Thanks to Helena...I passed BSCN 2.0 today!
I met Helena on this forum. I hope all of you find someone as wonderful as her. My 1/2 cent on the Boson exam. Scored 850 + Know your commands well. The show and router command format will be asked of you. Know what mode the router must be in to enter the exam. BGP for me was most of the test. Know the "basics", and commands. Know BGP well or you will not do as well. Then route optimization theories. Know route maps and stuff. EIGRP was second in line. Understand how it interacts with redistribution and NBMA. RIP and IGRP show up only as Classful vs Classless. What are the attributes of each? OSPF, I can't recall one question. Redistribution, about four questions. Do you know how routing protocols pick best path? You should before going in. How did I study? I listened to others on this forum. You will get lots of helpful tips from others. So, that said, thank you everyone including yourself. Hope when you pass a test you announce it here with some tips so we can congratulate you. I purchased the Exam Cram ISBN 1576106330 for BSCN Routing Exam 640-503. I studied and lived this book for two weeks. This book provides a good overview of what can be expected from the exam. However, not enough material is provided. You will need to supplement this with a better book or don't buy this. At the time I purchased this, no BSCN books were available. Oh, there are some concepts like BGP and EIGRP similarities that it does not explain well. I then was approved, narrowly, to take the Cisco BSCN class. This was helpful since there were issues with the book I was not clear on. I suggest you always study before a class. Classroom is for review not as a fresh introduction to material.didn't they teach you this in college? Cisco BSCN is tough since it was my first Cisco class. So get lots of rest and plan to stay till the end. BGP is introduced last, funny since it is the bulk of the test. Stay late and do the labs The NetCerts BSCN book was pretty good. The BGP part was great for explaining the concept really well. Other than that, there are several chapters I did not read. The chapters I skipped did not show up on the test. Concentrate on IGRP, RIP, EIGRP, BGP, Route filters and optimization...thats it! Oh, the Cisco paper on the website 68 pages or so was not too helpful. If you really want to know BGP, this is the way to go. But be sure to apply to an ISP to get the most of it. http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ics/icsbgp4.htm I'm a slow learner so it took me three months to study. Here is some tips: Don't watch movies or television. BIG waste of time. Make flash cards Get Boson's first exam for BSCN. If you don't, send ME your $100. Listen to yourself in traffic. Ha! Tape record the lessons and listen to them instead of music or car horns. Most of all, be good to your spouse and family. This will take a lot out of them too. I could tell you word for word what will be on the exam, but what good will this do you. You will pass the exams just to get fired on the job for incompetence. Enjoy. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VLSM
Prefix = Subnet mask , I was very confused of this until recently. Most books will go back and forth on the terms. Classful: RIP1 and IGRP: Will not pass subnet mask in routing updates. So you cannot use this with Summarization or VLSM. It restricts to classful addresses. This means Class A, B, or C. Classless: OSPF, EIGRP, IS-IS, Supports VLSM. CIDR aka Supernetting. You can adjust the subnet mask so not to restrict you to classul addresses. VLSM: Variable Lenth Subnet Mask, I think of this as subnetting in a subnet. Get the Exam Cram book. It will give you an overview of the BSCN material. This book helped me pretty good. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boson - Is it worth the time and money?
I am trying to learn, not only pass the exam. I think I'm ready. However, I would like a leg up too and not waste money on taking the exam. What is your two cents? Should I purchase it? One or all three? **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which is better ?
