[ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill Conference March 23/24, 2018

[PatFinn1940]

*Oh, how I WISH I could attend.Suffice it to say, I look forward to hearing 
how the Conference goes.All the stuff here sounds so good.*
On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 1:29:28 AM UTC-5, John Mather wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> So you are still considering coming to the Churchill Society of 
> Tennessee's Conference March 23 and 24. "Mine Eyes have seen the Glory", 
>  in Nashville and Franklin TN.  www.churchillsocietyTN.org 
>  has all of the information to sign 
> up for thi meeting and register at the headquarters Hyatt hotel.  The Early 
> Bird Registration has been extended to January 31st.  See attached recent 
> Press Release.
>
> Meanwhile you might be contemplating a longer stay that could include a 
> number of places in Nashville and its environs including Franklin where 
> there will be arrangements for walking tours on the Saturday.  Here is a 
> modest list of what you could do while here in Nashville and its environs. 
>  It is not an exhaustive list but is intended to give you an idea of the 
> richness of delightful places you might care to visit.
>
> So come and join us at this Conference sponsored by the Churchill Society 
> of Tennessee (CSOT).
>
> John H. Mather MD FACPE
> President, CSOT
>
> *Nashville Scene and Environs (Franklin)*
>
> *Sites to Visit (With an Entrance Fee)*
>
> *Downtown*
>
> Johnny Cash Museum.  www.cashmuseum.com
>
> Country Music Hall of fame and Museum.  www.CountryMusicHallofFame.org 
> 
>
> Grand Ole Opry.  www.opry.com
>
> Frist Center for the Visual Arts.  www.fristcenter.org
>
> *Out of Downtown*
>
> Belmont Mansion.  www.belmontmansion.com
>
> Nashville Zoo at Grassmere.  www.nashvillezoo.org
>
> Willie Nelson & Friends Museum.  www.WillieNelsonMuseum.com 
> 
>
> Lane Motor Museum.  www.lanemuseum.org
>
> Cheekwood Mansion and Botanical Gardens.  www.cheekwood.org
>
> Franklin Segway Tours.  www.franklinsegwaytours.com
>
> Downtown Franklin Theatre.  www.DowntownFranklinTN.com 
> 
>
> Arrington Vineyards near Franklin.  www.Arringtonvineyards.com 
> 
>
> National Corvette Museum in Bowling Green.  www.corvettemuseum.org
>
> *Sites to Visit (Free)*
>
> *Downtown*
>
> Blend Bar with Davidoff.  www.blendbarcigar.com
>
> Tennessee State Museum.  www.tnmuseum.org
>
> National Parks and Parthenon.  www.nashville.gov/Parks-and 
> -Recreation/parthenon.aspx 
> 
>
> *Out of Downtown*
>
> Radnor Lake Aviary & State park.  www.Radnorelake.org 
> 
>
> The Hermitage.  www.thehermitage.com
>
> Antique Trail in Franklin [Antiques].  www.FranklinTNAntiqueTrail.com 
> 
>
> Landmark Booksellers in Franklin [Books].  www.landmarkbooksellers.com
>
> Gray’s on Main in Franklin [music].  www.graysonmain.com
>
> The Factory in Franklin [Artisan Shops].  www.factoryatfranklin.com
>
> H Clark Distillery near Franklin.  www.hclarkdistillery.com
>
> Timberlake Park near Franklin.  www.wcparksandrec.com
>
> The Loveless Café near Fairview.  www.lovelesscafe.com
>
> Sergeant Alvin C. York State Park.  www.tnstateparks.com
>
>
>

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill : Le Dictionnaire - published today

[PatFinn1940]

Dear Antoine:

Congratulations, and well done!

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 10:48:09 AM UTC-5, antcapet wrote:
>
> Dear All, 
>
> I am glad to announce that my Dictionary has appeared at last - this 
> Thursday. 
>
> Publisher's site : 
>
> http://www.editions-perrin.fr/livre/churchill/9782262065355 
>
> Amazon UK gives the first pages, notably with Randolph's Preface and the 
> detailed Table : 
>
>
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Churchill-dictionnaire-Antoine-Capet/dp/2262065357/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1515685139&sr=1-1&keywords=Churchill+%3A+Le+Dictionnaire#reader_B0785VMGN8
>  
>
> Apparently, it is not available on Amazon.com (USA) 
>
> With all best wishes for 2018, 
>
> Professor Antoine CAPET, FRHistS 
> British Studies 
> University of Rouen 
> 76821 Mont-Saint-Aignan 
> France 
> antoin...@univ-rouen.fr  
>
> 'Britain since 1914' Section Editor 
> Royal Historical Society Bibliography 
>
> == 
>
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Sponsored Conference March 2018 on Sir Winston Churchill

[PatFinn1940]

*Oh, how I WISH I could attend this event.   It sounds so wonderful.I hope 
it all goes smashingly well.Thanks for posting this.*
On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 12:03:41 AM UTC-5, John Mather wrote:
>
> *THE CHURCHILL SOCIETY OF TENNESSEE*
>
> [An Affiliate of the International Churchill Society.]
>
> Presents a Regional Conference on and about Sir Winston Churchill
>
> *“Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory.”*
>
> *March 23 and 24, 2018.  Venues:  Nashville and Franklin Tennessee.*
>
> Conference Themes:  Winston Churchill’s appreciation for all kinds of 
> music; classical, marches, bands hymns and songs of Harrow School and the 
> World Wars, *AND,* his fascination with the Civil War fought in many 
> cities, towns and regions of the United States of America.  Go to 
> www.churchillsocietytn.com
>
> Randolph Churchill, Sir Winston Churchill’s great grandson, President of 
> the International Churchill Society will be the honored guest and speaker 
> at the Saturday evening “Black tie” Banquet.  He will also be on the 
> stage at the Schermerhorn Symphony Hall at the start of the evening concert 
> of the Nashville Symphony Orchestra (NSO) reading two of Sir Winston 
> Churchill’s speeches to the accompaniment of a string quartet with music 
> composed by Don Cusic.  The NSO will then continue with its regular 
> program on the “Holocaust”.  Each registration includes one ticket to the 
> NSO on Friday night.
>
>  
>
> Registration for the Conference can be found at the CSOT-ICS website (In 
> DOLLARs) and I would encourage you to check our website immediately.
>
> Early Bird: By January15, 
> 2018  Full
>
> *BASIC (Dinner and Banquet are extras)*
>
> Basic Standard (one day)   150
>   
> 200
>
> Basic Standard (two days) 275 
>  
> 375
>
> Dinner and Banquet registration each of the tickets at an additional $75
>
> *PATRON (Dinner is extra)*
>
> (Includes Pre-Banquet reception with the faculty and Randolph Churchill at 
> the Banquet on Saturday night at the University Club)  Dinner 
> registration and ticket is an additional $75.  Banquet is included.
>
> 
> 500  600
>
> *VIP*
>
> (Includes the Pre-Dinner reception with the Randolph Churchill at the 
> dinner on Friday night at the Schermerhorn Symphony Center in the Conductor 
> Giancarlo Guerrero suite *and* the Pre-Banquet reception with the faculty 
> and Randolph Churchill at the Banquet on Saturday night at the University 
> Club.)  Dinner and Banquet tickets are included.
>
> 
> 650  750
>
>  
>
> Information on the Hotel [Hyatt Regency, Nashville TN] for registrants can 
> be found at the CSOT-ICS web site: www.churchillsocietytn.org
>
>  
>
> The full program of activities with an electronic registration form is now 
> available on the CSOT website www.churchillsocietytn.org
>
>  
>
> For other immediate additional information contact:
>
> John H. Mather MD FACPE, President, CSOT-ICS johnm...@aol.com 
> 
>

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill Film

[PatFinn1940]

*I didn't know this film was in theaters until last week, while at the 
local metroplex to see something else.From what everyone is saying here, I 
shouldn't waste another $10 to see 'Churchill'.   Thanks for the 
heads-up.Just ONCE--I'd like to have a film about Churchill that tells the 
truth about his life.   How could any Hollywood producer and/or 
screenwriter improve on WSC's actual life?!?   It had more drama than one 
could shake a stick at!!   Good grief.Patricia Finnegan*
On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 10:37:42 AM UTC-4, Sandy Finlayson wrote:
>
> I made the mistake of going to the new Churchill film last night. While 
> the producers made the point in the credits that the film was based on 
> historical events but that scenes and dialogue had been made up, this was 
> still an awful film that does a disservice to WSC. Roger Ebert's review 
> which can be read here  is 
> an accurate summation of many of the "issues" with the film.  
>
> What's most alarming to me is that a lot of people get their history from 
> the movies and if they do in this case they will get a deeply flawed 
> picture of Churchill. After watching the film the most sensible question to 
> ask would be, why on earth would anyone have followed the Churchill 
> portrayed in this film?
>
> If you haven't already seen it, don't waste your money on it.
>
> Sandy
>
> 
> Mr. Sandy Finlayson 
> Director of Library Services &
> Professor of Theological Bibliography
> Westminster Theological Seminary  
> Philadelphia, PA
>
> "Google can bring back a hundred thousand answers.
>
> A librarian can bring you back the right one.
>
> ~ *Neil Gaiman*
>
>  
>
> Recent Release: Thomas Chalmers 
> 
>
> See also: Unity and Diversity: The Founders of the Free Church 
> 
>

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Re: [ChurchillChat] Another Churchill movie in the works

[PatFinn1940]

Jon--

This is an odd bit of casting, indeed.   The only film I've seen Oldman in 
is *Air Force One, *where he played a nasty Russian ultranationalist 
terrorist.   I'd have to see a trailer for *Darkest Hour *first, before 
deciding if he's any good or not!

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 8:02:47 PM UTC-4, Jon wrote:
>
> I am hoping it will be based closely on John Kukacs' book *Five Days in 
> May, 1940*.  But I am also wondering about the choice of Gary Oldman as 
> Churchill.  
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 4:09 PM, 'John Mather' via ChurchillChat <
> church...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> This has great potential. I hope they get it right. Who will be their 
>> historical advisors? Do they have one or two already? I had heard a rumor 
>> that Lord David Owen is in the midst of a book on this period of history. 
>> He maybe. Roll on the script and cameras. John H. Mather MD FACPE
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Sep 15, 2016, at 12:00 AM, Cita Stelzer > > wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> http://moviehole.net/2016108477darkest-hour-sets-release-date-supporting-cast
>> >
>> >
>> > Cita Stelzer
>> >
>> > Please note new email address:
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[ChurchillChat] Re: USA TV Broadcast of Churchill's Secret

[PatFinn1940]

What did you all think of how Ms. Duncan played the role of Clementine 
Churchill?

She seemed overly emotionally controlled.   Especially in the 'family 
dinner table row' between her children.   And the various scenes with Jock 
Colville.

And what did you think of the scene where Clementine tells Millie about 
little Marigold, and her sudden death?   That was heartbreaking, watching 
both WSC and CSC break down in tears.

I wish Marigold was buried with her parents and siblings at Bladon, instead 
of being alone in Kensal Green Cemetery, London.

Anyway: I thought the production was beautifully photographed, and the 
overall acting performances good.   Sure would be nice if there was a 
factual presentation of the same story.

My two cents.  :)

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 1:11:10 PM UTC-4, Cita Stelzer wrote:
>
> Whether “Churchill‘s Secret”, broadcast in the USA last night, was 
> riveting television I leave to the critics. But that it was historically 
> inaccurate at one important point there is no doubt. Lindsay Duncan’s 
> beautifully acted television version of Clemmie as a wife competing with 
> his political career for his time and attention has no relation to the 
> real-life version. Clementine Churchill, as I point out in my review of 
> Sonia Purnell’s biography of Clementine Churchill, was no whining woman at 
> odds with her husband’s political life. In fact, Clemmie was a full partner 
> in his political career, entertaining politicians and military figures when 
> he was away in the trenches in WWI. And as any fair reading of their 
> voluminous correspondence shows, offering wise advice to the often 
> impetuous-Winston, advice that prolonged his career. Not only was she a 
> full partner in his work, she had a full and rich life of her own, witness 
> her fund-raising work for the Red Cross’s Aid to the Soviet Union. Kudos to 
> Ms. Duncan, and don’t blame her for being asked to portray the fiction of a 
> novelist’s imagination.
>
>  
>
> Cita Stelzer
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Cita Stelzer
>
>  
>
> Please note new email address:
>
> ci...@irwinstelzer.com 
>
>  
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[ChurchillChat] Re: 2 London lectures this autumn - "Churchill and the Russians" and "Warlord Mussolini - of interest to anyone?

