subject:"\[cfaussie\] Re\: WebDU 2007"


My rant for the day,

Shouldn't this conference be moving around? There is a large user base in
both Victoria & Queensland.

Why is it in Sydney again?

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au


 

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Of Geoff Bowers
Sent: Monday, 9 October 2006 10:52 AM
To: cfaussie
Subject: [cfaussie] webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney


webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney
==

Dates & Call for Papers
--
The dates and venue for webDU 2007 [1] released.

 * 22-23 March 2007 (THU-FRI)
 * The Hilton, Sydney Australia
 * Plus a workshop day, 21 March 2007 (WED)

Also we've opened the "Call For Papers" [2]; veterans and budding
presenters alike, please send in your submissions.

[1]: http://www.webdu.com.au/
[2]: http://www.webdu.com.au/go/call-for-papers

webDU Announcements
--
There's a new announcements only mailing list [3] -- no discussions.
As a consequence it's really very low volume; less than a post a week
on average.  And you'll only see posts from me keeping you up to date
on the latest changes to the conference agenda and activities
surrounding the conference.

[3]: http://groups.google.com/group/webdu-ann/about

That's all for now!

Geoff Bowers
Conference Manager
webDU Conference Team
http://www.webdu.com.au/





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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-10 Thread Mark Mandel


Cause Daemon is in Sydney...

(Hey.. if I was organising a conference, I'd want it in my backyard too)

Mark

On 10/11/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My rant for the day,
>
> Shouldn't this conference be moving around? There is a large user base in
> both Victoria & Queensland.
>
> Why is it in Sydney again?
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney


That's a lame reason.

Adobe aren't in Vegas.

If they want this thing to grow and be successful, it needs to travel
around. If it was in Melbourne I'd send my whole team, I can't do that to
Sydney.

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au


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Of Mark Mandel
Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:30 PM
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney


Cause Daemon is in Sydney...

(Hey.. if I was organising a conference, I'd want it in my backyard too)

Mark

On 10/11/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My rant for the day,
>
> Shouldn't this conference be moving around? There is a large user base in
> both Victoria & Queensland.
>
> Why is it in Sydney again?
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-10 Thread Barry Beattie


Sydney is the reason why Queenlanders live in Queenland... and why
people move here  1500 new people a week, I've been told.

besides, for us Queenlanders it gives us a chance to get away from our
wives (partners).

so, for non-sydney residents, all I can say is "Virgin Blue" "Early
Bird Specials"



On 10/11/06, Mark Mandel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Cause Daemon is in Sydney...
>
> (Hey.. if I was organising a conference, I'd want it in my backyard too)
>
> Mark
>
> On 10/11/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > My rant for the day,
> >
> > Shouldn't this conference be moving around? There is a large user base in
> > both Victoria & Queensland.
> >
> > Why is it in Sydney again?
> >
> > Regards
> > Dale Fraser
> >
> > http://dale.fraser.id.au
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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-10 Thread Joel Cass

WebDU looked pretty successful last year (?) ...

I'm not really sure why everyone likes to hold big events in Sydney.. Though
off the top of my head.

the weather - which has been great lately
the size - lots of places to do, things to go etc
the location - central to the east coast cities
the work involved - as someone said before..

Adobe's Australian office is in Sydney..

Sounds like reason enough to me.

Joel

Who thinks CF should be open source and Adobe should stay as a publishing
company

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Behalf Of Dale Fraser
Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 1:08 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

That's a lame reason.

Adobe aren't in Vegas.

If they want this thing to grow and be successful, it needs to travel
around. If it was in Melbourne I'd send my whole team, I can't do that to
Sydney.

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Mark Mandel
Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:30 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

Cause Daemon is in Sydney...

(Hey.. if I was organising a conference, I'd want it in my backyard too)

Mark

On 10/11/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My rant for the day,
>
> Shouldn't this conference be moving around? There is a large user base in
> both Victoria & Queensland.
>
> Why is it in Sydney again?
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-10 Thread Robin Hilliard


You know it's Daemon's conference?  Sure Adobe and others (Microsoft,  
Straker, Gruden, Nectarine, RocketBoots etc) sponsor the conference  
but at the end of the day it's something Geoff at Daemon decided to  
start up off his own bat.

Robin

__

Robin Hilliard

On 11/10/2006, at 1:08 PM, Dale Fraser wrote:

>
> That's a lame reason.
>
> Adobe aren't in Vegas.
>
> If they want this thing to grow and be successful, it needs to travel
> around. If it was in Melbourne I'd send my whole team, I can't do  
> that to
> Sydney.
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> On Behalf
> Of Mark Mandel
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:30 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney
>
>
> Cause Daemon is in Sydney...
>
> (Hey.. if I was organising a conference, I'd want it in my backyard  
> too)
>
> Mark
>
> On 10/11/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> My rant for the day,
>>
>> Shouldn't this conference be moving around? There is a large user  
>> base in
>> both Victoria & Queensland.
>>
>> Why is it in Sydney again?
>>
>> Regards
>> Dale Fraser
>>
>> http://dale.fraser.id.au
> -- 
> E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> W: www.compoundtheory.com
>
>
>
>
> 

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-10 Thread Bjorn Schultheiss

My vote is for Queensland,

Sun, babes, oh yeah and that conference :)

Regards,

Bjorn Schultheiss

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Joel Cass
Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 1:51 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

WebDU looked pretty successful last year (?) ...

I'm not really sure why everyone likes to hold big events in Sydney.. Though
off the top of my head.

the weather - which has been great lately the size - lots of places to do,
things to go etc the location - central to the east coast cities the work
involved - as someone said before..

Adobe's Australian office is in Sydney..

Sounds like reason enough to me.

Joel

Who thinks CF should be open source and Adobe should stay as a publishing
company

-Original Message-
From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Dale Fraser
Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 1:08 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

That's a lame reason.

Adobe aren't in Vegas.

If they want this thing to grow and be successful, it needs to travel
around. If it was in Melbourne I'd send my whole team, I can't do that to
Sydney.

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Mark Mandel
Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:30 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

Cause Daemon is in Sydney...

(Hey.. if I was organising a conference, I'd want it in my backyard too)

Mark

On 10/11/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My rant for the day,
>
> Shouldn't this conference be moving around? There is a large user base 
> in both Victoria & Queensland.
>
> Why is it in Sydney again?
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-10 Thread Barry Beattie


> but at the end of the day it's something Geoff at Daemon decided to
> start up off his own bat.

and even those that have to travel, are glad he did.

I really doubt that bringing the thing to, say, Brisbane would
actually work - financially and enough people to create a "vibe". As
it is, a fair percentage of the usergroup here goes anyway. A couple
of hundred Sydney-siders that go each year just can't be duplicated in
Bris, no matter how much we might try.

I couldn't speak for Melb, but I'd suggest the situation might have
some similarities.

I feel for our NZ comrades**. Three kiwi companies (that I know of)
show great committment every year and send people. Brisbane (and
Melbourne) are a lot closer than that!

just my 2c
barry.b

** oh, and of course, the sand-gropers and crow-eaters from other
than the eastern sea-board. or aren't they part of Australia too?


On 10/11/06, Robin Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You know it's Daemon's conference?  Sure Adobe and others (Microsoft,
> Straker, Gruden, Nectarine, RocketBoots etc) sponsor the conference
> but at the end of the day it's something Geoff at Daemon decided to
> start up off his own bat.
>
> Robin
>
> __
>
> Robin Hilliard
>
> On 11/10/2006, at 1:08 PM, Dale Fraser wrote:
>
> >
> > That's a lame reason.
> >
> > Adobe aren't in Vegas.
> >
> > If they want this thing to grow and be successful, it needs to travel
> > around. If it was in Melbourne I'd send my whole team, I can't do
> > that to
> > Sydney.
> >
> > Regards
> > Dale Fraser
> >
> > http://dale.fraser.id.au
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf
> > Of Mark Mandel
> > Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:30 PM
> > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney
> >
> >
> > Cause Daemon is in Sydney...
> >
> > (Hey.. if I was organising a conference, I'd want it in my backyard
> > too)
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On 10/11/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> My rant for the day,
> >>
> >> Shouldn't this conference be moving around? There is a large user
> >> base in
> >> both Victoria & Queensland.
> >>
> >> Why is it in Sydney again?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Dale Fraser
> >>
> >> http://dale.fraser.id.au
> > --
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> > W: www.compoundtheory.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney


Robin,

I realise that this is an event that is held by a commercial company that
make money from it.

I think however that long term all tech conferences that last the test of
time travel around. People attend every couple of years when it's convenient
and that means sometimes due to financial considerations, when it's local.

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Robin Hilliard
Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 14:39 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney


You know it's Daemon's conference?  Sure Adobe and others (Microsoft,  
Straker, Gruden, Nectarine, RocketBoots etc) sponsor the conference  
but at the end of the day it's something Geoff at Daemon decided to  
start up off his own bat.

