Re: [CinCV] www.linuxvideo.org (?) to bring the world of linuxvideo together....!!?!

[Fred Williams]

Oh.  I hadn't seen that one.

On December 19, 2008 09:07:09 am Kurt Georg Hooss wrote:
> erm... i was referring to that guy
> who occupied the linuxvideo.org domain...
> and the question of how to get it back to where it belongs...
>
> On Friday 19 December 2008 12:22:59 Fred Williams wrote:
> > On December 19, 2008 05:03:26 am Kurt Georg Hooss wrote:
> > > sure you are right.
> > > a more practical question is how to deal with this.
> > > appeal to common sense? explain the benefits of open sources?
> > > or just let him go with it?
> >
> > Yeah, for newbies, it's a bit of a messy jungle of apps that
> > don't do what is needed, and you have different apps for
> > different steps of the process.  Part of the problem is all the
> > diferent formats for files and things like "Save" not saving the
> > video, but rather saving the project.
> > It looks and feel like it's rather amateurish code to them.  A
> > big enhancement would be to get the capture function working in
> > Cinelerra.  It doesn't inspire confidence to say, "Oh that
> > doesn't work yet."
> > I remember when I was making a DVD last summer that there was
> > some real help and support from this group and when it really
> > worked for me, that was a great experience.  Yeah, it would be
> > great to have everything under one roof so users could capture,
> > edit, render and burn DVDs all under one interface with an
> > intuitive menu structure. Then it starts to look attractive.
> > In the mean time, I think hand-holding is good and directing
> > people to appropiate documentation is a big help.  For me
> > emphasising that while there is a lot to learn, the up side is
> > that you get to learn it and the knowledge is power.  However I
> > am often motivated by different things compared with other
> > people.  For the general public I suspect they want things as
> > simple as possible and the computer does all the work.



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Re: [CinCV] www.linuxvideo.org (?) to bring the world of linuxvideo together....!!?!

[Fred Williams]

On December 19, 2008 05:03:26 am Kurt Georg Hooss wrote:
> sure you are right.
> a more practical question is how to deal with this.
> appeal to common sense? explain the benefits of open sources?
> or just let him go with it?

Yeah, for newbies, it's a bit of a messy jungle of apps that don't do 
what is needed, and you have different apps for different steps of 
the process.  Part of the problem is all the diferent formats for 
files and things like "Save" not saving the video, but rather saving 
the project.
It looks and feel like it's rather amateurish code to them.  A big 
enhancement would be to get the capture function working in 
Cinelerra.  It doesn't inspire confidence to say, "Oh that doesn't 
work yet."  
I remember when I was making a DVD last summer that there was some 
real help and support from this group and when it really worked for 
me, that was a great experience.  Yeah, it would be great to have 
everything under one roof so users could capture, edit, render and 
burn DVDs all under one interface with an intuitive menu structure.  
Then it starts to look attractive.  
In the mean time, I think hand-holding is good and directing people 
to appropiate documentation is a big help.  For me emphasising that 
while there is a lot to learn, the up side is that you get to learn 
it and the knowledge is power.  However I am often motivated by 
different things compared with other people.  For the general public 
I suspect they want things as simple as possible and the computer 
does all the work.


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Re: [CinCV] www.linuxvideo.org (?) to bring the world of linuxvideo together....!!?!

[Fred Williams]

On December 18, 2008 07:28:38 am Kurt Georg Hooss wrote:
> seems like a fundamental law of economics:
> where ever there is a common good, there are parasites too.
> this is the reason why communism did not work (so far).
>
Lets not start that on this list, or we'll go seriously off topic.
It's like waving a rfed flag in front of us socialists.
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Re: [CinCV] Help needed...

[Fred Williams]

I had run K3b many times before i realised that under the buttons in 
the startup window is a bar with "Further Actions" in it.  My eyes 
had just never taken this in, and it was like a whole new application 
when I found it, (with somebody's advice).
I just wanted to mention this in case someone else out there is as 
unobservant as I am.  K3b is really quite powerrful.

Peace, Fred

On December 9, 2008 05:12:51 pm E Chalaron wrote:
> Mind K3b,
> I had all sorts of issues to get a DVD to play on a standalone
> player later on.
>
> Cheers
> E
>
> schoappied wrote:
> > Thanks guys, I fixed it with avidemux and dvdstyler and k3b...
> > pfieuw, after almost a week trying all kind of apps...
> >
> > I'm happy that this story has a good end...
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >


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Re: [CinCV] [Bug 523] New: cant install on Ubuntu Version 8.1

[Fred Williams]

On November 21, 2008 09:27:03 pm 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> http://bugs.cinelerra.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523
>
>Summary: cant install on Ubuntu Version 8.1
>Product: Cinelerra
>Version: 2.1
>   Platform: PC
> OS/Version: Linux
> Status: NEW
>   Severity: normal
>   Priority: Medium
>  Component: Building
> AssignedTo: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
> ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-get install cinelerra
> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13
> Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory
> (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get

Try:
$ sudo apt-get install cinelerra
and then add your password.

I use synaptic myself although I haven't done it with 8.10
We don't call it "8.1" because the ".10" refers to October, the tenth 
month of the year when the releases are released.  The other one is 
April.  So in April, 2009, we will have the 9.04 release.
I have continued with the 8.04 version of Ubuntu, because it will be 
supported longer and I don't need the new bells and whistles of the 
8.10 release.


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Re: [CinCV] Weird playback phenomenum.

[Fred Williams]

On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 00:20 +0200, Raffaella Traniello wrote:
> Hi Fred!
> 
> > Has anybody seen this?  I open a video file and try to play it back.
> > At first, watching the compositor screen it looks like it's in slow
> > motion, but then looking down at the program window I see the curser,
> > (vertical line), sweeping the same area again and again, only moving
> > forward marginally once in a while in what seems like a moastly random
> > fashion.  Of course tehre's no sound with this.
> 
> Yes, I've seen it now and then.
> I never looked at it in details, but in my case it is related to the
> Audio Driver I choose: ESound seems to be the worst, Alsa (with "Stop
> playback locks up"checkbox enabled) the best.
> 
> Ciao!
> Raffaella

Excellent.  It's working perfectly and it would have taken me ages to
find it.  I thought I had ALSA set, but it was on OSS for some reason.
I would never set it to that in my wildest dreams.  Don't know how it
happened.  Anyway, thanks a lot.

