[Chevelle-list] Ground straps

[Jimmy C.]

Thank you, 
Jimmy.C

Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids

[Larry Williams]

What scares me is the repair cost for that technology.  You might check 
out what the long term maintenance costs are (rebuild, batteries, 
electric motor).


Larry


John Nasta wrote:


Anybody driving a hybrid? Any thoughts on the best or worst ones? I hear the
hybrid drive makes the most difference in local, stop-and-go type driving,
which is what I do a lot of.

What's up with that Ford Fusion? I heard that Ford had terrible problems
with their new mid-engine GT and had to buy a whole bunch of them back
because they were so screwed up. Of course mentioning a Fusion and a GT as a
segue is bizarre, but so be it. We try not to use the F word around here.





 

Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids

[Karl Groves]

IMO, it makes no financial sense to purchase a hybrid car at this time
unless a) you NEED a car or b) you can find one used.

Firstly, anyone who buys a brand new car off the lot is throwing away
thousands of dollars right off the bat. That is money that you'll never get
back. And hybrids are typically much more expensive than regular cars of the
same size.

Second, buying a car when you don't need one is a waste of money, too.

For example, my daily driver is a '92 Ford Bronco with 4x4 and 5.0 engine in
it.  The thing is an absolute pig and with a 30 gallon tank, it costs almost
$70 to fill it up.  Thankfully, I work from home.  When gas prices went
through the roof this past summer, it took me more than $130 to fill it up.

Even still, the fact of the matter is that I bought the truck used and paid
cash for it. By doing so, I'm saving nearly $800 a MONTH over what I was
paying for the loan and insurance on the brand new Mustang GT that it
replaced.

When you buy a new car, you're paying a loan, higher insurance costs, and
absorbing very rapid depreciation.

Gas prices may very well spike back up to $3 a gallon this summer, and I'll
still be ahead of the game driving my gas-guzzling V-8 SUV.

Karl Groves
Master Certified CIW
http://www.karlgroves.com 

Will Work For Parts:
http://chevelle.karlcore.com/detail.php?id=3 

 -Original Message-
 From: Larry Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:59 AM
 To: The Chevelle Mailing List
 Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids
 
 What scares me is the repair cost for that technology.  You 
 might check out what the long term maintenance costs are 
 (rebuild, batteries, electric motor).
 
 Larry
 
 
 John Nasta wrote:
 
 Anybody driving a hybrid? Any thoughts on the best or worst ones? I 
 hear the hybrid drive makes the most difference in local, 
 stop-and-go 
 type driving, which is what I do a lot of.
 
 What's up with that Ford Fusion? I heard that Ford had terrible 
 problems with their new mid-engine GT and had to buy a whole 
 bunch of 
 them back because they were so screwed up. Of course mentioning a 
 Fusion and a GT as a segue is bizarre, but so be it. We try 
 not to use the F word around here.
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [Chevelle-list] Heavy Chevy

[vin]

it is the yf3 option in 71 up chevelles
- Original Message - 
From: Gene Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Heavy Chevy



Hi,
Olds had the ralley 350

Gene


- Original Message - 
From: Brad Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Heavy Chevy



I don't know if Buick and Olds did anything like this with their
A-Bodies but Pontiac did something similar with the GT37 in '70-1/2
and '71, which was a T37 (Tempest) with a few upgrades over base
but it could be optioned to the point where it was for all intents
and purposes a GTO with a lower pricetag and fewer insurance
headaches.  In fact, it was marketed as the GTO for those under
30 (sic).

Brad O.
-- Original message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I sent this to a heavy chevy expert of mine  here's his

reply...


 to sell cars Chevrolet came up the marketing plan to sell cars  based 
 on

image

 and perception. The Heavy Chevy was a niche model positioned  between

the

 Malibu and the SS. In todays verbage we'd call it a hybrid or  orphan.

The

 premise was simple; Based model Chevelle series with stripes,  blacked

out grill

 treatment, hood pins and the new 14 rally wheels. The  interiors were

very taxi

 cab plain. Vinyl floor mat instead of carpet, vinyl  covered bench seat

only

 and el cheapo door panels. Base engine was a 307 with a

three-on-the-tree. Two

 350's and the big block 402 were available. 454 was only  reserved for

the

 SS. The car had the promise to be a no frills race car if  properly

ordered.
 Most came with only a couple of options. Power brakes and  steering 
 were

 optional.

Re: [Chevelle-list] Dash Mounting Hardware - 66 67 Chevelle

[mike f]

I have my dash off. These are round receivers and
they are conical on the bottom so that the screw will
self-center somewhat. I can't see or have not looked
to see how they snap or clip on. 

mike

--- Larry Shouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On my metal dash for my 66, I have seven evenly
 spaced holes across the top for sheetmetal screws to
 fasten the dash to the piece welded to the firewall
 (the piece with the speaker grill and defrost
 louvers in them) This welded on piece has slots
 notched out where the sheetmetal screws would go.
 Can someone tell me what kind of fastener I need to
 put there to screw in the sheetmetal screws? 
 
 I hope I'm making sense..
 
 Thanks,
 Larry


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Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids

[vin]

small cars are coffins with wheels-#1 having a big truck is like paying 
for life insurance[you have a far better chance in a big truck then a small 
car] besides the auto makers are screwing everyone into thinking we need 
small cars-you don't think at this stage of the game tech. isn't there 
for 40 mph truckswe have fuel injection aero dynamics cats. air 
pumps etc. economy still bites bigger  trucks are peace of mind.safety for 
the family etc.
- Original Message - 
From: Karl Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids



IMO, it makes no financial sense to purchase a hybrid car at this time
unless a) you NEED a car or b) you can find one used.

Firstly, anyone who buys a brand new car off the lot is throwing away
thousands of dollars right off the bat. That is money that you'll never 
get
back. And hybrids are typically much more expensive than regular cars of 
the

same size.

Second, buying a car when you don't need one is a waste of money, too.

For example, my daily driver is a '92 Ford Bronco with 4x4 and 5.0 engine 
in
it.  The thing is an absolute pig and with a 30 gallon tank, it costs 
almost

$70 to fill it up.  Thankfully, I work from home.  When gas prices went
through the roof this past summer, it took me more than $130 to fill it 
up.


Even still, the fact of the matter is that I bought the truck used and 
paid

cash for it. By doing so, I'm saving nearly $800 a MONTH over what I was
paying for the loan and insurance on the brand new Mustang GT that it
replaced.

When you buy a new car, you're paying a loan, higher insurance costs, and
absorbing very rapid depreciation.

Gas prices may very well spike back up to $3 a gallon this summer, and 
I'll

still be ahead of the game driving my gas-guzzling V-8 SUV.

Karl Groves
Master Certified CIW
http://www.karlgroves.com

Will Work For Parts:
http://chevelle.karlcore.com/detail.php?id=3


-Original Message-
From: Larry Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:59 AM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids

What scares me is the repair cost for that technology.  You
might check out what the long term maintenance costs are
(rebuild, batteries, electric motor).

Larry


John Nasta wrote:

Anybody driving a hybrid? Any thoughts on the best or worst ones? I
hear the hybrid drive makes the most difference in local,
stop-and-go
type driving, which is what I do a lot of.

What's up with that Ford Fusion? I heard that Ford had terrible
problems with their new mid-engine GT and had to buy a whole
bunch of
them back because they were so screwed up. Of course mentioning a
Fusion and a GT as a segue is bizarre, but so be it. We try
not to use the F word around here.

Re: [Chevelle-list] ground straps and shims

[mike f]

Clean and dry places. I have noticed on new cars, the
manufacturer is extending the bracket away from the
mounting point probably to keep the cable and
connector from the heat of the engine. 

mike

--- Jimmy C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've heard it was a good thing to make sure the
 motor, firewall  frame were all grounded together ?
 or maybe it was the motor to the firewall to the
 fram? I bought a braided copper ground strap kit
 spicifficley for chevelles. can anyone tell me the
 proper places, where the straps should be. when I
 took out the small block, the only ground wires I
 seen were from the harness to the firewall. thanks
 for any help ! Jimmy.C


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Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids

[Jason Fiegel]

From what I have seen and heard, they really don't get that much better 
mileage that there gas counterparts. They talk more about how your helping 
the environment on emissions that saving gas or you money. Plus like has 
been said, they cost more, so are you really saving money? For me, I just 
try and make all my trips in a organized fashion. Also to me it seems like 
these hybrids should be getting better mileage than they do, I seem to 
remember the Geo Metro getting like almost 50 mpg. and now I hear them 
bragging about 32 or 34 mpg! to me it seems like they lost something 
somewhere. Sorry for the rant.

Jason Fiegel
69 chevelle
- Original Message - 
From: Larry Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids


What scares me is the repair cost for that technology.  You might check 
out what the long term maintenance costs are (rebuild, batteries, electric 
motor).


Larry


John Nasta wrote:

Anybody driving a hybrid? Any thoughts on the best or worst ones? I hear 
the

hybrid drive makes the most difference in local, stop-and-go type driving,
which is what I do a lot of.

What's up with that Ford Fusion? I heard that Ford had terrible problems
with their new mid-engine GT and had to buy a whole bunch of them back
because they were so screwed up. Of course mentioning a Fusion and a GT as 
a

segue is bizarre, but so be it. We try not to use the F word around here.

Re: [Chevelle-list] Dash Mounting Hardware - 66 67 Chevelle

[Larry Shouse]

Thanks Mike!

Larry
- Original Message - 
From: mike f [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Dash Mounting Hardware - 66  67 Chevelle



I have my dash off. These are round receivers and
they are conical on the bottom so that the screw will
self-center somewhat. I can't see or have not looked
to see how they snap or clip on. 


mike

--- Larry Shouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


On my metal dash for my 66, I have seven evenly
spaced holes across the top for sheetmetal screws to
fasten the dash to the piece welded to the firewall
(the piece with the speaker grill and defrost
louvers in them) This welded on piece has slots
notched out where the sheetmetal screws would go.
Can someone tell me what kind of fastener I need to
put there to screw in the sheetmetal screws? 


