can bring to them with the new techniques and perspectives
>>> I
>>> learned in my last job. One of these projects in a half-built Fusebox 4
>>> app
>>> and the issue I've been thinking about today is friendly URLs.
>>>
>>> In my last job, we used ISAPI Rewrite to handle the URL rewiring for our
>>> CMS. It was very effective and relatively easy to customise once you got
>>> your head around the syntax, but the main problem I see with it is that
>>> it's
>>> only feasible when you have control over the server and can make sure
>>> that
>>> the necessary software is installed and suchlike. (That's my
>>> understanding
>>> of it, anyway, so please correct me if I'm wrong!)
>>>
>>> I'm looking to create something that can be taken and uploaded to any CF
>>> server, including shared hosting providers, and "just work". That's the
>>> theory anyway. So I was thinking about ways that you could write
>>> something
>>> in CF to handle this. I've done some searching and the only options I can
>>> find are rather old (most seemed to date around 2005 as far as I could
>>> tell)
>>> and so I'm not sure how relevant they would still be.
>>>
>>> So is this something that anyone has done or knows of being done and can
>>> point me to? Is there a way to handle it in Fusebox so that you don't
>>> need
>>> to keep the index.cfm in the middle of the URL (as all the examples I
>>> found
>>> seem to do)? Am I just indulging in a pipe dream here and sound give up
>>> and
>>> play with something else?
>>>
>>> Any thoughts and/or suggestions would be welcome on this. I'm tired to
>>> going
>>> around in circles.
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[cfaussie] Re: Persistent Scopes and Memory

[Barry Beattie]

@Steve

catch up with this guy

http://cfobjective.com.au/index.cfm?objectID=27C7E0B3-1AA0-353A-5AF4E2E0384D235B

he'll be in your neighborhood

http://cfobjective.com.au/index.cfm?objectID=27CD659B-1AA0-353A-5ABF2F5691298C29


my 2c

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Steve Onnis  wrote:
> yep. put them all in, restarted the server and it wouldnt start
> 
> From: Mark Ireland [mailto:markinc...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 12:43 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Persistent Scopes and Memory
>
>
> You tried everything he suggested, all at once?
>
> 
> From: st...@cfcentral.com.au
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Persistent Scopes and Memory
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 05:17:12 +1100
>
> I tried this on my CF8.01 64 Bit server and the server wouldn't restart..had
> to roll it back
> 
> From: Kevin Pepperman [mailto:chorno...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 7 November 2009 11:21 AM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Persistent Scopes and Memory
>
> I believe he is referring to:
>
>  standard garbage collector can't collect in the permanent generation
>
> http://www.shadocms.com/shadozoom/company/blog/2009/jvm-perm-out-of-memory-fix.cfm
> Adding the info in this post to our jvm config solved our perm gen memory
> issues.
>
>  CF is doing 'small' garbage collection and 'large' garbage collection.
>
> /K
> 
>
> 
> Head to the Daily Blob on Windows Live For more of what happens online
> >
>

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[cfaussie] Re: Keeping code formatted / indented?

[Barry Beattie]

some IDE's have that sort of feature ... but it's use depends on how
the team works

ie: you can waste a lot of time in a team if people format code
differently AND use CVS/SVN AND use compare/merger tools. All of a
sudden, there are wholesale changes to the file as reported by
WinMerge (or whatever) and all that's happened is the whitespace is
different.

best thing to do?

everyone agree on using the same code editor, and abide by the same
formatting standards EXACTLY. One place I was working at a few years
ago, I was so gung-ho about promoting organisational standards - and
the team "got it" (what/why) that it got to the stage where I couldn't
tell their code from mine.

People check their ego's in at the front door and remember they are a
co-operative of developers working towards a common goal - set the
ground rules that everyone can abide by. Lest you end up with the
coding version of Australian Railways with 3 different traintrack
gauges!

meh, just my 2c.
barry.b



On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:52 PM, cfdump  wrote:
>
> I sometimes "inherit" / have to take over people's spaghetti code.  I
> don't know what other folks do but my first priority was always to run
> through and indent it properly so I could make sense of what's going
> on.
>
> Recently, a friend pointed me to:
> http://www.logichammer.com to use the HTML Formatter and it has been
> working great...even works in CFEclipse, Dreamweaver, etc...From what
> I found in the screencast.  Get's my code formatted in seconds...even
> for entire projects.
>
> What do other people use?  What strategies do you guys employ?
>
> Curious what other folks do.
>
> Thanks,
> CFDUMP
>
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: cfthread - can I see if a thread is still running

[Barry Beattie]

the server monitor API might help here:

http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/8/htmldocs/threads_6.html#1154144
http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/8/htmldocs/servermonitor_14.html

one last thing:

don't forget - you have a SERVER scope available to you to store info.
More encompassing than APPLICATION, suitable for server-wide use, like
system stuff.

just my 2c
barry.b




On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 2:52 PM, BarryC  wrote:
>
> You could just store a value in a persistent scope such as the
> application scope.
> When your ZIP thread completes, have it write a value to the
> application scope (such as a date/time stamp).
> The FTP thread can just check that value is set, if it is, then it
> knows the ZIP thread has completed.
>
> Barry.
>
> On Nov 2, 11:03 am, Mark King  wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I am writing a simple backup process using some "set and forget" style
>> threads. One thread makes ZIPs and the other thread sends them
>> elsewhere via FTP.
>>
>> I currently have these running as scheduled tasks, one on Sunday and
>> the other on Monday. I am thinking of changing this so the FTP thread
>> runs hourly, but checks the file sizes and last modified dates before
>> sending the files, but I would also like the check if the thread that
>> ZIPs the files up has completed, or is queued to be run.
>>
>> Is this possible? Can I check for the existence of a thread by name?
>>
>> I am using CF8 Standard.
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: Melbourne CFUG This TONIGHT

[Barry Beattie]

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Mark Mandel wrote:
> I'll be there with bells on :D
>
> No really. Bells.


ah ha! thought so...

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=morris+dancer

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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Barry Beattie]

> What we need is Flex Builder and Bolt to be part of the web version of the
> next Adobe Creative Suite. :-)

oooh .. that's an interesting viewpoint.

Should CFB and FXB be part of Web suite, or a new suite collection altogether?