Robin

__

Robin Hilliard

On 11/10/2006, at 1:08 PM, Dale Fraser wrote:

>
> That's a lame reason.
>
> Adobe aren't in Vegas.
>
> If they want this thing to grow and be successful, it needs to travel
> around. If it was in Melbourne I'd send my whole team, I can't do  
> that to
> Sydney.
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> On Behalf
> Of Mark Mandel
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:30 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney
>
>
> Cause Daemon is in Sydney...
>
> (Hey.. if I was organising a conference, I'd want it in my backyard  
> too)
>
> Mark
>
> On 10/11/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> My rant for the day,
>>
>> Shouldn't this conference be moving around? There is a large user  
>> base in
>> both Victoria & Queensland.
>>
>> Why is it in Sydney again?
>>
>> Regards
>> Dale Fraser
>>
>> http://dale.fraser.id.au
> -- 
> E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> W: www.compoundtheory.com
>
>
>
>
> 




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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-10 Thread Barry Beattie


> I realise that this is an event that is held by a commercial company that
> make money from it.

I'd be surprised if there's any $$$ profit from WebDU. the size it is,
breaking even is a best hope...

Dale, I'd agree with you if it there were (many) more people in AUS
that would go, but this is a niche market. we're lucky to have it at
all.



On 10/11/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Robin,
>
> I realise that this is an event that is held by a commercial company that
> make money from it.
>
> I think however that long term all tech conferences that last the test of
> time travel around. People attend every couple of years when it's convenient
> and that means sometimes due to financial considerations, when it's local.
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Robin Hilliard
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 14:39 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney
>
>
> You know it's Daemon's conference?  Sure Adobe and others (Microsoft,
> Straker, Gruden, Nectarine, RocketBoots etc) sponsor the conference
> but at the end of the day it's something Geoff at Daemon decided to
> start up off his own bat.
>
> Robin
>
> __
>
> Robin Hilliard
>
> On 11/10/2006, at 1:08 PM, Dale Fraser wrote:
>
> >
> > That's a lame reason.
> >
> > Adobe aren't in Vegas.
> >
> > If they want this thing to grow and be successful, it needs to travel
> > around. If it was in Melbourne I'd send my whole team, I can't do
> > that to
> > Sydney.
> >
> > Regards
> > Dale Fraser
> >
> > http://dale.fraser.id.au
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf
> > Of Mark Mandel
> > Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:30 PM
> > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney
> >
> >
> > Cause Daemon is in Sydney...
> >
> > (Hey.. if I was organising a conference, I'd want it in my backyard
> > too)
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On 10/11/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> My rant for the day,
> >>
> >> Shouldn't this conference be moving around? There is a large user
> >> base in
> >> both Victoria & Queensland.
> >>
> >> Why is it in Sydney again?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Dale Fraser
> >>
> >> http://dale.fraser.id.au
> > --
> > E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > W: www.compoundtheory.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-10 Thread Darren Tracey


I'm possible the biggest proponent of CF in Queensland, and I'm more
than happy for WebDU to be in Sydney.
Its run by Daemon, and to my knowledge is _NOT_ run to make money, but
to build community. THIS community.
It takes a huge amount of effort and planning each year, and I would
think it would be an even bigger effort if it had to be organised by
Geoff and the other Daemonites in a city other than Sydney.
If it were run by Adobe, then yes, it should move around, just like the
other big conferences run by their parent companies (TechEd, Max, etc),
but its run by a Sydney company, for _our_ benefit, so anything we can
do to make it easier for them to organise it, is a good thing for us.
Sydney is the most central place for the eastern coast of Australia,
and as Barry said, if you book your tickets through Virgin Blue in the
next couple of months, then its really not that expensive.

You could always start up your own conference in the city of your
choice!

Darren Tracey


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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-10 Thread Andrew Muller

DaleI'm under the impression that MXDU/WebDU is not run for profit.AndrewOn 11/10/06, Dale Fraser <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Robin,I realise that this is an event that is held by a commercial company that
make money from it.I think however that long term all tech conferences that last the test oftime travel around. People attend every couple of years when it's convenientand that means sometimes due to financial considerations, when it's local.
RegardsDale Fraserhttp://dale.fraser.id.au-Original Message-From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:
cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On BehalfOf Robin HilliardSent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 14:39 PMTo: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton SydneyYou know it's Daemon's conference?  Sure Adobe and others (Microsoft,Straker, Gruden, Nectarine, RocketBoots etc) sponsor the conference
but at the end of the day it's something Geoff at Daemon decided tostart up off his own bat.Robin__Robin HilliardOn 11/10/2006, at 1:08 PM, Dale Fraser wrote:>
> That's a lame reason.>> Adobe aren't in Vegas.>> If they want this thing to grow and be successful, it needs to travel> around. If it was in Melbourne I'd send my whole team, I can't do
> that to> Sydney.>> Regards> Dale Fraser>> http://dale.fraser.id.au>>> -Original Message-> From: 
cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com]> On Behalf> Of Mark Mandel> Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:30 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney>>> Cause Daemon is in Sydney...>
> (Hey.. if I was organising a conference, I'd want it in my backyard> too)>> Mark>> On 10/11/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> My rant for the day,>>>> Shouldn't this conference be moving around? There is a large user>> base in>> both Victoria & Queensland.>>>> Why is it in Sydney again?
>>>> Regards>> Dale Fraser>>>> http://dale.fraser.id.au> --> E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> W: www.compoundtheory.com>>>>>-- ---Andrew Mullerhttp://www.webqem.com

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

Right,

A big event run by a commercial company, not for
profit?

Sounds like a load of crap. Just because it doesn’t
make a profit isn’t the same as it being NFP.

I don’t see any references anywhere on the
site to it being NFP which is normally splashed everywhere when it is.

One quote from the website “Our plan is to profit share with the speaker”.

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au

From:
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Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006
16:03 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU
2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

Dale

I'm under the impression that MXDU/WebDU is not run for profit.

Andrew

On 11/10/06, Dale Fraser < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Robin,

I realise that this is an event that is held by a commercial company that 
make money from it.

I think however that long term all tech conferences that last the test of
time travel around. People attend every couple of years when it's convenient
and that means sometimes due to financial considerations, when it's local. 

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au

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Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 14:39 PM
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

You know it's Daemon's conference?  Sure Adobe and others (Microsoft,
Straker, Gruden, Nectarine, RocketBoots etc) sponsor the conference 
but at the end of the day it's something Geoff at Daemon decided to
start up off his own bat.

Robin

__

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On 11/10/2006, at 1:08 PM, Dale Fraser
wrote:

> 
> That's a lame reason.
>
> Adobe aren't in Vegas.
>
> If they want this thing to grow and be successful, it needs to travel
> around. If it was in Melbourne
I'd send my whole team, I can't do 
> that to
> Sydney.
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
[mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf
> Of Mark Mandel
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:30 PM 
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney
>
>
> Cause Daemon is in Sydney...
> 
> (Hey.. if I was organising a conference, I'd want it in my backyard
> too)
>
> Mark
>
> On 10/11/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>>
>> My rant for the day,
>>
>> Shouldn't this conference be moving around? There is a large user
>> base in
>> both Victoria & Queensland.
>>
>> Why is it in Sydney
again? 
>>
>> Regards
>> Dale Fraser
>>
>> http://dale.fraser.id.au
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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-11 Thread Andrew Muller

Perhaps it's a turn of phrase, I'm simply repeating what Darren and Barry have said.On 11/10/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

Right,

A big event run by a commercial company, not for
profit?

Sounds like a load of crap. Just because it doesn't
make a profit isn't the same as it being NFP.

I don't see any references anywhere on the
site to it being NFP which is normally splashed everywhere when it is.

One quote from the website "Our plan is to profit share with the speaker".

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au

From:

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cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Muller
Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006
16:03 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU
2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

Dale

I'm under the impression that MXDU/WebDU is not run for profit.

Andrew

On 11/10/06, Dale Fraser <
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Robin,

I realise that this is an event that is held by a commercial company that 
make money from it.

I think however that long term all tech conferences that last the test of
time travel around. People attend every couple of years when it's convenient
and that means sometimes due to financial considerations, when it's local. 

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
[mailto: cfaussie@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf
Of Robin Hilliard
Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 14:39 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

You know it's Daemon's conference?  Sure Adobe and others (Microsoft,
Straker, Gruden, Nectarine, RocketBoots etc) sponsor the conference 
but at the end of the day it's something Geoff at Daemon decided to
start up off his own bat.

Robin

__

Robin Hilliard

On 11/10/2006, at 1:08 PM, Dale Fraser
wrote:

> 
> That's a lame reason.
>
> Adobe aren't in Vegas.
>
> If they want this thing to grow and be successful, it needs to travel
> around. If it was in Melbourne
I'd send my whole team, I can't do 
> that to
> Sydney.
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
[mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf
> Of Mark Mandel
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:30 PM 
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney
>
>
> Cause Daemon is in Sydney...
> 
> (Hey.. if I was organising a conference, I'd want it in my backyard
> too)
>
> Mark
>
> On 10/11/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>>
>> My rant for the day,
>>
>> Shouldn't this conference be moving around? There is a large user
>> base in
>> both Victoria & Queensland.
>>
>> Why is it in Sydney
again? 
>>
>> Regards
>> Dale Fraser
>>
>> http://dale.fraser.id.au
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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney


> > A big event run by a commercial company, not for profit?

