[CinCV] Lumiera design
I have not used Cinelerra for sometime, but Linux is always near to my heart, and the lack of a robust NLE has always saddened me, so more power to you all for the work you are undertaking. Apologies if this has been raised before -- A thought: Ardour is a growing, robust DAW -- should you consider using it as the base for Lumiera? Sonic Foundry did that very successfully years ago with Vegas (now owned by Sony). The audio/DAW model is a suprisingly good fit for video (I have used a number of NLE's and Vegas is streets ahead of the others, IMHO). I just figured that so much of the engine and the framework is already there, the design is good and clean, and it would give you a head start. Just a thought. I wish you well. Ciao, marks -- Mark Stavar Swan Dancer Productions Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0410 638 671
Re: [CinCVS] X11-OpenGL slower than X11-XV ???
Alas, It would appear that, though my card and glxinfo _say_ they support OpenGL 2.0, it would appear that in fact they do not. (GeForce FX 5700 256Mb) Definitely, any time I attempt to do anything that might be vaguely OpenGL related (fades, dissolves, etc), their is a CPU spike and 60+ percent drop in frame rate. Sigh. Might have to fork for some new hardware. Does leave me a little confused though as to exactly what glxinfo is reporting. Ciao, marks -- Mark Stavar Swan Dancer Productions Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0410 638 671 http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/ ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] X11-OpenGL slower than X11-XV ???
Thanks Graham, I would love to get the FPS you are talking about here. I am not really clued up on such things. glxgears reports around about 2800 fps. If anyone has any clues as to how I might check or tune things, I'm all ears -- which makes me look kind of funny :) Ciao, marks On 5/1/07, Graham Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark stavar wrote: I am getting the same results -- my playback is faster and smoother with X11-Xv than with OpenGL. Now mine is probably not a hig-end graphics card (and a little dated now) but it supports OpenGL 2.0. A tad disappointing :-( Hi mark Like Bruce you probably have a problem of some sort. I just tried out the open gl video driver (PreferencesVideo OutVideo DriverOpenGL) and got 30 fps for the following effects chain playing in Open GL: camera z enlarge 2.2 (bicubic, gamma (no auto no histrogram), rgd and chromakey hsv) only 4 fps playing in X11-XV I also noticed that no restart is neccessary to swap video drivers just press stop and play. My video was H.264 video in a mov container and had sound (alsa driver). I have a pretty good setup with lots of memory but if your opengl is working properly you should be seeing a big contrast with the x11-xv driver. Graham ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Mark Stavar Swan Dancer Productions Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0410 638 671 http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] X11-OpenGL slower than X11-XV ???
Further to the discussions that have been going on earlier about OpenGL
performance, it did another experiment running a couple of simple fades and
dissolves. With X11-Xv, I was getting around 25 fps (give or take). With
X11-GL and effect was being reduced to about 8, and this appeared on the
terminal screen.
FreezeFrameMain::process_buffer 1 334
Playback3D::print_error:
uniform sampler2D tex;
uniform float h_offset;
uniform float s_offset;
uniform float v_offset;
void main000()
{
vec4 pixel = texture2D(tex, gl_TexCoord[0].st);
{
float r, g, b;
float h, s, v;
float min, max, delta;
float f, p, q, t;
r = pixel.r;
g = pixel.g;
b = pixel.b;
min = ((r g) ? r : g) b ? ((r g) ? r : g) : b;
max = ((r g) ? r : g) b ? ((r g) ? r : g) : b;
v = max;
delta = max - min;
if(max != 0.0 delta != 0.0)
{
s = delta / max;
if(r == max)
h = (g - b) / delta;
else
if(g == max)
h = 2.0 + (b - r) / delta;
else
h = 4.0 + (r - g) / delta;
h *= 60.0;
if(h 0.0)
h += 360.0;
}
else
{
s = 0.0;
h = -1.0;
}
pixel.r = h;
pixel.g = s;
pixel.b = v;
}
pixel.r += h_offset;
pixel.g *= s_offset;
pixel.b *= v_offset;
if(pixel.r = 360.0) pixel.r -= 360.0;
if(pixel.r 0.0) pixel.r += 360.0;
{
int i;
float r, g, b;
float h, s, v;
float min, max, delta;
float f, p, q, t;
h = pixel.r;
s = pixel.g;
v = pixel.b;
if(s == 0.0)
{
r = g = b = v;
}
else
{
h /= 60.0;
i = int(h);
f = h - float(i);
p = v * (1.0 - s);
q = v * (1.0 - s * f);
t = v * (1.0 - s * (1.0 - f));
if(i == 0)
{
r = v;
g = t;
b = p;
}
else
if(i == 1)
{
r = q;
g = v;
b = p;
}
else
if(i == 2)
{
r = p;
g = v;
b = t;
}
else
if(i == 3)
{
r = p;
g = q;
b = v;
}
else
if(i == 4)
{
r = t;
g = p;
b = v;
}
else
if(i == 5)
{
r = v;
g = p;
b = q;
}
}
pixel.r = r;
pixel.g = g;
pixel.b = b;
}
gl_FragColor = pixel;
}
void main()
{
main000();
}
Fragment info
-
(51) : warning C7050: b.1- might be used before being initialized
(51) : warning C7050: g.1- might be used before being initialized
(51) : warning C7050: r.1- might be used before being initialized
FreezeFrameMain::process_buffer 1 334
All offers of insight wisdom gratefully accepted.