[PatFinn1940]

*If I lived in the UK--I would certainly want to attend.   Living across 
The Pond makes it difficult, however.Hope the presentations will be 
well-attended.*
On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 8:11:03 AM UTC-4, Elizabeth Priest wrote:
>
> The Second World War Experience Centre, (*a UK registered Charity which 
> collects and encourages access to the personal testimony of men and women 
> who lived through the years of the Second World War and promotes the use of 
> this material for education*) would like to invite friends of The 
> Churchill Centre to military history lectures which will take place this 
> autumn.
>
>  
>
> We are delighted to welcome the following speakers to the RAF Club, 128 
> Piccadilly, London W1J 7PY:
>
>  
>
> *Professor JOHN GOOCH  ‘Mussolini’s War’*
>
> *Tuesday 20th September 2016*
>
>  
>
> *Professor DAVID DILKS  ‘Churchill and the Russians 1939 – 1955’*
>
> *Tuesday 18th October 2016*
>
>  
>
> For more details on the lecture content, please visit 
> www.war-experience.org/lectures-2016
>
> To reserve a ticket, please email anne.wic...@war-experience.org 
>  with your contact details and confirm you are a member of 
> the Churchill Centre.
>
>
>  The Trustees of the Second World War Experience Centre are most grateful 
> for your support.
>
>  
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[ChurchillChat] 'Churchill's Secret': On PBS' 'Masterpiece'

[PatFinn1940]

Greetings all--

Has anyone in the UK seen this yet?



*http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/episode/churchills-secret/*It 
is coming up this Sunday, September 11, on PBS.

It looks pretty good.   Anyone have thoughts on it?

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan

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[ChurchillChat] Re: New Website For Work of Martin Gilbert

[PatFinn1940]

Hi Lee--

Lady Esther's doing a magnificent job with the 'new' Sir Martin Web site.   
I received the first edition of the e-newsletter last week, and it is full 
of all kinds of great information, and stories about Sir Martin's life and 
work.

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan

On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 2:40:26 PM UTC-4, Winston Canada wrote:
>
> For those of you who may not be aware of it, Esther Gilbert, Sir Martin’s 
> widow, has created an excellent new website with a great deal of 
> informative and useful information about his work on Churchill and other 
> subjects, including extracts from books and much other material.  You can 
> also sign up for a free newsletter.
>
>  
>
> It is well worth looking at and an outstanding way to preserve the legacy 
> of a great historian and beloved friend to all admirers of Winston 
> Churchill.
>
>  
>
> www.martingilbert.com
>
>  
>
> *Lee Pollock*
>
> *Executive Director*
>
> *The Churchill Centre*
>
> *lpol...@winstonchurchill.org  *
>
>  
>
> .
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Re: [ChurchillChat] Another Image of Churchill

[PatFinn1940]

I have that 'warmer' photo by Karsh on my copy of Sir Martin's one-volume 
Churchill biography (it was the first book Sir Martin sent me, after we 
began our correspondence in 2006).   It's one of my favorite Churchill 
photos.   I wonder how Karsh got him to smile for it, after the 'scowling 
lion' one was taken?

And you are right about 'In Search of Churchill' being a 'masterpiece'.   
It helped a lot with the background of how the young Martin Gilbert became 
the 'official' biographer after Randolph Churchill's death.  And the 
stories of how he tracked down so many of Churchill's colleagues  were both 
very amusing--and something of a 'spy novel'!

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan


On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 4:47:32 PM UTC-4, Antoine Capet wrote:
>
> Dear Terry, 
>
> No harm done in anglicising Adolf - except that the custom among 
> historians is to anglicise the (first) names of kings, emperors 
> and popes : perhaps too great an honour for "that man". 
>
> On a more serious note : 
>
> I was struck when recently reading the late Sir Martin's masterpiece, _ In 
> Search of Churchill_ (by the way, many thanks to the 
> List Members who wrote it was priority reading - they were absolutely 
> right) that he said why he had rejected that world-famous 
> portrait in favour of a warmer one (albeit also by Karsh at the same 
> session) for the photograph on his dust cover. Was he 
> influenced by Clementine's opinion (which he no doubt knew) ? - that will 
> remain forever an interesting question. 
>
> Best, 
>
> A.C. 
> == 
>
> From: Terry Reardon 
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 9:57 PM 
> To: church...@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Another Image of Churchill 
>
> OOPS! 
>
> Before someone comments - of course it should be Adolf. 
>
> Terry Reardon 
>
> From: Terry Reardon 
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 3:53 PM 
> To: church...@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: [ChurchillChat] Another Image of Churchill 
>
> We clearly know the opinion of Winston and Clementine on the Graham 
> Sutherland painting, but what was their opinion of the 
> “Roaring Lion” photograph by Yousuf Karsh? 
>
> While to the best of my knowledge Winston Churchill is not on record as 
> having given an opinion, we do have his reaction by way of 
> Clementine.  As I said in my book (take every opportunity!) on Churchill & 
>  Mackenzie King, the diary of King of May 6, 1944 
> recorded a conversation with Clementine. “She (Clementine) does not like 
> the Karsh picture, neither does Churchill himself. She 
> said ‘He really has a more playful expression about his mouth.’” 
>
> Now I wonder if Adolph Hitler ever commented on it! 
>
> Terry Reardon 
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Sutherland portrait

[PatFinn1940]

How in the world did Miss Hamblin manage to keep this secret??   I am glad 
there weren't any paparazzi photographers around at Chartwell, when the 
painting was taken out in the dead of night.   What a courageous thing for 
her to do.

The Sutherland portrait was really horrific.   WSC had a great comeback 
line about it.   But I can certainly see why Clementine *hated *the thing.

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan

On Tuesday, July 14, 2015 at 11:01:27 PM UTC-4, Brad Tolppanen wrote:
>
> The Daily Telegraph recently had an interesting article on the destruction 
> of the infamous Graham Sutherland portrait of Winston Churchill in which 
> Sonia Purnell reveals the painting was burned by Grace Hamblin at the wish 
> of Clementine Churchill. The article is available at:
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/winston-churchill/11730850/Secret-of-Winston-Churchills-unpopular-Sutherland-portrait-revealed.html
>
> I have an entry on the destruction of the painting on my Churchill blog 
> along with a newsreel video from 1954 of the unveiling of the painting and 
> Churchill’s remarks. The blog is at:
>
> https://winstonchurchillblog.wordpress.com/
>
>
> Best,
>
> Brad
>
> ***
>
> Bradley P. Tolppanen
>
> Author, Churchill in North America, 1929: A Three Month Tour of Canada and 
> the United States
>
> https://churchillinnorthamerica.wordpress.com/
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Re: [ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill's farming activities

[PatFinn1940]

 I would love to read Piers Brendon's book, when it does come out!

I hope it includes the story of the phone conversation between Churchill 
and Field Marshal Alanbrooke--when Churchill was laying in bed and wiggling 
his toe, and his cat bit it.   And Churchill yells out, *'Get off, you 
bloody fool!!'--*and Alanbrooke hangs up the phone, thinking HE was the 
'bloody fool'!!   

Churchill loved cats mostly, did he not?   I remember reading there was a 
cat keeping him company in his final days at Hyde Park Gate.

Pat Finnegan

On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 4:35:53 AM UTC-4, Allen wrote:
>
>  Of course, Piers Brendon is currently working on a book about Churchill 
> and animals, which may touch on this.
>
>  
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> *From:* church...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> church...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Richard M. 
> Langworth
> *Sent:* 01 July 2015 20:55
> *To:* church...@googlegroups.com ; dpre...@gmail.com 
> 
> *Subject:* [ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill's farming activities
>
>  
>  
> David:
>  
>  
>  
> Martin Gilbert *Winston S. Churchill, *Vols. 5 and 8, and Mary Soames's *A 
> Daughter's Tale* are laced with references. Since you are in Westerham 
> you should dig up a copy of Percy Reid's *Churchill: Townsman of 
> Westerham*, which also covers farming episodes. Reid was a stringer for 
> London newspapers who kept an eye on things at Chartwell. Scarce but maybe 
> available on bookfinder.com. 
>  
>  
>  
> Three specific articles:
>  
>  
>  
> On Alice Bateman and Donkey Jack:
>  
> http://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/churchills-character-the-common-touch
>  
>  
>  
> See also "Guarding Greatness," by 1946-47 bodyguard Ronald Golding:
>  
> Finest Hour 143: 
> https://www.winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-143/glimpses-guarding-greatness-part-i
>  
> Finest Hour 144: 
> https://www.winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-144/guarding-greatness
>  
>  
>  
> WSC to Lloyd George: "I am going to make my farm pay, whatever it costs," 
> *Churchill 
> in His Own Words, *517.
>  
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0091933366/?tag=richmlang-20
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Iraq Inquiry panel member Sir Martin Gilbert dies - Telegraph

[PatFinn1940]

I will always remember Sir Martin Gilbert as the Churchill historian *par 
excellence.  *And even more, as a friend, and a generous man.

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan

On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 6:26:17 AM UTC-5, Robert Courts wrote:
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> All Churchillians will join with me in mourning the passing of this 
> wonderful man, and peerless historian. The debt we owe him is beyond 
> measure. 
>
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11389149/Iraq-Inquiry-panel-member-Sir-Martin-Gilbert-dies.html
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Reflections on Churchill's Funeral (Weekly Standard)

[PatFinn1940]

Excellent article.   The quotes from Sir Martin Gilbert were spot-on.

I was barely 10 years old, when Winston Churchill died.   I remember 
watching the excellent series *The Gallant Years *(with actor Richard 
Burton reading Churchill's words)with my parents, so I was aware that 
Churchill was someone really important.   Even back then, I was interested 
in how he led Britain in WW2.

And I knew he was half-American, on his mother's side.   What I didn't know 
*then 
*was: his maternal grandfather was born about an hour south of where I 
lived, in Upstate New York!

BTW: the author got the Funeral site *wrong.*   It wasn't at *Westminster 
Abbey.   It was St Paul's Cathedral!*The singing of *The Battle Hymn of 
the Republic *at the Service still gives me goosebumps.

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan

On Saturday, January 24, 2015 at 1:36:14 PM UTC-5, Richard M. Langworth 
wrote:
>
> Anyone reading this knows where they were on 9/11/01. A diminishing number 
> remember where they were on 1/30/65—the day we said farewell to Winston 
> Churchill.
>
>  For me it was a life-changing experience. Suddenly, unforgettably, on my 
> flickering, black and white TV screen in Staten Island, N.Y., the huge void 
> of England’s grandest cathedral filled with *The Battle Hymn of the 
> Republic*. He was, we were reminded, half-American, an honorary citizen 
> by Act of Congress. 
>
> That day was the start of my 50-year career in search of Churchill—of what 
> his greatest biographer, Sir Martin Gilbert, described as “labouring in the 
> vineyard.” 
>
> After the funeral I picked up *The Gathering Storm, *the first volume of 
> his World War II memoirs. I was snared by what Robert Pilpel called his 
> “roast beef and pewter phrases.” It’s biased, as Churchill admitted—“This 
> is not history; this is my case.” But it is ordered so as to put you at his 
> side for the “great climacterics” that made us what we are today.
>
> Read more: 
> http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/reflections-churchill-s-funeral_824348.html
>
>  
>
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Service of Thanksgiving for Lady Soames

[PatFinn1940]

It was good to see that *The Battle Hymn of the Republic *was sung at the 
Thanksgiving Service.   An echo from the State Funeral of Lady Soames' 
father.

Patricia Finnegan

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 6:24:18 PM UTC-5, John David Olsen wrote:
>
> I'm quite sure that you are all aware that a Service of Thanksgiving for 
> Lady Soames took place in Westminster Abbey several weeks ago on the 20th 
> of November. Their Royal Highnesses The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of 
> Cornwall represented Her Majesty The Queen and His Royal Highness The Duke 
> of Edinburgh. 
>
> A link below is provided for the Order of Service. 
>
> http://bit.ly/1tJGvad
>
> -john
>
>
>
> [image: photo]
> *John David Olsen*
> The Churchill Centre
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Another new book of "debunking"

[PatFinn1940]

'Truths'--what 'truths'?   The author's??   I'd like to see what sources he 
used for this.   Are they 'original' sources, or ones that fit the author's 
presuppositions and agendas?