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[cfaussie] Re: Flex

[Barry Beattie]

Tamworth eh?

our usergroups have tried to support regional Queenlanders (Cairns,
Townsville, etc) via Connect of our meetings - it's real hit'n'miss,
y'know? Great idea in theory but really hard to pull off and make it
run smooth (sometimes ya just have to be there).

there's an online Flex group it seems (looks like a similar concept to
Charlie Arehart's CFMeetup group - online user group) ... it may be a
viable alternative, esp if you want to ping like-minded souls. Managed
by Matt Chotin from Adobe.

http://groups.adobe.com/groups/38983d0eb1/about

also

mailing lists

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexaussie/
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/

good luck
barry.b



On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Andrew Myers wrote:
> Thanks Barry.
>
> I'm in Tamworth, and I'm guessing my closest UG is in Sydney...but I'll
> definitely follow that video tutorial.
>
> If by some freak of nature there happens to be another CF developer in my
> vicinity, I would be very keen to hear from you :-)
>
>
> 2009/7/24 Barry Beattie 
>>
>> a starting point
>>
>> http://www.google.com.au/search?q=learn+flex+in+a+week
>>
>> and drop into your local Adobe Flash Platform User Group for support
>> and guidance
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Andrew Myers wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Well I've decided it's time I did something about learning this Flex
>> > thingy...can anyone recommend a good place to start?  Is this worth
>> > doing?
>> > http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/videotraining/
>> >
>> > Also, is there a google group for Flex?  I couldn't find anything on a
>> > quick
>> > search...
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Andrew.
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: Flex

[Barry Beattie]

a starting point

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=learn+flex+in+a+week

and drop into your local Adobe Flash Platform User Group for support
and guidance


On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Andrew Myers wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well I've decided it's time I did something about learning this Flex
> thingy...can anyone recommend a good place to start?  Is this worth doing?
> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/videotraining/
>
> Also, is there a google group for Flex?  I couldn't find anything on a quick
> search...
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew.
>
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: OT : Free trial Coldfusion 9 hosting accounts now available

[Barry Beattie]

WOW!

this is excellent news Steve, and good on yer for arranging this

PPL

if you've been keeping up with the CF9 progress and have jumped onto
the public beta

and have an app that you've proven that works with CF9

and have used some new CF9 features (eg the new spreadsheet or
presentation functionality)

and you want a platform to advertise how much of a smart cookie you
are and beat the competition with a soon-to-market app using CF9

(and ya gotta admit: with a CF9 public beta released, we're probably
gonna see the official full release this year)

... then Steve's offer just might be the ticket...




On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Steve Onnis wrote:
> NovaHost is offering free trial Coldfusion 9 hosting accounts while the
> product is in public beta.  I have been given the go ahead from Adobe so if
> you want an account you can sign up at http://www.coldfusion.com.au.
>
> These accounts are not for commercial use and they will be monitored so as
> to not breach any terms of the beta use policies outlined by Adobe.
>
> Again, you can sign up at http://www.coldfusion9.com.au/
>
> Regards
> Steve Onnis
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: Inserting Queries

[Barry Beattie]

Hi Brian

queryInMomory (sic: "momery"?) has multiple rows, yes?

if so, anything wrong with a loop over the in-memory query doing
individual db inserts for each loop iteration?

the thing to keep in mind is that the in-memory query is nothing more
than a CF memory data structure, not a db query, view or table.
basically a struct of arrays.

in other words, two different "layers", you need to take the data out
of the "CF layer" (in-memory query) and put it into the "db layer"
(inserts into db tables)

just a thought
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On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:21 AM, KNOTT,
Brian wrote:
> Guys having a slow brain day.
>
> I have a query that I have created from code using the QueryNew command.
>
> I now want to insert this into a database, something like
>
> 
> INSERT INTO databaseTable
> SELECT Title, title as Modelname, ModelPath, ModelEmailString,
> CubePublishPath, PPESPublishPath, ModelUserSecurity,
> ModelBuildExtraCommandsPre, ModelBuildExtraCommandsPost, BuildLevel,
> BusinessName, Duration, Keywords, NotifyStatus, MajorGrouping,
> MinorGrouping, ModelLabel, Frequency, Status, PrimaryMDC, ItemType, Path
> FROM queryInMomory
> 
>
> Thanks
>
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[cfaussie] Re: Why we can NOT see our user group (APUGS) at first place?

[Barry Beattie]

I vote Kai to tell 'em.

getting a German-born New Zealander to tell the Americans that they've
made a mistake has to be interesting reading in somebody' book...

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Kai Koenig wrote:
> I all seriousness, I think that's a mistake on the group admin's
> end. Hawaii
> doesn't belong to the Adobe Pacific region but the North American region :)
> Cheers
> Kai
>
> On 21/07/2009, at 5:35 PM, Kym Kovan wrote:
>
> Barry Beattie wrote:
>
> don't the Yanks own Hawaii? I seem to remember a movie called "Pearl
> Harbour"
>
> Not if you're a surfer, separate country then :-)
>
>
> --
>
> Yours,
>
> Kym Kovan
> mbcomms.net.au
>
>
>
>
>
> _
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> ph: +64 4 476 6781 - mob: +64 21 928 365 /  +61 450 132 117
> web: http://www.ventego-creative.co.nz
> blog: http://www.bloginblack.de
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[cfaussie] Re: Why we can NOT see our user group (APUGS) at first place?

[Barry Beattie]

oh noe! the Union is starting to fall apart...

don't let us Queenslanders see that, we'll get ideas and want to
secede from the Commonwealth (and take Northern NSW with us)




On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Chris
Velevitch wrote:
>
> Someone's decided to separate ;-) (see the In Visual Form user group
> on the Pacific Groups page.)
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 15:24, Barry Beattie wrote:
>>
>> don't the Yanks own Hawaii? I seem to remember a movie called "Pearl Harbour"
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Chris
>> Velevitch wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 13:45, Kai Koenig wrote:
>>>> The Australian groups are in the Pacific Category because that's the
>>>> region you're in (also NZ and same would be true for groups in
>>>> Pacific Island countries such as Fiji, Samoa and others if there
>>>> were any).
>>>
>>> Don't forget Hawaii ;-).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> --
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>>> Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney
>>> m: 0415 469 095
>>> www.apugs.org.au
>>>
>>> Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney
>>> August meeting: TBD
>>> Date: Mon 31st August 6pm for 6:30 start
>>> Details and RSVP on http://groups.adobe.com/posts/ff4e77c84f
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> --
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[cfaussie] Re: Why we can NOT see our user group (APUGS) at first place?