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[CinCV] Weird playback phenomenum.

[Fred Williams]

Has anybody seen this?  I open a video file and try to play it back.
At first, watching the compositor screen it looks like it's in slow
motion, but then looking down at the program window I see the curser,
(vertical line), sweeping the same area again and again, only moving
forward marginally once in a while in what seems like a moastly random
fashion.  Of course tehre's no sound with this.
I have a Core 2 Duo processor and 2 Gigs of memory.  Until yesterday it
worked fine.  i did a re-install of Cinelerra, (on my Kubuntu system),
and there was no improvement, although this just re-installed the
cinelerra routine itself, and no dependencies.  Is tehre a way to get it
tto do a re-instal of the whole cinelerra system?

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Re: [CinCV] ubuntu repository problem

[Fred Williams]

On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 01:12 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
> thanks to christian is ready a mirror on cinelerra.org
> 
> do:
> 


> for hardy:
> 
> sudo wget http://akirad.cinelerra.org/dists/hardy.list -O 
> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/akirad.list
> |wget -q http://akirad.cinelerra.org/dists/akirad.key -O- | sudo apt-key 
> add - && sudo apt-get update

OK I've done that on my Hardy system, (Apparently there is no | before
the second wget command, but I was suspicious of that from the start.
That repository seems to be in the file alright and I'll give the update
a try.
.
.
.
Hmmm. Just like before, the first thing the update wants to do is
uninstall Cinelerra.  That's crap.  The one thing I want to keep in
Cinelerra.  It's got no business telling me which programs I can run and
which I can't.
I'm going to uninstall Gnome and see if that helps.


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Re: [CinCV] ubuntu repository problem

[Fred Williams]

On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 09:07 -0400, John Bintz wrote:
> Damiano Pellicciotta wrote:
> > I'm trying to add the repository for Ubuntu but it doesn't work:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo wget 
> > http://repository.akirad.net/dists/hardy.list -O
> > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/akirad.list
> > --11:49:39--  http://repository.akirad.net/dists/hardy.list
> >=> `/etc/apt/sources.list.d/akirad.list'
> > Risoluzione di repository.akirad.net in corso... 66.7.206.3
> > Connessione a repository.akirad.net|66.7.206.3:80... connesso.
> > HTTP richiesta inviata, aspetto la risposta... 403 Forbidden
> > 11:49:39 ERRORE 403: Forbidden.
> I had the same problem.  When I visit the repository in the browser, it 
> says the account's been temporarily suspended.

Is that why the Ubuntu updater keeps trying to uninstall Cinelerra?
I'm getting upset with it.  Almost ready to try a different distro, but
I'll give it another day.  I've switched from Gnome to KDE and haven't
deleted Gnome yet.  I don't want to be hasty, but Ubuntu is giving me
problems as of a couple of weeks ago.

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Re: [CinCV] Building final output.

[Fred Williams]

Thank-you people,
With your help recently I was able to burn my first DVD today and I'm
editing for content tonight.  This was a political speech shot under
horrible lighting conditions and I'm ashamed of the quality, but there
were constraints and what I'm happy about is that now I can make DVDs.
(Think Kermit the frog waving his arms in the air going, "YA!!!)
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[CinCV] Video Capture

[Fred Williams]

Hello people,
I have Cinelerra installed, but I don't know what version. Anyway, my
problem is in getting video from my JVC GR D750U camcorder, (a mini DV
type).  I am connected by firewire, 1394, and I always used Kino before
to capture the data, but now that I've switched to Hardy, (Ubuntu 8.04),
I get the error message, "Warning: raw1344 kernel modulenot loaded or
failure to read/write /dev/raw1394."
The module appears to be loaded.  I've done a modprobe raw1394 with no
difference in my result.  The file is in /dev and it has root as a group
with rw- privileges.  My userid is part of group root.  So I'm at a loss
to see why I still get the error.  This used to work fine.

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Re: [CinCVS] Fwd: I believe in cinelerra

[Fred Williams]

On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 00:36 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Fred Williams write:
> >> In other words, lots of work that are a pain in the ass but has to be
> >> done in order to advance properly. And passion has a limit. There must
> >> be people getting money to work on that.
> >> 
> > I was with you up to that point.  Money is the root of all evil.  It
> > will totally corrupt the process.  If you want money go to Micro$oft and
> > develop for them.  If you don't, (and I do realise that yopu may not
> > have been referring to yourself), then why would you assume something
> > like this?  If this is to be a true cooperative effort, then let it be a
> > volunteer effort.
> >
> >   
> Is money a root of all evil??? In my opinion "many money" may be a root 
> of evil,
> if users want to pay the work of the developers.. where is the evil?
> 
> Paolo Rampino

It would take some time to go into that and it's very off topic.  The
short answer is, Look at Micro$oft.  If you're really want to get into
it, see my paper, "The Secret of Money: Beyond Socialism" at:
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Re: [CinCVS] Fwd: I believe in cinelerra

[Fred Williams]

On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 19:34 +0100, Richard Spindler wrote:
> -- Forwarded message --

> The Plan
> 
> 1. Get the community together
> 
> The community of developers today is very small and spread, and
> cinelerra has no road map.
> 
> First thing to do is gather this people to discuss about the future of
> cinelerra, identify the main flaws and its solution, make a plan to
> organize the place and set up for new features.
> 
> Cinelerra needs a project leader, an interface designer, and more
> people with defined roles that should be choosen on this meeting.
> 
> Developers of other softwares are also welcome. Cinelerra is, so far,
> the only video free editing video editing software with professional
> approach, but it could share a lot of things with other software, such
> as effects, for example, that shoul be usable in any video software,
> just like we have LADSPA for audio. There is already a video effect
> standar called Frei0r that cinelerra does not support.
> 
> 
> 2. Diagnostics
> 
> Cinelerra code is not very well documented, so few people have the
> idea of how tuff is to deal with it. Second step is to see what must
> be done so we can invite more people to colaborate with the code.
> Documentation, refactoring, etc. It also has to work on the API so
> other people can write plugins and effects.
> 
> In other words, lots of work that are a pain in the ass but has to be
> done in order to advance properly. And passion has a limit. There must
> be people getting money to work on that.
> 
I was with you up to that point.  Money is the root of all evil.  It
will totally corrupt the process.  If you want money go to Micro$oft and
develop for them.  If you don't, (and I do realise that yopu may not
have been referring to yourself), then why would you assume something
like this?  If this is to be a true cooperative effort, then let it be a
volunteer effort.

