RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
Hi all One of the questions in the survey is who do you work for. Bearing in mind that Cisco employees have a different pass-mark, need I say any more? BTW passed my CCIE design written today :) Now only if I didn't have to wait so long to retake my r/s lab Andy Lennon CCNP/DP MCSE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: 31 August 2000 19:16 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kevin Wigle Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! I never asked Cisco about the survey. I asked whether the tests were adaptive, (i.e. would change based on answers you give to the technical questions early on in the test.) The answer was no. I'm sure that the survey does not affect the questions you get either. Cisco did say that some questions are weighted more than others. But that's not the same as adaptive and is not relevant to the survey. Assuming that Cisco's training department adds any complex test processing features, when they can barely ship a valid test with logical questions and objectives not written by lucky monkeys, is just falling for FUD. (fear, uncertainty and doubt ;-) Priscilla At 10:03 PM 8/30/00, you wrote: Well, I've been up on the archives just now and searched on "oppenheimer;survey" as well as many other combos - no luck. Can you shed more light? Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 30 August, 2000 12:19 Subject: RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! Look in the archives. Princilla Oppenheimer asked cisco about whether the surwey affects the score and posted the answer to this list a few months ago. I can not explain it better than cisco did. regards Jon Eggert Gudmundsson MCSE,CCNA,CCDA Network Administrator Icelandic Banks Data Center -Original Message- From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27. ágúst 2000 23:15 To: Brian; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Nigel Taylor; Chuck Larrieu Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! Although the idea that the survey affects the score is interesting, I too cannot fathom how the survey matters. You can answer the survey different for every exam. Where is the continuity there? And explain to me the difference between a "beginning" CCIE Candidate and a "seasoned" CCIE Candidate. Changing your answers to the survey seems like an easy way to improve your odds. How would Cisco know that your survey answers are correct? In truth, I don't think I have answered all the surveys the same as I have grown from the first Cisco exam over 2 years ago to completing CCDP/CCDP just last month. Nah, I don't think the survey means anything to us. I do think that Cisco wants to know the demographics of who is taking what exams. Unfortunately this would mean that Cisco is adding a little scare tactic to get you to answer their survey but perhaps adding a little more anxiety when you need it least. my .02 cents Kevin Wigle CCDP/CCNP... - Original Message - From: "Brian" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Nigel Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Chuck Larrieu" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 27 August, 2000 17:24 Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to agree with Chuck on this matter. The survey IS NOT / CAN'T BE an influence on your score. The cisco exams are not even "adaptive" like the Novell exams. The questions are pulled from a pool established by evaluating the beta exam results and a certain number of questions are pulled for each subsection of the exam. There really would be no point to making the exam difficulty relative to survey responses. If Cisco did that, the exams would be WORTHLESS, allowing you to sandbag them by answering that you are a complete novice. What is the CCIE written supposed to do ? Fill out the survey that you have 2 weeks experience and it'll give you CCNA-level questions instead of asking about obscure details of token ring? The difficulty level of the exam is a constant, not a variable. Read the disclaimer next time you test. It clearly states that how you answer the questionairre will influence your score. Cisco tests are not adaptive, but they are weighted. If you are a beginner, you would be expected not to miss questions on fundementals..perhaps those are weighted more, vs. questions that are more advanced which it may weigh less for a beginner. If you claim you are the God of networking, you would probably get more weight to more advanced questions, and penalized less for missing beginner questions that might
Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
I never asked Cisco about the survey. I asked whether the tests were adaptive, (i.e. would change based on answers you give to the technical questions early on in the test.) The answer was no. I'm sure that the survey does not affect the questions you get either. Cisco did say that some questions are weighted more than others. But that's not the same as adaptive and is not relevant to the survey. Assuming that Cisco's training department adds any complex test processing features, when they can barely ship a valid test with logical questions and objectives not written by lucky monkeys, is just falling for FUD. (fear, uncertainty and doubt ;-) Priscilla Priscilla, Priscilla. You so underestimate some of the skills they demonstrate. Generalization of the connectionless model to everything. OSI as a theology. Chaos theory. It's not everyone who can encrypt plain language and still have it ostensibly readable. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
From the archives: a.. Subject: Re: CCIE Writen Failed again b.. From: Krazikat krazikat@xx c.. Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:48:12 -0400 d.. Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco e.. Organization: Arteck f.. References: 8iob5a$ik6$[EMAIL PROTECTED] From Cisco: Dear Sir: The survey does not affect your Exam score whatsoever. If you have further concerns, please contact us directly at 1.800.829.6387, option 2,1. Best Regards. Rich Russell wrote: OK, this is the 2nd time that I've flunked this test. The thing that really gets me is that I actually checked my answers 3 times and felt highly confident about it. 1st question What does that survey at the beginning have to do with determining your score? I mean if you answer low or something does that help you? 2nd Question Who else hates the ** test? Thanks for your input. -- Rich Russell www.thetestpage.net Free study tests ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