[Barry Beattie]

don't the Yanks own Hawaii? I seem to remember a movie called "Pearl Harbour"



On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Chris
Velevitch wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 13:45, Kai Koenig wrote:
>> The Australian groups are in the Pacific Category because that's the
>> region you're in (also NZ and same would be true for groups in
>> Pacific Island countries such as Fiji, Samoa and others if there
>> were any).
>
> Don't forget Hawaii ;-).
>
>
>
> Chris
> --
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> Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney
> m: 0415 469 095
> www.apugs.org.au
>
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> August meeting: TBD
> Date: Mon 31st August 6pm for 6:30 start
> Details and RSVP on http://groups.adobe.com/posts/ff4e77c84f
>
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[cfaussie] Re: Why we can NOT see our user group (APUGS) at first place?

[Barry Beattie]

Hi Hitesh

our Aussie groups are there

http://groups.adobe.com/pages/c9b6d661e2/pages/cfa2fbd9a7

Chris.V's Sydney group is the first one listed. In fact, I think Chris
was the first in our region to add APUGS to the Adobe User Groups
listing (or at least one of the first)

Perhaps the issue is that we're under the "Pacific Groups" category?
(which also covers NZ) "Pacific" might seem strange to us (since Perth
is on the Indian Ocean) but, meh, we have to go somewhere I suppose...





On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Hitesh wrote:
>
> Sorry, this is not technical issue or query. I don't know how to make
> that happen but I just though let me draw an attention.
>
> When we go here http://groups.adobe.com/pages/home we can NOT find our
> user group (http://groups.adobe.com/groups/bcbdd8f55d/summary) like
> others user groups America, Europe, India etc...
>
> Can someone make this happen? It feels really good if our User Group
> can be there.
>
> Thanks.
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: OT : Friday discussion "To browse or not to browse"

[Barry Beattie]

the Microsoft fanboy I work with puts the blame straight back onto the
spec. His argument is that the spec is so vague in how it's to be
implemented that the inconsistencies arise from different browser
makers implementing the spec in different ways.

me? I'm not caring too much. I'm into web applications where there is
some control over what the client has to use - and I'd rather it be
something like Flex and bypass the whole sorry mess.



On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Zac Spitzer wrote:
>
> by my every other the same comment, I meant that they have
> collobrated using standards for their design, and as a result
> they tend to work rather the same.
>
> in my experience, it's only IE where there are lots of works arounds required
>
> webkit talk to gecko developers and vice versa, they usually
> take into consideration what other browsers do when fixing
> problems, thus they have become a lot more standard these
> days
>
> when your doing javascript in IE, doesn't it feel like they didn't want
> to make the experience enjoyable?
>
> z
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Mark Mandel wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Steve Onnis  wrote:
>>>
>>> Zac
>>>
>>> I have to disagree with your "every other mainstream browsers works the
>>> same" comment. Safari renders certain things different between MAC and PC,
>>> and same goes for FireFox.  The of course there is Opera and now Google
>>> Chrome handles certain things differently, and that doesn’t include the
>>> Linux flavoured browsers either.
>>
>> Actually... I dunno about that statement
>>
>> Safari == Google Chrome
>>
>> For all intensive purposes, as they are both webkit based.
>>
>> Most Linux flavoured browsers - are generally Webkit based as well, Epiphany
>> is Mozilla based (if it's not using the Webkit backend).
>>
>> As far as I have seen on the differences between OS's, is more font's than
>> anything else, which I don't see as a huge issue.
>>
>> So really, apart from IE, everything is either WebKit, or Mozilla backends.
>> Not actually that many options.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>>
>>> I guess the argument is based around website development verses
>>> application
>>> development, both of which have very different requirements for
>>> functionality.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Zac Spitzer [mailto:zac.spit...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, 17 July 2009 5:37 PM
>>> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT : Friday discussion "To browse or not to
>>> browse"
>>>
>>>
>>> IE is pure evil, even IE8 is still pure evil, because every other
>>> mainstream
>>> browers works the same... IE is just plain quirky, even in 8
>>>
>>> IE6 is and old lame duck an simply wasn't designed to handle heavy
>>> complex javascript
>>> and things like the standard event model don't work ( think jquery live
>>> change )
>>> or transparency issues
>>>
>>> The web would be a much cooler place if we didn't waste so much time on
>>> IE6
>>> issues, and we'd all be more productive
>>>
>>> there was a nice story about Hillary Cinton being asked about the US gov
>>> and
>>> IE6
>>> and the response from one of the guys was nothing was free.
>>>
>>> It's mainly senior managers who have allowed the persistant IE6 bit rot,
>>> citing
>>> the cost of moving, which is laughable for any developers who has worked
>>> with
>>> modern browsers, because once you escape the IE6 hell, things become
>>> easier
>>> quicker and more predictable
>>>
>>> There's always IE tab for FF
>>>
>>> this debate reminds me of the whole climate change denialists problem
>>>
>>> z
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Chad Renando
>>> wrote:
>>> > I cringe when I hear the word "just".  As a production manager, I hear a
>>> lot
>>> > of "just" related to IE6 specific "tweaks" (it will 'just' take me an
>>> > hour
>>> > or two), which cumulate to thousands of dollars per year and significant
>>> > schedule pain.  Yes, in a perfect world IE6 would be managed through
>>> perfect
>>> > CSS and if/then statements.  But our world of plug ins, widgets,
>>> third-party
>>> > ad-ons and integration with legacy systems is far from perfect.  I
>>> > require
>>> > an element of predictability and profitability that IE6 in particular
>>> > threatens.
>>> >
>>> > It takes a significant amount of time to perform a full user test on
>>> > each
>>> > browser, and accommodating the likes of Safari, IE6, IE7, IE8, FF2, FF3,
>>> and
>>> > Opera can be a 2-day exercise, not too mention if there are issues that
>>> > require changes and re-testing.  It would be nice to eliminate just one
>>> > of
>>> > the "options" we as a society feel are necessary.
>>> >
>>> > If I have an option to kill something, IE6 is top of my list.
>>> >
>>> > Chad
>>> > who still lurks on Cold Fusion forums like the bad smell from the lunch
>>> your
>>> > 6th grade kid forgot in their bag over school holidays
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Steve Onnis 
>>> > wrote:
>>>

[cfaussie] Re: OT : Another Friday discussion : "FLEX Vs HTML5"

[Barry Beattie]

> - How "sellable" is HTML5 to clients?

see my comments on how the Enterprise I work in is still using IE6
across the board and is only now evaluating IE7...
(whereas Flex, or at least FlashPlayer10 is here already).

