Re: [Chevelle-List] 400 Engines
No 400 small blocks were put into any 68-72 Chevelles...there may have been a SB 400 in a 73-75, but I'm not sure of that either. I know the 454 was available til late 1974. Kelly & Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
Re: [Chevelle-List] 400 Engines
I have never seen a 400 small block in a Chevelle. and I have never seen them listed in any of my reference books either. Rocky Hill My66SS http://www.geocities.com/rocks66ss --- richard a schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > tom > I'm not gonna bet the farm, and heavens knows at > my age I can't be sure > about much of anything. But it seems that over the > years its been > discussed at Chevelle tech and the consensus was > that the 400 small > block never made it to a chevelle - at least thru > 72.I checked the > engine codes for 69-72 at the Index of Years at > www.chevelles.com and > couldn't find anything for the 400. Also Dan Carrs > 68-72 Production > poster does not show a 400 except for the 70 Monte > Carlo. > > I agree with everything else you are saying. Also > in searching the > archive at TC I found that there was a 4 bbl 400 in > the impala. I posted > a question about this at Chevelle Tech, I can be > convinced so we'll see. > rick > > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:52:43 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > i am going to have to disagree with the fact that > small block 400 did not > come in Chevelles. i have seen several that have. > They were available > in 70-73 Chevelles. The casting number is 3951511, > the same engine was > also in 75-80 trucks. This is were GM got a little > goofy in the 1971 > model year. The 396 name was kept but the engine > displaced 402 cid. > There were 2 400 engines in 1970, one small block, > one big block. The > small block was only available in the 2 bbl carb > setup. the 400 big > block was a 4 bbl engine. the 400 big block was > actually a 396/402 but > was "Marketed" as a 400 4 bbl engine for some reason > and it was only in > trucks from what i understand. > > Tom __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
>Kelly, in all that I have looked for the LS6 and LS7 is no longer available unless some dealers are hiding them >from us :-). The highest horsepower 454 crate engine sold that i know of is 454/425. I'll check into this, I >have some people I can call. I knew that GM wasn't selling any more of them...haven't since the late seventies as far as I can remember. I know they pop onto ebay once in awhile, but then you're never guaranteed they're real. Kelly & Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
[Chevelle-List] Show and tell
Hi All, Well it was kind of a crappy week and I wasn't much in the mood for a car show but a new dyno shop was having an open house, show and offering $15.00 chassis dyno pulls so I drug out the Chevelle, cleaned it up and headed out. The show was mostly import cars but I found new respect for these things when I saw a Celica Supra put down 670 H.P. to the ground (the thing looked stock,very scary). There wasn't much competition in the domestic class so I picked up first place, a nice trophy and $125.00 I wasn't expecting. Now the good part. I made dyno two pulls, the first with full exhaust and made 311.7 H.P. and 371.9 Torque. Time allowed a second pull so I uncorked the headers and pulled 321.3 H.P. and 384.1 torque. Not bad but I wonder where that 435 H.P. and 530 torque went to that I got when I had the engine broke in and dynoed before I installed it. Looks like accessories (water pump, fan, power steering) , tranny (Turbo 400) and such sucked about 26% off the motor. I didn't feel too bad about my numbers when I saw a gutted 72 drag race only Chevelle w / a 468" BB make 420 H.P. and that was with a 100 H.P. shot of N.O.S. Off the bottle he made about 340 H.P. to the ground. That motor was so snotty it barely ran to get it on the rollers and then back to their trailer. What I did learn is I can confirm in my case the open headers worked better than the X-pipe and Flow Master mufflers with 2.5" exhaust. Not much, but an improvement just the same. Now I have a base line to make comparisons when I swap distributors, carbs and intake manifolds when I get some spare time. If you get a chance to put your car on a chassis dyno definately go for it. Anyway it was a good day with the Chevelle and my wife had a blast driving it home with open headers (her dad used to race super modified's and race cars are in her blood). Have a good rest of the week end. Bob 71 SS454 - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] 400 Engines
tom I'm not gonna bet the farm, and heavens knows at my age I can't be sure about much of anything. But it seems that over the years its been discussed at Chevelle tech and the consensus was that the 400 small block never made it to a chevelle - at least thru 72. I checked the engine codes for 69-72 at the Index of Years at www.chevelles.com and couldn't find anything for the 400. Also Dan Carrs 68-72 Production poster does not show a 400 except for the 70 Monte Carlo. I agree with everything else you are saying. Also in searching the archive at TC I found that there was a 4 bbl 400 in the impala. I posted a question about this at Chevelle Tech, I can be convinced so we'll see. rick On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:52:43 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i am going to have to disagree with the fact that small block 400 did not come in Chevelles. i have seen several that have. They were available in 70-73 Chevelles. The casting number is 3951511, the same engine was also in 75-80 trucks. This is were GM got a little goofy in the 1971 model year. The 396 name was kept but the engine displaced 402 cid. There were 2 400 engines in 1970, one small block, one big block. The small block was only available in the 2 bbl carb setup. the 400 big block was a 4 bbl engine. the 400 big block was actually a 396/402 but was "Marketed" as a 400 4 bbl engine for some reason and it was only in trucks from what i understand.Tom
