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Thanks Harlan. Anyone hear of Bassani? They've come out with an A-Body exhaust kit. The article link below from Chevy Rumble shows the install. Looks really easy. http://www.bassani.com/new_products/5/ http://www.chevyrumble.com/ME2/Audiences/dirmod.asp?sid=nm=type=Publishingmod=Publications%3A%3AArticlemid=AE61BCE2EFE94FB48E4DC360DD631B8Ftier=4id=9BC66EE310B24E96B26A50908CAA70B5AudID=3042C2227EB048809E17F5A2AB5401FA At 05:11 AM 1/10/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes i have those on one of my cars where the pipe had to go across the frame, they tuck up nice and seem like they would not impede flow. Harlan In a message dated 1/9/2008 10:51:25 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone have experience with oval exhaust pipe? -Matt ** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
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Hi All. Does it look like it's only from 68 and newer? I don't see anything for 67 and older..maybe I missed something.. Tom P In a message dated 1/11/2008 2:07:40 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Harlan. Anyone hear of Bassani? They've come out with an A-Body exhaust kit. The article link below from Chevy Rumble shows the install. Looks really easy. _http://www.bassani.com/new_products/5/ _ (http://www.bassani.com/new_products/5/) _http://www.chevyrumble.com/ME2/Audiences/dirmod.asp?sid=nm=type=Publishingmod=Publications%3A%3AArticlemid=A E61BCE2EFE94FB48E4DC360DD631B8Ftier=4id=9BC66EE310B24E96B26A50908CAA70B5Aud ID=3042C2227EB048809E17F5A2AB5401FA _ (http://www.chevyrumble.com/ME2/Audiences/dirmod.asp?sid=nm=type=Publishingmod=Publications::Articlemid=AE61BCE2EFE94FB48E4DC360DD631B8Ftier=4id=9BC 66EE310B24E96B26A50908CAA70B5AudID=3042C2227EB048809E17F5A2AB5401FA) At 05:11 AM 1/10/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes i have those on one of my cars where the pipe had to go across the frame, they tuck up nice and seem like they would not impede flow. Harlan In a message dated 1/9/2008 10:51:25 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone have experience with oval exhaust pipe? -Matt ** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. _http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489_ (http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489) **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
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yes i have those on one of my cars where the pipe had to go across the frame, they tuck up nice and seem like they would not impede flow. Harlan In a message dated 1/9/2008 10:51:25 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone have experience with oval exhaust pipe? -Matt ** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
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That's really good to know. Thanks Tom. Now I have to just decide what system to buy. I was thinking the 3 Pypes X pipe system, but I read on one of the web forums that they hang low for a lowered car. So I started looking at the oval pipe systems which look pretty trick. I bet I can get one of those to tuck up real nice. Anyone have experience with oval exhaust pipe? -Matt At 07:35 PM 1/8/2008, Tom Tomlinson wrote: When I needed an expander for my exhaust install, I borrowed one from AutoZone. That's one of the tools they will loan out for free. Tom Tomlinson '71 Malibu Matthew Post wrote: Thanks. That's what I was thinking. Using a sawzall or cutoff wheel to trim the pipes where needed. Once the guys pointed me to Lisle for the expander tool, I found out Summit has one also. Probably not as good as the Lisle, but about half the price. Thanks for all the help. Now I just have to get to work! At 05:30 PM 1/7/2008, John Nasta wrote: One of those air powered cutoff wheels works well too. That's what I used on mine. A friend made the down-pipes for me (b/c I have stock x-mans) and expanded the ends of them to fit into the 2.5 Flowmaster pipes. My brother also gave me some sleeves that you can put between the smaller and the bigger pipe but I didn't need to use them. I still have them (in my kitchen where auto parts belong). Quoting Tom Rightler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I used a sawzall and a vice to cut the pipes that needed it. I have an expander that you can use with a 1 1/8th socket and an impact gun. It worked out well. Tom - Original Message - From: Matthew Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net; The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? Tom, You mentioned that you had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs. What type of tool is used to expand the pipes inexpensively at home? Thanks, Matt At 08:50 PM 1/6/2008, Tom Rightler wrote: Jim, The Flowmaster or Pypes systems really aren't all that hard to install in your garage. I've done several exhaust systems in a day taking my time and making sure everything fits as it should. I put a system on a 72 Monte Carlo with stock manifolds that consisted of a set of down pipes (from Pypes) that made up the length difference from the stock manifold to where a typical header would dump out at, then finished it off with one of those cheap Summit Racing systems. It went OK at best, the generic Summit kit was not my choice, but the owner of the car wanting to get it done cheaply. I put the Flowmaster American Thunder system with the 40 series mufflers on my 70 back in 2000. It does fit the car nice, no complaints there, just the mufflers rotted out on the bottom and blew the baffles loose so I need to replace them. That was a system off a set of Dynomax Headers. I put the Pypes 2.5 X Crossover system on the Charger. It was one of the best fitting systems I've ever put on a car...seriously. The only problem I ran into with it are where the Hooker Super Comp headers dumped out under the body. They didn't line up with the humps in the trans crossmember so I had to be a little creative there and use a mandrel bent pipe to complete the system. I used their Race Flo Mufflers that came with the system. Overall, the mufflers sound OK at best, and the car doesn't have that MOPAR sound like it should. I'm considering changing the mufflers out. On my 86 Cutlass that I put a 350 in and full length headers, I used a Dynomax dual system designed for G body cars with small block chevy engines. The system fit OK. I don't like how they get around the fact that G body trans crossmembers don't have 2 humps in them for dual exhaust. They bend the pipe around and then try to tuck up back up. That system has been on that car since 2001 and it's rotting and falling apart, probably in part to the fact I was driving the car thourgh those wonderful NJ winters for a couple years until I got the truck. I would imagine the system they have for 68-72 A body GM would be a tad better in quality. All of these systems can be installed in 1 day by yourself and as long as you have certain tools like a pipe cutter or sawzall and some wrenches. I've had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs I listed above. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor - Original Message - From: J. Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? That's one thing about my current system that's probably working out as a good thing- since it's not sealed real well right now, all the moisture drains out on the floor in my garage!! 8^] I appreciate everyone' input on this, thanks so much. I saw the Pypes setup in either my Jegs or Summit catalog, and knew nada
Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit?