I never asked Cisco about the survey. I asked whether the tests were adaptive, (i.e. would change based on answers you give to the technical questions early on in the test.) The answer was no. I'm sure that the survey does not affect the questions you get either. Cisco did say that some questions are weighted more than others. But that's not the same as adaptive and is not relevant to the survey. Assuming that Cisco's training department adds any complex test processing features, when they can barely ship a valid test with logical questions and objectives not written by lucky monkeys, is just falling for FUD. (fear, uncertainty and doubt ;-) Priscilla At 10:03 PM 8/30/00, you wrote: Well, I've been up on the archives just now and searched on "oppenheimer;survey" as well as many other combos - no luck. Can you shed more light? Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 30 August, 2000 12:19 Subject: RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! Look in the archives. Princilla Oppenheimer asked cisco about whether the surwey affects the score and posted the answer to this list a few months ago. I can not explain it better than cisco did. regards Jon Eggert Gudmundsson MCSE,CCNA,CCDA Network Administrator Icelandic Banks Data Center -Original Message- From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27. ágúst 2000 23:15 To: Brian; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Nigel Taylor; Chuck Larrieu Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! Although the idea that the survey affects the score is interesting, I too cannot fathom how the survey matters. You can answer the survey different for every exam. Where is the continuity there? And explain to me the difference between a "beginning" CCIE Candidate and a "seasoned" CCIE Candidate. Changing your answers to the survey seems like an easy way to improve your odds. How would Cisco know that your survey answers are correct? In truth, I don't think I have answered all the surveys the same as I have grown from the first Cisco exam over 2 years ago to completing CCDP/CCDP just last month. Nah, I don't think the survey means anything to us. I do think that Cisco wants to know the demographics of who is taking what exams. Unfortunately this would mean that Cisco is adding a little scare tactic to get you to answer their survey but perhaps adding a little more anxiety when you need it least. my .02 cents Kevin Wigle CCDP/CCNP... - Original Message - From: "Brian" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Nigel Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Chuck Larrieu" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 27 August, 2000 17:24 Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to agree with Chuck on this matter. The survey IS NOT / CAN'T BE an influence on your score. The cisco exams are not even "adaptive" like the Novell exams. The questions are pulled from a pool established by evaluating the beta exam results and a certain number of questions are pulled for each subsection of the exam. There really would be no point to making the exam difficulty relative to survey responses. If Cisco did that, the exams would be WORTHLESS, allowing you to sandbag them by answering that you are a complete novice. What is the CCIE written supposed to do ? Fill out the survey that you have 2 weeks experience and it'll give you CCNA-level questions instead of asking about obscure details of token ring? The difficulty level of the exam is a constant, not a variable. Read the disclaimer next time you test. It clearly states that how you answer the questionairre will influence your score. Cisco tests are not adaptive, but they are weighted. If you are a beginner, you would be expected not to miss questions on fundementals..perhaps those are weighted more, vs. questions that are more advanced which it may weigh less for a beginner. If you claim you are the God of networking, you would probably get more weight to more advanced questions, and penalized less for missing beginner questions that might be say something someone more advanced may have forgotten. I do not know "how" they do itI am just going by what they tell you when you test, and this is for the professional tests not just the CCIE teststhey clearly state that "how you answer this questionairre will influence how your test is scored"doesn't seem to vaugue to me... Brian ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: h
RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
Look in the archives. Princilla Oppenheimer asked cisco about whether the surwey affects the score and posted the answer to this list a few months ago. I can not explain it better than cisco did. regards Jon Eggert Gudmundsson MCSE,CCNA,CCDA Network Administrator Icelandic Banks Data Center -Original Message- From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27. ágúst 2000 23:15 To: Brian; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Nigel Taylor; Chuck Larrieu Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! Although the idea that the survey affects the score is interesting, I too cannot fathom how the survey matters. You can answer the survey different for every exam. Where is the continuity there? And explain to me the difference between a "beginning" CCIE Candidate and a "seasoned" CCIE Candidate. Changing your answers to the survey seems like an easy way to improve your odds. How would Cisco know that your survey answers are correct? In truth, I don't think I have answered all the surveys the same as I have grown from the first Cisco exam over 2 years ago to completing CCDP/CCDP just last month. Nah, I don't think the survey means anything to us. I do think that Cisco wants to know the demographics of who is taking what exams. Unfortunately this would mean that Cisco is adding a little scare tactic to get you to answer their survey but perhaps adding a little more anxiety when you need it least. my .02 cents Kevin Wigle CCDP/CCNP... - Original Message - From: "Brian" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Nigel Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Chuck Larrieu" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 27 August, 2000 17:24 Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to agree with Chuck on this matter. The survey IS NOT / CAN'T BE an influence on your score. The cisco exams are not even "adaptive" like the Novell exams. The questions are pulled from a pool established by evaluating the beta exam results and a certain number of questions are pulled for each subsection of the exam. There