[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
Yay thanks Scott. I was a straight CF'r until I left Fed Gov and went back to the private sector, the company I worked for prior to this current one, only wanted me to know LiveCycle and Flex, even though they were intially very interested in CF. Fortunately the company i work for now, let me design my own solutions using whatever technology suits the purpose. Now the weird thing is I started teaching myself Flex, and it was like shaking hands with an old pal. It's so much like CF it isn't funny, add the power olf CF behind it and it becomes a super hero, put the power of LiveCycle Data Services and process management behind that and you have a giant killer. CF isn't quite an ESB yet, but I reckon if Adobe a heap more gateways and web services with it, it could easily be. I don't really code anymore now, I just design SOA's. One day soon, perhaps I won't be so busy and I'll be able to get my hands dirty again, I so love making magic happen ;) Cheers, Rae On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I in part agree with Rae, that maybe the groups could do with an overhaul, > in that are you being to fragmented? or is that a good thing? maybe a > Australia wide survey would be in order .. > > I also think that to isolate in on one technology maybe limiting in some > parts - hear me out. In that should consolidate more around themes vs > technology specifics, eg: "RIA, Enterprise LOB, Branded Experiences > etc" where is it all heading and what are the moving parts found within the > belly of this beast. In that if you all come together as one entity over a > theme, the technology influence will happen naturally and it's less > "religion" and more "state". > > Floating a thought is all.. > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Rae Buerckner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> You really need to add LiveCycle ES to that, contact me for Syd & Vic >> contacts to help you with groups, I can get you LiveCycle people. My head >> hurts because of an EOI I am responding to that pretty much calls for >> Flash/Flex/AIR/CF/LiveCycle ES, for an SOA implementation. >> >> All people in the above tech arena's should be playing together now, all >> of the above technologies are in the same business group at Adobe (not sure >> about Flash). >> >> Or perhaps there should be separate groups for Adobe Enterprise >> Solutions? Being a person who is across all of those technologies is scary >> stuff and a huge learning curve in some instances, if you don't know SOA >> terminology. >> >> I know 4 out of 5 of the technologies, briefly touched on Flash back the >> late 90's. Knew LiveCycle 7, LiveCycle 8 ES has been totally rebuilt to >> target the SOA market with Flex/AIR/AJAX/PDF front and back ends. The issue >> is that Adobe don't have an ESB, any ideas out there? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Rae >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Nice move, >>> >>> I think that this should happen in Vic also. In fact the Flash / Flex / >>> CF >>> UG should become one. Especially the CF / Flex stuff, there is a lot of >>> cross benefit there for both sides. >>> >>> Who knows might happen, the Flex UG Manager was at the CF UG this month >>> :) >>> >>> Regards >>> Dale Fraser >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Chris Velevitch >>> Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 5:37 PM >>> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they >>> looking for new people? >>> >>> >>> The NSW CFUG is about to merge with Sydney Flash Platform Developers >>> to become Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney. The next meeting is on >>> Monday (RSVP and details on http://apugs2008april.eventbrite.com) >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Eliseo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > In that case can someone point me in the direction of the Sydney >>> > CFUG? ;) >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris >>> -- >>> Chris Velevitch >>> Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney >>> m: 0415 469 095 >>> www.flashdev.org.au >>> >>> Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney >>> April meeting: Setting Fire To Your Community >>> Date: Mon 28th April 6pm for 6:30 start >>> Details and RSVP on http://apugs2008april.eventbrite.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > well, I don't necessarily disagree with you, Scott, but we are perhaps > saying the same thing but from two different viewpoints. Yup :) hehe. > > > the idea of having different user groups is just having a core > technology "hat" to hang on. In the case of the CFUG, ColdFusion is > the lowest common denominator on which to start. From there comes lots > of variations on a theme - other server products, application design, > project mgt and execution, software development practices, webserver > tuning, databases, etc. > Correct, it doesn't have to be "this is how you use PHP" sessions. More "We in PHP faced similiar problems most would face in CF, here are some design patterns that we find are useful, lets discuss the various SWOT around these approaches".. ie what value is being gained out of UG's right now and where do the community see room for improvements. I mean that openly and genuinely? > > For the Flex/AIR group, I'm there for the "Better business application > building". Others for graphics manipulation and filters, still others > for video and audio (FMS->Flex->Cocomo). don't forget, Scott, the > FlashPlatform group got you to do a presentation on Silverlight at > around the same time that most of the MSDN members hadn't even heard > of it Agreed. That doesn't make it the end though. I like those UG's and I do get some value out of it, but not a lot per say. I'll be openly honest that I think you guys could drive more numbers to the cause if you consider opening up the borders more. As when Evangelist for example our out on the street preeching the gospel of various branded technology, they don't go to the same crowd, they continue to branch out as much as they can to recruit. Point is, run a UG like a mini-club in many respects. Your job as UG Leads is to recruit, listen and repeat, survey your guests, get them to tell you what they want vs don't at the same time catchup with those whom haven't come along and ask "say, why don't you come along anymore?" - Maybe it's because I did show the group Silverlight! maybe that's bad! i don't know, but i think the brisbane ingredient is great, Richard, Darren and yourself are very passionate about the technology, I always have had fun there but what's next :) > > "I for one cannot consume enough around Adobe, Google, Mozilla, > Microsoft and even the various partners around the world of each > technology and what they are doing." > > being the alpha geek that you are (no disrespect in the term), that's > not the 80% of the CF coders who don't yet go to CFUG's [1]. for my > 2c, that's the real target and growth market for membership. > Maybeso, is that bad though? Alpha geeks can lend a lot to the story, why they give back (open question, don't expect an answer, but trial/error it a bit more and see what sticks?) > > Bottom line is you can't learn it all and be good at it. so you > triarge technologies and skills to what is relevant today [2] in your > job and which way you see the future going [3]. > I'd throw a rebuttle with "you don't know, what you don't know". Try it, if they dislike it, oh well revert. How does one innovate learning the same thing over and over? > > but in the end, it's not about the technology, it's about the people. > it's a "conversation" (as Trib would put it), and connections between > people. To bring this back to Eliseo (who's thread this is that you > and I are hijacking, Scott) it's about hearing someone is available > for work, and knowing other members who are looking. > > Exactly, it's about connectors and mavens to be on pulse with the industry line of thinking. I am going to buy you a book bazza, "The Tipping Point" as it's a very good read (I mean that in a sincere way, ie it's kind of the J2EE Design Patterns Catologue to community) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tipping_Point_(book) Let me throw some Questions out there for you to think about, and we can rationalise this a bit more if everyones keen (if not let it be is cool). - What value are you getting out of your current UG? - What would you like to see differently in your current UG? - What are some things you've seen succeed in your current UG? - What is a min and max amount of time one should spend at a UG? - What support is your current UG getting (loca/international business, brands etc)? - UG Leads How do you measure your successes and failures at present? - Do you think there should be a national UG lead who's job is to market the sub-ug's and ensure the overarching UG is embedded in various events throughout the year. - If you were say Apple and you had $10,000 to sponsor these UG's nationally, whom would they go to and where and how much would each UG recieve? I'm not looking to stir, just provoking some different perspective around the notion of UG's today as to be honest, I was just about to implement som
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
well, I don't necessarily disagree with you, Scott, but we are perhaps saying the same thing but from two different viewpoints. the idea of having different user groups is just having a core technology "hat" to hang on. In the case of the CFUG, ColdFusion is the lowest common denominator on which to start. From there comes lots of variations on a theme - other server products, application design, project mgt and execution, software development practices, webserver tuning, databases, etc. For the Flex/AIR group, I'm there for the "Better business application building". Others for graphics manipulation and filters, still others for video and audio (FMS->Flex->Cocomo). don't forget, Scott, the FlashPlatform group got you to do a presentation on Silverlight at around the same time that most of the MSDN members hadn't even heard of it "I for one cannot consume enough around Adobe, Google, Mozilla, Microsoft and even the various partners around the world of each technology and what they are doing." being the alpha geek that you are (no disrespect in the term), that's not the 80% of the CF coders who don't yet go to CFUG's [1]. for my 2c, that's the real target and growth market for membership. Bottom line is you can't learn it all and be good at it. so you triarge technologies and skills to what is relevant today [2] in your job and which way you see the future going [3]. but in the end, it's not about the technology, it's about the people. it's a "conversation" (as Trib would put it), and connections between people. To bring this back to Eliseo (who's thread this is that you and I are hijacking, Scott) it's about hearing someone is available for work, and knowing other members who are looking. [1] wild guess based on gut feeling. ymmv [2] managers and team leaders could be well served to insist their employees keep up to date with their skill set. Resting on the same knowledge that they used 4,5,6 years ago isn't doing anyone any favours: it's short-term thinking and holds the business back from progress and opportunities. Productivity lost on professional development is saved bigtime with better solutions. [3] I know an organisation that have the strategic plan to shrink CF in favour of .NET. Some of them think their VB6 skills will give them a head start into .Net 3.0 ... boy are they in for a rude shock... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
Barry, I disagree. I've probed people from Php, .NET, RoR, Flash, Silverlight, Java and even COBOL (lol).. I floated the notion that what would you prefer a technology focused group based around one brand, or a themed technology group that is based around many brands but adhere to the theme. I think we are in a new age of technology adoption, the 2002 days of one team vs another is pretty much getting behind us. I for one cannot consume enough around Adobe, Google, Mozilla, Microsoft and even the various partners around the world of each technology and what they are doing. I'd propose and again this is a running thought that you all consider a third option and focus in on themes. eg: "Enterprise LOB User Group" - "How to go from Documents to Digital, a technology oversight". Then various entities from various slices in technology (livecycle, sharepoint, hummingbird etc" all get up and throw some possible solutions and theories out there on the floor for others to pick over. I'd wager strongly that you all would grow not only way more mature in your technology focus, but you'll gain appreciation for various other ways to problem solve and then draw on that experience to make your preferred technology better. The worst successful FUD was the notion that people will drop a technology tomorrow and adopt a new one tomorrow overnight, that isn't true. It takes months if not years to ramp up to a technology and usually the older we get, the more firmly planted we are in what we know and trust - thus I work for Microsoft and use Coldfusion (years of using it has left me still trusting it.) my 2c. On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > totally honest answer? > > occasionally it's very good (over two doz), but most of the time, it's > poor - for both. On those poor occasions, add both together and it'd > be up to good. > > but there's the problem - throw the Flex stuff in with the CF and the > .Net and PHP'ers would wonder why they were there. > > but the really important number is, to be honest, the number of active > members - people willing to put up their hand, or make suggestions and > then follow through, or even religiously turning up. and those > particular numbers are very poor. in all honesty. > > I suspect that it's just Brisbane but it has to be a special event - > something they're particularly interested in - for bulk people to > bother. > > and in a way it's like kids sport on the weekend. Some parents throw > the kids out the car as they try to escape as fast as they can, while > others are always at the oval volunteering as goal umpires, > timekeeper, linesmen or water carriers. Our little AFL team couldn't > play this season without a manager - the wife volunteered eventually, > the only one that bothered replying to the coach's email. > > the place I'm just about to finish up at - half a dozen CF'ers - not > one has been to a CFUG, not one has heard of WebDU (that's a story in > itself). I asked one today how they kept their ProfDev up, kept their > skills current basically they don't. Because there;s been loose > talk about using a framework at the place, I sent them a link to > Mandel's Transfer Breezo tomorrow (2.00pm, BTW - check his site). I > don't think they've seen a Connect presentation either. People on this > list have (generally, gut feeling) so much more current skill than a > lot of CF'ers who aren't on this list. Forgvie me for stating the > obvious but staying still is actually going backwards - there's such a > thing as progress, ready to send the unwary the same direction as > COBOL programmers. > > here endith the sermon. > > > > -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