Dale, I'm not sure what events you get a chance to go to, but WebDU is
actually quite small, in comparrison.

look at the size of Max, et al. We haven't got the sheer bums on seats
to make that possible.

if you want Daemon to make a profit, even to cover the amount of hours
Geoff spends (and everyone else he gets to help out) away from Daemon
work to pull the thing together (at Event Organiser rates) then expect
the ticket prices to go thru the roof.

IMHO, we should be thankful we've got the quality of event we have -
for the prices charged.

as Darren said before, you can always organise one in Melbourne and
then take that traveling

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-11 Thread Robin Hilliard

Dale,I have to stick up for Geoff here, because he's not one to beat his own gong, but he is actually one of those rare individuals (like the user group managers, authors of open source software, and people who post helpful responses to cfaussie :-) who believes in supporting the community without expectation of immediate reward and has some initiative to do something about it instead of waiting "cargo cult" style for support to arrive from somewhere else.I know for a fact that Webdu generally breaks even with sponsorships and conference fees, but if you took into account the hundred of hours it takes the Daemon staff to organise the conference each year it would be a complete and utter loss maker.  The fact that Daemon continue to host the conference despite this is a huge kudos for Geoff, Vivianne, Julie and the team, and has earned them genuine respect from Adobe and other companies in the community.  It's up to us, the community, to make things like this conference happen, either by organising them ourselves or supporting those that do.  Speaking for myself, this is why RocketBoots has been a silver sponsor of Webdu since we started (even when we were only a few months old) and why we'll continue to sponsor the conference.  BTW, the "profit share with the speaker" is specific to the workshops held on day 0 - the speakers have to pay their own way to the conference and allowing them to charge for workshops helps them recover some of (usually not all of) their expenses and for Daemon to pay for training venue hire. __Robin Hilliard On 11/10/2006, at 4:29 PM, Dale Fraser wrote:Right, A big event run by a commercial company, not for profit? Sounds like a load of crap. Just because it doesn’t make a profit isn’t the same as it being NFP. I don’t see any references anywhere on the site to it being NFP which is normally splashed everywhere when it is. One quote from the website “Our plan is to profit share with the speaker”. Regards Dale Fraserhttp://dale.fraser.id.au
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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney









Ok,

 

I think you are all missing my point, you say it’s
too small to move, I say it’s small because it doesn’t move.

 

The 90% of Melbourne people
that don’t go because it’s in Sydney will never
get a chance to be impressed by it and make the effort to fly to Brisbane the next year.

 

I understand there are logistical and cost issues,
but they are only a sponsor away from being solved.

 

Add into this the new Flex interested parties, and
you might get more bums on seats than you think. Based on recent VIC UG
meetings, most people were in attendance when Flex was on the agenda.

 

PS: I have never been because it’s in Sydney, but I am going to
Max. If I have to travel to a conference I want to get the most from my money.



Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au


 











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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU
2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney



 

Dale,



 





I have to stick up for Geoff here, because he's not one to beat his own
gong, but he is actually one of those rare individuals (like the user group
managers, authors of open source software, and people who post helpful
responses to cfaussie :-) who believes in supporting the community without
expectation of immediate reward and has some initiative to do something about
it instead of waiting "cargo cult" style for support to arrive from
somewhere else.





 





I know for a fact that Webdu generally breaks even with sponsorships
and conference fees, but if you took into account the hundred of hours it takes
the Daemon staff to organise the conference each year it would be a complete
and utter loss maker.  The fact that Daemon continue to host the
conference despite this is a huge kudos for Geoff, Vivianne, Julie and the
team, and has earned them genuine respect from Adobe and other companies in the
community.  





 





It's up to us, the community, to make things like this conference
happen, either by organising them ourselves or supporting those that do. 
Speaking for myself, this is why RocketBoots has been a silver sponsor of Webdu
since we started (even when we were only a few months old) and why we'll
continue to sponsor the conference.  





 





BTW, the "profit share with the speaker" is specific to the
workshops held on day 0 - the speakers have to pay their own way to the
conference and allowing them to charge for workshops helps them recover some of
(usually not all of) their expenses and for Daemon to pay for training venue
hire.





 







__





 





Robin Hilliard













 





On 11/10/2006, at 4:29 PM, Dale Fraser
wrote:









Right,

 

A big event run by a commercial company, not for
profit?

 

Sounds like a load of crap. Just because it doesn’t
make a profit isn’t the same as it being NFP.

 

I don’t see any references anywhere on the site to
it being NFP which is normally splashed everywhere when it is.

 

One quote from the website “Our plan is to profit share with the speaker”.





Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au














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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-11 Thread Shane Farmer

Or keep your eye out for a happy hour special.
On 10/11/06, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
so, for non-sydney residents, all I can say is "Virgin Blue" "EarlyBird Specials"


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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney


> PS: I have never been because it's in Sydney, but I am going to Max. If I
> have to travel to a conference I want to get the most from my money.

PS: I have never been to Max because it isn't cheap or easy to get to.
If I have to travel oversees to a conference then I'd like it to not
cost the earth** nor take a week out of my life and family - I want to
get the most from my mortgage.


different strokes, etc. Perhaps do a breezo Austrailia wide when you
get back, see what the attendance to it is like?


b

** Actually I'd rather not go to a conference then but visit relatives
in Finland or haggis shooting in Scotland. Perhaps the Czech Republic
even. Anywhere but the USA, really. Going all that way just to hear
someone prattle on about technology? yawn... Sydney's closer

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-11 Thread Scott Barnes

FAAARK you guys complain more and more these days.
1) Daemon run the conference for a specific reason as same as they do in terms of fullasagoog.com simply because they promote thought around the various elements required in order to develop on some of the Macromedia/Adobe product range.

2) Logistics for this setup are quite large, and anyone who's planned a conference will tell you that even finding a venue is somewhat hard and not to mention other components that play a role. I've seen these guys in action first hand and while on the surface it looks easy, its not realy and it takes a lot out of them - keeping in mind they run quite a successful yet busy business at the same time. So let's not forget this is a labour of love and despite the ticket price, the profit margins for this wouldn't be as high as most think, and knowing Geoff and co most if not all profits would end up back into the budget for next year and so on.

3) I prefer Daemon to run it instead of Adobe, as we will end up with a commercially driven conference instead of a raw-nerd fest. Its keeping the "bastards honest" so to speak but ensures that there is a nice balance to the content in question. It also provides an outlet for the average coldfusion/flex/flash punter to expand his/her mind into other areas such as "Microsoft" or "Other". So its not all about brand shovelling.

4) Overall, I'm sure we could gather up some sponsorship here in Queensland to provide a basic foundation for this event but overall why? I could probably twist a few arms such as TQ and QR to sponsor it of some nature it it were up here but in reality and i don't see the payoff.

This is an event in which it promotes thought about the tools we use, its not about selling them and so its a hard upsell to the current sponsors as is. Thats my thoughts anyway
Besides Sydney is more of a central location all things considered.
On 10/11/06, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> PS: I have never been because it's in Sydney, but I am going to Max. If I> have to travel to a conference I want to get the most from my money.
PS: I have never been to Max because it isn't cheap or easy to get to.If I have to travel oversees to a conference then I'd like it to notcost the earth** nor take a week out of my life and family - I want to
get the most from my mortgage.different strokes, etc. Perhaps do a breezo Austrailia wide when youget back, see what the attendance to it is like?b** Actually I'd rather not go to a conference then but visit relatives
in Finland or haggis shooting in Scotland. Perhaps the Czech Republiceven. Anywhere but the USA, really. Going all that way just to hearsomeone prattle on about technology? yawn... Sydney's closerhttp://www.mossyblog.com

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney


so, Scott, are you going?

and (to all) who else, come hell or high water?