I hope I'm making sense..

Thanks,
Larry



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Re: [Chevelle-list] FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm

[Matthew Post]

Learn to read the subject line and find your delete key.it's not that
hard.

At 06:50 PM 2/2/2006, Darren wrote:

I thought we were a
car club list. Please send car related messages as was so strongly noted
just a few days ago.

Darren


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Clint
Hooper
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:10 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal
Email Worm

Don't ever open executeable files (.exe)
and delete attachments that you're not at least 100% sure of their
origin.
Clint Hooper
HH Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger

http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm

Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids

[John Nasta]

I have a friend who has a Prius and he said it does make a big difference
during local stop-and-go driving, but not much on the highway. My Toyota
gets over 30mpg and it's not a hybrid. There are lots of non-hybrid cars out
there now that get 30+ mpg.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason Fiegel
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:04 AM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids

From what I have seen and heard, they really don't get that much better
mileage that there gas counterparts. They talk more about how your helping
the environment on emissions that saving gas or you money. Plus like has
been said, they cost more, so are you really saving money? For me, I just
try and make all my trips in a organized fashion. Also to me it seems like
these hybrids should be getting better mileage than they do, I seem to
remember the Geo Metro getting like almost 50 mpg. and now I hear them
bragging about 32 or 34 mpg! to me it seems like they lost something
somewhere. Sorry for the rant.
Jason Fiegel
69 chevelle

Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids

[John Nasta]

Actually the automakers have been screwing people into thinking that they
need big expensive trucks for years. Then guys try to drive them like race
cars, or give them to their wives who don't know how to handle them, or just
plain think that they are invincible and can do anything because they are in
a truck. Trucks are also NOT life insurance. That is a big fallacy. There
was a report on the news just last week saying that people who get into
accidents in trucks get just as injured and dead as people in cars.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of vin
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:55 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids

small cars are coffins with wheels-#1 having a big truck is like paying
for life insurance[you have a far better chance in a big truck then a small
car] besides the auto makers are screwing everyone into thinking we need
small cars-you don't think at this stage of the game tech. isn't there
for 40 mph truckswe have fuel injection aero dynamics cats. air
pumps etc. economy still bites bigger  trucks are peace of mind.safety for
the family etc.

Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids

[vin]

look you miss understand---I didn't mean hey your in a big truck and now I'm 
god on the road. I'm talking from 20 years in the auto-truck industry-and 15 
years as a f.f I've seen both sides of the coin injuries to people and 
cars---logically the closer the dash is to your knees legs etc. the faster 
it will be on top of you in a crash. besides all people think there 
invincible remember with anti-lock brakes,does not mean you can drive faster 
in ice and snow and then be able to stop like dry pavement. people are there 
worst enemy to them selves.
- Original Message - 
From: John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids



I have a friend who has a Prius and he said it does make a big difference
during local stop-and-go driving, but not much on the highway. My Toyota
gets over 30mpg and it's not a hybrid. There are lots of non-hybrid cars 
out

there now that get 30+ mpg.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason Fiegel
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:04 AM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids


From what I have seen and heard, they really don't get that much better

mileage that there gas counterparts. They talk more about how your helping
the environment on emissions that saving gas or you money. Plus like has
been said, they cost more, so are you really saving money? For me, I just
try and make all my trips in a organized fashion. Also to me it seems like
these hybrids should be getting better mileage than they do, I seem to
remember the Geo Metro getting like almost 50 mpg. and now I hear them
bragging about 32 or 34 mpg! to me it seems like they lost something
somewhere. Sorry for the rant.
Jason Fiegel
69 chevelle

[Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)

[Karl Groves]

If I may make a general comment, not exactly directed towards Matthew, but
towards his general sentiment:
 
Please understand that this list MAY NOT be the only list that some people
belong to.  Personally, I subscribe to 6 discussion lists, 4 of which are
professional in nature, 2 are recreational.  Three of the discussion lists I
read are extremely high volume - upwards of 40 messages a day on each.  I
hit the Delete key rather frequently.
 
One thing that is important to understand is WHY people subscribe to the
list. Naturally, people subscribe to this list because they are interested
in Chevelles.  If the conversation turns toward a different topic, the list
loses its worth.  Even worse, it could chase away worthwhile contributors
who would rather unsubscribe than have to constantly delete off-topic
messages.  In other words - when the signal to noise ratio has gotten to
the point where the noise is greater than the signal, people unsubscribe
which in-turn causes a further downward spiral in message quality causing
more people to unsubscribe and so on.
 
The main thing this list seems to be missing is a spirit of netiquette that
used to be the norm back when only geeks had computers.  As a by-product of
making computers cheaper  easier to use, a lot of people are now online and
participating in discussion lists such as this one without having gained any
knowledge of netiquette.  That's fine. We all have to start somewhere. But
it is important that some rules of order be established for the greater
good of all.
 
If I may suggest some netiquette, here's a quick list of guidelines that I
think will make any discussion list operate more smoothly. This is all just
slapped together in no particular order.

(Pay close attention to #5)


1. If your post is relevant only to one member of the list, please contact
that person using personal e-mail. However, some messages, though personal
in nature, may also be relevant or useful for multiple
members of the list. In such a case, it is definitely good to post to the
whole list.

2. Use the subject line to announce your topic effectively. We all get a lot
of e-mail and a descriptive subject line will help to identify a message and
will help other members decide whether the message is relevant or of
interest to them.

3. Use only one topic per message. If your message spans multiple topics,
it'd be best to split that message up into multiple posts. That way it is
more helpful for people to follow and may also get you better responses
(because some people might not open your message if the subject doesn't look
interesting)

4. Be thoughtful when posting information from other lists. Many of us are
on several lists. Instead of a simple forward of the posting, add a note
about why you found the other message informative and relevant.

5. If the message is off-topic, but you think people might be interested,
post it. But make sure you mark it as Off-Topic or OT in the subject
line.  Please try to remember though, that too many off-topic posts are
going to drive up the signal-to-noise ratio.  Only make off-topic posts if
you think it will be welcomed by the other members, won't cause a flame-war,
and really is interesting.

6. Do not forward or share others' e-mail without permission. Believe it or
not, email messages are covered under Copyright law. So, even beyond the
lack of good taste, reposting someone's email without
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7. Restate (or, quote) some of the message you're replying to so your
reply makes sense. I cannot state this enough. Reading a reply that does not
quote the original message is like walking into a conversation at the punch
line of a good joke.  It just doesn't make sense. Therefore, make sure you
quote the person you're replying to.  Helpful info at:
http://email.about.com/cs/netiquettetips/qt/et090402.htm

8. When responding to another's message, don't quote the entire message.
Delete any excess text that isn't relevant to your response.

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10. DON'T TYPE IN ALL CAPS. This is perceived as shouting.

11. Use emoticons (also known as smileys) when trying to convey a tone of
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conveying tone. An emoticon may help avert an argument.

12. Consider carefully what you write; it's a permanent record and can be
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13. Don't send entire web pages to a discussion group, just the URLs (web
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15. When forwarding messages, put a few comments at the top of the message
about why you 

Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids

[John Nasta]

You are right. It seems like the safer people think their car is, the more
wild chances they take.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of vin
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:08 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids

look you miss understand---I didn't mean hey your in a big truck and now I'm
god on the road. I'm talking from 20 years in the auto-truck industry-and 15
years as a f.f I've seen both sides of the coin injuries to people and
cars---logically the closer the dash is to your knees legs etc. the faster
it will be on top of you in a crash. besides all people think there
invincible remember with anti-lock brakes,does not mean you can drive faster
in ice and snow and then be able to stop like dry pavement. people are there
worst enemy to them selves.

Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)

[Dave Corgill]

At 11:14 AM 2/3/2006, you wrote:

If I may make a general comment, not exactly directed towards
Matthew, but
towards his general sentiment:

The main thing this list seems to be missing is a spirit of
netiquette that
used to be the norm back when only geeks had computers. As a
by-product of
making computers cheaper  easier to use, a lot of people are now
online and
participating in discussion lists such as this one without having
gained any
knowledge of netiquette. That's fine. We all have
to start somewhere. But
it is important that some rules of order be established
for the greater
good of all.
(Pay close attention to #5)
Ok now pay close attention to #1
#1 This is a list for people with Chevelles, we talk about them.
Then we BS about other things. Just like Chevelle people would
do in their garage .
It is a fun forum , we have a way to un-sub, I'm sure someone
will post it...

Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids

[Dave Corgill]

At 11:20 AM 2/3/2006, you wrote:

You are right. It seems like the safer people think their
car is, the more
wild chances they take.

Right John, seems like since the air-bags they think they are
invincible..
Oh,Oh, now the New list person that don't like off topic
stuff will come down on both of us
So he don't bitch, do Chevelles have air-bags ;)

Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids

[Karl Groves]

Wow. You're hilarious, man.
I was just trying to provide helpful advice. 

Sorry for trying to help. I'll try not to do that 
anymore.

Karl GrovesMaster Certified CIWhttp://www.karlgroves.comWill Work 
For Parts:http://chevelle.karlcore.com/detail.php?id=3 



  
  
  From: Dave Corgill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:37 PMTo: The Chevelle 
  Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: 
  hybrids
  At 11:20 AM 2/3/2006, you wrote:You 
  are right. It seems like the "safer" people think their car is, the 
  morewild chances they take.Right John, seems like 
  since the air-bags they think they areinvincible..Oh,Oh, now the 
  "New" list person that don't like off topicstuff will come down on both of 
  usSo he don't bitch, do Chevelles have air-bags ;) 

Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids

[John Nasta]

Just
remember that trucks are more top-heavy than cars, and they are heavier, and dont
stop as quickly as a car. Sometimes stopping in time can save your life.