Meh, my 1.5cents
barry.b





On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Steve Onnis wrote:
> Just watched an interesting, and my first video
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AusOPz8Ww80) on what's happening with
> HTML5.  From what I have seen in the past, HTML5 has been in the works for a
> long time and from what I can see now it will still be a while before it is
> officially released even though a few browsers are starting to implement
> some of the functionality now.  It was interesting to see they are doing a
> lot of work around asynchronous sending and receiving of data, 2D/3D
> rendering, offline data storage, native video embedding with the 
> tag and and some other cool stuff that will certainly make developing
> websites a lot more interesting.  I couldn't help but think though while I
> was watching it was that you can do all this stuff in FLEX and FLASH and
> using Blaze or LifeCycle so I put to youwhich would you rather? Develop
> with FLEX or utilise HTML5 ?  Considering the uptake of the "average"
> internet user actually upgrading their browsers I can't really see a great
> opportunity to be able to utilise the additional features and functionality
> that will come with HTML5 where as the uptake of the FLASH plug-in already
> has the penetration and the flexibility and customisation of FLEX and FLASH
> is heaps better than what I could see the HTML5 components being.
>
> The way I see it, HTML5 is like a new road, but you are saying to people
> they have to buy a new car to drive on it (yes I know the browsers are
> free), and to a lot of users, computers are like cars, as long as it goes
> and they put fuel in it they don't care and I see the same thing with
> browsers. I wouldn't think the average user would consciously upgrade their
> browsers which is why we still have XP users running IE6it works and
> that's all they are worried about.
>
> - What are your thoughts?
> - How "sellable" is HTML5 to clients?
> - Can you justify saying to your client "Hey we can do this really cool
> stuff but ANYONE who wants to use it will have to upgrade their browser."
> - Is HTML5 just going to create a new generation of hacks and work arounds
> to utilise new features and still retain backwards compatibility?
> - Do you think that the time being spent on HTML5 would be better spent
> getting everyone to implement the HTML4 standards more consistently?
>
> Food for thought
>
> Steve
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: OT : Friday discussion "To browse or not to browse"

[Barry Beattie]

I should also point out that the SOE of the enterprise environment
uses IE6 (thousands of machines)

there is a pilot and review (run by the department next door to me) of
evaluating for deployment ... wait for it ... IE7 ...




On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Barry Beattie wrote:
> so what you guys are saying is that you're hopeful that Microsoft is
> successful in promoting IE8 ... yes?
>
>  > The real problem as far as I am concerned is that people using IE6 are 
> often
>> using operating systems which Microsoft will no longer support, but still
>> expect web sites to support them.
>
> you are NOT going to have any joy converting those people from
> Internet Explorer to Chrome or Firefox. Give up now before the
> heartache.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Andrew Myers wrote:
>> Interesting discussion.
>>
>> Personally, the main issue I have with IE6 these days is I have a lot of
>> users on my site who want to print everything out and I'm often getting
>> people complaining about the right margin getting cut off.  You can always
>> guarantee these are IE6 users.  I create a separate print stylesheet that
>> only has percentage based widths in it, rather than pixel based it fixes the
>> issues in IE6.  But IMHO it's a nuisance having to do that when the problem
>> has already been addressed in more modern browsers.
>>
>> Not sure that I agree with your comment that it's unfair to target this
>> browser though.  The fact is that it's old technology - there have been two
>> newer IE releases with address a lot of its issues, and there are many other
>> alternatives.
>>
>> The real problem as far as I am concerned is that people using IE6 are often
>> using operating systems which Microsoft will no longer support, but still
>> expect web sites to support them.
>>
>> The good news is that it is slowly dying of old age as far as I can
>> tell...we're down to about 23% of our users on it.  Hopefully just like $1
>> and $2 notes and copper coins they'll all be out of circulation soon. :-)))
>>
>> Andrew.
>>
>> 2009/7/17 Steve Onnis 
>>>
>>> Today I thought I would log into my twitter account after 7 months mind
>>> you and have a look around again thinking "maybe" I can put it to some use
>>> (jury is still out on that one), but while I was in there I noticed in the
>>> right hand column under "Trending topics" I noticed a topic names "IE6 Must
>>> die".  Being human and curious by nature I thought I would check it out and
>>> noticed some interesting comments like "IE6 must die for the web to move on"
>>> and "I spent days trying to get sites looking vaguely similar in IE6 to
>>> Firefox. IE IS EVIL! ".
>>>
>>> I guess my question is, should IE6 die? Is IE really evil? I hear a lot of
>>> talk about how Microsoft browsers don't adhere to W3C standards and
>>> developing for IE is such a pain and FireFox is a much better browser.  How
>>> much time do you really spend checking cross browser compatibility?  Is it
>>> really worth it?  In my experience, I would say not a great deal.  If you
>>> stick to the standards I have found that you end up just tweaking the CSS a
>>> little and most of if is because of positioning issues.  That said, this
>>> sort of issue is not only related to the IE browsers or IE6 specifically.
>>> MAC in general are a pain because of the way they render fonts and have
>>> there own style of "classic" fonts like Arial and so on. Issues like that
>>> cause problems with padding and spacing, especially if you are looking for a
>>> pixel perfect layout.  At least with IE browsers you can use the IF/ELSE
>>> technique to include specific CSS files to target specific versions of the
>>> browser.
>>>
>>> There are CSS hacks for everything now, and honestly I don't think you
>>> need them as long as you stick to simple standards code.  A lot can be
>>> achieved if you do this without having to sacrifice functionality or
>>> compatibility for the plethora of browsers available.
>>>
>>> In the end, every browser, new and old has their quirks and to point the
>>> finger and at one browser is unfair if not unjust.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>
>>
>> >>
>>
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[cfaussie] Re: OT : Friday discussion "To browse or not to browse"

[Barry Beattie]

so what you guys are saying is that you're hopeful that Microsoft is
successful in promoting IE8 ... yes?

 > The real problem as far as I am concerned is that people using IE6 are often
> using operating systems which Microsoft will no longer support, but still
> expect web sites to support them.

you are NOT going to have any joy converting those people from
Internet Explorer to Chrome or Firefox. Give up now before the
heartache.