On 10/12/06, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> FAAARK you guys complain more and more these days.
>
> 1) Daemon run the conference for a specific reason as same as they do in
> terms of fullasagoog.com simply because they promote thought around the
> various elements required in order to develop on some of the
> Macromedia/Adobe product range.
>
> 2) Logistics for this setup are quite large, and anyone who's planned a
> conference will tell you that even finding a venue is somewhat hard and not
> to mention other components that play a role. I've seen these guys in action
> first hand and while on the surface it looks easy, its not realy and it
> takes a lot out of them - keeping in mind they run quite a successful yet
> busy business at the same time. So let's not forget this is a labour of love
> and despite the ticket price, the profit margins for this wouldn't be as
> high as most think, and knowing Geoff and co most if not all profits would
> end up back into the budget for next year and so on.
>
> 3) I prefer Daemon to run it instead of Adobe, as we will end up with a
> commercially driven conference instead of a raw-nerd fest. Its keeping the
> "bastards honest" so to speak but ensures that there is a nice balance to
> the content in question. It also provides an outlet for the average
> coldfusion/flex/flash punter to expand his/her mind into other areas such as
> "Microsoft" or "Other". So its not all about brand shovelling.
>
> 4) Overall, I'm sure we could gather up some sponsorship here in Queensland
> to provide a basic foundation for this event but overall why? I could
> probably twist a few arms such as TQ and QR to sponsor it of some nature it
> it were up here but in reality and i don't see the payoff.
>
> This is an event in which it promotes thought about the tools we use, its
> not about selling them and so its a hard upsell to the current sponsors as
> is.  Thats my thoughts anyway
>
> Besides Sydney is more of a central location all things considered.
>
>
>
> On 10/11/06, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > PS: I have never been because it's in Sydney, but I am going to Max. If
> I
> > > have to travel to a conference I want to get the most from my money.
> >
> > PS: I have never been to Max because it isn't cheap or easy to get to.
> > If I have to travel oversees to a conference then I'd like it to not
> > cost the earth** nor take a week out of my life and family - I want to
> > get the most from my mortgage.
> >
> >
> > different strokes, etc. Perhaps do a breezo Austrailia wide when you
> > get back, see what the attendance to it is like?
> >
> >
> > b
> >
> > ** Actually I'd rather not go to a conference then but visit relatives
> > in Finland or haggis shooting in Scotland. Perhaps the Czech Republic
> > even. Anywhere but the USA, really. Going all that way just to hear
> > someone prattle on about technology? yawn... Sydney's closer
> >
> > http://www.mossyblog.com
> > > >
> >
>

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-11 Thread Mark Mandel


I'll be there.. for sure.

Not missing it this year, no way.

Mark

On 10/12/06, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> so, Scott, are you going?
>
> and (to all) who else, come hell or high water?
>
>
>
>
> On 10/12/06, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > FAAARK you guys complain more and more these days.
> >
> > 1) Daemon run the conference for a specific reason as same as they do in
> > terms of fullasagoog.com simply because they promote thought around the
> > various elements required in order to develop on some of the
> > Macromedia/Adobe product range.
> >
> > 2) Logistics for this setup are quite large, and anyone who's planned a
> > conference will tell you that even finding a venue is somewhat hard and not
> > to mention other components that play a role. I've seen these guys in action
> > first hand and while on the surface it looks easy, its not realy and it
> > takes a lot out of them - keeping in mind they run quite a successful yet
> > busy business at the same time. So let's not forget this is a labour of love
> > and despite the ticket price, the profit margins for this wouldn't be as
> > high as most think, and knowing Geoff and co most if not all profits would
> > end up back into the budget for next year and so on.
> >
> > 3) I prefer Daemon to run it instead of Adobe, as we will end up with a
> > commercially driven conference instead of a raw-nerd fest. Its keeping the
> > "bastards honest" so to speak but ensures that there is a nice balance to
> > the content in question. It also provides an outlet for the average
> > coldfusion/flex/flash punter to expand his/her mind into other areas such as
> > "Microsoft" or "Other". So its not all about brand shovelling.
> >
> > 4) Overall, I'm sure we could gather up some sponsorship here in Queensland
> > to provide a basic foundation for this event but overall why? I could
> > probably twist a few arms such as TQ and QR to sponsor it of some nature it
> > it were up here but in reality and i don't see the payoff.
> >
> > This is an event in which it promotes thought about the tools we use, its
> > not about selling them and so its a hard upsell to the current sponsors as
> > is.  Thats my thoughts anyway
> >
> > Besides Sydney is more of a central location all things considered.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/11/06, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > PS: I have never been because it's in Sydney, but I am going to Max. If
> > I
> > > > have to travel to a conference I want to get the most from my money.
> > >
> > > PS: I have never been to Max because it isn't cheap or easy to get to.
> > > If I have to travel oversees to a conference then I'd like it to not
> > > cost the earth** nor take a week out of my life and family - I want to
> > > get the most from my mortgage.
> > >
> > >
> > > different strokes, etc. Perhaps do a breezo Austrailia wide when you
> > > get back, see what the attendance to it is like?
> > >
> > >
> > > b
> > >
> > > ** Actually I'd rather not go to a conference then but visit relatives
> > > in Finland or haggis shooting in Scotland. Perhaps the Czech Republic
> > > even. Anywhere but the USA, really. Going all that way just to hear
> > > someone prattle on about technology? yawn... Sydney's closer
> > >
> > > http://www.mossyblog.com
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-11 Thread Geoff Bowers

Dale,

We always appreciate feedback on webDU and ways we might improve the
event.  However, I'm not sure I understand your suggestions.

Dale Fraser wrote:
> I think you are all missing my point, you say it's too small to move, I say
> it's small because it doesn't move.
>
> The 90% of Melbourne people that don't go because it's in Sydney will never
> get a chance to be impressed by it and make the effort to fly to Brisbane
> the next year.

With the same logic, 90% of Sydney people won't go because its in
Melbourne.  Are you saying that people don't travel to the conference
because the distance makes it too expensive?

The cost of flights, accommodation and conference pass totals at less
than many conferences entry price alone.  We do this in an effort to
make the conference accessible to as many people as possible.

> Add into this the new Flex interested parties, and you might get more bums
> on seats than you think. Based on recent VIC UG meetings, most people were
> in attendance when Flex was on the agenda.

webDU was one of the first conferences world wide to run a dedicated
Flex track.  We'll be doing the same again this year coming.  We're
hoping Flex has a national appeal.

> PS: I have never been because it's in Sydney, but I am going to Max. If I
> have to travel to a conference I want to get the most from my money.

You suggest it's a financial issue.  And yet you could send your entire
team to webDU for less than flying a single person to MAX.  It's worth
noting that webDU ticket pricing has not increased over the last 4
years.  It still costs less to attend webDU than a 2-Day beginners
course in Flash.

It's great to go to MAX if you have the chance.  I'm just not sure I
understand your supposition that MAX is somehow better value for money
because webDU is in Sydney and not in Melbourne.  Clearly MAX is a very
different conference to webDU, but i think its highly unlikely you mean
that travel cost is a strong argument in favour of attending MAX.

What apart from moving the venue to Melbourne do we need to do to
encourage you to make the journey?

Best regards,

-- geoff
Conference Manager
http://www.webdu.com.au/

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-11 Thread Seona Bellamy

I hope to attend. Pretty sure I can save up enough by then. :)~Seona.On 12/10/06, Mark Mandel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:I'll be there.. for sure.Not missing it this year, no way.
MarkOn 10/12/06, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> so, Scott, are you going?>> and (to all) who else, come hell or high water?
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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

Geoff,

All your points are perfectly valid.

The cost comes in to question where you wish to send multiple people.

If I want to send 3 people to WebDu then I have no hope of getting that
approved with flights / accommodation. It adds up and the business will
question why they all need to go. If it was in Melbourne I would have no
issue.

There are four people here who do CF stuff and none of them have ever been.
It is a financial and believe it or not it's easier to get approved 1 trip
to Max than 4 trips to WebDu. Having the entire IT section out interstate
doesn't help the problem. But your point is valid that I could have gone to
WebDU instead of Max.

> What apart from moving the venue to Melbourne do we need to do to
encourage you to make the journey?

Nothing, I know I want to make the journey, but I won't this year because
I'm going to Max, I may however send one of the other team members. (If they
are nice to me :p)

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
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Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 10:08 AM
To: cfaussie
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

Dale,

We always appreciate feedback on webDU and ways we might improve the
event.  However, I'm not sure I understand your suggestions.

Dale Fraser wrote:
> I think you are all missing my point, you say it's too small to move, I
say
> it's small because it doesn't move.
>
> The 90% of Melbourne people that don't go because it's in Sydney will
never
> get a chance to be impressed by it and make the effort to fly to Brisbane
> the next year.

With the same logic, 90% of Sydney people won't go because its in
Melbourne.  Are you saying that people don't travel to the conference
because the distance makes it too expensive?

The cost of flights, accommodation and conference pass totals at less
than many conferences entry price alone.  We do this in an effort to
make the conference accessible to as many people as possible.

> Add into this the new Flex interested parties, and you might get more bums
> on seats than you think. Based on recent VIC UG meetings, most people were
> in attendance when Flex was on the agenda.

webDU was one of the first conferences world wide to run a dedicated
Flex track.  We'll be doing the same again this year coming.  We're
hoping Flex has a national appeal.

> PS: I have never been because it's in Sydney, but I am going to Max. If I
> have to travel to a conference I want to get the most from my money.

You suggest it's a financial issue.  And yet you could send your entire
team to webDU for less than flying a single person to MAX.  It's worth
noting that webDU ticket pricing has not increased over the last 4
years.  It still costs less to attend webDU than a 2-Day beginners
course in Flash.

It's great to go to MAX if you have the chance.  I'm just not sure I
understand your supposition that MAX is somehow better value for money
because webDU is in Sydney and not in Melbourne.  Clearly MAX is a very
different conference to webDU, but i think its highly unlikely you mean
that travel cost is a strong argument in favour of attending MAX.