> 
> 3. Make a plan
> 
>  Based on the diagnostics and on researches with users and other video
> editing tools, define how cinelerra will look and act in a not so
> distant future. With that goal in mind, make a reasonable plan to make
> it happen.
> 
To "do it right" people should decide what it will include and what is
needed to be a serious editor 2 or 3 years down the road.  (We've had
plenty of suggestions, as we all know,... maybe there'll be others).
Then a team must figure out how to make that happen.  With that secure
plan in place then implementation can start.

> 3. Set up a core development team
> 
> No secret here. Few people dedicated to make it happen, including an
> interface designer.
> 
> 4. Bounties
> 
> The core team can offer bounties for parts of the job they choose.
> This will attracat more developers to the community.
> 
I disagree.

> 5. Attract contributors
> 
> Mantain a nice looking website, a wiki, tools for easy translation of
> the interface and of the online documentation, etc. are goos
> strategies to attract people to contribute. Its also important to find
> people to package the software for different distributions.
> 
Fine a wiki for the developers and a web site are good ideas.
Developers may come and go and getting them up to speed on the project
requires documentation and possibly training.  Internal communications
is vital and every developer should be in almost constant contact with
the group to make sure everybody's on the same project and knows what is
going on.  This synergistic culture is vital to such a team.  It's in
everybody's interest that all the other team members understand the
project perfectly.  Time spent bringing a new member up to speed is not
wasted.  A developer's bulletin board is essential.  Well defined
standard interfaces for code is also essential and design changes must
be tracked and approved by the core development team.  Things like that
ensure a solid program.
I could get behind a project like that.

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Re: [CinCVS] [Bug 305] utf-8 support

[Fred Williams]

On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 16:27 +0100, Stefan de Konink wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
> 
> Fred Williams schreef:
> > On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 16:07 +0100, Stefan de Konink wrote:
> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >> Hash: SHA512
> >>
> >> Fred Williams schreef:
> >>>   I am not so sure that this is specific to Cinelerra.  I see the same
> >>> problem on Usenet when reading postings from Latin America.  If someone
> >>> has a fix, it would be great.
> >> What is the output of:
> >>
> >> env | grep LC_ALL
> >>
> >>
> >> If it is POSIX or C, try to get an UTF-8 enabled system :)
> > 
> > It gives me nothing at all.  I do have a line that says:
> > LANG=en_CA.UTF-8
> 
> type:
> 
> export LC_ALL=en_CA.UTF-8

Thanks!
That seems to have done it.  I haven't given it a good test yet, but it
looks lie it's doing it.  I now see a "'" instead of a "b" for the
apostrophe.  Now will that work for the original poster in Cinelerra?

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Re: [CinCVS] [Bug 305] utf-8 support

[Fred Williams]

On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 16:07 +0100, Stefan de Konink wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
> 
> Fred Williams schreef:
> > I am not so sure that this is specific to Cinelerra.  I see the same
> > problem on Usenet when reading postings from Latin America.  If someone
> > has a fix, it would be great.
> 
> What is the output of:
> 
> env | grep LC_ALL
> 
> 
> If it is POSIX or C, try to get an UTF-8 enabled system :)

It gives me nothing at all.  I do have a line that says:
LANG=en_CA.UTF-8

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Re: [CinCVS] [Bug 305] utf-8 support

[Fred Williams]

On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 14:58 +0100,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> http://bugs.cinelerra.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Comment #3 from [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-01-14 14:58 +2 ---
> Hi! I have this problem in my cinelerra, i live into the Brazil and I use the
> cinelerra , but the keys of accent no it works , instead of their appears the
> letter Q, R, S & etc. thank you
> 
> (In reply to comment #0)
> > Hi!
> > 
> > When I was exploring Cinelerra's ability to add titles, I discovered that 
> > there
> > is no support for utf-8 (Unicode) encoding in Title's Encoding combo box, 
> > there
> > is no support for utf-8 encoding and if I choose eg. latin-2 encoding for
> > entering Croatian chars, all I get are latin-1 characters.
> > 
> > Since utf-8 encodong & Unicode are more & more present on today's desktops, 
> > here
> > I'm humbly submitting feature request whether it is possible to add utf-8
> > support to Cinelerra?
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > Gour

I am not so sure that this is specific to Cinelerra.  I see the same
problem on Usenet when reading postings from Latin America.  If someone
has a fix, it would be great.


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Re: [CinCVS] Sound with Motion JPEG in AVI.

[Fred Williams]

I don't know how to separate it from the video.  I have a web site
where I could put a piece of it.  You'd naturally agree not to keep a
copy, as it's sort of valuable and rare, if it weren't for the noise.

Fred W.

On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 19:37 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> could you upload somewhere a small portion of that audiofile?
> 
> >
> > On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 12:51 +0100, Florian Cramer wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, January 08 2008, 06:23 (-0500), Fred Williams wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 22:08 -0800, Craig Lawson wrote:
> >> > > Fred,
> >> > >
> >> > > By "noise" do you mean it was recorded in a noisy environment,
> >> > > or the noise for some reason is only audible in Cinelerra and
> >> > > not in other players?
> >> > >
> >> >  It's not on the original and I can play it with gxine without the noise
> >> > at all.  Only in Cinelerra do I get the noise.
> >>
> >> Could it be that you set audio output to 8 bit instead of 16 bit in the
> >> Cinelerra preferences?
> >
> > I notice no difference between 8 or 16.  24 makes it less noisy, but
> > the sound virtually dissappears.  It's going the wrong way.  I think
> > it's must be something else.
> >
> > --
> > Warmest Regards,
> > Fred Williams
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Re: [CinCVS] Sound with Motion JPEG in AVI.