-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On
Behalf Of Dave Corgill
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006
12:37 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] OT:
hybrids



At 11:20 AM
2/3/2006, you wrote:

You are right. It seems like the safer people think their car
is, the more
wild chances they take.


Right John, seems like since the air-bags they think they are
invincible..

Oh,Oh, now the New list person that don't like off topic
stuff will come down on both of us

So he don't bitch, do Chevelles have air-bags ;)

Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids

[Dave Corgill]

At 11:41 AM 2/3/2006, you wrote:

Wow. You're
hilarious, man.
I was just trying to provide helpful advice. 
Sorry for trying to help. I'll try not to do that anymore.

Since I have been on this list since it started  know
how the posting goes, I don't think I or others that have
been on this list need help. But thank you for trying.

Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)

[Bill Lessenberry]

It is a fun forum , we have a
way to un-sub, I'm sure someone
will post it..
That's my cue! :-)))
To unsubscribe from this service you must first

purchase a 
Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation 
Unit. The unit can be 
obtained from most hardware stores and dental clinics. 
Be sure to obtain the proper permits to operate the 
unit from the 
Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the Food and Drug 
Administration in 
Washington D.C. USA. 
Be sure to carefully unpack the kit and place each 
component in its 
accompanying mesh safety bag. 
Mount the Pershing DF4 mesinator on top of the 
perforated Gerring Mach 
77 refibulator and attach them using the 
eight-millimeter torque fork. 
Be sure that the refibulator is mounted at a 66 degree 
angle and 
properly dispersed so that it is flush with the curved 
section of the 
Pyrex thistle tube. 
Place the four sections of the triangular separation 
gear into the 
posture cylinder and lock them into place using the 
band aid adhesive strip. 
Insert the wiggling pin into the wobbling hole, making 
sure that it 
seated correctly. 
Place the D cell battery and the eleven 9 volt 
batteries in the power 
chamber. 
The device should be calibrated before operation using 
the optional 
digital corkscrew accessory pack prior to operation. 
Insert the digital corkscrew through the electronic 
combustion service 
chamber using caution not to touch the reinforced 
tungsten igniter 
control module and quickly turn the inverter drive to 
28.6 degrees. 
Turn the Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription 
Cancellation Unit upside 
down and hit the bottom plate with a 48-ounce 
ball-peen hammer while 
shaking the unit vigorously. 
Force open the door to the incineration valve 
compartment and set the 
pressure gauge to 719 psi. 
Close the door and seal it shut with duct tape. 
The unit should now be properly calibrated and ready 
to use. 
Before activating the Craft-O-Matic Adjustable 
Subscription 
Cancellation Unit, you must first elevate it to a 
height of 229 feet 
above sea level to insure that the unit receives the 
proper oxygen level 
and barometric pressure. 
Point the aerial to 17 degrees north by northeast to 
within the 
parameters of the Telstar GS-2 weather satellite and 
apply pressure to 
the wing shaft on the southern most section of the 
modular accelerator. 
Using the special ratchet adapter supplied with the 
unit, rotate the 
heater core to the on position. The on position

has been obtained 
when the green light begins to flash, signifying that 
the red light is 
about to go off. 
Once the red light is off, flip the toggle switch 
labeled ON/OFF to 
the ON position and count to 47 before logging on to 
the system. 
Logon using your username and password and wait for 
the prompt. 
Once prompted you must check the box with the 
appropriate action you 
wish to take and then press the pressure release 
button and turn off the 
compressor while turning the hand crank at 231 meters 
per minute. 
Next, press control, alt, delete, caps lock, shift, 
number lock, escape 
and tab simultaneously. 
Press enter. You will have one second to complete the 
procedure. 
If you fail to respond in the time limit allowed, 
simply purchase a new 
Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation 
Unit and start from 
the beginning. 
Please remember that this is the only way we will 
accept for you to 
unsubscribe from this service. 
We have made every attempt to simplify the procedure 
for your 
convenience. Failure to comply with the unsubscribe 
policy will result 
in immediate termination of your subscription so 
please follow the above 
directions closely 
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Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)

[JDHall]

Zackly!

JD

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dave Corgill 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List 
  Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:33 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic 
  messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)
  At 11:14 AM 2/3/2006, you wrote:If 
  I may make a general comment, not exactly directed towards Matthew, 
  buttowards his general sentiment:The main thing this 
  list seems to be missing is a spirit of netiquette thatused to be the 
  norm back when only geeks had computers. As a by-product 
  ofmaking computers cheaper  easier to use, a lot of people are 
  now online andparticipating in discussion lists such as this one 
  without having gained anyknowledge of "netiquette". That's fine. 
  We all have to start somewhere. Butit is important that some "rules of 
  order" be established for the greatergood of all.(Pay 
  close attention to #5)Ok now pay close attention to #1#1 This 
  is a list for people with Chevelles, we talk about them.Then we BS about 
  other things. Just like Chevelle people woulddo in their garage 
  .It is a fun forum , we have a way to un-sub, I'm sure someonewill 
  post it...

Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids

[vin]

i've owned lifted trucks never a problem even off road where talkin 
stupidity with drivers if they can't drive go home- Original Message - 


  From: 
  John Nasta 
  
  To: The Chevelle Mailing List 
  Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:52 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] OT: 
  hybrids
  
  
  Just 
  remember that trucks are more top-heavy than cars, and they are heavier, and 
  don’t stop as quickly as a car. Sometimes stopping in time can save your 
  life.
  
  
  -Original 
  Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dave CorgillSent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:37 
  PMTo: The Chevelle Mailing 
  ListSubject: Re: 
  [Chevelle-list] OT: hybrids
  
  At 11:20 AM 
  2/3/2006, you wrote:You are right. It seems like the "safer" 
  people think their car is, the morewild chances they 
  take.Right John, seems like since the air-bags they think they 
  areinvincible..Oh,Oh, now the "New" list person that don't like 
  off topicstuff will come down on both of usSo he don't bitch, 
  do Chevelles have air-bags ;)

Re: [Chevelle-list] Dash Mounting Hardware - 66 67 Chevelle

[66chevelless396]

Does anyone know of a source for these. I have my dash out right now as well, not replacing them now but will at some point.

Krister

-- Original message -- From: "Larry Shouse" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Thanks Mike!   Larry  - Original Message -  From: "mike f" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List"  Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:52 AM  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Dash Mounting Hardware - 66  67 ChevelleI have my dash off. These are round "receivers" and   they are conical on the bottom so that the screw will   self-center somewhat. I can't see or have not looked   to see how they snap or clip on. mike --- Larry Shouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote: On my metal dash for my 66, I have seven evenly   spaced holes across the top for sheetmetal screws to   fasten the dash to the piece welded to the firewall   (the piece with the speaker grill and defrost   louvers in them) This welded on piece has slots   notched out where the sheetmetal screws would go.   Can someone tell me what kind of fastener I need to   put there to screw in the sheetmetal screws? I hope I'm making sense.. Thanks,   Larry   __   Do You Yahoo!?   Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around   http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [Chevelle-list] ground straps and shims

[66chevelless396]

Locationsdepend on year."66 V8 - head to fire wall passenger side using a separate screw just off the lower corner of the heater box. Body to Frame uses the positive cable clip bolt on the frame and then screws to the inner fender well. I bought the same 3 cable ground set and trying to determine with the assemble manual where the third one goes for correct location.

Krister

-- Original message -- From: Rick Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Agree with john on the back of the head to firewall, also from engine nearthe engine mount to the crossmember that engine mount sits on, and third is from body to frame and i think john is right again- lower part of firewall near bottom of fender to the frame. 
On 2/2/06, John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


One goes from the back of the head to the firewall on the passenger side. They are also on each side of the engine and IIRC they attach to the A-Arms or something like that. I think there is also one down at the base of the passenger side fender somewhere. Been a while since I looked at those. 



-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jimmy C.Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:12 PMTo: Chevelle ForumSubject: [Chevelle-list] ground straps and shims

I've heard it was a good thing to make sure the motor, firewall  frame were all grounded together ? or maybe it was the motor to the firewall to the fram? I bought a braided copper ground strap kit spicifficley for chevelles. can anyone tell me the proper places, where the straps should be. when I took out the small block, the only ground wires Iseen were from the harness to the firewall. thanks for any help ! Jimmy.C-- Rick Schaefer72 TPI El Camino

Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)

[plgchevelle65]

I knew all this was coming. I've been laughing all day. This is first a Chevelle List  a fun forum. And we do get off list just like we're BS'ing, etc. But it's fun  interesting. Just keep religion  politics out. I use the List for technical advice  enjoyment. I don't have thecomputer knowledge to follow that long list of email rules nor do I want my life to be that rigid. I make mistakes  miss gears on occassion but I try to be courteous.Lighten up guys. Keep it FUN!! 

