Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
True that!-Original Message- From: Craig Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Nov 23, 2005 4:28 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Aint it the truth, Clint. Reagan once announced in a speech that "inflation is tax". The media people didn't understand it so they never attacked him for it. Lucky for Reagan, most media people can't figure out whether they should lease their new Chevy or buy it. For that matter, neither can anyone else because they don't teach the concept in school...they're too busy teaching gay tolerance and Ebonics. Just for the record, my idea of "gun control" is putting the second round through the same hole as the first. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: Fw: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Yep,Ronald Reagan said it best. "Government takes from the needy and gives to the greedy." Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis Again, I hate to interject here but the Fed raises rates to check inflation because BUSINESS wants them to, not because government wants them to. 99.% of the people in the world do not know that inflation is TAX. It is not discussed by politicians and media because a) it is over the head of most media people and b) it is over the head of nearly all attorneys and our politicians are all attorneys. Inflation is the systematic devaluation of a currency. When you see the "national debt" number, what is not discussed is to whom that debt is owed. The fact is, the debt is owed almost entirely to American citizens (and their pension plans, IRAs and 401ks) in the form of US Treasury bills and notes and bonds (among which is the ubiquitous Savings Bond). Inflation benefits "net debtors", that is, people or countries or companies who owe more money in debt than is owed to them by others. The government is the biggest "net debtor" by a gigantic margin. Thus, inflation HELPS the government because it allows them to pay YOU back with dollars that have been "devalued"...that is, they are worth less than the dollars you loaned them when you bought the bond, T-bill, T-note, etc. All you Vietnam era vets and citizens might remember that at the end of the Vietnam War the national debt was staggering. In fact, the US could not pay it off so the government, then under Richard Nixon, devalued the currency 25% in one day. And this was on top of inflation rates that ranged from 12% to 20% over the preceeding three or four years. Folks, this is "inflation" gone mad. Some of you might also remember stories about the inflation rate in Brazil being 100% per month and things like that. That, too, is just the government in power "devaluing" the currency. It happens all over the world, all the time. If you really want to see true change in this country, demand that your schools teach people two things: The "time value of money" (also called "discounted cash flow" and how to figure it out) and the difference between "progressive" and "regressive" tax systems. If ordinary people understood these two things, every politician in office would be thrown out on his or her fat behind - Repulicans and Democrats alike. In fact, I'll go farther than that - if people understood the concept of regressive taxes alone every politician in office would be arrested and charged with sedition. The old saying "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" exists not because rich people screw poor people but because the government screws poor people. They do this because they can - you see, the rich people "get it". They understand how the tax system works and how to circumvent the system. Poor people don't have the knowledge so they get screwed. It isn't a big conspiracy, it is your elected representatives creating a tax system that enables them to tax the people with the smallest voice - and that is you and me. Finally, permit me to say that, I can teach ANYONE who graduated from high school these two ideas and the fact that our high schools do NOT teach these things is, IMHO, nearly criminal. I was taught these ideas in the first accounting class I took to become a CPA. Every CPA understands this stuff which is why all CPAs hate taxes. But that doesn't mean only CPAs "get it". This stuff is pretty easy when it is taught properly. - Original Message - From: Matthew Post To: The Chevelle Mailing List ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Like I said, if the media tells people a
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? {public apology}
hey Mike
no need to apologize
thank you!
Bill
- Original Message -
From: "mike f" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List"
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? {public apology}
I wrote a scathing email to the person or persons that
went "political" in this last couple of threads. Well
I was not happy for many reasons. Suffice to say, we
all don't have the same recollections and some of us
who invest heavily get very frustrated by J6P's
version if events. When the list went with the thread
and kept it going, I was the one who should have just
deleted the messages and shut up. Please accept my
apology, who ever you are, out there.
mike
--- gail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
craig, i dont think anyone could have said it any
better.
- Original Message -
From: Dan McIntosh
To: Craig Ellis ; The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Teaching tolerance isnt a bad thing IMO, whether
it be gay tolerance or race tolerance or anything
else..
As long as were on the subject of firearms, I'll
be taking my CCW class in the beginning of December.
Dan McIntosh
1960 Impala Sport Coupe
Street Metal Fabrications
http://www.lowriderimpala.com
- Original Message -
From: Craig Ellis
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Aint it the truth, Clint. Reagan once
announced in a speech that "inflation is tax". The
media people didn't understand it so they never
attacked him for it. Lucky for Reagan, most media
people can't figure out whether they should lease
their new Chevy or buy it. For that matter, neither
can anyone else because they don't teach the concept
in school...they're too busy teaching gay tolerance
and Ebonics.
Just for the record, my idea of "gun control"
is putting the second round through the same hole as
the first.
- Original Message -
From: Clint Hooper
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: Fw: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Yep,Ronald Reagan said it best. "Government
takes from the needy and gives to the greedy."
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From: Craig Ellis
Again, I hate to interject here but the Fed
raises rates to check inflation because BUSINESS
wants them to, not because government wants them to.
99.% of the people in the world do not know that
inflation is TAX. It is not discussed by politicians
and media because a) it is over the head of most
media people and b) it is over the head of nearly
all attorneys and our politicians are all attorneys.
Inflation is the systematic devaluation of a
currency. When you see the "national debt" number,
what is not discussed is to whom that debt is owed.
The fact is, the debt is owed almost entirely to
American citizens (and their pension plans, IRAs and
401ks) in the form of US Treasury bills and notes
and bonds (among which is the ubiquitous Savings
Bond). Inflation benefits "net debtors", that is,
people or countries or companies who owe more money
in debt than is owed to them by others. The
government is the biggest "net debtor" by a gigantic
margin. Thus, inflation HELPS the government because
it allows them to pay YOU back with dollars that
have been "devalued"...that is, they are worth less
than the dollars you loaned them when you bought the
bond, T-bill, T-note, etc.
All you Vietnam era vets and citizens might
remember that at the end of the Vietnam War the
national debt was staggering. In fact, the US could
not pay it off so the government, then under Richard
Nixon, devalued the currency 25% in one day. And
this was on top of inflation rates that ranged from
12% to 20% over the preceeding three or four years.
Folks, this is "inflation" gone mad. Some of you
might also remember stories about the inflation rate
in Brazil being 100% per month and things like that.
That, too, is just the government in power
"devaluing" the currency. It happens all over the
world, all the time.
If you really want to see true change in
this country, demand that your schools teach people
two things: The "time value of money" (also called
"discounted cash flow" and how to figure it out) and
the difference between "progressive" and
"regressive" tax systems. If ordinary people
understood these two thin
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
A-Men CLINT! - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Aint it the truth, Clint. Reagan once announced in a speech that "inflation is tax". The media people didn't understand it so they never attacked him for it. Lucky for Reagan, most media people can't figure out whether they should lease their new Chevy or buy it. For that matter, neither can anyone else because they don't teach the concept in school...they're too busy teaching gay tolerance and Ebonics. Just for the record, my idea of "gun control" is putting the second round through the same hole as the first. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: Fw: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Yep,Ronald Reagan said it best. "Government takes from the needy and gives to the greedy." Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis Again, I hate to interject here but the Fed raises rates to check inflation because BUSINESS wants them to, not because government wants them to. 99.% of the people in the world do not know that inflation is TAX. It is not discussed by politicians and media because a) it is over the head of most media people and b) it is over the head of nearly all attorneys and our politicians are all attorneys. Inflation is the systematic devaluation of a currency. When you see the "national debt" number, what is not discussed is to whom that debt is owed. The fact is, the debt is owed almost entirely to American citizens (and their pension plans, IRAs and 401ks) in the form of US Treasury bills and notes and bonds (among which is the ubiquitous Savings Bond). Inflation benefits "net debtors", that is, people or countries or companies who owe more money in debt than is owed to them by others. The government is the biggest "net debtor" by a gigantic margin. Thus, inflation HELPS the government because it allows them to pay YOU back with dollars that have been "devalued"...that is, they are worth less than the dollars you loaned them when you bought the bond, T-bill, T-note, etc. All you Vietnam era vets and citizens might remember that at the end of the Vietnam War the national debt was staggering. In fact, the US could not pay it off so the government, then under Richard Nixon, devalued the currency 25% in one day. And this was on top of inflation rates that ranged from 12% to 20% over the preceeding three or four years. Folks, this is "inflation" gone mad. Some of you might also remember stories about the inflation rate in Brazil being 100% per month and things like that. That, too, is just the government in power "devaluing" the currency. It happens all over the world, all the time. If you really want to see true change in this country, demand that your schools teach people two things: The "time value of money" (also called "discounted cash flow" and how to figure it out) and the difference between "progressive" and "regressive" tax systems. If ordinary people understood these two things, every politician in office would be thrown out on his or her fat behind - Repulicans and Democrats alike. In fact, I'll go farther than that - if people understood the concept of regressive taxes alone every politician in office would be arrested and charged with sedition. The old saying "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" exists not because rich people screw poor people but because the government screws poor people. They do this because they can - you see, the rich people "get it". They understand how the tax system works and how to circumvent the system. Poor people don't have the knowledge so they get screwed. It isn't a big conspiracy, it is your elected representatives creating a tax system that enables them to tax the people with the smallest voice - and that is you and me. Finally, permit me to say that, I can teach ANYONE who graduated from high school these two ideas and the fact that our high schools do NOT teach these things is, IMHO, nearly criminal. I was taught these ideas in the first accounting class I took to become a CPA. Every CPA understands this stuff which is why all CPAs hate taxes. But th
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? {public apology}