Ciao,
marks
On 5/1/07, mark stavar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Graham,
I would love to get the FPS you are talking about here.
I am not really clued up on such things. glxgears reports around about
2800 fps. If anyone has any clues as to how I might check or tune things,
I'm all ears -- which makes me look kind of funny :)
Ciao,
marks
On 5/1/07, Graham Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
mark stavar wrote:
I am getting the same results -- my playback is faster and smoother
with X11-Xv than with OpenGL. Now mine is probably not a hig-end
graphics card (and a little dated now) but it supports OpenGL 2.0. A
tad disappointing :-(
Hi mark
Like Bruce you probably have a problem of some sort. I just tried out
the open gl video driver (PreferencesVideo OutVideo DriverOpenGL) and
got 30 fps for the following effects chain playing in Open GL:
camera z enlarge 2.2 (bicubic, gamma (no auto no histrogram), rgd and
chromakey hsv)
only 4 fps playing in X11-XV
I also noticed that no restart is neccessary to swap video drivers just
press stop and play.
My video was H.264 video in a mov container and had sound (alsa driver).
I have a pretty good setup with lots of memory but if your opengl is
working properly you should be seeing a big contrast with the x11-xv
driver.
Graham
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Re: [CinCVS] X11-OpenGL slower than X11-XV ???
I am getting the same results -- my playback is faster and smoother with X11-Xv than with OpenGL. Now mine is probably not a hig-end graphics card (and a little dated now) but it supports OpenGL 2.0. A tad disappointing :-( marks On 5/1/07, Bruce Bertrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got a new video card and tried X11-OpenGL rendering. Its fine without effects (around 30fps), but when I add an OpenGL effect its much slower (around 15 fps ... sound still runs at normal speed though). I'm using Geforce 7600 with the latest Nvidia binary drivers. Other OpenGL apps like Beryl and Blender run very well. When I try to enable an OpenGL plugin I get a lot of the following output in a terminal: VFrame::dump_stacks next_effects: VirtualVNode::render_as_module prev_effects: ColorBalanceMain::handle_opengl 0 0 Anyone know what's up? ~B ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Mark Stavar Swan Dancer Productions Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0410 638 671 http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] I want to create themes
If you are interested in creating themes, you could take a look at the work done here. It might give you some pointers on how to go about it. But I think it is not too straightforward. http://placide.home.sapo.pt/cinelerra.html Ciao, marks On 4/21/07, maamam ammamma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, I never joined to another list before, so I hope to be useful to the comunity. I´m not a programmer, just a DV editor, and since the last year, I made the Win for linux transition, so replacing premiere for cinelerra was difficult, but pays. I´m editting now 2 tv shows with cinelerra, and runs great (from freshrpms repo). I wan to give something back to the comunity, an that´s my design skills to create themes. Can someone help me to do this? I don´t know wich are the icons I must replace, I mean there seems to be SUV icons in the plugins/SUW directory, and others in /guicast, so wich ones are to be replaced? Marquitux, from Argentina. -- Mark Stavar Swan Dancer Productions Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0410 638 671 http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] razor
you are most very welcome. Ciao, marks On 4/11/07, Aaron Newcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You learn something new every day with Cinelerra. Thanks Mark! I found it under SettingsPreferencesRecording Tab. That little gem will save me about 30 seconds per image I use. That adds up fast! On 4/9/07, mark stavar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can extend the default still image length, eg. to 3 seconds. I don't have it in front of me, but I believe the option might be in the project settings tab. marks On 4/10/07, Aaron Newcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, The Ken Burns effect is pretty easy once you get used to using the Camera and Projector settings along with keyframes. You can find a good description of these topics in the manual as well. Also, don't forget that when you load a still image it will only take up a single frame on the timeline. You will need to zoom way in to find it and then drag it to fill up the timeline with more frames. Good Luck! On 4/9/07, Chris Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks. I think I'm starting to understand how to do it. I've been looking through the manual and playing around with the program. It's just going to take me some time to get used to the way cinelerra does things. Herman Robak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 08:28 -0700, Chris