[Chevelle-List] 400 Engines
i am going to have to disagree with the fact that small block 400 did not come in Chevelles. i have seen several that have. They were available in 70-73 Chevelles. The casting number is 3951511, the same engine was also in 75-80 trucks. This is were GM got a little goofy in the 1971 model year. The 396 name was kept but the engine displaced 402 cid. There were 2 400 engines in 1970, one small block, one big block. The small block was only available in the 2 bbl carb setup. the 400 big block was a 4 bbl engine. the 400 big block was actually a 396/402 but was "Marketed" as a 400 4 bbl engine for some reason and it was only in trucks from what i understand. Tom
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
Chad yes it dose work as ram air and the air goes in through the air filter. Kyle m - Original Message - From: Chad Playso To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? yea - LS6 and LS7 crates are still aviable, but i figure the regular 454 would be extremely powerful anyways. lol. does the cowl induction work as a ram air or something, the engine will have a hole to get that air? can you get a 396 crate motor? - Original Message - From: Kelly C. Hanna To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? >I understand that LS - 6's are around $40,000, and i was wondering, what if i dont have that much money, could i just>go out and buy a perfectly restored malibu - maybe around $8,500?, and then clone that to a LS - 6? with a LS-6>crate motor, and 4.10 gears w/ 4 speed? how much money would i have to put into it, to make it exactly like what a>LS-6 was? i figure, you pretty much have to replace EVERYTHING, right? i dont know how you guys take it with a>perfectly all original car, cause if i had one, i would be scared to drive it out there. i would rather have one for>"play"; clone it, so its not SO valuble. whatcha think? Chad, you can buy a decent LS-6 for around $26-$32ksearch Chevelle SS on collectorcartrader.com and see what you come up with. As far as cloning goes, the motor is a very expensive part of the car. Getting a real one in any shape could cost well over $10k by itself. LS-6/LS-7 crates aren't available anymore as far as I know (if they were they'd be VERY expensive). Most people that have an LS-6 car never drive it on the street, it gets trailered everywhere. If you're thinking about a daily driver, get the GM 454 crate motor (425 hp) and put it in whichever Chevelle you like best. Then get the cowl induction hood with the flapper and a TH_400 tranny or an M-22 four speed, toss in a striped paint job and some SS badges and you got a great car. One thing though, don't ever misrepresent the car for what it's notif you show it, say it's a cloneeveryone that has any sense about SS Chevelles will know it anyway.Kelly & Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
well, im just thinking, this sounds pretty nice as a setup. but if you are saying you dont want much torque, why did the chevy people drop 454's in their cars? ill definitly email you sooner or later, and thanks for the well done response. i also heard that if you have higher than 9:1 compression, it isnt good for the streets...is this right? i would not be planning to go to the strips, just a daily driver with lots of power. gotta go to bed, im tired...lol. Chad - Original Message - From: Capt Crunch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? Chad... I dunno if you have looked at parts and prices for BBC stuff compared to SBC stuff. HUGE difference. Heck around here it is about a grand for a rebuildable BBC with all the pulleys and brackets (which can cost a fortune elsewhere). Also if you want torque a 400 or 406 motor easily can make 450 ft-lbs of torque. I also just made a 355 w. 11to1 compression that makes an awsome torque cure. From 1500 to about 5500 you have anywhere from 355 ft-lbs to 402 ft-lbs. This was a budget build and from 2500-5500 it is 390 to 400 ft-lbs. Now that is a fun motor for the street. Another consideration is traction. Torque is a big PIA if you can't plant it. All it will do is end up burning tires up and when you do get traction it tends to break un-beefed parts. I would recomend a nice solid 355 or 400 motor with stock bottom end and ARP stuff. Get a set of Vortecs heads and get them worked by a good hi-perf place. If you need any other ideas either BBC or SBC give me a e-mail. Mikey - Original Message - From: Chad Playso Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? i would want to make it a daily driver, that is very powerful, that can still make around 12 mpg. maybe like a 454 crate? but i would rather have a Big Block...not a built small block. and plus, a 400 doesnt sound right in a chevelle, cause they were always built with 396's, 402's, and 454's. also, do you know how much a BB 454 goes for (the crate motor)?