I don't know about Cisco yet, but with Windows NT, you have lots of control of the DHCP server. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: About BSCN
I think you would kick yourself if any of the materials in the Chapter you skipped showed up in the exam. Come on, read the chapters. How long will it take you, four to six hours at most. Like you said it is review. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BSCN OSPF multi-area...summarized from Eric McMasters
I finally got it. It helps if you draw a picture of what is happening. Below is a message from Eric McMasters author of Routing Exam Cram. He summarized it for me. I hope this helps someone. BTW, 100% positive some part of this will show on the test. Thanks again Eric!!! Look at it as a big picture. First you have your AS. Within this AS you have multiple areas. Your intra-area routes are routes that are only passed within a single area. Intra-area routes (LSA's 1 and 2) are the only routes that are allowed in a totally stubby area. To gain access outside of the area in a totally stubby setup routers have to use a default route from the ABR. Intra-area routes do not go beyond the boundaries of the area itself. Inter-area routes (LSA's 3 and 4) advertise routes outside of the area. This allows a router in area 1 to know about a route in area 4. These inter-area routes do not go beyond the boundaries of the AS. Now your external routes (LSA 5) are routes that come from an external AS or another protocol that is being redistributed into OSPF. These routes are propagated across the entire network unless a stub, totally stub, or nssa are configured. If this is the case the type 5 LSA's are stopped at the ABR. Even by creating a "redistribute static subnets" or a "redistribute connected" command under the OSPF process these routes will be treated as External routes (Type 5 LSA's) and will be propagated across the entire network. Now for a brief breakdown of the stub, totally stubby, and nssa areas and how they operate. With a stub area you are allowing inter and intra area routes (Type 1-4 LSA's). This will allow a router to know of a specific route in another area along with specific routes in his own area. These are good because it blocks Type 5 LSA's at the ABR, which are always flooded across a network. For a router to gain access to route via another process or a route that is being redistributed it will need to use a default route that is provided by the ABR. With a totally stubby area you are limiting the types of routes that are propagating the area. In this case you are only allowing intra-area routes (Types 1-2 LSA's). This is means that routers only know of routes within their specific area. If they need to get to another area they will have to use the default route that is provided by the ABR. Now the most confusing is the NSSA or Not-So-Stubby-Area. According to the rules of OSPF an area can not be a stub or totally stub area if a router in that area is an ASBR (Autonomous System Boundary Router). An ASBR is a router that connects two different AS's or a router that is "redistributing" anything under the OSPF process. You have the option of creating a NSSA, which is similar in function to a stub area in that it allows Type 1-4 LSA's, but it converts the Type 5 LSA's that are being created by the ASBR into Type 7 LSA's. The Type 7 LSA's are converted back to Type 5's at the ABR. The other option is to create a totally NSSA which is similar to the totally stubby area, but only allows Type 1-2, and 7 LSA's. I know that this is probably more that what you were looking for as far as an answer to your question, but knowing which LSA's are used for what makes the whole OSPF process easier to understand. For more on LSA's and OSPF in general I would recommend that you go to the Cisco website and do a search on "OSPF Design Guide". This design guide has some very useful information and can help in understanding OSPF operation. You can also do a search on "OSPF LSA types" and find out more on the OSPF LSA operation and functions. Hope that I didn't overload you and that you found some of this information useful. Thanks. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Phone Interview with Cisco
WOW! I feel for you. Best of luck **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Advise....Should I purchase routers ? How do you study for an exam?
Do you use routers to study as a study tool to pass your CCNP? Does it help you? I am contemplating on purchasing some routers to assist me in passing the exams and learn the equipment. My company will not send me to class, but will pay for my books. I pasted the CCNA, but I missed the ACRC test by three questions, now I am gun shy. Money is an object, I don't have much. However, I understand it is my future and I should invest in myself. PLEASE...answer me this... what routers should I purchase, what books would be valuable to buy, most of all, how do you study? I need your help. Please take the time to reply. Regards. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: many people are very great in this newsgroup
I have difficulty myself. For instance, I've been studying BSCN for 5 months and I don't feel any closer to taking the test. I read and read, but don't really understand. So, my plan is to purchase equipment, take a speed reading and memory enhancement course. Essentially, learn how to learn again. Let us face it, you need to find out how to learn and the best techniques that works for you. No one is smarter than you, they just know how to learnconcentrate, and dedicate yourself. Most of all, you need to enjoy what you are doing or it s...s to be you. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BCRAN test....was there fill in the blank? [7:10284]
In the BCRAN test, was there fill in the blank questions? Did you have type in the answer or was it a choose from a bank of answers? Will I need to be concerned what router mode the command must be typed in? Regards and thanks for your time. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=10284&t=10284 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How do I get into the COLT? [7:17531]
I am studying for my third Cisco exam. I've heard about taking the Colt testing for a practice dry run. How do I get into the COLT? I have a CCO account, but I can't seem to find the COLT within the CISCO website. Thanks in advance... Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=17531&t=17531 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed CCIE Written!