[Fred Williams]

On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 12:51 +0100, Florian Cramer wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 08 2008, 06:23 (-0500), Fred Williams wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 22:08 -0800, Craig Lawson wrote:
> > > Fred,
> > > 
> > > By "noise" do you mean it was recorded in a noisy environment, 
> > > or the noise for some reason is only audible in Cinelerra and 
> > > not in other players?
> > > 
> > It's not on the original and I can play it with gxine without the noise
> > at all.  Only in Cinelerra do I get the noise.
> 
> Could it be that you set audio output to 8 bit instead of 16 bit in the
> Cinelerra preferences?

I notice no difference between 8 or 16.  24 makes it less noisy, but
the sound virtually dissappears.  It's going the wrong way.  I think
it's must be something else.

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Re: [CinCVS] Sound with Motion JPEG in AVI.

[Fred Williams]

On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 22:08 -0800, Craig Lawson wrote:
> Fred,
> 
> By "noise" do you mean it was recorded in a noisy environment, 
> or the noise for some reason is only audible in Cinelerra and 
> not in other players?
> 
It's not on the original and I can play it with gxine without the noise
at all.  Only in Cinelerra do I get the noise.


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[CinCVS] Sound with Motion JPEG in AVI.

[Fred Williams]

Hello People,
I have some footage, (meterage?), I took with my Fujifilm S9000 and
it's in Motion JPEG in an AVI wrapper.  It was put onto the disc by
Kino, if memory serves and now when I open the files with Cinelerra,
there is a lot of noise over the sound which is just audible in the
background.  Is there a way that I can edit this and have good sound as
well.  It's an interview and some on-ice video with a famous figure
skater, and it is worth saving.

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Re: [CinCVS] WHERE CINELERRA IS GOING? ...anyone? proposal for CinelerraCV 2 maintenace

[Fred Williams]

On Wed, 2007-15-08 at 21:20 +0300, Mikko Huhtala wrote:
> Christian Thaeter writes:
>  > This my maybe arguable view how to hive Cinelerra CV out of its
>  > develoment stall:
>  > 
>  > 1) Change the focus of CinelerraCV
> [ ... ]
>  > 2) Stop using SVN
> [ ... ]
>  > 3) Make releases
> [ ... ]
>  > 4) Make tracking HV less important
> 
Just gently to put my oar in again, I guess there are some good
motivations for doing this, although I liked the "black" nature of the
interface and thought it looked very professional from the start, and
any of those changes are in the future, I understand.
I just wonder if this might involve the demise of Cinelerra if you
start a massive rewrite of the program, decoupling it from HV, then what
happens to the CV version of things?  Does it end here?
Why not write a separate Video Editor with a *new name*, if it's going
to be so different in structure and allow the current Cinelerra to
continue, both HV an CV.  I've come to like it and I fear that you might
not get enough coders to successfully develop the new version and we'll
wind up with lots of half developed lines none of which function well if
at all and no really good freeware video editor.  Maybe I'm seeing this
wrongly, but it's just the impression I get from reading the recent
posts,... like I've seen this scenario on other projects and it usually
ends up badly, not always, of course.  Just a thought.


> Hear hear. I've been reading this thread and this is precisely what I
> would have liked to have said, but I'm not a developer so it's not my
> place to say. But even to an outsider, it seems that both
> communication and code exchange with HV is much, much too infrequent,
> and that this is holding things back.
> 
Well, that could be.



> I _like_ the concept and efficiency of the Cinelerra interface, but
> the GUI is ugly, hard to read and feels needlessly foreign in places
> where it could easily follow the conventions of common Linux apps
> (e.g. GNOME / KDE human interface guidelines).

You mean like putting "preferences" under the edit menu and stuff like
that.  Yes that would be progressive.

>  This is about much more
> than looking pretty, it truly is about usability and following
> interface conventions. I think there is a lot of low-hanging fruit
> that Cinelerra could pick relatively easily. It wouldn't be necessary
> to change toolkits or anything.

Could be nice, but is this what is falling under the category of human
interface, which won't be touched for a couple of years.  Fine, it can
be good to get requests in early, but they may not remember it by then.
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Re: [CinCVS] WHERE CINELERRA IS GOING? ...anyone?

[Fred Williams]

On Wed, 2007-15-08 at 00:21 +0200, Herman Robak wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:32:01 +0200, Edouard Chalaron  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Well I am sorry, but the way icons look is of the last relevance
> >
> > I don't work better because icons look better. They could look better
> > but I could not care less either.
> 
>   Same here.  But people _will_ complain about the things they see,
> perceive or understand.  So we will keep hearing complaints about
> the colours and the icons until they become more in style with the
> flavour of the month.

Well, I don't write here often, but it doesn't bode well for the future
of the product if developers don't care about things that the end users
want to see.  It makes me nervous about what might become of Cinelerra.
Keep the good stuff, please, because I like the thing.  If there's
streamlining that can be done, great, but the interface, icons
notwithstanding, has been good.  I like working with it, what little
I've done, and I don't want to have to stop and learn a new system.  For
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Re: [CinCVS] cinlerra help

[Fred Williams]

On Wed, 2007-27-06 at 23:22 -0400, John Haiducek wrote:
> On Jun 27, 2007, at 20:20, Fred Williams wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2007-27-06 at 19:48 -0400, Douglas Pollard wrote:
> >> I would like to install Cinelerra with synaptic in Ubuntu 7.04  
> >> feisty.
> >> How do I get synaptic to find it. If I can find it I can install oK.
> >>  Doug
> >
> > I went to the site:
> > <http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/README>
> > and followed the instructions.
> >
> > It took a few attempts to get the "deb" repository entered correctly,
> > and I don't remember if I entered it through synaptic or not.  I  
> > think I
> > had to edit the sources.list file manually using sudo privileges.  Be
> > careful doing this.  I entered the whole line for my processor type
> > including the ./ at the end.  It seemed to work.
> 
> If it seemed to work then it probably did...if you had it wrong then  
> you wouldn't be able to install cinelerra and apt would complain when  
> you tried to reload the packages list.
> 
> If you use synaptic there's an another way besides manually editing  
> sources.list. Start synaptic and open the Repositories dialog (on the  
> Settings menu). On the "Third-Party Software" tab click the "Add"  
> button. Paste in whatever apt line you have (probably "deb  http:// 
> giss.tv/~vale/ubuntuopengl/ ./")
> 
> Wether you've put it in sources.list manually or used the GUI, click  
> "Reload" and cinelerra should show up on the packages list.

