Re: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ?
BL, Are you using synthetic or petroleum based power steering fluid ? Talked with a shop today that makes up hydraulic hoses, and mentioned my problem. He said it was because the synthetic fluid is dissolving the rubber, and that in order to use synthetic fluid, you have to use a special lined hose (?). Seems like there should be a warning on the container if that were the case. Kent '68 Malibu ZZ502/502 :) ACES #5102 - Original Message - From: Bill Lessenberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ? At 09:59 AM 12/14/2004, you wrote: On my '68 BB which has the remote reservoir for the power steering fluid (mounted on the radiator support) - there is a hose which connects the reservoir to the pump mounted on the engine. The fluid appears to be bleeding/weeping through the pores in the rubber. It was a brand new GM hose part #01485552 gr. 8.846 . The hose has been installed maybe 8 months (?), but has been slowly bleeding the last 2 months or so. I wiped the hose off about a week ago, and now there is enough fluid seeping through to cause it to drip a small puddle on the inner fender well. The fluid I used is made by REDLINE, it is a synthetic power steering fluid. Has anyone seen anything like this before ? I have :-) I've been through three hoses in two years. The last one I got from Ground Up in January it's still not leaking. The one I got from OPG and one from Auto Zoo started oozing within two months. BL
Re: Re: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ?
By the way, When I say hydraulic grade, I mean one that is designed for hydraulic fluid under pressure. The hose should appear to be a rubber type hose, but it will have layers of braided metal wire within the rubber to give it strength. This is also what makes it stiff. It also may require a cutoff saw or hacksaw to cut it to length. Aaron From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/12/14 Tue PM 09:46:38 GMT To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ? Yes, I've seen it and struggled with it just like yourself and the others who have responded. I've also found a remedy and have been living without the 'bleeding' or 'seeping' for 3-4 years now. My particular setup is on my 67 SS 396 and I added the remote reservoir setup when I added power steering to retain the correct factory look for the 'early' Chevelles. I think they made the switch to the block/pump mounted style in 68 or 69. Anyway, back to the problem and the solution. Most places just want to sell you an inferior heater hose grade hose - especially when they hear you say it isn't under pressure and just for a 'gravity feed' type reservior. The problem is that this type of hose isn't designed for p/s fluid and it 'seeps' or 'sweats' the fluid rather quickly. I use the Valvoline SynPower Synthetic fluid but I assume any p/s fluid will do it. After several attempts asking the people at the parts counter and trying different types of 'heater hoses,' I finally got someone who knew a thing or two and was willing to help me find a hose that doesn't sweat. You need to ask for a hydraulic grade hose. You'll need to know your ID, length, etc. so they can find something that will work. I found mine at O'Reilly Auto Parts. Get plenty of length as it is bound to be stiff and can be cumbersome to get it routed correctly, especially with that J-bend you mentioned. I just used a couple of stainless hose clamps on the ends - the hose should have a pretty hard exterior (when compared to a heater or radiator hose) so the clamps won't compress it like you may be used to. Hydraulic hose of this size can also be relatively expensive if you're used to buying fuel or vacuum hose. Regardless, it will solve your problem and you won't have to worry or clean up after it anymore. Aaron Weaver 67 SS 396 Atchison, KS From: Kent Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/12/14 Tue PM 03:59:45 GMT To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ? On my '68 BB which has the remote reservoir for the power steering fluid (mounted on the radiator support) - there is a hose which connects the reservoir to the pump mounted on the engine. The fluid appears to be bleeding/weeping through the pores in the rubber. It was a brand new GM hose part #01485552 gr. 8.846 . The hose has been installed maybe 8 months (?), but has been slowly bleeding the last 2 months or so. I wiped the hose off about a week ago, and now there is enough fluid seeping through to cause it to drip a small puddle on the inner fender well. The fluid I used is made by REDLINE, it is a synthetic power steering fluid. Has anyone seen anything like this before ? Kent '68 Malibu ZZ502/502 :) ACES #5102
Re: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ?
Yes, I've seen it and struggled with it just like yourself and the others who have responded. I've also found a remedy and have been living without the 'bleeding' or 'seeping' for 3-4 years now. My particular setup is on my 67 SS 396 and I added the remote reservoir setup when I added power steering to retain the correct factory look for the 'early' Chevelles. I think they made the switch to the block/pump mounted style in 68 or 69. Anyway, back to the problem and the solution. Most places just want to sell you an inferior heater hose grade hose - especially when they hear you say it isn't under pressure and just for a 'gravity feed' type reservior. The problem is that this type of hose isn't designed for p/s fluid and it 'seeps' or 'sweats' the fluid rather quickly. I use the Valvoline SynPower Synthetic fluid but I assume any p/s fluid will do it. After several attempts asking the people at the parts counter and trying different types of 'heater hoses,' I finally got someone who knew a thing or two and was willing to help me find a hose that doesn't sweat. You need to ask for a hydraulic grade hose. You'll need to know your ID, length, etc. so they can find something that will work. I found mine at O'Reilly Auto Parts. Get plenty of length as it is bound to be stiff and can be cumbersome to get it routed correctly, especially with that J-bend you mentioned. I just used a couple of stainless hose clamps on the ends - the hose should have a pretty hard exterior (when compared to a heater or radiator hose) so the clamps won't compress it like you may be used to. Hydraulic hose of this size can also be relatively expensive if you're used to buying fuel or vacuum hose. Regardless, it will solve your problem and you won't have to worry or clean up after it anymore. Aaron Weaver 67 SS 396 Atchison, KS From: Kent Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/12/14 Tue PM 03:59:45 GMT To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ? On my '68 BB which has the remote reservoir for the power steering fluid (mounted on the radiator support) - there is a hose which connects the reservoir to the pump mounted on the engine. The fluid appears to be bleeding/weeping through the pores in the rubber. It was a brand new GM hose part #01485552 gr. 8.846 . The hose has been installed maybe 8 months (?), but has been slowly bleeding the last 2 months or so. I wiped the hose off about a week ago, and now there is enough fluid seeping through to cause it to drip a small puddle on the inner fender well. The fluid I used is made by REDLINE, it is a synthetic power steering fluid. Has anyone seen anything like this before ? Kent '68 Malibu ZZ502/502 :) ACES #5102
Re: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ?