Reynolds wrote: I could put the still image on another layer but I want to be able to use a transition between the video and the still and back to the video. I could be wrong but don't you have to have items on the same timeline in order to use a transition between them? Transitions are there to enable simple dissolves on a single track. If you have two tracks, you simpy use the tracks' faders to fade one track in, and the other track out. You get better control this way, at the expense of screen estate, and more mouse movement. Anyhow, what you wanted to do is possible with a transition, so you don't need to use two tracks. -- Herman Robak ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra Chris Reynolds http://builderofstuff.com Computers are like air conditioners - They can't do their job properly if you open windows. -- Thanks, Aaron Newcomb http://www.thesourceshow.org http://www.opennewsshow.org ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Mark Stavar Swan Dancer Productions Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0410 638 671 http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/ -- Thanks, Aaron Newcomb http://www.thesourceshow.org http://www.opennewsshow.org ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Mark Stavar Swan Dancer Productions Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0410 638 671 http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] razor
You can extend the default still image length, eg. to 3 seconds. I don't have it in front of me, but I believe the option might be in the project settings tab. marks On 4/10/07, Aaron Newcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, The Ken Burns effect is pretty easy once you get used to using the Camera and Projector settings along with keyframes. You can find a good description of these topics in the manual as well. Also, don't forget that when you load a still image it will only take up a single frame on the timeline. You will need to zoom way in to find it and then drag it to fill up the timeline with more frames. Good Luck! On 4/9/07, Chris Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks. I think I'm starting to understand how to do it. I've been looking through the manual and playing around with the program. It's just going to take me some time to get used to the way cinelerra does things. Herman Robak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 08:28 -0700, Chris Reynolds wrote: I could put the still image on another layer but I want to be able to use a transition between the video and the still and back to the video. I could be wrong but don't you have to have items on the same timeline in order to use a transition between them? Transitions are there to enable simple dissolves on a single track. If you have two tracks, you simpy use the tracks' faders to fade one track in, and the other track out. You get better control this way, at the expense of screen estate, and more mouse movement. Anyhow, what you wanted to do is possible with a transition, so you don't need to use two tracks. -- Herman Robak ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra Chris Reynolds http://builderofstuff.com Computers are like air conditioners - They can't do their job properly if you open windows. -- Thanks, Aaron Newcomb http://www.thesourceshow.org http://www.opennewsshow.org ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Mark Stavar Swan Dancer Productions Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0410 638 671 http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] rotate video effect
Scott, I am pretty impressed. That looks great. Well done. marks On 4/7/07, Scott C. Frase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nicolas, Here is a cleaned up version of the rotating transparent png I showed you: http://content.serveftp.net/video/rotate.m2v 2.7MB scott On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 23:27 +0200, Nicolas Maufrais wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 09:16:42PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nicolas, Sweet! That worked! Thanks a lot! I will forward you my final version, once it is cleaned up. scott Great! =) I already saw some of your videos, and they were quite nice; I thought you used keyframes inside effects. I can't imagine how nicer they will be now that you use that great feature! =) Nicolas. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Mark Stavar Swan Dancer Productions Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0410 638 671 http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] Status of GPL Headers