On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Andrew Myers wrote:
> Interesting discussion.
>
> Personally, the main issue I have with IE6 these days is I have a lot of
> users on my site who want to print everything out and I'm often getting
> people complaining about the right margin getting cut off.  You can always
> guarantee these are IE6 users.  I create a separate print stylesheet that
> only has percentage based widths in it, rather than pixel based it fixes the
> issues in IE6.  But IMHO it's a nuisance having to do that when the problem
> has already been addressed in more modern browsers.
>
> Not sure that I agree with your comment that it's unfair to target this
> browser though.  The fact is that it's old technology - there have been two
> newer IE releases with address a lot of its issues, and there are many other
> alternatives.
>
> The real problem as far as I am concerned is that people using IE6 are often
> using operating systems which Microsoft will no longer support, but still
> expect web sites to support them.
>
> The good news is that it is slowly dying of old age as far as I can
> tell...we're down to about 23% of our users on it.  Hopefully just like $1
> and $2 notes and copper coins they'll all be out of circulation soon. :-)))
>
> Andrew.
>
> 2009/7/17 Steve Onnis 
>>
>> Today I thought I would log into my twitter account after 7 months mind
>> you and have a look around again thinking "maybe" I can put it to some use
>> (jury is still out on that one), but while I was in there I noticed in the
>> right hand column under "Trending topics" I noticed a topic names "IE6 Must
>> die".  Being human and curious by nature I thought I would check it out and
>> noticed some interesting comments like "IE6 must die for the web to move on"
>> and "I spent days trying to get sites looking vaguely similar in IE6 to
>> Firefox. IE IS EVIL! ".
>>
>> I guess my question is, should IE6 die? Is IE really evil? I hear a lot of
>> talk about how Microsoft browsers don't adhere to W3C standards and
>> developing for IE is such a pain and FireFox is a much better browser.  How
>> much time do you really spend checking cross browser compatibility?  Is it
>> really worth it?  In my experience, I would say not a great deal.  If you
>> stick to the standards I have found that you end up just tweaking the CSS a
>> little and most of if is because of positioning issues.  That said, this
>> sort of issue is not only related to the IE browsers or IE6 specifically.
>> MAC in general are a pain because of the way they render fonts and have
>> there own style of "classic" fonts like Arial and so on. Issues like that
>> cause problems with padding and spacing, especially if you are looking for a
>> pixel perfect layout.  At least with IE browsers you can use the IF/ELSE
>> technique to include specific CSS files to target specific versions of the
>> browser.
>>
>> There are CSS hacks for everything now, and honestly I don't think you
>> need them as long as you stick to simple standards code.  A lot can be
>> achieved if you do this without having to sacrifice functionality or
>> compatibility for the plethora of browsers available.
>>
>> In the end, every browser, new and old has their quirks and to point the
>> finger and at one browser is unfair if not unjust.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>
>
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: Delivering Mobile Content

[Barry Beattie]

typical.

Pointy-haired types half-hearing of some new technology and saying
"I'll have a bit of that" without working out what they really want to
do.

perhaps another case of a solution looking for a problem to solve?



On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Andrew wrote:
>
> Thanks Guys.
>
> Mark I think you have hit the nail on the head.  I am not sure they
> even know there is a difference, which is why I am also extremely
> vague about what I need to deliver.
>
> I guess I need to put together a report outlining what each entails
> and put it back to the board.
>
> On Jul 14, 3:13 pm, Mark Mandel  wrote:
>> I guess it depends on whether they want:
>>
>> a) A mobile application
>> b) A website that is accessible from a mobile device.
>>
>> Those are two different things, with different requirements.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Barry Beattie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > clean, simple standards-compliant HTML will take you a long way to
>> > having it rendered correctly on a mobile device.
>>
>> > I wouldn't go so far as to specifically target Android, iPhone simply
>> > because you'd be writing so many (and the skills in getting there...)
>> > unless you had a targeted audience you're chasing (I ain't got neither
>> > of 'em)
>>
>> > depends on the app.
>>
>> > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>
>> > > Hi,
>>
>> > > I've currently getting some requests from people too high up to ignore
>> > > to start delivering some of our web content for mobile devices.  To be
>> > > quite honest I am not sure where to start looking with this.
>>
>> > > Does anyone on here have any recommendations?  Most of the stuff would
>> > > be news and sporting fixtures / results, and possibly some video
>> > > content.  There is one also interactive web application (currently
>> > > written in Java & Struts) that would be a candidate for mobile users
>> > > as well.
>>
>> > > I guess initially the "grey area" for me is - do you develop HTML
>> > > content targeted at mobile users, or do you look at apps for specific
>> > > platforms (Android, iPhone, etc...).  The 2nd option just sounds
>> > > extremely unappealing unless I'm missing something...
>>
>> > > I'd be interested in hearing about anyone's prior experiences with
>> > > this?
>>
>> > > Andrew.
>>
>> --
>> E: mark.man...@gmail.com
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[cfaussie] Re: Delivering Mobile Content

[Barry Beattie]

clean, simple standards-compliant HTML will take you a long way to
having it rendered correctly on a mobile device.

I wouldn't go so far as to specifically target Android, iPhone simply
because you'd be writing so many (and the skills in getting there...)
unless you had a targeted audience you're chasing (I ain't got neither
of 'em)

depends on the app.



On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Andrew wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've currently getting some requests from people too high up to ignore
> to start delivering some of our web content for mobile devices.  To be
> quite honest I am not sure where to start looking with this.
>
> Does anyone on here have any recommendations?  Most of the stuff would
> be news and sporting fixtures / results, and possibly some video
> content.  There is one also interactive web application (currently
> written in Java & Struts) that would be a candidate for mobile users
> as well.
>
> I guess initially the "grey area" for me is - do you develop HTML
> content targeted at mobile users, or do you look at apps for specific
> platforms (Android, iPhone, etc...).  The 2nd option just sounds
> extremely unappealing unless I'm missing something...
>
> I'd be interested in hearing about anyone's prior experiences with
> this?
>
> Andrew.
> >
>

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[cfaussie] Re: Virtual ANZ Friday beer o'clock... - Connect room link

[Barry Beattie]

yes. minimum spec is FlashPlayer8

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobatconnectpro/systemreqs/

this is partly because huge ConnectPro organisations who are slow to update
software (eg: U.S military) can still use it (the U.S military also use
ConnectPro on small hand-held devices in the battlefield and their "command
posts of the future"
http://blogs.adobe.com/acrobatconnect/2009/02/connect_pro_in_the_dod.html)





On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Kai Koenig  wrote:

> Browser with a recent Flash Player should be all. If you have 9 or 10
> you're fine, not surewhat the min requirement is - I assume it'd work with
> FP 8 as well.
>
> If one'd be to share content, i.e. screen sharing you'd need the Connect
> Presenter plugin
> but that's a download that will be triggered by the Connect room itself to
> you if it becomes
> necessary.
>
> Cheers
> Kai
>
> Dumb question maybe but do we need any software running on our client
> (other than a browser) to join the room tomorrow?
>
>
>
> _
> Kai Koenig - Ventego Creative Ltd
> ph: +64 4 476 6781 - mob: +64 21 928 365 /  +61 450 132 117
> web: http://www.ventego-creative.co.nz
> blog: http://www.bloginblack.de
>
>
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[cfaussie] Re: Virtual ANZ Friday beer o'clock... - Connect room link

[Barry Beattie]

it almost sounds like the round-the-world CF8 launch back in 2007. Lots of
ppl in Europe/UK inc the "Scotch on the rocks/road" guys.