Sorry but that's pure nonsense,Kent. I've run Redline products in my ZR-1's for years and never had any problems. Their stuff is absolutely top of the line. Clint Hooper HH Custom,owner A.C.E.S. #1650 1969 El Camino Protourer http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Kent Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] BL, Are you using synthetic or petroleum based power steering fluid ? Talked with a shop today that makes up hydraulic hoses, and mentioned my problem. He said it was because the synthetic fluid is dissolving the rubber, and that in order to use synthetic fluid, you have to use a special lined hose (?). Seems like there should be a warning on the container if that were the case. Kent '68 Malibu ZZ502/502 :) ACES #5102
Re: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ?
Several have been right on the money regarding tractor supply houses having the ability to build hoses. Back in high school I worked at a farm supply. We built hoses all day long. If they repair tractors and implements they will be able to help you out. Walt http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm - Original Message - From: Donald Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:05 pm Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ? Any agricultural implement dealer should be able to help you. Tell them you need this size and length of hose in low pressure hydraulic. Low pressure hyrdaulic is single braid and bends fairly well. Works great as a return hose and will not weep and you will be able to just clamp on each end.
Re: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ?
Thanks Walt. Would rather keep the original style hose. Still trying to figure out if the synthetic is what is causing the problem. Kent '68 Malibu ZZ502/502 :) ACES #5102 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ? Several have been right on the money regarding tractor supply houses having the ability to build hoses. Back in high school I worked at a farm supply. We built hoses all day long. If they repair tractors and implements they will be able to help you out. Walt http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm - Original Message - From: Donald Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:05 pm Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ? Any agricultural implement dealer should be able to help you. Tell them you need this size and length of hose in low pressure hydraulic. Low pressure hyrdaulic is single braid and bends fairly well. Works great as a return hose and will not weep and you will be able to just clamp on each end.
Re: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ?
At 06:34 PM 12/14/2004, you wrote: BL, Are you using synthetic or petroleum based power steering fluid ? Talked with a shop today that makes up hydraulic hoses, and mentioned my problem. He said it was because the synthetic fluid is dissolving the rubber, and that in order to use synthetic fluid, you have to use a special lined hose (?). Seems like there should be a warning on the container if that were the case. Kent '68 Malibu ZZ502/502 :) ACES #5102 Regular ol' P/S fluid from NAPA. I believe in synthetics for motors, trannys, and rear ends, but I don't see any advantage to them in a recirculating ball type steering system. It may help in a rack pinion. BL
Re: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ?
At 09:59 AM 12/14/2004, you wrote: On my '68 BB which has the remote reservoir for the power steering fluid (mounted on the radiator support) - there is a hose which connects the reservoir to the pump mounted on the engine. The fluid appears to be bleeding/weeping through the pores in the rubber. It was a brand new GM hose part #01485552 gr. 8.846 . The hose has been installed maybe 8 months (?), but has been slowly bleeding the last 2 months or so. I wiped the hose off about a week ago, and now there is enough fluid seeping through to cause it to drip a small puddle on the inner fender well. The fluid I used is made by REDLINE, it is a synthetic power steering fluid. Has anyone seen anything like this before ? I have :-) I've been through three hoses in two years. The last one I got from Ground Up in January it's still not leaking. The one I got from OPG and one from Auto Zoo started oozing within two months. BL
RE: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ?
There are lots of places that repair hydraulic hoses. Find a place that does repairs on tractors or just look in your local yellow pages under hydraulics. You can usually have the hose rebuilt for very little money. They re-use your ends and crimp them onto a new hose. There's a special machine for the crimping. Some auto parts stores also have the machine, but it's fewer and fewer these days. John Nasta
RE: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ?
At 02:45 PM 12/14/2004, you wrote: There are lots of places that repair hydraulic hoses. Find a place that does repairs on tractors or just look in your local yellow pages under hydraulics. You can usually have the hose rebuilt for very little money. They re-use your ends and crimp them onto a new hose. There's a special machine for the crimping. Some auto parts stores also have the machine, but it's fewer and fewer these days. John Nasta John, this isn't the pressure hose, it's the supply hose from the reservoir to the pump, and it needs to have a J bend in it. It's not under any pressure, the fluid just lays in the hose and will eventually seep through it. BL
Re: [Chevelle-list] ps hose bleeding through... ?
Any agricultural implement dealer should be able to help you. Tell them you need this size and length of hose in low pressure hydraulic. Low pressure hyrdaulic is single braid and bends fairly well. Works great as a return hose and will not weep and you will be able to just clamp on each end.