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
Chad my be you could buy an unrestored chevelle or maby an elky l-s6 - Original Message - From: Chad Playso To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 5:46 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? I understand that LS - 6's are around $40,000, and i was wondering, what if i dont have that much money, could i just go out and buy a perfectly restored malibu - maybe around $8,500?, and then clone that to a LS - 6? with a LS-6 crate motor, and 4.10 gears w/ 4 speed? how much money would i have to put into it, to make it exactly like what a LS-6 was? i figure, you pretty much have to replace EVERYTHING, right? i dont know how you guys take it with a perfectly all original car, cause if i had one, i would be scared to drive it out there. i would rather have one for "play"; clone it, so its not SO valuble. whatcha think? Chad
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
Chad... I dunno if you have looked at parts and prices for BBC stuff compared to SBC stuff. HUGE difference. Heck around here it is about a grand for a rebuildable BBC with all the pulleys and brackets (which can cost a fortune elsewhere). Also if you want torque a 400 or 406 motor easily can make 450 ft-lbs of torque. I also just made a 355 w. 11to1 compression that makes an awsome torque cure. From 1500 to about 5500 you have anywhere from 355 ft-lbs to 402 ft-lbs. This was a budget build and from 2500-5500 it is 390 to 400 ft-lbs. Now that is a fun motor for the street. Another consideration is traction. Torque is a big PIA if you can't plant it. All it will do is end up burning tires up and when you do get traction it tends to break un-beefed parts. I would recomend a nice solid 355 or 400 motor with stock bottom end and ARP stuff. Get a set of Vortecs heads and get them worked by a good hi-perf place. If you need any other ideas either BBC or SBC give me a e-mail. Mikey - Original Message - From: Chad Playso Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? i would want to make it a daily driver, that is very powerful, that can still make around 12 mpg. maybe like a 454 crate? but i would rather have a Big Block...not a built small block. and plus, a 400 doesnt sound right in a chevelle, cause they were always built with 396's, 402's, and 454's. also, do you know how much a BB 454 goes for (the crate motor)?
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
Every once in a while you will see a new one on ebay. On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:47:00 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 6/29/2002 2:07:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who sells 'em and how much are they? I wasn't aware they were still sold new. I'm bettin' if they are still available that they're really expensive.Kelly, in all that I have looked for the LS6 and LS7 is no longer available unless some dealers are hiding them from us :-). The highest horsepower 454 crate engine sold that i know of is 454/425. I'll check into this, I have some people I can call.Tom
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
The malibu 400 was big block. Check this page from http://links.chevelles.net/links http://home.netcom.com/~radiojoe/Malibu.html I have heard that ALL 400 s/b came from the factory with a 2 bbl carb. They were torque motors for heavy vehicles. And no chevelle got a s/b 400. On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:44:12 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chevelles did have a small block 400, known as a Malibu 400, had a 2 bbl carb from the factory, Chevelles also had 350's, 307's, and 6 bangers
Re: [Chevelle-List] power steering bracket problem
on 6/27/02 9:04 AM, Kent Lewis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Jason,
>
> Looks like everyone is busy, let's see if I can help you out. You have a
> 1969 307, with a SHORT water pump? You don't sound sure. Here is a simple
> test, if you can stick your finger between the back of the water pump and
> the front of the timing chain cover, it is the LONG water pump ('69 later),
> if NOT it's a SHORT water pump. As soon as you are sure which pump setup
> you have, we can go from there.
>
> Kent
> '68 Malibu ZZ502/502 :)
> ACES #5102
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kent
thanks for your reply
i failed to force my finger between the pump and front of the timing chain
cover though i couldtouch the top so its a short pump any further help with
the bracket problem will be appreciated
jason pollock
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Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
is it a BB? im not worried about horsepower that much, just the torque, i want lots of low end torque, as what a 396 would produce - or in this case, even a 454. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? Chad whats wrong with a built 350 motor mine produces the same as 396 375hp or better,if its built right, course i had mine bored 30 over. 350's are a good motor there are some lame ones though. i beleive the 396 was bored to make the 402 KenD72HeavyChevyChevelle
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
wow, i thought, the only people who sold 400's were pontiac. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? Chevelles did have a small block 400, known as a Malibu 400, had a 2 bbl carb from the factory, Chevelles also had 350's, 307's, and 6 bangers
Re: [Chevelle-List] Need Advice
If you're doing a matching numbers all original, etc build, I would recommend staying as stock as possible with the exception of making it stronger, ie: ARP bolts, true roller timing chain, etc. Roller rockers are not needed for the street but are good insurance as they're better/stronger than stock & they are easily replaced with stock ones should you choose. Don Hey All: I'm getting ready to rebuild a 396 matching numbers for my 70 Chevelle SS. I'm thinking about roller rockers, Is it worth it? Possibly upgrading pistons and cam. Any thoughts what I should and should not do?? 70 Chevelle in Illinois!!
Re: [Chevelle-List] Test?