What apart from moving the venue to Melbourne do we need to do to
encourage you to make the journey?

Best regards,

-- geoff
Conference Manager
http://www.webdu.com.au/

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-11 Thread Bjorn Schultheiss

I'll jump in for Dale here.

I believe he is trying to say that by moving the circus around Australia it
will only create better awareness of the event.
I was there this year and will not miss it next year.

I'm sure if you had one in Melbourne previously I would have been exposed
earlier and therefore attended more events.

Regards,

Bjorn Schultheiss

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Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 10:08 AM
To: cfaussie
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

Dale,

We always appreciate feedback on webDU and ways we might improve the event.
However, I'm not sure I understand your suggestions.

Dale Fraser wrote:
> I think you are all missing my point, you say it's too small to move, 
> I say it's small because it doesn't move.
>
> The 90% of Melbourne people that don't go because it's in Sydney will 
> never get a chance to be impressed by it and make the effort to fly to 
> Brisbane the next year.

With the same logic, 90% of Sydney people won't go because its in Melbourne.
Are you saying that people don't travel to the conference because the
distance makes it too expensive?

The cost of flights, accommodation and conference pass totals at less than
many conferences entry price alone.  We do this in an effort to make the
conference accessible to as many people as possible.

> Add into this the new Flex interested parties, and you might get more 
> bums on seats than you think. Based on recent VIC UG meetings, most 
> people were in attendance when Flex was on the agenda.

webDU was one of the first conferences world wide to run a dedicated Flex
track.  We'll be doing the same again this year coming.  We're hoping Flex
has a national appeal.

> PS: I have never been because it's in Sydney, but I am going to Max. 
> If I have to travel to a conference I want to get the most from my money.

You suggest it's a financial issue.  And yet you could send your entire team
to webDU for less than flying a single person to MAX.  It's worth noting
that webDU ticket pricing has not increased over the last 4 years.  It still
costs less to attend webDU than a 2-Day beginners course in Flash.

It's great to go to MAX if you have the chance.  I'm just not sure I
understand your supposition that MAX is somehow better value for money
because webDU is in Sydney and not in Melbourne.  Clearly MAX is a very
different conference to webDU, but i think its highly unlikely you mean that
travel cost is a strong argument in favour of attending MAX.

What apart from moving the venue to Melbourne do we need to do to encourage
you to make the journey?

Best regards,

-- geoff
Conference Manager
http://www.webdu.com.au/

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-11 Thread Scott Barnes

I've got financial delegation and a corporate credit card at my disposal with no strings attached. So for me provided its not international travel, I can find a whole array of reasons to go and be in a capital city for other reasons..

 
in other words shit yea :)
 
Melbourne is more expensive to fly to from QLD then it is Sydney? Perth is more expensive to fly to from Melbourne and Brisbane then it is instead of Sydney?
 
Its a central position and if your employer questions 3 employees going to a conference and can't explain the value then you're probably not explaining it :) 
On 10/12/06, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
so, Scott, are you going?and (to all) who else, come hell or high water?On 10/12/06, Scott Barnes <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> FAAARK you guys complain more and more these days.>> 1) Daemon run the conference for a specific reason as same as they do in
> terms of fullasagoog.com simply because they promote thought around the> various elements required in order to develop on some of the> Macromedia/Adobe product range.
>> 2) Logistics for this setup are quite large, and anyone who's planned a> conference will tell you that even finding a venue is somewhat hard and not> to mention other components that play a role. I've seen these guys in action
> first hand and while on the surface it looks easy, its not realy and it> takes a lot out of them - keeping in mind they run quite a successful yet> busy business at the same time. So let's not forget this is a labour of love
> and despite the ticket price, the profit margins for this wouldn't be as> high as most think, and knowing Geoff and co most if not all profits would> end up back into the budget for next year and so on.
>> 3) I prefer Daemon to run it instead of Adobe, as we will end up with a> commercially driven conference instead of a raw-nerd fest. Its keeping the> "bastards honest" so to speak but ensures that there is a nice balance to
> the content in question. It also provides an outlet for the average> coldfusion/flex/flash punter to expand his/her mind into other areas such as> "Microsoft" or "Other". So its not all about brand shovelling.
>> 4) Overall, I'm sure we could gather up some sponsorship here in Queensland> to provide a basic foundation for this event but overall why? I could> probably twist a few arms such as TQ and QR to sponsor it of some nature it
> it were up here but in reality and i don't see the payoff.>> This is an event in which it promotes thought about the tools we use, its> not about selling them and so its a hard upsell to the current sponsors as
> is.  Thats my thoughts anyway>> Besides Sydney is more of a central location all things considered. On 10/11/06, Barry Beattie <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> >> > > PS: I have never been because it's in Sydney, but I am going to Max. If> I> > > have to travel to a conference I want to get the most from my money.
> >> > PS: I have never been to Max because it isn't cheap or easy to get to.> > If I have to travel oversees to a conference then I'd like it to not> > cost the earth** nor take a week out of my life and family - I want to
> > get the most from my mortgage.> >> >> > different strokes, etc. Perhaps do a breezo Austrailia wide when you> > get back, see what the attendance to it is like?> >
> >> > b> >> > ** Actually I'd rather not go to a conference then but visit relatives> > in Finland or haggis shooting in Scotland. Perhaps the Czech Republic> > even. Anywhere but the USA, really. Going all that way just to hear
> > someone prattle on about technology? yawn... Sydney's closer> >> > http://www.mossyblog.com> > > >> >>http://www.mossyblog.com 

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-11 Thread Andrew Scott


Dale,

I will also agree with you, I have never been to webDU for the reason that I
would personally have to find the money for the accommodation and flight.

Everyone else,

And I will also say that why is MS successful, road shows.

I realise that this is done of the backs of peoples kindness, but lets look
at the bigger picture. There are more people who can't make it than those
that do, and to have it travel as Dale said opens up more awareness.

Coldfusion has a serious problem, and that is awarness and having to compete
with OpenSource or free alternatives, but how many bigger businesses might
attend if there was more exposure in that state?

 
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613  8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273


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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

Yep, it's one of those things you don't go for X years and you don't know
what's missing. The travelling bit would increase exposure.

I don't think you need to move every year, but it's something to consider
which I'm sure you have and will.

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au

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Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 10:59 AM
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

I'll jump in for Dale here.

I believe he is trying to say that by moving the circus around Australia it
will only create better awareness of the event.
I was there this year and will not miss it next year.

I'm sure if you had one in Melbourne previously I would have been exposed
earlier and therefore attended more events.

Regards,

Bjorn Schultheiss

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Geoff Bowers
Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 10:08 AM
To: cfaussie
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

Dale,

We always appreciate feedback on webDU and ways we might improve the event.
However, I'm not sure I understand your suggestions.

Dale Fraser wrote:
> I think you are all missing my point, you say it's too small to move, 
> I say it's small because it doesn't move.
>
> The 90% of Melbourne people that don't go because it's in Sydney will 
> never get a chance to be impressed by it and make the effort to fly to 
> Brisbane the next year.

With the same logic, 90% of Sydney people won't go because its in Melbourne.
Are you saying that people don't travel to the conference because the
distance makes it too expensive?

The cost of flights, accommodation and conference pass totals at less than
many conferences entry price alone.  We do this in an effort to make the
conference accessible to as many people as possible.

> Add into this the new Flex interested parties, and you might get more 
> bums on seats than you think. Based on recent VIC UG meetings, most 
> people were in attendance when Flex was on the agenda.

webDU was one of the first conferences world wide to run a dedicated Flex
track.  We'll be doing the same again this year coming.  We're hoping Flex
has a national appeal.

> PS: I have never been because it's in Sydney, but I am going to Max. 
> If I have to travel to a conference I want to get the most from my money.

You suggest it's a financial issue.  And yet you could send your entire team
to webDU for less than flying a single person to MAX.  It's worth noting
that webDU ticket pricing has not increased over the last 4 years.  It still
costs less to attend webDU than a 2-Day beginners course in Flash.

It's great to go to MAX if you have the chance.  I'm just not sure I
understand your supposition that MAX is somehow better value for money
because webDU is in Sydney and not in Melbourne.  Clearly MAX is a very
different conference to webDU, but i think its highly unlikely you mean that
travel cost is a strong argument in favour of attending MAX.

What apart from moving the venue to Melbourne do we need to do to encourage
you to make the journey?

Best regards,

-- geoff
Conference Manager
http://www.webdu.com.au/

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney


Some support finally.

Both Melbourne people for the record. Perhaps it's time to approach Adobe
with the "We want to take this show on the road" and get some money.

I really believe that both a Melboure and Brisbane event would be worthwhile
even if it's only once every 4 years. Ie:

Sydney
Melbourne
Sydney
Brisbane

Not sure but perhaps WA needs to be in the mix, seem to get more QLD
comments than WA.

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au


 


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To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney


Dale,

I will also agree with you, I have never been to webDU for the reason that I
would personally have to find the money for the accommodation and flight.