really would be no point to making the exam difficulty relative to survey responses. If Cisco did that, the exams would be WORTHLESS, allowing you to sandbag them by answering that you are a complete novice. What is the CCIE written supposed to do ? Fill out the survey that you have 2 weeks experience and it'll give you CCNA-level questions instead of asking about obscure details of token ring? The difficulty level of the exam is a constant, not a variable. Read the disclaimer next time you test. It clearly states that how you answer the questionairre will influence your score. Cisco tests are not adaptive, but they are weighted. If you are a beginner, you would be expected not to miss questions on fundementals..perhaps those are weighted more, vs. questions that are more advanced which it may weigh less for a beginner. If you claim you are the God of networking, you would probably get more weight to more advanced questions, and penalized less for missing beginner questions that might be say something someone more advanced may have forgotten. I do not know "how" they do itI am just going by what they tell you when you test, and this is for the professional tests not just the CCIE teststhey clearly state that "how you answer this questionairre will influence how your test is scored"doesn't seem to vaugue to me... Brian ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
Mayby this is where the famous and mysterious missing 300 points come from (past discussions about how tests are scored)... ;-) - Dennis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 7:44 AM To: Brian; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Nigel Taylor; Chuck Larrieu Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! I have to agree with Chuck on this matter. The survey IS NOT / CAN'T BE an influence on your score. The cisco exams are not even "adaptive" like the Novell exams. The questions are pulled from a pool established by evaluating the beta exam results and a certain number of questions are pulled for each subsection of the exam. There really would be no point to making the exam difficulty relative to survey responses. If Cisco did that, the exams would be WORTHLESS, allowing you to sandbag them by answering that you are a complete novice. What is the CCIE written supposed to do ? Fill out the survey that you have 2 weeks experience and it'll give you CCNA-level questions instead of asking about obscure details of token ring? The difficulty level of the exam is a constant, not a variable. Niall Brian wrote: I agree that hard work and studying is the only way to truley accomplish certification and be worth your weight. I do want to re-iterate though that the questionairre does in fact play a part in scoring your test, and if nothing else, you should answer it honestly (in other words, don't get saying you have advanced experience in every single subject, and are a jedi knight of the internet then expect an easy scoring). some people may not pay attention to the questionairre and pencil wip it, which may prove to be a bad idea. I feel "exam crams" should only be used for those who already have a solid foundation of the subject at hand, and just need to be refreshed as to what topics and key items may be on the test. Personally i think ciscopress books are among the best for any of these tests, but they are avoided often because they go very much in depth and can be quite long (usually 600-800 pages). People get turned off, and they go an easier route. Don't get me wrong, alot of other companies make great booksall I am saying is reading a "routing exam cram" that is 150-200 pages, vs. Routing TCP/IP which is 800 pages..something gets lost there, and it may prove to be essential information down the road. Brian On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Nigel Taylor wrote: Hey, I don't suppose anyone is planning on going to take the lab anticipating that they become a *CCIE* by merely how well they complete the survey... OOPS..!! No, survey.. When taking the lab.. Does any of our resident(studygroup) CCIE's care to comment. Enough already.. Nigel - Original Message - From: Chuck Larrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED]; shanseverijn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 6:40 AM Subject: RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! Let's see I answered the quiz at the beginning of the CID exam, and failed. I went home, studied those parts where my scores were very low, came back a week later, answered the survey the same way, and passed with miles to spare. Yeah, I guess Cisco was gunning for me the first time, and somehow they failed to notice second time. Hey gang, it ain't the survey. Chuck Snapping my fingers to keep the elephants away. It must work because there aren't any elephant around these parts. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 8:43 PM To: shanseverijn Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! shannon, you bring up a good point. All the cisco tests make you take the questionairre in the beginning (as you of course know), and a disclaimer says that your final score will depend on how you answer that questionaire. I am curious to as to what effect the questionaire has on the actual score and how it is calculated. On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, shanseverijn wrote: I just want to say for the record that this exam is a bunch of B.S. All you tell you why. I took this test like a cuople weeks after I finished my CCNP/CCDP just to see where I stand and what I need to hit for this thing. Let me say that the CCIE exam 350-001 is highly overraded. So I scored a modest 60% the first time. Not bad for not really studying and just going off of experience and Theory. The problem I have is after studying for what I needed and knowing that I was going to tear this test a new A-hole I went in took the test and did everything the same except in the questionaire that I filled out I marked that I was proficient in alot more ar
Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