On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Kai Koenig  wrote:

> Uuuuhh, interesting. I wonder if Charlie might be interested to carry the
> US torch on our Saturday here :)
> Anyone in Asia and Europe interested? :-)
>
> Kai
>
>
> I just had a vision of a 24hr beer o'clock mexican wave, with the baton
> being passed through the timezones.
>
> Blair
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Kai Koenig  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> here's the room link for Friday's virtual beer o'clock.
>>
>> http://connectpro53389065.acrobat.com/beeroclock/
>>
>> I'll open it around 4 pm NZ time, 2 pm East coast, noon  WA :)
>> and when I'm leaving we'll promote a west coastie to meeting host.
>>
>> No particular program, just hanging out, exchanging funny links and
>> maybe we can convince some people to show some cool stuff - but no
>> pressure :)
>>
>> Kai
>>
>>
>>
>> If you work at home it's always beer o'clock :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/23/09, Kai Koenig  wrote:
>>
>> Well, THAT's whar I meant with "no idea how the server and the Connect
>>
>> room will cope" :-)
>>
>>
>> K
>>
>>
>> @kai & @barry
>>
>> were you using it with multiple presenters?
>>
>>
>> That is where I saw it struggling before - but that was years back.
>>
>> Not criticism, just asking
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/6/23 Barry Beattie 
>>
>> agree with Kai
>>
>>
>> I've found the Connect rooms issued to us user group managers on the
>>
>> new(-ish) servers have been working a treat. I was flogging the guts
>>
>> out of mine recently and was happy.
>>
>>
>> sorry ... just very biased towards Connect ... please forgive...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Kai Koenig 
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Kids, do we maybe want to give Connect at least a try :-) ??? I've
>>
>> toyed a bit with the
>>
>> room performance over the weekend and it was surprisingly fine
>>
>> (given where we are
>>
>> located) for a US server.
>>
>>
>> Will post the room URL for Friday tomorrow.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Kai
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> There is also:
>>
>> http://tinychat.com/
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Robin Hilliard >
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> To be fair - I have no idea how the server and the Connect room
>>
>> will cope,
>>
>> but I thought it's worth a try
>>
>>
>> If connect runs into problems and we feel like eating our own
>>
>> cfdogfood we can failover to:
>>
>>
>>  http://www.rocketboots.com/cfjavascript/chat.cfm (room anzbeer)
>>
>>
>> Or feel free to use it as a back channel during the meeting, I'd
>>
>> like to see how it goes under load :-). If you're curious the
>>
>> source code is here:
>>
>>
>> http://svn.rocketboots.com/os/cfjavascript/tags/webdu2009/chat.cfm
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>  ROBIN HILLIARD
>>
>> Chief Executive Officer
>>
>> ro...@rocketboots.com.au
>>
>>
>> RocketBoots Pty Ltd
>>
>> Level 11
>>
>> 189 Kent Street
>>
>> Sydney NSW 2001
>>
>> Australia
>>
>> Phone +61 2 9323 2507
>>
>> Facsimile +61 2 9323 2501
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> blog: http://www.bloginblack.de
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> AJ Mercer
>>
>> Web Log: http://webonix.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>> blog: http://www.bloginblack.de
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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[cfaussie] Re: Virtual ANZ Friday beer o'clock...

[Barry Beattie]

agree with Kai

I've found the Connect rooms issued to us user group managers on the
new(-ish) servers have been working a treat. I was flogging the guts out of
mine recently and was happy.

sorry ... just very biased towards Connect ... please forgive...



On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Kai Koenig  wrote:

> Kids, do we maybe want to give Connect at least a try :-) ??? I've toyed a
> bit with the room performance over the weekend and it was surprisingly
> fine (given where we are
> located) for a US server.
>
> Will post the room URL for Friday tomorrow.
>
> Cheers
> Kai
>
>
>
> There is also:
> http://tinychat.com/
>
> Mark
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Robin Hilliard 
> wrote:
>
>> To be fair - I have no idea how the server and the Connect room will
>> cope,
>> but I thought it's worth a try
>>
>>
>> If connect runs into problems and we feel like eating our own cfdogfood we
>> can failover to:
>> http://www.rocketboots.com/cfjavascript/chat.cfm (room anzbeer)
>>
>> Or
>> feel free to use it as a back channel during the meeting, I'd like to see 
>> how it goes under load :-).
>> If you're curious the source code is here:
>>
>> http://svn.rocketboots.com/os/cfjavascript/tags/webdu2009/chat.cfm
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Robin
>>  *ROBIN HILLIARD*
>> *Chief Executive Officer*
>> ro...@rocketboots.com.au
>>
>> RocketBoots Pty Ltd
>> Level 11
>> 189 Kent Street
>> Sydney NSW 2001
>> Australia
>> *Phone* +61 2 9323 2507
>> *Facsimile* +61 2 9323 2501
>> *Mobile* +61 418 414 341
>> www.rocketboots.com.au
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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[cfaussie] Re: What does {} do?

[Barry Beattie]

the new (and much neater, IMHO) way of declaring a struct, as of CF8


"can anyone recommend an alternative for those of us still stuck in the
past?"




no prizes to guess what this is:





On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Andrew Myers  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've seen a few components with code like this in it:
>
> 
> 
>
> It seems the CF7 doesn't like the "{}" syntax.  What does the {} actually
> do, and can anyone recommend an alternative for those of us still stuck in
> the past? ;-)
>
> Andrew.
>
>
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[cfaussie] Re: OT : Flex Usergroup

[Barry Beattie]

> Pretty sure Dale is actually talking about the Melbourne Flex user group not
> the mailing list.
>
> http://www.ozfx.org/

fair enough, but I hope the comments about co-opting an Adobe employee
into it is understood although  it's a Melbourneites call so I'll shut
up now.

It's a pity the user group folded before the idea to have co-managers
started. It's to try and avoid exactly that - someone to carry it on.

but hey, the user group manager is just one person. If people don't
want it, then perhaps it wasn't meant to be?