How 

*ridiculous.*(Ms.) Patricia Finnegan
pfinn2...@gmail.com

On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:15:00 PM UTC-5, Antoine Capet wrote:
>
> Another new book of "debunking" : 
>
> Arnold, Michael. Hollow Heroes: An Unvarnished Look at the Wartime Careers 
> of Churchill, Montgomery and Mountbatten. Casemate, 
> 2014. 
>
> The book reveals the truths behind the conventional images of three of 
> Great Britain's primary military leaders during and 
> immediately after the Second World War. In each case there was a totally 
> different side to each man, which demonstrates that a 
> great deal of their reputation was built on contrived results, deception 
> and dishonesty. It examines the influence and impediment 
> of "class" on the performance of the British Army in World War II, and 
> quotes the views of the Americans that far too often there 
> was an unwillingness among the British to base officer promotion on 
> effectiveness rather than on social background; conforming was 
> more important than performing, as anyone who has served in the British 
> Army's ranks would agree. At the same time, Montgomery 
> feared and was jealous of Patton, whose rate of advance was nearly always 
> twice that of Monty's. The services of Field Marshals 
> Wavell and Auchinleck, two of Britain's finest commanders of the war, were 
> largely lost to Britain because of Churchill's 
> consistent interfering in field matters and his need to contrive almost 
> anything to remain in power after he had been responsible 
> for the fall of Singapore. This book includes the bizarre case of 
> Major-General Dorman-Smith, one of Britain's most brilliant 
> original thinkers, who without reason was sacked by Churchill. 
> Dorman-Smith was the tactician who had produced Britain's victory 
> over Rommel at the first battle of Alamein, but his crime seems have been 
> overachievement; an unforgivable sin in some eyes. 
> Mountbatten's fumbling in India is also realistically portrayed in these 
> pages, putting paid to the "man for the century"'s overly 
> embellished reputation. 
>
>
> Antoine CAPET, FRHistS 
> Professor emeritus of British Studies 
> University of Rouen 
> 76821 Mont-Saint-Aignan 
> France 
> antoin...@univ-rouen.fr  
>
> 'Britain since 1914' Section Editor 
> Royal Historical Society Bibliography 
>
> Reviews Editor of CERCLES 
> http://www.cercles.com/review/reviews.html 
>
>
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill and the 'Black Dog' of Depression

[PatFinn1940]

Dear Professor Capet:

I would definitely be interested in reading about Churchill, and his 
struggles with the 'Black Dog' of depression.

I've dealt with that a lot in my own life; I even attempted suicide nearly 
seven years ago.   It is of some comfort to know that a great man like 
Winston Churchill wrestled with depression for much of his life.

Thank you for the 'heads-up' about this book!

Sincerely yours,
(Ms.) Patricia Finnegan

On Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:35:20 AM UTC-5, Antoine Capet wrote:
>
> Another Churchill book out this month: 
>
> Wilfred Attenborough. Churchill and the 'Black Dog' of Depression : 
> Reassessing the Biographical Evidence of Psychological 
> Disorder 
>
> ISBN 9781137462299 
>
>
> http://www.palgrave.com/page/detail/?k=9781137462299&WT.mc_id=EMI_PALGRAVE_1411_SRL1169-History%20Newsletter%20UK%20%281%29&WT.i_dcsvid=&spMailingID=47400589&spUserID=MTA0MDQxNzE0NDY4S0&spJobID=561712598&spReportId=NTYxNzEyNTk4S0
>  
>
>
>
> Professor Antoine CAPET, FRHistS 
> University of Rouen 
> 76821 Mont-Saint-Aignan 
> France 
> antoin...@univ-rouen.fr  
>
> 'Britain since 1914' Section Editor 
> Royal Historical Society Bibliography 
>
> Reviews Editor of CERCLES 
> http://www.cercles.com/review/reviews.html 
>
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Programs from WSC's Funeral

[PatFinn1940]

What fantastic mementoes you now own, Mike!Are you old enough to 
remember when Churchill died?

I was 10 years old in 1965, when I read the news articles about Churchill's 
final illness and death.   I watched the State Funeral on Saturday morning, 
even though the picture was a bit fuzzy on the screen.   As young as I was, 
I thought it was magnificent.

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan
Syracuse, NY

On Friday, October 10, 2014 11:29:14 AM UTC-4, Mike Campbell wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> I was very pleased to have recently received copies of material from the 
> funeral of Winston Churchill, as well as commemorative material from about 
> that time.  They are: the Ceremonial to be Observed, and the Order of 
> Service at/for the Funeral of The Right Honourable Sir Winston Leonard 
> Spencer Churchill; as well as the 63 page, mainly photo, book, "Winston 
> Churchill: Man of Destiny" by Stafford Northcote.
>
> My wife's good friend had worked for the late R. Gordon Robertson in 
> Ottawa until his death last year at age 95.  Mr. Robertson had been the 
> Clerk of the Privy Council (the country's top civil servant) at the time of 
> WSC's death, and would (I presume) have attended the funeral as a 
> representative of the Government of Canada.  Mr. Robertson's daughter 
> gifted the material to my wife's friend, who kindly passed them on to me.
>
> Lovely to have these pieces of history on hand, passed down and along from 
> someone who I believe was there in person.
>
> Mike Campbell
> Halifax, Nova Scotia
>
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Arrested for Quoting Churchill

[PatFinn1940]

*Good grief--this PC stuff is absolutely ridiculous.   Churchill's comments 
in The River War are, in too many ways, still relevant today.   If he were 
alive today, what would he say about ISIS, or Boko Haram?   I am sure he 
would have said something just as descriptive.And perhaps been arrested by 
the 'PC police'.   INSANE.(Ms.) Pat Finnegan*
On Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:18:30 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Hayes wrote:
>
>
>
> Jonathan Hayes
>
> "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.
> Teach a man to fish and he will sit in a boat
> and drink beer all day."
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* "Ehowatt" >
> *Date:* August 27, 2014 at 10:05:15 PM PDT
> *To:* "'Richard Van Allen'" >, <
> chateaust...@att.net >, "'A.L. Syson'" <
> syson...@hotmail.co.uk >
> *Cc:* "'Siu Ling Hui'" >, "'Robert Lewis 
> Galinsky'" >
> *Subject:* *Arrested for Quoting Churchill *
>
>  --
>  
> August 27th 2014 ⎙  *H*al *G*.P. *C*olebatch
> *Arrested for Quoting Churchill [image: CHURCHILL] 
> * 
>
> Britain's wartime leader defied Hitler and preserved at the cost of blood 
> and treasure the sceptre'd isle of Magna Carta and hard-won liberties. How 
> now is that we see this legacy of freedoms being so meekly surrendered? 
>
> *Britain has taken a symbolic step further down the road to cultural 
> suicide with the arrest, on the steps of Winchester’s ancient and historic 
> Guildhall, of Mr Paul Weston, who was a candidate in the elections to the 
> European parliament. His offence was having quoted Winston Churchill’s 1899 
> book The River War.*
>
> Mr Weston, chairman of the small party Liberty GB, was addressing a public 
> meeting when an unidentified woman took offence and called the police. No 
> fewer than seven police officers promptly appeared. Mr Weston was arrested 
> in mid-speech and bundled into a police van. He was charged with having 
> failing to comply with a request to move on under the powers of a dispersal 
> order made against him.
>
> He was further arrested on suspicion of religious or racial harassment, an 
> offence possibly carrying a severe prison sentence. This police overkill, 
> where a word of warning might have been enough in a case of mere 
> obstruction, indicates that Mr Weston’s offence was seen as political 
> rather than a mere minor infringement of public order. He was bailed 
> pending further inquiries.
>
> A Liberty GB spokesman said:
>
> Mr Weston was addressing the passers-by in the street with a megaphone. He 
> quoted an excerpt about Islam from the book The River War by Winston 
> Churchill. Reportedly, a woman came out of the Guildhall and asked Mr 
> Weston if he had the authorisation to make this speech. When he answered 
> that he didn’t, she told him, “It’s disgusting,” and then called the police.
>
> Unfortunately for the police and the complainant, Sir Winston himself was 
> beyond the reach of the law. Had he been around, other offences of 
> harassment by him might have been taken into account, such as describing 
> the well-known European statesman and advocate of European unity Adolf 
> Hitler as a bloodthirsty guttersnipe to be purged and blasted from the 
> surface of the earth, and the leaders of the late Union of Soviet Socialist 
> Republics as “foul baboonery”.
>
> In *The River War* he had written:
>
> How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! 
> Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia 
> in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent 
> in many countries.
>
> Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of 
> commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the 
> Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace 
> and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.
>
> Churchill was particularly concerned with the oppression of women in many 
> Islamic societies and said the world would not be free until this was ended:
>
> The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his 
> absolute property—either as a child, a wife, or a concubine—must delay the 
> final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a 
> great power among men.
>
> He claimed, in words some might think prophetic:
>
> Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how 
> to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development 
> of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.
>
>  Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and 
> proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, 
> raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity 
> is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it 
> had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Eur

[ChurchillChat] Re: Letter in the FT re WSC

[PatFinn1940]

*Absolutely brilliant, and relevant, words for today.   Almost 'prophetic'.*

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 12:41:42 PM UTC-4, Cita Stelzer wrote:
>
>  See below for letter captioned 'Putin is learning what Churchill knew'.
> Cita Stelzer
>  
>  
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>
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Lady Mary Soames

[PatFinn1940]

I was surprised to read this news yesterday.

Rest In Peace, Lady Soames.

On Sunday, June 1, 2014 10:00:04 AM UTC-4, Justin Clark wrote:
>
> Rest peacefully Lady Soames
>
> http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27655894
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Candidate Arrested for Speech in UK

[PatFinn1940]

This is absolutely RIDICULOUS.   When I first read the Churchill quote in 
question a few years ago, I was struck by WSC's prescience.  In some ways, 
he was right--especially when it comes to the more radical Islamists, who 
want to impose their Sharia law over English/British Common Law. 

To jail someone (even a politician) for views that some consider non-PC is 
insane.   Isn't that what places like Hyde Park Corner are set up for: to 
give those with unpopular views a forum?   Granted, this politician wasn't 
there, but he should be allowed to express such views aloud.   

My two US cents.

On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 1:28:32 PM UTC-4, Charles Montgomery wrote:
>
> I know this can be exaggerated, but it  shows on what a slippery slope the 
> current atmosphere in Western nations is resting.
>
> *Arrested for quoting Winston Churchill: European election candidate 
> accused of religious and racial harassment after he repeats wartime prime 
> minister’s words on Islam during campaign speech*
>
> He quoted WSC from “The River War”, quoted him mind you, for something 
> written 100+ years ago.  Part of which is:
>
> 'Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of 
> commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the 
> Prophet rule or live.'
>
>
>
> Read more: 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614834/Arrested-quoting-Winston-Churchill-European-election-candidate-accused-religious-racial-harassment-repeats-wartime-prime-ministers-words-Islam-campaign-speech.html#ixzz30IR5bXlS
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Must-watch video for Churchillians

[PatFinn1940]

I LOVE this video!   It brings back memories of my June 2012 New York City 
visit; I was invited to the opening of 'Churchill: The Power of Words' at 
the Morgan Library & Museum.   The afternoon I arrived, I made it a point 
to find *Chartwell Booksellers *and stop in for a visit.   I was absolutely 
*gobsmacked 
*by all the books about Churchill--and especially by the *original *works *by 
*Churchill.

Unfortunately, I didn't buy anything.   I should have.

THANKS for sharing the video, David!

(Ms.) Patricia Finnegan
pfinn2...@gmail.com

On Friday, February 28, 2014 2:18:51 PM UTC-5, David Freeman wrote:
>
> Colleagues,
>
> Here is link to wonderful USA today story about Barry Singer and his 
> Chartwell Bookseller store:
>
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/books/2014/02/27/chartwell-booksellers-winston-churchill/5871621/
>  
> David
>

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[ChurchillChat] Re: The day a nation buried WW2 leader Winston Churchill

[PatFinn1940]

I was almost ten years old at the time, but I remember watching Sir 
Winston's State Funeral on our black-and-white TV.Even at a young age, 
I knew who Churchill was, and admired him so very much.   It was an awesome 
spectacle to see via satellite.

Thank you for posting the article link, Professor Capet!

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan
pfinn2...@gmail.com

On Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:10:28 PM UTC-5, Antoine Capet wrote:
>
>
> The day a nation buried WW2 leader Winston Churchill 
> 30 January 2014 Last updated at 02:42 GMT 
>
> On 30 January 1965, Britain's wartime leader Sir Winston Churchill was 
> buried after a full state funeral. 
>
> Silent crowds lined the streets to watch the gun carriage bearing Sir 
> Winston's coffin leave Westminster Hall as Big Ben struck 
> 9.45. 
>
> The procession travelled slowly through central London to St Paul's 
> cathedral for the funeral service. 
>
> His granddaughter, Emma Soames, was just 14 years old at the time and 
> remembers the day vividly. 
>
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25865709 
>
>

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[ChurchillChat] Re: I blew up over Coventry myth.

[PatFinn1940]

*Well done, David!!!   Methinks this 'Ph.D.' needeth his head examined 
(Shakespearean English on purpose), for once again slandering Churchill 
about the bombing of Coventry.   Thank you for boldly standing up for the 
truth, even in a public event!!(Ms.) Pat FinneganSyracuse, NY*

On Monday, November 25, 2013 2:05:35 AM UTC-5, David Freeman wrote:
>
> Colleagues,
>
> This evening I attended a performance of Benjamin Britten's War Requiem at 
> the Orange County (California) Performing Arts Center.  Written 50 years 
> ago for the dedication of the new Coventry Cathedral, the Requiem is a 
> major work of sacred music.  This performance marked the centenary of 
> Britten's birth, which was last week.
>
> Before the concert there was an "academic" talk by some kindly but 
> ill-informed Ph.D. who repeated the urban myth that Churchill let Coventry 
> burn to protect the Ultra secret.  Sadly, a rather large group of the OC's 
> well-to-do had an "awkward" moment when I exploded and called the speaker 
> out in front of the entire audience.  The casual repetition of slander and 
> calumny from an "academic authority" by way of explaining the deaths of 568 
> people and the wounding of more than 1200 more is where I draw the line 
> between politely keeping quiet in society and loudly standing up for the 
> truth.
>
> One person made a point of coming up to me and saying, "you sir, are an 
> ass", but an elderly woman who told me she was from the Coventry area and 
> remembered the bombing well told me that she admired my courage.
>
> KBO,
>
> David
>

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Coach of the San Francisco 49ers is Churchill admirer

[PatFinn1940]

I *knew* there was another reason why I like Coach Harbaugh; it's *fantastic 
*that he is a Churchill admirer!!   