I in part agree with Rae, that maybe the groups could do with an overhaul, in that are you being to fragmented? or is that a good thing? maybe a Australia wide survey would be in order .. I also think that to isolate in on one technology maybe limiting in some parts - hear me out. In that should consolidate more around themes vs technology specifics, eg: "RIA, Enterprise LOB, Branded Experiences etc" where is it all heading and what are the moving parts found within the belly of this beast. In that if you all come together as one entity over a theme, the technology influence will happen naturally and it's less "religion" and more "state". Floating a thought is all.. On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Rae Buerckner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You really need to add LiveCycle ES to that, contact me for Syd & Vic > contacts to help you with groups, I can get you LiveCycle people. My head > hurts because of an EOI I am responding to that pretty much calls for > Flash/Flex/AIR/CF/LiveCycle ES, for an SOA implementation. > > All people in the above tech arena's should be playing together now, all of > the above technologies are in the same business group at Adobe (not sure > about Flash). > > Or perhaps there should be separate groups for Adobe Enterprise Solutions? > Being a person who is across all of those technologies is scary stuff and a > huge learning curve in some instances, if you don't know SOA terminology. > > I know 4 out of 5 of the technologies, briefly touched on Flash back the > late 90's. Knew LiveCycle 7, LiveCycle 8 ES has been totally rebuilt to > target the SOA market with Flex/AIR/AJAX/PDF front and back ends. The issue > is that Adobe don't have an ESB, any ideas out there? > > Cheers, > > Rae > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> Nice move, >> >> I think that this should happen in Vic also. In fact the Flash / Flex / CF >> UG should become one. Especially the CF / Flex stuff, there is a lot of >> cross benefit there for both sides. >> >> Who knows might happen, the Flex UG Manager was at the CF UG this month :) >> >> Regards >> Dale Fraser >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf >> Of Chris Velevitch >> Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 5:37 PM >> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com >> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they >> looking for new people? >> >> >> The NSW CFUG is about to merge with Sydney Flash Platform Developers >> to become Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney. The next meeting is on >> Monday (RSVP and details on http://apugs2008april.eventbrite.com) >> >> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Eliseo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > >> > In that case can someone point me in the direction of the Sydney >> > CFUG? ;) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris >> -- >> Chris Velevitch >> Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney >> m: 0415 469 095 >> www.flashdev.org.au >> >> Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney >> April meeting: Setting Fire To Your Community >> Date: Mon 28th April 6pm for 6:30 start >> Details and RSVP on http://apugs2008april.eventbrite.com/ >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
totally honest answer? occasionally it's very good (over two doz), but most of the time, it's poor - for both. On those poor occasions, add both together and it'd be up to good. but there's the problem - throw the Flex stuff in with the CF and the .Net and PHP'ers would wonder why they were there. but the really important number is, to be honest, the number of active members - people willing to put up their hand, or make suggestions and then follow through, or even religiously turning up. and those particular numbers are very poor. in all honesty. I suspect that it's just Brisbane but it has to be a special event - something they're particularly interested in - for bulk people to bother. and in a way it's like kids sport on the weekend. Some parents throw the kids out the car as they try to escape as fast as they can, while others are always at the oval volunteering as goal umpires, timekeeper, linesmen or water carriers. Our little AFL team couldn't play this season without a manager - the wife volunteered eventually, the only one that bothered replying to the coach's email. the place I'm just about to finish up at - half a dozen CF'ers - not one has been to a CFUG, not one has heard of WebDU (that's a story in itself). I asked one today how they kept their ProfDev up, kept their skills current basically they don't. Because there;s been loose talk about using a framework at the place, I sent them a link to Mandel's Transfer Breezo tomorrow (2.00pm, BTW - check his site). I don't think they've seen a Connect presentation either. People on this list have (generally, gut feeling) so much more current skill than a lot of CF'ers who aren't on this list. Forgvie me for stating the obvious but staying still is actually going backwards - there's such a thing as progress, ready to send the unwary the same direction as COBOL programmers. here endith the sermon. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
How does the Flex vs CF groups compare numbers wise? Regards Dale Fraser -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 10:04 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people? > I think that this should happen in Vic also. every area is different, it comes down to what the users want: a story: in the latter half of 2006, Brisbane found itself faced with a situation where lots of Flex and AIR interest was "infiltrating" the multimedia-based user group (QMUG) and the CFUG. While the multimedia (Dw,Ps, Pr, Ae,Fl, Dr, etc) one wasn't the best to dive into the details of Actionscript coding, the CFUG too (while it had commonality with application design) also wasn't the best fit. This was judged at the time by the UG managers and the more proactive members across the origional two groups (each group having long histories of 7+ years) This is why Richard Turner-Jones and I took the chance to juggle things to create a third - a "FlashPlatform" one. Fast forward to today where we have more ASP.NET and PHP coders interested in Flex and AIR than CFUG'ers. sure it's hard work having three groups. and attendances could always be better (it was a risk to split the audience, effectively forcing members to attend potentially two groups a month) but it now gives the freedome for the CFUG to persue LiveCycle and application development practices, the QMUG to concentrate on new digital media the FlashPlatform group to ride the Flex and AIR wave. the .NET and PHP membership of the FlashPlatform group is an attempt to reach out to a wider community - in much the same way that was suggested in that war'n'peace thread here a short while ago. most of us here have a huge investment in the Adobe Technology stack, and we'd like to know our investment is in good hands. As part of the Adobe "environment" we're faced with twin challenges of a lot of width (from design tools to enterprise server products) and an immature company still finding it's feet**. three user groups in one city the size of Brisbane is a gamble, sure. but until there's a groundswell of large numbers of proactive members suggest otherwise and willing to roll up the sleeves, it's an experiment we're prepared to run a bit longer. but your milage may vary... eh my 2c. barry.b ** I stand by this statement: sure Adobe has been around for years, but this is now Adobe Mk2, and the dust has yet to settle fully. Good omlettes still need to break eggs. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