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[cfaussie] Re: OT : Flex Usergroup

[Barry Beattie]

> The group died.

you're looking at the wrong group. The one Bjorn.S started is a Yahoo group.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexaussie/

> Really Andrew Spaulding should be running it

with respect, Dale, I strongly disagree. @spaulds does enough for the
community. He's a paid employee of Adobe to be developer relations -
the meat in the sandwich between AdobeAU and developers having trouble
with projects or need support. While that sounds like community stuff,
it's much more than that. He's got a day gig, he's got a life, he
volunteers left, right and centre. I think it's unfair to load him
down with stuff that, frankly, the community should own and control.

in the end if people want a service like flexaussie, then they have to
do their bit. Use it or lose it, people. Flexaussie had great
potential as an alternative to the far-too-busy FlexCoders list, but I
don't think many people realised that. OK, so the Flex talent in Au/NZ
is not big in numbers, but it's still early days in the big scheme of
things. and if no one bothers it's not going to get anywhere.

the last point is regarding independence. If the community continually
goes around asking Adobe to hold their hand then we lose the right to
have a voice. In the area of user groups, other platforms micro-manage
their groups and tightly control them. The Adobe groups I belong to
have no problem saying if something Adobe has done is a bad idea, or a
product is rubbish - in fact our members expect that sort of cutting
through the BS.

As I said, use it or lose it, people.

meh my 2c

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[cfaussie] Re: inserting values into sql table form excel file data source

[Barry Beattie]

> Has anyone experienced this problem before when reading from excel data
> files and what can I do to overcome the above so that the values with
> characters as the first or last character as outlined above can be inserted
> correctly into the table

whenever I've hit problems like this, it's usually a once-off
converting a spreadsheet into an app. Once imported the spreadsheet is
decommissoned. Is that your case?

I used to cheat however: I used MSAccess as the intermeditary step
since it has an excellent data mapping wizard to help with imports
from Excel. Sometimes it's been so bad I've had to actually export
Excel to CSV and then use fixed column widths for one or more columns
going into MSAccess.

>From MSAccess it's then exported to other "real" databases.

Thankfully I've never needed ongoing data imports from Excel when it's
had issues like this so I've never actually worked out why it happens.
It's a datatype mismatch so perhaps trying other Excel cell formatting
types or db column types might help. I am surprised you get blanks
though, instead of it throwing errors and aborting the import.

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[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 9 and FLEX 4 tour

[Barry Beattie]

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:36 PM, KKC  wrote:
>
> The Joys of web 2.0 :)

not quite. when Web 2.0 meets the marketing department with their
customer relationship management systems.

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[cfaussie] Re: Security Of Customer Bank Account Details

[Barry Beattie]

> Clients subscribe to the service which is hosted externally.

> The smaller clients would not be able to justify purchasing a copy of cf8 to
> run in house with only 3-4 users, hence the need to provide the application
> hosted externally

from the sounds of it, you're going to have to do something like a
co-lo hosting or something with integrity that you can offer
guarantees of the security of the data.

the idea of shared hosting with the hoi polloi is shot down in flames
(IMHO). What's left for the small customers? you offer your software
as a service, and *you* provide guarantees to those customers that
neither you nor your employees will hack or steal the data. You're
going to be sued if something goes wrong anyway (you set up the shared
hosting, it's your app) so what would you rather do - control the
hosting as much as possible and charge a bit more for the service? or
fly three sheets into the wind and hang the consequences?

It's obvious that property management businesses, like many others,
are out of their depth when it comes to these issues. They may know
their business but you're going to have to educate them on IT
security: it's your butt in the sling if something goes wrong.

What's your SLA (that you're offering to them) look like regarding
uptime and data security and data integrity?


> Some of the larger clients would be able to host the application on their
> own servers given their IT infrastructure,

so they should. They can trust themselves, yes?

> however this opens a new set of
> concerns that being protecting the ip of the code to prevent the larger
> clients choose to copy / use the code and develop their own applications in
> house.

true, but nothing that's not unsolvable. there's been heaps of
discussion on protecting code in the cfaussie archives.

someone should do a CFUG meeting on legal responsibilities when
writing apps for customers.

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[cfaussie] Re: CFMAIL headers

[Barry Beattie]

hmmm... lemme think about it for a bit.. and confer with some mail
savvy sysadmins I know...

just as a non-critical side issue, maybe X-Date should really be a
date/time value (ie timestamp eg: #now()#)?


On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Steve Onnis  wrote:
>
> Barry
>
> For example, this is the header part of a .cfmail file
>
> /
>
> type:  text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> server:  MAILSERVER:25
> from:  st...@somedomain.com
> to:  st...@someotherdomain.com
> subject:  this is a mail file
> X-Mailer:  ColdFusion 8 Application Server
>
> /
>
>
> What I am wanting to do, as a default thing for ALL mail generated by CFMAIL
> for any domain or application WITHOUT having to use CFMAILPARAM is to add
> another entry into the mail file like...
>
> /
>
> type:  text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> server:  MAILSERVER:25
> from:  st...@somedomain.com
> to:  st...@someotherdomain.com
> subject:  this is a mail file
> X-Mailer:  ColdFusion 8 Application Server
> X-Date:  2009-12-12
>
> /
>
> Currently there is no way of getting the dateCreated value for a file, only
> lastModified and I want to know the original datetime the mail item was
> created.  I am creating a little app to process mail that is being pushed
> into the undelivered folder for coldfusion server which is why I want to
> look at doing this.  If it is possible, it would be handy to add other
> properties also such as the domain name used when the cfmail tag was called
> so I can track down the original creator of emails.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Of Barry Beattie
> Sent: Saturday, 23 May 2009 5:49 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFMAIL headers
>
>
> Steve, just curious and interested to see this thread kicked along...
>
> ... is something like the X-DATE you want to do covered in any RFC's
> on email? eg: RFC 5321 or perhaps part of the extended SMTP additions?
> just hoping there might be a spec that covered it and - perhaps by
> miracle - painlessly supported by ?
>
> just thinking out loud...
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Steve Onnis 
> wrote:
>> Does anyone know if it is possible to add additional headers into the
> CFMAIL
>> process other than individually setting them for each  call?
>> Currently there is an X-MAILER property there, i would like to add a
> X-DATE
>> or something named similar so i can read when the mail item was created as
> i
>> dont want to have to do a CFDIRECTORY just to get the created time
>> stamp...unless there is a better way??
>>
>> Steve
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: CFMAIL headers

[Barry Beattie]

Steve, just curious and interested to see this thread kicked along...

... is something like the X-DATE you want to do covered in any RFC's
on email? eg: RFC 5321 or perhaps part of the extended SMTP additions?
just hoping there might be a spec that covered it and - perhaps by
miracle - painlessly supported by ?

just thinking out loud...