I wonder if he knows anything about the existence of this chat board??  
Granted, he probably wouldn't have a whole lot of time during the season to 
read it

I hope he was able to visit the Cabinet War Rooms in London after the game.

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan
Syracuse, NY USA

On Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:31:32 PM UTC-4, Charles Montgomery wrote:
>
> The 49ers are playing in Wembley Stadium for their Week 8 game Sunday and 
> their  coach, Jim Harbaugh, plans to use some of Churchill's words to 
> help inspire his team.  Harbaugh seems to be serious about his admiration 
> for WSC.
>
> “He’s my favorite figure of all time,” Harbaugh said following Friday's 
> practice session. “As the decades go on, the world appreciates his 
> leadership, his character, the titanium in his spine, the iron will of 
> Winston Churchill."
>
>
> http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/harbaugh-draws-churchill-inspire-49ers
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Portraying Churchill's Voice

[PatFinn1940]

Mr Edlin--

I had a look at the video clip of your one-man play, and it is *excellent!   
*

So many previous attempts at this become merely caricatures of Churchill.   
But you display both the power of his words, and his sense of humor ('Mr 
Churchill, you are drunk.  And you, madam, are *ugly!').   *In fact, I'd 
never heard his comment about France and Frenchmen before!

Well done!

(Ms.) Patricia Finnegan

On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:02:34 PM UTC-4, Andrew wrote:
>
> This is an interesting subject to me. 
>
> I have performed my one-man Churchill play for 16 years. My portrayal 
> certainly aims to approximate to Churchill's in timbre and rhythm, 
> hopefully enough to satisfy an audience. You judge! 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVgARLm6Ymc 
>
> Ultimately what matters is to inhabit the personality and charisma of 
> Churchill to convey him on stage. 
>
> I liked Richard Burton's Churchill, although he spoke in his own trademark 
> way with little attempt to imitate Churchill, because he loaned the 
> tremendous power of his voice and personality and transmuted it into 
> Churchill's. 
>
> Andrew Edlin 
> churchillplay.com 
>
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[ChurchillChat] Re: 'Churchill', narrated by Sir Ian McKellen

[PatFinn1940]

Hi, Grimsdyke--

I am definitely a great admirer of Churchill; I have been for as long as I 
can remember.   My earliest recollection of the great man is the 
documentary series 'The Valiant Years', which I watched as a child.And 
I also remember watching his funeral service on TV.

Who do you think would have been a better reader of Churchill's words in 
this particular documentary?   I took it for granted that the person knew 
what he was doing; as an American, I am not as well acquainted with 
'Churchill voice-imposters' as many British Churchillians might be.  I'm 
just curious.   (And I am opening that question up to everyone here on the 
board, BTW.)

And thanks for your kind words.

Pat

On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:04:01 AM UTC-4, Grimsdyke wrote:
>
> Pat, I am an unashamed admirer of Churchill - as I guess you are. Whatever 
> our private stations and the lives we each lead, it surely isn't possible 
> for us to admire Churchill for too many disparate reasons, and so there 
> must invariably be - present in all of us who admire him - that deep 
> respect for courage and the unyielding allegiance to principle and honour 
> that the great man embodied. So I absolutely respect your observations 
> here, and thanks to you I have now bought this 3-disc set myselfand 
> have been watching (and listening) entranced. There is however one thing 
> about it that degrades the experience for me, and also (I feel) cheapens 
> the production in spite of all McKellen's gravity and skill in narration: 
> and that is the person who reads Churchill's words. He made me cringe and 
> squirm with something very near disgust. He labours so much to reproduce 
> the tonal qualities of the Original, that he sounded by turns like an 
> elderly coquette attempting to make himself agreeable, and by turns like 
> some valetudinarian monk trying to coax a juvenile congregation. His 
> wheedling voice and abominably exaggerated lilt (done with nauseating 
> frequency, and usually ridiculously misplaced) made a mockery of the 
> perfectly-turned prose that he was reading. Nor did he prnounce many of his 
> words the way Churchill did. One example is the word 'sure', which he 
> pronounces as "shore"; whereas Churchill always said "shoo-er". There are 
> many more. 
>
> If one listens to WSC (the real man, that is) on the many recordings 
> available on http://archive.org/details/Winston_Churchill , one will at 
> once recognize, I think, what a sorry counterfeit this 'stand-in' is. 
> Churchill's voice is measured and direct. He doesn't wheedle in the 
> slightest. And whenever he allows a lilt to shape the last words of a 
> phrase, its aptness is self-evident, and wraps his words in a profoundness 
> that seems to come from the Ages. 
> I wish they'd chosen someone else to read the Great Man's words; or at 
> least had made him study Churchill's delivery more closely. This fellow 
> spoils it for me.
>
> On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 2:55:53 AM UTC+12, PatFinn1940 wrote:
>>
>> Greetings--
>>
>> I'm wondering if any fellow Churchillians have seen the three-part 
>> documentary *Churchill, *narrated by Sir Ian McKellen?   It was shown on 
>> my local PBS channel the past three Sundays.   It featured interviews with 
>> family members (Mary, Lady Soames, grandson Winston S. Churchill, and 
>> granddaughter Celia Sandys), colleagues (Anthony Montague Browne, Evan 
>> Davies), and descendants of colleagues (Lloyd George's great-grandson).   I 
>> noticed it was done back in 2003.
>>
>> I thought it was *very *well done.The person who read Churchill's 
>> words was marvelous.   It was like the great man had come back to life!!   
>>
>> I must confess that I was very sad at the end, watching Churchill's 
>> physical decline.   There was wonderful clear footage of the funeral 
>> procession from Parliament up through Whitehall.   And when St Paul's 
>> Cathedral choir was singing *The Battle Hymn of the Republic, *I 'lost 
>> it'...and the tears really flowed during the procession on the River 
>> Thames, as the dock cranes were lowered in tribute.
>>
>> I live not far from where Churchill's American grandfather, Leonard 
>> Jerome, was born and raised.   And that's a real honor to me.
>>
>> What are your thoughts on this documentary?Thanks.
>>
>> Patricia Finnegan
>> pfin...@gmail.com
>>
>

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[ChurchillChat] 'Churchill', narrated by Sir Ian McKellen

[PatFinn1940]

Greetings--

I'm wondering if any fellow Churchillians have seen the three-part 
documentary *Churchill, *narrated by Sir Ian McKellen?   It was shown on my 
local PBS channel the past three Sundays.   It featured interviews with 
family members (Mary, Lady Soames, grandson Winston S. Churchill, and 
granddaughter Celia Sandys), colleagues (Anthony Montague Browne, Evan 
Davies), and descendants of colleagues (Lloyd George's great-grandson).   I 
noticed it was done back in 2003.

I thought it was *very *well done.The person who read Churchill's words 
was marvelous.   It was like the great man had come back to life!!   

I must confess that I was very sad at the end, watching Churchill's 
physical decline.   There was wonderful clear footage of the funeral 
procession from Parliament up through Whitehall.   And when St Paul's 
Cathedral choir was singing *The Battle Hymn of the Republic, *I 'lost 
it'...and the tears really flowed during the procession on the River 
Thames, as the dock cranes were lowered in tribute.

I live not far from where Churchill's American grandfather, Leonard Jerome, 
was born and raised.   And that's a real honor to me.

What are your thoughts on this documentary?Thanks.

Patricia Finnegan
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[ChurchillChat] Re: FW: Winston Churchill - books & memorabilia

[PatFinn1940]

I sure wish I had the room--or the funds!--to purchase this Churchill 
collection!   I'm sorry you have to sell this, Steve.  

Thanks, Allen, for letting us know about this sale.

Pat Finnegan

On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:20:11 AM UTC-4, Allen wrote:
>
>  Dear listserv members,
>  
> I hope it is ok to send this on. I thought some of you may have an 
> interest in adding to your Churchill libraries.
>  
> Allen
>
>  --
> *From:* stephen wells [mailto:stevew...@hotmail.co.uk ] 
> *Sent:* 24 July 2013 15:17
> *To:* Allen Packwood
> *Subject:* Winston Churchill - books & memorabilia
>
>   Good afternoon Allen,
>
> Following our conversation earlier, I'm contacting you in relation to the 
> collection 
> of Winston Churchill books and memorabilia that I am currently in receipt 
> of.
>
> *Please see the mini advert/bulletin you suggested I write below. Plus 
> the attached file, fully documenting the collection - including all book 
> titles, author, publisher, year of publication and condition.
>
> *
>
> *Winston Churchill books and memorabilia. Collected over many years, these 
> currently belong to my elderly great aunt who is unfortunately now having 
> to sell them and I have been asked to do so on her behalf.
> I would be happy to consider the sale of items individually but ideally I 
> am looking to sell everything together, for which a much better deal could 
> be negotiated. 
> 36 BOOKS IN TOTAL... including: Winston S. Churchill Companion Vol I – 
> parts 1 & 2, Winston S. Churchill: The Official Biography - all 8 vols, The 
> Second World War - all 6 vols, A History of English Speaking Peoples - all4 
> vol
> s, The Island Race, Churchill - The Man of the Century.
> OTHER MEMORABILIA: Various Churchill newspapers/cuttings (from 1965 & 
> 1988), The voice of Winston Churchill - various speeches (LP/Record vinyl), 
> Telegraph & Daily Mail supplements:Tributes, souvenir issues etc re 
> Churchill's death.
> Please contact me for further details. A full descriptive list & various 
> photos can also be emailed on request. Happy to discuss postage/courier 
> options if necessary.
> Contact Steve. T. +44 (0) 7788 123339 E. stevew...@hotmail.co.uk
> Thank you
>
>
>
> *Apologies if the above to too long Allen, I wasn't quite sure how much room 
> the website you spoke of allocates for each advert... If it is too 
> 'wordy', please feel free to cut out anything you feel is irrelevant at this 
> time.
> Thank you for any help you can give me - it is much appreciated keep me 
> posted.
>
> Regards
> Steve
> *
> *
>  
>
>
>

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Re: [ChurchillChat] Welsh MP Wants Students to be Ignorant of Churchill

[PatFinn1940]

Mike--

After reading the article in question, I don't think Mr Bryant knows HOW to 
read *himself!

*Pat Finnegan
Syracuse, NY, USA

On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 1:29:41 PM UTC-4, Mike Campbell wrote:
>
> If only Welsh Labour MP Chris Bryant would read "Churchill: A Life" by the 
> late Welsh Labour MP Roy Jenkins.
>  
> Mike Campbell
> Halifax, Nova Scotia
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Robert Courts 
> > wrote:
>
>> I don't think we'll ever see the back of that one.
>>
>> On 9 Jul 2013, at 17:04, David Freeman > 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Colleagues,
>> >
>> > This is a real howler:
>> >
>> > 
>> http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/413379/We-don-t-want-Churchill-being-taught-to-our-children-says-Welsh-MP-in-curriculum-debate
>> >
>> > Chris Bryant, MP obviously wants to keep students as ignorant of 
>> history as he is.  Had he learned history properly he would know that 
>> Churchill was attacked in both Parliament and the press for PREVENTING 
>> troops from being sent against Welsh miners.
>> >
>> > David
>> >
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[ChurchillChat] Re: History Books

[PatFinn1940]

These two books are eye-openers to me.   The Battle of the Bulge has been 
taught (at least to me) as an almost totally *American *campaign and 
victory.   It is good to see that Montgomery, and the British forces in 
Belgium, are finally getting their due.   I'd definitely be interested in 
the first book!   Thanks.

