Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from with Microsoft Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried looking on CCO and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of them interact, if at all. Thanks, Chris Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40095&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
Do you really want to trust the management of your core equipment to anything microsoft puts out? >>> "Mann, Chris" 04/01/02 04:05PM >>> Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from with Microsoft Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried looking on CCO and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of them interact, if at all. Thanks, Chris Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40099&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
Chris, We've been looking into several network management packages. The answers all seem to be the same. Network management software can find devices via a number of methods but all need the hardware vendor's specific management software to adequately work with each company's devices. In the case of Cisco that would of course be Cisco Works. I don't know yet whether MS's SMS software interfaces with CiscoWorks or not but it would certainly be able to manage it via Active Directory. There are several other companies that have similar software that would integrate with Active Directory as well. Hope that helps some, David Armstrong ""Mann, Chris"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from with Microsoft > Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried looking on CCO > and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of them interact, > if at all. > > Thanks, > > Chris Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40104&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
Chris, Let me add to what David has said well. While Active Directory is Microsoft Directory service and is based on industry standard X.500 and LDAP and Kerboros. It is SNMP that is the only link between your Microsoft and Cisco devices. Therefore, management at best is monitoring the whole network. I think you will find that programs, such as Ciscoworks, are written because of the nature of business. Every manufacture wants his product to be unique. As far as SMS goes, it is capable of detection and monitor any snmp device. The key would be the response to the monitoring. SMS could only notify you at certain alert levels. This may be fine for your purposes. As final thought, consider your purposes and needs for management. I think that a combination of products is currently your best for full management! Bill Harrison MCSE, CCNP Instructor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Armstrong Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 4:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] Chris, We've been looking into several network management packages. The answers all seem to be the same. Network management software can find devices via a number of methods but all need the hardware vendor's specific management software to adequately work with each company's devices. In the case of Cisco that would of course be Cisco Works. I don't know yet whether MS's SMS software interfaces with CiscoWorks or not but it would certainly be able to manage it via Active Directory. There are several other companies that have similar software that would integrate with Active Directory as well. Hope that helps some, David Armstrong ""Mann, Chris"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from with Microsoft > Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried looking on CCO > and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of them interact, > if at all. > > Thanks, > > Chris Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40113&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
But let me add this. While SNMP is indeed the present industry standard, Cisco is now moving ahead with its CGMA initiative to open its routers to management and configuration via XML, which could in the future serve as a much more flexible management and configuration platform than what is available currently, perhaps tied into the whole Web-services movement. ""William Harrison"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Chris, > > Let me add to what David has said well. While Active Directory is Microsoft > Directory service and is based on industry standard X.500 and LDAP and > Kerboros. It is SNMP that is the only link between your Microsoft and Cisco > devices. Therefore, management at best is monitoring the whole network. I > think you will find that programs, such as Ciscoworks, are written because > of the nature of business. Every manufacture wants his product to be > unique. As far as SMS goes, it is capable of detection and monitor any snmp > device. The key would be the response to the monitoring. SMS could only > notify you at certain alert levels. This may be fine for your purposes. > > As final thought, consider your purposes and needs for management. I think > that a combination of products is currently your best for full management! > > Bill Harrison > MCSE, CCNP > Instructor > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > David Armstrong > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 4:10 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > Chris, > > We've been looking into several network management packages. The answers all > seem to be the same. Network management software can find devices via a > number of methods but all need the hardware vendor's specific management > software to adequately work with each company's devices. In the case of > Cisco that would of course be Cisco Works. I don't know yet whether MS's SMS > software interfaces with CiscoWorks or not but it would certainly be able to > manage it via Active Directory. There are several other companies that have > similar software that would integrate with Active Directory as well. > > Hope that helps some, > > David Armstrong > > ""Mann, Chris"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from with Microsoft > > Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried looking on CCO > > and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of them > interact, > > if at all. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chris Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40119&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
brilliant ""Patrick Ramsey"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Do you really want to trust the management of your core equipment to > anything microsoft puts out? > > >>> "Mann, Chris" 04/01/02 04:05PM >>> > Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from with Microsoft > Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried looking on CCO > and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of them interact, > if at all. > > Thanks, > > Chris Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40130&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