Phil G. 65 SS
-Original Message-From: Bill Lessenberry [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.netSent: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:25:18 -0600Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)



It is a fun forum , we have a way to un-sub, I'm sure someonewill post it..That's my cue! :-)))To unsubscribe from this service you must first purchase a Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit. The unit can be obtained from most hardware stores and dental clinics. Be sure to obtain the proper permits to operate the unit from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the Food and Drug Administration in Washington D.C. USA. Be sure to carefully unpack the kit and place each component in its accompanying mesh safety bag. Mount the Pershing DF4 mesinator on top of the perforated Gerring Mach 77 refibulator and attach them using the eight-millimeter torque fork. Be sure that the refibulator is mounted at a 66 degree angle and properly dispersed so that it is flush with the curved section of the Pyrex thistle tube. Place the four sections of the triangular separation gear into the posture cylinder and lock them into place using the band aid adhesive strip. Insert the wiggling pin into the wobbling hole, making sure that it seated correctly. Place the D cell battery and the eleven 9 volt batteries in the power chamber. The device should be calibrated before operation using the optional digital corkscrew accessory pack prior to operation. Insert the digital corkscrew through the electronic combustion service chamber using caution not to touch the reinforced tungsten igniter control module and quickly turn the inverter drive to 28.6 degrees. Turn the Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit upside down and hit the bottom plate with a 48-ounce ball-peen hammer while shaking the unit vigorously. Force open the door to the incineration valve compartment and set the pressure gauge to 719 psi. Close the door and seal it shut with duct tape. The unit should now be properly calibrated and ready to use. Before activating the Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit, you must first elevate it to a height of 229 feet above sea level to insure that the unit receives the proper oxygen level and barometric pressure. Point the aerial to 17 degrees north by northeast to within the parameters of the Telstar GS-2 weather satellite and apply pressure to the wing shaft on the southern most section of the modular accelerator. Using the special ratchet adapter supplied with the unit, rotate the heater core to the "on" position. The "on" position has been obtained when the green light begins to flash, signifying that the red light is about to go off. Once the red light is off, flip the toggle switch labeled "ON/OFF" to the "ON" position and count to 47 before logging on to the system. Logon using your username and password and wait for the prompt. Once prompted you must check the box with the appropriate action you wish to take and then press the pressure release button and turn off the compressor while turning the hand crank at 231 meters per minute. Next, press control, alt, delete, caps lock, shift, number lock, escape and tab simultaneously. Press enter. You will have one second to complete the procedure. If you fail to respond in the time limit allowed, simply purchase a new Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit and start from the beginning. Please remember that this is the only way we will accept for you to unsubscribe from this service. We have made every attempt to simplify the procedure for your convenience. Failure to comply with the unsubscribe policy will result in immediate termination of your subscription so please follow the above directions closely Regards The Chevelle List 

Re: [Chevelle-list] Keep it fun

[Paul Kaiser]

I 
agree Phil Keep it Fun 
!!!

  - Original Message - 
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net 
  
  Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:42 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic 
  messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)
  
  
  
  I knew all this was coming. I've been laughing all day. This 
  is first a Chevelle List  a fun forum. And we do get off list just 
  like we're BS'ing, etc. But it's fun  interesting. Just keep 
  religion  politics out. I use the List for technical advice  
  enjoyment. I don't have thecomputer knowledge to follow that long 
  list of email rules nor do I want my life to be that rigid. I make 
  mistakes  miss gears on occassion but I try to be 
  courteous.Lighten up guys. Keep it FUN!! 
  
  
  Phil G. 65 SS
  -Original Message-From: Bill 
  Lessenberry [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: The Chevelle Mailing List 
  Chevelle-list@chevelles.netSent: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:25:18 
  -0600Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: 
  eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)
  

  
  It is a fun forum , we have a way 
to un-sub, I'm sure someonewill post it..That's my 
  cue! :-)))To unsubscribe from 
  this service you must first purchase a Craft-O-Matic Adjustable 
  Subscription Cancellation Unit. The unit can be obtained from most 
  hardware stores and dental clinics. Be sure to obtain the proper permits 
  to operate the unit from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the 
  Food and Drug Administration in Washington D.C. USA. Be sure to 
  carefully unpack the kit and place each component in its accompanying 
  mesh safety bag. Mount the Pershing DF4 mesinator on top of the 
  perforated Gerring Mach 77 refibulator and attach them using the 
  eight-millimeter torque fork. Be sure that the refibulator is mounted 
  at a 66 degree angle and properly dispersed so that it is flush with 
  the curved section of the Pyrex thistle tube. Place the four 
  sections of the triangular separation gear into the posture cylinder 
  and lock them into place using the band aid adhesive strip. Insert the 
  wiggling pin into the wobbling hole, making sure that it seated 
  correctly. Place the D cell battery and the eleven 9 volt batteries in 
  the power chamber. The device should be calibrated before operation 
  using the optional digital corkscrew accessory pack prior to 
  operation. Insert the digital corkscrew through the electronic 
  combustion service chamber using caution not to touch the reinforced 
  tungsten igniter control module and quickly turn the inverter drive to 
  28.6 degrees. Turn the Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription 
  Cancellation Unit upside down and hit the bottom plate with a 48-ounce 
  ball-peen hammer while shaking the unit vigorously. Force open the 
  door to the incineration valve compartment and set the pressure gauge 
  to 719 psi. Close the door and seal it shut with duct tape. The unit 
  should now be properly calibrated and ready to use. Before activating 
  the Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit, you must 
  first elevate it to a height of 229 feet above sea level to insure 
  that the unit receives the proper oxygen level and barometric 
  pressure. Point the aerial to 17 degrees north by northeast to within 
  the parameters of the Telstar GS-2 weather satellite and apply 
  pressure to the wing shaft on the southern most section of the modular 
  accelerator. Using the special ratchet adapter supplied with the unit, 
  rotate the heater core to the "on" position. The "on" position has 
  been obtained when the green light begins to flash, signifying that 
  the red light is about to go off. Once the red light is off, flip 
  the toggle switch labeled "ON/OFF" to the "ON" position and count to 
  47 before logging on to the system. Logon using your username and 
  password and wait for the prompt. Once prompted you must check the box 
  with the appropriate action you wish to take and then press the 
  pressure release button and turn off the compressor while turning the 
  hand crank at 231 meters per minute. Next, press control, alt, delete, 
  caps lock, shift, number lock, escape and tab simultaneously. 
  Press enter. You will have one second to complete the procedure. 
  If you fail to respond in the time limit allowed, simply purchase a 
  new Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit and start 
  from the beginning. Please remember that this is the only way we will 
  accept for you to unsubscribe from this service. We have made 
  every attempt to simplify the procedure for your convenience. Failure 
  to comply with the unsubscribe policy will result in immediate 
  termination of your subscription so please follow the above directions 
  closely Regards The Chevelle List 

Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)

[Karl Groves]

Everyone needs to relax a bit here. I was trying to 
HELP. I don't want any rules and, in fact, don't even care about OT posts. 
Someone else had taken issue with OT posts and I posted a list of Netiquette 
guidelines. One of those guidelines was merely to mark off-topic posts so people 
knew the thing was off-topic (and could therefore read or promptly delete the 
message).

I don't want rules, don't need rules, and I'm not lobbying 
for rules. I posted a list of helpful guidelines to help people get along 
better (cuz it looked like the OT post issue was gonna get out of 
hand).
That's all!

Karl GrovesMaster Certified CIWhttp://www.karlgroves.comWill Work 
For Parts:http://chevelle.karlcore.com/detail.php?id=3 



  
  
  From: JDHall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:29 PMTo: The Chevelle 
  Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was 
  RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)
  
  Zackly!
  
  JD
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Dave 
Corgill 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List 

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:33 
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic 
messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)
At 11:14 AM 2/3/2006, you 
wrote:If I may make a general comment, not exactly directed 
towards Matthew, buttowards his general 
sentiment:The main thing this list seems to be missing is a 
spirit of netiquette thatused to be the norm back when only geeks 
had computers. As a by-product ofmaking computers cheaper 
 easier to use, a lot of people are now online andparticipating 
in discussion lists such as this one without having gained 
anyknowledge of "netiquette". That's fine. We all have to 
start somewhere. Butit is important that some "rules of order" be 
established for the greatergood of all.(Pay close 
attention to #5)Ok now pay close attention to #1#1 This is a 
list for people with Chevelles, we talk about them.Then we BS about 
other things. Just like Chevelle people woulddo in their garage 
.It is a fun forum , we have a way to un-sub, I'm sure 
someonewill post 
it...

Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)

[harkemasso]

I AGREE!
Harlan-Original Message-From: Karl Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Chevelle-list@chevelles.netSent: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:11:51 -0500Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)





Everyone needs to relax a bit here. I was trying to HELP. I don't want any rules and, in fact, don't even care about OT posts. Someone else had taken issue with OT posts and I posted a list of Netiquette guidelines. One of those guidelines was merely to mark off-topic posts so people knew the thing was off-topic (and could therefore read or promptly delete the message).

I don't want rules, don't need rules, and I'm not lobbying for rules. I posted a list of helpful guidelines to help people get along better (cuz it looked like the OT post issue was gonna get out of hand).
That's all!

Karl GrovesMaster Certified CIWhttp://www.karlgroves.comWill Work For Parts:http://chevelle.karlcore.com/detail.php?id=3 




From: JDHall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:29 PMTo: The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)

Zackly!

JD

- Original Message - 
From: Dave Corgill 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List 
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)
At 11:14 AM 2/3/2006, you wrote:If I may make a general comment, not exactly directed towards Matthew, buttowards his general sentiment:The main thing this list seems to be missing is a spirit of netiquette thatused to be the norm back when only geeks had computers. As a by-product ofmaking computers cheaper  easier to use, a lot of people are now online andparticipating in discussion lists such as this one without having gained anyknowledge of "netiquette". That's fine. We all have to start somewhere. Butit is important that some "rules of order" be established for the greatergood of all.(Pay close attention to #5)Ok now pay close attention to #1#1 This is a list for people with Chevelles, we talk about them.Then we BS about other things. Just like Chevelle people woulddo in their garage .It is a fun forum , we have a way to un-sub, I'm sure someonewill post it...

[Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[John W. Lonadier, Jr.]

Title: Message




I would like to some 
feed back on how a some of you on the list feel about roller tipped rockers 
versus the regular type. I'm getting ready to put the "new" heads on my car and 
a co-worker suggested I use the roller tip type. His justification was this, 
"with the roller tip rockers the valve will not be getting pushed down in a side 
motion where as the roller tips allow the valve to be pushed straight up and 
down not prematurely wearing out the valve guides". I was not thinking of this 
as in increase in horse power, just looking to have the heads on there for a 
while without having to pull them off and have the guides replaced again because 
all that was done when the heads were machined.

Thanks in 
advance.


John L.
ACES 
#5597
70 
LS5TRIBUTE
http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.html

Re: [Chevelle-list] Dash Mounting Hardware - 66 67 Chevelle

[mike f]

Let me know if there is something more I can help
describe or whatever. 

mike

--- Larry Shouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Thanks Mike!
 
