Re: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117]
Thanks everyone for the great comments and replies. This was all very helpfull. Dain Brad Dodds wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Where I work, we have 5 dry pair circuits to customers (out of 1300). We provide the signaling on the lines with sets of Campus brand pair gain units at the sites and 14 card chassis style pair gain unit at our POP. They are much less expensive ($18 per month vs. $100 for business class DSL) but I can say the savings of $80 dollars or so a month is NOT WORTH IT for an organization that needs 24 X 7 availability of the circuit. The telco only garuntees that the wire won't have any opens or shorts, they make no promise of the medium having low noise ratio on the line. These legacy circuits have been very much a problem when it rains, gets hot or anytime the weather changes, but our customers are spoiled by the inexpensive price and won't upgrade to another, more reliable delivery. The telco seems very aware of the low/no profit margin on these circuits and are generally not very motivated to spend much time on them when there is a problem. I strongly discourage service providers from deploying this type of technology, however, we are getting ready to test a newer type of magic box (called Storm Port by vendor-I think) which is supposedly able to deliver 6Meg across dry pair at much greater distances. We are very skeptical of the vendors claims, but one of our customers which the vendor pitched wants to try it. I will report back to the group on how it works out. Chuck Whose Road is Ever Shorter wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Uh, what is dry copper? Is it analogous to dark fiber? as a matter of fact, yes. copper from your friendly telco with no dial tone. a local loop with no signaling equipoment attached. alarm companies use it extensively, place their own signal on it, and thwart the burglars I have heard tell of folks using dry pair to create private point to point DSL. I don't personally know anyone who has done so. HTH Thanks Priscilla Chuck Whose Road is Ever Shorte wrote: Dain Deutschman wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, Does anyone know if Cisco makes a product similar to the Pairgain Campus HRS or Celsian G250 LAN Extenders? I want to create a dsl connection over dry copper between two sites. Cisco reseller helpline was mildly helpfull. What are some of you using for this type of situation? I have heard it said that all you need to do is connect a couple of 827's and you are done. I don't know the specifics.. :- http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010823.html http://www.isp-planet.com/technology/homebrew_dsl.html one place I saw said to check out what alarm companies order - they use dry copper. or you can use the Long Reach ethernet product from Cisco at each end. I'm sure there are competitors. Thanks, -- Dain Deutschman ccnp, css-1, cnss infosec, mcp, cna Data Communications Manager New Star Sales and Service, Inc. **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=74765t=74117 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117]
Where I work, we have 5 dry pair circuits to customers (out of 1300). We provide the signaling on the lines with sets of Campus brand pair gain units at the sites and 14 card chassis style pair gain unit at our POP. They are much less expensive ($18 per month vs. $100 for business class DSL) but I can say the savings of $80 dollars or so a month is NOT WORTH IT for an organization that needs 24 X 7 availability of the circuit. The telco only garuntees that the wire won't have any opens or shorts, they make no promise of the medium having low noise ratio on the line. These legacy circuits have been very much a problem when it rains, gets hot or anytime the weather changes, but our customers are spoiled by the inexpensive price and won't upgrade to another, more reliable delivery. The telco seems very aware of the low/no profit margin on these circuits and are generally not very motivated to spend much time on them when there is a problem. I strongly discourage service providers from deploying this type of technology, however, we are getting ready to test a newer type of magic box (called Storm Port by vendor-I think) which is supposedly able to deliver 6Meg across dry pair at much greater distances. We are very skeptical of the vendors claims, but one of our customers which the vendor pitched wants to try it. I will report back to the group on how it works out. Chuck Whose Road is Ever Shorter wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Uh, what is dry copper? Is it analogous to dark fiber? as a matter of fact, yes. copper from your friendly telco with no dial tone. a local loop with no signaling equipoment attached. alarm companies use it extensively, place their own signal on it, and thwart the burglars I have heard tell of folks using dry pair to create private point to point DSL. I don't personally know anyone who has done so. HTH Thanks Priscilla Chuck Whose Road is Ever Shorte wrote: Dain Deutschman wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, Does anyone know if Cisco makes a product similar to the Pairgain Campus HRS or Celsian G250 LAN Extenders? I want to create a dsl connection over dry copper between two sites. Cisco reseller helpline was mildly helpfull. What are some of you using for this type of situation? I have heard it said that all you need to do is connect a couple of 827's and you are done. I don't know the specifics.. :- http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010823.html http://www.isp-planet.com/technology/homebrew_dsl.html one place I saw said to check out what alarm companies order - they use dry copper. or you can use the Long Reach ethernet product from Cisco at each end. I'm sure there are competitors. Thanks, -- Dain Deutschman ccnp, css-1, cnss infosec, mcp, cna Data Communications Manager New Star Sales and Service, Inc. **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=74724t=74117 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117]