Yes, John, that's the way it's supposed to work, and I can't remember
if I got the repository in there like that, but I seem to remember that
the "Reload" wouldn't run afterwards.
By editing the sources.list file manually and entering the commands
from a terminal command line everything worked well.
It may have been I did something wrongly with synaptic and it's error
checking is more strict than apt-get, but that's what worked for me.

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Re: [CinCVS] cinlerra help

[Fred Williams]

On Wed, 2007-27-06 at 19:48 -0400, Douglas Pollard wrote:
> I would like to install Cinelerra with synaptic in Ubuntu 7.04 feisty.  
> How do I get synaptic to find it. If I can find it I can install oK.
>  Doug

I went to the site:
<http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/ubuntu/README>
and followed the instructions.  

It took a few attempts to get the "deb" repository entered correctly,
and I don't remember if I entered it through synaptic or not.  I think I
had to edit the sources.list file manually using sudo privileges.  Be
careful doing this.  I entered the whole line for my processor type
including the ./ at the end.  It seemed to work.

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[CinCVS] Getting ready to reinstall.

[Fred Williams]

OK, my system died recently and I've reloaded all my data files from
backups.  What I have to do next is re-install cinelerra and I am
guessing I want the CV version, it's what I had before and I think it's
the one less likely to have bugs, or fewer bugs.
I've got to decide whether my Core 2 processor is a i686 or a Pentium4
to know which repository to use. does anybody know?
I have two of them on the one chip and they say they are :
vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
cpu family  : 6
model   : 15
model name  : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU  6600  @ 2.40GHz
stepping: 6
cpu MHz : 1596.000
cache size  : 4096 KB


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Re: [CinCVS] Finished product with cinelerra (OT)

[Fred Williams]

On Thu, 2007-21-06 at 12:45 +0800, Graham Evans wrote:
> Daniel Jircik wrote:
> > Hi I just cut this for a spoken word performance artist and I think it 
> > turned out well.
> > http://tonzi.com/video/dreamachine-lullaby/
> >
> > dvgrab for capture
> > blender for efx
> > gimp for image work
> > cinelerra for NLE
> >
    Great job.  I loved it.

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Re: [CinCVS] Synchronism between audio and video

[Fred Williams]

On Sat, 2007-28-04 at 21:04 +0100, Alan Chandler wrote:
> On Saturday 28 Apr 2007, Alan Chandler wrote:
> > I am very new to using Cinelerra so I am struggling with what is
> > probably the simplest thing.
> >
> > I have copied a .vob file from a dvd and renamed it as an .mpg
> >
> > When I play it natively (under linux) using kaffeine the audio and
> > video are in sync.
> >
> > When I import this file into cinelerra (as a resource) and then play
> > it in the viewer window (looking for a point where I want to start
> > and end a clip) the audio and video are no longer in sync.
> >
> > Is there a setting somewhere that shifts the relationship between
> > audio and video?
> 
> OK I found the nudge capability - but thats not the issue.
> 
> I used the nudge to align the video with audio and rendered my video 
> only to find the result was out of sync.
> 
> I took the nudge out and re-rendered and all was in sync.
> 
> I am not sure whats wrong, but if you can't view clips with accurate 
> syncing, how could you possible use the nudge capability to line things 
> up if the only way to see if it has is after rendering?
> 
I also have a problem with audio sync.  When I specify a start point
and Play the video, it starts out synchronized but gradually drifts and
before long it's not synchronized anymore.  Is this what you're seeing?
I'm learning to ignore it, because it seems to come out sync'ed when
rendered.  It's not the greatest though.  I don't know what to do to fix
it, but I'd also be interested in what the gurus have to say.

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Re: [CinCVS] High Definition Input

[Fred Williams]

On Sun, 2007-15-04 at 22:56 +0200, Herman Robak wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-04-15 at 14:48 -0400, Fred Williams wrote:
> > On Sun, 2007-15-04 at 14:50 +0200, Herman Robak wrote:
> > 
> > >  There are three ways:
> > > 
> > > 1) mpg1394grab, which is distributed as a single file of C source code.
> > 
> > No idea how to install this, unfortunately
> 
>  It's rather obscure, and quite deprecated since libiec61883 came 
> around.  I have mirrored the single C source file here:
> http://www.nuug.no/pub/herman/mpg1394grab.c
> 
> It must be linked with libraw1394
> 
That's the part I don't know how to do.

> 
> > > 2) test-mpeg2, which is found in the _source_ package for libiec61883
> > >  (available in Ubuntu's repositories)
> > 
> > Synaptic says the libiec61883 library is installed, but I presume this
> > is terminal stuff.  When I type "test-mpeg2 -h" in, it's an
> > unrecognizable command.
> 
>  Not part of the binary package.  It's one of the "examples" in the
> source package.  You can install and build that.  Not much to it. :-)
> 
If you know how. (;-))  I used to work in computers, but it was a long
time ago and in FORTRAN IV.

> 
> > > 3) A patched version of dvgrab.  This is apparently the most robust
> > >  alternative, as it does proper buffering.
> > > 
> > I found the patch online, but have no idea how to install it.
> 
>  Nor do I.  About time to suggest the patch to the developers of
> dvgrab, or create a hdvgrab "fork".
> 
Good idea.  Or, an upgrade to Kino, or the Cinelerra poeple could add
it with the DV capability when they get around to it.