I think this idea may have some merit! We should come up with several "Research Questions" for the young-un's & let them find the answers & give us a report. Don > > U since school is out for the summer and all these "yung-uns" > have acknowledged their above average maturity and wisdom to like > Chevelles Maybe we should have a test for them? > > Maybe we should take this one step further and have them do research on > the Internet and tell us WHY Grease prevents wear and what types of > grease are best for what applications? > > Maybe a competition to see who can find the best web page that shows > about lubrications or front end rebuilding? > > I never learned so much as when I had to teach others ;) > > Steve > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of rick schaefer > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 12:31 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re:Re: [Chevelle-List] 2 questions > > > The balljoints, tie rod ends and control arms swivel. To limit wear > they need to be greased. If you crawl under the car, you will see > small fittings on these parts. "Greasing the suspension" or "lube job" > or "grease job" are the terms used for this. > -- "Chad Playso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > also, why would you grease the suspension and so on? > - Original Message - > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 2 questions > > > In a message dated 6/28/2002 9:56:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > 1) whats a lube job? > 2) what is "trap speed"? > > > > aww where we could go with this one :-) > Lube job refers to changing the oil and/or greasing the suspension, > u-joints, etc. > Trap Speed is the speed how fast ya are going in the 1/4 mile, the > finish line in the 1/4 mile is referred to as the traps. > > > > rick schaefer > 72 El camino > http://members.home.net/jimmy4/rick1972elky.html > ACES #00140 > Team Chevelle #00038 > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
Chad, Mikey gives some pretty good advice. 396's came in 325, 350 & 375hp versions. You can buy a small block 350 crate motor with 350 hp for about $4,000. It is relatively easy to get 300 to 350hp out of any good 327,350 or 400 smallblock. BigBlock engines are definitely Cool & have more torque but they are also heavier & more expensive. It really just depends on what you want, what you're going to use the car for & How Much Cash You Have. Don Chad... I think you should find a car that you like for the right price first of all. Secondly look at the posts made to the originality question in the past week. Also what are your plans for the car? Daily driver? Occasional cruiser? Drag Strip Terror? An LS-6 would suck gas like a son of a gun and depending on what has been done to the heads may need a higher octane gas then avalable and/or a lead additive. I ran a BBC car as a daily driver for a while and it got old quick, especially the gas expense. If you want to drive it everyday w/ a 4speed... I'd go for a built sbc. 350,383, and 400/406's all can make killer street engines. It would be much cheaper then a BBC and would save you work beefing up the rear end and would allow for much better traction with street tires and near stock rear suspension. The extra cash could be used for aftermarket cylinder heads w/ a port job, beefed up bottom end or at least ARP throughout the lower end and head studs. Heck maybe even go for a sweet FI setup. If you wanted to add some extra punch for occasional trips to the track or whatever you could add a small nitrous sytem for not much money and still be just as reliable, just make sure you do your homework. I'd also step down from 4.10's unless you plan to run some pretty tall tires out back. There's my $.02 worth. Mikey
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
Chad whats wrong with a built 350 motor mine produces the same as 396 375hp or better,if its built right, course i had mine bored 30 over. 350's are a good motor there are some lame ones though. i beleive the 396 was bored to make the 402 KenD72HeavyChevyChevelle
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
In a message dated 6/29/2002 2:07:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who sells 'em and how much are they? I wasn't aware they were still sold new. I'm bettin' if they are still available that they're really expensive. Kelly, in all that I have looked for the LS6 and LS7 is no longer available unless some dealers are hiding them from us :-). The highest horsepower 454 crate engine sold that i know of is 454/425. I'll check into this, I have some people I can call. Tom
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
Chevelles did have a small block 400, known as a Malibu 400, had a 2 bbl carb from the factory, Chevelles also had 350's, 307's, and 6 bangers
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
>yea - LS6 and LS7 crates are still available, Who sells 'em and how much are they? I wasn't aware they were still sold new. I'm bettin' if they are still available that they're really expensive. Kelly & Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
RE: [Chevelle-List] alum radiator vs OEM (brass?)