> I think that this should happen in Vic also. every area is different, it comes down to what the users want: a story: in the latter half of 2006, Brisbane found itself faced with a situation where lots of Flex and AIR interest was "infiltrating" the multimedia-based user group (QMUG) and the CFUG. While the multimedia (Dw,Ps, Pr, Ae,Fl, Dr, etc) one wasn't the best to dive into the details of Actionscript coding, the CFUG too (while it had commonality with application design) also wasn't the best fit. This was judged at the time by the UG managers and the more proactive members across the origional two groups (each group having long histories of 7+ years) This is why Richard Turner-Jones and I took the chance to juggle things to create a third - a "FlashPlatform" one. Fast forward to today where we have more ASP.NET and PHP coders interested in Flex and AIR than CFUG'ers. sure it's hard work having three groups. and attendances could always be better (it was a risk to split the audience, effectively forcing members to attend potentially two groups a month) but it now gives the freedome for the CFUG to persue LiveCycle and application development practices, the QMUG to concentrate on new digital media the FlashPlatform group to ride the Flex and AIR wave. the .NET and PHP membership of the FlashPlatform group is an attempt to reach out to a wider community - in much the same way that was suggested in that war'n'peace thread here a short while ago. most of us here have a huge investment in the Adobe Technology stack, and we'd like to know our investment is in good hands. As part of the Adobe "environment" we're faced with twin challenges of a lot of width (from design tools to enterprise server products) and an immature company still finding it's feet**. three user groups in one city the size of Brisbane is a gamble, sure. but until there's a groundswell of large numbers of proactive members suggest otherwise and willing to roll up the sleeves, it's an experiment we're prepared to run a bit longer. but your milage may vary... eh my 2c. barry.b ** I stand by this statement: sure Adobe has been around for years, but this is now Adobe Mk2, and the dust has yet to settle fully. Good omlettes still need to break eggs. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
You really need to add LiveCycle ES to that, contact me for Syd & Vic contacts to help you with groups, I can get you LiveCycle people. My head hurts because of an EOI I am responding to that pretty much calls for Flash/Flex/AIR/CF/LiveCycle ES, for an SOA implementation. All people in the above tech arena's should be playing together now, all of the above technologies are in the same business group at Adobe (not sure about Flash). Or perhaps there should be separate groups for Adobe Enterprise Solutions? Being a person who is across all of those technologies is scary stuff and a huge learning curve in some instances, if you don't know SOA terminology. I know 4 out of 5 of the technologies, briefly touched on Flash back the late 90's. Knew LiveCycle 7, LiveCycle 8 ES has been totally rebuilt to target the SOA market with Flex/AIR/AJAX/PDF front and back ends. The issue is that Adobe don't have an ESB, any ideas out there? Cheers, Rae On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nice move, > > I think that this should happen in Vic also. In fact the Flash / Flex / CF > UG should become one. Especially the CF / Flex stuff, there is a lot of > cross benefit there for both sides. > > Who knows might happen, the Flex UG Manager was at the CF UG this month :) > > Regards > Dale Fraser > > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > Of Chris Velevitch > Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 5:37 PM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they > looking for new people? > > > The NSW CFUG is about to merge with Sydney Flash Platform Developers > to become Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney. The next meeting is on > Monday (RSVP and details on http://apugs2008april.eventbrite.com) > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Eliseo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > In that case can someone point me in the direction of the Sydney > > CFUG? ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Chris > -- > Chris Velevitch > Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney > m: 0415 469 095 > www.flashdev.org.au > > Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney > April meeting: Setting Fire To Your Community > Date: Mon 28th April 6pm for 6:30 start > Details and RSVP on http://apugs2008april.eventbrite.com/ > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
Nice move, I think that this should happen in Vic also. In fact the Flash / Flex / CF UG should become one. Especially the CF / Flex stuff, there is a lot of cross benefit there for both sides. Who knows might happen, the Flex UG Manager was at the CF UG this month :) Regards Dale Fraser -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2008 5:37 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people? The NSW CFUG is about to merge with Sydney Flash Platform Developers to become Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney. The next meeting is on Monday (RSVP and details on http://apugs2008april.eventbrite.com) On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Eliseo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In that case can someone point me in the direction of the Sydney > CFUG? ;) > > > > > > > -- Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney April meeting: Setting Fire To Your Community Date: Mon 28th April 6pm for 6:30 start Details and RSVP on http://apugs2008april.eventbrite.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
The NSW CFUG is about to merge with Sydney Flash Platform Developers to become Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney. The next meeting is on Monday (RSVP and details on http://apugs2008april.eventbrite.com) On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Eliseo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In that case can someone point me in the direction of the Sydney > CFUG? ;) > > > > > > > -- Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney April meeting: Setting Fire To Your Community Date: Mon 28th April 6pm for 6:30 start Details and RSVP on http://apugs2008april.eventbrite.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
monthly meeting is generally advertised on this list each month. google would be ya best bet or contact Robin (who is on this list) his site is www.rocketboots.com.au (think I spelt that right) cheers M@ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
In that case can someone point me in the direction of the Sydney CFUG? ;) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
One other point - M@ has a way with just slamming a point right between the eyes, and that's why we deported him to the UK, that and he's just having way to much fun there - is to *buddy up.* Don't do this alone, find your local CFUG and get them to help you, as in the end they'll gain a storm trooper in the CF Battles :) and if the CFUG ditches you, well that's just bloody poor form (highly doubt that will ever happen). There is never a bad developer, just bad teachers and/or students with bad attitudes :) eheh On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:24 PM, M@ Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >when I was first interviewed some two years ago by Gruden, > MX had only just come out, > > this is why you shouldn't post so much on a public mailing list, MX has > been around now for about 7 years (or at least the beta??) not 2. > I agree totally with what Scott said. > Also look at it this way, people from all these companies you mentioned > are on this list. > now if I was a competitor with say Gruden for example and I wanted to have > a better team of Ninja's I wouldn't look at these posts and go "well gruden > don't want him maybe we should take him", its not logical. > if you sound to desperate it will sound like something is wrong with your > skill set/references that your not mentioning. just let people know your > looking for a job and leave it at that. > spend less time whinging and more time gaining new skills. > most frame works out there you can brush up on in an hour. > spend some time