 Larry
 - Original Message - 
 From: mike f [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: The Chevelle Mailing List
 Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
 Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Dash Mounting Hardware
 - 66  67 Chevelle
 
 
 I have my dash off. These are round receivers and
  they are conical on the bottom so that the screw
 will
  self-center somewhat. I can't see or have not
 looked
  to see how they snap or clip on. 
  
  mike
  
  --- Larry Shouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
  On my metal dash for my 66, I have seven evenly
  spaced holes across the top for sheetmetal screws
 to
  fasten the dash to the piece welded to the
 firewall
  (the piece with the speaker grill and defrost
  louvers in them) This welded on piece has slots
  notched out where the sheetmetal screws would go.
  Can someone tell me what kind of fastener I need
 to
  put there to screw in the sheetmetal screws? 
  
  I hope I'm making sense..
  
  Thanks,
  Larry
  
  
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Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)

[KW]

Well put Phil, and I think that if everyone 
actually reads the "rules" (suggestions) that Karl posted they would see that 
they make a lot of sense.The suggestionstill allow for OT post and 
more than enough "fun" - they just give people who don't want to have any fun a 
heads up so they can delete before becoming offended.

I have been on another list for years, a list much 
like this, lots of information with some fun mixed in for good measure. I would 
sometimes receive upwards of 150 messages a day! Well,a couple of the 1400 
members on the list started complaining about the "noise" and effectively killed 
the list, they took out the "human" side and soon there after all the tech stuff 
just got boring. Thereare only a limited number problems or questions that 
you can have about a certain car, after constantly rehashing the same info, with 
no added "humor" it just died... Now all that's left is about 5 post a day 
asking about tire size and factory paint colors.

Keith

  
  
  
  I knew all this was coming. I've been laughing all day. This 
  is first a Chevelle List  a fun forum. And we do get off list just 
  like we're BS'ing, etc. But it's fun  interesting. Just keep 
  religion  politics out. I use the List for technical advice  
  enjoyment. I don't have thecomputer knowledge to follow that long 
  list of email rules nor do I want my life to be that rigid. I make 
  mistakes  miss gears on occassion but I try to be 
  courteous.Lighten up guys. Keep it FUN!! 
  
  
  Phil G. 65 SS

[Chevelle-list] brake line block relocation

[Jimmy C.]

I installed a set of Hooker supercomps 
with Jet Hot coating 2"inch primery tubes, in my "72" with manual trans. 
fits everywhere, but is rubbing the brake line block. The directions say to move 
the block to the top of the frame. that would be crowding the Z-bar. did 
anybody come across this ? what minimum clearance is needed from the pipe? 
thanks, Jimmy.C

Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[mike f]

Hey John. (Disclaimer: I have roller rockers) I would
think either technology will give you the performance
and durability you're looking for. Stamped steel
metallurgy and lubrication quality would last very
long on a mild mannered setup. 

But here is the rub. If you want to heat the motor up
some, that means better springs, and Cam,  Rollers or
perhaps longer billit's? The questions you may want to
ask yourself, to me, is Do you like to drive it like
you stole it?  Or do you want any bragging rights
that come with the HRQ? Hot Rod Quotient, that is.
lol.  I may not have helped much. 

mike

--- John W. Lonadier, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I would like to some feed back on how a some of you
 on the list feel
 about roller tipped rockers versus the regular type.
 I'm getting ready
 to put the new heads on my car and a co-worker
 suggested I use the
 roller tip type. His justification was this, with
 the roller tip
 rockers the valve will not be getting pushed down in
 a side motion where
 as the roller tips allow the valve to be pushed
 straight up and down not
 prematurely wearing out the valve guides. I was not
 thinking of this as
 in increase in horse power, just looking to have the
 heads on there for
 a while without having to pull them off and have the
 guides replaced
 again because all that was done when the heads were
 machined.
  
 Thanks in advance.
  
 
 John L.
 
 ACES #5597
 
 70 LS5 TRIBUTE
 
 http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
 
  

http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.htm
 l

http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.html
 
  
 


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Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[Dale]

John,

I can't speak for the technical aspect of the roller tipped rockers over
factory but I did replace my stock units with a set of Comp Cams Magnum
roller tipped units mainly because my rockers were getting worn and I was
installing a new cam anyway and they looked sexy.

From a practical standpoint, they may very well ease valve guide wear
although I'm not sure just what is considered 'premature wear'?  Did you
replace all the valves as well and were the stems deformed?  How many miles
did your head have before you had them rebuilt and did they need valve guide
replacement versus how many miles you plan on running them now?  Point is,
if you got 40K-50K miles on the original set of guides you should be able to
get that from replacements.  If you plan on driving it for like miles, the
roller tipped rockers may be a good investment.

Dale McIntosh
67 El Camino
1967 Chevelle Reference CD!
http://www.chevellecd.com
ACES #1709/TC Gold #92

--- John W. Lonadier, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I would like to some feed back on how a some of you
 on the list feel
 about roller tipped rockers versus the regular type.
 I'm getting ready
 to put the new heads on my car and a co-worker
 suggested I use the
 roller tip type. His justification was this, with
 the roller tip
 rockers the valve will not be getting pushed down in
 a side motion where
 as the roller tips allow the valve to be pushed
 straight up and down not
 prematurely wearing out the valve guides. I was not
 thinking of this as
 in increase in horse power, just looking to have the
 heads on there for
 a while without having to pull them off and have the
 guides replaced
 again because all that was done when the heads were
 machined.
  
 Thanks in advance.
  
 
 John L.
 
 ACES #5597
 
 70 LS5 TRIBUTE
 
 http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
 

Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[Herb Lumpp]

Title: Message



Hi 
John,

Most 
manufacturers of roller (full and/or tip) claim as much as a 40 hp increase due 
to more accurate rocker ratios. According to the manufacturers, stock 
stamped rocker ratios vary from 1.4 to 1.5 when the spec calls for 1.52 
(standard small block Chevy). If the rocker ratio isn't what it's supposed 
to be, the valve won't realize full lift from the cam.

For 
example, if your lobe lift is .361" and the rocker ratio is supposed to 1.7, 
valve lift should be .613".If your rockers aren't a true 1.7 ratio, 
but more like 1.6 your valve lift would only be .577". Less lift means 
less power. You also losea bit of duration with less rocker 
ratio.

You 
mention the other benefit below about less valveguide wear. So, all 
things considered, getting more hp and less wear on your engine is a good thing 
and worth the extra moneyin my opinion.
Herb Lumpphttp://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm


  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of John W. 
  Lonadier, Jr.Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:28 PMTo: 
  Chevelle NetSubject: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular 
  rockers
  
  I would like to 
  some feed back on how a some of you on the list feel about roller tipped 
  rockers versus the regular type. I'm getting ready to put the "new" heads on 
  my car and a co-worker suggested I use the roller tip type. His justification 
  was this, "with the roller tip rockers the valve will not be getting pushed 
  down in a side motion where as the roller tips allow the valve to be pushed 
  straight up and down not prematurely wearing out the valve guides". I was not 
  thinking of this as in increase in horse power, just looking to have the heads 
  on there for a while without having to pull them off and have the guides 
  replaced again because all that was done when the heads were 
  machined.
  
  Thanks in 
  advance.
  
  
  John L.
  ACES 
  #5597
  70 
  LS5TRIBUTE
  http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
  http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.html
  

Re: [Chevelle-list] FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm

[NtOwlPro]

Great post..seems like things ought to lighten up a bit..I learn a lot on 
this list and some of it isn't Chevelle related..if you don't like the subject 
on the subject line hit the delete button, that's what it's there for.. 
tom p

Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[John W. Lonadier, Jr.]

Mike, any feed back is helpful. As far as the HRQ, I don't really need
it but it would be nice. I was thinking of going with the stamped roller
tips because I want to stay with the original look chrome valve covers.
My setup is pretty mild, 272 adv duration with .515 lift. This isn't a
barn burner, I just wanted a strong street motor with good throttle
response that I could lay a couple of black stripes every once in a
while.

John L.
ACES #5597
70 LS5 TRIBUTE
http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.html


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike f
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:12 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers


Hey John. (Disclaimer: I have roller rockers) I would
think either technology will give you the performance
and durability you're looking for. Stamped steel
metallurgy and lubrication quality would last very
long on a mild mannered setup. 

But here is the rub. If you want to heat the motor up
some, that means better springs, and Cam,  Rollers or
perhaps longer billit's? The questions you may want to
ask yourself, to me, is Do you like to drive it like
you stole it?  Or do you want any bragging rights
that come with the HRQ? Hot Rod Quotient, that is.
lol.  I may not have helped much. 

mike

--- John W. Lonadier, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I would like to some feed back on how a some of you
 on the list feel
 about roller tipped rockers versus the regular type.
 I'm getting ready
 to put the new heads on my car and a co-worker
 suggested I use the
 roller tip type. His justification was this, with
 the roller tip
 rockers the valve will not be getting pushed down in
 a side motion where
 as the roller tips allow the valve to be pushed
 straight up and down not
 prematurely wearing out the valve guides. I was not
 thinking of this as
 in increase in horse power, just looking to have the
 heads on there for
 a while without having to pull them off and have the
 guides replaced
 again because all that was done when the heads were
 machined.
  
 Thanks in advance.
  
 
 John L.
 
 ACES #5597
 
 70 LS5 TRIBUTE
 
 http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
 
  

http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.htm
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http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.html
 
  
 


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Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[John W. Lonadier, Jr.]

Dale, I don't know how many miles were on the heads before I sent them
to the machine shop to have the 2.19  1.88 valves put in them because I
bought the heads form a guy around here and he didn't know much about
them. I also do not know how bad the guides were, the guy doing the work
just called and told me the guides were bad. I had all new valve guides
put in along with new springs, retainers, locks, pushrod guides, seals
and studs. It's like having a new set of heads.