I wrote a scathing email to the person or persons that went "political" in this last couple of threads. Well I was not happy for many reasons. Suffice to say, we all don't have the same recollections and some of us who invest heavily get very frustrated by J6P's version if events. When the list went with the thread and kept it going, I was the one who should have just deleted the messages and shut up. Please accept my apology, who ever you are, out there. mike --- gail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > craig, i dont think anyone could have said it any > better. > - Original Message - > From: Dan McIntosh > To: Craig Ellis ; The Chevelle Mailing List > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 5:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? > > > Teaching tolerance isnt a bad thing IMO, whether > it be gay tolerance or race tolerance or anything > else.. > > As long as were on the subject of firearms, I'll > be taking my CCW class in the beginning of December. > > > Dan McIntosh > 1960 Impala Sport Coupe > Street Metal Fabrications > http://www.lowriderimpala.com > - Original Message - > From: Craig Ellis > To: The Chevelle Mailing List > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? > > > Aint it the truth, Clint. Reagan once > announced in a speech that "inflation is tax". The > media people didn't understand it so they never > attacked him for it. Lucky for Reagan, most media > people can't figure out whether they should lease > their new Chevy or buy it. For that matter, neither > can anyone else because they don't teach the concept > in school...they're too busy teaching gay tolerance > and Ebonics. > > Just for the record, my idea of "gun control" > is putting the second round through the same hole as > the first. > > - Original Message - > From: Clint Hooper > To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:43 PM > Subject: Fw: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? > > > Yep,Ronald Reagan said it best. "Government > takes from the needy and gives to the greedy." > Clint Hooper > H&H Custom,owner > 1969 El Camino ProTourer > 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger > > http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm > - Original Message - > From: Craig Ellis > > > Again, I hate to interject here but the Fed > raises rates to check inflation because BUSINESS > wants them to, not because government wants them to. > 99.% of the people in the world do not know that > inflation is TAX. It is not discussed by politicians > and media because a) it is over the head of most > media people and b) it is over the head of nearly > all attorneys and our politicians are all attorneys. > > > Inflation is the systematic devaluation of a > currency. When you see the "national debt" number, > what is not discussed is to whom that debt is owed. > The fact is, the debt is owed almost entirely to > American citizens (and their pension plans, IRAs and > 401ks) in the form of US Treasury bills and notes > and bonds (among which is the ubiquitous Savings > Bond). Inflation benefits "net debtors", that is, > people or countries or companies who owe more money > in debt than is owed to them by others. The > government is the biggest "net debtor" by a gigantic > margin. Thus, inflation HELPS the government because > it allows them to pay YOU back with dollars that > have been "devalued"...that is, they are worth less > than the dollars you loaned them when you bought the > bond, T-bill, T-note, etc. > > All you Vietnam era vets and citizens might > remember that at the end of the Vietnam War the > national debt was staggering. In fact, the US could > not pay it off so the government, then under Richard > Nixon, devalued the currency 25% in one day. And > this was on top of inflation rates that ranged from > 12% to 20% over the preceeding three or four years. > Folks, this is "inflation" gone mad. Some of you > might also remember stories about the inflation rate > in Brazil being 100% per month and things like that. > That, too, is just the government in power > "devaluing" the currency. It happens all over the > world, all the time. > > If you really want to see true change in > this country, demand that your schools teach people > two things: Th
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
craig, i dont think anyone could have said it any better. - Original Message - From: Dan McIntosh To: Craig Ellis ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Teaching tolerance isnt a bad thing IMO, whether it be gay tolerance or race tolerance or anything else.. As long as were on the subject of firearms, I'll be taking my CCW class in the beginning of December. Dan McIntosh1960 Impala Sport CoupeStreet Metal Fabricationshttp://www.lowriderimpala.com - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Aint it the truth, Clint. Reagan once announced in a speech that "inflation is tax". The media people didn't understand it so they never attacked him for it. Lucky for Reagan, most media people can't figure out whether they should lease their new Chevy or buy it. For that matter, neither can anyone else because they don't teach the concept in school...they're too busy teaching gay tolerance and Ebonics. Just for the record, my idea of "gun control" is putting the second round through the same hole as the first. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: Fw: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Yep,Ronald Reagan said it best. "Government takes from the needy and gives to the greedy." Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis Again, I hate to interject here but the Fed raises rates to check inflation because BUSINESS wants them to, not because government wants them to. 99.% of the people in the world do not know that inflation is TAX. It is not discussed by politicians and media because a) it is over the head of most media people and b) it is over the head of nearly all attorneys and our politicians are all attorneys. Inflation is the systematic devaluation of a currency. When you see the "national debt" number, what is not discussed is to whom that debt is owed. The fact is, the debt is owed almost entirely to American citizens (and their pension plans, IRAs and 401ks) in the form of US Treasury bills and notes and bonds (among which is the ubiquitous Savings Bond). Inflation benefits "net debtors", that is, people or countries or companies who owe more money in debt than is owed to them by others. The government is the biggest "net debtor" by a gigantic margin. Thus, inflation HELPS the government because it allows them to pay YOU back with dollars that have been "devalued"...that is, they are worth less than the dollars you loaned them when you bought the bond, T-bill, T-note, etc. All you Vietnam era vets and citizens might remember that at the end of the Vietnam War the national debt was staggering. In fact, the US could not pay it off so the government, then under Richard Nixon, devalued the currency 25% in one day. And this was on top of inflation rates that ranged from 12% to 20% over the preceeding three or four years. Folks, this is "inflation" gone mad. Some of you might also remember stories about the inflation rate in Brazil being 100% per month and things like that. That, too, is just the government in power "devaluing" the currency. It happens all over the world, all the time. If you really want to see true change in this country, demand that your schools teach people two things: The "time value of money" (also called "discounted cash flow" and how to figure it out) and the difference between "progressive" and "regressive" tax systems. If ordinary people understood these two things, every politician in office would be thrown out on his or her fat behind - Repulicans and Democrats alike. In fact, I'll go farther than that - if people understood the concept of regressive taxes alone every politician in office would be arrested and ch
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Teaching tolerance isnt a bad thing IMO, whether it be gay tolerance or race tolerance or anything else.. As long as were on the subject of firearms, I'll be taking my CCW class in the beginning of December. Dan McIntosh1960 Impala Sport CoupeStreet Metal Fabricationshttp://www.lowriderimpala.com - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Aint it the truth, Clint. Reagan once announced in a speech that "inflation is tax". The media people didn't understand it so they never attacked him for it. Lucky for Reagan, most media people can't figure out whether they should lease their new Chevy or buy it. For that matter, neither can anyone else because they don't teach the concept in school...they're too busy teaching gay tolerance and Ebonics. Just for the record, my idea of "gun control" is putting the second round through the same hole as the first. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: Fw: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Yep,Ronald Reagan said it best. "Government takes from the needy and gives to the greedy." Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis Again, I hate to interject here but the Fed raises rates to check inflation because BUSINESS wants them to, not because government wants them to. 99.% of the people in the world do not know that inflation is TAX. It is not discussed by politicians and media because a) it is over the head of most media people and b) it is over the head of nearly all attorneys and our politicians are all attorneys. Inflation is the systematic devaluation of a currency. When you see the "national debt" number, what is not discussed is to whom that debt is owed. The fact is, the debt is owed almost entirely to American citizens (and their pension plans, IRAs and 401ks) in the form of US Treasury bills and notes and bonds (among which is the ubiquitous Savings Bond). Inflation benefits "net debtors", that is, people or countries or companies who owe more money in debt than is owed to them by others. The government is the biggest "net debtor" by a gigantic margin. Thus, inflation HELPS the government because it allows them to pay YOU back with dollars that have been "devalued"...that is, they are worth less than the dollars you loaned them when you bought the bond, T-bill, T-note, etc. All you Vietnam era vets and citizens might remember that at the end of the Vietnam War the national debt was staggering. In fact, the US could not pay it off so the government, then under Richard Nixon, devalued the currency 25% in one day. And this was on top of inflation rates that ranged from 12% to 20% over the preceeding three or four years. Folks, this is "inflation" gone mad. Some of you might also remember stories about the inflation rate in Brazil being 100% per month and things like that. That, too, is just the government in power "devaluing" the currency. It happens all over the world, all the time. If you really want to see true change in this country, demand that your schools teach people two things: The "time value of money" (also called "discounted cash flow" and how to figure it out) and the difference between "progressive" and "regressive" tax systems. If ordinary people understood these two things, every politician in office would be thrown out on his or her fat behind - Repulicans and Democrats alike. In fact, I'll go farther than that - if people understood the concept of regressive taxes alone every politician in office would be arrested and charged with sedition. The old saying "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" exists not because rich people screw poor people but because the government screws poor people. They do this because they can - you see, the rich people "get it". They understand how the tax system works and how to circumvent the system. Poor people don't have the knowledge so they get screwed. It isn't a big conspiracy, it is your elected representatives creating a tax system that enables them to tax the people with the smallest voice - and that is you and me. Finally, permit me to say that, I can teach ANYONE who g
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Aint it the truth, Clint. Reagan once announced in a
speech that "inflation is tax". The media people didn't understand it so
they never attacked him for it. Lucky for Reagan, most media people can't figure
out whether they should lease their new Chevy or buy it. For that matter,
neither can anyone else because they don't teach the concept in school...they're
too busy teaching gay tolerance and Ebonics.
Just for the record, my idea of "gun control" is putting
the second round through the same hole as the first.
- Original Message -
From:
Clint Hooper
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:43
PM
Subject: Fw: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
Yep,Ronald Reagan said it best. "Government takes
from the needy and gives to the greedy."
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001
H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From: Craig Ellis
Again, I hate to interject here but the Fed raises
rates to check inflation because BUSINESS wants them to, not because
government wants them to. 99.% of the people in the world do not know that
inflation is TAX. It is not discussed by politicians and media because a)
it is over the head of most media people and b) it is over the head of nearly
all attorneys and our politicians are all attorneys.
Inflation is the systematic devaluation of a currency.
When you see the "national debt" number, what is not discussed is to whom that
debt is owed. The fact is, the debt is owed almost entirely to American
citizens (and their pension plans, IRAs and 401ks) in the form of US
Treasury bills and notes and bonds (among which is the ubiquitous Savings
Bond). Inflation benefits "net debtors", that is, people or countries or
companies who owe more money in debt than is owed to them by others. The
government is the biggest "net debtor" by a gigantic margin. Thus, inflation
HELPS the government because it allows them to pay YOU back with dollars that
have been "devalued"...that is, they are worth less than the dollars you
loaned them when you bought the bond, T-bill, T-note, etc.
All you Vietnam era vets and citizens might remember
that at the end of the Vietnam War the national debt was staggering. In fact,
the US could not pay it off so the government, then under Richard Nixon,
devalued the currency 25% in one day. And this was on top of inflation rates
that ranged from 12% to 20% over the preceeding three or four years. Folks,
this is "inflation" gone mad. Some of you might also remember stories about
the inflation rate in Brazil being 100% per month and things like that. That,
too, is just the government in power "devaluing" the currency. It happens all
over the world, all the time.
If you really want to see true change in this country,
demand that your schools teach people two things: The "time value of money"
(also called "discounted cash flow" and how to figure it out) and the
difference between "progressive" and "regressive" tax systems. If
ordinary people understood these two things, every politician in office would
be thrown out on his or her fat behind - Repulicans and Democrats alike.
In fact, I'll go farther than that - if people understood the concept of
regressive taxes alone every politician in office would be arrested and
charged with sedition. The old saying "the rich get richer and the poor get
poorer" exists not because rich people screw poor people but because the
government screws poor people. They do this because they can - you see, the
rich people "get it". They understand how the tax system works and how to
circumvent the system. Poor people don't have the knowledge so they get
screwed. It isn't a big conspiracy, it is your elected representatives
creating a tax system that enables them to tax the people with the smallest
voice - and that is you and me.