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Re: [CinCVS] High Definition Input

[Fred Williams]

On Sun, 2007-15-04 at 14:50 +0200, Herman Robak wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-04-15 at 07:52 -0400, Fred Williams wrote:
> > Hello people,
> > I am using a Sony HVR-Z1U camera to shoot HDV and I want to upload it
> > into my computer.  I have been using Kino for uploads over the firewire
> > for regular DV and the Z1U has a firewire connector but does Kino
> > recognise HDV?  I'm guessing not.
> 
>  That is correct, Kino only understands DV.
> 
> > Is there any way I can do this with Ubuntu Linux?
> 
>  There are three ways:
> 
> 1) mpg1394grab, which is distributed as a single file of C source code.
> 2) test-mpeg2, which is found in the _source_ package for libiec61883
>  (available in Ubuntu's repositories)
> 3) A patched version of dvgrab.  This is apparently the most robust
>  alternative, as it does proper buffering.
> 
> I only know 1 and 2.  I still use mpg1394grab, as it was the only tool
> that I knew of when I purchased my HDV camera two years ago.
> 
> As far as I can tell, a program to grab HDV is not provided in any of
> the binary packages for the common Linux distributions.  You have to
> patch and compile, or at least use some third party package.
> 

Thanks for the quick response.  I'll give these a try.  If I can get
this done before I have to return the rented camera, it'll help a great
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Re: [CinCVS] High Definition Input

[Fred Williams]

On Sun, 2007-15-04 at 14:50 +0200, Herman Robak wrote:

>  There are three ways:
> 
> 1) mpg1394grab, which is distributed as a single file of C source code.

No idea how to install this, unfortunately

> 2) test-mpeg2, which is found in the _source_ package for libiec61883
>  (available in Ubuntu's repositories)

Synaptic says the libiec61883 library is installed, but I presume this
is terminal stuff.  When I type "test-mpeg2 -h" in, it's an
unrecognizable command.

> 3) A patched version of dvgrab.  This is apparently the most robust
>  alternative, as it does proper buffering.
> 
I found the patch online, but have no idea how to install it.

> I only know 1 and 2.  I still use mpg1394grab, as it was the only tool
> that I knew of when I purchased my HDV camera two years ago.

> As far as I can tell, a program to grab HDV is not provided in any of
> the binary packages for the common Linux distributions.  You have to
> patch and compile, or at least use some third party package.
> 
Yeah, I may leave that for another day.  I want my first release to be
regular DV anyway, and when the software catches up, I'll be ready to do
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[CinCVS] High Definition Input

[Fred Williams]

Hello people,
I am using a Sony HVR-Z1U camera to shoot HDV and I want to upload it
into my computer.  I have been using Kino for uploads over the firewire
for regular DV and the Z1U has a firewire connector but does Kino
recognise HDV?  I'm guessing not.
Is there any way I can do this with Ubuntu Linux?

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Re: [CinCVS] Re: status of GPL headers - finished

[Fred Williams]

On Thu, 2007-12-04 at 12:23 +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wednesday 11 April 2007 21:16, Nicolas Maufrais wrote:
> > Well done, flavio and nighto !
> > Thumbs up! ;-)
> 
> Indeed, cheers!
> 
> I hope this continues and cinelerra in Debian lenny will become reality!

Likewise.  Good work people.

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Re: [CinCVS] can't capture video into Kino.

[Fred Williams]

On Sun, 2007-18-03 at 13:10 -0500, Kevin Brosius wrote:

> You can check, prior to issuing those commands, by running lsmod as root
> to see if all three of those modules are loaded already.  The messages
> you posted earlier from your logs suggest that at least ohci1394 is
> loaded, as I believe it handles the device enumeration you posted for
> the connection to your camera.
> 
OK, I seem to just have to working again.  Not sure why it wasn't nor
what I did to correct it, but I now have a clock running when I capture
and icons piling up in the storyboard area of Kino.  This means I now
have a lot of work to do this week.
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Re: [CinCVS] can't capture video into Kino.

[Fred Williams]

On Sun, 2007-18-03 at 17:24 +0100, Valentina Messeri wrote:
> :)
> 
> >>
> >> # dvgrab
> >>
> >> 3)copy paste here what output
> >>
> > I actually ran some video, and when the camera was shut off I got this
> > response.
> >
> >> Reset Handler received
> >> "" 0.00 MB 0 frames
> >> Capture Stopped
> >> Error: no DV
> 
> ok, well, something going wrong..
> 
> I had similar problems using my camera, months ago
> 
> http://www.arcknowledge.com/gmane.comp.video.kino.devel/2006-06/msg6.html
> 
> In my case, next version of kino solved problems.driver was not  
> working properly
> 
I don't have the luxury of waiting around.  I now have three projects
waiting to be edited and things are backing up.

> 
> some tips:
> 
> 1) try change firewire cable
> 
I unplugged it and plugged it back in and now it won't even display
during capture.  I'm going to shutdown and restart and see if that makes
a difference, and then try another ieee1394 socket on the card.

> 2) try to use another fire device (an hd, for example) to understand  
> if problem is really your camera or ieee1394 port

No other devices, nor even a different cable available right now.  I
don't think it's the cable, because until just a few moments ago, it was
at least displaying the video as it tried to capture, if not saving it.
    The problem affects dvgrab also, although dvgrab never tries to display
anything, but there is no mention with dvgrab of where the file goes if
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Re: [CinCVS] can't capture video into Kino.

[Fred Williams]

On Sun, 2007-18-03 at 12:11 -0400, Claude Jones wrote:
> On Sun March 18 2007, Valentina Messeri wrote:
> > some tips:
> >
> > 1) try change firewire cable
> >
> > 2) try to use another fire device (an hd, for example) to understand  
> > if problem is really your camera or ieee1394 port
> 
> No where in this thread have I seen the following suggestion. On my machine, 
> DV capture w/ Kino never works till I issue the following as root:
> 
> * modprobe raw1394
> * modprobe ohci1394
> * modprobe video1394 - this last one only seems necessary to export 
> edited 
> video back onto the tape.
>  
> This comes from the Kino howto at http://www.robfisher.net/video/kino.html
> Some of this is a bit outdated, but the above commands are absolutely 
> necessary before I can capture.
> Just a thought - I apologize if it's already been mentioned and I missed it. 
> 
It wasn't mentioned, Claude, thanks I'll give it a try, but I do want
to mention also that this was working with Kino a couple of weeks ago.
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Re: [CinCVS] can't capture video into Kino.