Thanks. That's what I was thinking. Using a sawzall or cutoff wheel to trim the pipes where needed. Once the guys pointed me to Lisle for the expander tool, I found out Summit has one also. Probably not as good as the Lisle, but about half the price. Thanks for all the help. Now I just have to get to work! At 05:30 PM 1/7/2008, John Nasta wrote: One of those air powered cutoff wheels works well too. That's what I used on mine. A friend made the down-pipes for me (b/c I have stock x-mans) and expanded the ends of them to fit into the 2.5 Flowmaster pipes. My brother also gave me some sleeves that you can put between the smaller and the bigger pipe but I didn't need to use them. I still have them (in my kitchen where auto parts belong). Quoting Tom Rightler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I used a sawzall and a vice to cut the pipes that needed it. I have an expander that you can use with a 1 1/8th socket and an impact gun. It worked out well. Tom - Original Message - From: Matthew Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net; The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? Tom, You mentioned that you had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs. What type of tool is used to expand the pipes inexpensively at home? Thanks, Matt At 08:50 PM 1/6/2008, Tom Rightler wrote: Jim, The Flowmaster or Pypes systems really aren't all that hard to install in your garage. I've done several exhaust systems in a day taking my time and making sure everything fits as it should. I put a system on a 72 Monte Carlo with stock manifolds that consisted of a set of down pipes (from Pypes) that made up the length difference from the stock manifold to where a typical header would dump out at, then finished it off with one of those cheap Summit Racing systems. It went OK at best, the generic Summit kit was not my choice, but the owner of the car wanting to get it done cheaply. I put the Flowmaster American Thunder system with the 40 series mufflers on my 70 back in 2000. It does fit the car nice, no complaints there, just the mufflers rotted out on the bottom and blew the baffles loose so I need to replace them. That was a system off a set of Dynomax Headers. I put the Pypes 2.5 X Crossover system on the Charger. It was one of the best fitting systems I've ever put on a car...seriously. The only problem I ran into with it are where the Hooker Super Comp headers dumped out under the body. They didn't line up with the humps in the trans crossmember so I had to be a little creative there and use a mandrel bent pipe to complete the system. I used their Race Flo Mufflers that came with the system. Overall, the mufflers sound OK at best, and the car doesn't have that MOPAR sound like it should. I'm considering changing the mufflers out. On my 86 Cutlass that I put a 350 in and full length headers, I used a Dynomax dual system designed for G body cars with small block chevy engines. The system fit OK. I don't like how they get around the fact that G body trans crossmembers don't have 2 humps in them for dual exhaust. They bend the pipe around and then try to tuck up back up. That system has been on that car since 2001 and it's rotting and falling apart, probably in part to the fact I was driving the car thourgh those wonderful NJ winters for a couple years until I got the truck. I would imagine the system they have for 68-72 A body GM would be a tad better in quality. All of these systems can be installed in 1 day by yourself and as long as you have certain tools like a pipe cutter or sawzall and some wrenches. I've had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs I listed above. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor - Original Message - From: J. Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? That's one thing about my current system that's probably working out as a good thing- since it's not sealed real well right now, all the moisture drains out on the floor in my garage!! 8^] I appreciate everyone' input on this, thanks so much. I saw the Pypes setup in either my Jegs or Summit catalog, and knew nada about their stuff, so it's good to hear some feedback on it. And I guess you guys are concluding from me talking about an exhaust swap, that I decided NOT to trade the car 8^] The exhaust thing has been the biggest thing bumming me out about the vehicle, so if I can get that resolved I think I'll be in a much better place. Regards, Jim --- John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, I've had Flowmasters on my 69 El Camino for about 4 years, and it is a driver that I park on the street and drive in all kinds of weather, and everything is fine. No signs of rust or rot anywhere. Maybe just the fact that I
Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit?