Ubuntu are hoping to include Cinelerra-CV into UbuntuStudio. Does this mean that they will look at the GPL-status stuff? marks On 2/25/07, Andraž Tori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when somebody finds a file that he thinks there are issues with, we'll take a careful look into it. i expect those that want to get cinelerra into ubuntu to do the checking and report issues on this mailing list. after all that talk i really expected something to happen by now bye andraz On Sat, 2007-02-24 at 22:19 -0500, Nathan Kidd wrote: [I started writing this as a reply to the previous GPL thread, but since I hadn't made significant progress so I didn't bother to post. The draft mail has now been sitting in my mailbox for 3+ weeks so I'd better just send what I have now.] Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof wrote: I was wondering what te current status is of the intention to get Cinelerra in the Ubuntu repositories by checking all the licenses of each file? The previous gpl headers thread left us with a few questions. Question 1: How many files in Cinelerra? svn export hvirtual hvirtual-ex; cd hvirtual-ex; for dir in `find hvirtual-ex -maxdepth 1 -type d`; do echo -n $dir: ; find $dir -type f | grep -c .; done; .: 5238 # total number of files ./mplexlo: 3 ./m4: 23 ./plugins: 2433 # almost half of them are in plugins ./image: 3 ./debian: 20 ./admin: 1 ./toolame-02l: 57 ./quicktime: 486 ./guicast: 630 ./mpeg2enc: 54 ./libmpeg3: 88 ./cinelerra: 1015 ./doc: 389 ./po: 22 Question 2: What files are non-GPL license? This is what needs to be checked. I propose that anyone interested in this license issue go to the wiki collaboration page I just created http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=cinelerrafileslicensestatus And follow the instructions there to volunteer to audit a particular subdirectory. An automated grep would probably be 98%+ accurate, but to truly guarantee correctness I think the files need manual scanning. My understanding is some of those directories are not cinelerra proper, but 3rd party support libraries. They probably have a blanket license. -Nathan ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Mark Stavar Swan Dancer Productions Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0410 638 671 http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] revision 1000
Dude, you're a Star. Nasvidenje. marks On 2/19/07, Andraž Tori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by the way, i just checked in the 1000th revision ... amazin. I just gave a presentation and workshop on Cinelerra in Brussels, and people were actually quite impressed. So much for now. bye andraz ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Mark Stavar Swan Dancer Productions Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0410 638 671 http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
[CinCVS] Ubuntu Studio
Don't know if anyone saw this (was recently announced on slashdot.org) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ToPackage Basically, Ubuntu are planning to release a multimedia distro (UbuntuStudio), and Cinelerra-CV is on their To Package list. Quite a feather in the cap for you guys I think. Well done. Ciao, marks -- Mark Stavar Swan Dancer Productions Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0410 638 671 http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] [Bug 364] Quicktime read error / No display on viewer
I think he means : ... `basename $i MP4`.avi but a neat little script still. Ciao, marks On 1/12/07, Marcin Kostur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for i in *MP4; do mencoder -mc 0 -noskip $i -ovc libdv -oac pcm -vf scale=720:576 -o `basename $i MP$`avi;done ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Mark Stavar Swan Dancer Productions Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0410 638 671 http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] [Bug 371] [FEATURE REQUEST] Keyboard-based Trim/Nudge
What about Shift-left and Shift-right? On 1/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://bugs.cinelerra.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371 --- Comment #1 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2007-01-06 12:35 +2 --- + and - keys are already taken... some other proposal for keybindings? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.cinelerra.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Mark Stavar Swan Dancer Productions Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0410 638 671 http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] Audio Question...
It's probably not what you are really after, but something like this might be helpful - http://xjadeo.sourceforge.net/Ciao,marks On 10/11/06, Wesley T Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all,My DV camera doesn't have a port for an external mic.I was wondering ifanyone knew any tricks on getting audio from a separate video source syncedwith video.Any hints/ideas/clues?Thanks! Wes--The only way to stay sane in an insane world is to be insane. --Me___Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.nohttps://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra-- Mark StavarSwan Dancer ProductionsEmail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mobile: 0410 638 671http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] anyone compared this with cinelerra?