Well, I've been up on the archives just now and searched on "oppenheimer;survey" as well as many other combos - no luck. Can you shed more light? Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 30 August, 2000 12:19 Subject: RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! Look in the archives. Princilla Oppenheimer asked cisco about whether the surwey affects the score and posted the answer to this list a few months ago. I can not explain it better than cisco did. regards Jon Eggert Gudmundsson MCSE,CCNA,CCDA Network Administrator Icelandic Banks Data Center -Original Message- From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27. ágúst 2000 23:15 To: Brian; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Nigel Taylor; Chuck Larrieu Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! Although the idea that the survey affects the score is interesting, I too cannot fathom how the survey matters. You can answer the survey different for every exam. Where is the continuity there? And explain to me the difference between a "beginning" CCIE Candidate and a "seasoned" CCIE Candidate. Changing your answers to the survey seems like an easy way to improve your odds. How would Cisco know that your survey answers are correct? In truth, I don't think I have answered all the surveys the same as I have grown from the first Cisco exam over 2 years ago to completing CCDP/CCDP just last month. Nah, I don't think the survey means anything to us. I do think that Cisco wants to know the demographics of who is taking what exams. Unfortunately this would mean that Cisco is adding a little scare tactic to get you to answer their survey but perhaps adding a little more anxiety when you need it least. my .02 cents Kevin Wigle CCDP/CCNP... - Original Message - From: "Brian" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Nigel Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Chuck Larrieu" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 27 August, 2000 17:24 Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to agree with Chuck on this matter. The survey IS NOT / CAN'T BE an influence on your score. The cisco exams are not even "adaptive" like the Novell exams. The questions are pulled from a pool established by evaluating the beta exam results and a certain number of questions are pulled for each subsection of the exam. There really would be no point to making the exam difficulty relative to survey responses. If Cisco did that, the exams would be WORTHLESS, allowing you to sandbag them by answering that you are a complete novice. What is the CCIE written supposed to do ? Fill out the survey that you have 2 weeks experience and it'll give you CCNA-level questions instead of asking about obscure details of token ring? The difficulty level of the exam is a constant, not a variable. Read the disclaimer next time you test. It clearly states that how you answer the questionairre will influence your score. Cisco tests are not adaptive, but they are weighted. If you are a beginner, you would be expected not to miss questions on fundementals..perhaps those are weighted more, vs. questions that are more advanced which it may weigh less for a beginner. If you claim you are the God of networking, you would probably get more weight to more advanced questions, and penalized less for missing beginner questions that might be say something someone more advanced may have forgotten. I do not know "how" they do itI am just going by what they tell you when you test, and this is for the professional tests not just the CCIE teststhey clearly state that "how you answer this questionairre will influence how your test is scored"doesn't seem to vaugue to me... Brian ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
I have to agree with Chuck on this matter. The survey IS NOT / CAN'T BE an influence on your score. The cisco exams are not even "adaptive" like the Novell exams. The questions are pulled from a pool established by evaluating the beta exam results and a certain number of questions are pulled for each subsection of the exam. There really would be no point to making the exam difficulty relative to survey responses. If Cisco did that, the exams would be WORTHLESS, allowing you to sandbag them by answering that you are a complete novice. What is the CCIE written supposed to do ? Fill out the survey that you have 2 weeks experience and it'll give you CCNA-level questions instead of asking about obscure details of token ring? The difficulty level of the exam is a constant, not a variable. Niall Brian wrote: I agree that hard work and studying is the only way to truley accomplish certification and be worth your weight. I do want to re-iterate though that the questionairre does in fact play a part in scoring your test, and if nothing else, you should answer it honestly (in other words, don't get saying you have advanced experience in every single subject, and are a jedi knight of the internet then expect an easy scoring). some people may not pay attention to the questionairre and pencil wip it, which may prove to be a bad idea. I feel "exam crams" should only be used for those who already have a solid foundation of the subject at hand, and just need to be refreshed as to what topics and key items may be on the test. Personally i think ciscopress books are among the best for any of these tests, but they are avoided often because they go very much in depth and can be quite long (usually 600-800 pages). People get turned off, and they go an easier route. Don't get me wrong, alot of other companies make great booksall I am saying is reading a "routing exam cram" that is 150-200 pages, vs. Routing TCP/IP which is 800 pages..something gets lost there, and it may prove to be essential information down the road. Brian On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Nigel Taylor wrote: Hey, I don't suppose anyone is planning on going to take the lab anticipating that they become a *CCIE* by merely how well they complete the survey... OOPS..!! No, survey.. When taking the lab.. Does any of our resident(studygroup) CCIE's care to comment. Enough already.. Nigel - Original Message - From: Chuck Larrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED]; shanseverijn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 6:40 AM Subject: RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! Let's see I answered the quiz at the beginning of the CID exam, and failed. I went home, studied those parts where my scores were very low, came back a week later, answered the survey the same way, and passed with miles to spare. Yeah, I guess Cisco was gunning for me the first time, and somehow they failed to notice second time. Hey gang, it ain't the survey. Chuck Snapping my fingers to keep the elephants away. It must work because there aren't any elephant around these parts. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 8:43 PM To: shanseverijn Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! shannon, you bring up a good point. All the cisco tests make you take the questionairre in the beginning (as you of course know), and a disclaimer says that your final score will depend on how you answer that questionaire. I am curious to as to what effect the questionaire has on the actual score and how it is calculated. On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, shanseverijn wrote: I just want to say for the record that this exam is a bunch of B.S. All you tell you why. I took this test like a cuople weeks after I finished my CCNP/CCDP just to see where I stand and what I need to hit for this thing. Let me say that the CCIE exam 350-001 is highly overraded. So I scored a modest 60% the first time. Not bad for not really studying and just going off of experience and Theory. The problem I have is after studying for what I needed and knowing that I was going to tear this test a new A-hole I went in took the test and did everything the same except in the questionaire that I filled out I marked that I was proficient in alot more areas than I did the first time. The result well after blazing through the test in an hour and feeling DAMN confident that I got at least a 90% on the sucker I ended up getting a 58%. I WAS LIVID I was like what the hell??? I got ROBBED!!! I only missed honestly like 5 questions. I can recite the whole damn test in my sle
Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
Hello Groups, Actually, from what I know, there are only two possibilities on how CCIE test are distinguish on scoring. A cisco employee category which needs you 5% higher passing score and the non-employee. I am unaware, if any, such weighting methods other than above. Regards, Leonard Ong, ST, CCNP RS Voice, CCDP RS, CSE, SAIRGNU LCP, MCP Win2K (Íõ¶°ºÀ) | [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Share Knowledge together! | ICQ : 1041402 == http://www.poboxes.com/Leonard_Ong ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Kevin Wigle wrote: Although the idea that the survey affects the score is interesting, I too cannot fathom how the survey matters. You can answer the survey different for every exam. Where is the continuity there? And explain to me the difference between a "beginning" CCIE Candidate and a "seasoned" CCIE Candidate. Changing your answers to the survey seems like an easy way to improve your odds. How would Cisco know that your survey answers are correct? well, the survey if I understand correctly doesn't necessarily make the test easier or harder, you would get the same questions regardless. It just shifts the weighting, so that some questions are weighed more than others..I don't claim to know how they accomplish any of this, I can only speculate. In truth, I don't think I have answered all the surveys the same as I have grown from the first Cisco exam over 2 years ago to completing CCDP/CCDP just last month. Nah, I don't think the survey means anything to us. I do think that Cisco wants to know the demographics of who is taking what exams. Unfortunately this would mean that Cisco is adding a little scare tactic to get you to answer their survey but perhaps adding a little more anxiety when you need it least. The survey is not optional. You *have* to take it. So its not like they are trying to influence you to take it or not, you don't have a choice. I don't believe that Cisco would lie about the way you answer the survey effecting the way it is scored. If they say it effects the score, then you should assume it does..granted we don't know in what way. People have said in the past that answering it various ways has effected the results, I don't think anyone has pinpointed in what way. The only way I could fathom is in weighting...and make no mistake about it, the questions on Cisco tests *are* weighted. Brian my .02 cents Kevin Wigle CCDP/CCNP... - Original Message - From: "Brian" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Nigel Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Chuck Larrieu" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 27 August, 2000 17:24 Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to agree with Chuck on this matter. The survey IS NOT / CAN'T BE an influence on your score. The cisco exams are not even "adaptive" like the Novell exams. The questions are pulled from a pool established by evaluating the beta exam results and a certain number of questions are pulled for each subsection of the exam. There really would be no point to making the exam difficulty relative to survey responses. If Cisco did that, the exams would be WORTHLESS, allowing you to sandbag them by answering that you are a complete novice. What is the CCIE written supposed to do ? Fill out the survey that you have 2 weeks experience and it'll give you CCNA-level questions instead of asking about obscure details of token ring? The difficulty level of the exam is a constant, not a variable. Read the disclaimer next time you test. It clearly states that how you answer the questionairre will influence your score. Cisco tests are not adaptive, but they are weighted. If you are a beginner, you would be expected not to miss questions on fundementals..perhaps those are weighted more, vs. questions that are more advanced which it may weigh less for a beginner. If you claim you are the God of networking, you would probably get more weight to more advanced questions, and penalized less for missing beginner questions that might be say something someone more advanced may have forgotten. I do not know "how" they do itI am just going by what they tell you when you test, and this is for the professional tests not just the CCIE teststhey clearly state that "how you answer this questionairre will influence how your test is scored"doesn't seem to vaugue to me... Brian --- Brian Feeny, CCNA, CCDA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