I got, what seems to be a good 3-core radiator from discountradiators.com. Price was good too. Dont remember the exact price though. Brian Zack '70 Chevelle Malibu -Original Message- From: Michael Pell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 6:28 PM To: ChevelleList Subject: [Chevelle-List] alum radiator vs OEM (brass?) Ok, is an alum radiator really more efficient than the regular rad? Aren't they brass? Anyway, I'm trying to find a radiator for my 69. The alum ones I've tried are either too short or too tall. And I don't want to spend the $500+ on the Be-Cool units that are supposed to be stock replacement radiators. Right now I have the Howe 31x19 for $199.00. Great price, nice radiator, too tall. I'd rather not cut my radiator support to fit this in. A modine stock replacement rad is $266.00!! Any suggestions out there?Is the Alum actually a cooler running radiator over the brass? Thanks, Mike "about to boilover" P. -- Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com and my For Sale page at http://www.ProStreetCar.com/classifieds.html Tremec Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com Team Chevelle membership #178 (Gold) - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
hey man, i just wanted to find out info, thats all. i dont get it, i have to be a little realistic? you ARE cloning a chevelle to a LS6. never mind... Chad - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? ChadI think you need to be a little realistic here. Cloning an LS6 is not that easy. My 70 is an LS6 clone and I have well over $27,000 invested in it and it is still not totally completed. I have done all kinds of research on these cars and there are so many different combos that could be had with these cars. Some, although very few, LS6's did not come through with factory gauges, they had warning lights. If it is going back to a factory "correct" LS6, you may as well forget it b/c the cost is astronimical.Tom
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
but see, i would rather have much more power than a stock 350 could produce, i want the power of a 396 and such. - Original Message - From: "wbainey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? > I for one would be afraid to drive a perfect LS6 car or any high $$$car on the > street. I need to drive a car to enjoy it. That is why I am stepping my > Chevelle back down from track only. I feel a good start for your car would be > a 350 with an auto or 4spd. 3.55 gears. Pick up a solid car and everything > else can be worked on and massaged the way you like it. You will learn quite > a bit doing the work yourself..You will gain much personal pride when you > complete different steps of your project. > Walt > http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm > > > > >= Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = > >I understand that LS - 6's are around $40,000, and i was wondering, what if i > dont have that much money, could i just go out and buy a perfectly restored > malibu - maybe around $8,500?, and then clone that to a LS - 6? with a LS-6 > crate motor, and 4.10 gears w/ 4 speed? how much money > >would i have to put into it, to make it exactly like what a LS-6 was? i > figure, you pretty much have to replace EVERYTHING, right? i dont know how > you guys take it with a perfectly all original car, cause if i had one, i > would be scared to drive it out there. i would rather have one > >for "play"; clone it, so its not SO valuble. whatcha think? > > Chad > > Walter Bainey > Network Engineer > Network Services > Kent State University > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
i would want to make it a daily driver, that is very powerful, that can still make around 12 mpg. maybe like a 454 crate? but i would rather have a Big Block...not a built small block. and plus, a 400 doesnt sound right in a chevelle, cause they were always built with 396's, 402's, and 454's. also, do you know how much a BB 454 goes for (the crate motor)? - Original Message - From: Capt Crunch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? Chad... I think you should find a car that you like for the right price first of all. Secondly look at the posts made to the originality question in the past week. Also what are your plans for the car? Daily driver? Occasional cruiser? Drag Strip Terror? An LS-6 would suck gas like a son of a gun and depending on what has been done to the heads may need a higher octane gas then avalable and/or a lead additive. I ran a BBC car as a daily driver for a while and it got old quick, especially the gas expense. If you want to drive it everyday w/ a 4speed... I'd go for a built sbc. 350,383, and 400/406's all can make killer street engines. It would be much cheaper then a BBC and would save you work beefing up the rear end and would allow for much better traction with street tires and near stock rear suspension. The extra cash could be used for aftermarket cylinder heads w/ a port job, beefed up bottom end or at least ARP throughout the lower end and head studs. Heck maybe even go for a sweet FI setup. If you wanted to add some extra punch for occasional trips to the track or whatever you could add a small nitrous sytem for not much money and still be just as reliable, just make sure you do your homework. I'd also step down from 4.10's unless you plan to run some pretty tall tires out back. There's my $.02 worth. Mikey
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
yea - LS6 and LS7 crates are still aviable, but i figure the regular 454 would be extremely powerful anyways. lol. does the cowl induction work as a ram air or something, the engine will have a hole to get that air? can you get a 396 crate motor? - Original Message - From: Kelly C. Hanna To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone? >I understand that LS - 6's are around $40,000, and i was wondering, what if i dont have that much money, could i just>go out and buy a perfectly restored malibu - maybe around $8,500?, and then clone that to a LS - 6? with a LS-6>crate motor, and 4.10 gears w/ 4 speed? how much money would i have to put into it, to make it exactly like what a>LS-6 was? i figure, you pretty much have to replace EVERYTHING, right? i dont know how you guys take it with a>perfectly all original car, cause if i had one, i would be scared to drive it out there. i would rather have one for>"play"; clone it, so its not SO valuble. whatcha think? Chad, you can buy a decent LS-6 for around $26-$32ksearch Chevelle SS on collectorcartrader.com and see what you come up with. As far as cloning goes, the motor is a very expensive part of the car. Getting a real one in any shape could cost well over $10k by itself. LS-6/LS-7 crates aren't available anymore as far as I know (if they were they'd be VERY expensive). Most people that have an LS-6 car never drive it on the street, it gets trailered everywhere. If you're thinking about a daily driver, get the GM 454 crate motor (425 hp) and put it in whichever Chevelle you like best. Then get the cowl induction hood with the flapper and a TH_400 tranny or an M-22 four speed, toss in a striped paint job and some SS badges and you got a great car. One thing though, don't ever misrepresent the car for what it's notif you show it, say it's a cloneeveryone that has any sense about SS Chevelles will know it anyway.Kelly & Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
Re:[Chevelle-List] Rear End shimming(Suspension?)