My understand of Lives is that it is/was intended to VJ'ing, live mixing of video. Not sure how it would go with movie editing.On 9/6/06, Miha Kitič [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I gave a quick look to Lives as the screenshots seemed to be very promising. The program started, however I was unable to import anyvideo file. Whenever I tried, the program simply crashed.They say that Debian based Ubuntu version is still in testing stage.But at the moment Lives is just not very useful for me. Nevertheless, the first impression of this softwareis promissing and it may be useful tool in the future.But I would still put my bet on Cinelerra, especiallywhen it comes to serious video editing. All the best!MihaOn pon, 2006-09-04 at 11:52 +0300, Dimitrios wrote: anyone compared this with cinelerra? http://lives.sourceforge.net/index.php?do=features ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra___Cinelerra mailing listCinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra-- Mark Stavar Swan Dancer ProductionsEmail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mobile: 0410 638 671http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] comparison with main actor
For mine, the main issues with Cinelerra are not the interface. A power tool needs a power interface. The Cinelerra interface is not unmanageable by any stretch of the imagination. It may not be as sexy as some, but IMHO the Avid interface is no better. Where I think Cinelerra is weak is in things like:Reliability of render optionsSome of the micro operations such as, say, wanting to adjust a clip by one frame in and one frame outfader handling (everyone's favourite) workflow issues, like media managementGenerally, the interface is sufficient. What is lacking is the confidence that the application will do what it is supposed to do. I think that this is the indicator of a good/great interface, one that reliably allows you to do the things that you want/need to do to achieve the effect you want. I don't think that anyone in this list believes that it is trustworthy for a medium to large, critical project. I am not suggesting that it is up to the CinCVS developer group to fix this. This does not come from just adding extra patches, especially when in truth you are working somewhat at cross purposes with the upstream developers who are really working from the perspective of putting in what they need, and if anyone else finds it useful, great. I think what gets done in this group is fantastic, but it is going to be very hard or even impossible (think pushing sh*t uphill) to achieve a general purpose, high-end NLE for video. I guess, wanting to have that belief that it just works. Hard when you don't have the resources behind Avid, Adobe Premiere or Sony Vegas. Not a whinge, just an observation. I have had a look around in the Cinelerra source, and frankly, it frightens me. More power to you all.marksOn 8/6/06, Ichthyostega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: reuben firmin wrote: Perhaps relevant to the usability discussion, I've been writing a series of articles comparing Cinelerra to Main Actor;just read your articles -- nicely put and valid observations! So now -- what are cinelerra's true values (besides being open software)?The compositing engine? The ability to mix different frame rates?The effects chain? The ability to output to pipe? Hermann___Cinelerra mailing listCinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra-- Mark StavarSwan Dancer ProductionsEmail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0410 638 671http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] Effects order.
I believe that this approach was used in the past by Adobe Premiere. I think they were known as A and B tracks, reminicent of the the old A and B rolls when editing was done on film. To my knowledge all commercial editors have since moved away from this approach.On 8/4/06, Jonas Wulff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 20:09 +0200, Herman Robak wrote: You may get almost the desired result by crossfading the effects, using keyframes, if the transition is a crossfade.Otherwise, you have to use two tracks. Wouldn't it be helpful then to enable transitions to blend between twotracks, not just two edits?Just a thought... Jonas___Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.nohttps://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Mark StavarSwan Dancer ProductionsEmail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mobile: 0410 638 671 http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] updated of wiki of cinelerra to add info about the community version of cinelerra..