CONGRATS...you've done well. I can only study from books...is this possible? I'm working on my BSCN 640-503. Any advise? ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ACRC vs BSCN
I missed 3 questions on ACRC test. How different is BSCN. What books do you recommend? I used Sybex's ACRC. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VLAN problems with Catalyst 3548G
From what I recall only 1 VLAN interface can be up at one time. Think of the VLAN interfaces like the sc0 interface on a Cat5000 in that you can assign the VLAN and IP address of the switch itself for telnet/SNMP or other remote access to the switch. The difference being you don't have to reconfigure the VLAN interfaces when you want to change them, just shut one down and no shut the one you want to work. If you shutdown the VLAN 1 interface then do a no shut on the VLAN100 interface it should come up, make sure you have console access or telnet access to the IP address you assigned to the VLAN 100 interface or the switch may become unreachable.. Also note that even though the VLAN 100 interface is down that VLAN 100 would still exist and work for any ports that belong to that VLAN.. This is the same behavior as the Cat2900XL switches.. I hope this is what you were looking for... Greg Myran CCIE#5906 At 03:15 PM 6/5/2000 , Lance Hubbard wrote: >Got a new toy to play with...a Cat 3548G. Problem is, that while creating >a new VLAN (in this case I chose "VLAN 100"), The VLAN interface seems to >have a love affair with the shutdown/Administratively down state. Anyone >had similar hurdles to clear? (besides the obvious "no shutdown", it is >ineffective) > >Cheers, > >Lance > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >___ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DSL
No, it's not really possible. DSL uses ATM PVC's that originate on a DSLAM in your local CO. You have an ATM PVC from your home DSL CPE that is mapped across the telco's ATM network and finally terminates on a router at your ISP. Some ISP's may offer an additional service that will allows the PPP session that rides over your PVC to terminate on a corporate router but it's usually as part of remote-access contract between your company and the ISP. So, simply put DSL uses static ATM PVC's and does not offer the same dynamic nature as ISDN does... Greg Myran CCIE #5906 At 11:14 AM 6/9/2000 , Ole Drews Jensen wrote: >Not knowing much about DSL yet, I have a question to those of you who knows >it better. > >With a DSL installed on an existing phone line in two offices, would it be >possible to drop the ISP and to connect directly from one office to the >other just like ISDN, or is that still something out there in the future? > >If not - please explain why. > >Thanks, > >Ole > >~ > Ole Drews Jensen > Systems Network Manager > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I > RWR Enterprises, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >~ > >___ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CIT, about to take test, any suggestions. KARMA to you. [7:20927]
Wow! I can hardly believe it myself. I am almost a CCNP. I want this status so bad that I even brought my book to Disneyland this weekend and studied while my family was enjoying themselves. Am I a nut? Any help or suggestions, thanks a bunch. I am about to face off with my last exam. I've been concentration on commands, however, I feel this may be a mistake. I would appreciate any help. Hope I or some one else can return the favor next time. Ariel Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=20927&t=20927 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CBT - Cisco Implementing BGP
I need this to help me study the BGP part of the exam for Cisco Routing 640-540. Anyone willing to share? **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Book Reviews
Great idea. I can certainly use and contribute to this. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 640-504
There are tons of exam questions on the Routing Exam 640-503 Chapter 14 Exam Cram book. I am studying for the test now. Thomas' book. Is this the Cisco version?