Although the idea that the survey affects the score is interesting, I too cannot fathom how the survey matters. You can answer the survey different for every exam. Where is the continuity there? And explain to me the difference between a "beginning" CCIE Candidate and a "seasoned" CCIE Candidate. Changing your answers to the survey seems like an easy way to improve your odds. How would Cisco know that your survey answers are correct? In truth, I don't think I have answered all the surveys the same as I have grown from the first Cisco exam over 2 years ago to completing CCDP/CCDP just last month. Nah, I don't think the survey means anything to us. I do think that Cisco wants to know the demographics of who is taking what exams. Unfortunately this would mean that Cisco is adding a little scare tactic to get you to answer their survey but perhaps adding a little more anxiety when you need it least. my .02 cents Kevin Wigle CCDP/CCNP... - Original Message - From: "Brian" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Nigel Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Chuck Larrieu" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 27 August, 2000 17:24 Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to agree with Chuck on this matter. The survey IS NOT / CAN'T BE an influence on your score. The cisco exams are not even "adaptive" like the Novell exams. The questions are pulled from a pool established by evaluating the beta exam results and a certain number of questions are pulled for each subsection of the exam. There really would be no point to making the exam difficulty relative to survey responses. If Cisco did that, the exams would be WORTHLESS, allowing you to sandbag them by answering that you are a complete novice. What is the CCIE written supposed to do ? Fill out the survey that you have 2 weeks experience and it'll give you CCNA-level questions instead of asking about obscure details of token ring? The difficulty level of the exam is a constant, not a variable. Read the disclaimer next time you test. It clearly states that how you answer the questionairre will influence your score. Cisco tests are not adaptive, but they are weighted. If you are a beginner, you would be expected not to miss questions on fundementals..perhaps those are weighted more, vs. questions that are more advanced which it may weigh less for a beginner. If you claim you are the God of networking, you would probably get more weight to more advanced questions, and penalized less for missing beginner questions that might be say something someone more advanced may have forgotten. I do not know "how" they do itI am just going by what they tell you when you test, and this is for the professional tests not just the CCIE teststhey clearly state that "how you answer this questionairre will influence how your test is scored"doesn't seem to vaugue to me... Brian ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have to agree with Chuck on this matter. The survey IS NOT / CAN'T BE an
influence on your score. The cisco exams are not even "adaptive" like the Novell
exams. The questions are pulled from a pool established by evaluating the beta
exam results and a certain number of questions are pulled for each subsection of
the exam. There really would be no point to making the exam difficulty relative to
survey responses. If Cisco did that, the exams would be WORTHLESS, allowing you to
sandbag them by answering that you are a complete novice. What is the CCIE written
supposed to do ? Fill out the survey that you have 2 weeks experience and it'll
give you CCNA-level questions instead of asking about obscure details of token
ring? The difficulty level of the exam is a constant, not a variable.
Read the disclaimer next time you test. It clearly states that how you
answer the questionairre will influence your score. Cisco tests are not
adaptive, but they are weighted. If you are a beginner, you would be
expected not to miss questions on fundementals..perhaps those are
weighted more, vs. questions that are more advanced which it may weigh
less for a beginner. If you claim you are the God of networking, you
would probably get more weight to more advanced questions, and penalized
less for missing beginner questions that might be say something someone
more advanced may have forgotten.
I do not know "how" they do itI am just going by what they tell
you when you test, and this is for the professional tests not just the
CCIE teststhey clearly state that "how you answer this
questionairre will influence how your test is scored"doesn't
seem to vaugue to me...
Brian
Niall
Brian wrote:
I agree that hard work and studying is the only way to truley accomplish
certification and be worth your weight. I do want to re-iterate though
that the questionairre does in fact play a part in scoring your test, and
if nothing else, you should answer it honestly (in other words, don't get
saying you have advanced experience in every single subject, and are a
jedi knight of the internet then expect an easy scoring).
some people may not pay attention to the questionairre and pencil wip it,
which may prove to be a bad idea.
I feel "exam crams" should only be used for those who already have a solid
foundation of the subject at hand, and just need to be refreshed as to
what topics and key items may be on the test.
Personally i think ciscopress books are among the best for any of these
tests, but they are avoided often because they go very much in depth and
can be quite long (usually 600-800 pages). People get turned off, and
they go an easier route. Don't get me wrong, alot of other companies make
great booksall I am saying is reading a "routing exam
cram" that is 150-200 pages, vs. Routing TCP/IP which is 800
pages..something gets lost there, and it may prove to be
essential information down the road.
Brian
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Nigel Taylor wrote:
Hey,
I don't suppose anyone is planning on going to take the
lab anticipating that they
become a *CCIE* by merely how well they complete the survey...
OOPS..!! No, survey.. When taking the lab.. Does any of our
resident(studygroup) CCIE's
care to comment.
Enough already..
Nigel
- Original Message -
From: Chuck Larrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED]; shanseverijn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 6:40 AM
Subject: RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
Let's see I answered the quiz at the beginning of the CID exam, and
failed. I went home, studied those parts where my scores were very low,
came
back a week later, answered the survey the same way, and passed with miles
to spare. Yeah, I guess Cisco was gunning for me the first time, and
somehow
they failed to notice second time.
Hey gang, it ain't the survey.
Chuck
Snapping my fingers to keep the elephants away. It must work because there
aren't any elephant around these parts.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Brian
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 8:43 PM
To: shanseverijn
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
shannon,
you bring up a good point. All the cisco tests make you take the
questionairre in the beginning (as you of course know), and a disclaimer
says that your final score will depend on how you answer that
questionaire. I am curious to as to what effect the questionaire has on
the actual score and how it is calculated.