Everyone else,

And I will also say that why is MS successful, road shows.

I realise that this is done of the backs of peoples kindness, but lets look
at the bigger picture. There are more people who can't make it than those
that do, and to have it travel as Dale said opens up more awareness.

Coldfusion has a serious problem, and that is awarness and having to compete
with OpenSource or free alternatives, but how many bigger businesses might
attend if there was more exposure in that state?

 
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613  8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273





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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney


Dale, I'll seriously bring this up at the next QLDCFUG, to see what
the gut feeling is... and get back to you.

Be warned tho, there's lots of Bris people who do the travel. and some
(like me) are self-funded to do so. but I will ask.

Please remember that (temp) moving is a huge ask. Ask Robin Hilliard
moving Tim Buntel around from city to city - and that was just one
person, not a whole event. It's just not an easy thing to pull off.

Dale, if it were held in Bris, would you come + send others? Please
forgive me for saying so, but I wouldn't fly from Bris to Melb for it.
Just a bit too far (yeah I know, those that fly the Tasman and over
the Nullabore every year) ...

just a thought.
b


On 10/12/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Some support finally.
>
> Both Melbourne people for the record. Perhaps it's time to approach Adobe
> with the "We want to take this show on the road" and get some money.
>
> I really believe that both a Melboure and Brisbane event would be worthwhile
> even if it's only once every 4 years. Ie:
>
> Sydney
> Melbourne
> Sydney
> Brisbane
>
> Not sure but perhaps WA needs to be in the mix, seem to get more QLD
> comments than WA.
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Andrew Scott
> Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:21 AM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney
>
>
> Dale,
>
> I will also agree with you, I have never been to webDU for the reason that I
> would personally have to find the money for the accommodation and flight.
>
> Everyone else,
>
> And I will also say that why is MS successful, road shows.
>
> I realise that this is done of the backs of peoples kindness, but lets look
> at the bigger picture. There are more people who can't make it than those
> that do, and to have it travel as Dale said opens up more awareness.
>
> Coldfusion has a serious problem, and that is awarness and having to compete
> with OpenSource or free alternatives, but how many bigger businesses might
> attend if there was more exposure in that state?
>
>
> Senior Coldfusion Developer
> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> www.aegeon.com.au
> Phone: +613  8676 4223
> Mobile: 0404 998 273
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

Barry,

I'd be interested in the response, might try the same question at the next
Vic group.

I would probably go to Brisbane if it was in Sydney every two years and
Melbourne every 4. I would probably try to do

Sydney  (No one)
Melbourne   (Entire Team)
Sydney  (No one)
Brisbane(1 person)

That's based on having someone go every two years, but I guess if it's as
good as it sounds (And again I've never been) then perhaps I'd send at least
one person every year.

Once they have all been to Melbourne one they might be asking every year. No
one has ever asked me if they could go as they have never seen it and thus
don't really know. Which is a good indication of its appeal to Melbournites.
That's not a single request (that I remember) in the 5 years I've been
managing teams of CF developers.

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Barry Beattie
Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:55 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

Dale, I'll seriously bring this up at the next QLDCFUG, to see what
the gut feeling is... and get back to you.

Be warned tho, there's lots of Bris people who do the travel. and some
(like me) are self-funded to do so. but I will ask.

Please remember that (temp) moving is a huge ask. Ask Robin Hilliard
moving Tim Buntel around from city to city - and that was just one
person, not a whole event. It's just not an easy thing to pull off.

Dale, if it were held in Bris, would you come + send others? Please
forgive me for saying so, but I wouldn't fly from Bris to Melb for it.
Just a bit too far (yeah I know, those that fly the Tasman and over
the Nullabore every year) ...

just a thought.
b

On 10/12/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Some support finally.
>
> Both Melbourne people for the record. Perhaps it's time to approach Adobe
> with the "We want to take this show on the road" and get some money.
>
> I really believe that both a Melboure and Brisbane event would be
worthwhile
> even if it's only once every 4 years. Ie:
>
> Sydney
> Melbourne
> Sydney
> Brisbane
>
> Not sure but perhaps WA needs to be in the mix, seem to get more QLD
> comments than WA.
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
> Of Andrew Scott
> Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:21 AM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney
>
>
> Dale,
>
> I will also agree with you, I have never been to webDU for the reason that
I
> would personally have to find the money for the accommodation and flight.
>
> Everyone else,
>
> And I will also say that why is MS successful, road shows.
>
> I realise that this is done of the backs of peoples kindness, but lets
look
> at the bigger picture. There are more people who can't make it than those
> that do, and to have it travel as Dale said opens up more awareness.
>
> Coldfusion has a serious problem, and that is awarness and having to
compete
> with OpenSource or free alternatives, but how many bigger businesses might
> attend if there was more exposure in that state?
>
>
> Senior Coldfusion Developer
> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> www.aegeon.com.au
> Phone: +613  8676 4223
> Mobile: 0404 998 273
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-11 Thread Toby Tremayne

I'll be going this year, and will be self funded as well, flying up from melbourne.  If you're clever about your flights and accommodation it doesn't really cost too much extra, and considering the quality the event always manages I see the whole price as a bargain.  I walk away from these conferences every time having had a ball, learnt a lot and made good friends and business contacts.  I'm not a huge fan of sydney to be honest but it's probably more central to the cf community as a whole, and when all is said and done, we wouldn't have an aussie convention at all - let alone one this good - if Geoff and his team weren't doing it (among the many other great things they've done for the community and my career!), so I think it perfectly fair for them to put it on in their home city.Microsofts "Road shows" may seem more successful, but the fact is Daemon, while they obviously get publicity etc out of the conference, are not flogging a particular product or service, they're promoting the community.  If they had a bottomless marketing budget and the conference was  centered on selling their products then I'd agree that I wouldn't go to it unless it was local.  But webdu is a totally different kind of event, one I'd do my best to attend even if it did cost more than it does.TobyOn 12/10/2006, at 11:55 AM, Barry Beattie wrote:Dale, I'll seriously bring this up at the next QLDCFUG, to see whatthe gut feeling is... and get back to you.Be warned tho, there's lots of Bris people who do the travel. and some(like me) are self-funded to do so. but I will ask.Please remember that (temp) moving is a huge ask. Ask Robin Hilliardmoving Tim Buntel around from city to city - and that was just oneperson, not a whole event. It's just not an easy thing to pull off.Dale, if it were held in Bris, would you come + send others? Pleaseforgive me for saying so, but I wouldn't fly from Bris to Melb for it.Just a bit too far (yeah I know, those that fly the Tasman and overthe Nullabore every year) ...just a thought.bOn 10/12/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Some support finally.Both Melbourne people for the record. Perhaps it's time to approach Adobewith the "We want to take this show on the road" and get some money.I really believe that both a Melboure and Brisbane event would be worthwhileeven if it's only once every 4 years. Ie:SydneyMelbourneSydneyBrisbaneNot sure but perhaps WA needs to be in the mix, seem to get more QLDcomments than WA.RegardsDale Fraserhttp://dale.fraser.id.au-Original Message-From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On BehalfOf Andrew ScottSent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:21 AMTo: cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton SydneyDale,I will also agree with you, I have never been to webDU for the reason that Iwould personally have to find the money for the accommodation and flight.Everyone else,And I will also say that why is MS successful, road shows.I realise that this is done of the backs of peoples kindness, but lets lookat the bigger picture. There are more people who can't make it than thosethat do, and to have it travel as Dale said opens up more awareness.Coldfusion has a serious problem, and that is awarness and having to competewith OpenSource or free alternatives, but how many bigger businesses mightattend if there was more exposure in that state?Senior Coldfusion DeveloperAegeon Pty. Ltd.www.aegeon.com.auPhone: +613  8676 4223Mobile: 0404 998 273   

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

Ok,

As a summary, I blogged my wish for MxDU 2007.

Hopefully as many people as can will support it, it's very important that we
keep this event going and building. 

http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog/

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au

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To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
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Barry,

I'd be interested in the response, might try the same question at the next
Vic group.

I would probably go to Brisbane if it was in Sydney every two years and
Melbourne every 4. I would probably try to do

Sydney  (No one)
Melbourne   (Entire Team)
Sydney  (No one)
Brisbane(1 person)

That's based on having someone go every two years, but I guess if it's as
good as it sounds (And again I've never been) then perhaps I'd send at least
one person every year.

Once they have all been to Melbourne one they might be asking every year. No
one has ever asked me if they could go as they have never seen it and thus
don't really know. Which is a good indication of its appeal to Melbournites.
That's not a single request (that I remember) in the 5 years I've been
managing teams of CF developers.

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Barry Beattie
Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:55 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

Dale, I'll seriously bring this up at the next QLDCFUG, to see what
the gut feeling is... and get back to you.

Be warned tho, there's lots of Bris people who do the travel. and some
(like me) are self-funded to do so. but I will ask.

Please remember that (temp) moving is a huge ask. Ask Robin Hilliard
moving Tim Buntel around from city to city - and that was just one
person, not a whole event. It's just not an easy thing to pull off.