I believe that adjustable upper control arms may help you. You can adjust pinion angle. Are your control arm bushings in decent shape? Recently lots of traffic at chevelle tech on BMR/BNR adjustable arms. Supposedly very good pricing compared tot the big names. -- "Dave Benjamin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I replaced the carrier bearings today and it fixed it up nice. Isn't debugging fun on new rides. Now I am going to play with the suspension some. The tracktion bars I have on right now are a really rough ride all the time. I need a different set up because I am not racing it all the time. I was wondering about different set ups. I need something that rides nice normally but when I hammer it, it doesn't wheel hoppp?Dave Ingersoll,Ontario My web site: http://members.tripod.com/benj30/ rick schaefer 72 El camino http://members.home.net/jimmy4/rick1972elky.html ACES #00140 Team Chevelle #00038 - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:[Chevelle-List] Manual Tranny lube
Some newer trannys use ATF - Tremec among them. If you know what the tranny came out of, you can check with the dealer. -- "Chevelle 69" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: From: "Chevelle 69" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Chevelle-List] Manual Tranny lube Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 09:17:57 -0400 Gents (any ladies still present?), When I recently opened up my 80's era manual tranny I just bought, looks like there was auto tranny fluid being used in there. Is that the thing to use these days? Back in my day we used 90 weight gear oil...and we liked it ;) What about synthetic lubes in a tranny? Anyone using them? Steve - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rick schaefer 72 El camino http://members.home.net/jimmy4/rick1972elky.html ACES #00140 Team Chevelle #00038 - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:Re: [Chevelle-List] Need Advice
Rob Have you seen this thread at Chevelle Tech? http://www.chevelles.com/forum/Forum2/HTML/011347.html onabudget definitely has an experience. -- "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: my brother has a set(proform)on a heavy valve spring SB in a '65 nova and just had one break at the pivot... after 5 hard years of trashin and abuse/over-reving the heck out of it(is a bracket car and he lives 7 minutes from the track so you know it gets used a lot!!!)all for half the price of the "good" ones, not bad I'd say, maybe he just got lucky, who knows anybody else have any experence with the proform roller rockers??? Rob Means "be good,if not,be good at it [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Need Advice do not get Proform Roller Rockers!!, a Team Chevelle member had those and they broke apart on his way back from the Nashville show. i am running the Comp Cams roller tip rockers on my 454 and i like them. Check my web page for all the specs on the 454 i built Tom 70 Chevelle SS rick schaefer 72 El camino http://members.home.net/jimmy4/rick1972elky.html ACES #00140 Team Chevelle #00038 - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
I'm not sure how old young Chad is, but unless his daddy forks over the cash on a plate, I couldn't even imagine him getting insurance on a big block car much less a LS6, Rocky Hill My66SS http://www.geocities.com/rocks66ss --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Chad > > I think you need to be a little realistic here. > Cloning an LS6 is not that > easy. My 70 is an LS6 clone and I have well over > $27,000 invested in it and > it is still not totally completed. I have done all > kinds of research on > these cars and there are so many different combos > that could be had with > these cars. Some, although very few, LS6's did not > come through with factory > gauges, they had warning lights. If it is going > back to a factory "correct" > LS6, you may as well forget it b/c the cost is > astronimical. > > Tom > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
Chad, Another thing to consider is getting a car that you won't kill yourself in. My first car was a '71 Chevelle SS454 clone. If it weren't for the fact that I spent more time under it than in it, I would have been a statistic. Big block cars, posis and wet streets will at the least cause you to bite a hole in your seat, and worse kill you and maybe someone else. I guess the point is work your way up from a mild small block and if at all possible get enrolled in a performance driving school so you know how to handle a vehicle that's out of control. I personally can't believe that my Dad would give me a car like that, but now I know where I get my lack of sense. Shawn '69 SS396 /325 on 6/29/02 10:33 AM, wbainey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I for one would be afraid to drive a perfect LS6 car or any high $$$car on the > street. I need to drive a car to enjoy it. That is why I am stepping my > Chevelle back down from track only. I feel a good start for your car would be > a 350 with an auto or 4spd. 3.55 gears. Pick up a solid car and everything > else can be worked on and massaged the way you like it. You will learn quite > a bit doing the work yourself..You will gain much personal pride when you > complete different steps of your project. > Walt > http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm > > > >> = Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = >> I understand that LS - 6's are around $40,000, and i was wondering, what if i > dont have that much money, could i just go out and buy a perfectly restored > malibu - maybe around $8,500?, and then clone that to a LS - 6? with a LS-6 > crate motor, and 4.10 gears w/ 4 speed? how much money >> would i have to put into it, to make it exactly like what a LS-6 was? i > figure, you pretty much have to replace EVERYTHING, right? i dont know how > you guys take it with a perfectly all original car, cause if i had one, i > would be scared to drive it out there. i would rather have one >> for "play"; clone it, so its not SO valuble. whatcha think? >>Chad > > Walter Bainey > Network Engineer > Network Services > Kent State University > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
Chad I think you need to be a little realistic here. Cloning an LS6 is not that easy. My 70 is an LS6 clone and I have well over $27,000 invested in it and it is still not totally completed. I have done all kinds of research on these cars and there are so many different combos that could be had with these cars. Some, although very few, LS6's did not come through with factory gauges, they had warning lights. If it is going back to a factory "correct" LS6, you may as well forget it b/c the cost is astronimical. Tom
RE: [Chevelle-List] 69 Malibu 454 badges?