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, shanseverijn
Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
I just want to say for the record that this exam is a bunch of B.S. All you tell you why. I took this test like a cuople weeks after I finished my CCNP/CCDP just to see where I stand and what I need to hit for this thing. Let me say that the CCIE exam 350-001 is highly overraded. So I scored a modest 60% the first time. Not bad for not really studying and just going off of experience and Theory. The problem I have is after studying for what I needed and knowing that I was going to tear this test a new A-hole I went in took the test and did everything the same except in the questionaire that I filled out I marked that I was proficient in alot more areas than I did the first time. The result well after blazing through the test in an hour and feeling DAMN confident that I got at least a 90% on the sucker I ended up getting a 58%. I WAS LIVID I was like what the hell??? I got ROBBED!!! I only missed honestly like 5 questions. I can recite the whole damn test in my sleep! I don't understand! I am so dman fustrated I can't even see straight. Why am I writing this? Well I want to know do they gauge or do anything weird with what you mark for what are you are proficient in, in the questionnaire in the beginning of the test Like weighingthe questions differently the second time around or something weird like that... Somebody tell me PS. The Exam Cram for the exam is excellent as usual. -- Shannon Severijn CCNP, CCDP, MCSE Snot-Nosed Gen. X Punk Kid... (Cisco Mercenary) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
With all due respect, and while feeling your pain, may I suggest that you overestimated your own ability, underestimated the test, and it is more than likely you really were not prepared? Dumb luck says my 12 year old son can get a 25% on the test. We have had reports on this group of newly minted CCNA's with minimal experience getting 40-50%. Is it possible that you lack that little something, that whatever it is that separates a big leaguer from a triple A player? Is it possible that CCIE's really do know more than ordinary people? Even ordinary people with several years experience? Good luck to you on your next try. Hope you pass. Chuck (Taking my test in October, after some serious preparation) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of shanseverijn Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 5:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! I just want to say for the record that this exam is a bunch of B.S. All you tell you why. I took this test like a cuople weeks after I finished my CCNP/CCDP just to see where I stand and what I need to hit for this thing. Let me say that the CCIE exam 350-001 is highly overraded. So I scored a modest 60% the first time. Not bad for not really studying and just going off of experience and Theory. The problem I have is after studying for what I needed and knowing that I was going to tear this test a new A-hole I went in took the test and did everything the same except in the questionaire that I filled out I marked that I was proficient in alot more areas than I did the first time. The result well after blazing through the test in an hour and feeling DAMN confident that I got at least a 90% on the sucker I ended up getting a 58%. I WAS LIVID I was like what the hell??? I got ROBBED!!! I only missed honestly like 5 questions. I can recite the whole damn test in my sleep! I don't understand! I am so dman fustrated I can't even see straight. Why am I writing this? Well I want to know do they gauge or do anything weird with what you mark for what are you are proficient in, in the questionnaire in the beginning of the test Like weighingthe questions differently the second time around or something weird like that... Somebody tell me PS. The Exam Cram for the exam is excellent as usual. -- Shannon Severijn CCNP, CCDP, MCSE Snot-Nosed Gen. X Punk Kid... (Cisco Mercenary) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
well, im sorry you failed but... is it a bunch of bull cos u failed? ccnp/ccdp is very different as i am sure you now know why if it was so highly overrated then why did you fail? If you do pass, then all that has happened is that you are now eligible to request a lab exam, and if you got 60 here you are here to mars away from being ready If you thought you gto a 90 and got 30 odd less and you really thought that you should have got 90 then you need to wise up and be humble andy lennon ccnp/dp/msce -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of shanseverijn Sent: 27 August 2000 01:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! I just want to say for the record that this exam is a bunch of B.S. All you tell you why. I took this test like a cuople weeks after I finished my CCNP/CCDP just to see where I stand and what I need to hit for this thing. Let me say that the CCIE exam 350-001 is highly overraded. So I scored a modest 60% the first time. Not bad for not really studying and just going off of experience and Theory. The problem I have is after studying for what I needed and knowing that I was going to tear this test a new A-hole I went in took the test and did everything the same except in the questionaire that I filled out I marked that I was proficient in alot more areas than I did the first time. The result well after blazing through the test in an hour and feeling DAMN confident that I got at least a 90% on the sucker I ended up getting a 58%. I WAS LIVID I was like what the hell??? I got ROBBED!!! I only missed honestly like 5 questions. I can recite the whole damn test in my sleep! I don't understand! I am so dman fustrated I can't even see straight. Why am I writing this? Well I want to know do they gauge or do anything weird with what you mark for what are you are proficient in, in the questionnaire in the beginning of the test Like weighingthe questions differently the second time around or something weird like that... Somebody tell me PS. The Exam Cram for the exam is excellent as usual. -- Shannon Severijn CCNP, CCDP, MCSE Snot-Nosed Gen. X Punk Kid... (Cisco Mercenary) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