BSCN; Inter vs.Intra
Thank all. I still have a hard time with these two; intra and inter. I still get confused. In the OSPF with multiple areas, it describes how stub area carries Intra-area and Inter-area routes but not routes external to the AS. Is intra-area routes, routes with in the area? Is inter-area routes, routes outside of the area, but does not include routes outside of the AS? It would help if you can give me some help with this concept. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Review of Routing ExamCram Book
Luuukkkee; The order I've seen recommended appears to be BSCN, Remote Access, BCMSN, and CIT. I've started studying the BSCN last week. I've read and outlined the entire Routing ExamCram Book (2X), ISBN1576106330. I loved it. It is a good overview of the material. This is good before diving into the Cisco book (not yet published). McMasters, publisher of Routing scans this site for questions and is very kind. Book is easy to read. The other book is Internet Routing Architectures by Halabi. This is tough, must read book for the BGP part of the exam. It appears only Chapter 5 is useful. I missed the ACRC exam on the last day the test was given by 2 questions. I used only one book, Sybex, big mistake. I rushed through the studies. I don't plan to miss it again. So I have some knowledge of the material. I am trying to get together a private study group for BSCN (Routing exam). Communication will be via email. I just started the CCNP course. If you would like to work together, give me a reply. Oh, you will need to read and outline the ExamCram as well. Then, I will send you all the neat things I've collected. Let me know if you are serious. Oh, I will not take a class nor have a router available. I am strictly book study...trying to do with what I have a tiny brain. I plan to take the test in four weeks. Regards. 818.704.2969 So. California **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DR/BDR in OSPF
Guess who? I understand that the DR sends the link state update to all adjacent OSPF routers. Essentially flooding the network. The router that detected the change to the link state directly sends the LSU to the DR and BDR. my tiny brain not working Anyone differ, please feel free. Just helping out...hopefully. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New! Study forum just for BCRAN. Hope this helps out.
Go to http://seneca.com/boards/541 This is new, you may be the first to post. Please be supportive. This should gain popularity. This will condense and bring us all together. Please have respect for others while posting messages. Ariel **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wrong URL. Sorry Try this
http://senac.com/boards/541/ This is the correct one. I have a bad habit of think of this as a drink...Do you remember the drink seneca. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New! BSCN and BCRAN Study Group
Look what I found. I think this is a great idea. Hope it takes off. If you don't like it, then give me a better idea. As of now, there are so many information in Newsgroups that is not pertinent to studying for the examI'm trying 'Alright'. http://senac.com/boards/540/ is for BSCN Above is the BSCN study group. This is a more focused area where we can all look. http://senac.com/boards/541 is for BCRAN **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Will CCNA 1.0 counts toward CCNP 2.0 certification?
I was under the understanding that once you pass CCNA1.0, this will count towards CCNP 2.0. I was told that you would not have to retake the CCNA 1.0. Was this incorrect? ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
Is this the Cisco Press book BSCN that you are referring to? What are you using to study for BSCN? Regards, ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: packet replay?
Congratulations Jason, I tried to personally email you, but the message came back. Hope this is okay. I read your posting on GroupStudy.com. I just found this newsgroup. You mentioned you passed your Routing 2.0 exam. Is this the 640-503 exam? I took the ACRC on the last day it was offered. I missed it by 3 questions. I strictly used the Sybex book. I guess this was wrong. What book did you use? Any pointers or suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm eager and desperate to pass this exam. Hope to hear from you. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: packet replay?
R U suggesting I take the CCNA 2.0 also? Isn't passing the CCNA 1.0 enough? I should move onYou'd be the second one to recommend this. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bcsn
If you look around, people who have taken the BSCN mention 30% consist of BGP. I missed the ACRC by 3 questions, I guess I did not know it. However, it only had 1 question at the time on BGP. I would look into purchasing a new BSCN book. I've recently learned from my publisher that the CISCO version of BSCN book is delayed for release. Try Examcram.com. I'm not sure how good their book is. If it is as good as their Windows NT stuff, I'd bank on it. Here are the books I've ordered for this test. Keep in touch if you want to pal around for the BSCN test. I can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best wishes http://www.examcram.com/ecstore/product.asp?sku=1047 CCNP Routing Exam Cram ISBN 1576106330 http://www.opamp.com/cf/title.cfm?SRow=1&Title=&Author=halabi Internet Routing Architectures ISBN 157870233X note the author Bassam Halabi **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSCN--Exan640-503 books
These are the books I've been told are good. Decide for yourself. Cisco version is delayed 'again' till end of month. http://www.examcram.com/ecstore/product.asp?sku=1047 CCNP Routing Exam Cram ISBN 1576106330 http://www.opamp.com/cf/title.cfm?SRow=1&Title=&Author=halabi Internet Routing Architectures ISBN 157870233X **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