Finally, permit me to say that, I can teach
ANYONE who graduated from high school these two ideas and the fact that our
high schools do NOT teach these things is, IMHO, nearly criminal. I was taught
these ideas in the first accounting class I took to become a CPA. Every CPA
understands this stuff which is why all CPAs hate taxes. But that doesn't mean
only CPAs "get it". This stuff is pretty easy when it is taught
properly.
- Original Message -----
From:
Matthew
Post
To: The Chevelle Mailing List ; The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005
11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
I'm going to ha
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Again, I hate to interject here but the Fed raises rates to check inflation because BUSINESS wants them to, not because government wants them to. 99.% of the people in the world do not know that inflation is TAX. It is not discussed by politicians and media because a) it is over the head of most media people and b) it is over the head of nearly all attorneys and our politicians are all attorneys. Inflation is the systematic devaluation of a currency. When you see the "national debt" number, what is not discussed is to whom that debt is owed. The fact is, the debt is owed almost entirely to American citizens (and their pension plans, IRAs and 401ks) in the form of US Treasury bills and notes and bonds (among which is the ubiquitous Savings Bond). Inflation benefits "net debtors", that is, people or countries or companies who owe more money in debt than is owed to them by others. The government is the biggest "net debtor" by a gigantic margin. Thus, inflation HELPS the government because it allows them to pay YOU back with dollars that have been "devalued"...that is, they are worth less than the dollars you loaned them when you bought the bond, T-bill, T-note, etc. All you Vietnam era vets and citizens might remember that at the end of the Vietnam War the national debt was staggering. In fact, the US could not pay it off so the government, then under Richard Nixon, devalued the currency 25% in one day. And this was on top of inflation rates that ranged from 12% to 20% over the preceeding three or four years. Folks, this is "inflation" gone mad. Some of you might also remember stories about the inflation rate in Brazil being 100% per month and things like that. That, too, is just the government in power "devaluing" the currency. It happens all over the world, all the time. If you really want to see true change in this country, demand that your schools teach people two things: The "time value of money" (also called "discounted cash flow" and how to figure it out) and the difference between "progressive" and "regressive" tax systems. If ordinary people understood these two things, every politician in office would be thrown out on his or her fat behind - Repulicans and Democrats alike. In fact, I'll go farther than that - if people understood the concept of regressive taxes alone every politician in office would be arrested and charged with sedition. The old saying "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" exists not because rich people screw poor people but because the government screws poor people. They do this because they can - you see, the rich people "get it". They understand how the tax system works and how to circumvent the system. Poor people don't have the knowledge so they get screwed. It isn't a big conspiracy, it is your elected representatives creating a tax system that enables them to tax the people with the smallest voice - and that is you and me. Finally, permit me to say that, I can teach ANYONE who graduated from high school these two ideas and the fact that our high schools do NOT teach these things is, IMHO, nearly criminal. I was taught these ideas in the first accounting class I took to become a CPA. Every CPA understands this stuff which is why all CPAs hate taxes. But that doesn't mean only CPAs "get it". This stuff is pretty easy when it is taught properly. - Original Message - From: Matthew Post To: The Chevelle Mailing List ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Like I said, if the media tells people an economic indicator came in "worse than expected" it's perceived as bad. Even if an indicator may be trending downward, it still can be very strong. GDP has been clipping along at above 3% for several quarters in a row & unemployment is low at 5%. If the economics of the US are so bad, why would the FED continue to raise interest rates? Fact is the economy is doing well, so they are raising interest rates to prevent inflation. Believe it or not, the post-Katrina effect is going to be positive for the economy. Construction, building materials, etc. Of course, all this building is being fueled by government spending. The negative effect of Katrina will be inflation which the FED hopes to prevent and higher deficits. The deficit is being funded by foreign investment at a pace of $100 Billion a Month. So, the US is screwed when other countries won't fund our spending.At 04:54 PM 11/22/2005, Clint Hooper wrote: Germany's reunification with Combloc East Germany is the main reason for their struggles,at the moment. It's
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
well said bill!
- Original Message -
From:
Bill Bradley
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:39
AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
ok, i guess its time for me to toss in my 2
cents.I'm an american. i could care less where your (or my ) ancestors came
from .i drive what i can afford and what i like. i buy american. if i buy a
foreign vehicle its used, i know where my money goes (to an american). and
since tomorrow is Thanksgiving in the United States i just thought i'd
mention how thankful i am that i can buy what i want , from whoever i want,
and can bitch about whatever i want when i want. and i know each and every
one of you are thankful you have the right to hear me bitch on any subject i
please.
the bitching stops when i'm 6 foot
under.
thanks for your tollerance, feel FREE to
bitch.
Bill Bradley
Edmond Oklahoma
Marine combat vet
Chevelle owner
spoiled American and proud of it
- Original Message -
From:
Larry
Shouse
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:05
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
Now maybe we're getting somewhere...
Maybe not buying Japanese is a bit more personal for you than unfair
trade practices. Sorry to hear about your grandfather James.
Having said that, I will also tell you that I
am half Japanese, was born an American, I served my country, and I fly Old
Glory WITH PRIDE every day. Even though I am half Japanese, it's something
I usually don't even think about, unless I run across someone wanting to
blame me for something done by someone else generations ago. This being
America, you're certainly within your right to think and spend your money
as you see fit. As for me, I buy things because it meets my needs or
fancy, not necessarily where it's made. All else being equal - or close, I
will try to buy American.
Larry Shouse
- Original Message -
From:
James
Strunk
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005
7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a
japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting
a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my
grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in
their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that
will not buy from US
- Original Message -
From:
Marlon
Hanson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing
List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005
3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list]
Anyone home?
I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our
own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they
let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term
quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could
earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense
been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is
gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term,
this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our
grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the
brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our
"prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our
soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and
since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the
middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward
personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica
... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren?
I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and
try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must
admit it is getting harder and harder.
Marlon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture.
James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not
just for Autos but all products, with the same op
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
haha james, i'll keep that in
mind.
- Original Message -
From:
Rozanski Joe (AP/EDC)
To: Craig Ellis ; The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:00
AM
Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
to bitch on the other foot, the american auto companies
are sending the work and product overseas because
it is cheaper for labor and product.So the cost is
cheaper but we don't see the cost of cars going down.
just
the profit going up. so who is screwing who?they are
closing plants and technology down here, so who is going
to cars in the u.s. without a job or money and we can
only export so much. but with todays economy you have
to think about better bang for the buck, which would be
foreign vehicles.but for me as a auto worker RACE CHEVYS
and TOW THEM WITH
FORDS.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig
EllisSent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:41 AMTo: The
Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
By the way, I just wrote a note to the LIST about
profits and whatnot - I inadvertently wrote that note in a "reply" to a
posted note by Clint Hooper but it was NOT intended to go to Clint. I just
didn't think to create a new message for my little rant. So, I hope no one
thought I was cranked up a Clint.
Just for the record, I wouldn't buy a Japanese car
unless you had a gun pointed at me and I was pretty sure you'd pull the
trigger. These days I am a recruiter in the automotive industry and recruit
plant operations, engineering, and management people all over the country
and mostly for domestic OEM suppliers. I know a lot about the business and
Clint is exactly right: Unfair trade with China and other countries is
killing us. What is even more apalling is that we are not only hiring the
Chinese to make the parts, we are giving them the technology and education
to do it. It is madness.
In my opinion, buy NOTHING made in China...not
clothes, not toys, not car parts, nothing. It is the only message you can
send.
- Original Message -
From:
Clint
Hooper
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:28
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
You guys can buy foreign cars all you want.
It's your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley
Davidson.
However,unfair trade with the Chinese is
what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success.
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino
ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From:
James
Strunk
my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a
japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting
a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my
grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in
their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that
will not buy from US
- Original Message -
From:
Marlon
Hanson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing
List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005
3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list]
Anyone home?
I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our
own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they
let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term
quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could
earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense
been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is
gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term,
this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our
grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the
brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our
"prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our
soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and
since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the
middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward
personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica
... good for us today. For our children? for ou
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Craig, The only trouble with this logic is we will
then be WALKING around NAKED without anything the PLAY with. It really has
gotten to this point because China has become our new cheap labor market. I
don't like it either but I'm not sure it is within our ability to change
it.
Mike Holleman
- Original Message -
From:
Craig Ellis
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:41
AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
By the way, I just wrote a note to the LIST about
profits and whatnot - I inadvertently wrote that note in a "reply" to a posted
note by Clint Hooper but it was NOT intended to go to Clint. I just didn't
think to create a new message for my little rant. So, I hope no one thought I
was cranked up a Clint.
Just for the record, I wouldn't buy a Japanese car
unless you had a gun pointed at me and I was pretty sure you'd pull the
trigger. These days I am a recruiter in the automotive industry and recruit
plant operations, engineering, and management people all over the country and
mostly for domestic OEM suppliers. I know a lot about the business and Clint
is exactly right: Unfair trade with China and other countries is killing us.
What is even more apalling is that we are not only hiring the Chinese to make
the parts, we are giving them the technology and education to do it. It is
madness.
In my opinion, buy NOTHING made in China...not
clothes, not toys, not car parts, nothing. It is the only message you can
send.
- Original Message -
From:
Clint Hooper
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:28
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
You guys can buy foreign cars all you want.
It's your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley
Davidson.
However,unfair trade with the Chinese is
what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success.
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino
ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From:
James
Strunk
my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a
japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a
country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my
grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their
country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not
buy from US
- Original Message -
From:
Marlon
Hanson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005
3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our
own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let
the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter
to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat
bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken
over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually
slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD
prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be
sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now
buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to
what was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in
World War II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually
funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know what their
attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward
buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our
grandchildren?
I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and
try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit
it is getting harder and harder.
Marlon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture.
James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not
just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms
that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit
dollars really go after the cars are built in America?
BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off
some 30,000 employees.