Well, a good deal better than the about.php dribble IMHO. I finally have a better understanding of why there are two distinct forks of the code. Well done and thanks, marks On 7/21/06, Pierre Dumuid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All,I have updated the cinelerra page onhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinelerra to add a section entitled TheCommunity Versionif people are interested in the read. Pretty much similar dribble to http://cvs.cinelerra.org/about.phpIthought it would bring sense to the History section displayed on thatpage. Heroine Virtual: I have quoted you, hope you don't mind.Cheers,Pierre Dumuid-- Mark StavarSwan Dancer ProductionsEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Mobile: 0410 638 671http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] Fixing the faders and automation lines
Hi Leo, I know a lot more had been said already in this thread by people who know a lot more than myself about the whole area. But when I read your message more closely something jumped out at me that I thought was at least worth picking up on. You mention a comparison with Ardour. One feature that I like about Ardour, and is also used in Sony Vegas for video editing is the way they handle transitions. In both cases a transition is handled by simply taking two clip sections (on the same track) and dragging them over one another. The length of the overlap is the length of the transition, and overlapping automatically generates two default berzier curves, one for the clip fading in, one for the clip fading out. (Interestingly, Vegas has its heritage in audio editing too, just like Cinelerra - Broadcast 2000 -). Now I have to say that Vegas has probably the sweetest interface I have come across in *any* software package, and is the one application that I would go out and specifically buy a Windows box for. I am not saying we have to be like Vegas, but it is a paradigm that I think just fits so nicely: to cross-dissolve, you just overlay two tracks. I have not looked into it, so I have no idea how difficult it would be to implement, but I at least raise it for your consideration. I admire you all and the work you do (Heroine and Cin-CV) Ciao, marksOn 7/18/06, Leo germani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all,I am happy to announce that we are about to effectivelly contribute to cinelerra. This could happen through the Pontos de Cultura project of the ministery of culture of Brasil, who have hired Estudiolivre.org.Rafael (slackware packages maintener) is soon starting to work on cinelerra code. Our aim is to fix the faders and automation lines.We beleive they are great features (the faders for audio and video, and the possibility of automating camera and projector...) but the way they are today they are not very usable. Of course we want to do this together with the community. So, first, Im gonna ask your opinions on whats the best way to deal with these issues. Later, I'll ask you to help Rafael, who is going to go deep in the code. We have two plans so far, depending on how complex the thing gets:Plan A:Build Ardour-like automation tracks: it means you would have, on the left panel, the option to show or hide the automation tracks of your choice, wich would be subTracks of the track you are working in. On this track all you see is the automation line of the selected automation (fade, CameraX, etc...). You would be able to see one or as many automation tracks as you like at a time. I think this is the best way cause also opens the door for, later on, someone add all the effects to this. For example, the PluginKey frames could migrate to the automatinoLine style. So I could automate, lets say, the HUE parameter of the Color Balance effect. It would substitute the yellow keys in the future in a much better way. (Please let me know if my english is too confusing, maybe I can draw some snapshots)Since we dont know how hard is to do this we have a second option:Plan B:just adding a selection box on the left panel for the user to select wich automation he/she wants to see/edit. It would be possible to see only one at a time. And the scale would be automatically adjusted for the selected automation. Much simpler.. but does the job...Please share your opinions!cheersLeo,, -- Mark StavarSwan Dancer ProductionsEmail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mobile: 0410 638 671 http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] AMD64 better than P4
On 4/27/06, Andraz Tori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also use Audacity and Gimp to create collateral materials.One of the things really missing in cinelerra is direct-to-mpeg2 audio+video export... anyone willing to write it?byeandraz ___Cinelerra mailing listCinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerraHow difficult is it likely to be?marks-- Mark StavarSwan Dancer ProductionsEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Mobile: 0410 638 671http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] cinelerra movie
Marcin,I have to say that I am impressed, including chroma-key!Very fine quality. I have already sent the link to a hang-gliding friend.Well done,marks On 3/6/06, Marcin Kostur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there,Let me present a short movie i made with cinelerra 2.0.It would not be possible without this mailing listmany tips and mostly thefader patch, so thanks a lot!.click on: http://marcin.glidingcontest.org/ :: Movies 2006 :: a dreamthe bestMarcin___Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.nohttps://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Mark StavarSwan Dancer ProductionsEmail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mobile: 0410 638 671 http://www.the-writers-retreat.com/
Re: [CinCVS] Please help me in order to find the problem...