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> process other than individually setting them for each  call?
> Currently there is an X-MAILER property there, i would like to add a X-DATE
> or something named similar so i can read when the mail item was created as i
> dont want to have to do a CFDIRECTORY just to get the created time
> stamp...unless there is a better way??
>
> Steve
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: OT : Flex

[Barry Beattie]

and on that point

don't forget about the Brisbane FlashPlatform (Flex) user group

them and may more at

http://www.baug.com.au/




On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Kai Koenig  wrote:
> There's also a flexaussie list - but not much traffic on it.
> If you want something in our area/timezones you're welcome to join NZ FXUG:
> http://groups.google.com/group/nzfxug .
> Cheers
> Kai
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> I think that Flex is probably an appropriate conversation to have on this
> list as Flex data services have been a part of ColdFusion for a long time
> now.  Besides all the Flex gurus are pretty much on the list.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rae
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[cfaussie] Re: OT : Flex

[Barry Beattie]

@Brian

mate, lean on these guys http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexaussie/

started up by Bjorn.S in Melbourne, lots of Aussies on board,

sure Flexcoders has lots of traffic, sometimes too much...

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[cfaussie] Re: My charts dont come out

[Barry Beattie]

just curious

isn't there another way? something that doesn't involve /CFIDE (even
if it's an internal call, not public)?



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> you just need to map /CFIDE for that site
>
> z
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Mark Ireland  wrote:
>> My charts dont come out because:
>>
>> https://mysite.com.au/CFIDE/GraphData.cfm?graphCache=wc50&graphID=Images/175606971012.PNG
>>
>> doesnt resolve.
>>
>> Is the a way I can change this url? I mean is it a setting somewhere?
>>
>> https://mysubdomain.mysite.com.au might work.
>>
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[cfaussie] Re: Can CF8 make "SOAP with attachments" calls

[Barry Beattie]

IIRC this could be one of the areas Kai Koenig is touching on at WebDU this year

http://www.webdu.com.au/session/web-services-revisited

darn, where's Kai when you need him? Oh, yeah, that's right. At the
FlashPlatform user group meeting in Brisbane tonight...

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[cfaussie] Re: Dates / Times

[Barry Beattie]

a couple of quick points:

1) what you "see" is a string representation of a date or time. If
it's a true dateTime object, the underlying value is a decimal
(starting from the Epoch time? can't remember)

2) if you're after a formatting function in CF to convert this decimal
to a string that represents a time value, timeformat() may be of
assistance there

TimeFormat(time [, mask ])

http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentation&file=0651.htm

3) IIRC, in many cases underlying dateTime objects, while you may be
interested in only the time  value, also have a date aspect to them.
It could be something like Jan 1 year 100 (again, memory fails me
exactly)

gota go. good luck
barry.b






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> Hi,
>
> I've got an excel spreadsheet which I am parsing with cfHSSF (http://
> cfhssf.riaforge.org/)
>
> In it are a few time fields (elapsed times, like 2 mins, 50 seconds)
> which are returned as something like this: 0.00208101851852
>
> Is there an easy way to convert that to minutes and seconds in CF?  In
> Java I can use POI to return it as a date, and then format it like
> this:
>
> DateFormat df = new SimpleDateFormat("m:ss.S");
> System.out.println(df.format(cell.getDateCellValue()));
>
> Does CF have a simple way of converting the float value to a date?  I
> have seen an IsNumericDate function, which returns true for this
> value, but I can't see a method which allows you to create a date from
> a float.  Am I missing something?
>
> I guess I could just do it in Java if all else fails, but I was hoping
> to keep it all in CF if possible.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew.
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: number formatting

[Barry Beattie]

Drew

by the look of it, those 8 digit numbers are getting converted to
scientific notation

18653887 = 1.8653887E7 = 1.8653887 times 10 to the 7th power

but that should still be less than the underlying integer datatype:
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/java/nutsandbolts/datatypes.html

this seems to work OK (but on CF8)

nums = structNew();
nums.a = 18653887;
nums.b = 17664644;
nums.c = 20511233;
nums.d = 20511260;
nums.e = 20511240;
nums.f = 20353626;
nums.g = 20511210;
nums.h = 20511251;


nums.#key# = #nums[key]#



which prompts me to ask if it might be a database problem somehow

if you're still stuck the only thing I can think of is explicitly
convert those values to strings (eg a cast or convert to string in the
SQL). But that's no fun if you're actually using the values for
calculations.

if you do solve this, do say how. I love a good mystery but hate an
unsolved one...

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[cfaussie] Re: cold fusion developer looking for a job

[Barry Beattie]

> I personally think that both lists are too small to be separate, cfaussie
> hardly gets any traffic, and cfjobs is almost silent.

Historically that wasn't always the case (if you remember). Back when
CF6 was released it was hot property, with the likes of even overseas
ppl like Sean Corfield actively on CFaussie.

(I suspect that the difference is now-a-days, CFC's are no longer new
and a lot of subsequent questions and problems have been solved).

for cfjobs, I suspect Seek.com have had some influence there (although
it seems to be word of mouth - I've been scouring seek on a daily
basis).

> It is also not really clear that cfjobs is for aussie jobs, thus someone
> posting to cfaussie might think it is appropriate if they are looking in oz.

agreed. it's a branding thing. But even then ppl put jobs up and
forget to put location. Most are for Sydney so it's a bit
heartbreaking/annoying when you live elsewhere and find the location
out later...

> So I don't begrudge a person for posting to cfaussie, perhaps we could
> consider relaxing these rules.

Geoff Bowers call, methinks. I'd suggest once not reminding ppl that
CFjobs exists it'll just gather dust. And when list traffic picks up
again, re-enforcing the rules.

just my 2c

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[cfaussie] Re: FYI: Breezo "Application Security: Beyond SQL Injection", with Jason Dean

[Barry Beattie]

for those that missed it

https://admin.na3.acrobat.com/_a204547676/p87014288/

and I'm sure Charlie will post it up to his "UserGroup TV"
presentation recording listings in due course:
http://www.carehart.org/ugtv/

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[cfaussie] FYI: Breezo "Application Security: Beyond SQL Injection", with Jason Dean

[Barry Beattie]

I'm FYI'ing this because

 - Charlie Arehart's Online CF group may not be common knowledge to ANZ folk
 - the meeting will be held in an ANZ-friendly time (Fri 9:00am
Bris/10:00am Syd)
 - if I have to fix (yet again) someone's code because they've
forgotten (or ignorant of) some of the issues raised in this presso,
I'm gonna friggin' scream!

more info:
http://www.meetup.com/coldfusionmeetup/calendar/9558430/?a=nr1p_grp

when it will be held:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2009&month=01&day=22&hour=18&min=00&sec=0&p1=25

just an FYI...

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