[Fred Williams]

On Sat, 2007-17-03 at 11:36 -0400, Scott C. Frase wrote:
> Fred,
> Here are some notes I have regarding getting dvgrab to work using my JVC
> HD10U from my blog:
> 
> Notes:
> mpg1394 works better for grabbing HDV.
> 
"mpg1394" (?)  This is regualar DV, (although some is 16x9 format).  I
haven't seen the "mpg" in mpg1394 before.  Is this a program?

> Make sure there is a symbolic link to /dev/raw1394:
> ln -s /dev/raw/raw1394 /dev/raw1394
> 
I have no directory /dev/raw .  I do have a file /dev/raw1394 .

> Make sure the driver is chmod 666:
> chmod 666 /dev/raw/raw1394
> 
I did chmod the /dev/raw1394 to 666.  No difference.

> To compile mpg1394grab, execute this:
> gcc -lraw1394 mpg1394grab.c -o mpg1394grab
> 
Is this a driver?  

> The JVC must be set to AUTO for Linux to recognize the cam. This is
> different than XP, which requires the camera setting to be SW.
> 
You mean the camera when you say "JVC?"  There is nothing on the camera
that I can set to "auto."

> For dvgrab, the camera must be set to DV/DV

DV is all the camera can do.  either at 4x3, or 16x9 .

> For mpg1394grab and test-mpeg2, the camera must be set to MPEG2/HD

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Re: [CinCVS] can't capture video into Kino.

[Fred Williams]

On Sat, 2007-17-03 at 17:51 +0100, Valentina Messeri wrote:
> Been not there at your side it's quite difficult for me figure out  
> what's going on, i'm asking you to tell me what the system is telling  
> you.
> 
> 1) open dvgrab from a terminal (with root privilege)
> 
> 2)type
> 
> # dvgrab
>
> 3)copy paste here what output
> 
I actually ran some video, and when the camera was shut off I got this
response.

> Reset Handler received
> "" 0.00 MB 0 frames   
>   
> Capture Stopped   
>   
> Error: no DV



> 4) open another terminal
> 
> 5) type
> 
> # dmesg
> 
> 6) copy paste here output (last 10 lines)
> 

[17186065.66] ieee1394: Node changed: 0-00:1023 -> 0-01:1023
[17186075.472000] ieee1394: Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-00:1023
[17186075.472000] ieee1394: Node suspended: ID:BUS[0-00:1023]
GUID[0080880309580e34]
[17186085.212000] ieee1394: Current remote IRM is not 1394a-2000
compliant, resetting...
[17186085.496000] ieee1394: Node resumed: ID:BUS[0-00:1023]
GUID[0080880309580e34]
[17186085.496000] ieee1394: Node changed: 0-00:1023 -> 0-01:1023
[17186781.584000] ohci1394: fw-host0: ohci_devctl: IS0 listen channel 63
is already used
[17188546.28] ohci1394: fw-host0: AT dma reset ctx=0, aborting
transmission
[17188546.552000] ieee1394: Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-00:1023
[17188546.552000] ieee1394: Node suspended: ID:BUS[0-00:1023]
GUID[0080880309580e34]


> 
> It should be usefull to know which linux distro are you on.

I am using Ubuntu 6.10 ,  Edgy Eft.

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Re: [CinCVS] can't capture video into Kino.

[Fred Williams]

On Sat, 2007-17-03 at 13:17 +0100, Valentina Messeri wrote:
> m, did dvgrab "say something" in the console?
> 
> or dmesg ?
> 
> if you wanna join #cinelerra on irc.freenode.net, although i'm  
> actually using a very unstable net from my neighbourgh and i can't  
> promise i can stay as long as i would

I've never been able to get IRC working.  It not been a high priority
for me and I don't understand it.  I'm figuring it may be something in
my camera settings that could be causing the problem.  I'll experiment
with that for a while, but I have to go and shoot again today.  If you
have any ideas, that'd be great.  The editing is starting to pile up.
So I'll need to get something working soon or I'll have to go to the
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Re: [CinCVS] can't capture video into Kino.

[Fred Williams]

On Sat, 2007-17-03 at 02:51 +0100, Valentina Messeri wrote:
> Fred Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha escrito:
> 
> :)
> 
> try to use:
> 
> # dvgrab
> 
> and maybe better post kino ml:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> (i think never set time my new cameras)

I tried dvgrab and it didn't work either.  It seems to be executing
properly until I look to see the files and they are not there.  I
checked the permissions on the directory and they are set OK.  I don't
know why everything was working a few days ago and now it isn't.

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[CinCVS] can't capture video into Kino.

[Fred Williams]

Hello People,
Since Cinelerra doesn't seem to capture and we're using Kino for that,
I figure a question about Kino isn't too off topic.  Now this may be my
fault, but I forgot to set the date and time on my new JVC GR D750U
video camera.  (I intended to use it for a tape deck, but took it out
for some documentary work yesterday).
Previously, stuff shot with a Sony PD 150 was loaded by my JVC through
Kino flawlessly, with valuable help from this group.  Would the absence
of a date and/or time prevent capture by Kino.
Interestingly enough I can see the video on the computer and hear the
audio through my sound system while I am attempting to capture, but I
see no icons in the storyboard and I don't get anything saved when I try
to do that.
Please tell me I'm stupidly doing something wrongly and this footage
can be saved.

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Re: [CinCVS] Trying to record from MiniDV camera.

[Fred Williams]

On Wed, 2007-07-03 at 19:19 +0100, Gour wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:38:46 -0500
> Fred Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hey, if Kino is free S/W, why not just liberate the code and then
> > match styles and compile?  Isn't that what free S/W is all about?
> 
> I heard on #cinelerra (some time ago) about idea to just provide
> front-end in Cinelerra for dvgrab which does good job...

That sounds workable.  I decided on trying Kino first and it worked
fine too.  So I may not go further unless problems arise.  


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Re: [CinCVS] Trying to record from MiniDV camera.