When I needed an expander for my exhaust install, I borrowed one from AutoZone. That's one of the tools they will loan out for free. Tom Tomlinson '71 Malibu Matthew Post wrote: Thanks. That's what I was thinking. Using a sawzall or cutoff wheel to trim the pipes where needed. Once the guys pointed me to Lisle for the expander tool, I found out Summit has one also. Probably not as good as the Lisle, but about half the price. Thanks for all the help. Now I just have to get to work! At 05:30 PM 1/7/2008, John Nasta wrote: One of those air powered cutoff wheels works well too. That's what I used on mine. A friend made the down-pipes for me (b/c I have stock x-mans) and expanded the ends of them to fit into the 2.5 Flowmaster pipes. My brother also gave me some sleeves that you can put between the smaller and the bigger pipe but I didn't need to use them. I still have them (in my kitchen where auto parts belong). Quoting Tom Rightler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I used a sawzall and a vice to cut the pipes that needed it. I have an expander that you can use with a 1 1/8th socket and an impact gun. It worked out well. Tom - Original Message - From: Matthew Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net; The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? Tom, You mentioned that you had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs. What type of tool is used to expand the pipes inexpensively at home? Thanks, Matt At 08:50 PM 1/6/2008, Tom Rightler wrote: Jim, The Flowmaster or Pypes systems really aren't all that hard to install in your garage. I've done several exhaust systems in a day taking my time and making sure everything fits as it should. I put a system on a 72 Monte Carlo with stock manifolds that consisted of a set of down pipes (from Pypes) that made up the length difference from the stock manifold to where a typical header would dump out at, then finished it off with one of those cheap Summit Racing systems. It went OK at best, the generic Summit kit was not my choice, but the owner of the car wanting to get it done cheaply. I put the Flowmaster American Thunder system with the 40 series mufflers on my 70 back in 2000. It does fit the car nice, no complaints there, just the mufflers rotted out on the bottom and blew the baffles loose so I need to replace them. That was a system off a set of Dynomax Headers. I put the Pypes 2.5 X Crossover system on the Charger. It was one of the best fitting systems I've ever put on a car...seriously. The only problem I ran into with it are where the Hooker Super Comp headers dumped out under the body. They didn't line up with the humps in the trans crossmember so I had to be a little creative there and use a mandrel bent pipe to complete the system. I used their Race Flo Mufflers that came with the system. Overall, the mufflers sound OK at best, and the car doesn't have that MOPAR sound like it should. I'm considering changing the mufflers out. On my 86 Cutlass that I put a 350 in and full length headers, I used a Dynomax dual system designed for G body cars with small block chevy engines. The system fit OK. I don't like how they get around the fact that G body trans crossmembers don't have 2 humps in them for dual exhaust. They bend the pipe around and then try to tuck up back up. That system has been on that car since 2001 and it's rotting and falling apart, probably in part to the fact I was driving the car thourgh those wonderful NJ winters for a couple years until I got the truck. I would imagine the system they have for 68-72 A body GM would be a tad better in quality. All of these systems can be installed in 1 day by yourself and as long as you have certain tools like a pipe cutter or sawzall and some wrenches. I've had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs I listed above. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor - Original Message - From: J. Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? That's one thing about my current system that's probably working out as a good thing- since it's not sealed real well right now, all the moisture drains out on the floor in my garage!! 8^] I appreciate everyone' input on this, thanks so much. I saw the Pypes setup in either my Jegs or Summit catalog, and knew nada about their stuff, so it's good to hear some feedback on it. And I guess you guys are concluding from me talking about an exhaust swap, that I decided NOT to trade the car 8^] The exhaust thing has been the biggest thing bumming me out about the vehicle, so if I can get that resolved I think I'll be in a much better place. Regards, Jim --- John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, I've had Flowmasters on my 69 El Camino
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Tom, You mentioned that you had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs. What type of tool is used to expand the pipes inexpensively at home? Thanks, Matt At 08:50 PM 1/6/2008, Tom Rightler wrote: Jim, The Flowmaster or Pypes systems really aren't all that hard to install in your garage. I've done several exhaust systems in a day taking my time and making sure everything fits as it should. I put a system on a 72 Monte Carlo with stock manifolds that consisted of a set of down pipes (from Pypes) that made up the length difference from the stock manifold to where a typical header would dump out at, then finished it off with one of those cheap Summit Racing systems. It went OK at best, the generic Summit kit was not my choice, but the owner of the car wanting to get it done cheaply. I put the Flowmaster American Thunder system with the 40 series mufflers on my 70 back in 2000. It does fit the car nice, no complaints there, just the mufflers rotted out on the bottom and blew the baffles loose so I need to replace them. That was a system off a set of Dynomax Headers. I put the Pypes 2.5 X Crossover system on the Charger. It was one of the best fitting systems I've ever put on a car...seriously. The only problem I ran into with it are where the Hooker Super Comp headers dumped out under the body. They didn't line up with the humps in the trans crossmember so I had to be a little creative there and use a mandrel bent pipe to complete the system. I used their Race Flo Mufflers that came with the system. Overall, the mufflers sound OK at best, and the car doesn't have that MOPAR sound like it should. I'm considering changing the mufflers out. On my 86 Cutlass that I put a 350 in and full length headers, I used a Dynomax dual system designed for G body cars with small block chevy engines. The system fit OK. I don't like how they get around the fact that G body trans crossmembers don't have 2 humps in them for dual exhaust. They bend the pipe around and then try to tuck up back up. That system has been on that car since 2001 and it's rotting and falling apart, probably in part to the fact I was driving the car thourgh those wonderful NJ winters for a couple years until I got the truck. I would imagine the system they have for 68-72 A body GM would be a tad better in quality. All of these systems can be installed in 1 day by yourself and as long as you have certain tools like a pipe cutter or sawzall and some wrenches. I've had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs I listed above. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor - Original Message - From: J. Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? That's one thing about my current system that's probably working out as a good thing- since it's not sealed real well right now, all the moisture drains out on the floor in my garage!! 8^] I appreciate everyone' input on this, thanks so much. I saw the Pypes setup in either my Jegs or Summit catalog, and knew nada about their stuff, so it's good to hear some feedback on it. And I guess you guys are concluding from me talking about an exhaust swap, that I decided NOT to trade the car 8^] The exhaust thing has been the biggest thing bumming me out about the vehicle, so if I can get that resolved I think I'll be in a much better place. Regards, Jim --- John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, I've had Flowmasters on my 69 El Camino for about 4 years, and it is a driver that I park on the street and drive in all kinds of weather, and everything is fine. No signs of rust or rot anywhere. Maybe just the fact that I drive it more often keeps the water from sitting in there long enough to do damage. Leaving a car sitting (esp. in this kind of weather) is probably bad for just about any muffler. Just throwing out an alternative experience. Your results may vary. John Quoting Tom Rightler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Flowmaster kit was easy to install on my 70, however, after 6 years and less than 20K miles, the mufflers blew out on the bottom from moisture collecting and now they need to be replaced. The pipes themselves are not in that great of shape either and this is on a car that doesn't go out in the rain. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM
Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit?