Here is an interesting link about dry copper... http://www.panix.com/~oppedahl/lads/ Dain Deutschman wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, Does anyone know if Cisco makes a product similar to the Pairgain Campus HRS or Celsian G250 LAN Extenders? I want to create a dsl connection over dry copper between two sites. Cisco reseller helpline was mildly helpfull. What are some of you using for this type of situation? Thanks, -- Dain Deutschman ccnp, css-1, cnss infosec, mcp, cna Data Communications Manager New Star Sales and Service, Inc. **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=74177t=74117 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117]
I used a couple of Pairgain Campus HRS devices to do this a couple of years ago. We had an occasional disruption of service...but overall it worked very well. To order dry copper you just call your phone company and ask the about it. A couple of years ago it was appr. $70 p/m from qwest at each location. It was an HDSL signal that ran at roughly 2Mbps over about 1 mile. We ran it in ethernet bridge mode...but you can also configure them to do routing, nat, etc. I was hoping someone would know of a less expensive solution than Pairgain. I did find a product from Black Box that is about $700 per unit. Do the Cisco LRE run over POTS? If so...how does this work and what kind of bandwidth can you get? Thanks, Dain http://www.panix.com/~oppedahl/lads/ Dain Deutschman wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, Does anyone know if Cisco makes a product similar to the Pairgain Campus HRS or Celsian G250 LAN Extenders? I want to create a dsl connection over dry copper between two sites. Cisco reseller helpline was mildly helpfull. What are some of you using for this type of situation? Thanks, -- Dain Deutschman ccnp, css-1, cnss infosec, mcp, cna Data Communications Manager New Star Sales and Service, Inc. **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=74176t=74117 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117]
You first need to find out if your local teleco even sells it. I don't think it is a business most providers are interested in. Dave Ryan Finnesey wrote: How do you order dry copper? Ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117] Dain Deutschman wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, Does anyone know if Cisco makes a product similar to the Pairgain Campus HRS or Celsian G250 LAN Extenders? I want to create a dsl connection over dry copper between two sites. Cisco reseller helpline was mildly helpfull. What are some of you using for this type of situation? I have heard it said that all you need to do is connect a couple of 827's and you are done. I don't know the specifics.. :- http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010823.html http://www.isp-planet.com/technology/homebrew_dsl.html one place I saw said to check out what alarm companies order - they use dry copper. or you can use the Long Reach ethernet product from Cisco at each end. I'm sure there are competitors. Thanks, -- Dain Deutschman ccnp, css-1, cnss infosec, mcp, cna Data Communications Manager New Star Sales and Service, Inc. **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html -- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Sr. Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367 Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it can do something to the people. -- Thomas Jefferson Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=74178t=74117 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117]
Ryan Finnesey wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] How do you order dry copper? call your local burglar alarm company first. ask exactly what they order from your telco. then call the telco and order that. since this is dry pair, it does you no good unless you have another side, meaning you have to order two - one for each side of the connection. you may want to do a bit of research. what little I did last night turned up potential issues with signal bleeding onto other cable pair, interfering with voice calls, meaning trouble for you and others. go a google search on and dry pair dsl and start your research. Ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117] Dain Deutschman wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, Does anyone know if Cisco makes a product similar to the Pairgain Campus HRS or Celsian G250 LAN Extenders? I want to create a dsl connection over dry copper between two sites. Cisco reseller helpline was mildly helpfull. What are some of you using for this type of situation? I have heard it said that all you need to do is connect a couple of 827's and you are done. I don't know the specifics.. :- http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010823.html http://www.isp-planet.com/technology/homebrew_dsl.html one place I saw said to check out what alarm companies order - they use dry copper. or you can use the Long Reach ethernet product from Cisco at each end. I'm sure there are competitors. Thanks, -- Dain Deutschman ccnp, css-1, cnss infosec, mcp, cna Data Communications Manager New Star Sales and Service, Inc. **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=74181t=74117 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117]