And to add to what William has written ... The current package we're looking at to manage our network is Computer Associates Unicenter. At it's core it's nothing more than another SNMP tool; however, it will integrate with about every company's software. With it we can drill through our network to the Cisco device we would like to work on, click it and CiscoWorks will open for that device. The same is true of Bay Networks, Cabletron and a host of other manufacturer's products (servers, etc.) as well. You might take a look at their product line and HP Openviwe to give you a direction to go in. Here is the URL to CA's product: http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/SubSolution.asp?ID=2846 That should be at leat a good 15 minutes worth of reading ;-) ""William Harrison"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Chris, > > Let me add to what David has said well. While Active Directory is Microsoft > Directory service and is based on industry standard X.500 and LDAP and > Kerboros. It is SNMP that is the only link between your Microsoft and Cisco > devices. Therefore, management at best is monitoring the whole network. I > think you will find that programs, such as Ciscoworks, are written because > of the nature of business. Every manufacture wants his product to be > unique. As far as SMS goes, it is capable of detection and monitor any snmp > device. The key would be the response to the monitoring. SMS could only > notify you at certain alert levels. This may be fine for your purposes. > > As final thought, consider your purposes and needs for management. I think > that a combination of products is currently your best for full management! > > Bill Harrison > MCSE, CCNP > Instructor > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > David Armstrong > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 4:10 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > Chris, > > We've been looking into several network management packages. The answers all > seem to be the same. Network management software can find devices via a > number of methods but all need the hardware vendor's specific management > software to adequately work with each company's devices. In the case of > Cisco that would of course be Cisco Works. I don't know yet whether MS's SMS > software interfaces with CiscoWorks or not but it would certainly be able to > manage it via Active Directory. There are several other companies that have > similar software that would integrate with Active Directory as well. > > Hope that helps some, > > David Armstrong > > ""Mann, Chris"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from with Microsoft > > Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried looking on CCO > > and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of them > interact, > > if at all. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chris Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40181&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
Another example of useless comments and waste of bandwidth... just like the one I'm making now.. ""Patrick Ramsey"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Do you really want to trust the management of your core equipment to > anything microsoft puts out? > > >>> "Mann, Chris" 04/01/02 04:05PM >>> > Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from with Microsoft > Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried looking on CCO > and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of them interact, > if at all. > > Thanks, > > Chris Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40187&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
Beware of Unicenter! -Original Message- From: David Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 8:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] And to add to what William has written ... The current package we're looking at to manage our network is Computer Associates Unicenter. At it's core it's nothing more than another SNMP tool; however, it will integrate with about every company's software. With it we can drill through our network to the Cisco device we would like to work on, click it and CiscoWorks will open for that device. The same is true of Bay Networks, Cabletron and a host of other manufacturer's products (servers, etc.) as well. You might take a look at their product line and HP Openviwe to give you a direction to go in. Here is the URL to CA's product: http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/SubSolution.asp?ID=2846 That should be at leat a good 15 minutes worth of reading ;-) ""William Harrison"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Chris, > > Let me add to what David has said well. While Active Directory is Microsoft > Directory service and is based on industry standard X.500 and LDAP and > Kerboros. It is SNMP that is the only link between your Microsoft and Cisco > devices. Therefore, management at best is monitoring the whole network. I > think you will find that programs, such as Ciscoworks, are written because > of the nature of business. Every manufacture wants his product to be > unique. As far as SMS goes, it is capable of detection and monitor any snmp > device. The key would be the response to the monitoring. SMS could only > notify you at certain alert levels. This may be fine for your purposes. > > As final thought, consider your purposes and needs for management. I think > that a combination of products is currently your best for full management! > > Bill Harrison > MCSE, CCNP > Instructor > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > David Armstrong > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 4:10 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > Chris, > > We've been looking into several network management packages. The answers all > seem to be the same. Network management software can find devices via a > number of methods but all need the hardware vendor's specific management > software to adequately work with each company's devices. In the case of > Cisco that would of course be Cisco Works. I don't know yet whether MS's SMS > software interfaces with CiscoWorks or not but it would certainly be able to > manage it via Active Directory. There are several other companies that have > similar software that would integrate with Active Directory as well. > > Hope that helps some, > > David Armstrong > > ""Mann, Chris"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from with Microsoft > > Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried looking on CCO > > and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of them > interact, > > if at all. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chris Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40194&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
Another added tidbit:
we have been using CA TNG 3.0 and if you want to use Cisco, plan on writing
custom agents, which translate to crummy support, (because now you are
'customized' )from CA,and we didn't even do the coding, and well, heck,, I
shouldn't get started on them and product scope, reliability, support,
blah blah.