John L.
ACES #5597
70 LS5 TRIBUTE
http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.html


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:30 PM
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers




John,

I can't speak for the technical aspect of the roller tipped rockers over
factory but I did replace my stock units with a set of Comp Cams Magnum
roller tipped units mainly because my rockers were getting worn and I
was installing a new cam anyway and they looked sexy.

From a practical standpoint, they may very well ease valve guide wear
although I'm not sure just what is considered 'premature wear'?  Did you
replace all the valves as well and were the stems deformed?  How many
miles did your head have before you had them rebuilt and did they need
valve guide replacement versus how many miles you plan on running them
now?  Point is, if you got 40K-50K miles on the original set of guides
you should be able to get that from replacements.  If you plan on
driving it for like miles, the roller tipped rockers may be a good
investment.

Dale McIntosh
67 El Camino
1967 Chevelle Reference CD!
http://www.chevellecd.com
ACES #1709/TC Gold #92

--- John W. Lonadier, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I would like to some feed back on how a some of you
 on the list feel
 about roller tipped rockers versus the regular type.
 I'm getting ready
 to put the new heads on my car and a co-worker
 suggested I use the
 roller tip type. His justification was this, with
 the roller tip
 rockers the valve will not be getting pushed down in
 a side motion where
 as the roller tips allow the valve to be pushed
 straight up and down not
 prematurely wearing out the valve guides. I was not
 thinking of this as
 in increase in horse power, just looking to have the
 heads on there for
 a while without having to pull them off and have the
 guides replaced
 again because all that was done when the heads were
 machined.
  
 Thanks in advance.
  
 
 John L.
 
 ACES #5597
 
 70 LS5 TRIBUTE
 
 http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
 

Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[John W. Lonadier, Jr.]

Title: Message



Thanks 
Herb, any gain in hp on top of putting the new heads on will be a plus. After 
receiving replies from you, Mike and Dale I think I'll be ordering a set this 
week. I plan on doing the swap sometime in the next couple of weeks. I want to 
put all new bolts in the intake and exhaust. I will be getting them from a local 
nut and bolt house but they are only open Monday though Friday, another thing we 
around here have to deal with since the storm. Not enough people to go around 
for all the businesses to be open as they were before the 
storm.



John L.
ACES 
#5597
70 
LS5TRIBUTE
http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.html

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herb 
  LumppSent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:31 PMTo: The 
  Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus 
  regular rockers
  Hi 
  John,
  
  Most 
  manufacturers of roller (full and/or tip) claim as much as a 40 hp increase 
  due to more accurate rocker ratios. According to the manufacturers, 
  stock stamped rocker ratios vary from 1.4 to 1.5 when the spec calls for 1.52 
  (standard small block Chevy). If the rocker ratio isn't what it's 
  supposed to be, the valve won't realize full lift from the 
  cam.
  
  For 
  example, if your lobe lift is .361" and the rocker ratio is supposed to 1.7, 
  valve lift should be .613".If your rockers aren't a true 1.7 
  ratio, but more like 1.6 your valve lift would only be .577". Less lift 
  means less power. You also losea bit of duration with less rocker 
  ratio.
  
  You 
  mention the other benefit below about less valveguide wear. So, 
  all things considered, getting more hp and less wear on your engine is a good 
  thing and worth the extra moneyin my opinion.
  Herb Lumpphttp://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm
  
  
-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of John W. 
Lonadier, Jr.Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:28 
PMTo: Chevelle NetSubject: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip 
versus regular rockers

I would like to 
some feed back on how a some of you on the list feel about roller tipped 
rockers versus the regular type. I'm getting ready to put the "new" heads on 
my car and a co-worker suggested I use the roller tip type. His 
justification was this, "with the roller tip rockers the valve will not be 
getting pushed down in a side motion where as the roller tips allow the 
valve to be pushed straight up and down not prematurely wearing out the 
valve guides". I was not thinking of this as in increase in horse power, 
just looking to have the heads on there for a while without having to pull 
them off and have the guides replaced again because all that was done when 
the heads were machined.

Thanks in 
advance.


John L.
ACES 
#5597
70 
LS5TRIBUTE
http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.html

[Chevelle-list] 396..502..next best choice

[NtOwlPro]

Hi All.
I've been off for a while but I wanted to thank all of you for some great 
replies to my question about which engine to put in my 67 SS. My 396 needs a lot 
of work so I think it would be a great project for me to do (rebuild..) I 
originally liked the idea of putting a 502 crate motor in but someone 
said(I think it was Clint)that I would have to use a different hood 
and I want to leave the appearance as stock as I can, I really like the 67SS 
hood..my question is what now? I've checked on eBay and have found a 
number of motors that sound good but am not sure..Would a 454 be a good 
idea? I also saw a 427 L88 up for bids..that might be cool too..I'm open 
for all suggestions..thank you all, sorry for the long winded post.
tom p

Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[Dale]

John,

Considering all that was replaced (especially the studs), I'd spring for a
set of roller tipped if you budget allows it. They should come with nuts as
well but if not, definitely get a new set of nuts for the rockers to go with
the new studs.

Dale McIntosh
67 El Camino
1967 Chevelle Reference CD!
http://www.chevellecd.com
ACES #1709/TC Gold #92

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John W. Lonadier,
Jr.
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:43 PM
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

Dale, I don't know how many miles were on the heads before I sent them
to the machine shop to have the 2.19  1.88 valves put in them because I
bought the heads form a guy around here and he didn't know much about
them. I also do not know how bad the guides were, the guy doing the work
just called and told me the guides were bad. I had all new valve guides
put in along with new springs, retainers, locks, pushrod guides, seals
and studs. It's like having a new set of heads.

John L.
ACES #5597
70 LS5 TRIBUTE
http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.html


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:30 PM
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers




John,

I can't speak for the technical aspect of the roller tipped rockers over
factory but I did replace my stock units with a set of Comp Cams Magnum
roller tipped units mainly because my rockers were getting worn and I
was installing a new cam anyway and they looked sexy.

From a practical standpoint, they may very well ease valve guide wear
although I'm not sure just what is considered 'premature wear'?  Did you
replace all the valves as well and were the stems deformed?  How many
miles did your head have before you had them rebuilt and did they need
valve guide replacement versus how many miles you plan on running them
now?  Point is, if you got 40K-50K miles on the original set of guides
you should be able to get that from replacements.  If you plan on
driving it for like miles, the roller tipped rockers may be a good
investment.

Dale McIntosh
67 El Camino
1967 Chevelle Reference CD!
http://www.chevellecd.com
ACES #1709/TC Gold #92

--- John W. Lonadier, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I would like to some feed back on how a some of you
 on the list feel
 about roller tipped rockers versus the regular type.
 I'm getting ready
 to put the new heads on my car and a co-worker
 suggested I use the
 roller tip type. His justification was this, with
 the roller tip
 rockers the valve will not be getting pushed down in
 a side motion where
 as the roller tips allow the valve to be pushed
 straight up and down not
 prematurely wearing out the valve guides. I was not
 thinking of this as
 in increase in horse power, just looking to have the
 heads on there for
 a while without having to pull them off and have the
 guides replaced
 again because all that was done when the heads were
 machined.
  
 Thanks in advance.
  
 
 John L.
 
 ACES #5597
 
 70 LS5 TRIBUTE
 
 http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
 

Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[Malibu65]

John W. Lonadier, Jr. wrote:


Mike, any feed back is helpful. As far as the HRQ, I don't really need
it but it would be nice. I was thinking of going with the stamped roller
tips because I want to stay with the original look chrome valve covers.
My setup is pretty mild, 272 adv duration with .515 lift. This isn't a
barn burner, I just wanted a strong street motor with good throttle
response that I could lay a couple of black stripes every once in a
while.

John L.
ACES #5597
70 LS5 TRIBUTE
 

This is good info!  Now I want to install roller rockers on my Vortec 
heads.
I'll only need the stamped roller kind due to keeping my chrome valve 
covers as well.
Anyone know of a source for the self aligning type of roller rockers 
the new

generation heads require?  Who's got the best price?
Looks like I'm ready to order!  :-)

Chuck K
65 Malibu  vortec'd  327 - 4 speed
I really like this list!   (and my Chevelle)

Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[John W. Lonadier, Jr.]

Dale, that is the only thing I will be re-using. I had jut put on a set
of posi lock nuts, but thanks for the reply.

John L.
ACES #5597
70 LS5 TRIBUTE
http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.html


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:54 PM
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers


John,

Considering all that was replaced (especially the studs), I'd spring for
a set of roller tipped if you budget allows it. They should come with
nuts as well but if not, definitely get a new set of nuts for the
rockers to go with the new studs.

Dale McIntosh
67 El Camino
1967 Chevelle Reference CD!
http://www.chevellecd.com
ACES #1709/TC Gold #92

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John W.
Lonadier, Jr.
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:43 PM
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

Dale, I don't know how many miles were on the heads before I sent them
to the machine shop to have the 2.19  1.88 valves put in them because I
bought the heads form a guy around here and he didn't know much about
them. I also do not know how bad the guides were, the guy doing the work
just called and told me the guides were bad. I had all new valve guides
put in along with new springs, retainers, locks, pushrod guides, seals
and studs. It's like having a new set of heads.

John L.
ACES #5597
70 LS5 TRIBUTE
http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.html


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:30 PM
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers




John,

I can't speak for the technical aspect of the roller tipped rockers over
factory but I did replace my stock units with a set of Comp Cams Magnum
roller tipped units mainly because my rockers were getting worn and I
was installing a new cam anyway and they looked sexy.

From a practical standpoint, they may very well ease valve guide wear
although I'm not sure just what is considered 'premature wear'?  Did you
replace all the valves as well and were the stems deformed?  How many
miles did your head have before you had them rebuilt and did they need
valve guide replacement versus how many miles you plan on running them
now?  Point is, if you got 40K-50K miles on the original set of guides
you should be able to get that from replacements.  If you plan on
driving it for like miles, the roller tipped rockers may be a good
investment.