Dale, if it were held in Bris, would you come + send others? Please
forgive me for saying so, but I wouldn't fly from Bris to Melb for it.
Just a bit too far (yeah I know, those that fly the Tasman and over
the Nullabore every year) ...

just a thought.
b

On 10/12/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Some support finally.
>
> Both Melbourne people for the record. Perhaps it's time to approach Adobe
> with the "We want to take this show on the road" and get some money.
>
> I really believe that both a Melboure and Brisbane event would be
worthwhile
> even if it's only once every 4 years. Ie:
>
> Sydney
> Melbourne
> Sydney
> Brisbane
>
> Not sure but perhaps WA needs to be in the mix, seem to get more QLD
> comments than WA.
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
> Of Andrew Scott
> Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:21 AM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney
>
>
> Dale,
>
> I will also agree with you, I have never been to webDU for the reason that
I
> would personally have to find the money for the accommodation and flight.
>
> Everyone else,
>
> And I will also say that why is MS successful, road shows.
>
> I realise that this is done of the backs of peoples kindness, but lets
look
> at the bigger picture. There are more people who can't make it than those
> that do, and to have it travel as Dale said opens up more awareness.
>
> Coldfusion has a serious problem, and that is awarness and having to
compete
> with OpenSource or free alternatives, but how many bigger businesses might
> attend if there was more exposure in that state?
>
>
> Senior Coldfusion Developer
> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> www.aegeon.com.au
> Phone: +613  8676 4223
> Mobile: 0404 998 273
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-11 Thread Steve Onnis


Ok

I have been watching this thread and honestly it is very disappointing to
see what is being said.

Firstly, as Robin and a couple of other people pointed out, Geoff is doing
this off his own bat.  The Daemon guy organise everything, from
accommodation deals, to venues and speakers.  It's a lot of work to put into
something.

I think everyone assumes that it's Adobe putting this thing on, when its
not.  It's Daemon.

I am sure if someone put their hand up and said to Geoff that they were
prepared to host and fully sponsor the even in another state one year he
would be fine with it.

My hat goes off to Geoff for doing this in the in the first place.  This is
the same story I hear with the User Groups.  Every one is quick to wave
their hands in the air in a fuss.

In the end if you think you will get enough out of the event and you see
value in going then you will make time and find funds to go.

Just be lucky we have something like this at all in the country.


Steve

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Dale Fraser
Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:29 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney


Some support finally.

Both Melbourne people for the record. Perhaps it's time to approach Adobe
with the "We want to take this show on the road" and get some money.

I really believe that both a Melboure and Brisbane event would be worthwhile
even if it's only once every 4 years. Ie:

Sydney
Melbourne
Sydney
Brisbane

Not sure but perhaps WA needs to be in the mix, seem to get more QLD
comments than WA.

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au


 


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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Andrew Scott
Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:21 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney


Dale,

I will also agree with you, I have never been to webDU for the reason that I
would personally have to find the money for the accommodation and flight.

Everyone else,

And I will also say that why is MS successful, road shows.

I realise that this is done of the backs of peoples kindness, but lets look
at the bigger picture. There are more people who can't make it than those
that do, and to have it travel as Dale said opens up more awareness.

Coldfusion has a serious problem, and that is awarness and having to compete
with OpenSource or free alternatives, but how many bigger businesses might
attend if there was more exposure in that state?

 
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613  8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273








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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-11 Thread Darren Tracey


I think this is the core of the issue.
WebDU is not run by a major vendor is is not aimed at selling you more
product.
If that were the case, then yes, it should move around and semi
regularly be conveniently close to you.
If it were run by Adobe, its content would undoubtably be different (as
I've heard the content at Max is different from WebDU), and we would be
justified in expecting it to come to us occasionally.
But it isn't being run by Adobe, and when you go there, you aren't
having product shoved down your throat, which makes it a more valuable
event for you to attend, so any extra effort you have to make to get
there is justified.
It might be more convenient for you if it was held in the meeting room
just down the hall from your office, but in the bigger picture, it just
doesn't make sense.

Can I also say that, having been to a big conference that was just down
the road from my office, there is a lot to be said for getting
physically away from your office, and even your home for these events.
It forces you to have a much higher level of immersion in the whole
experience, and makes it harder for people back in the office to call
you back for trivial things that could have waited anyway, just because
you were just down the road.
Its so much easier to be insulated from trivial problems if you're
"interstate at a conference" than "just down the road today and
tomorrow and able to be back in the office with 5 minutes notice".
Also I've said this before, but I get as much from a WebDU outside of
the session, than I do from in the sessions themselves. This includes
the socialising with the big names in the industry, getting in their
ears, becoming familiar with them, and all these things. If I was at a
conference in Brisbane, the pressure would be there to be home at a
normal time after the last session, and all that interaction would be
lost. I really enjoy staying up with the people at the conference (who
shall remain nameless) until 3am, and I really do get a benefit from
doing that that makes my professional life easier. I just couldn't see
that happening if I was home.

Its also a bit of a commitment thing. The Brisbane people I see at
WebDU/MXDUs are clearly commited to their career path. They've either
put the effort into convincing an employer to pick up the expense
(which is usually not the easiest thing), or they've covered the
expense themselves (and people, it should be tax deductible. see your
accountant). Its great to see people that committed, and they always
come out of it glad they've spent (invested) that money in their own
careers.

And how much are they really talking about? $200 tops for airfares, and
about the same for accomodation? You should be able to get the airfares
cheaper if you don't leave it to the last minute, and the accomodation
costs can come way down if you share with someone, or do something else
to split the costs. and then you get some of it back from your tax.
Thats way less than you'll spend on a single day of training, and I
guarantee that you'll get that much benefit just from being in and
around the venue of the event (ie I'm not counting the session
contents).
If some training to advance your own career isn't worth spending that
much money on, then you aren't taking your own career seriously.

Darren Tracey
(sorry about the rant)


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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-11 Thread Rod Higgins

In a price comparsion have a look at the JavaOne 2006 prices ... in USD.
 
http://java.sun.com/javaone/sf/registration.jsp
 
I think Geoff at Daemon does a wonderful job promoting CF and related technologies. WebDU is an excellent concept and should continue in whatever city Geoff and the Daemonites decide on. It's their conference and I hope for their sake they do make a profit on the event. If a company from Melbourne put on a similiar conference I would hope they too can turn a profit. In the end we all benefit from the increased CF exposure.

 
I agree with Dale in that an Adobe roadshow would help promote CF but that would be a completely different type of event to WebDU. Moving WebDU is too me a really bad idea ... I live in Sydney, the CF capital of Oz 
 
On 10/12/06, Darren Tracey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think this is the core of the issue.WebDU is not run by a major vendor is is not aimed at selling you more
product.If that were the case, then yes, it should move around and semiregularly be conveniently close to you.If it were run by Adobe, its content would undoubtably be different (asI've heard the content at Max is different from WebDU), and we would be
justified in expecting it to come to us occasionally.But it isn't being run by Adobe, and when you go there, you aren'thaving product shoved down your throat, which makes it a more valuableevent for you to attend, so any extra effort you have to make to get
there is justified.It might be more convenient for you if it was held in the meeting roomjust down the hall from your office, but in the bigger picture, it justdoesn't make sense.Can I also say that, having been to a big conference that was just down
the road from my office, there is a lot to be said for gettingphysically away from your office, and even your home for these events.It forces you to have a much higher level of immersion in the wholeexperience, and makes it harder for people back in the office to call
you back for trivial things that could have waited anyway, just becauseyou were just down the road.Its so much easier to be insulated from trivial problems if you're"interstate at a conference" than "just down the road today and
tomorrow and able to be back in the office with 5 minutes notice".Also I've said this before, but I get as much from a WebDU outside ofthe session, than I do from in the sessions themselves. This includes
the socialising with the big names in the industry, getting in theirears, becoming familiar with them, and all these things. If I was at aconference in Brisbane, the pressure would be there to be home at a
normal time after the last session, and all that interaction would belost. I really enjoy staying up with the people at the conference (whoshall remain nameless) until 3am, and I really do get a benefit fromdoing that that makes my professional life easier. I just couldn't see
that happening if I was home.Its also a bit of a commitment thing. The Brisbane people I see atWebDU/MXDUs are clearly commited to their career path. They've eitherput the effort into convincing an employer to pick up the expense
(which is usually not the easiest thing), or they've covered theexpense themselves (and people, it should be tax deductible. see youraccountant). Its great to see people that committed, and they alwayscome out of it glad they've spent (invested) that money in their own
careers.And how much are they really talking about? $200 tops for airfares, andabout the same for accomodation? You should be able to get the airfarescheaper if you don't leave it to the last minute, and the accomodation
costs can come way down if you share with someone, or do something elseto split the costs. and then you get some of it back from your tax.Thats way less than you'll spend on a single day of training, and I
guarantee that you'll get that much benefit just from being in andaround the venue of the event (ie I'm not counting the sessioncontents).If some training to advance your own career isn't worth spending that
much money on, then you aren't taking your own career seriously.Darren Tracey(sorry about the rant)

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney


"I live in Sydney, the CF capital of Oz "

Oooo! You Stirrer!