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan


On Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:56:29 PM UTC-4, mfste...@aol.com wrote:
>
>  This new book may be of interest to our Churchill friends.
>  
>  
>  --
>  From: rob...@brugesgroup.org.uk 
> To: ste...@aol.com 
> Sent: 6/16/2013 8:00:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time
> Subj: History Books
>  
>   
>   History Books
> 
> *
> The Bruges Group spearheads the intellectual battle against the notion of 
> "ever–closer Union" in Europe and, above all, against British involvement 
> in a single European state.*
>[image: 
> http://www.brugesgroup.co.uk/social_link.php?id=1&target=http://www.brugesgroup.com/eu/knife-edge.htm?xp=paper]
>  [image: 
> http://www.brugesgroup.co.uk/social_link.php?id=2&target=http://www.brugesgroup.com/eu/knife-edge.htm?xp=paper]
>  [image: 
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>  [image: 
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>  [image: 
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>  
>
> *Knife Edge*
> *Montgomery and the Battle of the Bulge* by Robert Oulds
>
> The hidden story of Field Marshal Montgomery and the British led victory 
> over Hitler’s last great gamble. The Battle of the Bulge was the last great 
> German counter-attack of World War Two. An epic confrontation, it almost 
> turned the tide of the war.
>
> The decisive role of Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery and the British-led 
> forces in thwarting the Fuhrer's plans has remained largely hidden from 
> view. 
>
> In *Knife Edge: Montgomery and the Battle of the Bulge*, the military 
> historian Robert Oulds tells the real story of that victory. The bold 
> German surprise attack shocked and nearly overawed the American forces in 
> the path of the Panzer’s ferocious assault. 
>
> The German Fuhrer had the British commander in his sights. Ultimately the 
> leader of the Third Reich wanted to capture the British-held port of 
> Antwerp and then isolate and destroy Montgomery’s 21st Army Group. However, 
> Monty, as the Field Marshal was known, was never going to let that happen. 
> He planned the allied response to the German attack, took over the command 
> of two American armies, and drove the Nazis back. 
>
> The Battle of the Bulge was very much Montgomery’s battle. And the victory 
> when it finally came was his victory. 
>
> *Knife Edge* punctures many of the myths that have grown up around the 
> battle, and looks at the enormous controversy surrounding Montgomery’s role 
> at the heart of this great confrontation between Nazi Germany and the 
> allies. Some historians have sought to almost write him out of the fighting 
> altogether - but now it is time to tell the long overdue story of 
> Montgomery and the Battle of the Bulge. 
>
> Drawing on telegrams and personal letters, Oulds brings the role of Monty 
> vividly to life. It is a book that no one interested in World War Two will 
> want to miss.
>
> This book is available through Amazon as an eBook for your eReader. It is 
> published by Endeavour Press.
> To purchase the book as an eBook click 
> *here*
>
> Please forward the link to the book on people you know who may be 
> interested.
>
> I am interested in any feedback and hearing what you think of the book. 
> Please write a review on the Amazon website. I will send a signed copy of 
> my other book *Montgomery and the First War on Terror* to those who write 
> interesting reviews. I will be very grateful for any and all support.
>
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Boris Johnson writing new Churchill Bio

[PatFinn1940]

There's not much Mayor Johnson and Winston Churchill have in common--even 
with the errors in The Guardian article!

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:05:39 PM UTC-4, David Freeman wrote:
>
> It's all over the news.  Here's the link to The Guardian's coverage: 
>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/shortcuts/2013/jun/04/boris-johnson-churchill-tell-apart
>  
>
> The Guardian profile of WSC is riddled with errors, but as a socialist 
> paper it's free to access.  The Times and The Telegraph require a 
> subscription to read online. 
>

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill & "Mad Men"

[PatFinn1940]

OOOPStoo bad this is a misquote.   Apologies for not catching it.   
Thanks.

Pat

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:57:40 AM UTC-4, David Freeman wrote:
>
> Colleagues, 
>
> Here's a link to an amusing mix of Churchill quotes amid analysis of the 
> tv show Mad Men: 
>
>
> http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/tv-zone-1.811968/mad-men-on-collaborators-churchill-and-the-collaborators-1.5080931
>  
>
> David 
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill & "Mad Men"

[PatFinn1940]

I've never seen an episode of 'Mad Men' myself.But these Churchill 
quotes are spot-on for these various scenarios.

And I especially like the following quote:

*"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."

*Thanks, David, for posting this article!

Pat Finnegan

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:57:40 AM UTC-4, David Freeman wrote:
>
> Colleagues, 
>
> Here's a link to an amusing mix of Churchill quotes amid analysis of the 
> tv show Mad Men: 
>
>
> http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/tv-zone-1.811968/mad-men-on-collaborators-churchill-and-the-collaborators-1.5080931
>  
>
> David 
>

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[ChurchillChat] Re: [Churchill Chat] Keep Calm and Carry On

[PatFinn1940]

OH--this would make an excellent 'souvenir' for purchase, at the Cabinet 
War Rooms bookshop in London!I'd definitely buy one.

Pat Finnegan
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On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:33:19 AM UTC-4, Geoffrey Sparrow wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am sure as many of you know and might enjoy the "Keep Calm and Carry On" 
> posters which were created in 1939 in Britain to keep spirits up. I found 
> this one clearly about Mr.Churchill very amusing, I hope you will as well.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Geoffrey Sparrow
>
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[ChurchillChat] Re: BLETCHLEY PARK

[PatFinn1940]

This is more than just 'unfortunate': it's *scandalous!!*I like the 
comment beneath the article that called the Director a 'twit'!

Churchill *should *have some presence at Bletchley Park; if it wasn't for 
his 'action this day' note, would the codebreakers have gotten sufficient 
funding for their vital work?   It's ridiculous!

Pat Finnegan

On Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:46:56 AM UTC-4, Nigel Guest wrote:
>
> Unfortunate:
>
>
> www.express.co.uk/news/uk/382089/A-dark-hour-as-Winston-Churchill-tribute-gets-chop
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Re: [ChurchillChat] Churchill Photo used in Ad

[PatFinn1940]

Poor WSC: I wonder if he would have gotten a chuckle from seeing his photo 
with a Father Christmas cap on?

Does seem a bit crass to do, however

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan

On Friday, December 14, 2012 8:04:10 PM UTC-5, WintonChurchillJr. wrote:
>
> Not a lawyer but... many photos of Churchill were taken by government 
> photographers (both US and UK) with government owned cameras and government 
> paid for film and processing and as such are usually in the public domain 
> and can be use by anybody for anything... there are a number of exceptions 
> to this... but this is probably the "loophole" they are using...
>
> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 3:02 PM, > wrote:
>
>>  I just drove down K Street in Washington DC and saw a crass use of a 
>> photo of Churchill wih a Santa cap to promote JR Cigars, a local store. I 
>> would have thought this sort of use of Churchill's image would require 
>> permission. Am I mistaken?
>>Bob Gazzola
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Winston's book about his father Randolph

[PatFinn1940]

Hello Professor Capet--

When I was in New York City for the 'Churchill: The Power of Words' 
exhibition in June, I stopped by Chartwell Booksellers, near Fifth Avenue.  
Perhaps they would have second-hand copies of WSC's biography of his father 
Randolph?   I'll check their Web site for prices.   Did you pay a lot for 
the edition you purchased?

Pat

On Sunday, December 16, 2012 1:23:28 PM UTC-5, Antoine Capet wrote:
>
> Dear Pat, 
>
> I do no know, either - you can easily check with an online bookseller. But 
> I bought a second-hand copy in mint condition from one 
> of the specialised "used books" online businesses in the UK, at a very 
> keen price, a few weeks ago. A bargain at one fifth 
> (postage included) of the original price mentioned on the flaps ! The law 
> of supply and demand - which fully operates in this 
> area - seems to indicate that there are more sellers than potential buyers 
> for this particular title . . . 
>
> And thank you Tom for the tip on VHS / DVD versions. I must say I know the 
> second-hand book business far better than firms 
> specialising in VHS to DVD conversion. 
>
> Best wishes, 
>
> A.C. 
>
>
> Professor Antoine CAPET, FRHistS 
> Head of British Studies 
> University of Rouen 
> 76821 Mont-Saint-Aignan 
> France 
> antoin...@univ-rouen.fr  
>
> 'Britain since 1914' Section Editor 
> Royal Historical Society Bibliography 
>
> Reviews Editor of CERCLES 
> http://www.cercles.com/review/reviews.html 
> = 
>
> From: PatFinn1940 
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 6:29 PM 
> To: church...@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Re: Gathering Storm 1974 - Actor Richard 
> Burton 
>
> Hi Tom-- 
>
> I don't know of Winston's book about his father Randolph is still in 
> print?   Would any, more knowledgeable Churchill enthusiasts 
> than I, know for sure? 
>
> Pat 
>
> On Saturday, December 15, 2012 12:04:32 AM UTC-5, Tom R Dennis wrote: 
> Dear Antoine, 
>
> I have the the VHS version. I am a die hard movie buff and still have the 
> dual 
> VHS and DVD player. 
>
> I know there are people that can copy  VHS to DVD but don't know the 
> legalities. You 
> might consider buying the dual player. I see them on Craigslist all the 
> time for $20-30 
> each. 
>
> Richard Burton was outstanding. Albert Finney was Excellent as well. Both 
> are prize 
> possessions. I was nicely surprised about the 1972 Young Winston. The 
> timneline 
> was solid. This tape sat for three years before I finally watched it 
>
> I realize that I need to read more about Randolph Sr.. Any suggestions for 
> a minor Winston 
> buff? 
>
> Thanks, 
> Tom 
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Antoine Capet  wrote: 
> Dear Tom, 
>
> Many thanks for the tips. 
>
> I looked up Amazon UK for no. 2 (Gathering Storm 1974 - Actor Richard 
> Burton), to no avail. 
>
> On Amazon USA, they have it - but only as VHS video tape (ranging from 
> $3.98 to $473.31 + shipping). 
>
> Is there a DVD version ? 
>
> Best, 
>
> A.C. 
>
>
> Professor Antoine CAPET, FRHistS 
> Head of British Studies 
> University of Rouen 76821 Mont-Saint-Aignan 
> France 
> antoin...@univ-rouen.fr 
>
> 'Britain since 1914' Section Editor 
> Royal Historical Society Bibliography 
> Reviews Editor of CERCLES 
> http://www.cercles.com/review/reviews.html 
> = 
> From: Tom Dennis Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:36 PM 
> To: church...@googlegroups.com Subject: [ChurchillChat] The Arts(Movies) 
>
> Dear Chat, 
>
> Besides owning a number of Documentaries on Winston Churchill, I recently 
> purchased the following movies and enjoyed them immensely : 
>
> 1. Young Winston 1972  Actor Simon Ward  (Died this year in July) 
>The movies was entertaining and followed the timeline quite closely. 
> 2. Gathering Storm 1974  Actor Richard Burton 
>The acting was tremendous and gave me a sense how powerful Winston 
>Churchill might have been when in the opposition. 
>
> 3. The Gathering Storm 2003   Actor Albert Finney 
>I came away with the sense of how lonely WSC became when Jennie was 
>away on holiday. 
>
> If you needs to get away from the books for just a short period of time, i 
> would suggest picking up the following movies on Amazon 
> (New or used) for a good price. When I went back to the books, I felt my 
> understanding was just a bit 
> better and definitely more interesting. 
>
> Tom Dennis 
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Re: [ChurchillChat] Re: Gathering Storm 1974 - Actor Richard Burton

[PatFinn1940]

Hi Tom--

I don't know of Winston's book about his father Randolph is still in 
print?   Would any, more knowledgeable Churchill enthusiasts than I, know 
for sure?

Pat

On Saturday, December 15, 2012 12:04:32 AM UTC-5, Tom R Dennis wrote:
>
> Dear Antoine,
>  
> I have the the VHS version. I am a die hard movie buff and still have the 
> dual
> VHS and DVD player.
>  
> I know there are people that can copy  VHS to DVD but don't know the 
> legalities. You 
> might consider buying the dual player. I see them on Craigslist all the 
> time for $20-30 
> each.
>
> Richard Burton was outstanding. Albert Finney was Excellent as well. Both 
> are prize 
> possessions. I was nicely surprised about the 1972 Young Winston. The 
> timneline 
> was solid. This tape sat for three years before I finally watched it
>
> I realize that I need to read more about Randolph Sr.. Any suggestions for 
> a minor Winston
> buff?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>  
>
>
>  
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Antoine Capet 
> > wrote:
>
>> Dear Tom,
>>
>> Many thanks for the tips.
>>
>> I looked up Amazon UK for no. 2 (Gathering Storm 1974 - Actor Richard 
>> Burton), to no avail.
>>
>> On Amazon USA, they have it - but only as VHS video tape (ranging from 
>> $3.98 to $473.31 + shipping).
>>
>> Is there a DVD version ?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> A.C.
>>
>>
>> Professor Antoine CAPET, FRHistS
>> Head of British Studies
>> University of Rouen 76821 Mont-Saint-Aignan
>> France
>> antoin...@univ-rouen.fr 
>>
>> 'Britain since 1914' Section Editor
>> Royal Historical Society Bibliography 
>> Reviews Editor of CERCLES
>> http://www.cercles.com/review/**reviews.html
>> = 
>> From: Tom Dennis Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:36 PM
>> To: church...@googlegroups.com  Subject: [ChurchillChat] 
>> The Arts(Movies)
>>
>> Dear Chat,
>>
>> Besides owning a number of Documentaries on Winston Churchill, I recently
>> purchased the following movies and enjoyed them immensely :
>>
>> 1. Young Winston 1972  Actor Simon Ward  (Died this year in July)
>>The movies was entertaining and followed the timeline quite closely. 
>> 2. Gathering Storm 1974  Actor Richard Burton
>>The acting was tremendous and gave me a sense how powerful Winston
>>Churchill might have been when in the opposition.
>>
>> 3. The Gathering Storm 2003   Actor Albert Finney
>>I came away with the sense of how lonely WSC became when Jennie was
>>away on holiday.
>>
>> If you needs to get away from the books for just a short period of time, 
>> i would suggest picking up the following movies on Amazon (New or used) for 
>> a good price. When I went back to the books, I felt my understanding was 
>> just a bit
>> better and definitely more interesting.
>>
>> Tom Dennis
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[ChurchillChat] Re: The Arts(Movies)

[PatFinn1940]

Hi Tom--I've not seen 'Young Winston' in a long time.   But Simon Ward did 
an outstanding job in the title role.   Couldn't believe how much he really 
looked like young WSC.   Was shocked to learn of his death earlier this 
year.