Rich-Origin
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Like I said, if the media tells people an economic indicator came in "worse than expected" it's perceived as bad. Even if an indicator may be trending downward, it still can be very strong. GDP has been clipping along at above 3% for several quarters in a row & unemployment is low at 5%. If the economics of the US are so bad, why would the FED continue to raise interest rates? Fact is the economy is doing well, so they are raising interest rates to prevent inflation. Believe it or not, the post-Katrina effect is going to be positive for the economy. Construction, building materials, etc. Of course, all this building is being fueled by government spending. The negative effect of Katrina will be inflation which the FED hopes to prevent and higher deficits. The deficit is being funded by foreign investment at a pace of $100 Billion a Month. So, the US is screwed when other countries won't fund our spending. At 04:54 PM 11/22/2005, Clint Hooper wrote: Germany's reunification with Combloc East Germany is the main reason for their struggles,at the moment. It's certainly not us kicking their butts. As for France,who the heck cares? I'm an optimist but the US economy isn't doing that well,Matt. Most of the economic indicators are trending downward. However,disasters like Katrina sure haven't done us any favors. Even though I support what we're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan,the cost is hurting us,bigtime. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Matthew Post What people fail to see and what the media fails to report is how well our economy is actually doing. Europe and Asia cannot keep up. With the exception of China, who has to revert to unfair trade practices to succeed, we are doing better than anywhere else. Japan has been in a decade long depression (wonder it that's why they don't buy American products), Germany has been in a recession, unemployment is over 10% in France..We've become a country of pessimists and the media just fuels that belief. At 04:28 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley Davidson. However,unfair trade with the Chinese is what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: James Strunk my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US - Original Message - From: Marlon Hanson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren? I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is getting harder and harder. Marlon. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after the cars are built in America? BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000 employees. Rich -----Original Message-
RE: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
to bitch on the other foot, the american auto companies are
sending the work and product overseas because
it is cheaper for labor and product.So the cost is cheaper
but we don't see the cost of cars going down. just
the profit going up. so who is screwing who?they are
closing plants and technology down here, so who is going
to cars in the u.s. without a job or money and we can only
export so much. but with todays economy you have
to think about better bang for the buck, which would be
foreign vehicles.but for me as a auto worker RACE CHEVYS
and TOW THEM WITH
FORDS.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig
EllisSent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:41 AMTo: The
Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
By the way, I just wrote a note to the LIST about
profits and whatnot - I inadvertently wrote that note in a "reply" to a posted
note by Clint Hooper but it was NOT intended to go to Clint. I just didn't think
to create a new message for my little rant. So, I hope no one thought I was
cranked up a Clint.
Just for the record, I wouldn't buy a Japanese car
unless you had a gun pointed at me and I was pretty sure you'd pull the trigger.
These days I am a recruiter in the automotive industry and recruit plant
operations, engineering, and management people all over the country and mostly
for domestic OEM suppliers. I know a lot about the business and Clint is exactly
right: Unfair trade with China and other countries is killing us. What is even
more apalling is that we are not only hiring the Chinese to make the parts, we
are giving them the technology and education to do it. It is
madness.
In my opinion, buy NOTHING made in China...not clothes,
not toys, not car parts, nothing. It is the only message you can
send.
- Original Message -
From:
Clint Hooper
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:28
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's
your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley
Davidson.
However,unfair trade with the Chinese is
what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success.
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001
H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From:
James Strunk
my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a
japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a
country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my
grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their
country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not
buy from US
- Original Message -
From:
Marlon
Hanson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own
short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the
Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to
quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat
bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken
over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually
slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD
prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure,
but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy
from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what
was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War
II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the
middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal
liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us
today. For our children? for our grandchildren?
I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try
to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is
getting harder and harder.
Marlon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James
is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just
for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we
do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really
go after the cars are built in America?
BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and lay
RE: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
amen Craig! And i think that should go for India also. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig EllisSent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:41 AMTo: The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? By the way, I just wrote a note to the LIST about profits and whatnot - I inadvertently wrote that note in a "reply" to a posted note by Clint Hooper but it was NOT intended to go to Clint. I just didn't think to create a new message for my little rant. So, I hope no one thought I was cranked up a Clint. Just for the record, I wouldn't buy a Japanese car unless you had a gun pointed at me and I was pretty sure you'd pull the trigger. These days I am a recruiter in the automotive industry and recruit plant operations, engineering, and management people all over the country and mostly for domestic OEM suppliers. I know a lot about the business and Clint is exactly right: Unfair trade with China and other countries is killing us. What is even more apalling is that we are not only hiring the Chinese to make the parts, we are giving them the technology and education to do it. It is madness. In my opinion, buy NOTHING made in China...not clothes, not toys, not car parts, nothing. It is the only message you can send. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley Davidson. However,unfair trade with the Chinese is what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: James Strunk my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US - Original Message - From: Marlon Hanson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren? I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is getting harder and harder. Marlon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after the cars are built in America? BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000 employees. Rich-Original Message- From: Matthew Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point, but I believe those Japanese cars
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
By the way, I just wrote a note to the LIST about profits and whatnot - I inadvertently wrote that note in a "reply" to a posted note by Clint Hooper but it was NOT intended to go to Clint. I just didn't think to create a new message for my little rant. So, I hope no one thought I was cranked up a Clint. Just for the record, I wouldn't buy a Japanese car unless you had a gun pointed at me and I was pretty sure you'd pull the trigger. These days I am a recruiter in the automotive industry and recruit plant operations, engineering, and management people all over the country and mostly for domestic OEM suppliers. I know a lot about the business and Clint is exactly right: Unfair trade with China and other countries is killing us. What is even more apalling is that we are not only hiring the Chinese to make the parts, we are giving them the technology and education to do it. It is madness. In my opinion, buy NOTHING made in China...not clothes, not toys, not car parts, nothing. It is the only message you can send. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley Davidson. However,unfair trade with the Chinese is what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: James Strunk my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US - Original Message - From: Marlon Hanson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren? I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is getting harder and harder. Marlon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after the cars are built in America? BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000 employees. Rich-Original Message- From: Matthew Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point, but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid the customs duties associated with finished goods, but GM and Ford do the same thing in Europe.I guess my point is that the lines are ver
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ok, i guess its time for me to toss in my 2
cents.I'm an american. i could care less where your (or my ) ancestors came from
.i drive what i can afford and what i like. i buy american. if i buy a foreign
vehicle its used, i know where my money goes (to an american). and since
tomorrow is Thanksgiving in the United States i just thought i'd mention how
thankful i am that i can buy what i want , from whoever i want, and can bitch
about whatever i want when i want. and i know each and every one of you are
thankful you have the right to hear me bitch on any subject i
please.
the bitching stops when i'm 6 foot
under.
thanks for your tollerance, feel FREE to
bitch.
Bill Bradley
Edmond Oklahoma
Marine combat vet
Chevelle owner
spoiled American and proud of it
- Original Message -
From:
Larry
Shouse
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:05
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
Now maybe we're getting somewhere...
Maybe not buying Japanese is a bit more personal for you than unfair
trade practices. Sorry to hear about your grandfather James.
Having said that, I will also tell you that I am
half Japanese, was born an American, I served my country, and I fly Old Glory
WITH PRIDE every day. Even though I am half Japanese, it's something I usually
don't even think about, unless I run across someone wanting to blame me for
something done by someone else generations ago. This being America, you're
certainly within your right to think and spend your money as you see fit. As
for me, I buy things because it meets my needs or fancy, not necessarily where
it's made. All else being equal - or close, I will try to buy
American.
Larry Shouse
- Original Message -
From:
James Strunk
To: The Chevelle Mailing List ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:02
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a
japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a
country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my
grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their
country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not
buy from US
- Original Message -
From:
Marlon
Hanson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own
short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the
Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to
quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat
bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken
over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually
slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD
prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure,
but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy
from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what
was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War
II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the
middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal
liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us
today. For our children? for our grandchildren?
I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try
to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is
getting harder and harder.
Marlon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James
is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just
for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we
do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really
go after the cars are built in America?
BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off
some 30,000 employees.
Rich-Original Message- From: Matthew Post
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle
Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home? Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY
American built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or
Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt i
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Just to get things clarified here. One, "profits" go to
the OWNERS, be they Japanese, Russian, American, or whatever. That is the way is
should be, unless you believe that companies should not make profits or that
profits should go to the government. Two, auto manufacturers source components
with three things in mind: Price, quality, location, in that order. If you will
build a transmission in Ohio for the same price and at the same quality of one
built in British Columbia, chances are pretty good that the plant in Ohio will
supply the OEM assembly plant in Ohio. There is nothing nefarious going on in
the car business any more than there is in the oil business or the lumber
business or the pharmaceutical business. Do the people in power at those
companies look out for themselves? You bet they do. But remember that ALL people
in ALL companies in ALL countries and in ALL industries do exactly the same
thing - it is human nature. I was (and still am) a CPA and audited internal
controls for years at companies like GM and Mayo Clinic. I know whereof I speak.
Business managers have a responsibility to the owners of the company to make
money for them. They have a responsibility to do everything in their power to
accomplish that goal short of breaking the law. It's their job.
- Original Message -
From:
Clint Hooper
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:15
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
Are the US-made Toyotas made in the USA or
assembled in the USA? Are their engines and transmissions made here? I know
their electronics are not made here. Neither are their rolling stock and
suspension components.
If the companies are Japanese-owned,most of their
profits don't stay in America.
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001
H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From:
Matthew
Post
That's very interesting.
So, it makes me wonder if that makes it an American car? Guess it
depends on how you look at it. Either by where and by who it's made or
who ultimately owns the company.At 03:32 PM 11/22/2005, you
wrote:
I am one of those silent people
learning from eveyone else. First, I am the proud owner of a '65
Chevelle SS. Secondly, I work for a Japanese transplant parts
suppliers in Missouri. I can't say for all parts but I do know most
of the parts on American made Toyota's are made in the USA.
From: Matthew Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
,"The Chevelle Mailing List"
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:12:18 -0800
Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built
anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican
parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point,
but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly
Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid the customs
duties associated with finished goods, but GM and Ford do the same thing
in Europe.
I guess my point is that the lines are very blurred. People
can say "Buy American" and I'm all for it, but you have to wonder how
much of the product is really American. Besides, the Japanese
automaker pays taxes to Uncle Sam for selling their cars here, same as
GM or Ford.
Matt
At 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry Shouse wrote:
I'm not ashamed of owning a Japanese vehicle. As
far as I'm concerned it's our right as an American to buy what we feel
to be the best fit and value for our given situation. Besides, many
"Japanese" cars and trucks are assembled here in the United States,
while many of our American vehicles are assembled in other countries.
Same goes for parts. You want to buy strictly American? That's your
right and I will defend your right to do so, but good luck
accomplishing your goal.