getting a basic grasp of the top 4 frameworks. > > when a new version of CF comes out (preferably in the beta stage) grab a > copy and in your own time (don't expect to only work when you employer is > paying you, your employer won't be in your next job interview) build a > little personal project for yourself that only you will ever see but uses > every single tag and function so that way ya know exactly what is there and > what they do etc. > > Hope those tips help, just remember this is a public list, odds are in > your next interview the person sitting across from you has read this list > etc. > > "There would need to > be fairly exceptional circumstances for us to consider such a > candidate." > > why not write back (politely) and say "hi, that was 2 years ago, since > then I've become a super ninja and have solidly been OO'ing and using XYZ > frameworks etc etc." > and if you haven't take it as friendly advice from them and get cracking > improving on your weaknesses, that's the fun thing about this industry, > finding out your weaknesses and improving on them then reaping the rewards. > > best of luck > M@ > > > > > -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
>when I was first interviewed some two years ago by Gruden, MX had only just come out, this is why you shouldn't post so much on a public mailing list, MX has been around now for about 7 years (or at least the beta??) not 2. I agree totally with what Scott said. Also look at it this way, people from all these companies you mentioned are on this list. now if I was a competitor with say Gruden for example and I wanted to have a better team of Ninja's I wouldn't look at these posts and go "well gruden don't want him maybe we should take him", its not logical. if you sound to desperate it will sound like something is wrong with your skill set/references that your not mentioning. just let people know your looking for a job and leave it at that. spend less time whinging and more time gaining new skills. most frame works out there you can brush up on in an hour. spend some time getting a basic grasp of the top 4 frameworks. when a new version of CF comes out (preferably in the beta stage) grab a copy and in your own time (don't expect to only work when you employer is paying you, your employer won't be in your next job interview) build a little personal project for yourself that only you will ever see but uses every single tag and function so that way ya know exactly what is there and what they do etc. Hope those tips help, just remember this is a public list, odds are in your next interview the person sitting across from you has read this list etc. "There would need to be fairly exceptional circumstances for us to consider such a candidate." why not write back (politely) and say "hi, that was 2 years ago, since then I've become a super ninja and have solidly been OO'ing and using XYZ frameworks etc etc." and if you haven't take it as friendly advice from them and get cracking improving on your weaknesses, that's the fun thing about this industry, finding out your weaknesses and improving on them then reaping the rewards. best of luck M@ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
ROTFLMAO Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 9015 8628 Mobile: 0404 998 273 From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 12:24 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people? Hey that's actually a really good idea. No we are about to... drum roll.. upgrade the start button to be more like a fisheye dock style menu.. its original thinking on our part, and we are proud of it ;) hehehe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
Hey that's actually a really good idea. No we are about to... drum roll.. upgrade the start button to be more like a fisheye dock style menu.. its original thinking on our part, and we are proud of it ;) hehehe On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Ryan Sabir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hey all i can say is my resume owns.. i mean.. am i not in at > Microsoft helping set the direction of two of our biggest flagship products > since Windows :) > > Don't tell me they are upgrading Notepad and MS Paint?? Awesome! :P > > >Ryan Sabir > Technical Director > > *p:* (02) 9274 8030 > *f:* (02) 9274 8099 > *m:* 0411 512 454 > *w:* www.newgency.com *Newgency Pty Ltd* > Web | Multimedia | eMarketing > > 115 Cooper St > Surry Hills NSW 2010 > Sydney, Australia > > > > > > -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
> hey all i can say is my resume owns.. i mean.. am i not in at Microsoft > helping set the direction of two of our biggest flagship products since > Windows :) Don't tell me they are upgrading Notepad and MS Paint?? Awesome! :P Ryan Sabir Technical Director p: (02) 9274 8030 f: (02) 9274 8099 m: 0411 512 454 w: www.newgency.comNewgency Pty Ltd Web | Multimedia | eMarketing 115 Cooper St Surry Hills NSW 2010 Sydney, Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
hey all i can say is my resume owns.. i mean.. am i not in at Microsoft helping set the direction of two of our biggest flagship products since Windows :) :D hehehe. On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:05 PM, barry.b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [at the risk of suggesting this thread might be better off on the > cfjobs list instead of here ...] > > @Scott > > "keep applying and market your resume like a product." > > yeah, that's good advice. "New Improved candidate with extra VOOM! 30% > less fat than last time". I must admit mine is pretty dull and > boring ... funny thing is though, Scott, it was using your resume as a > template... > (talk about "Pulp Fiction" - just trying to cash in on the mesmorising > capabilities it seemed to hold over employers ...) > > then again, only once in the last 5 jobs has been off a resume instead > of word of mouth ... and two directly because of attending CFUG's ... > > sadly, it's still a case of who you know... and a good number of jobs > out there never get advertised... (which is the trigger for this > thread I guess) > > > > > > > > > -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
[at the risk of suggesting this thread might be better off on the cfjobs list instead of here ...] @Scott "keep applying and market your resume like a product." yeah, that's good advice. "New Improved candidate with extra VOOM! 30% less fat than last time". I must admit mine is pretty dull and boring ... funny thing is though, Scott, it was using your resume as a template... (talk about "Pulp Fiction" - just trying to cash in on the mesmorising capabilities it seemed to hold over employers ...) then again, only once in the last 5 jobs has been off a resume instead of word of mouth ... and two directly because of attending CFUG's ... sadly, it's still a case of who you know... and a good number of jobs out there never get advertised... (which is the trigger for this thread I guess) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