Dale McIntosh
67 El Camino
1967 Chevelle Reference CD!
http://www.chevellecd.com
ACES #1709/TC Gold #92

--- John W. Lonadier, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I would like to some feed back on how a some of you
 on the list feel
 about roller tipped rockers versus the regular type.
 I'm getting ready
 to put the new heads on my car and a co-worker
 suggested I use the
 roller tip type. His justification was this, with
 the roller tip
 rockers the valve will not be getting pushed down in
 a side motion where
 as the roller tips allow the valve to be pushed
 straight up and down not
 prematurely wearing out the valve guides. I was not
 thinking of this as
 in increase in horse power, just looking to have the
 heads on there for
 a while without having to pull them off and have the
 guides replaced
 again because all that was done when the heads were
 machined.
  
 Thanks in advance.
  
 
 John L.
 
 ACES #5597
 
 70 LS5 TRIBUTE
 
 http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
 

Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Black...

[Z16CHEVELLEGUY]

Yeah what Karl said :)
Larry 
(Z)

Re: [Chevelle-list] brake line block relocation

[Dan Mascheck]

I have the same headers on my 72..they are a tight fit. I do have the Hydraboost
Brake system on mine. There was no problem.



 Dan Mascheck











From: Jimmy C.
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006
4:04 PM
To: Chevelle Forum
Subject: [Chevelle-list] brake
line block relocation







I installed a set of Hooker supercomps with
Jet Hot coating 2inch primery tubes, in my 72 with manual
trans. fits everywhere, but is rubbing the brake line block. The
directions say to move the block to the top of the frame. that would be
crowding the Z-bar. did anybody come across this ? what minimum clearance is
needed from the pipe? thanks, Jimmy.C

[Chevelle-list] Solid lifters Vs hydraulic

[Dan Mascheck]

I'm curious to know why someone would want solid Vs hydraulic lifters. I
know the obvious...the performance gain with the solid lifters, butI
remember my old days with several old VW Bugs and having to adjust the valve
lash every 6000 miles. 

If you have a cruiser, why would you want solid lifters, unless you like
popping the valve covers off every so many miles!? 

I can understand hydraulic rollers, but not solid ones! If I was drag racing
all the time...OK.

  Dan Mascheck

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[Ron]

Relax. No sense it getting all bunched up.
Id kinda like to see Chevelle related message in my inbox myself



Ron

My '66 http://myweb.cableone.net/cutter169/













From:
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Behalf Of Matthew Post
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006
9:11 AM
To: The
 Chevelle Mailing List; 'The
 Chevelle Mailing List'
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eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm





Learn to read the subject line and find your delete key.it's not
that hard.


At 06:50 PM 2/2/2006, Darren wrote:



I thought we were a car club list. Please
send car related messages as was so strongly noted just a few days ago.

Darren







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Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006
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To: The
 Chevelle Mailing List
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Don't
ever open executeable files (.exe) and delete attachments that you're not at
least 100% sure of their origin.
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HH Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
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Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[Brian Knight]

Cat has self-aligning roller rockers for about $135 for the aluminum style 
and $180 for the stainless type. I have a set of the aluminum ones one my 
Vortec head 350 and have had no problems for over 10,000 miles.


 Brian


 This is good info!  Now I want to install roller rockers on my Vortec 
heads.
I'll only need the stamped roller kind due to keeping my chrome valve 
covers as well.
Anyone know of a source for the self aligning type of roller rockers the 
new

generation heads require?  Who's got the best price?
Looks like I'm ready to order!  :-)

Chuck K
65 Malibu  vortec'd  327 - 4 speed
I really like this list!   (and my Chevelle)




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[Chevelle-list] That parking light stuff

[Malibu65]

Harlan asked a good question in an e-mail directly to me.
It's a good concern so I'm forwarding it to the list.


[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  
  
I had that same question in the mid 70's when I was an
electronics tech school student. I wanted to
make my parking lights stay on. So on my '65 I removed the headlight
switch to see what I could do.
I noticed a small brass shorting bar on the switch's pins. After poking
around with a meter I found
that I could move a lug in the connector to the pin over the shorting
bar. It took working the lug out
of the connector with a paper clip and putting it back in the right
hole. I added those amber bulbs
to the front and my parking lights have come on with the headlights for
years.
Chuck
65 Malibu 327 - 4 speed


do the parking lights also come on by themselves as well??

Harlan
  

(humor removed)
-snip-

  
  very funny, now i ment when you pull the switch to
the parking light position will the parking lights still come on after
you do this modification??? (alone not with the headlights) 
  


 Good concern. You are simply hooking the front parking lights to the
same switch connection
as the tail lights. There is a terminal provided on the switch for
that.
You will notice that the tail lights are on for
both positions of the switch.
Nothing is changed with the head light circuit.
Hope that helps.

---
Chuck K
65 Malibu vortec'd 327 - 4 speed

Re: [Chevelle-list] brake line block relocation

[Jimmy C.]

Hey Dan, thanks for the reply, I'm not 
familiar with the hydroboost. how does it work?can you recommend a 
supplier ? because moving the brake line block looks like it could turn into a 
bigger job than I'm ready for right now, and I'm way behind where I need to be 
in oreder to be cruizin this spring :( thanks again,Jimmy.C

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dan 
  Mascheck 
  To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' 
  
  Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 6:30 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] brake line 
  block relocation
  
  
  I 
  have the same headers on my 72..they are a tight fit. I do have the Hydraboost 
  Brake system on mine. There was no problem.
  
   
  Dan Mascheck
  
  
  
  
  
  From: Jimmy 
  C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:04 
  PMTo: Chevelle 
  ForumSubject: 
  [Chevelle-list] brake line block relocation
  
  
  I installed a set of 
  Hooker supercomps with Jet Hot coating 2"inch primery tubes, in my "72" with 
  manual trans. fits everywhere, but is rubbing the brake line block. The 
  directions say to move the block to the top of the frame. that would be 
  crowding the Z-bar. did anybody come across this ? what minimum clearance is 
  needed from the pipe? thanks, 
Jimmy.C

Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[Brian Knight]

I got mine from Pace Performance. (Cat rollers)

Brian



From: Malibu65 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:47:22 -0800

 Google shows a lot of domestic felines for Cat. Been poking around Team 
Chevelle...
Oops, got to let my cat out... If he's selling rockers he aint talkin'! :-) 
:-)

Also, interested in anti-pump up hydraulic lifters. I'll be following the
Solid lifters Vs hydraulic subject thread that just started. The experience 
you

guys share on the list is great!
Any more info is much appreciated.
Thanks!
Chuck K
65 Malibu, vortec'd 327 - 4 speed

Brian Knight wrote:

Cat has self-aligning roller rockers for about $135 for the aluminum style 
and $180 for the stainless type. I have a set of the aluminum ones one my 
Vortec head 350 and have had no problems for over 10,000 miles.


Brian



 This is good info! Now I want to install roller rockers on my Vortec 
heads.
I'll only need the stamped roller kind due to keeping my chrome valve 
covers as well.
Anyone know of a source for the self aligning type of roller rockers 
the new

generation heads require? Who's got the best price?
Looks like I'm ready to order! :-)

Chuck K
65 Malibu vortec'd 327 - 4 speed
I really like this list! (and my Chevelle)




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[Chevelle-list] heavy-chevy

[HarKemAsso]

Hi I don't remember who it was on the 'ole list that said they had a couple of heavy chevys- but could you send me some photos please?

thanks in advance
Harlan

Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[Malibu65]

Thank You Sir!   I was just on the Pace page a few days ago.  (blush)
At my age the memory goes and then... Uh, what was the question?


Brian Knight wrote:


I got mine from Pace Performance. (Cat rollers)

Brian


The experience you
guys share on the list is great!
Any more info is much appreciated.
Thanks!
Chuck K
65 Malibu, vortec'd 327 - 4 speed

Brian Knight wrote:

Cat has self-aligning roller rockers for about $135 for the aluminum 
style and $180 for the stainless type. I have a set of the aluminum 
ones one my Vortec head 350 and have had no problems for over 10,000 
miles.


Brian




 This is good info! Now I want to install roller rockers on my 
Vortec heads.
I'll only need the stamped roller kind due to keeping my chrome 
valve covers as well.
Anyone know of a source for the self aligning type of roller 
rockers the new

generation heads require? Who's got the best price?
Looks like I'm ready to order! :-)

Chuck K
65 Malibu vortec'd 327 - 4 speed
I really like this list! (and my Chevelle)

[Chevelle-list] Vacuum Loss

[Ryan Langstraat]

A buddy and I just got done with his 73 
Camaro. It has a 350 with a mild cam and power brakes. The problem 
being that when you pull up to a stop sign and the motor idles down, you loose 
vacuum and the brakes almost completely let go. As you can guess this is 
not good. I know someone on this list can tell me what we dont have 
installed right or not adjusted right. If someone is willing to help with 
some suggestions that would be great! Thanks to all for the 
help.

Ryan
A.C.E.S. #07184

Re: [Chevelle-list] Vacuum Loss

[Karl Groves]

When you say "mild cam", what do you mean? What's the 
duration at .050? Have you measured the vacuum at 
idle?
I never had any problems with a 350 with a cam of 224 
degrees at .050 and .480 lift, but once had a camwith 253 degrees at .050 
and .525 lift and it had major problems with vacuum at idle.

Karl GrovesMaster Certified CIWhttp://www.karlgroves.comWill Work 
For Parts:http://chevelle.karlcore.com/detail.php?id=3 



  
  
  From: Ryan Langstraat 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 
  10:26 PMTo: Chevelle Chat ForumSubject: [Chevelle-list] 
  Vacuum Loss
  
  A buddy and I just got done with his 73 
  Camaro. It has a 350 with a mild cam and power brakes. The problem 
  being that when you pull up to a stop sign and the motor idles down, you loose 
  vacuum and the brakes almost completely let go. As you can guess this is 
  not good. I know someone on this list can tell me what we dont have 
  installed right or not adjusted right. If someone is willing to help 
  with some suggestions that would be great! Thanks to all for the 
  help.
  