Larry Shouse
- Original Message -
From: James Strunk
To: The Chevelle
Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
I have an idea,,no a suggestion,get rid of that
japanese car,,anybody should be ashamed to own japanese cars,they
restict owr big three automakers to a specific # of cars that can be
sold in japan,, FAIR
TRADE ??? I've
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Clint, I don’t care what party you voted for….ask yourself, by the time they take all the contributions from all the special interests, where does that leave John Q Public….in the hole!! Notice that many companies go either way to cover their bets! Enough pissing and moaning….I ordered the GW setup. I know there is better, but they gave me a $600 discount..I have checked into the ATX spindles, but they are not ready for sale, and..I would have to upgrade my mags. Too much for one time! I’m not quite as rich as you are Clint..GRIN. The ATX spindles will run close to $800 a piece, plus I would still need to upgrade the A arms! Oh well…I can cry later. I also found out I need to upgrade to a 12:1 steering box. Any suggestions on who to get it from or get my old one reworked. Plus some mods on my rear axle for the upgraded Wilwood rear brakes. You were correct, about their being some sharp folks on Lateral G. Thanks for the recommendation. Dan From: Clint Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:25 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I agree 100%,Dan. The chips are lining up and I'm very concerned we're going to see them domino,,soon. Our government,both GOP and DNC,is not learning from the past. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dan Mascheck I work in the ag sector and with all the smaller farms we have…I’m seeing them go south for the winter. With recent fuel prices being so high even with the recent drop, fertilizer is astronomical, and the price they receive is so low. It’s impossible to pencil a cash flow. Only if you’re a huge corporate farm can you maybe make it! My son served two terms in Iraq. Thank God he’s alive and well! We’ll be paying the cost for years. I some time wonder if the Iraqi’s really appreciate the sacrifice? Add fuel, Katrina, and all the other negative things going on, I feel like we are getting ready to hit a brick wall on the economy! I pray I’m wrong!! From: Clint Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:55 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Germany's reunification with Combloc East Germany is the main reason for their struggles,at the moment. It's certainly not us kicking their butts. As for France,who the heck cares? I'm an optimist but the US economy isn't doing that well,Matt. Most of the economic indicators are trending downward. However,disasters like Katrina sure haven't done us any favors. Even though I support what we're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan,the cost is hurting us,bigtime. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Matthew Post What people fail to see and what the media fails to report is how well our economy is actually doing. Europe and Asia cannot keep up. With the exception of China, who has to revert to unfair trade practices to succeed, we are doing better than anywhere else. Japan has been in a decade long depression (wonder it that's why they don't buy American products), Germany has been in a recession, unemployment is over 10% in France..We've become a country of pessimists and the media just fuels that belief. At 04:28 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley Davidson. However,unfair trade with the Chinese is what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: James Strunk my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US - Original Message - From: Marlon Hanson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been &qu
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Some good insight to the urban sprawl, ag system and the demise of our culture is in Fast Food Nation. I highly recommend reading it. Mark On Nov 22, 2005, at 6:24 PM, Clint Hooper wrote: I agree 100%,Dan. The chips are lining up and I'm very concerned we're going to see them domino,,soon. Our government,both GOP and DNC,is not learning from the past. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dan Mascheck I work in the ag sector and with all the smaller farms we have…I’m seeing them go south for the winter. With recent fuel prices being so high even with the recent drop, fertilizer is astronomical, and the price they receive is so low. It’s impossible to pencil a cash flow. Only if you’re a huge corporate farm can you maybe make it! My son served two terms in Iraq. Thank God he’s alive and well! We’ll be paying the cost for years. I some time wonder if the Iraqi’s really appreciate the sacrifice? Add fuel, Katrina, and all the other negative things going on, I feel like we are getting ready to hit a brick wall on the economy! I pray I’m wrong!! From: Clint Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:55 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Germany's reunification with Combloc East Germany is the main reason for their struggles,at the moment. It's certainly not us kicking their butts. As for France,who the heck cares? I'm an optimist but the US economy isn't doing that well,Matt. Most of the economic indicators are trending downward. However,disasters like Katrina sure haven't done us any favors. Even though I support what we're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan,the cost is hurting us,bigtime. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Matthew Post What people fail to see and what the media fails to report is how well our economy is actually doing. Europe and Asia cannot keep up. With the exception of China, who has to revert to unfair trade practices to succeed, we are doing better than anywhere else. Japan has been in a decade long depression (wonder it that's why they don't buy American products), Germany has been in a recession, unemployment is over 10% in France..We've become a country of pessimists and the media just fuels that belief.
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
I agree 100%,Dan. The chips are lining up and I'm
very concerned we're going to see them domino,,soon.
Our government,both GOP and DNC,is not learning
from the past.
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001
H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From:
Dan
Mascheck
I
work in the ag sector and with all the smaller farms we have
Im seeing them
go south for the winter. With recent fuel prices being so high even with the
recent drop, fertilizer is astronomical, and the price they receive is so low.
Its impossible to pencil a cash flow. Only if youre a huge corporate farm
can you maybe make it!
My
son served two terms in Iraq. Thank God hes alive and
well! Well be paying the cost for years. I some time wonder if the Iraqis
really appreciate the sacrifice? Add fuel, Katrina, and all the other negative
things going on, I feel like we are getting ready to hit a brick wall on the
economy! I pray Im wrong!!
From: Clint
Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:55
PMTo: The Chevelle Mailing
ListSubject: Re:
[Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Germany's
reunification with Combloc East Germany is the main reason for
their struggles,at the moment. It's certainly not us kicking their butts. As
for France,who the heck cares?
I'm an optimist but the
US economy isn't doing that
well,Matt. Most of the economic indicators are trending downward.
However,disasters like Katrina sure haven't done us any favors. Even though I
support what we're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan,the cost is hurting
us,bigtime.
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino
ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From: Matthew Post
What people fail to see and what the media fails to
report is how well our economy is actually doing. Europe and
Asia cannot keep up. With the
exception of China, who has to revert to
unfair trade practices to succeed, we are doing better than anywhere
else. Japan has
been in a decade long depression (wonder it that's why they don't buy
American products), Germany has been in a recession, unemployment
is over 10% in France..We've become a
country of pessimists and the media just fuels that belief.At 04:28
PM 11/22/2005, you wrote:
You guys can buy foreign cars
all you want. It's your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley
Davidson.However,unfair trade with the Chinese is what's killing our
economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success.Clint
HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR
custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From: James Strunk
my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a
japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE
supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders,
such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in
their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will
not buy from US
- Original Message -
From: Marlon Hanson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20
PM
Subject: Re:
[Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
I think the big picture is that too
many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford
did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They
went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper
management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in
essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country
is gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this
COULD prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be
sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy
from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what
was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II
and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the middle
east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal liberties
are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For
our children? for our grandchildren?
I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully
look at what I'm buying and try to stay as American as possible. &g
RE: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
I work in the ag sector and with all the smaller farms we have…I’m seeing them go south for the winter. With recent fuel prices being so high even with the recent drop, fertilizer is astronomical, and the price they receive is so low. It’s impossible to pencil a cash flow. Only if you’re a huge corporate farm can you maybe make it! My son served two terms in Iraq. Thank God he’s alive and well! We’ll be paying the cost for years. I some time wonder if the Iraqi’s really appreciate the sacrifice? Add fuel, Katrina, and all the other negative things going on, I feel like we are getting ready to hit a brick wall on the economy! I pray I’m wrong!! From: Clint Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:55 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Germany's reunification with Combloc East Germany is the main reason for their struggles,at the moment. It's certainly not us kicking their butts. As for France,who the heck cares? I'm an optimist but the US economy isn't doing that well,Matt. Most of the economic indicators are trending downward. However,disasters like Katrina sure haven't done us any favors. Even though I support what we're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan,the cost is hurting us,bigtime. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Matthew Post What people fail to see and what the media fails to report is how well our economy is actually doing. Europe and Asia cannot keep up. With the exception of China, who has to revert to unfair trade practices to succeed, we are doing better than anywhere else. Japan has been in a decade long depression (wonder it that's why they don't buy American products), Germany has been in a recession, unemployment is over 10% in France..We've become a country of pessimists and the media just fuels that belief. At 04:28 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley Davidson. However,unfair trade with the Chinese is what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: James Strunk my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US - Original Message - From: Marlon Hanson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren? I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is getting harder and harder. Marlon. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after the cars are built in America? BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000 employees. Rich -Original Message- From: Matthew Post Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Are there any vehi
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Nahh,just trying to liven up a boring day,Mike. Looks like it worked,too. Now,back to our regularly scheduled programming! Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: "mike f" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Is this a Geo-political Forum now? > Mike
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Personally, I consider the folks on this list family. Sometimes we like to get each others opinions/feelings because for the most part we respect and trust each other. Brian From: mike f <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:57:29 -0800 (PST) Is this a Geo-political Forum now? Mike --- Clint Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's > your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one > Harley Davidson. > However,unfair trade with the Chinese is what's > killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's > success. > Clint Hooper > H&H Custom,owner > 1969 El Camino ProTourer > 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger > http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm > - Original Message - > From: James Strunk > > > my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese > product,even if it's your rightyou ARE > supporting a country that attacked and brutally > killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, > that refuses to allow our products to be sold in > their country,,,that's right,,exercise your > right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US > - Original Message - > From: Marlon Hanson > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing > List > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? > > > I think the big picture is that too many of us > our looking at our own short term benefit, just as > GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the > Japanese take over the auto market. They went for > short term quarter to quarter gains profits so > everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses > and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense > been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to > be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out > of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be > a significant problem for our grandchildren. We > can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the > brutality of every country we now buy from during > past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing > compared to what was done to our soldiers who were > captured were subjected to in World War II and > since. And... Now that our funds are gradually > funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we > know what their attitude toward personal liberties > are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... > good for us today. For our children? for our > grandchildren? > I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at > what I'm buying and try to stay as American as > possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is > getting harder and harder. > Marlon. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I agree with all of you; but you're missing > the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not > open their trading borders, not just for Autos but > all products, with the same open arms that we do. > Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit > dollars really go after the cars are built in > America? > > BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and > laying off some 30,000 employees. > > Rich > > > -Original Message- > From: Matthew Post > Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM > To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle > Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? > > Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY > American built anymore? And by that I mean without > Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt > it. Larry makes a good point, but I believe those > Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly > Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid > the customs duties associated with finished goods, > but GM and Ford do the same thing in Europe. > > I guess my point is that the lines are very > blurred. People can say "Buy American" and I'm all > for it, but you have to wonder how much of the > product is really American. Besides, the Japanese > automaker pays taxes to Uncle Sam for selling their > ca! rs here, same as GM or Ford. > > Matt > > At 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry Shouse wrote: > > I'm not ashamed of owning a Japanese > vehicle. As far as I'm concerned it's our right as > an American to buy what we feel to be the best fit > and value for our given situation. Besides, many > "Japanese" cars and trucks are assembled here in the > United States, while many of our American vehicles > are assem
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Now maybe we're getting somewhere... Maybe not
buying Japanese is a bit more personal for you than unfair trade practices.
Sorry to hear about your grandfather James.