What about the 2950 series LRE ? Long reach ethernet? Tell us about the specs, you have them. Cisco Long Range Ethernet (LRE) solution leverages Very High Data Rate Digital Subscriber Line (VDSL) technology to dramatically extend Ethernet services over existing Category 1/2/3 twisted pair wiring at speeds from 5 to 15 Mbps (full duplex) and distances up to 5,000 feet. The Cisco LRE technology delivers broadband service on the same lines as Plain Old Telephone Service (POTS), digital telephone, and ISDN traffic. In addition, Cisco LRE supports modes compatible with Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line (ADSL) technologies, allowing service providers to provision LRE to buildings where broadband services already exist. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps605/products_white_paper09 186a0080088896.shtml http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps293/products_data_sheet091 86a0080088894.html http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps605/products_data_sheet091 86a0080088894.html Martijn -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Dain Deutschman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: maandag 18 augustus 2003 21:05 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117] Hi All, Does anyone know if Cisco makes a product similar to the Pairgain Campus HRS or Celsian G250 LAN Extenders? I want to create a dsl connection over dry copper between two sites. Cisco reseller helpline was mildly helpfull. What are some of you using for this type of situation? Thanks, -- Dain Deutschman ccnp, css-1, cnss infosec, mcp, cna Data Communications Manager New Star Sales and Service, Inc. **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=74151t=74117 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117]
We did it several years ago using some 3Com gear (still have it boxed up somewhere). We had an office site two blocks from the CO. Loop length wasn't an issue. We gave them lots of business so they gave us dry pair at a nominal cost (IIRC less than $5 per month per line). The problem is when a circuit stops working - the only guarantee is continuity - not like a conditioned line. After one lightning storm we never got one site back - and the problem was in the telco plant. After a CLEC started selling DSL it was impossible to get dry pair. I would expect that to be the norm today. -Original Message- From: Chuck Whose Road is Ever Shorter I have heard tell of folks using dry pair to create private point to point DSL. I don't personally know anyone who has done so. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=74189t=74117 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117]
Hi All, Does anyone know if Cisco makes a product similar to the Pairgain Campus HRS or Celsian G250 LAN Extenders? I want to create a dsl connection over dry copper between two sites. Cisco reseller helpline was mildly helpfull. What are some of you using for this type of situation? Thanks, -- Dain Deutschman ccnp, css-1, cnss infosec, mcp, cna Data Communications Manager New Star Sales and Service, Inc. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=74117t=74117 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117]
Dain Deutschman wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, Does anyone know if Cisco makes a product similar to the Pairgain Campus HRS or Celsian G250 LAN Extenders? I want to create a dsl connection over dry copper between two sites. Cisco reseller helpline was mildly helpfull. What are some of you using for this type of situation? I have heard it said that all you need to do is connect a couple of 827's and you are done. I don't know the specifics.. :- http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010823.html http://www.isp-planet.com/technology/homebrew_dsl.html one place I saw said to check out what alarm companies order - they use dry copper. or you can use the Long Reach ethernet product from Cisco at each end. I'm sure there are competitors. Thanks, -- Dain Deutschman ccnp, css-1, cnss infosec, mcp, cna Data Communications Manager New Star Sales and Service, Inc. **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=74135t=74117 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117]
What is dry copper? Dry copper refers to twisted pairs that are not connected to a telephone switch, battery or anything else between customer locations. They are merely cross-connected in between. The term dry actually originated over 100 years ago, when batteries were first used to power telephones. A dry pair had no power applied to it from the CO and a wet one did. Some folks have been able to implement xDSL via dry copper connection between two sites. By simply placing xDSL modems at each end of the dry copper connection, a xDSL may be possible with little intervention from the perspective of the CO. However, this is a risky method of deploying xDSL, especially asymmetrical versions. The problems occur when there is interference between the dry copper xDSL lines and other lines nearby, such as T1 and POTS. Typically dry copper has been used for low speed alarm circuits. By implementing xDSL service over dry copper, you run the risk of future problems. You