'The Gathering Storm' is one I've never seen.   I'll check Amazon US in the 
coming year, and see if either of them are still available.

Thanks.
Pat Finnegan

On Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:36:19 PM UTC-5, Tom R Dennis wrote:
>
> Dear Chat,
>
> Besides owning a number of Documentaries on Winston Churchill, I recently
> purchased the following movies and enjoyed them immensely :
>
> 1. Young Winston 1972  Actor Simon Ward  (Died this year in July)
> The movies was entertaining and followed the timeline quite closely. 
>
> 2. Gathering Storm 1974  Actor Richard Burton
> The acting was tremendous and gave me a sense how powerful Winston
> Churchill might have been when in the opposition.
>
> 3. The Gathering Storm 2003   Actor Albert Finney
> I came away with the sense of how lonely WSC became when Jennie was
> away on holiday.
>
> If you needs to get away from the books for just a short period of time, i 
> would 
> suggest picking up the following movies on Amazon (New or used) for a good 
> price. When I went back to the books, I felt my understanding was just a 
> bit
> better and definitely more interesting.
>
> Tom Dennis
> 
>

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Last Lion 3 is here at last!

[PatFinn1940]

This is AWESOME news, David--I'll first check out my local bookshop for 
this, before ordering it online.   Maybe I'll also look for second-hand 
copies of the first two 'The Last Lion' volumes.

Pat Finnegan

On Monday, October 22, 2012 8:30:59 PM UTC-4, David Freeman wrote:
>
> Colleagues,
>  
> Just 24 years after the publication of Volume II, Volume III has finally 
> been published.
>  
> Amazon is now shipping copies, not an expression used when Volume II came 
> out in 1988 since Amazon and the internet as we know it did not then exist.
>  
> I had to buy the first two volumes in bookstores and carry them all the 
> way home!
>  
> David
>

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill, Reith and the BBC

[PatFinn1940]

I couldn't help laughing at Churchill's description of Reith as 'that 
Wuthering Height'!   Did he ever tell Reith face-to-face what he thought of 
him?

On Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:28:47 AM UTC-4, David Freeman wrote:
>
> Colleagues,
>  
> Worth reading:
>  
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9606384/Nick-Robinson-Winston-Churchills-bitter-battle-with-the-BBC.html
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[ChurchillChat] Re: The Last Lion Vol. 3 Publication Date Now Set

[PatFinn1940]

YES!!   It's about TIME!!!I read the first two volumes and enjoyed 
them immensely.

Pat Finnegan
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On Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:29:49 PM UTC-4, David Freeman wrote:
>
> Colleagues,
>  
> Here is the link to Amazon's information on the book and a look at the 
> dustjacket:
>  
>
> http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Lion-Churchill-1940-1965/dp/0316547700/ref=pd_sim_b_8
>  
> Will it really finally happen?
>  
> We will soon know.
>  
> David
>

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Program on Churchill on Charlie Rose TV Show

[PatFinn1940]

I watched this on Charlie Rose's Web site.   Excellent interviews with the 
panel!   And a really excellent overview of the exhibition by Allen 
Packwood.

I was present at the reception on 7 June at The Morgan Library & Museum.   
Never thought that I, as someone *very *insignificant, would ever attend 
such a wonderful event.   Thanks to the Churchill Centre and The Morgan, 
for a great job!

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan


On Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:13:27 PM UTC-4, Winston Canada wrote:
>
> Here is a link to an interesting program that ran on the Charlie Rose TV 
> show a few days ago, in conjunction with the opening of the outstanding 
> Morgan Library “Churchill:  The Power of Words” exhibit.  It includes Celia 
> Sandys, David Reynolds, Peter Clarke and Alan Watson.
>
>  
>
> http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12407
>
>  
>
> And for anyone who may not have seen it, here is the New York Times review 
> of the exhibit:
>
>  
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/09/arts/design/churchill-the-power-of-words-at-the-morgan-library.html
>
>  
>
> The show is very much worth a visit.
>
>  
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Newly declassified photo from Yalta Conference

[PatFinn1940]

Obi-Wan would have told Churchill and FDR: "USE THE FORCE!" on Uncle
Joe!   Great 'discovery!  :)

Pat

On May 31, 7:08 pm, EvanQ  wrote:
> That explains a lot!  Churchill and Roosevelt needed Obi-Wan or Luke on their 
> side.
>
> Evan
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Freeman 
> To: Churchill Chat 
> Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 5:11 pm
> Subject: [ChurchillChat] Newly declassified photo from Yalta Conference
>
> Colleagues,
>
> See interesting photo attached showing the Big Three (or was it the Big 
> Four?) at Yalta.
>
> David
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[ChurchillChat] Re: March Chartwell Bulletin

[PatFinn1940]

I really enjoyed the talk by Allen Packwood at Chartwell!   I loved
how he described Churchill's audacity, and other somewhat 'impulsive'
characteristics.

A friend (and fellow Churchill admirer) remarked to me this week that
he felt those, and simliar character traits, reflected Churchill's
American side.   And I think he's right!   Churchill's own American
grandfather, Leonard Jerome, was a stock speculator in New York during
the Gilded Age--long before the US Securities and Exchange Commission
came into being.   That risk-taking led to great wealth--but it also
led to losing at least three fortunes.

I currently live not far from Leonard Jerome's birthplace, in the
southern foothills of Onondaga County, New York.  And I plan to do
more research on the subject of Churchill's American roots.

Pat Finnegan

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Yet Another Churchill Quote?

[PatFinn1940]

THANKS for posting this; a British friend of mine happened to ask the
same query today.   Great timing!

Pat

On Jan 22, 9:13 am, "Editor, Finest Hour" 
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> http://richardlangworth.com/cruiseship

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Cita Stelzer

[PatFinn1940]

Oh, this sounds like an excellent read!   Just to see the menus would
be worth buying the book!!   When might it be available in the US?

Pat Finnegan

On Dec 15, 3:55 am, "Allen Packwood" 
wrote:
> Dear all,
> Corresponding with Cita Stelzer on a separate issue yesterday, reminded
> me that her new book, Dinner with Churchill, has just been published in
> the UK and has been on the Evening Standard's best seller list these
> past weeks. It is a fascinating look at Churchill's life from an
> entirely different angle: his personal diplomacy at the dinner table
> where he used his formidable gifts of conviviality, intelligence,
> humour, memory, anecdotal ability, hospitality all of which helped him
> to charm and ultimately to persuade his allies of his strategic
> policies.
> Cita's book contains many anecdotes, menus, seating plans and photos,
> many of which have never been seen before, many found in our Archives.
> It's a very good read and perhaps particularly at a time of feasting and
> over indulgence.
>
> Allen

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill inspirational poster

[PatFinn1940]

I LOVE this poster!   Where did you find it?   I'm definitely
downloading it.

Pat
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On Nov 27, 7:52 pm, David Freeman  wrote:
> Colleagues,
>
> Please see attached photo.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> David
>
>  WSC-scissors-beats-paper.jpg
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill Bobblehead Doll

[PatFinn1940]

Now I've seen it all--I want one!!

Pat
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On Oct 20, 8:52 pm, David Freeman  wrote:
> For the collector who has everything:
>  
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Royal-Bobbles-RBWChurchill-Churchill-Bobblehead...

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill Centre conference

[PatFinn1940]

Hi Allen--how I WISH I could attend this conference!   I looked over
the schedule, and see a visit to Chartwell (led by Sir Martin
Gilbert!), and a trip to the 'Havengore' is included.   I hope
that photos and video will be posted for those of us who are unable to
attend!

Pat Finnegan

On Jun 30, 10:21 am, "Allen Packwood" 
wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Just a reminder of the next Churchill Centre conference, to be hosted in
> the UK this October. Today is the last day of the 10% discount on
> certain conference rates. You can book on-line through the website of
> The Churchill Centre (http://www.winstonchurchill.org).
>
> All best wishes,
>
> Allen
>
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Nicholas Soames on Churchill's speechmaking

[PatFinn1940]

Excellent article indeed!   Thank you for sharing it!

On May 4, 3:53 pm, David Freeman  wrote:
> Colleagues,
>  
> This is definately worth reading:
>  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/av-referendum/8493345/Sweat-...

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Eisenhower Portrait of Churchill

[PatFinn1940]

The Pan portrait of WSC was the one I saw in the Churchill War Rooms
in London!   It looks like one that was done as an oil 'sketch':
something that could have been 'filled in' later on.

Pat Finnegan

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Oxford University online course on WSC

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On Mar 28, 12:10 pm, Alex Calvo  wrote:
> 457 USD at today's rate.
>
Thank you, Alex!   It's less than I thought it might be.

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Oxford University online course on WSC

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Oh, this would be an incredible course to take!!!   How much is 285
GBP in US dollars?

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan

On Mar 26, 7:39 pm, Alex Calvo  wrote:
> http://www.conted.ox.ac.uk/courses/details.php?id=V100-12&Category=100

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[ChurchillChat] Churchill meeting with Hitler

[PatFinn1940]

Greetings:

A friend and I were discussing history this week, and the topic came
up about whether there was the potential for Churchill meeting with
Hitler before the war started.   We both know there was talk of it--
but we're racking our brains trying to remember WHEN it was
discussed.   And wasn't there a famous reply from Churchill rejecting
the meeting?

This is driving both of us nuts, trying to remember the exact
context.   Any help is appreciated--THANKS!

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Benjamin Netanyahu and WSC

[PatFinn1940]

An excellent interview, indeed!  Good to see that Churchill is someone
Mr. Netanyahu admires.  Thanks for sharing this!

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan
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On Feb 26, 10:36 am, Jim Lancaster  wrote:
> Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu in front of a photo of
> WSC,
> his greatest British hero.
>
> Good interview of Netanyahu by veteran journalist Charles Moore, former
> editor of the *Daily Telegraph*.
>
> Moore is currently writing the authorised biography of Margaret Thatcher.
>
> Jim Lancaster
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>
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[ChurchillChat] Re: New Executive Directors for Churchill Centre U.S. and U.K.

[PatFinn1940]

This is wonderful news about Allen Packwood!   I met him at Churchill
College in November, during my UK visit.  He showed me some items in
the Churchill Archives, and told me about his work as the Archivist.
And he's a delightful person to boot.

Pat Finnegan
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Why join us at the 27th International Churchill Conference?

[PatFinn1940]

This is incredible!!!   Oh, how I WISH I could go!!!  

Pat Finnegan
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>
> Watch this short video to find
> out
> !
>
> 27th International Churchill Conference
>
> “Churchill in the News”
>
> 24-26 March 2011
>
> To be held in Charleston, SC
>
> Click here for complete registration
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Who Knew Churchill Knew Dr. Who?

[PatFinn1940]

This is hilarious!!   At least the writer got the historical facts
correct...!   Brilliant!

On Dec 15, 9:08 pm, David Freeman  wrote:
> Colleagues,
>  
> The following was submitted to me as an essay on a final exam taken this week:
>  
> "Winston Churchill is most well known for being the British Prime Minister 
> during World War II.  He saw the threat that Adolph Hitler presented to the 
> world, unlike that fool Neville Chamberlain, who thought, 'Now that Hitler 
> seems like a right fine ol' chap.'  Winston Churchill was also responsible 
> for coining the 'iron curtain' phrase regarding communism.  What most people 
> don't know about Churchill is that he was a personal friend of the Doctor, or 
> at least he knew the Doctor well enough to know his phone number and be able 
> to call him in the TARDIS.  Churchill summoned the Doctor during World War II 
> when the Daleks had infiltrated the underground war cabinet masquerading as 
> weapons designed to defeat Hitler by a British scientist who turned out to be 
> an android created by the Daleks and given fake human memories.  Churchill 
> later helped River Song get the painting Vincent Van Gogh made of the TARDIS 
> exploding to the Doctor to warn him of the
>  Pandora opening."

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill DID know Dr. Who and here's the proof!

[PatFinn1940]

Who knew??   And that's no pun!  :)

On Dec 15, 10:53 pm, David Freeman  wrote:
> Colleagues:
>  
> Click on this Youtube link for conclusive video evidence:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RueFey2aPc&feature=channel
>  

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Sidney St: The siege that shook Britain

[PatFinn1940]

When I visited the Churchill War Rooms last month, I saw the very coat
that Churchill wore during the Sidney Street siege.   That was most
impressive!