Having said that, I will also tell you that I am
half Japanese, was born an American, I served my country, and I fly Old Glory
WITH PRIDE every day. Even though I am half Japanese, it's something I usually
don't even think about, unless I run across someone wanting to blame me for
something done by someone else generations ago. This being America, you're
certainly within your right to think and spend your money as you see fit. As for
me, I buy things because it meets my needs or fancy, not necessarily where it's
made. All else being equal - or close, I will try to buy American.
Larry Shouse
- Original Message -
From:
James Strunk
To: The Chevelle Mailing List ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:02
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a
japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a
country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my
grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their
country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy
from US
- Original Message -
From:
Marlon
Hanson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own
short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the
Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to
quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses
and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more
ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely
out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant
problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall
that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our
"prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who
were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that
our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we
know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes
toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our
grandchildren?
I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try
to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is
getting harder and harder.
Marlon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is
right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just
for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do.
Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go
after the cars are built in America?
BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000
employees.
Rich-Original Message- From: Matthew Post
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle
Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY
American built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or
Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good
point, but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with
mostly Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid the customs
duties associated with finished goods, but GM and Ford do the same thing
in Europe.I guess my point is that the lines are very
blurred. People can say "Buy American" and I'm all for it, but you
have to wonder how much of the product is really American. Besides,
the Japanese automaker pays taxes to Uncle Sam for selling their ca! rs
here, same as GM or Ford.MattAt 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry
Shouse wrote:
I'm not
ashamed of owning a Japanese vehicle. As far as I'm concerned it's our
right as an American to buy what we feel to be the best fit and value
for our given situation. Besides, many "Japanese" cars and trucks are
assembled here in the United States, while many of our American vehicles
are assembled in other countries. Same goes for parts. You want to buy
strictly American? T
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I agree,Dan. I've built some serious Bugs
and Ghias in my day.
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001
H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From:
Dan
McIntosh
Hey now, don't bash them V-Dubbs, I
happen to own a 73 Beetle
Dan McIntosh1960 Impala Sport
CoupeStreet Metal Fabricationshttp://www.lowriderimpala.com
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:18
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
well i own my 72 ss chevelle conv. ,a 47 ford bus coupe
(life long project) 67 harley chopper and a 93 harley lowrider ,but
because of non drivin fools all over the road i also have a 95 jetta and a
91 camry...wifes car i wont let her near the chevelle ,but i cant afford to
keep putting 1000.00 fenders on my chevelle cause aftermarket
sux,and i am lucky to have the toys i have and enjoy driving them im not
wealthy but i do have a garage and was lucky enuff to buy my son a 73 nova
for us to work on my grandfather was a cmh as well as silver star and 3
purple hearts for his involvement in ww2 and i am so proud to be an
american ,i paid veryu little for both of my imports and i drive them like i
do my others fast and hard when they die they die and i go get another
but that chevelle and the bikes well they have been there and until i die
they will be there with my sons i cant afford to have my toys and have
a disposable american car or truck so that's how i feel about it and i also
rember my grandfather owning a 70 something vw hatchback so it didn't seem
to hurt his pride just a car a cheap disposable car ...who cares if it gets
hit or scratched or breaks down in some parking lot it is what it is
Darin
Bailey
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Is this a Geo-political Forum now? Mike --- Clint Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's > your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one > Harley Davidson. > However,unfair trade with the Chinese is what's > killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's > success. > Clint Hooper > H&H Custom,owner > 1969 El Camino ProTourer > 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger > http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm > - Original Message - > From: James Strunk > > > my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese > product,even if it's your rightyou ARE > supporting a country that attacked and brutally > killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, > that refuses to allow our products to be sold in > their country,,,that's right,,exercise your > right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US > - Original Message - > From: Marlon Hanson > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing > List > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? > > > I think the big picture is that too many of us > our looking at our own short term benefit, just as > GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the > Japanese take over the auto market. They went for > short term quarter to quarter gains profits so > everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses > and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense > been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to > be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out > of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be > a significant problem for our grandchildren. We > can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the > brutality of every country we now buy from during > past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing > compared to what was done to our soldiers who were > captured were subjected to in World War II and > since. And... Now that our funds are gradually > funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we > know what their attitude toward personal liberties > are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... > good for us today. For our children? for our > grandchildren? > I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at > what I'm buying and try to stay as American as > possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is > getting harder and harder. > Marlon. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I agree with all of you; but you're missing > the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not > open their trading borders, not just for Autos but > all products, with the same open arms that we do. > Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit > dollars really go after the cars are built in > America? > > BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and > laying off some 30,000 employees. > > Rich > > > -Original Message- > From: Matthew Post > Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM > To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle > Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? > > Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY > American built anymore? And by that I mean without > Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt > it. Larry makes a good point, but I believe those > Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly > Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid > the customs duties associated with finished goods, > but GM and Ford do the same thing in Europe. > > I guess my point is that the lines are very > blurred. People can say "Buy American" and I'm all > for it, but you have to wonder how much of the > product is really American. Besides, the Japanese > automaker pays taxes to Uncle Sam for selling their > ca! rs here, same as GM or Ford. > > Matt > > At 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry Shouse wrote: > > I'm not ashamed of owning a Japanese > vehicle. As far as I'm concerned it's our right as > an American to buy what we feel to be the best fit > and value for our given situation. Besides, many > "Japanese" cars and trucks are assembled here in the > United States, while many of our American vehicles > are assembled in other countries. Same goes for > parts. You want to buy strictly American? That's > your right and I will defend your right to do so, > but good luck accomplishing your goal. > > Larry Shouse > > - Original Message - > > From: James Strunk > >
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Hey now, don't bash them V-Dubbs, I happen to own a 73 Beetle Dan McIntosh1960 Impala Sport CoupeStreet Metal Fabricationshttp://www.lowriderimpala.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? well i own my 72 ss chevelle conv. ,a 47 ford bus coupe (life long project) 67 harley chopper and a 93 harley lowrider ,but because of non drivin fools all over the road i also have a 95 jetta and a 91 camry...wifes car i wont let her near the chevelle ,but i cant afford to keep putting 1000.00 fenders on my chevelle cause aftermarket sux,and i am lucky to have the toys i have and enjoy driving them im not wealthy but i do have a garage and was lucky enuff to buy my son a 73 nova for us to work on my grandfather was a cmh as well as silver star and 3 purple hearts for his involvement in ww2 and i am so proud to be an american ,i paid veryu little for both of my imports and i drive them like i do my others fast and hard when they die they die and i go get another but that chevelle and the bikes well they have been there and until i die they will be there with my sons i cant afford to have my toys and have a disposable american car or truck so that's how i feel about it and i also rember my grandfather owning a 70 something vw hatchback so it didn't seem to hurt his pride just a car a cheap disposable car ...who cares if it gets hit or scratched or breaks down in some parking lot it is what it is Darin Bailey
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
well i own my 72 ss chevelle conv. ,a 47 ford bus coupe (life long project) 67 harley chopper and a 93 harley lowrider ,but because of non drivin fools all over the road i also have a 95 jetta and a 91 camry...wifes car i wont let her near the chevelle ,but i cant afford to keep putting 1000.00 fenders on my chevelle cause aftermarket sux,and i am lucky to have the toys i have and enjoy driving them im not wealthy but i do have a garage and was lucky enuff to buy my son a 73 nova for us to work on my grandfather was a cmh as well as silver star and 3 purple hearts for his involvement in ww2 and i am so proud to be an american ,i paid veryu little for both of my imports and i drive them like i do my others fast and hard when they die they die and i go get another but that chevelle and the bikes well they have been there and until i die they will be there with my sons i cant afford to have my toys and have a disposable american car or truck so that's how i feel about it and i also rember my grandfather owning a 70 something vw hatchback so it didn't seem to hurt his pride just a car a cheap disposable car ...who cares if it gets hit or scratched or breaks down in some parking lot it is what it is Darin Bailey
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Only speaking for myself,I buy very little from Walmart even though we have a Supercenter located one mile from my house. Most of what I do buy from them are magazines and an occasional box of US amunition for my guns. Groceries too but they are obviously American-produced. Right? I've owned many foreign cars and a few trucks in the past. Never thought their quality was any better and the cost of repairs is a lot higher so,I quit buying them. My GM vehicles have always been more reliable,,for me anyway. I can't speak for others. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Matthew Post You won't buy a Japanese car, but you probably shop at Wal-Mart.
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Germany's reunification with Combloc East Germany
is the main reason for their struggles,at the moment. It's certainly not us
kicking their butts. As for France,who the heck cares?
I'm an optimist but the US economy isn't doing that
well,Matt. Most of the economic indicators are trending downward.
However,disasters like Katrina sure haven't done us any favors. Even though I
support what we're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan,the cost is hurting
us,bigtime.
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001
H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From:
Matthew Post
What people fail to see and what
the media fails to report is how well our economy is actually doing.
Europe and Asia cannot keep up. With the exception of China, who has to
revert to unfair trade practices to succeed, we are doing better than
anywhere else. Japan has been in a decade long depression (wonder it
that's why they don't buy American products), Germany has been in a recession,
unemployment is over 10% in France..We've become a country of
pessimists and the media just fuels that belief.At 04:28 PM
11/22/2005, you wrote:
You guys
can buy foreign cars all you want. It's your right to do so. I own two GM
vehicles and one Harley Davidson.However,unfair trade with the Chinese
is what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's
success.Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino
ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From: James Strunk
my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if
it's your rightyou ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally
killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow
our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your
right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US
- Original Message -
From: Marlon Hanson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our
own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let
the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter
to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat
bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken
over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually
slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove
to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but
I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy from
during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was
done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II
and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the
middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal
liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for
us today. For our children? for our grandchildren?
I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and
try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit
it is getting harder and harder.
Marlon.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James
is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for
Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom
line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after
the cars are built in America?
BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000
employees.