Eliseo, I apologise I misinterpreted the message. I also didn't mean it in that context but simply talking about your job hunt on a public mailing list and the various experiences you've had whilst doing it was more to the point probably not wise. I could also be wrong. Scott. On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Eliseo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Scott, > > I'm not bagging out Gruden... believe me on that, they're a good > company, but I find their recent reason for not proceeding unusual... > but that's their decision... > > As to Daemon, I wouldn't dare bag them out, so I honestly have no idea > how you derived that... Daemon are a great company and Geoff just > informed me yesterday that they had just filled a position and won't > be taking anyone on until later, so I can't do much about that. I can > accept that... > > There are many companies out there that are fantastic, Gruden and > Daemon are two such companies... and I wouldn't dare do anything to > put them in disrepute... Just trying to find a company that hasn't > interviewed me or that I haven't submitted to as yet is the challenge > at this point ;) LOL > > > and looking for a job isn't the most fun in the world, stress is high, > money is tight and career > > compass at times gets stuck on north... > > This is very true... I hope I won't have to be in this position for > very long... > > Eliseo > > > > PS: Dale, when I was first interviewed some two years ago by Gruden, > MX had only just come out, and I knew nothing about CFCs as it simply > wasn't required in my situation back then... This time around, whereby > my experience has improved now, and my knowledge of CF has increased > considerably, my application didn't even go to first interview phase, > so I'll let that be and move on. They appear to be quite adamant about > their decision, and I won't contest that, I'll respect it and see what > else there is out there :) But I will take your advice and ensure that > I demonstrate my knowledge about it now. Thanks! > > > -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
Scott, I'm not bagging out Gruden... believe me on that, they're a good company, but I find their recent reason for not proceeding unusual... but that's their decision... As to Daemon, I wouldn't dare bag them out, so I honestly have no idea how you derived that... Daemon are a great company and Geoff just informed me yesterday that they had just filled a position and won't be taking anyone on until later, so I can't do much about that. I can accept that... There are many companies out there that are fantastic, Gruden and Daemon are two such companies... and I wouldn't dare do anything to put them in disrepute... Just trying to find a company that hasn't interviewed me or that I haven't submitted to as yet is the challenge at this point ;) LOL > and looking for a job isn't the most fun in the world, stress is high, money > is tight and career > compass at times gets stuck on north... This is very true... I hope I won't have to be in this position for very long... Eliseo PS: Dale, when I was first interviewed some two years ago by Gruden, MX had only just come out, and I knew nothing about CFCs as it simply wasn't required in my situation back then... This time around, whereby my experience has improved now, and my knowledge of CF has increased considerably, my application didn't even go to first interview phase, so I'll let that be and move on. They appear to be quite adamant about their decision, and I won't contest that, I'll respect it and see what else there is out there :) But I will take your advice and ensure that I demonstrate my knowledge about it now. Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
Can you demonstrate that you know OO techniques and have used frameworks? If so plead your case, if not start learning. There are a lot of people who have never used CFC's who don't understand inheritance or interfaces and think they don't need to because they can do what they want now. Companies such as Gruden will not hire such people. You need to be able to talk about these things and more importantly demonstrate sites and code where you have used them. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eliseo Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 9:27 AM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people? Okay, something weird here... Just heard back from Gruden, and they decided they did not wish to proceed with my application based on the following: "We generally do not hire any candidates if they have unsuccessfully applied for a position within Gruden in the past. There would need to be fairly exceptional circumstances for us to consider such a candidate. We have interviewed yourself in the past and decided that you were not suitable for the role following further investigation of your Coldfusion skills. Specifically, the more advanced concepts and methodologies such as Object Oriented Programming, frameworks and CFMX7 experience." The last time they interviewed me was some two or so years ago... My CF experience has changed dramatically since two years ago for the better. I find that kinda strange... Any thoughts? :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
Interesting, it's not a tactic i'd go for in terms of not interviewing a candidate again simply because they failed to make the cut last time. People change, experiences grow and in the end the top 5% of the developers out there aren't looking for jobs, as well they are the top 5% :) Anyway, Gruden and Daemon aren't dumb by any stretch, quite the opposite so there must be a reason and i'd probably think airing this kind of thing on a mailing list isn't going to do you an favours, as you could scare of future companies whom might be interested in looking at your resume, but fear that should they say no, you'll embarass them here. My advice is simple, keep applying and market your resume like a product. A company is about to put down a lease on you for $60k+ a year, and what are the features and benefits that you will bring to the table. Sell yourself as a great investment, not just an employee. P.S I wouldn't punish anyone for bad interview skills, or post-interview skills.. in the end these are peoples livelyhoods and looking for a job isn't the most fun in the world, stress is high, money is tight and career compass at times gets stuck on north... On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Eliseo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I thought Sydney was the hot spot for CF jobs, Melbourne less so and > > Adelaide would be near impossible. So does this mean that Sydney is > > slowing down on CF jobs now? Are all these "CF is on the way out" > > comments becoming true? I wonder if Daemon dabble outside of CF? > > Matthew, it's slowing down, and all the CF roles that are out there > are ones I've applied to previously! Some clients are unfortunately > very picky and know what they want... I can't really twist their > arm... > > Then again most of them seem to be with the same places... so why > apply to the same one over and over? > > > > -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
> I thought Sydney was the hot spot for CF jobs, Melbourne less so and > Adelaide would be near impossible. So does this mean that Sydney is > slowing down on CF jobs now? Are all these "CF is on the way out" > comments becoming true? I wonder if Daemon dabble outside of CF? Matthew, it's slowing down, and all the CF roles that are out there are ones I've applied to previously! Some clients are unfortunately very picky and know what they want... I can't really twist their arm... Then again most of them seem to be with the same places... so why apply to the same one over and over? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
Okay, something weird here... Just heard back from Gruden, and they decided they did not wish to proceed with my application based on the following: "We generally do not hire any candidates if they have unsuccessfully applied for a position within Gruden in the past. There would need to be fairly exceptional circumstances for us to consider such a candidate. We have interviewed yourself in the past and decided that you were not suitable for the role following further investigation of your Coldfusion skills. Specifically, the more advanced concepts and methodologies such as Object Oriented Programming, frameworks and CFMX7 experience." The last time they interviewed me was some two or so years ago... My CF experience has changed dramatically since two years ago for the better. I find that kinda strange... Any thoughts? :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