On Dec 15, 12:06 am, Todd Ronnei  wrote:
> The centennial is next month.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9278000/9278432.stm

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Mail Online pictures : Defacing the Cenotaph, urinating on Churchill... how young thugs at student protest broke every taboo

[PatFinn1940]

When I read this article, and saw the photos, I was absolutely
outraged.   It made me remember my own UK visit--where I photographed
both the Cenotaph and Mr Churchill's statue.   It's left me
heartbroken too.

Pat Finnegan

On Dec 10, 5:07 pm, "Antoine Capet"  wrote:
> Defacing the Cenotaph, urinating on Churchill... how young thugs at student
> protest broke every taboo
>
> Read more:
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337315/TUITION-FEES-VOTE-PRO...

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Visiting the Churchill War Rooms

[PatFinn1940]

Greetings again--

I watched the Churchill funeral DVD last night, and it is
excellent!!   It is from the ITN broadcast, and has clips of the
funeral procession from Westminster Hall to St Paul's, and then to
Bladon itself.

What I found especially interesting were the highlights of the funeral
service itself.   There is a bit of a scary moment, as the Irish
Guards pallbearers are carrying the coffin up the steps to St Paul's:
at the top step, there appears to be a slight shift to the left, and
the bearers are struggling a little with their heavy and priceless
burden.   I kept holding my breath, praying the coffin wouldn't slip
from their grasp.

It also shows the funeral party at Waterloo Station, as the coffin is
borne aboard the train to Bladon.   I don't know who the commentator
is, but he speaks sparingly, but movingly, as the train leaves London
for the last time.   And the scene shifts to the Bladon churchyard, as
the local citizens wait for the funeral party to arrive.   And then
there are scenes after the burial, showing some of the floral tributes
left.   One was from Gamal Abdel Nasser!!!

And then the DVD closes, with the citizens of Bladon being allowed
into the graveyard, to see the floral tributes heaping over the
grave.   It's dark, but the people still come to see.

IMO, I do think it is worth purchasing.   And I do believe there would
be a market for Churchillians in America to buy this DVD.   It'll
definitely be a cherished part of my DVD library.

Pat Finnegan
Syracuse, NY, USA

On Nov 23, 11:30 am, PatFinn1940  wrote:
> Greetings, Antoine and Terry!   I will play the US DVD of the
> Churchill funeral service, and let you all know what it contains.
> The video clips I've seen on YouTube are pretty fuzzy.   But I'll look
> and see if they've been digitized, to improve the picture quality.
>
> And I'll definitely check out the link you sent, Antoine.   Thanks
> again.
>
> Pat Finnegan
> Syracuse, NY, USA
>
> On Nov 22, 12:42 pm, "Antoine Capet"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dear Ms Finnegan,
>
> > For what it is worth, here is a link to my review for H-Museum of the
> > Churchill Museum, as it was called when it opened in 2005.
>
> >http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbrowse.pl?trx=vx&list=h-museum&month=...
>
> > The lay-out and exhibits may have been modified, but hopefully you will
> > recognise some elements seen on your recent visit.
>
> > Many thanks for your enthusisastic account.
>
> > Could you please give more details of the "US DVD copy of Mr. Churchill's
> > funeral service in 1965" which you mention? All I have seen so far is
> > excerpts (including in the Churchill War Rooms).
>
> > Best wishes,
>
> > Antoine Capet
> > (Rouen, France)
>
> > --
> > From: "PatFinn1940" 
> > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 6:11 PM
> > To: "ChurchillChat" 
> > Subject: [ChurchillChat] Visiting the Churchill War Rooms
>
> > > Greetings to my fellow Churchillians!   I recently returned to the US
> > > from an incredible visit to the UK and Belgium.   There were many
> > > highlights to savour and remember--including breakfast with Churchill
> > > biographer Sir Martin Gilbert, at St Pancras Station, and meeting Mr.
> > > Allen Packwood, the Archivist at the Churchill Archives at Churchill
> > > College, Cambridge.   Mr. Packwood showed me several of Churchill's
> > > childhood and young adult letters to his mother, and part of one of
> > > Churchill's photograph albums.
>
> > > I was also able to visit the Churchill War Rooms in London, and found
> > > them to be SO fascinating!   The Imperial War Museum is to be
> > > commended, for all the work they did in restoring the War Rooms; I
> > > really felt like I was part of what was going on in those rooms, in
> > > 1940 and 1941.   I took a whole lot of photographs, and listened
> > > intently to the commentaries on the mobile devices provided.
>
> > > I also visited Ypres, Belgium, from 10-13 November, and saw the plaque
> > > about Mr. Churchill's Great War service, at Ploegsteert, on the city
> > > hall's wall (I think that's what it was).   I wasn't able to get a
> > > photo of that, however; I was on a Great War battlefields tour.
>
> > > Unfortunately, I couldn't get to Blenheim Palace, or to Bladon.   The
> > > logistics of getting to Oxford and back were too much, in the time
> > > allotted.   But I am very hopeful of returning to the UK in the near
> > > future, and putting them on

[ChurchillChat] Re: Visiting the Churchill War Rooms

[PatFinn1940]

Greetings, Antoine and Terry!   I will play the US DVD of the
Churchill funeral service, and let you all know what it contains.
The video clips I've seen on YouTube are pretty fuzzy.   But I'll look
and see if they've been digitized, to improve the picture quality.

And I'll definitely check out the link you sent, Antoine.   Thanks
again.

Pat Finnegan
Syracuse, NY, USA

On Nov 22, 12:42 pm, "Antoine Capet"  wrote:
> Dear Ms Finnegan,
>
> For what it is worth, here is a link to my review for H-Museum of the
> Churchill Museum, as it was called when it opened in 2005.
>
> http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbrowse.pl?trx=vx&list=h-museum&month=...
>
> The lay-out and exhibits may have been modified, but hopefully you will
> recognise some elements seen on your recent visit.
>
> Many thanks for your enthusisastic account.
>
> Could you please give more details of the "US DVD copy of Mr. Churchill's
> funeral service in 1965" which you mention? All I have seen so far is
> excerpts (including in the Churchill War Rooms).
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Antoine Capet
> (Rouen, France)
>
> --
> From: "PatFinn1940" 
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 6:11 PM
> To: "ChurchillChat" 
> Subject: [ChurchillChat] Visiting the Churchill War Rooms
>
>
>
> > Greetings to my fellow Churchillians!   I recently returned to the US
> > from an incredible visit to the UK and Belgium.   There were many
> > highlights to savour and remember--including breakfast with Churchill
> > biographer Sir Martin Gilbert, at St Pancras Station, and meeting Mr.
> > Allen Packwood, the Archivist at the Churchill Archives at Churchill
> > College, Cambridge.   Mr. Packwood showed me several of Churchill's
> > childhood and young adult letters to his mother, and part of one of
> > Churchill's photograph albums.
>
> > I was also able to visit the Churchill War Rooms in London, and found
> > them to be SO fascinating!   The Imperial War Museum is to be
> > commended, for all the work they did in restoring the War Rooms; I
> > really felt like I was part of what was going on in those rooms, in
> > 1940 and 1941.   I took a whole lot of photographs, and listened
> > intently to the commentaries on the mobile devices provided.
>
> > I also visited Ypres, Belgium, from 10-13 November, and saw the plaque
> > about Mr. Churchill's Great War service, at Ploegsteert, on the city
> > hall's wall (I think that's what it was).   I wasn't able to get a
> > photo of that, however; I was on a Great War battlefields tour.
>
> > Unfortunately, I couldn't get to Blenheim Palace, or to Bladon.   The
> > logistics of getting to Oxford and back were too much, in the time
> > allotted.   But I am very hopeful of returning to the UK in the near
> > future, and putting them on my itinerary.   At least I was able to buy
> > a US DVD copy of Mr. Churchill's funeral service in 1965, so I can
> > watch it on my computer.
>
> > And I also bought a copy of "The WIcked Wit of Winston Churchill",
> > which has provided many moments of laughter!
>
> > If anyone wants to hear more about my Cabinet War Rooms visit, please
> > email me.   Thanks for letting me post here; I am always learning
> > something new and interesting about Churchill here!
>
> > Sincerely,
> > (Ms.) Pat Finnegan
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[ChurchillChat] Visiting the Churchill War Rooms

[PatFinn1940]

Greetings to my fellow Churchillians!   I recently returned to the US
from an incredible visit to the UK and Belgium.   There were many
highlights to savour and remember--including breakfast with Churchill
biographer Sir Martin Gilbert, at St Pancras Station, and meeting Mr.
Allen Packwood, the Archivist at the Churchill Archives at Churchill
College, Cambridge.   Mr. Packwood showed me several of Churchill's
childhood and young adult letters to his mother, and part of one of
Churchill's photograph albums.

I was also able to visit the Churchill War Rooms in London, and found
them to be SO fascinating!   The Imperial War Museum is to be
commended, for all the work they did in restoring the War Rooms; I
really felt like I was part of what was going on in those rooms, in
1940 and 1941.   I took a whole lot of photographs, and listened
intently to the commentaries on the mobile devices provided.

I also visited Ypres, Belgium, from 10-13 November, and saw the plaque
about Mr. Churchill's Great War service, at Ploegsteert, on the city
hall's wall (I think that's what it was).   I wasn't able to get a
photo of that, however; I was on a Great War battlefields tour.

Unfortunately, I couldn't get to Blenheim Palace, or to Bladon.   The
logistics of getting to Oxford and back were too much, in the time
allotted.   But I am very hopeful of returning to the UK in the near
future, and putting them on my itinerary.   At least I was able to buy
a US DVD copy of Mr. Churchill's funeral service in 1965, so I can
watch it on my computer.

And I also bought a copy of "The WIcked Wit of Winston Churchill",
which has provided many moments of laughter!

If anyone wants to hear more about my Cabinet War Rooms visit, please
email me.   Thanks for letting me post here; I am always learning
something new and interesting about Churchill here!

Sincerely,
(Ms.) Pat Finnegan

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Bendor

[PatFinn1940]

How bizarre this is!   I hope young Grosvenor didn't look like a
horse!  :)

On Oct 28, 9:19 pm, chateaustegosau...@att.net wrote:
> Probably many of you already know this, but for the benefit of those who 
> don't:
>  
> I've always been mildly intrigued by WSC's friend Bendor, Duke of 
> Westminister.  "Bendor" sounds a bit odd to transatlantic ears, but then so 
> do a lot of otther English names, so didn't give it further thought.
>  
> Until I was doing some heraldry research and came across the case of Scrope 
> vs. Grosvenor in the Earl Marshal's Court circa 1390.  Who had the right to 
> the coat of arms blazoned azure a bend d'or?
>  
> The Grosvenors lost that one, but obviously have long memories as a Grosvenor 
> named a chestnut race hourse of his in the early 1800s Bend D'Or.    Later in 
> the century, a young Grosvenor was born who proved to have the same 
> chestnut-colored hair as the race horse had had.  So he got the nickname 
> "Bendor".
>  
> And there you have it.  You never know where Churchillian tidbits will lead 
> you.
>  
> Jonathan Hayes

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Rare Color Footage of the London Blitz Discovered

[PatFinn1940]

This is marvelous footage!   Who is singing the song in the
background?

Pat Finnegan

On Oct 13, 12:57 pm, John David Olsen 
wrote:
> Here's another one that I found recently, but haven't posted on the website
> yet. Its of Churchill and His Magisty the King reviewing civil defence
> workers in Hyde Park.
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/7980357/Rare-colour-footage...
>
> -john
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:21 AM, PatFinn1940  wrote:
> > This footage is remarkable!   It gives a whole different immediacy to
> > The Blitz.  I wonder how many similar films might also be hiding in
> > other UK attics?
>
> > I will be in the UK beginning 3 November, and plan to visit the
> > Churchill War Rooms.   It'll be one of my 'must-see' sights in
> > London!   Thank you for posting this footage!
>
> > (Ms.) Pat Finnegan
>
> > On Oct 12, 1:17 pm, John David Olsen 
> > wrote:
> > >https://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/in-the-media/churchill-in-the-...
>
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Rare Color Footage of the London Blitz Discovered

[PatFinn1940]

This footage is remarkable!   It gives a whole different immediacy to
The Blitz.  I wonder how many similar films might also be hiding in
other UK attics?

I will be in the UK beginning 3 November, and plan to visit the
Churchill War Rooms.   It'll be one of my 'must-see' sights in
London!   Thank you for posting this footage!

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan

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[ChurchillChat] Re: The New Battle of Britain - Standpoint Magazine

[PatFinn1940]

I agree with Jonathan--anti-Semitism is like a ghastly virus.  One
might think it's gone, but it waits for the 'season' to arise again.
It's both an 'intellectual' and a spiritual disease.   Where is a
younger Churchill when Israel and the Jewish people need him?!?