Rich
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Post
Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built
anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican
parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point,
but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly
Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid the customs
duties associated with finished goods, but
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
What people fail to see and what the media fails to report is how well our economy is actually doing. Europe and Asia cannot keep up. With the exception of China, who has to revert to unfair trade practices to succeed, we are doing better than anywhere else. Japan has been in a decade long depression (wonder it that's why they don't buy American products), Germany has been in a recession, unemployment is over 10% in France..We've become a country of pessimists and the media just fuels that belief. At 04:28 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley Davidson. However,unfair trade with the Chinese is what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: James Strunk my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US - Original Message - From: Marlon Hanson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren? I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is getting harder and harder. Marlon. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after the cars are built in America? BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000 employees. Rich -Original Message- From: Matthew Post Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point, but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid the customs duties associated with finished goods, but GM and Ford do the same thing in Europe. I guess my point is that the lines are very blurred. People can say "Buy American" and I'm all for it, but you have to wonder how much of the product is really American. Besides, the Japanese automaker pays taxes to Uncle Sam for selling their ca! rs here, same as GM or Ford. Matt At 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry Shouse wrote: I'm not ashamed of owning a Japanese vehicle. As far as I'm concerned it's our right as an American to buy what we feel to be the best fit and value for our given situation. Besides, many "Japanese" cars and trucks are assembled here in the United States, while many of our American vehicles are assembled in other countries. Same goes for parts. You want to buy strictly American? That's your right and I will defend your right to do so, but good luck accomplishing your goal. Larry Shouse - Original Message ----- From: James Strunk To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I have an idea,,no a suggestion,get rid of that japanese car,,anybody should be ashamed to own japanese cars,they restict owr big three automakers to a sp
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
You won't buy a Japanese car, but you probably shop at Wal-Mart. At 04:02 PM 11/22/2005, James Strunk wrote: my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US - Original Message - From: Marlon Hanson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren? I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is getting harder and harder. Marlon. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after the cars are built in America? BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000 employees. Rich -Original Message- From: Matthew Post Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point, but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid the customs duties associated with finished goods, but GM and Ford do the same thing in Europe. I guess my point is that the lines are very blurred. People can say "Buy American" and I'm all for it, but you have to wonder how much of the product is really American. Besides, the Japanese automaker pays taxes to Uncle Sam for selling their ca! rs here, same as GM or Ford. Matt At 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry Shouse wrote: I'm not ashamed of owning a Japanese vehicle. As far as I'm concerned it's our right as an American to buy what we feel to be the best fit and value for our given situation. Besides, many "Japanese" cars and trucks are assembled here in the United States, while many of our American vehicles are assembled in other countries. Same goes for parts. You want to buy strictly American? That's your right and I will defend your right to do so, but good luck accomplishing your goal. Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: James Strunk To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I have an idea,,no a suggestion,get rid of that japanese car,,anybody should be ashamed to own japanese cars,they restict owr big three automakers to a specific # of cars that can be sold in japan,, FAIR TRADE ??? I've said before,,If you see me in a japanese car or truck,,call the law,,I've been kidnapped ! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? ok ok somebody has got to step and be the expert ..somebody? anybody ? gez maybe all of us together are the experts lol Darin Bailey
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's
your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley Davidson.
However,unfair trade with the Chinese is
what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success.
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001
H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From:
James Strunk
my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a
japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a
country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my
grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their
country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy
from US
- Original Message -
From:
Marlon
Hanson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own
short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the
Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to
quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses
and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more
ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely
out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant
problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall
that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our
"prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who
were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that
our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we
know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes
toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our
grandchildren?
I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try
to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is
getting harder and harder.
Marlon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is
right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just
for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do.
Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go
after the cars are built in America?
BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000
employees.
Rich-Original Message- From: Matthew Post
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle
Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY
American built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or
Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good
point, but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with
mostly Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid the customs
duties associated with finished goods, but GM and Ford do the same thing
in Europe.I guess my point is that the lines are very
blurred. People can say "Buy American" and I'm all for it, but you
have to wonder how much of the product is really American. Besides,
the Japanese automaker pays taxes to Uncle Sam for selling their ca! rs
here, same as GM or Ford.MattAt 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry
Shouse wrote:
I'm not
ashamed of owning a Japanese vehicle. As far as I'm concerned it's our
right as an American to buy what we feel to be the best fit and value
for our given situation. Besides, many "Japanese" cars and trucks are
assembled here in the United States, while many of our American vehicles
are assembled in other countries. Same goes for parts. You want to buy
strictly American? That's your right and I will defend your right to do
so, but good luck accomplishing your goal. Larry Shouse
- Original Message -
From: James Strunk
To: The Chevelle
Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
I have an idea,,no a suggestion,get rid of that
japanese car,,anybody should be ashamed to own japanese cars,they
restict owr big three automakers to a specific # of cars that can be
sold in japan,,
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Are the US-made Toyotas made in the USA or
assembled in the USA? Are their engines and transmissions made here? I know
their electronics are not made here. Neither are their rolling stock and
suspension components.
If the companies are Japanese-owned,most of their
profits don't stay in America.
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001
H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From:
Matthew Post
That's very interesting.
So, it makes me wonder if that makes it an American car? Guess it
depends on how you look at it. Either by where and by who it's made or
who ultimately owns the company.At 03:32 PM 11/22/2005, you
wrote:
I am one of those silent people
learning from eveyone else. First, I am the proud owner of a '65
Chevelle SS. Secondly, I work for a Japanese transplant parts
suppliers in Missouri. I can't say for all parts but I do know most of
the parts on American made Toyota's are made in the USA.
From: Matthew Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List
To: The Chevelle Mailing List ,"The
Chevelle Mailing List"
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:12:18 -0800
Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built anymore?
And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.?
I doubt it. Larry makes a good point, but I believe those Japanese
cars assembled here are made with mostly Japanese parts. They are
assembled here to avoid the customs duties associated with finished goods,
but GM and Ford do the same thing in Europe.
I guess my point is that the lines are very blurred. People can
say "Buy American" and I'm all for it, but you have to wonder how much of
the product is really American. Besides, the Japanese automaker pays
taxes to Uncle Sam for selling their cars here, same as GM or
Ford.
Matt
At 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry Shouse wrote:
I'm not ashamed of owning a Japanese vehicle. As
far as I'm concerned it's our right as an American to buy what we feel
to be the best fit and value for our given situation. Besides, many
"Japanese" cars and trucks are assembled here in the United States,
while many of our American vehicles are assembled in other countries.
Same goes for parts. You want to buy strictly American? That's your
right and I will defend your right to do so, but good luck accomplishing
your goal.
Larry Shouse
- Original Message -
From: James Strunk
To: The Chevelle
Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
I have an idea,,no a suggestion,get rid of that
japanese car,,anybody should be ashamed to own japanese cars,they
restict owr big three automakers to a specific # of cars that can be
sold in japan,, FAIR
TRADE ??? I've said before,,If
you see me in a japanese car or truck,,call the law,,I've been
kidnapped !
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
ok ok
somebody has got to step and be the expert ..somebody? anybody ?
gez maybe all of us together are the experts lol
Darin Bailey
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese
product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a
country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my
grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their
country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy
from US
- Original Message -
From:
Marlon Hanson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own
short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the
Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to
quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses
and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more
ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out
of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant
problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that
the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner
abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were
captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our
funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know
what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward
buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our
grandchildren?
I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try to
stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is
getting harder and harder.
Marlon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is
right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just
for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do.
Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after
the cars are built in America?
BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000
employees.
Rich-Original Message- From: Matthew Post
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle
Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American
built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican
parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point, but I
believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly Japanese
parts. They are assembled here to avoid the customs duties associated
with finished goods, but GM and Ford do the same thing in Europe.I
guess my point is that the lines are very blurred. People can say "Buy
American" and I'm all for it, but you have to wonder how much of the product
is really American. Besides, the Japanese automaker pays taxes to
Uncle Sam for selling their ca! rs here, same as GM or
Ford.MattAt 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry Shouse
wrote:
I'm not
ashamed of owning a Japanese vehicle. As far as I'm concerned it's our
right as an American to buy what we feel to be the best fit and value for
our given situation. Besides, many "Japanese" cars and trucks are
assembled here in the United States, while many of our American vehicles
are assembled in other countries. Same goes for parts. You want to buy
strictly American? That's your right and I will defend your right to do
so, but good luck accomplishing your goal. Larry Shouse
- Original Message -
From: James Strunk
To: The Chevelle
Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
I have an idea,,no a suggestion,get rid of that
japanese car,,anybody should be ashamed to own japanese cars,they
restict owr big three automakers to a specific # of cars that can be
sold in japan,, FAIR
TRADE ??? I've said before,,If
you see me in a japanese car or truck,,call the law,,I've been
kidnapped !
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
ok ok somebody
has got to step and be the expert ..somebody? anybody ? gez
maybe all of us together are the experts lol
Darin
Bailey
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
That's very interesting. So, it makes me wonder if that makes it an American car? Guess it depends on how you look at it. Either by where and by who it's made or who ultimately owns the company. At 03:32 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: I am one of those silent people learning from eveyone else. First, I am the proud owner of a '65 Chevelle SS. Secondly, I work for a Japanense transplant parts suppliers in Missouri. I can't say for all parts but I do know most of the parts on American made Toyota's are made in the USA. From: Matthew Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List To: The Chevelle Mailing List ,"The Chevelle Mailing List" Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:12:18 -0800 Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point, but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid the customs duties associated with finished goods, but GM and Ford do the same thing in Europe. I guess my point is that the lines are very blurred. People can say "Buy American" and I'm all for it, but you have to wonder how much of the product is really American. Besides, the Japanese automaker pays taxes to Uncle Sam for selling their cars here, same as GM or Ford. Matt At 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry Shouse wrote: I'm not ashamed of owning a Japanese vehicle. As far as I'm concerned it's our right as an American to buy what we feel to be the best fit and value for our given situation. Besides, many "Japanese" cars and trucks are assembled here in the United States, while many of our American vehicles are assembled in other countries. Same goes for parts. You want to buy strictly American? That's your right and I will defend your right to do so, but good luck accomplishing your goal. Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: James Strunk To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I have an idea,,no a suggestion,get rid of that japanese car,,anybody should be ashamed to own japanese cars,they restict owr big three automakers to a specific # of cars that can be sold in japan,, FAIR TRADE ??? I've said before,,If you see me in a japanese car or truck,,call the law,,I've been kidnapped ! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? ok ok somebody has got to step and be the expert ..somebody? anybody ? gez maybe all of us together are the experts lol Darin Bailey
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Very good points Marlon. The U.S. has become the caretaker of the
world. We dump billions of dollars helping other countries economies and
poverty levels. I can't remember the exact number but I believe the U.S.
has 26 million people living below the poverty level. What happened to
taking care of us? The cold war is over. There was a reason in the
day to defend our borders. Japan owns a significant portion of U.S
soil. How and why did we let that happen. They could own us
someday. Ron M.
- Original Message -
From: Marlon Hanson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:20
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone
home?
I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own
short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the
Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to
quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses
and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more
ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out
of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant
problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that
the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner
abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were
captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our
funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know
what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward
buying America ... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren?
I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try to
stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is
getting harder and harder.
Marlon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is
right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just
for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do.
Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after
the cars are built in America?
BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000
employees.