One extremely large customer of ours, just gave them the boot, as well as a
couple of others. This is NOT intended to stir it up, just factual
observations. The political structure of CA is unstable as well. IMHO,
use HP OpenView. I think network folks overlook the amount of
bandwidth that is needed for WAN enterprise agents, the more you monitor,
the more you pay, one way or another. Serious attention must be given to
total cost of ownership: labor, equipment, support, bandwidth (agents),
training etc.
All have a great day.
Kevin McCarty
CCNA CCNP
Computer Sciences Corporation
Defense Sector
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And to add to what William has written ...
The current package we're looking at to manage our network is Computer
Associates Unicenter. At it's core it's nothing more than another SNMP
tool;
however, it will integrate with about every company's software. With it we
can drill through our network to the Cisco device we would like to work on,
click it and CiscoWorks will open for that device. The same is true of Bay
Networks, Cabletron and a host of other manufacturer's products (servers,
etc.) as well.
You might take a look at their product line and HP Openviwe to give you a
direction to go in. Here is the URL to CA's product:
http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/SubSolution.asp?ID=2846
That should be at leat a good 15 minutes worth of reading ;-)
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> Chris,
>
> Let me add to what David has said well. While Active Directory is
Microsoft
> Directory service and is based on industry standard X.500 and LDAP and
> Kerboros. It is SNMP that is the only link between your Microsoft and
Cisco
> devices. Therefore, management at best is monitoring the whole network.
I
> think you will find that programs, such as Ciscoworks, are written
because
> of the nature of business. Every manufacture wants his product to be
> unique. As far as SMS goes, it is capable of detection and monitor any
snmp
> device. The key would be the response to the monitoring. SMS could only
> notify you at certain alert levels. This may be fine for your purposes.
>
> As final thought, consider your purposes and needs for management. I
think
> that a combination of products is currently your best for full
management!
>
> Bill Harrison
> MCSE, CCNP
> Instructor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> David Armstrong
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 4:10 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
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>
> Chris,
>
> We've been looking into several network management packages. The answers
all
> seem to be the same. Network management software can find devices via a
> number of methods but all need the hardware vendor's specific management
> software to adequately work with each company's devices. In the case of
> Cisco that would of course be Cisco Works. I don't know yet whether MS's
SMS
> software interfaces with CiscoWorks or not but it would certainly be able
to
> manage it via Active Directory. There are several other companies that
have
> similar software that would integrate with Active Directory as well.