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RE: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
I for one would be afraid to drive a perfect LS6 car or any high $$$car on the street. I need to drive a car to enjoy it. That is why I am stepping my Chevelle back down from track only. I feel a good start for your car would be a 350 with an auto or 4spd. 3.55 gears. Pick up a solid car and everything else can be worked on and massaged the way you like it. You will learn quite a bit doing the work yourself..You will gain much personal pride when you complete different steps of your project. Walt http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm >= Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = >I understand that LS - 6's are around $40,000, and i was wondering, what if i dont have that much money, could i just go out and buy a perfectly restored malibu - maybe around $8,500?, and then clone that to a LS - 6? with a LS-6 crate motor, and 4.10 gears w/ 4 speed? how much money >would i have to put into it, to make it exactly like what a LS-6 was? i figure, you pretty much have to replace EVERYTHING, right? i dont know how you guys take it with a perfectly all original car, cause if i had one, i would be scared to drive it out there. i would rather have one >for "play"; clone it, so its not SO valuble. whatcha think? >Chad Walter Bainey Network Engineer Network Services Kent State University - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
If you find a "perfectly restored Malibu" for $8500 ask the guy if he has another one for me. -Original Message- could i just >go out and buy a perfectly restored malibu - maybe around $8,500?
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
Chad... I think you should find a car that you like for the right price first of all. Secondly look at the posts made to the originality question in the past week. Also what are your plans for the car? Daily driver? Occasional cruiser? Drag Strip Terror? An LS-6 would suck gas like a son of a gun and depending on what has been done to the heads may need a higher octane gas then avalable and/or a lead additive. I ran a BBC car as a daily driver for a while and it got old quick, especially the gas expense. If you want to drive it everyday w/ a 4speed... I'd go for a built sbc. 350,383, and 400/406's all can make killer street engines. It would be much cheaper then a BBC and would save you work beefing up the rear end and would allow for much better traction with street tires and near stock rear suspension. The extra cash could be used for aftermarket cylinder heads w/ a port job, beefed up bottom end or at least ARP throughout the lower end and head studs. Heck maybe even go for a sweet FI setup. If you wanted to add some extra punch for occasional trips to the track or whatever you could add a small nitrous sytem for not much money and still be just as reliable, just make sure you do your homework. I'd also step down from 4.10's unless you plan to run some pretty tall tires out back. There's my $.02 worth. Mikey
RE: [Chevelle-List] Need Advice
I always feel more comfortable with forged pistons. I'd stick with the factory crank and rods. You could put a little more cam in if you want a little choppy idle. As far as roller rockers I feel that the advantage is that they are more consistant(1.7ratio) than the stamped rocker arms. The tolerances are much closer. Walt >= Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = >Hey All: I'm getting ready to rebuild a 396 matching numbers for my 70 Chevelle SS. I'm thinking about roller rockers, Is it worth it? Possibly upgrading pistons and cam. Any thoughts what I should and should not do?? > >70 Chevelle in Illinois!! Walter Bainey Network Engineer Network Services Kent State University - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Need Advice
"anybody else have any experence with the proform roller rockers" I agree with Tom... those things are junk. They look cheap and are cheap. Seen a lot of busted ones. If you want an affordable roller rocker stick with the larger brand/low price pieces from Crane or Comp Cams. Neither is a s nice as many of the other brands (Crower, Jesel, etc.), but they seem to have a good track record for the price. BTW... Tom... Your Chevelle is AWSOME. Excellent work! Mikey
[Chevelle-List] Manual Tranny lube
Gents (any ladies still present?), When I recently opened up my 80's era manual tranny I just bought, looks like there was auto tranny fluid being used in there. Is that the thing to use these days? Back in my day we used 90 weight gear oil...and we liked it ;) What about synthetic lubes in a tranny? Anyone using them? Steve - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
>I understand that LS - 6's are around $40,000, and i was wondering, what if i dont have that much money, could i just >go out and buy a perfectly restored malibu - maybe around $8,500?, and then clone that to a LS - 6? with a LS-6 >crate motor, and 4.10 gears w/ 4 speed? how much money would i have to put into it, to make it exactly like what a >LS-6 was? i figure, you pretty much have to replace EVERYTHING, right? i dont know how you guys take it with a >perfectly all original car, cause if i had one, i would be scared to drive it out there. i would rather have one for >"play"; clone it, so its not SO valuble. whatcha think? Chad, you can buy a decent LS-6 for around $26-$32ksearch Chevelle SS on collectorcartrader.com and see what you come up with. As far as cloning goes, the motor is a very expensive part of the car. Getting a real one in any shape could cost well over $10k by itself. LS-6/LS-7 crates aren't available anymore as far as I know (if they were they'd be VERY expensive). Most people that have an LS-6 car never drive it on the street, it gets trailered everywhere. If you're thinking about a daily driver, get the GM 454 crate motor (425 hp) and put it in whichever Chevelle you like best. Then get the cowl induction hood with the flapper and a TH_400 tranny or an M-22 four speed, toss in a striped paint job and some SS badges and you got a great car. One thing though, don't ever misrepresent the car for what it's notif you show it, say it's a cloneeveryone that has any sense about SS Chevelles will know it anyway. Kelly & Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
[Chevelle-List] Test?