[Fred Williams]

On Tue, 2007-06-03 at 17:11 -0500, Scott C. Frase wrote:
> Herman,
> I have wasted a good number of hours with the recording feature on a few
> occasions.  I think Andraz and you are correct in your desire to remove
> it altogether.
> 
> It would be lovely to have it, but again, time and a willing body to fix
> it are hard to come by.

I used to be a pretty good FORTRAN IV programmer, but this "C" stuff is
like black magic.  If I could get used to it I'd offer to fix what I
could, but as it is I might just manage testing someone's code.  It's a
big contribution writing free software, although I applaud the effort
and the spirit of the thing.  The people who wrote Cinelerra are true
heros to me.   Yes it would be lovely to have it record, but Kino does
that.  Hey, if Kino is free S/W, why not just liberate the code and then
match styles and compile?  Isn't that what free S/W is all about?

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Re: [CinCVS] Trying to record from MiniDV camera.

[Fred Williams]

On Tue, 2007-06-03 at 01:39 +0100, Andraž Tori wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 01:19 +0100, Herman Robak wrote:
> > On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 00:58 +0100, Andraž Tori wrote:
> > > Please use Kino for recording.
> > > 
> > > Recording is broken in Cinelerra.
> > 
> > Possibly the same bug as...
> > http://bugs.cinelerra.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334
> > 
> > Any progress on that, by the way?
> 
> 
> Only that i am seriously thinking of disabling record menu entry..

OK.  I'm tempted to say, "Oh yeah, that'll fix it!" but I know how
these things are and I do not wish to tarnish the gift that Cinelerra
has been.  I will learn to use Kino, or dvgrab, or both,... whatever it
takes,
I am now just bothered by the announcement in the camera manual that
the date and time will not be transferred to the computer.   This is not
a bug, they planned it that way.  Is there another camera that would do
it.  I can rent a Sony PD-150 to shoot, but I don't want to rent one of
those again to play back the tapes.
Thanks for the outpouring of assistance.  This is a good group and the
response has been beyond my expectations.  I'll take some time to
experiment with kino and dvgrab and if I have problems you'll be the
first to know.

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[CinCVS] Trying to record from MiniDV camera.

[Fred Williams]

Hello People,
I am running cinelerra on Ubuntu Linux with a Core 2 Duo processor and
2 Gigabytes of memory.  I have it installed and was able to play with
some video files (.avi) from my "still" camera the other day.  Now I
need to load some Mini DV tapes for editing so today I bought a JVC
GR-D750U camera and a Firewire PCI card.
Unfortunately when I try to record  from the camera there seems to be
no connection although all the wires are connected.  When I choose
File-->Record, I get the Cinelerra Recording box, but then when I click
on the red button the window freezes and nothing gets recorded.  The
camera is playing the tape, but nothing comes through and I can't stop
the recording in Cinelerra...It won't close the window while it is
recording and it's not recording anything.
So far the only way I can close cinelerra is to log out, or shut down
the system.  The camera manual says that it won't download the date and
time info to the computer anyway.  Should I take the camera back?

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Re: [CinCVS] first posting

[Fred Williams]

On Sun, 2007-25-02 at 09:32 +0100, Andraž Tori wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-02-24 at 20:16 -0500, Fred Williams wrote:
> > > you sure you added the right repo?
> > > 
> > > deb http://giss.tv/~vale/ubuntu32 ./
> > 
> > Tried that the other day.  It's still there in my Synaptic package
> > manager, but I find no Cinelerra there.  I downloaded the deb package
> > independently.
> 
> no wonder it does not work.
> 
> you have to reload the sources first (there's a button for this action),
> so changes take effect (yes, i agree synaptic is problematic regarding
> this)

Yes, I did use the "reload" button.

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Re: [CinCVS] first posting

[Fred Williams]

On Sun, 2007-25-02 at 00:12 +0100, Andraž Tori wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-02-24 at 18:02 -0500, Fred Williams wrote:
> > Hello everybody,
> > I am running ubuntu, the Edgy Eft version 6.10, and this is my first
> > posting to the group.  I have tried a couple of times to get Cinelerra
> > up and running on my new core 2 duo processor with 2 Gigs of memory.  My
> > latest attempt involved getting the .deb package and trying to install
> > it with a debian package installer which completes without complaining
> > and tells me that cinelerra is installed, but when I try to run it, I
> > get,
> > 
> > > cinelerra: error while loading shared libraries: libmjpegutils-1.8.so.0: 
> > > cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> 
> well check in /usr/lib/ what kind of mjpegutils you have and link them
> if necessarily.. or just apt-get them

I don't have access to mjpegutils.  I have an avifile-mjpeg-plugin
1:0.7.44.20051021-2.1ubuntu1 for libavifile, but that's the closest and
I know it's not going to help much.

> are you sure you installed proper version of cinelerra for edgy eft?
> 
What I got was the Cinelerra deb file for Ubuntu Edgy Eft.  It came
from <http://ww2.fs.ei.tum.de/~dr/>  I bet that was wrong, eh?

> > I just upgraded to Edgy because I believed that it was necessary 
> > for the installation of Cinelerra, and now it doesn't work.  It's very 
> > frustrating My scanner no longer works either.
> 
> well,
> i can assure you cinelerra has nothing to do with your scanner 
> 
I understand, I just felt like griping about it.

> you sure you added the right repo?
> 
> deb http://giss.tv/~vale/ubuntu32 ./

Tried that the other day.  It's still there in my Synaptic package
manager, but I find no Cinelerra there.  I downloaded the deb package
independently.

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[CinCVS] first posting

[Fred Williams]

Hello everybody,
I am running ubuntu, the Edgy Eft version 6.10, and this is my first
posting to the group.  I have tried a couple of times to get Cinelerra
up and running on my new core 2 duo processor with 2 Gigs of memory.  My
latest attempt involved getting the .deb package and trying to install
it with a debian package installer which completes without complaining
and tells me that cinelerra is installed, but when I try to run it, I
get,

> cinelerra: error while loading shared libraries: libmjpegutils-1.8.so.0: 
> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

I just upgraded to Edgy because I believed that it was necessary 
for the installation of Cinelerra, and now it doesn't work.  It's very 
frustrating My scanner no longer works either.


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