-- Original message -- From: Matthew Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] You mentioned that you had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs. What type of tool is used to expand the pipes inexpensively at home? I have a pipe expander/shaper that is basically a bunch of cast iron segments arranged in a circle and held in place by a couple of heavy rubber o-rings. A screw-driven wedge is in the middle of the circle and as the screw is tightened the wedge moves down and forces the segments to expand outward against the ID of the pipe. It works OK for reshaping and slight expansion but that's about it. Exhaust shops probably have some kind of hydraulic expander that can apply much greater force to the pipe. Brad
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Thanks Brad. I'll look for something like that. I've seen the hydraulic ones the shops have, but never seen a hand tool that would work. At 08:47 AM 1/7/2008, you wrote: -- Original message -- From: Matthew Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] You mentioned that you had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs. What type of tool is used to expand the pipes inexpensively at home? I have a pipe expander/shaper that is basically a bunch of cast iron segments arranged in a circle and held in place by a couple of heavy rubber o-rings. A screw-driven wedge is in the middle of the circle and as the screw is tightened the wedge moves down and forces the segments to expand outward against the ID of the pipe. It works OK for reshaping and slight expansion but that's about it. Exhaust shops probably have some kind of hydraulic expander that can apply much greater force to the pipe. Brad
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Check http://www.lislecorp.com/tool_search_results.cfm?Search=tailpipe - if link doesn't work, go to http://www.lislecorp.com/tool_index.cfm and search for 'tailpipe'. Dale McIntosh ChevelleCD.com ChevelleStuff.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:chevelle-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Post Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:03 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? Thanks Brad. I'll look for something like that. I've seen the hydraulic ones the shops have, but never seen a hand tool that would work. _ avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 080106-0, 01/06/2008 Tested on: 1/7/2008 11:55:33 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software.
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Mine is the 32500/32750 style, and most likely a Lisle. Brad -- Original message -- From: Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check http://www.lislecorp.com/tool_search_results.cfm?Search=tailpipe - if link doesn't work, go to http://www.lislecorp.com/tool_index.cfm and search for 'tailpipe'. Dale McIntosh ChevelleCD.com ChevelleStuff.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:chevelle-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Post Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:03 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? Thanks Brad. I'll look for something like that. I've seen the hydraulic ones the shops have, but never seen a hand tool that would work.
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Thanks Dale/Brad! At 10:18 AM 1/7/2008, Brad Olson wrote: Mine is the 32500/32750 style, and most likely a Lisle. Brad -- Original message -- From: Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check http://www.lislecorp.com/tool_search_results.cfm?Search=tailpipe - if link doesn't work, go to http://www.lislecorp.com/tool_index.cfm and search for 'tailpipe'. Dale McIntosh ChevelleCD.com ChevelleStuff.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:chevelle-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Post Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:03 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? Thanks Brad. I'll look for something like that. I've seen the hydraulic ones the shops have, but never seen a hand tool that would work.
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I used a sawzall and a vice to cut the pipes that needed it. I have an expander that you can use with a 1 1/8th socket and an impact gun. It worked out well. Tom - Original Message - From: Matthew Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net; The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? Tom, You mentioned that you had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs. What type of tool is used to expand the pipes inexpensively at home? Thanks, Matt At 08:50 PM 1/6/2008, Tom Rightler wrote: Jim, The Flowmaster or Pypes systems really aren't all that hard to install in your garage. I've done several exhaust systems in a day taking my time and making sure everything fits as it should. I put a system on a 72 Monte Carlo with stock manifolds that consisted of a set of down pipes (from Pypes) that made up the length difference from the stock manifold to where a typical header would dump out at, then finished it off with one of those cheap Summit Racing systems. It went OK at best, the generic Summit kit was not my choice, but the owner of the car wanting to get it done cheaply. I put the Flowmaster American Thunder system with the 40 series mufflers on my 70 back in 2000. It does fit the car nice, no complaints there, just the mufflers rotted out on the bottom and blew the baffles loose so I need to replace them. That was a system off a set of Dynomax Headers. I put the Pypes 2.5 X Crossover system on the Charger. It was one of the best fitting systems I've ever put on a car...seriously. The only problem I ran into with it are where the Hooker Super Comp headers dumped out under the body. They didn't line up with the humps in the trans crossmember so I had to be a little creative there and use a mandrel bent pipe to complete the system. I used their Race Flo Mufflers that came with the system. Overall, the mufflers sound OK at best, and the car doesn't have that MOPAR sound like it should. I'm considering changing the mufflers out. On my 86 Cutlass that I put a 350 in and full length headers, I used a Dynomax dual system designed for G body cars with small block chevy engines. The system fit OK. I don't like how they get around the fact that G body trans crossmembers don't have 2 humps in them for dual exhaust. They bend the pipe around and then try to tuck up back up. That system has been on that car since 2001 and it's rotting and falling apart, probably in part to the fact I was driving the car thourgh those wonderful NJ winters for a couple years until I got the truck. I would imagine the system they have for 68-72 A body GM would be a tad better in quality. All of these systems can be installed in 1 day by yourself and as long as you have certain tools like a pipe cutter or sawzall and some wrenches. I've had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs I listed above. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor - Original Message - From: J. Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? That's one thing about my current system that's probably working out as a good thing- since it's not sealed real well right now, all the moisture drains out on the floor in my garage!! 8^] I appreciate everyone' input on this, thanks so much. I saw the Pypes setup in either my Jegs or Summit catalog, and knew nada about their stuff, so it's good to hear some feedback on it. And I guess you guys are concluding from me talking about an exhaust swap, that I decided NOT to trade the car 8^] The exhaust thing has been the biggest thing bumming me out about the vehicle, so if I can get that resolved I think I'll be in a much better place. Regards, Jim --- John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, I've had Flowmasters on my 69 El Camino for about 4 years, and it is a driver that I park on the street and drive in all kinds of weather, and everything is fine. No signs of rust or rot anywhere. Maybe just the fact that I drive it more often keeps the water from sitting in there long enough to do damage. Leaving a car sitting (esp. in this kind of weather) is probably bad for just about any muffler. Just throwing out an alternative experience. Your results may vary. John Quoting Tom Rightler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Flowmaster kit was easy to install on my 70, however, after 6 years and less than 20K miles, the mufflers blew out on the bottom from moisture collecting and now they need to be replaced. The pipes themselves are not in that great of shape either and this is on a car that doesn't go out in the rain. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo
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One of those air powered cutoff wheels works well too. That's what I used on mine. A friend made the down-pipes for me (b/c I have stock x-mans) and expanded the ends of them to fit into the 2.5 Flowmaster pipes. My brother also gave me some sleeves that you can put between the smaller and the bigger pipe but I didn't need to use them. I still have them (in my kitchen where auto parts belong). Quoting Tom Rightler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I used a sawzall and a vice to cut the pipes that needed it. I have an expander that you can use with a 1 1/8th socket and an impact gun. It worked out well. Tom - Original Message - From: Matthew Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net; The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? Tom, You mentioned that you had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs. What type of tool is used to expand the pipes inexpensively at home? Thanks, Matt At 08:50 PM 1/6/2008, Tom Rightler wrote: Jim, The Flowmaster or Pypes systems really aren't all that hard to install in your garage. I've done several exhaust systems in a day taking my time and making sure everything fits as it should. I put a system on a 72 Monte Carlo with stock manifolds that consisted of a set of down pipes (from Pypes) that made up the length difference from the stock manifold to where a typical header would dump out at, then finished it off with one of those cheap Summit Racing systems. It went OK at best, the generic Summit kit was not my choice, but the owner of the car wanting to get it done cheaply. I put the Flowmaster American Thunder system with the 40 series mufflers on my 70 back in 2000. It does fit the car nice, no complaints there, just the mufflers rotted out on the bottom and blew the baffles loose so I need to replace them. That was a system off a set of Dynomax Headers. I put the Pypes 2.5 X Crossover system on the Charger. It was one of the best fitting systems I've ever put on a car...seriously. The only problem I ran into with it are where the Hooker Super Comp headers dumped out under the body. They didn't line up with the humps in the trans crossmember so I had to be a little creative there and use a mandrel bent pipe to complete the system. I used their Race Flo Mufflers that came with the system. Overall, the mufflers sound OK at best, and the car doesn't have that MOPAR sound like it should. I'm considering changing the mufflers out. On my 86 Cutlass that I put a 350 in and full length headers, I used a Dynomax dual system designed for G body cars with small block chevy engines. The system fit OK. I don't like how they get around the fact that G body trans crossmembers don't have 2 humps in them for dual exhaust. They bend the pipe around and then try to tuck up back up. That system has been on that car since 2001 and it's rotting and falling apart, probably in part to the fact I was driving the car thourgh those wonderful NJ winters for a couple years until I got the truck. I would imagine the system they have for 68-72 A body GM would be a tad better in quality. All of these systems can be installed in 1 day by yourself and as long as you have certain tools like a pipe cutter or sawzall and some wrenches. I've had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs I listed above. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor - Original Message - From: J. Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? That's one thing about my current system that's probably working out as a good thing- since it's not sealed real well right now, all the moisture drains out on the floor in my garage!! 8^] I appreciate everyone' input on this, thanks so much. I saw the Pypes setup in either my Jegs or Summit catalog, and knew nada about their stuff, so it's good to hear some feedback on it. And I guess you guys are concluding from me talking about an exhaust swap, that I decided NOT to trade the car 8^] The exhaust thing has been the biggest thing bumming me out about the vehicle, so if I can get that resolved I think I'll be in a much better place. Regards, Jim --- John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, I've had Flowmasters on my 69 El Camino for about 4 years, and it is a driver that I park on the street and drive in all kinds of weather, and everything is fine. No signs of rust or rot anywhere. Maybe just the fact that I drive it more often keeps the water from sitting in there long enough to do damage. Leaving a car sitting (esp. in this kind of weather) is probably bad for just about any muffler. Just throwing out an alternative experience. Your results may
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The Flowmaster kits provide everything you need from the collector back and you can install it yourself in an hour or two. HTH, John Nasta Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi JIm, What state/city are you in? my friend has his own muffler shop and would do a great job at a great price for you!! Harlan In a message dated 1/4/2008 9:13:42 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: headers on the 327, and am wondering what header-back systems the folks here would recommend, if any. Thanks, Jim '66 Malibu ** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
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I have the Flowmaster American Thunder kit on my 66...Was easy to install...has no leaks...I am happy with it.. John
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The Flowmaster kit was easy to install on my 70, however, after 6 years and less than 20K miles, the mufflers blew out on the bottom from moisture collecting and now they need to be replaced. The pipes themselves are not in that great of shape either and this is on a car that doesn't go out in the rain. I will say that Pypes has a nice system with the X pipe setup and you can get it in stainless steel which is a huge bonus in my book. I'm probably going to end up replacing the Flowmaster system on my 70 with their X pipe. The only thing is, I personally don't really care for the sound of the Pypes mufflers so I'll substitute them with something else. I did put the Pypes X-system on my 69 Charger and it is one of the best fitting systems I've ever put on a car Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor
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OTOH, I've had Flowmasters on my 69 El Camino for about 4 years, and it is a driver that I park on the street and drive in all kinds of weather, and everything is fine. No signs of rust or rot anywhere. Maybe just the fact that I drive it more often keeps the water from sitting in there long enough to do damage. Leaving a car sitting (esp. in this kind of weather) is probably bad for just about any muffler. Just throwing out an alternative experience. Your results may vary. John Quoting Tom Rightler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Flowmaster kit was easy to install on my 70, however, after 6 years and less than 20K miles, the mufflers blew out on the bottom from moisture collecting and now they need to be replaced. The pipes themselves are not in that great of shape either and this is on a car that doesn't go out in the rain.