Rich-Original Message- From: Matthew Post
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle
Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American
built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican
parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point, but I
believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly Japanese
parts. They are assembled here to avoid the customs duties associated
with finished goods, but GM and Ford do the same thing in Europe.I
guess my point is that the lines are very blurred. People can say "Buy
American" and I'm all for it, but you have to wonder how much of the product
is really American. Besides, the Japanese automaker pays taxes to
Uncle Sam for selling their cars here, same as GM or
Ford.MattAt 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry Shouse
wrote:
I'm not
ashamed of owning a Japanese vehicle. As far as I'm concerned it's our
right as an American to buy what we feel to be the best fit and value for
our given situation. Besides, many "Japanese" cars and trucks are
assembled here in the United States, while many of our American vehicles
are assembled in other countries. Same goes for parts. You want to buy
strictly American? That's your right and I will defend your right to do
so, but good luck accomplishing your goal. Larry Shouse
- Original Message -
From: James Strunk
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
I have an idea,,no a suggestion,get rid of that
japanese car,,anybody should be ashamed to own japanese cars,they
restict owr big three automakers to a specific # of cars that can be
sold in japan,, FAIR
TRADE ??? I've said before,,If
you see me in a japanese car or truck,,call the law,,I've been
kidnapped !
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
ok ok somebody
has got to step and be
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
I am one of those silent people learning from eveyone else. First, I am the proud owner of a '65 Chevelle SS. Secondly, I work for a Japanense transplant parts suppliers in Missouri. I can't say for all parts but I do know most of the parts on American made Toyota's are made in the USA. From: Matthew Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List To: The Chevelle Mailing List ,"The Chevelle Mailing List" Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:12:18 -0800Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point, but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid the customs duties associated with finished goods, but GM and Ford do the same thing in Europe.I guess my point is that the lines are very blurred. People can say "Buy American" and I'm all for it, but you have to wonder how much of the product is really American. Besides, the Japanese automaker pays taxes to Uncle Sam for selling their cars here, same as GM or Ford.MattAt 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry Shouse wrote: I'm not ashamed of owning a Japanese vehicle. As far as I'm concerned it's our right as an American to buy what we feel to be the best fit and value for our given situation. Besides, many "Japanese" cars and trucks are assembled here in the United States, while many of our American vehicles are assembled in other countries. Same goes for parts. You want to buy strictly American? That's your right and I will defend your right to do so, but good luck accomplishing your goal. Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: James Strunk To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I have an idea,,no a suggestion,get rid of that japanese car,,anybody should be ashamed to own japanese cars,they restict owr big three automakers to a specific # of cars that can be sold in japan,, FAIR TRADE ??? I've said before,,If you see me in a japanese car or truck,,call the law,,I've been kidnapped ! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? ok ok somebody has got to step and be the expert ..somebody? anybody ? gez maybe all of us together are the experts lol Darin Bailey
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I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying America ... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren? I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is getting harder and harder. Marlon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after the cars are built in America? BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000 employees. Rich-Original Message- From: Matthew Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point, but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid the customs duties associated with finished goods, but GM and Ford do the same thing in Europe.I guess my point is that the lines are very blurred. People can say "Buy American" and I'm all for it, but you have to wonder how much of the product is really American. Besides, the Japanese automaker pays taxes to Uncle Sam for selling their cars here, same as GM or Ford.MattAt 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry Shouse wrote: I'm not ashamed of owning a Japanese vehicle. As far as I'm concerned it's our right as an American to buy what we feel to be the best fit and value for our given situation. Besides, many "Japanese" cars and trucks are assembled here in the United States, while many of our American vehicles are assembled in other countries. Same goes for parts. You want to buy strictly American? That's your right and I will defend your right to do so, but good luck accomplishing your goal. Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: James Strunk To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I have an idea,,no a suggestion,get rid of that japanese car,,anybody should be ashamed to own japanese cars,they restict owr big three automakers to a specific # of cars that can be sold in japan,, FAIR TRADE ??? I've said before,,If you see me in a japanese car or truck,,call the law,,I've been kidnapped ! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? ok ok somebody has got to step and be the expert ..somebody? anybody ? gez maybe all of us together are the experts lol Darin Bailey
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Speaking for the telecom industry, the Europeans are far more guilty of blocking American products and technologies than the Japanese. Fact is, no one is as open to trade as we are. Playing devil's advocate, I would argue that since both GM and Toyota are public companies (and traded on the NYSE) that the ultimate beneficiaries of profits are the shareholders (both foreign and domestic). Japan, as a country, is also the biggest foreign investor in US assets. So, if you think of it that way, all those Japanese fat cats making huge profits selling their products in the US are investing most of those profitsyou guessed it, right here in the USA. It's a shame about the layoffs at GM. They've been headed in the wrong direction for a long time. Matt At 01:22 PM 11/22/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after the cars are built in America? BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000 employees. Rich -Original Message- From: Matthew Post Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point, but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid the customs duties associated with finished goods, but GM and Ford do the same thing in Europe. I guess my point is that the lines are very blurred. People can say "Buy American" and I'm all for it, but you have to wonder how much of the product is really American. Besides, the Japanese automaker pays taxes to Uncle Sam for selling their cars here, same as GM or Ford. Matt At 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry Shouse wrote: I'm not ashamed of owning a Japanese vehicle. As far as I'm concerned it's our right as an American to buy what we feel to be the best fit and value for our given situation. Besides, many "Japanese" cars and trucks are assembled here in the United States, while many of our American vehicles are assembled in other countries. Same goes for parts. You want to buy strictly American? That's your right and I will defend your right to do so, but good luck accomplishing your goal. Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: James Strunk To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I have an idea,,no a suggestion,get rid of that japanese car,,anybody should be ashamed to own japanese cars,they restict owr big three automakers to a specific # of cars that can be sold in japan,, FAIR TRADE ??? I've said before,,If you see me in a japanese car or truck,,call the law,,I've been kidnapped ! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? ok ok somebody has got to step and be the expert ..somebody? anybody ? gez maybe all of us together are the experts lol Darin Bailey
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I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after the cars are built in America? BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000 employees. Rich-Original Message- From: Matthew Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point, but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid the customs duties associated with finished goods, but GM and Ford do the same thing in Europe.I guess my point is that the lines are very blurred. People can say "Buy American" and I'm all for it, but you have to wonder how much of the product is really American. Besides, the Japanese automaker pays taxes to Uncle Sam for selling their cars here, same as GM or Ford.MattAt 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry Shouse wrote: I'm not ashamed of owning a Japanese vehicle. As far as I'm concerned it's our right as an American to buy what we feel to be the best fit and value for our given situation. Besides, many "Japanese" cars and trucks are assembled here in the United States, while many of our American vehicles are assembled in other countries. Same goes for parts. You want to buy strictly American? That's your right and I will defend your right to do so, but good luck accomplishing your goal. Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: James Strunk To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I have an idea,,no a suggestion,get rid of that japanese car,,anybody should be ashamed to own japanese cars,they restict owr big three automakers to a specific # of cars that can be sold in japan,, FAIR TRADE ??? I've said before,,If you see me in a japanese car or truck,,call the law,,I've been kidnapped ! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? ok ok somebody has got to step and be the expert ..somebody? anybody ? gez maybe all of us together are the experts lol Darin Bailey
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Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point, but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid the customs duties associated with finished goods, but GM and Ford do the same thing in Europe. I guess my point is that the lines are very blurred. People can say "Buy American" and I'm all for it, but you have to wonder how much of the product is really American. Besides, the Japanese automaker pays taxes to Uncle Sam for selling their cars here, same as GM or Ford. Matt At 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry Shouse wrote: I'm not ashamed of owning a Japanese vehicle. As far as I'm concerned it's our right as an American to buy what we feel to be the best fit and value for our given situation. Besides, many "Japanese" cars and trucks are assembled here in the United States, while many of our American vehicles are assembled in other countries. Same goes for parts. You want to buy strictly American? That's your right and I will defend your right to do so, but good luck accomplishing your goal. Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: James Strunk To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I have an idea,,no a suggestion,get rid of that japanese car,,anybody should be ashamed to own japanese cars,they restict owr big three automakers to a specific # of cars that can be sold in japan,, FAIR TRADE ??? I've said before,,If you see me in a japanese car or truck,,call the law,,I've been kidnapped ! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? ok ok somebody has got to step and be the expert ..somebody? anybody ? gez maybe all of us together are the experts lol Darin Bailey
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I'm not ashamed of owning a Japanese vehicle. As far as I'm concerned it's our right as an American to buy what we feel to be the best fit and value for our given situation. Besides, many "Japanese" cars and trucks are assembled here in the United States, while many of our American vehicles are assembled in other countries. Same goes for parts. You want to buy strictly American? That's your right and I will defend your right to do so, but good luck accomplishing your goal. Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: James Strunk To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I have an idea,,no a suggestion,get rid of that japanese car,,anybody should be ashamed to own japanese cars,they restict owr big three automakers to a specific # of cars that can be sold in japan,, FAIR TRADE ??? I've said before,,If you see me in a japanese car or truck,,call the law,,I've been kidnapped ! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? ok ok somebody has got to step and be the expert ..somebody? anybody ? gez maybe all of us together are the experts lol Darin Bailey
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Maybe everyone is on vacation this week. Dennis McGillis '65 Malibu SS in process of getting a 350 - Original Message - From: "Clint Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:15 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Sure has been quiet today. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
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I have an idea,,no a suggestion,get rid of that japanese car,,anybody should be ashamed to own japanese cars,they restict owr big three automakers to a specific # of cars that can be sold in japan,, FAIR TRADE ??? I've said before,,If you see me in a japanese car or truck,,call the law,,I've been kidnapped ! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? ok ok somebody has got to step and be the expert ..somebody? anybody ? gez maybe all of us together are the experts lol Darin Bailey
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I think I'm an expert sometimes. X, we know from Algebra is the unknown. And a spurt is nothing more than a drip under pressure! Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Rich-Original Message- From: Bill Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Nov 22, 2005 8:41 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? i was once a "pert" , do i qualify? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? ok ok somebody has got to step and be the expert ..somebody? anybody ? gez maybe all of us together are the experts lol Darin Bailey
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i was once a "pert" , do i qualify? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? ok ok somebody has got to step and be the expert ..somebody? anybody ? gez maybe all of us together are the experts lol Darin Bailey
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ok ok somebody has got to step and be the expert ..somebody? anybody ? gez maybe all of us together are the experts lol Darin Bailey
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I don’t know anythingand I am an Engineer. LOL - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Expert? I'm just a rank amateur. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Ron Malespin Im here Clint. I just sit an listen to you experts. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper Sure has been quiet today.Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
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Expert? I'm just a rank amateur. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Ron Malespin Im here Clint. I just sit an listen to you experts. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper Sure has been quiet today.Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
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I was wondering if I was the only one. Brian From: "Clint Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List To: Subject: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:15:08 -0600 Sure has been quiet today. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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Im here Clint. I just sit an listen to you experts. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:15 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Sure has been quiet today.Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