>
> Hope that helps some,
>
> David Armstrong
>
> ""Mann, Chris"" wrote in message
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> > Can Cisco routers and switches be
Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
Chris, Ignore the MS bashers. There is at least a statement of direction that they will work with MS active directory. I don't know how far along it is. The idea is that when a user logs in the switch will setup the vlan on the port from the users active directory profile. For companies with users on MS platforms (and there are a few out there) this will have some big advantages. Vlan setup will get much easier and vlans will be much more secure. Can any Cisco people out there give us an idea on how far away this is? >From: "Wow" >Reply-To: "Wow" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] >Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:29:27 -0500 > >brilliant > >""Patrick Ramsey"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Do you really want to trust the management of your core equipment to > > anything microsoft puts out? > > > > >>> "Mann, Chris" 04/01/02 04:05PM >>> > > Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from with Microsoft > > Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried looking on >CCO > > and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of them >interact, > > if at all. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chris _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40251&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
This is here now. It is called 802.1x and the operating system must support it natively. The only operating system supporting it now is Windows XP and .NET. Microsoft has made the statement that they will not be porting it to Windows 2000. You'll remember a number of bugs back when XP Beta came out and how switches VMPS/URT capable were choking on 802.1x packets. Cisco switches are capable of supporting 802.1x now. David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Wes Stevens > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:21 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > Chris, > > Ignore the MS bashers. > > There is at least a statement of direction that they will work with MS > active directory. I don't know how far along it is. The idea is > that when a > user logs in the switch will setup the vlan on the port from the users > active directory profile. > > For companies with users on MS platforms (and there are a few out there) > this will have some big advantages. Vlan setup will get much easier and > vlans will be much more secure. > > Can any Cisco people out there give us an idea on how far away this is? > > > > > >From: "Wow" > >Reply-To: "Wow" > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > >Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:29:27 -0500 > > > >brilliant > > > >""Patrick Ramsey"" wrote in message > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Do you really want to trust the management of your core equipment to > > > anything microsoft puts out? > > > > > > >>> "Mann, Chris" 04/01/02 04:05PM >>> > > > Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from with Microsoft > > > Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried > looking on > >CCO > > > and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of them > >interact, > > > if at all. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Chris > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40272&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
Microsoft bashing aside, I can indeed see how it might be useful to integrate the management of Cisco gear into a more fluid directory scheme, perhaps supplemented with web-services and so forth. It doesn't need to be Microsoft - surely it is not impossible to consider a system where a directory of network gear is implanted via LDAP in, say, iPlanet Directory running on a Sun box, and configuration changes could be made via XML/SOAP. Service-providers might be able to exploit this to do provisioning on the fly and so forth. Of course, right now, that's all pie-in-the-sky. Still, the idea is nice. ""Wes Stevens"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Chris, > > Ignore the MS bashers. > > There is at least a statement of direction that they will work with MS > active directory. I don't know how far along it is. The idea is that when a > user logs in the switch will setup the vlan on the port from the users > active directory profile. > > For companies with users on MS platforms (and there are a few out there) > this will have some big advantages. Vlan setup will get much easier and > vlans will be much more secure. > > Can any Cisco people out there give us an idea on how far away this is? > > > > > >From: "Wow" > >Reply-To: "Wow" > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > >Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:29:27 -0500 > > > >brilliant > > > >""Patrick Ramsey"" wrote in message > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Do you really want to trust the management of your core equipment to > > > anything microsoft puts out? > > > > > > >>> "Mann, Chris" 04/01/02 04:05PM >>> > > > Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from with Microsoft > > > Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried looking on > >CCO > > > and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of them > >interact, > > > if at all. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Chris > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40276&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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""David C Prall"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > This is here now. It is called 802.1x and the operating system must support > it natively. The only operating system supporting it now is Windows XP and > .NET. Microsoft has made the statement that they will not be porting it to > Windows 2000. You'll remember a number of bugs back when XP Beta came out > and how switches VMPS/URT capable were choking on 802.1x packets. Cisco > switches are capable of supporting 802.1x now. Correction - SOME Cisco switches support 802.1x now, not all. Most significantly, the 4000 and 6000 do not at this time. > > David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > Wes Stevens > > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:21 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > > > > Chris, > > > > Ignore the MS bashers. > > > > There is at least a statement of direction that they will work with MS > > active directory. I don't know how far along it is. The idea is > > that when a > > user logs in the switch will setup the vlan on the port from the users > > active directory profile. > > > > For companies with users on MS platforms (and there are a few out there) > > this will have some big advantages. Vlan setup will get much easier and > > vlans will be much more secure. > > > > Can any Cisco people out there give us an idea on how far away this is? > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Wow" > > >Reply-To: "Wow" > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > >Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:29:27 -0500 > > > > > >brilliant > > > > > >""Patrick Ramsey"" wrote in message > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Do you really want to trust the management of your core equipment to > > > > anything microsoft puts out? > > > > > > > > >>> "Mann, Chris" 04/01/02 04:05PM >>> > > > > Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from with Microsoft > > > > Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried > > looking on > > >CCO > > > > and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of them > > >interact, > > > > if at all. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Chris > > _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40293&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
The 4000 and 6000 support 802.1x as of 6.2(1), and so does the 5000 Series http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat4000/relnotes/ol_2117 .htm#xtocid14 http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/relnotes/78_1123 5.htm#xtocid15 David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > nrf > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:04 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > ""David C Prall"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > This is here now. It is called 802.1x and the operating system must > support > > it natively. The only operating system supporting it now is > Windows XP and > > .NET. Microsoft has made the statement that they will not be > porting it to > > Windows 2000. You'll remember a number of bugs back when XP > Beta came out > > and how switches VMPS/URT capable were choking on 802.1x packets. Cisco > > switches are capable of supporting 802.1x now. > > Correction - SOME Cisco switches support 802.1x now, not all. Most > significantly, the 4000 and 6000 do not at this time. > > > > > David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > > Wes Stevens > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:21 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > Ignore the MS bashers. > > > > > > There is at least a statement of direction that they will work with MS > > > active directory. I don't know how far along it is. The idea is > > > that when a > > > user logs in the switch will setup the vlan on the port from the users > > > active directory profile. > > > > > > For companies with users on MS platforms (and there are a few > out there) > > > this will have some big advantages. Vlan setup will get much > easier and > > > vlans will be much more secure. > > > > > > Can any Cisco people out there give us an idea on how far > away this is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Wow" > > > >Reply-To: "Wow" > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > >Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:29:27 -0500 > > > > > > > >brilliant > > > > > > > >""Patrick Ramsey"" wrote in message > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > Do you really want to trust the management of your core > equipment to > > > > > anything microsoft puts out? > > > > > > > > > > >>> "Mann, Chris" 04/01/02 04:05PM >>> > > > > > Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from > with Microsoft > > > > > Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried > > > looking on > > > >CCO > > > > > and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of them > > > >interact, > > > > > if at all. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > _ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40323&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
That's interesting. I wonder why the commands are not available in my switch (a 6500 running 7.1). Hmmm... ""David C Prall"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > The 4000 and 6000 support 802.1x as of 6.2(1), and so does the 5000 Series > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat4000/relnotes/ol_2117 > .htm#xtocid14 > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/relnotes/78_1123 > 5.htm#xtocid15 > > David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > nrf > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:04 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > > > > ""David C Prall"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > This is here now. It is called 802.1x and the operating system must > > support > > > it natively. The only operating system supporting it now is > > Windows XP and > > > .NET. Microsoft has made the statement that they will not be > > porting it to > > > Windows 2000. You'll remember a number of bugs back when XP > > Beta came out > > > and how switches VMPS/URT capable were choking on 802.1x packets. Cisco > > > switches are capable of supporting 802.1x now. > > > > Correction - SOME Cisco switches support 802.1x now, not all. Most > > significantly, the 4000 and 6000 do not at this time. > > > > > > > > David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > > > Wes Stevens > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:21 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > > > Ignore the MS bashers. > > > > > > > > There is at least a statement of direction that they will work with MS > > > > active directory. I don't know how far along it is. The idea is > > > > that when a > > > > user logs in the switch will setup the vlan on the port from the users > > > > active directory profile. > > > > > > > > For companies with users on MS platforms (and there are a few > > out there) > > > > this will have some big advantages. Vlan setup will get much > > easier and > > > > vlans will be much more secure. > > > > > > > > Can any Cisco people out there give us an idea on how far > > away this is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Wow" > > > > >Reply-To: "Wow" > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > > >Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:29:27 -0500 > > > > > > > > > >brilliant > > > > > > > > > >""Patrick Ramsey"" wrote in message > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > Do you really want to trust the management of your core > > equipment to > > > > > > anything microsoft puts out? > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> "Mann, Chris" 04/01/02 04:05PM >>> > > > > > > Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from > > with Microsoft > > > > > > Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried > > > > looking on > > > > >CCO > > > > > > and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of them > > > > >interact, > > > > > > if at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > _ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40418&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
Whoops, my mistake. People told me that the switch was running 7.1, but I now see that it is not. That's why I couldn't find the dot1x commands. My bad. ""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > That's interesting. I wonder why the commands are not available in my > switch (a 6500 running 7.1). Hmmm... > > > ""David C Prall"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > The 4000 and 6000 support 802.1x as of 6.2(1), and so does the 5000 Series > > > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat4000/relnotes/ol_2117 > > .htm#xtocid14 > > > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/relnotes/78_1123 > > 5.htm#xtocid15 > > > > David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > > nrf > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:04 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > > > > > > > ""David C Prall"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > This is here now. It is called 802.1x and the operating system must > > > support > > > > it natively. The only operating system supporting it now is > > > Windows XP and > > > > .NET. Microsoft has made the statement that they will not be > > > porting it to > > > > Windows 2000. You'll remember a number of bugs back when XP > > > Beta came out > > > > and how switches VMPS/URT capable were choking on 802.1x packets. > Cisco > > > > switches are capable of supporting 802.1x now. > > > > > > Correction - SOME Cisco switches support 802.1x now, not all. Most > > > significantly, the 4000 and 6000 do not at this time. > > > > > > > > > > > David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf > Of > > > > > Wes Stevens > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:21 PM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > > > > > Ignore the MS bashers. > > > > > > > > > > There is at least a statement of direction that they will work with > MS > > > > > active directory. I don't know how far along it is. The idea is > > > > > that when a > > > > > user logs in the switch will setup the vlan on the port from the > users > > > > > active directory profile. > > > > > > > > > > For companies with users on MS platforms (and there are a few > > > out there) > > > > > this will have some big advantages. Vlan setup will get much > > > easier and > > > > > vlans will be much more secure. > > > > > > > > > > Can any Cisco people out there give us an idea on how far > > > away this is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Wow" > > > > > >Reply-To: "Wow" > > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > > > >Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:29:27 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > >brilliant > > > > > > > > > > > >""Patrick Ramsey"" wrote in message > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > > Do you really want to trust the management of your core > > > equipment to > > > > > > > anything microsoft puts out? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> "Mann, Chris" 04/01/02 04:05PM >>> > > > > > > > Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from > > > with Microsoft > > > > > > > Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried > > > > > looking on > > > > > >CCO > > > > > > > and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of > them > > > > > >interact, > > > > > > > if at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > _ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40420&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
Here are the docs on its configuration for 7.1 http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/sw_7_1/conf_gd/a uthent.htm David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > nrf > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:11 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > That's interesting. I wonder why the commands are not available in my > switch (a 6500 running 7.1). Hmmm... > > > ""David C Prall"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > The 4000 and 6000 support 802.1x as of 6.2(1), and so does the > 5000 Series > > > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat4000/relnot > es/ol_2117 > > .htm#xtocid14 > > > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/relnot > es/78_1123 > > 5.htm#xtocid15 > > > > David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > > nrf > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:04 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > > > > > > > ""David C Prall"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > This is here now. It is called 802.1x and the operating system must > > > support > > > > it natively. The only operating system supporting it now is > > > Windows XP and > > > > .NET. Microsoft has made the statement that they will not be > > > porting it to > > > > Windows 