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At 09:16 AM 1/6/2008, you wrote: OTOH, I've had Flowmasters on my 69 El Camino for about 4 years, and it is a driver that I park on the street and drive in all kinds of weather, and everything is fine. No signs of rust or rot anywhere. Maybe just the fact that I drive it more often keeps the water from sitting in there long enough to do damage. Leaving a car sitting (esp. in this kind of weather) is probably bad for just about any muffler. Just throwing out an alternative experience. Your results may vary. John That's it I have had my 40's last 9 years on my 66 Elky, but it's a daily driver. Just had to replace them last year.
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I'm in Elkton MD and would love that! Jim '66 Malibu --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi JIm, What state/city are you in? my friend has his own muffler shop and would do a great job at a great price for you!! Harlan In a message dated 1/4/2008 9:13:42 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: headers on the 327, and am wondering what header-back systems the folks here would recommend, if any. Thanks, Jim '66 Malibu ** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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That's one thing about my current system that's probably working out as a good thing- since it's not sealed real well right now, all the moisture drains out on the floor in my garage!! 8^] I appreciate everyone' input on this, thanks so much. I saw the Pypes setup in either my Jegs or Summit catalog, and knew nada about their stuff, so it's good to hear some feedback on it. And I guess you guys are concluding from me talking about an exhaust swap, that I decided NOT to trade the car 8^] The exhaust thing has been the biggest thing bumming me out about the vehicle, so if I can get that resolved I think I'll be in a much better place. Regards, Jim --- John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, I've had Flowmasters on my 69 El Camino for about 4 years, and it is a driver that I park on the street and drive in all kinds of weather, and everything is fine. No signs of rust or rot anywhere. Maybe just the fact that I drive it more often keeps the water from sitting in there long enough to do damage. Leaving a car sitting (esp. in this kind of weather) is probably bad for just about any muffler. Just throwing out an alternative experience. Your results may vary. John Quoting Tom Rightler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Flowmaster kit was easy to install on my 70, however, after 6 years and less than 20K miles, the mufflers blew out on the bottom from moisture collecting and now they need to be replaced. The pipes themselves are not in that great of shape either and this is on a car that doesn't go out in the rain. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
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Stories such as yours really drive the point home, IMO, that spending a ton of money on exhaust is a waste of time, unless you have a show car that doesn't actually see any road time.I see people spending $1000 or more on exhaust and that's just insane. There are so many places where that money could be spent more wisely. Karl Groves AIM/YIM: karlcore Skype: eight.pistons www.WebAccessStrategies.com 25,000+ Antique and Classic Cars For Sale: www.thehotrodclassifieds.com New listings added literally every minute! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Rightler Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:00 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? The Flowmaster kit was easy to install on my 70, however, after 6 years and less than 20K miles, the mufflers blew out on the bottom from moisture collecting and now they need to be replaced. The pipes themselves are not in that great of shape either and this is on a car that doesn't go out in the rain. I will say that Pypes has a nice system with the X pipe setup and you can get it in stainless steel which is a huge bonus in my book. I'm probably going to end up replacing the Flowmaster system on my 70 with their X pipe. The only thing is, I personally don't really care for the sound of the Pypes mufflers so I'll substitute them with something else. I did put the Pypes X-system on my 69 Charger and it is one of the best fitting systems I've ever put on a car Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor
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THAT was bumming you out enough to want to sell it? You should try driving a car through three northeast winters with no heat and a leaking transmission! BTW I'm planning on finally getting around to that rear tranny seal tomorrow. I have a friend who has an empty garage that I can use and the weather is supposed to be pretty nice. I've been milking this thing by just adding fluid for almost 4 years now and it still hasn't fixed itself. Quoting J. Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The exhaust thing has been the biggest thing bumming me out about the vehicle, so if I can get that resolved I think I'll be in a much better place. Regards, Jim
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Actually, it seems to me like it's the cars that don't see a lot of road time and go through cold winters that have more exhaust problems. Also, a Flowmaster kit is really not expensive considering that for a few hundred bucks it is a fairly complete kit that you can install yourself. JMO Quoting Karl Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Stories such as yours really drive the point home, IMO, that spending a ton of money on exhaust is a waste of time, unless you have a show car that doesn't actually see any road time.I see people spending $1000 or more on exhaust and that's just insane. There are so many places where that money could be spent more wisely. Karl Groves AIM/YIM: karlcore Skype: eight.pistons www.WebAccessStrategies.com 25,000+ Antique and Classic Cars For Sale: www.thehotrodclassifieds.com New listings added literally every minute! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Rightler Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:00 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? The Flowmaster kit was easy to install on my 70, however, after 6 years and less than 20K miles, the mufflers blew out on the bottom from moisture collecting and now they need to be replaced. The pipes themselves are not in that great of shape either and this is on a car that doesn't go out in the rain. I will say that Pypes has a nice system with the X pipe setup and you can get it in stainless steel which is a huge bonus in my book. I'm probably going to end up replacing the Flowmaster system on my 70 with their X pipe. The only thing is, I personally don't really care for the sound of the Pypes mufflers so I'll substitute them with something else. I did put the Pypes X-system on my 69 Charger and it is one of the best fitting systems I've ever put on a car Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor
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Last time I had an exhaust installed, it was full headers-back 2 1/2 exhaust with Dynomax mufflers, welded (no clamps) for $300. That's cheaper than a Flowmaster kit *and* installed. Karl Groves AIM/YIM: karlcore Skype: eight.pistons www.WebAccessStrategies.com 25,000+ Antique and Classic Cars For Sale: www.thehotrodclassifieds.com New listings added literally every minute! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:chevelle-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Nasta Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:57 AM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? Actually, it seems to me like it's the cars that don't see a lot of road time and go through cold winters that have more exhaust problems. Also, a Flowmaster kit is really not expensive considering that for a few hundred bucks it is a fairly complete kit that you can install yourself. JMO Quoting Karl Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Stories such as yours really drive the point home, IMO, that spending a ton of money on exhaust is a waste of time, unless you have a show car that doesn't actually see any road time.I see people spending $1000 or more on exhaust and that's just insane. There are so many places where that money could be spent more wisely. Karl Groves AIM/YIM: karlcore Skype: eight.pistons www.WebAccessStrategies.com 25,000+ Antique and Classic Cars For Sale: www.thehotrodclassifieds.com New listings added literally every minute! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Rightler Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:00 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? The Flowmaster kit was easy to install on my 70, however, after 6 years and less than 20K miles, the mufflers blew out on the bottom from moisture collecting and now they need to be replaced. The pipes themselves are not in that great of shape either and this is on a car that doesn't go out in the rain. I will say that Pypes has a nice system with the X pipe setup and you can get it in stainless steel which is a huge bonus in my book. I'm probably going to end up replacing the Flowmaster system on my 70 with their X pipe. The only thing is, I personally don't really care for the sound of the Pypes mufflers so I'll substitute them with something else. I did put the Pypes X-system on my 69 Charger and it is one of the best fitting systems I've ever put on a car Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor
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How much does that same Dynomax kit cost now and what was the labor rate when you did that? Quoting Karl Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Last time I had an exhaust installed, it was full headers-back 2 1/2 exhaust with Dynomax mufflers, welded (no clamps) for $300. That's cheaper than a Flowmaster kit *and* installed. Karl Groves AIM/YIM: karlcore Skype: eight.pistons www.WebAccessStrategies.com 25,000+ Antique and Classic Cars For Sale: www.thehotrodclassifieds.com New listings added literally every minute!
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It wasn't a kit. This was a completely custom job. I have no idea how much of that was parts and how much was labor, because it was a few years ago. Karl Groves AIM/YIM: karlcore Skype: eight.pistons www.WebAccessStrategies.com 25,000+ Antique and Classic Cars For Sale: www.thehotrodclassifieds.com New listings added literally every minute! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:chevelle-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Nasta Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:29 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? How much does that same Dynomax kit cost now and what was the labor rate when you did that? Quoting Karl Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Last time I had an exhaust installed, it was full headers-back 2 1/2 exhaust with Dynomax mufflers, welded (no clamps) for $300. That's cheaper than a Flowmaster kit *and* installed. Karl Groves AIM/YIM: karlcore Skype: eight.pistons www.WebAccessStrategies.com 25,000+ Antique and Classic Cars For Sale: www.thehotrodclassifieds.com New listings added literally every minute!
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Well, if you want to compare apples to apples in today dollars, Summit has the Dynomax Thrush header-back kit with H-pipe for about $270, and in my area you can't find a shop that charges less than $75/hr labor. So, unless you could find those mufflers for less than $75/each and don't care about the crossover pipe or mandrel bending, and/or have a friend giving you a break on the labor, the average person would most likely have to spend more money to do it your way. BTW the Dynomax Super Turbo mufflers are $149 each at Summit. Quoting Karl Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It wasn't a kit. This was a completely custom job. I have no idea how much of that was parts and how much was labor, because it was a few years ago. Karl Groves AIM/YIM: karlcore Skype: eight.pistons www.WebAccessStrategies.com 25,000+ Antique and Classic Cars For Sale: www.thehotrodclassifieds.com New listings added literally every minute! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:chevelle-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Nasta Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:29 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? How much does that same Dynomax kit cost now and what was the labor rate when you did that? Quoting Karl Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Last time I had an exhaust installed, it was full headers-back 2 1/2 exhaust with Dynomax mufflers, welded (no clamps) for $300. That's cheaper than a Flowmaster kit *and* installed. Karl Groves AIM/YIM: karlcore Skype: eight.pistons www.WebAccessStrategies.com 25,000+ Antique and Classic Cars For Sale: www.thehotrodclassifieds.com New listings added literally every minute!