  Ryan
  A.C.E.S. 
#07184

Re: [Chevelle-list] Vacuum Loss

[James Strunk]

Hey Ryan,,check with Jegs,or your favorite 
supplier,,ask about a vacuum storage canister,,they work!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ryan 
  Langstraat 
  To: Chevelle Chat Forum 
  Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:25 
  PM
  Subject: [Chevelle-list] Vacuum 
Loss
  
  A buddy and I just got done with his 73 
  Camaro. It has a 350 with a mild cam and power brakes. The problem 
  being that when you pull up to a stop sign and the motor idles down, you loose 
  vacuum and the brakes almost completely let go. As you can guess this is 
  not good. I know someone on this list can tell me what we dont have 
  installed right or not adjusted right. If someone is willing to help 
  with some suggestions that would be great! Thanks to all for the 
  help.
  
  Ryan
  A.C.E.S. #07184
  
  

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Re: [Chevelle-list] Vacuum Loss

[Karl Groves]

James - 

Have you used a vacuum canister?
I've not, but was reading the MP Brakes catalog the other 
day and they have a pretty low opinion of those canisters. Just wondering 
if anyone had any actual experience with the canisters, because I may be needing 
something for vacuum myself.

Karl GrovesMaster Certified CIWhttp://www.karlgroves.comWill Work 
For Parts:http://chevelle.karlcore.com/detail.php?id=3 



  
  
  From: James Strunk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:54 PMTo: The Chevelle 
  Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Vacuum 
  Loss
  
  Hey Ryan,,check with Jegs,or your favorite 
  supplier,,ask about a vacuum storage canister,,they work!
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Ryan 
Langstraat 
To: Chevelle Chat Forum 
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:25 
PM
Subject: [Chevelle-list] Vacuum 
Loss

A buddy and I just got done with his 73 
Camaro. It has a 350 with a mild cam and power brakes. The 
problem being that when you pull up to a stop sign and the motor idles down, 
you loose vacuum and the brakes almost completely let go. As you can 
guess this is not good. I know someone on this list can tell me what 
we dont have installed right or not adjusted right. If someone is 
willing to help with some suggestions that would be great! Thanks to 
all for the help.

Ryan
A.C.E.S. #07184



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Re: [Chevelle-list] 396..502..next best choice

[Clint Hooper]

A 502 with low profile dual plane intake should clear the stock hood. For 
the money,it's awful hard to beat a 468 BBC using a Mark IV block. What's nice 
about a 502,though,is that most of them use hydraulic roller valvetrains.
An L88 would have to be completely re-done to be used in a street car on 
pump gas.
Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 
H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  
  Hi All.
  I've been off for a while but I wanted to thank all of you for some great 
  replies to my question about which engine to put in my 67 SS. My 396 needs a 
  lot of work so I think it would be a great project for me to do (rebuild..) I 
  originally liked the idea of putting a 502 crate motor in but someone 
  said(I think it was Clint)that I would have to use a different 
  hood and I want to leave the appearance as stock as I can, I really like the 
  67SS hood..my question is what now? I've checked on eBay and have found 
  a number of motors that sound good but am not sure..Would a 454 be a good 
  idea? I also saw a 427 L88 up for bids..that might be cool too..I'm open 
  for all suggestions..thank you all, sorry for the long winded post.
  tom p

Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[John]

Title: Message



Your friend was correct. Also, a benefit is 
that some friction is decreased. Durability is improved if use qualtiy 
roller rockers. Roller rockers of quality also are a true ratio where 
stamped rockers can vary quite a bit. My two cents for what it is worth. 


John

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  John W. Lonadier, Jr. 
  
  To: Chevelle Net 
  Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 3:27 
  PM
  Subject: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip 
  versus regular rockers
  
  
  I would like to 
  some feed back on how a some of you on the list feel about roller tipped 
  rockers versus the regular type. I'm getting ready to put the "new" heads on 
  my car and a co-worker suggested I use the roller tip type. His justification 
  was this, "with the roller tip rockers the valve will not be getting pushed 
  down in a side motion where as the roller tips allow the valve to be pushed 
  straight up and down not prematurely wearing out the valve guides". I was not 
  thinking of this as in increase in horse power, just looking to have the heads 
  on there for a while without having to pull them off and have the guides 
  replaced again because all that was done when the heads were 
  machined.
  
  Thanks in 
  advance.
  
  
  John L.
  ACES 
  #5597
  70 
  LS5TRIBUTE
  http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
  http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.html
  

Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[John W. Lonadier, Jr.]

Title: Message



Well 
that settles it. I guess I will be ordering a set of roller tips to go on when I 
swap out my heads.Thanks to all replied. As it was said earlier, this list 
is a wealth of knowledge and past experiences both good and 
bad.



John L.
ACES 
#5597
70 
LS5TRIBUTE
http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.html

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  JohnSent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:41 PMTo: The 
  Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus 
  regular rockers
  Your friend was correct. Also, a benefit is 
  that some friction is decreased. Durability is improved if use qualtiy 
  roller rockers. Roller rockers of quality also are a true ratio where 
  stamped rockers can vary quite a bit. My two cents for what it is worth. 
  
  
  John
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
John W. Lonadier, Jr. 

To: Chevelle Net 
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 3:27 
PM
Subject: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip 
versus regular rockers


I would like to 
some feed back on how a some of you on the list feel about roller tipped 
rockers versus the regular type. I'm getting ready to put the "new" heads on 
my car and a co-worker suggested I use the roller tip type. His 
justification was this, "with the roller tip rockers the valve will not be 
getting pushed down in a side motion where as the roller tips allow the 
valve to be pushed straight up and down not prematurely wearing out the 
valve guides". I was not thinking of this as in increase in horse power, 
just looking to have the heads on there for a while without having to pull 
them off and have the guides replaced again because all that was done when 
the heads were machined.

Thanks in 
advance.


John L.
ACES 
#5597
70 
LS5TRIBUTE
http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.html

Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[Clint Hooper]

Just a FWIW but you guys running CAT stuff do know that it's made in China?
Just thought I would throw that out there.
Clint Hooper
HH Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm

Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[John W. Lonadier, Jr.]

I'm goin' to stay with the steel ones, more than likely the ones from
competition cams.

John L.
ACES #5597
70 LS5 TRIBUTE
http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.html


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Hooper
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:54 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers


Just a FWIW but you guys running CAT stuff do know that it's made in
China? Just thought I would throw that out there. Clint Hooper HH
Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm

[Chevelle-list] 1968 fan shroud

[timothy mcguire]

hey y'all  is a 69 small block fan shroud identical to that on a 68? ive got 
a 68' and cant seem to find one wheras there are 69's up the ying yang.  
thanks, tim mcguire

Re: [Chevelle-list] 1968 fan shroud

[Clint Hooper]

Good question. A 68 uses a short water pump and a 69  later uses a long
pump. Might make a difference.
Clint Hooper
HH Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message - 
From: timothy mcguire [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 hey y'all  is a 69 small block fan shroud identical to that on a 68? ive
got
 a 68' and cant seem to find one wheras there are 69's up the ying yang.
 thanks, tim mcguire

Re: [Chevelle-list] 1968 fan shroud

[John Nasta]

I don't know why, but they are not listed as being the same. The reason I
don't know why is because when I built my 69 El Camino SB I used a shroud
that my friend Rick happened to have hanging around, and lo and behold it
fit just fine. Since you already have it, you have nothing to lose by trying
it.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of timothy mcguire
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 1:00 AM
To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: [Chevelle-list] 1968 fan shroud



hey y'all  is a 69 small block fan shroud identical to that on a 68? ive got
a 68' and cant seem to find one wheras there are 69's up the ying yang.
thanks, tim mcguire

Re: [Chevelle-list] 1968 fan shroud

[timothy mcguire]

hey john, i have a 68 chevelle but a busted up shroud, i found a 69 shroud 
for sale but havent seen it yet. ill pull whats left of mine off and let you 
all know the results.  thanks, tim mcguire




From: John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 1968 fan shroud
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 01:17:03 -0500

I don't know why, but they are not listed as being the same. The reason I
don't know why is because when I built my 69 El Camino SB I used a shroud
that my friend Rick happened to have hanging around, and lo and behold it
fit just fine. Since you already have it, you have nothing to lose by 
trying

it.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of timothy mcguire
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 1:00 AM
To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: [Chevelle-list] 1968 fan shroud



hey y'all  is a 69 small block fan shroud identical to that on a 68? ive 
got

a 68' and cant seem to find one wheras there are 69's up the ying yang.
thanks, tim mcguire

Re: [Chevelle-list] 1968 fan shroud

[timothy mcguire]

i cant find aftermarket for a 68 small block either, strange. ill match it 
up eventually, thanks for feedback.   tim mcguire





From: Clint Hooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 1968 fan shroud
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 00:19:08 -0600

Good question. A 68 uses a short water pump and a 69  later uses a long
pump. Might make a difference.
Clint Hooper
HH Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From: timothy mcguire [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 hey y'all  is a 69 small block fan shroud identical to that on a 68? ive
got
 a 68' and cant seem to find one wheras there are 69's up the ying yang.
 thanks, tim mcguire

Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers

[Malibu65]

Me too. Lookin' for a good price for steel rollers.
I would expect them to cost as much, or more than the imported aluminum 
ones.

And some nice new lifters for the valve train...

Chuck K
65 Malibu  vortec'd 327 - 4 speed


I'm goin' to stay with the steel ones, more than likely the ones from
competition cams.

John L.
ACES #5597
70 LS5 TRIBUTE
http://chevellfan.com/index89.html
http://www.larueclassics.com/gallery/gallery%20pages/lodanier-chv70.html


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Hooper
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:54 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Roller tip versus regular rockers


Just a FWIW but you guys running CAT stuff do know that it's made in
China? Just thought I would throw that out there. Clint Hooper HH
Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
 


Aside from the CPU most of your computer is probably made in china.