don't forget that Microsoft actively woo University tutors, young instructors and students with various programs. The relationship between the teaching staff at Q.U.T and Microsoft is a bit too close for my liking as far as probity, but I've lost my links to demonstrate this, and it might be old outdated news. It's been a few years since I worked there.
but I mean, how can Adobe do anything with the likes of this? Especially since it's a good relationship/deal for students. http://www.mquter.qut.edu.au/ http://www.itnews.com.au/News/103828,microsoft-giving-away-dev-tools-to-uni-students-for-free.aspx https://student-partners.com/default.aspx barry.b On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Andrew Myers <am2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Would have been a lively meeting i'm sure :) > > Not saying it applies in this case, I think there is a belief that if > developers for a particular technology are scarce they cost more, if they're > plentiful they cost less (in theory). .NET has appealed to some I've worked > for because they can always tells us they are one day going to send all our > work offshore. > > I don't necessarily subscribe to this point of view myself but I think it's > how > > On 27/05/2010, at 10:38 PM, "Dale Fraser" <d...@fraser.id.au> wrote: > >> Interestingly enough we had the man himself that made this decision at the >> Melbourne ColdFusion User Group tonight. >> >> And he has valid reasons for moving on, the main one being that they >> already >> have a lot of .NET developers and have had trouble recruiting CF >> developers >> so made the decision to just have a single technology. >> >> I think this isn't such a bad decision, in that business. >> >> Regards >> Dale Fraser >> >> http://dale.fraser.id.au >> http://cfmldocs.com >> http://learncf.com >> http://flexcf.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Barry Beattie >> Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 9:52 PM >> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet >> >>> TAFEs have a different problem. Teaching specific technologies is part of >> >> their brief. There is some limited curriculum material available (based on >> the commercial courses) for vocational colleges to teach using the Adobe >> products, but what TAFEs need are teachers with the skills to teach these >> languages. >> >> me me me. That's how I was brought, kicking and screaming, to CF - I >> had to teach it. I've been looking, Robin, but no TAFE's are looking >> for experienced and qualified CF teachers in my city. You hear of one? >> let me know, OK? >> >> >>> Adobe can't magic these people into being - they have to come from the >> >> community. If you're a contractor or a full timer looking to moonlight as >> an evening instructor, have you considered approaching your local TAFE or >> community college and offering to run a web development course? Emma >> Jones >> (nee Steer, some of you may remember her as the Canberra Macromedia UG >> manager for several years) has been having some success with Flash and the >> local TAFEs around Wangaratta. Maybe someone with some pedagogical bent >> could start a wiki for lesson plans and extra course material and ideas >> for >> people who wanted to get into this. >> >> >> I would have thought that a barometer to do that would be the strength >> of short courses delivering this. >> >> Brisbane North TAFE (my employer until earlier this year) has sewn up >> the TAFE short course scene with their Adult Community Education >> courses (over a weekend or so). But to be honest, they get more go >> from lead-lighting and wine appreciation than computer languages. It's >> a Micky-Mouse operation and practically anyone can offer something to >> them. If they reckon their cut is worthwhile, they might listen. >> >> The only other way courses could be delivered out of the TAFE system >> is either accredited (you get a qualification - CertIII,Cert IV, Dip) >> and CF would be one platform to learn on >> >> or non-accredited specialist short courses. >> >> Both delivered out of faculty, not third-party (you have teachers with >> tenure to consider here). FYI Brisbane Nth (Ithaca campus) has IMHO >> the best reputation for IT for all the Brisbane TAFE's. >> >> I've designed courses while at QANTM up to Diploma level (it's not >> hard if you know what you're doing) that incorporated CF. >> >> There is a real need to do pre-testing before admittance - an aptitude >> test. At QANTM any Diploma course, the hard break-even (class >> size/enrollments) was 12. 15 was a soft break-even that got you some >> cred to get resources. Class sizes of 20 or more guaranteed it would >> run next year. Two or more classes of 20 means they would look at a >> mid-year intake as well. I was never able to get those numbers so the >> course couldn't fly (and that was with 3 languages - CF, PHP and >> ASP.NET/C# - on two platforms - Linux and Win - with a decent section >> on Flash/Flex apps and a bit on video streaming). >> >> >> Half a dozen people sitting in a 3 day short-course delivered by a >> private training provider is as much as you can expect, methinks. You >> certainly couldn't do that every week for the instructor to pay their >> mortgage... >> >> my opinion only. No cents offered here. 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