It is not clear from your mail how you launch cinelerra, but you could try starting it from a command-line window. It could be that there is error/diagnostic info appearing on the screen that you are missing if it is just starting via a window manager. Just a thought, marks On 2/20/06, Nicolas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again,I try to understand where the problem comes from. As I said, whenopening my project from my normal user, the tracks load, and then, thecursor shape doesn't change, and I can't edit the video. If I open the SAME project with the root account, everything works fine.I though there was not enough room on my home directory. But there'smore than 3.3 Go free in the home partition of my normal user. I then though the problem comes from the .idx files in the ~/.bcastdirectory. I deleted all the .idx files related to that project, and theproblem was still there.I then though the problem comes from permissions of files. I chowned ALL the files to my normal user (chown -R user:user *). The problem isstill there.That problem occured while I did not do anything special. I did not messanything.I really would like to understand was causes the problem. That could happen another time. I generally edit my videos in a hurry, and I reallyneed everything to work fine.How could I find the source of the problem? Would runing cinelerra fromgdb help ?Thank you. Nicolas.-- Conti O-- Kawasaki-Nikon-Linux ---._ /\_--- Powered ---(x) (x)~~~___ Cinelerra mailing listCinelerra@skolelinux.nohttps://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Mark StavarSwan Dancer ProductionsEmail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mobile: 0410 638 671
Re: [CinCVS] Cant compile - problem with x264
Nikolas, The problem here is due to an X dependency in the x264 library build. If you used emerge to build the x264 library try a command-line something like this: USE=-X emerge x264-svn That will build x264 without the X stuff and thr rest should work okay. Ciao, marksOn 2/15/06, Nikolas Dahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there!I tried to compile several times cinelerra from svn. Configure alwayscomplains about the lib x264 not being found though it is installed(have installed it over and over (also cleaned up several times), currently i have the svn version 420 of it). When i try compiling it allthings are build except the contents of quicktime (without the -k switchmake exits here, with the -k option it keeps going and builds the other targets successfully, but in the end i get no executable...). The errormessages are:/usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld:warning: creating a DT_TEXTREL in object. /usr/local/lib/libx264.a(display-x11.o): In function `disp_sync':display-x11.c:(.text+0x15): undefined reference to `XSync'/usr/local/lib/libx264.a(display-x11.o): In function `disp_setcolor':display-x11.c:(.text+0x64): undefined reference to `XAllocNamedColor' display-x11.c:(.text+0x81): undefined reference to `XSetForeground'/usr/local/lib/libx264.a(display-x11.o): In function `disp_gray':display-x11.c:(.text+0x126): undefined reference to `XAllocSizeHints'display-x11.c: (.text+0x26c): undefined reference to `XCreateWindow'display-x11.c:(.text+0x298): undefined reference to `XSelectInput'display-x11.c:(.text+0x2d1): undefined reference to `XSetStandardProperties'display-x11.c: (.text+0x2e3): undefined reference to `XMapWindow'display-x11.c:(.text+0x2fe): undefined reference to `XNextEvent'display-x11.c:(.text+0x353): undefined reference to `XSetStandardProperties'display-x11.c:(.text+0x37b): undefined reference to `XResizeWindow' display-x11.c:(.text+0x392): undefined reference to `XSync'display-x11.c:(.text+0x39a): undefined reference to `XFree'display-x11.c:(.text+0x40e): undefined reference to `XCreateImage'display-x11.c:(.text+0x565): undefined reference to `XPutImage' display-x11.c:(.text+0x5bd): undefined reference to `XPutImage'display-x11.c:(.text+0x5d9): undefined reference to `XSync'display-x11.c:(.text+0x60b): undefined reference to `XOpenDisplay'display-x11.c:(.text+0x6d8): undefined reference to `XCreateColormap' /usr/local/lib/libx264.a(display-x11.o): In function `disp_point':display-x11.c:(.text+0x906): undefined reference to `XDrawPoint'/usr/local/lib/libx264.a(display-x11.o): In function `disp_line':display-x11.c: (.text+0x966): undefined reference to `XDrawLine'/usr/local/lib/libx264.a(display-x11.o): In function `disp_rect':display-x11.c:(.text+0x9da): undefined reference to `XDrawRectangle'collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[3]: *** [libquicktimehv.la] Error 1make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/seelenfeuer/misc/cinelerra2/quicktime'make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/seelenfeuer/misc/cinelerra2/quicktime' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/seelenfeuer/misc/cinelerra2'make: *** [all] Error 2In my eyes that makes absolutely no sense... especially because i havecompiled x264 with the --enable-visualize switch because the make-process fails with similar error-messages without this option...Can anybody help me out? I have an athlonxp and am running gentoo linuxwith a (afaik) correctly configured x-server...With kind regards Nikolas___Cinelerra mailing listCinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra-- Mark StavarSwan Dancer ProductionsEmail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0410 638 671