On Oct 10, 6:58 pm, chateaustegosau...@att.net wrote:
> A somber analysis.  Unfortunately, I must agree with much of it.  In regards 
> to the present lamentable recrudescence of anti-Semitism, both in Europe and 
> the United States, I have always regarded anti-Semitism as an infallible 
> indication of interlectual inferiority.
>  
> Jonathan Hayes
>
> --- On Wed, 10/6/10, Rafal Heydel-Mankoo  wrote:
>
> From: Rafal Heydel-Mankoo 
> Subject: [ChurchillChat] The New Battle of Britain - Standpoint Magazine
> To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 10:24 AM
>
> The latest issue of Standpoint Magazine features, on its cover page, an 
> illustration of Churchill in Homburg and bears the title "The New Battle of 
> Britain". The feature article, by Daniel Johnson, is entitled: "Why the World 
> Needs a Younger 
> Winston": http://standpointmag.co.uk/features-oct-10-the-world-needs-a-younger-...
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[ChurchillChat] Re: A Behind-the-Scenes Tour of the Churchill War Rooms

[PatFinn1940]

This is a marvelous tour--I am looking forward to visiting it during
my own UK trip in early November!

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan

On Aug 30, 11:08 am, Jonathan Sandys 
wrote:
> That looks really great!
>
> On Aug 27, 1:04 pm, John David Olsen 
> wrote:
>
> > The Churchill Centre's own Phil Reed gives a behind-the-scenes tour of the
> > Churchill War Rooms.
>
> >https://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/in-the-media/churchill-centre-...
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> > -john
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Outraged, amused, or..?

[PatFinn1940]

Words fail me, in expressing my dismay and disgust!   It is PC run
amok (and I'm a non-smoker)!

While I am here: I am planning a UK visit this coming November, and
want to visit as many Churchill-related sites as possible (my travel
dates are the first two weeks of November).   Any and all assistance
is welcome!

Thanks!

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan

On Jul 14, 9:32 pm, Geoff Zimmerman  wrote:
> What do you think of this?
>  Geoff Zimmerman
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[ChurchillChat] Re: WSC--Hope

[PatFinn1940]

I do like that 'Deserve Victory' poster!   Is there any way to get a
copy of it?

And I do agree with Mr. Geschke: there needs to be a way of thinking
'outside the box', in regards to our current enemies.   And I also
think that Mr. Churchill would be in the forefront of that thinking!

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan
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On Dec 31, 9:25 am, richard geschke  wrote:
> Victory in the context of Churhill's time represents the last of the European 
> imperialistic conflicts.  What we have today is the same threat but packaged 
> and utilized in a much different way.  The ways to Victory must utilize 
> different approaches to dealing with terrorism utilizing better intelligence 
> and world cooperation, not one nation bearing the load.  The same principles 
> of Allied cooperation must be utilized using 21st Century technology and 
> thinking outside the box to get "Victory".  Old imperialistic attitudes and 
> old counterinsurgency methods are no longer the way to do it.  If Winston 
> were here today, I think he would agree with me.
>
> Richard C. Geschk
>
> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 04:44:22 -0600
> Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] WSC--Hope
> From: jonlellenb...@gmail.com
> To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
>
> I don't wish to be a dog in the manger, but I think Mr. Churchill would feel 
> the attached wartime poster conveys his view of life and adversity better 
> than a reprise of the poster for the politician who returned his statue in 
> the White House to the British Government.  I had a copy of this poster from 
> the Imperial War Museum that I put up in my office at the Pentagon after 9/11 
> (a replacement office, my special ops bureau there having lost our original 
> offices in the attack), and it is now with me in retirement in Chicago.  Let 
> us all pray we Deserve Victory in our struggles in the new year, and not 
> simply Hope for it.  Special Forces and SEALs who worked for me in that 
> office at the Pentagon are still in harm's way in Afghanistan and elsewhere 
> today, far from their families in this holiday season.
>
> Jon Lellenberg
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:22 PM, David Freeman  
> wrote:
>
> Colleagues,
>
> HOPE you enjoy the attached picture.  It should give us all HOPE for the New 
> Year.
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Have a seat . . . ratty WSC sofa sold

[PatFinn1940]

This is some nasty-looking sofa, isn't it?   Looks like someone
bounced on it for years and years!   My question would be: would the
new owner want to get it reupholstered, or leave it the way it is?

Pat Finnegan

On Jul 27, 10:05 pm, Todd Ronnei  wrote:
> Demonstrating that there's no limit to what anything connected to
> Churchill will bring, a decrepit sofa that may have been in Churchill's
> office sold for £7,500:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/northamptonshire/8170016.stm

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[ChurchillChat] Churchill Funeral on DVD

[PatFinn1940]

I have a question for you all: does anyone know where there might be a
DVD of Churchill's State Funeral?   I've seen clips of the procession
and service on YouTube, but not the complete service.  I remember
watching the service myself when I was a child, but don't remember
many specifics.   Any assistance you can give will be welcome.   Thank
you!

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[ChurchillChat] Re: No Lunch with Churchill

[PatFinn1940]

OMG--this is priceless!!   Wonder what the German who first noticed
WSC's portrait said to his friends?   WOW!   Thanks for sharing
this article!

Pat Finnegan
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On Jul 11, 5:56 pm, Todd Ronnei  wrote:
> Germans in Scotland go hungry
>
> http://tinyurl.com/kotp69

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[ChurchillChat] Re: D-Day photos

[PatFinn1940]

Beautiful photos, indeed!   Thank you for sharing them.

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan

On Jun 4, 4:05 pm, "jimlancaster"  wrote:
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> of Quentin Roosevelt and his elder brother Theodore Roosevelt, side by side 
> at the American cemetery at Omaha Beach in Normandy.
>
> If any American member of ChurchillChat has a friend or relative whose 
> gravestone is at the Omaha Beach cemetery or the St. James cemetery in 
> Normandy, and would like me to take a photo, gratis, please send me an email 
> at j...@jrlancaster.com.
>
> This message is primarily for Americans. This is because Canadians, British 
> and all nationalities where the gravestones are located in Commonwealth War 
> Graves Commission (CWGC) cemeteries can see the images online at the CWGC 
> website -www.cwgc.org
>
> The CWGC initiated this major project two years ago. Currently photographs 
> have been taken of all the gravestones in Europe, but not yet the rest of the 
> world. The CWGC's database lists the 1.7 million men and women of the 
> Commonwealth forces who died during the two world wars, and who are 
> commemorated in 23,000 cemeteries throughout the world.
>
> My message to any American members of ChurchillChat who would like me to take 
> a photo of the gravestone of a friend or relative in one of the Normandy 
> cemeteries, is to send me an email with the name of the person and the 
> location of the cemetery.
>
> Jim Lancaster
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Buchanan Redux

[PatFinn1940]

This looks like a fantastic debate!   I wish I could be in London to
see this too--especially to cheer Sir Martin on.  :)   I hope there's
a transcript published here for those who can't be there in person.

Pat Finnegan
Syracuse, NY

On May 12, 12:54 pm, "Editor/Finest Hour" 
wrote:
> >>How seriously can O'Reilly damage Churchill's reputation?  I'd rather see 
> >>someone take on Mr. Buchanan.  :) >>
>
> We already did; see David Freeman, "A Polemic, Not a History" in
> Finest Hour 139.
>
> But there's more fun to come, and it will be like shooting fish in a
> barrel. From FH 142 Ampersand column, by Paul Courtenay, upcoming:
>
> At 7 pm on Thursday 3 September—the 70th anniversary of the outbreak
> of World War II—Intelligence Squared will be hosting a debate at the
> Royal Geographical Society in Exhibition Road, London, on the motion:
> “This House believes Winston Churchill was more of a liability than an
> asset in the Second World War.” Professor Norman Stone and Pat
> Buchanan will be proposing the motion and Sir Martin Gilbert,
> Professor Anthony Beevor and Andrew Roberts will be opposing it. We
> look forward to this as much as Churchill and Lloyd George did to
> confronting the Commons old boys in 1905. Tickets to this blessed
> event are available fromwww.intelligencesquared.com.

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[ChurchillChat] Re: New name for Fulton Memorial?

[PatFinn1940]

I think the chosen name's a good one, IMO.   Does anyone know if
there's any other US national memorial to Winston Churchill?

On May 4, 11:54 pm, Todd Ronnei  wrote:
> Efforts are underway to change the name of the Churchill Memorial and
> Library on the Westminster College campus:
>
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[ChurchillChat] Re: Book Recommendation

[PatFinn1940]

Hi Sandy--I love "In Search of Churchill", too!   Sir Martin has
wonderful stories to tell: not just of meeting people who knew and
worked with Churchill, but he also shares a little of his own
background.   Some of these stories are very amusing. :)

Sir Martin and I have a very enjoyable email correspondence going.  I
learn more about him as a person every day.   He's been kind enough to
send me several of his books as 'author's gifts'.   I hope someday to
meet him in person.

Pat Finnegan
Syracuse, NY
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On Apr 20, 4:51 pm, "Sandy Finlayson"  wrote:
> One of my favorite Churchill books of all time is Martin Gilbert's In
> Search of Churchill  
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Search-Churchill-Historians-Journey/dp/0471180726/
> ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240260605&sr=1-1
>
> It is a well written, fast paced book that I have read and read again.
>
> Sandy
>
> 
> Mr. Sandy Finlayson
> Director of Library Services &
> Professor of Theological Bibliography
> Westminster Theological Seminary
> Philadelphia, PA
>
> 'Nothing makes a man more reverent than a library'
>
> Sir Winston Churchill
>
>   _  
>
> From: ChurchillChat@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:churchillc...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Manning
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:38 PM
> To: ChurchillChat@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: Book Recommendation
>
> John Keegan's biography on Churchill is a good read. It's just over 200
> pages and is a fast read. Keegan (British) starts out with his discovery
> in 1950's that Americans found Churchill's words inspiring. This
> ultimately led him to write the book. I've given it as a gift to several
> people.
>
> Scott Manning
> Philadelphia, PAhttp://www.digitalsurvivors.com/
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:19 PM, James T. Slattery
>
>  wrote:
>
> I founded and operate a men's only book club 
> athttp://www.he-manwomanhatersclub.net
>
> We read books about manly men doing manly things in a manly way.  I want
> to feature a book about Churchill for our meeting in June.
>
> The book has to be a moderate length read with action and it has to be
> available through major book sellers.  
>
> I will appreciate any recommendations.
>
> Thank you,
>
> jim
>
> James (Jim) T. Slattery
> Founder, The Churchill Centre South Texas

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Martin Gilbert Wins Bradley Prize

[PatFinn1940]

This is FANTASTIC news for Sir Martin!   He well deserves such an
honor.   He and I have been corresponding now for over a year, and I
wrote to congratulate him.   He tells me he received notice of the
award while in Warsaw (he, his wife and a film crew were on a month-
long "Righteous Diplomats" search, for a documentary on various
diplomats who rescued Jews from Europe, just before WW2 broke out)--
via email!

Sir Martin has never been to the Kennedy Center before; I have myself,
so I told him he was in for a treat!   How I wish I could see him
receive this award.   Thank you for sharing this article,
Suzanne!

Sincerely,
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[ChurchillChat] Re: history

[PatFinn1940]

Hello everyone--I just joined the Churchill Chat today!   And I'm
excited about joining in the discussion, if I can.

I couldn't believe what I read above, about this 'PC change' in the UK
school system.   How can children become interested in REAL history,
if they're not taught about it in the early years???   That's how I
became a history 'nut'--I remember first reading about the Second
World War (and Churchill) as early as the fifth grade!   And I also
remember feeling very moved, while watching Churchill's funeral on TV,
even as a kid.

One has to catch the kids' attention about history as early as
possible.   Is there some shame about teaching young children about
their own history?   I am so sick to death of PC 'education' :(

BTW (and I hope I am not too far off-topic): I am in the process of
starting a Web site about Churchill's maternal grandfather, Leonard
Jerome.   I discovered he was born in Pompey, New York (which isn't
far from where I live in Syracuse, NY).   Last week I was in Palmyra,
NY, which is between Syracuse and Rochester, and found the church
where Leonard and Clara Jerome were married!   I also met a local
gentleman who is a huge Churchill expert; he does presentations on
Churchill for various kinds of groups.

I also have a running correspondence going with Sir Martin Gilbert.
He's sent me his one-volume Churchill bio, plus some of his other
works (First and Second World War, "The Righteous", and "A History of
Israel").

Anyway: forgive me for this 'shameless self-promotion'.   Please let
me know if I'm off-base.  And thanks again for letting me join!

(Ms.) Pat Finnegan

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> Oh please.
>
> In my school we only every got to Teddy Roosevelt.  We never had and  recent
> history at all.
>
> The only way I learned anything was on my own.  I didn't go to some  crummy
> school either.  I took AP history American and European.
>
> The reality is that kids are not going to learn what they need in  schools.  
> Sad - but true.  They need to be interested enough to read  outside school.  
>
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