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-11 Thread Scott Barnes

I want to nominate Geoff as Father of the year as he's my CF-WebDU-Sugar Daddy :)  
On 10/12/06, Rod Higgins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

In a price comparsion have a look at the JavaOne 2006 prices ... in USD.
 
http://java.sun.com/javaone/sf/registration.jsp
 
I think Geoff at Daemon does a wonderful job promoting CF and related technologies. WebDU is an excellent concept and should continue in whatever city Geoff and the Daemonites decide on. It's their conference and I hope for their sake they do make a profit on the event. If a company from Melbourne put on a similiar conference I would hope they too can turn a profit. In the end we all benefit from the increased CF exposure. 

 
I agree with Dale in that an Adobe roadshow would help promote CF but that would be a completely different type of event to WebDU. Moving WebDU is too me a really bad idea ... I live in Sydney, the CF capital of Oz  
 

On 10/12/06, Darren Tracey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 
I think this is the core of the issue.WebDU is not run by a major vendor is is not aimed at selling you more 
product.If that were the case, then yes, it should move around and semiregularly be conveniently close to you.If it were run by Adobe, its content would undoubtably be different (asI've heard the content at Max is different from WebDU), and we would be 
justified in expecting it to come to us occasionally.But it isn't being run by Adobe, and when you go there, you aren'thaving product shoved down your throat, which makes it a more valuableevent for you to attend, so any extra effort you have to make to get 
there is justified.It might be more convenient for you if it was held in the meeting roomjust down the hall from your office, but in the bigger picture, it justdoesn't make sense.Can I also say that, having been to a big conference that was just down 
the road from my office, there is a lot to be said for gettingphysically away from your office, and even your home for these events.It forces you to have a much higher level of immersion in the wholeexperience, and makes it harder for people back in the office to call 
you back for trivial things that could have waited anyway, just becauseyou were just down the road.Its so much easier to be insulated from trivial problems if you're"interstate at a conference" than "just down the road today and 
tomorrow and able to be back in the office with 5 minutes notice".Also I've said this before, but I get as much from a WebDU outside ofthe session, than I do from in the sessions themselves. This includes 
the socialising with the big names in the industry, getting in theirears, becoming familiar with them, and all these things. If I was at aconference in Brisbane, the pressure would be there to be home at a
normal time after the last session, and all that interaction would belost. I really enjoy staying up with the people at the conference (whoshall remain nameless) until 3am, and I really do get a benefit fromdoing that that makes my professional life easier. I just couldn't see 
that happening if I was home.Its also a bit of a commitment thing. The Brisbane people I see atWebDU/MXDUs are clearly commited to their career path. They've eitherput the effort into convincing an employer to pick up the expense 
(which is usually not the easiest thing), or they've covered theexpense themselves (and people, it should be tax deductible. see youraccountant). Its great to see people that committed, and they alwayscome out of it glad they've spent (invested) that money in their own 
careers.And how much are they really talking about? $200 tops for airfares, andabout the same for accomodation? You should be able to get the airfarescheaper if you don't leave it to the last minute, and the accomodation 
costs can come way down if you share with someone, or do something elseto split the costs. and then you get some of it back from your tax.Thats way less than you'll spend on a single day of training, and I
guarantee that you'll get that much benefit just from being in andaround the venue of the event (ie I'm not counting the sessioncontents).If some training to advance your own career isn't worth spending that
much money on, then you aren't taking your own career seriously.Darren Tracey(sorry about the rant)http://www.mossyblog.com 

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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-11 Thread Bjorn Schultheiss




Geoff the DON!
The godfather of CF..
 
 
no criticisms here, only discussion.
 
Please don daemon, take me, let my family 
LIVE!
 
Regards,
 
Bjorn 
Schultheiss
 


From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott 
BarnesSent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 1:37 PMTo: 
cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 
March 2007, Hilton Sydney

I want to nominate Geoff as Father of the year as he's my CF-WebDU-Sugar 
Daddy :)  
On 10/12/06, Rod 
Higgins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

  In a price comparsion have a look at the JavaOne 2006 prices ... in 
  USD.
   
  http://java.sun.com/javaone/sf/registration.jsp
   
  I think Geoff at Daemon does a wonderful job promoting CF and related 
  technologies. WebDU is an excellent concept and should continue in whatever 
  city Geoff and the Daemonites decide on. It's their conference and I hope for 
  their sake they do make a profit on the event. If a company from 
  Melbourne put on a similiar conference I would hope they too can turn a 
  profit. In the end we all benefit from the increased CF exposure. 
   
  I agree with Dale in that an Adobe roadshow would help promote CF but 
  that would be a completely different type of event to WebDU. Moving WebDU is 
  too me a really bad idea ... I live in Sydney, the CF capital of Oz  
   
  
  On 10/12/06, Darren 
  Tracey <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
  wrote: 
  I 
think this is the core of the issue.WebDU is not run by a major vendor 
is is not aimed at selling you more product.If that were the case, 
then yes, it should move around and semiregularly be conveniently close 
to you.If it were run by Adobe, its content would undoubtably be 
different (asI've heard the content at Max is different from WebDU), and 
we would be justified in expecting it to come to us occasionally.But 
it isn't being run by Adobe, and when you go there, you aren'thaving 
product shoved down your throat, which makes it a more valuableevent for 
you to attend, so any extra effort you have to make to get there is 
justified.It might be more convenient for you if it was held in the 
meeting roomjust down the hall from your office, but in the bigger 
picture, it justdoesn't make sense.Can I also say that, having 
been to a big conference that was just down the road from my office, 
there is a lot to be said for gettingphysically away from your office, 
and even your home for these events.It forces you to have a much higher 
level of immersion in the wholeexperience, and makes it harder for 
people back in the office to call you back for trivial things that could 
have waited anyway, just becauseyou were just down the road.Its so 
much easier to be insulated from trivial problems if you're"interstate 
at a conference" than "just down the road today and tomorrow and able to 
be back in the office with 5 minutes notice".Also I've said this before, 
but I get as much from a WebDU outside ofthe session, than I do from in 
the sessions themselves. This includes the socialising with the big 
names in the industry, getting in theirears, becoming familiar with 
them, and all these things. If I was at aconference in Brisbane, the 
pressure would be there to be home at anormal time after the last 
session, and all that interaction would belost. I really enjoy staying 
up with the people at the conference (whoshall remain nameless) until 
3am, and I really do get a benefit fromdoing that that makes my 
professional life easier. I just couldn't see that happening if I was 
home.Its also a bit of a commitment thing. The Brisbane people I see 
atWebDU/MXDUs are clearly commited to their career path. They've 
eitherput the effort into convincing an employer to pick up the expense 
(which is usually not the easiest thing), or they've covered 
theexpense themselves (and people, it should be tax deductible. see 
youraccountant). Its great to see people that committed, and they 
alwayscome out of it glad they've spent (invested) that money in their 
own careers.And how much are they really talking about? $200 
tops for airfares, andabout the same for accomodation? You should be 
able to get the airfarescheaper if you don't leave it to the last 
minute, and the accomodation costs can come way down if you share with 
someone, or do something elseto split the costs. and then you get some 
of it back from your tax.Thats way less than you'll spend on a single 
day of training, and Iguarantee that you'll get that much benefit just 
from being in andaround the venue of the event (ie I'm not counting the 
sessioncontents).If some training to advance your own career isn't 
worth spending thatmuch money on, t

[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney

2006-10-11 Thread Joel Cass




The 
WebDU was great last year. It looked pretty damn successful.
 

If you 
keep bagging the organiser maybe he'll just give up and not put any 
events on at all.. 
 
As 
someone who grew up in WA in the most isolated city in the world (and the 
most neglected in Australia as far as the big events go), I cannot see 
what the big fuss is about. 
 
Because it 
doesn't seem obvious I will say this: Sydney is in the middle of the east coast, 
one can drive there from Melbourne or Brisbane overnight on perhaps one tank of 
fuel (depending on what car you have). It is only 
45 minutes by plane from Melbourne and perhaps an hour and a bit from 
Brisbane. You can set yourself up at one of the many backpackers down the road 
if accomodation costs are an issue (just hold on to your valuables and be 
sure to bathe in Dettol every morning). However, the Hilton has been refurbished 
recently and looks very nice.
 
If 
you're still concerned about costs, you can carpool it here to Sydney and 
back (around $160 in fuel = $40 each?) and live in my garage. There's 
a king size double being stored there, probably good for up to four programmers. 
You might have to avoid inhaling the fumes from all the semi-opened cans of 
paint and double-stroke lying around in there. And definately no smoking 
indoors. (No, this is not really available, I am just 
kidding)
 
The 
only real cost is your time, as someone else said, if you're spending it 
elsewhere you're probably not that serious about your 
career.
 
Joel
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[cfaussie] Re: webDU 2007: 22-23 March 2007, Hilton Sydney