Steve, Amen to that... I was hired by Commander a yer ago due to my creative approaches to resolving previous difficult technical situations in other roles. I'm an analyst by nature. I analyze, look for patterns and do what I can to resolve them... My wife has compared me to Dr House; saying that I too, suffer from the Rubik's complex... always wanting to solve the puzzle... And Dale, it's amazing that companies say that they are having difficulty with finding good people... BackCreative and iTouch are still looking for roles to be filled since January, but won't take me in because I've been previously represented... This is an example... there are a few other companies in this situation where I am concerned... If they are that desperate to get someone in, they should contact the first recruiter that put me forward and arrange an interview... I work hard and I know that I can do the work as I've done it previously... Unfortunately, some clients are a little to proud to admit that they need someone they decided not to go with the previous time... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
So what entails a "good" developer? I thought Sydney was the hot spot for CF jobs, Melbourne less so and Adelaide would be near impossible. So does this mean that Sydney is slowing down on CF jobs now? Are all these "CF is on the way out" comments becoming true? I wonder if Daemon dabble outside of CF? On Apr 22, 6:30 pm, "Steve Onnis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think its more its hard to get GOOD developers > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of Dale Fraser > Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 6:11 PM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they > looking for new people? > > Isn't it funny employers say its hard to get developers and developers say > its hard to get work. > > On 4/22/08, Eliseo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dale, > > > Already tried that... Seek have recycled through multiple recruiters > > the same jobs over the last 3 months. I know because I had applied for > > most of these roles not long after being made redundant by Commander > > in late January... ;) LOL > > > I say "most" as the remaining roles are interstate... and I doubt my > > wife could handle me being away, not to mention it would also mean > > having to arrange accommodation etc... > > > But I'll give another crack at Gruden though... > > > ~ Eliseo > > > On Apr 22, 4:30 pm, "Dale Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Have you tried seek? > > > > Seem to be a lot of jobs in there? > > > > Regards > > > > Dale Fraser > > > > <http://learncf.com/>http://learncf.com > > > > <http://flexcf.com/>http://flexcf.com > > > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On > > Behalf > > > Of Rae Buerckner > > > Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 4:02 PM > > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are > > > they looking for new people? > > > >http://www.gruden.com.au/index.cfm/p/jobs > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:49 PM, barry.b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > I'm in Brisbane so the jobs I know of will be no use to you... > > > > > I'd post on CFJobs, but the activity is so slow there, responses > > > > from there is unlikely... > > > > I'm not so sure about that. I wonder how many cfaussie ppl are NOT > > > on cfjobs as well? if ppl are long term employees then perhaps not, > > > although all it takes is the boss to ask them to throw a job up and > > > they sign up. > > > > I know that cfjobs is just for announcing positions vacant - I > > > wonder if cfjobs would have more value to be the discussion about > > > jobs going, working conditions, remuneration, recruiters and > > > recruting, training and upskilling, qualifications and > > > certification, etc (some of these topics have appeared here by > > > default - I wonder if they might be best served on a revamped cfjobs > > > list instead of this list?) > > > > talked to any recruiters about short-term contracts? sometimes you > > > can get offered a permanant position because of this (see how well > > > you work, get used to the place, etc). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
I think its more its hard to get GOOD developers -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 6:11 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people? Isn't it funny employers say its hard to get developers and developers say its hard to get work. On 4/22/08, Eliseo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dale, > > Already tried that... Seek have recycled through multiple recruiters > the same jobs over the last 3 months. I know because I had applied for > most of these roles not long after being made redundant by Commander > in late January... ;) LOL > > I say "most" as the remaining roles are interstate... and I doubt my > wife could handle me being away, not to mention it would also mean > having to arrange accommodation etc... > > But I'll give another crack at Gruden though... > > ~ Eliseo > > On Apr 22, 4:30 pm, "Dale Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Have you tried seek? > > > > Seem to be a lot of jobs in there? > > > > Regards > > > > Dale Fraser > > > > <http://learncf.com/>http://learncf.com > > > > <http://flexcf.com/>http://flexcf.com > > > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On > Behalf > > Of Rae Buerckner > > Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 4:02 PM > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are > > they looking for new people? > > > > http://www.gruden.com.au/index.cfm/p/jobs > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:49 PM, barry.b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm in Brisbane so the jobs I know of will be no use to you... > > > > > I'd post on CFJobs, but the activity is so slow there, responses > > > from there is unlikely... > > > > I'm not so sure about that. I wonder how many cfaussie ppl are NOT > > on cfjobs as well? if ppl are long term employees then perhaps not, > > although all it takes is the boss to ask them to throw a job up and > > they sign up. > > > > I know that cfjobs is just for announcing positions vacant - I > > wonder if cfjobs would have more value to be the discussion about > > jobs going, working conditions, remuneration, recruiters and > > recruting, training and upskilling, qualifications and > > certification, etc (some of these topics have appeared here by > > default - I wonder if they might be best served on a revamped cfjobs > > list instead of this list?) > > > > talked to any recruiters about short-term contracts? sometimes you > > can get offered a permanant position because of this (see how well > > you work, get used to the place, etc). > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