may disrupt service at the CO and hence, the CO's customers. Unless you have specifically contracted for this method of xDSL service in advance, beware -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117] Uh, what is dry copper? Is it analogous to dark fiber? Thanks Priscilla Chuck Whose Road is Ever Shorte wrote: Dain Deutschman wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, Does anyone know if Cisco makes a product similar to the Pairgain Campus HRS or Celsian G250 LAN Extenders? I want to create a dsl connection over dry copper between two sites. Cisco reseller helpline was mildly helpfull. What are some of you using for this type of situation? I have heard it said that all you need to do is connect a couple of 827's and you are done. I don't know the specifics.. :- http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010823.html http://www.isp-planet.com/technology/homebrew_dsl.html one place I saw said to check out what alarm companies order - they use dry copper. or you can use the Long Reach ethernet product from Cisco at each end. I'm sure there are competitors. Thanks, -- Dain Deutschman ccnp, css-1, cnss infosec, mcp, cna Data Communications Manager New Star Sales and Service, Inc. **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html ** This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you receive it in error: (i) you must not use, disclose, copy or retain it; (ii) please contact the sender immediately by reply email and then delete the emails. Views expressed in this email may not be those of the Airways Corporation of New Zealand Limited ** Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=74144t=74117 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117]
Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Uh, what is dry copper? Is it analogous to dark fiber? as a matter of fact, yes. copper from your friendly telco with no dial tone. a local loop with no signaling equipoment attached. alarm companies use it extensively, place their own signal on it, and thwart the burglars I have heard tell of folks using dry pair to create private point to point DSL. I don't personally know anyone who has done so. HTH Thanks Priscilla Chuck Whose Road is Ever Shorte wrote: Dain Deutschman wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, Does anyone know if Cisco makes a product similar to the Pairgain Campus HRS or Celsian G250 LAN Extenders? I want to create a dsl connection over dry copper between two sites. Cisco reseller helpline was mildly helpfull. What are some of you using for this type of situation? I have heard it said that all you need to do is connect a couple of 827's and you are done. I don't know the specifics.. :- http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010823.html http://www.isp-planet.com/technology/homebrew_dsl.html one place I saw said to check out what alarm companies order - they use dry copper. or you can use the Long Reach ethernet product from Cisco at each end. I'm sure there are competitors. Thanks, -- Dain Deutschman ccnp, css-1, cnss infosec, mcp, cna Data Communications Manager New Star Sales and Service, Inc. **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=74143t=74117 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117]
Uh, what is dry copper? Is it analogous to dark fiber? Thanks Priscilla Chuck Whose Road is Ever Shorte wrote: Dain Deutschman wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, Does anyone know if Cisco makes a product similar to the Pairgain Campus HRS or Celsian G250 LAN Extenders? I want to create a dsl connection over dry copper between two sites. Cisco reseller helpline was mildly helpfull. What are some of you using for this type of situation? I have heard it said that all you need to do is connect a couple of 827's and you are done. I don't know the specifics.. :- http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010823.html http://www.isp-planet.com/technology/homebrew_dsl.html one place I saw said to check out what alarm companies order - they use dry copper. or you can use the Long Reach ethernet product from Cisco at each end. I'm sure there are competitors. Thanks, -- Dain Deutschman ccnp, css-1, cnss infosec, mcp, cna Data Communications Manager New Star Sales and Service, Inc. **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=74139t=74117 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117]
How do you order dry copper? Ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DSL over Dry Copper [7:74117] Dain Deutschman wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, Does anyone know if Cisco makes a product similar to the Pairgain Campus HRS or Celsian G250 LAN Extenders? I want to create a dsl connection over dry copper between two sites. Cisco reseller helpline was mildly helpfull. What are some of you using for this type of situation? I have heard it said that all you need to do is connect a couple of 827's and you are done. I don't know the specifics.. :- http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010823.html http://www.isp-planet.com/technology/homebrew_dsl.html one place I saw said to check out what alarm companies order - they use dry copper. or you can use the Long Reach ethernet product from Cisco at each end. I'm sure there are competitors. Thanks, -- Dain Deutschman ccnp, css-1, cnss infosec, mcp, cna Data Communications Manager New Star Sales and Service, Inc. **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=74146t=74117 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