2000. You'll remember a number of bugs back when XP > > > Beta came out > > > > and how switches VMPS/URT capable were choking on 802.1x packets. > Cisco > > > > switches are capable of supporting 802.1x now. > > > > > > Correction - SOME Cisco switches support 802.1x now, not all. Most > > > significantly, the 4000 and 6000 do not at this time. > > > > > > > > > > > David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf > Of > > > > > Wes Stevens > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:21 PM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > > > > > Ignore the MS bashers. > > > > > > > > > > There is at least a statement of direction that they will > work with > MS > > > > > active directory. I don't know how far along it is. The idea is > > > > > that when a > > > > > user logs in the switch will setup the vlan on the port from the > users > > > > > active directory profile. > > > > > > > > > > For companies with users on MS platforms (and there are a few > > > out there) > > > > > this will have some big advantages. Vlan setup will get much > > > easier and > > > > > vlans will be much more secure. > > > > > > > > > > Can any Cisco people out there give us an idea on how far > > > away this is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Wow" > > > > > >Reply-To: "Wow" > > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > > > >Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:29:27 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > >brilliant > > > > > > > > > > > >""Patrick Ramsey"" wrote in message > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > > Do you really want to trust the management of your core > > > equipment to > > > > > > > anything microsoft puts out? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> "Mann, Chris" 04/01/02 04:05PM >>> > > > > > > > Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from > > > with Microsoft > > > > > > > Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried > > > > > looking on > > > > > >CCO > > > > > > > and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of > them > > > > > >interact, > > > > > > > if at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > _ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40422&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
Yeah yeah, like I said, it was my bad. I was told the switch was running 7.1, and I foolishly didn't bother to check the version myself. ""David C Prall"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Here are the docs on its configuration for 7.1 > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/sw_7_1/conf_gd/a > uthent.htm > > David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > nrf > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:11 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > > > > That's interesting. I wonder why the commands are not available in my > > switch (a 6500 running 7.1). Hmmm... > > > > > > ""David C Prall"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > The 4000 and 6000 support 802.1x as of 6.2(1), and so does the > > 5000 Series > > > > > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat4000/relnot > > es/ol_2117 > > > .htm#xtocid14 > > > > > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/relnot > > es/78_1123 > > > 5.htm#xtocid15 > > > > > > David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > > > nrf > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:04 AM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > > > > > > > > > > ""David C Prall"" wrote in message > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > This is here now. It is called 802.1x and the operating system must > > > > support > > > > > it natively. The only operating system supporting it now is > > > > Windows XP and > > > > > .NET. Microsoft has made the statement that they will not be > > > > porting it to > > > > > Windows 2000. You'll remember a number of bugs back when XP > > > > Beta came out > > > > > and how switches VMPS/URT capable were choking on 802.1x packets. > > Cisco > > > > > switches are capable of supporting 802.1x now. > > > > > > > > Correction - SOME Cisco switches support 802.1x now, not all. Most > > > > significantly, the 4000 and 6000 do not at this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf > > Of > > > > > > Wes Stevens > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:21 PM > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignore the MS bashers. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is at least a statement of direction that they will > > work with > > MS > > > > > > active directory. I don't know how far along it is. The idea is > > > > > > that when a > > > > > > user logs in the switch will setup the vlan on the port from the > > users > > > > > > active directory profile. > > > > > > > > > > > > For companies with users on MS platforms (and there are a few > > > > out there) > > > > > > this will have some big advantages. Vlan setup will get much > > > > easier and > > > > > > vlans will be much more secure. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any Cisco people out there give us an idea on how far > > > > away this is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Wow" > > > > > > >Reply-To: "Wow" > > > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:29:27 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >brilliant > > > > > > > > > > > > > >""Patrick Ramsey"" wrote in message > > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > > > Do you really want to trust the management of your core > > > > equipment to > > > > > > > > anything microsoft puts out? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> "Mann, Chris" 04/01/02 04:05PM >>> > > > > > > > > Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from > > > > with Microsoft > > > > > > > > Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried > > > > > > looking on > > > > > > >CCO > > > > > > > > and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of > > them > > > > > > >interact, > > > > > > > > if at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > _ > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40428&t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