Isn't it funny employers say its hard to get developers and developers say its hard to get work. On 4/22/08, Eliseo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dale, > > Already tried that... Seek have recycled through multiple recruiters > the same jobs over the last 3 months. I know because I had applied for > most of these roles not long after being made redundant by Commander > in late January... ;) LOL > > I say "most" as the remaining roles are interstate... and I doubt my > wife could handle me being away, not to mention it would also mean > having to arrange accommodation etc... > > But I'll give another crack at Gruden though... > > ~ Eliseo > > On Apr 22, 4:30 pm, "Dale Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Have you tried seek? > > > > Seem to be a lot of jobs in there? > > > > Regards > > > > Dale Fraser > > > > <http://learncf.com/>http://learncf.com > > > > <http://flexcf.com/>http://flexcf.com > > > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > > Of Rae Buerckner > > Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 4:02 PM > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they > > looking for new people? > > > > http://www.gruden.com.au/index.cfm/p/jobs > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:49 PM, barry.b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm in Brisbane so the jobs I know of will be no use to you... > > > > > I'd post on CFJobs, but the activity is so slow there, > > > responses from there is unlikely... > > > > I'm not so sure about that. I wonder how many cfaussie ppl are NOT on > > cfjobs as well? if ppl are long term employees then perhaps not, > > although all it takes is the boss to ask them to throw a job up and > > they sign up. > > > > I know that cfjobs is just for announcing positions vacant - I wonder > > if cfjobs would have more value to be the discussion about jobs going, > > working conditions, remuneration, recruiters and recruting, training > > and upskilling, qualifications and certification, etc (some of these > > topics have appeared here by default - I wonder if they might be best > > served on a revamped cfjobs list instead of this list?) > > > > talked to any recruiters about short-term contracts? sometimes you can > > get offered a permanant position because of this (see how well you > > work, get used to the place, etc). > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
Dale, Already tried that... Seek have recycled through multiple recruiters the same jobs over the last 3 months. I know because I had applied for most of these roles not long after being made redundant by Commander in late January... ;) LOL I say "most" as the remaining roles are interstate... and I doubt my wife could handle me being away, not to mention it would also mean having to arrange accommodation etc... But I'll give another crack at Gruden though... ~ Eliseo On Apr 22, 4:30 pm, "Dale Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you tried seek? > > Seem to be a lot of jobs in there? > > Regards > > Dale Fraser > > <http://learncf.com/>http://learncf.com > > <http://flexcf.com/>http://flexcf.com > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Rae Buerckner > Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 4:02 PM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they > looking for new people? > > http://www.gruden.com.au/index.cfm/p/jobs > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:49 PM, barry.b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm in Brisbane so the jobs I know of will be no use to you... > > > I'd post on CFJobs, but the activity is so slow there, > > responses from there is unlikely... > > I'm not so sure about that. I wonder how many cfaussie ppl are NOT on > cfjobs as well? if ppl are long term employees then perhaps not, > although all it takes is the boss to ask them to throw a job up and > they sign up. > > I know that cfjobs is just for announcing positions vacant - I wonder > if cfjobs would have more value to be the discussion about jobs going, > working conditions, remuneration, recruiters and recruting, training > and upskilling, qualifications and certification, etc (some of these > topics have appeared here by default - I wonder if they might be best > served on a revamped cfjobs list instead of this list?) > > talked to any recruiters about short-term contracts? sometimes you can > get offered a permanant position because of this (see how well you > work, get used to the place, etc). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
Have you tried seek? Seem to be a lot of jobs in there? Regards Dale Fraser <http://learncf.com/> http://learncf.com <http://flexcf.com/> http://flexcf.com From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rae Buerckner Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 4:02 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people? http://www.gruden.com.au/index.cfm/p/jobs On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:49 PM, barry.b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm in Brisbane so the jobs I know of will be no use to you... > I'd post on CFJobs, but the activity is so slow there, > responses from there is unlikely... I'm not so sure about that. I wonder how many cfaussie ppl are NOT on cfjobs as well? if ppl are long term employees then perhaps not, although all it takes is the boss to ask them to throw a job up and they sign up. I know that cfjobs is just for announcing positions vacant - I wonder if cfjobs would have more value to be the discussion about jobs going, working conditions, remuneration, recruiters and recruting, training and upskilling, qualifications and certification, etc (some of these topics have appeared here by default - I wonder if they might be best served on a revamped cfjobs list instead of this list?) talked to any recruiters about short-term contracts? sometimes you can get offered a permanant position because of this (see how well you work, get used to the place, etc). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
http://www.gruden.com.au/index.cfm/p/jobs On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:49 PM, barry.b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm in Brisbane so the jobs I know of will be no use to you... > > > I'd post on CFJobs, but the activity is so slow there, > > responses from there is unlikely... > > I'm not so sure about that. I wonder how many cfaussie ppl are NOT on > cfjobs as well? if ppl are long term employees then perhaps not, > although all it takes is the boss to ask them to throw a job up and > they sign up. > > I know that cfjobs is just for announcing positions vacant - I wonder > if cfjobs would have more value to be the discussion about jobs going, > working conditions, remuneration, recruiters and recruting, training > and upskilling, qualifications and certification, etc (some of these > topics have appeared here by default - I wonder if they might be best > served on a revamped cfjobs list instead of this list?) > > talked to any recruiters about short-term contracts? sometimes you can > get offered a permanant position because of this (see how well you > work, get used to the place, etc). > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
> Geoff, if you're around, are Daemon currently looking for anyone? For those playing at home, Geoff's gotten back to me... Thanks for the update... a pity there weren't any positions! I'm sure something will come up... ~ Eliseo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
Barry, I've tried that, and there's very little in short term contracts going here, save for roles I've previously applied to... I guess I could repeat the initial post in CFJobs as well and see how that pans out as well... ~ Eliseo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Who is working for whom in Sydney, and are they looking for new people?
I'm in Brisbane so the jobs I know of will be no use to you... > I'd post on CFJobs, but the activity is so slow there, > responses from there is unlikely... I'm not so sure about that. I wonder how many cfaussie ppl are NOT on cfjobs as well? if ppl are long term employees then perhaps not, although all it takes is the boss to ask them to throw a job up and they sign up. I know that cfjobs is just for announcing positions vacant - I wonder if cfjobs would have more value to be the discussion about jobs going, working conditions, remuneration, recruiters and recruting, training and upskilling, qualifications and certification, etc (some of these topics have appeared here by default - I wonder if they might be best served on a revamped cfjobs list instead of this list?) talked to any recruiters about short-term contracts? sometimes you can get offered a permanant position because of this (see how well you work, get used to the place, etc). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