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If it's for a show car, that's what you're going to spend on a good exhaust system. Gardner Exhaust is the one that comes to mind. Their systems start at $850 and go up from there. THe nice thing about their stuff is, you buy it once, install it once, and you're done. Well worth the $$ in my opinion if you want something that is GARUNTEED to fit perfect. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor - Original Message - From: Karl Groves To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? Stories such as yours really drive the point home, IMO, that spending a ton of money on exhaust is a waste of time, unless you have a show car that doesn't actually see any road time.I see people spending $1000 or more on exhaust and that's just insane. There are so many places where that money could be spent more wisely. Karl Groves AIM/YIM: karlcore Skype: eight.pistons www.WebAccessStrategies.com 25,000+ Antique and Classic Cars For Sale: www.thehotrodclassifieds.com New listings added literally every minute!
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I am in Maryland as well. If he is local, let me know.Godspeed, Dan SolomonIt is a mistake to allow any mechanical object to realize you are in a hurry.http://www.freewebs.com/chevelles1970/ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 07:32:21 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? I'm in Elkton MD and would love that! Jim '66 Malibu --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi JIm, What state/city are you in? my friend has his own muffler shop and would do a great job at a great price for you!!Harlan In a message dated 1/4/2008 9:13:42 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: headers on the 327, and am wondering what header-back systems the folks here would recommend, if any. Thanks, Jim '66 Malibu ** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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aww, sorry i am in MN - In a message dated 1/6/2008 7:36:54 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am in Maryland as well. If he is local, let me know. Godspeed, Dan Solomon It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object to realize you are in a hurry. http://www.freewebs.com/chevelles1970/ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 07:32:21 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? I'm in Elkton MD and would love that! Jim '66 Malibu --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi JIm, What state/city are you in? my friend has his own muffler shop and would do a great job at a great price for you!! ** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
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Dan Jim in MD, You may be able to get one of the members of the MCC club to install it for you. Maybe one of their members would be interested in the side work. Great club. If you are not already a member, you may want to consider joining. I'd imagine Tom Rightler or Donnie Gates from this list could get the membership info to you. John Nasta Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: aww, sorry i am in MN - In a message dated 1/6/2008 7:36:54 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am in Maryland as well. If he is local, let me know.
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Jim, The Flowmaster or Pypes systems really aren't all that hard to install in your garage. I've done several exhaust systems in a day taking my time and making sure everything fits as it should. I put a system on a 72 Monte Carlo with stock manifolds that consisted of a set of down pipes (from Pypes) that made up the length difference from the stock manifold to where a typical header would dump out at, then finished it off with one of those cheap Summit Racing systems. It went OK at best, the generic Summit kit was not my choice, but the owner of the car wanting to get it done cheaply. I put the Flowmaster American Thunder system with the 40 series mufflers on my 70 back in 2000. It does fit the car nice, no complaints there, just the mufflers rotted out on the bottom and blew the baffles loose so I need to replace them. That was a system off a set of Dynomax Headers. I put the Pypes 2.5 X Crossover system on the Charger. It was one of the best fitting systems I've ever put on a car...seriously. The only problem I ran into with it are where the Hooker Super Comp headers dumped out under the body. They didn't line up with the humps in the trans crossmember so I had to be a little creative there and use a mandrel bent pipe to complete the system. I used their Race Flo Mufflers that came with the system. Overall, the mufflers sound OK at best, and the car doesn't have that MOPAR sound like it should. I'm considering changing the mufflers out. On my 86 Cutlass that I put a 350 in and full length headers, I used a Dynomax dual system designed for G body cars with small block chevy engines. The system fit OK. I don't like how they get around the fact that G body trans crossmembers don't have 2 humps in them for dual exhaust. They bend the pipe around and then try to tuck up back up. That system has been on that car since 2001 and it's rotting and falling apart, probably in part to the fact I was driving the car thourgh those wonderful NJ winters for a couple years until I got the truck. I would imagine the system they have for 68-72 A body GM would be a tad better in quality. All of these systems can be installed in 1 day by yourself and as long as you have certain tools like a pipe cutter or sawzall and some wrenches. I've had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs I listed above. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor - Original Message - From: J. Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? That's one thing about my current system that's probably working out as a good thing- since it's not sealed real well right now, all the moisture drains out on the floor in my garage!! 8^] I appreciate everyone' input on this, thanks so much. I saw the Pypes setup in either my Jegs or Summit catalog, and knew nada about their stuff, so it's good to hear some feedback on it. And I guess you guys are concluding from me talking about an exhaust swap, that I decided NOT to trade the car 8^] The exhaust thing has been the biggest thing bumming me out about the vehicle, so if I can get that resolved I think I'll be in a much better place. Regards, Jim --- John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, I've had Flowmasters on my 69 El Camino for about 4 years, and it is a driver that I park on the street and drive in all kinds of weather, and everything is fine. No signs of rust or rot anywhere. Maybe just the fact that I drive it more often keeps the water from sitting in there long enough to do damage. Leaving a car sitting (esp. in this kind of weather) is probably bad for just about any muffler. Just throwing out an alternative experience. Your results may vary. John Quoting Tom Rightler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Flowmaster kit was easy to install on my 70, however, after 6 years and less than 20K miles, the mufflers blew out on the bottom from moisture collecting and now they need to be replaced. The pipes themselves are not in that great of shape either and this is on a car that doesn't go out in the rain. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1211 - Release Date: 1/6/2008 11:57 AM
Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit?
Hi JIm, What state/city are you in? my friend has his own muffler shop and would do a great job at a great price for you!! Harlan In a message dated 1/4/2008 9:13:42 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: headers on the 327, and am wondering what header-back systems the folks here would recommend, if any. Thanks, Jim '66 Malibu ** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