Re: [CinCVS] Example of video made with Cinelerra
Well done. Did you use Cinelerra for the titling as well? marksOn 2/13/06, Nicolas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody!I've finished this WE a video I made with Cinelerra:http://www.lerepairedesmotards.com/reportages/enduropale2006_video.htm It was made a week ago during an important French motorbikes race. Thewebsite is the largest French website dedicated to motorbikes, and thevideo should be viewed by a lot of people.Cinelerra worked perfectly for that job. As usual, I did not experience any crash (very good stability compared to what Cinelerra CVS was somemonths ago).Thanks again for your work on the project !!! =)Nicolas.-- Conti O-- Kawasaki-Nikon-Linux ---._ /\_ --- Powered ---(x) (x)~~~___Cinelerra mailing listCinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra-- Mark Stavar Swan Dancer ProductionsEmail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mobile: 0410 638 671
Re: [CinCVS] greenelerra theme available for download
Hi Andre, This looks great. I installed it and it all went in nicely (a couple of little typos in your instructions, but nothing that couldn't be worked around easily). A job well done. Here's hoping you can get that splash screen too. Ciao, markOn 2/6/06, Andre Sousa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyoneThe greenelerra theme I spoke of a few days ago is now available fordownload. It is not totally finished (minor adjustments).you can find it at: http://placide.home.sapo.pt/cinelerra.htmlI hope theinstructions about installation are correct. Maybe there's abetter way but I'm not an expert?!?You may also find some notes about compiling (building) Cinelerra 2.0 inUbuntu Breezy. (thanks to the testing of a student of mine I've madesome corrections recently).About the splash screen photo (copyrighted or not ?!?) I've sent anemail to the Michigan University but still don't have any answer, so it is not wet available.Is there anyone reading these emails working in a theme?!? switchingsome experiences would be nice!Well that's it for know... enjoy--Plácido André Sousa [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://placide.home.sapo.pt .-. /v\L I N U X// \\Phear the Penguin /( )\^^-^^ ___Cinelerra mailing listCinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra-- Mark StavarSwan Dancer ProductionsEmail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0410 638 671
Re: [CinCVS] query on preferred Distros
On 2/5/06, Claude Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this may be too general a question, but, I'm wondering if thedevelopers and/or power-users on this list have a preferred distro forrunning Cinelerra on? Sometimes, obvious answers fail for lack of thequestion ;-) -- Gentoo (AMD-64) -- Mark StavarSwan Dancer ProductionsEmail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mobile: 0410 638 671
Re: [CinCVS] query on preferred Distros
Claude, Gentoo is a sometimes funny thing. The main reason I went with it is that it allows for full native 64-bit support, because you build *everything* on the box. This can be a nuisance, but the support forums are excellent the portage system for package downloading and building is very good. The 64-bit thing is less an issue now; lots of distros are providing full 64bit support. Have a look around at http://www.gentoo.org. Lots of documentation, very active forums, and constant updating of released packages, and special projects like the 64-bit team. A perfect platform? No. But my most of my issues have been architecture rather than distro related (e.g. no flash plugin for browsers, which can serve to be quite annoying). I am dual booting -- some things I just need to do on Windows/XP. 64 Windows -- not worth the trouble when I tried it -- ran like a dog. Haven't checked back on it recently. So, Gentoo? I think very highly of it. Probably more mucking around than something like Mandriva, but it gives me my little techie fix from time to time and works nicely. Ciao, marksOn 2/5/06, Claude Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 04 February 2006 6:36 pm, mark stavar wrote: On 2/5/06, Claude Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this may be too general a question, but, I'm wondering if the developers and/or power-users on this list have a preferred distro for running Cinelerra on? Sometimes, obvious answers fail for lack of the question ;-) -- Gentoo (AMD-64)I'd seen some oblique references to Gentoo over the months I've beensubscribed, here. I'm downloading a Gentoo distro as I type, actually. IsGentoo a personal preference as a distro, or do you find it plays best with Cinelerra? Right now, AMD-64 is not in my budget, so I'm running on a P4 3.0with 2 GB ram.--Claude JonesBluemont, VA, USA___Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.nohttps://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Mark StavarSwan Dancer ProductionsEmail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mobile: 0410 638 671