U since school is out for the summer and all these "yung-uns" have acknowledged their above average maturity and wisdom to like Chevelles Maybe we should have a test for them? Maybe we should take this one step further and have them do research on the Internet and tell us WHY Grease prevents wear and what types of grease are best for what applications? Maybe a competition to see who can find the best web page that shows about lubrications or front end rebuilding? I never learned so much as when I had to teach others ;) Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of rick schaefer Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 12:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:Re: [Chevelle-List] 2 questions The balljoints, tie rod ends and control arms swivel. To limit wear they need to be greased. If you crawl under the car, you will see small fittings on these parts. "Greasing the suspension" or "lube job" or "grease job" are the terms used for this. -- "Chad Playso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: also, why would you grease the suspension and so on? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 2 questions In a message dated 6/28/2002 9:56:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1) whats a lube job? 2) what is "trap speed"? aww where we could go with this one :-) Lube job refers to changing the oil and/or greasing the suspension, u-joints, etc. Trap Speed is the speed how fast ya are going in the 1/4 mile, the finish line in the 1/4 mile is referred to as the traps. rick schaefer 72 El camino http://members.home.net/jimmy4/rick1972elky.html ACES #00140 Team Chevelle #00038 - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone?
I understand that LS - 6's are around $40,000, and i was wondering, what if i dont have that much money, could i just go out and buy a perfectly restored malibu - maybe around $8,500?, and then clone that to a LS - 6? with a LS-6 crate motor, and 4.10 gears w/ 4 speed? how much money would i have to put into it, to make it exactly like what a LS-6 was? i figure, you pretty much have to replace EVERYTHING, right? i dont know how you guys take it with a perfectly all original car, cause if i had one, i would be scared to drive it out there. i would rather have one for "play"; clone it, so its not SO valuble. whatcha think? Chad
RE: [Chevelle-List] Will Chad and Kyle Kiss And Make Up? Will Dan Get His Pan...
Title: Message Hmm the thought of a macho, oil spitten, wrench turnin, muscle usin, mechanically inclined Chevelle nut in panties that are bunched up ...just doesn't exactly rotate my wheels ...if ya know what I mean? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 8:00 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Will Chad and Kyle Kiss And Make Up? Will Dan Get His Pan...Wow Rocky, now thats funny stuff. My panties are officially unbunched..:) Dan McIntosh 65 Malibu
Re: [Chevelle-List] Will Chad and Kyle Kiss And Make Up? Will Dan Get His Pan...
Wow Rocky, now thats funny stuff. My panties are officially unbunched..:) Dan McIntosh 65 Malibu
RE: [Chevelle-List] Diff cover bolt installation
Brad I wouldn't use the locktite. To seal threads I would anaerobic sealer, stays soft if you can't find that then a light coat of Teflon thread sealer would work well too. The Teflon is readily available at your local parts house. Good Luck Wayne 66 Chevelle SS > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Interplanet Janet > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:40 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Chevelle-List] Diff cover bolt installation > > > I'm doing a differential lube job tonight (stinky!) and when I > removed the cover bolts (after making sure I could get the fill > plug loose first) I found that orange RTV had been used as a > thread sealer but my service manual makes no mention of the > need for any sealer. Is this a common practice? Would > Loctite 242 (blue) threadlocker work just as well? > > FWIW it's an 8.5" 10-bolt on a non-Chevelle but I suspect the > cover bolt installation instructions are pretty much the same > for most GM rears. > > Brad O. > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] another planet
Rick, I have made this new test to see if your elky can be used on another planet in case you need it, well I'm sorry my friend but i cant because of the rough suspension. Just kiddin I just formatted my computer and wanted to check if I could get back on - Original Message - From: "rick schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:02 AM Subject: Re:Re: [Chevelle-List] i love muscle cars > TEST! What test? Nobody said nutin about no stinkin test! Can I go to the bathroom? > -- "Tigergutt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hi everybody, > > I have had some computer problems so this is just a test. > > André > - Original Message - > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] i love muscle cars > > > Chad, > If people are going to put you down for expressing your thoughts and opinions, they are probally not the people you would want to surround yourself with anyway. Like what you like, be yourself. Dont worry about what other people think, in the end, all that matters is that you are true to yourself... > > Dan McIntosh > 65 Malibu > > > > rick schaefer > 72 El camino > http://members.home.net/jimmy4/rick1972elky.html > ACES #00140 > Team Chevelle #00038 > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