Sentiment echoed. Relax, and leave your ego at the door. Too often, the finger is pointed at someone else, but in reality, when looking in a mirror, the finger is pointing at you. Failure is so much a part of growing, getting better,...mastery. I will admit, every opportunity where I feel it is relevant, I am a grasshopper, and my goal is to take the pebble from Master's hand. When I finally do, there is no need for an ego, pride, or the need to prove myself to anyone on this list or any other peers I may have looked up to or admired. I will have the skills to climb the ladder in this field of EXPERTISE. "...to hell with what other people think, I'm ridin' my own broom!" L. M. Cynthia Bridgett, raised in SE DC and proud of it! CCNA, MCSE, CNE, CNA, MCP, A+ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chuck Larrieu Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 9:04 PM To: shanseverijn; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! With all due respect, and while feeling your pain, may I suggest that you overestimated your own ability, underestimated the test, and it is more than likely you really were not prepared? Dumb luck says my 12 year old son can get a 25% on the test. We have had reports on this group of newly minted CCNA's with minimal experience getting 40-50%. Is it possible that you lack that little something, that whatever it is that separates a big leaguer from a triple A player? Is it possible that CCIE's really do know more than ordinary people? Even ordinary people with several years experience? Good luck to you on your next try. Hope you pass. Chuck (Taking my test in October, after some serious preparation) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of shanseverijn Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 5:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! I just want to say for the record that this exam is a bunch of B.S. All you tell you why. I took this test like a cuople weeks after I finished my CCNP/CCDP just to see where I stand and what I need to hit for this thing. Let me say that the CCIE exam 350-001 is highly overraded. So I scored a modest 60% the first time. Not bad for not really studying and just going off of experience and Theory. The problem I have is after studying for what I needed and knowing that I was going to tear this test a new A-hole I went in took the test and did everything the same except in the questionaire that I filled out I marked that I was proficient in alot more areas than I did the first time. The result well after blazing through the test in an hour and feeling DAMN confident that I got at least a 90% on the sucker I ended up getting a 58%. I WAS LIVID I was like what the hell??? I got ROBBED!!! I only missed honestly like 5 questions. I can recite the whole damn test in my sleep! I don't understand! I am so dman fustrated I can't even see straight. Why am I writing this? Well I want to know do they gauge or do anything weird with what you mark for what are you are proficient in, in the questionnaire in the beginning of the test Like weighingthe questions differently the second time around or something weird like that... Somebody tell me PS. The Exam Cram for the exam is excellent as usual. -- Shannon Severijn CCNP, CCDP, MCSE Snot-Nosed Gen. X Punk Kid... (Cisco Mercenary) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! WHY!
"I just want to say for the record that this exam is a bunch of B.S. All you tell you why. I took this test like a cuople weeks after I finished my CCNP/CCDP just to see where I stand and what I need to hit for this thing. Let me say that the CCIE exam 350-001 is highly overraded. So I scored a modest 60% the first time. Not bad for not really studying and just going off of experience and Theory" A bunch of B.S. Did I get that right! - It would seem that your question was asked and answered... Couldn't have your cake and eat it too... huh! Apparently, some more study would be in order. Nigel. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
Many have said that CertificationZone's CCIE Prep exam is more difficult than the actual exam. Why don't you give CZ's exam a try, and see how you do? It'll give you a good perspective as to the fairness in weighting on Cisco's exam which will perhaps help you put things into perspective. If you do extremely well on CertificationZone's exam, then you've likely got reason to be miffed. If however you score poorly... then some sharpening of your skills is definitely required. The most valuable aspect of CertificationZone's exam however, is that it will likely point out some trouble spots and weak points in your skill set. It'll give you a nudge in the right direction, and will let you know exactly which areas you need to focus on for when you challenge the exam again. -- Leigh Anne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of shanseverijn Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! I just want to say for the record that this exam is a bunch of B.S. All you tell you why. I took this test like a cuople weeks after I finished my CCNP/CCDP just to see where I stand and what I need to hit for this thing. Let me say that the CCIE exam 350-001 is highly overraded. So I scored a modest 60% the first time. Not bad for not really studying and just going off of experience and Theory. The problem I have is after studying for what I needed and knowing that I was going to tear this test a new A-hole I went in took the test and did everything the same except in the questionaire that I filled out I marked that I was proficient in alot more areas than I did the first time. The result well after blazing through the test in an hour and feeling DAMN confident that I got at least a 90% on the sucker I ended up getting a 58%. I WAS LIVID I was like what the hell??? I got ROBBED!!! I only missed honestly like 5 questions. I can recite the whole damn test in my sleep! I don't understand! I am so dman fustrated I can't even see straight. Why am I writing this? Well I want to know do they gauge or do anything weird with what you mark for what are you are proficient in, in the questionnaire in the beginning of the test Like weighingthe questions differently the second time around or something weird like that... Somebody tell me PS. The Exam Cram for the exam is excellent as usual. -- Shannon Severijn CCNP, CCDP, MCSE Snot-Nosed Gen. X Punk Kid... (Cisco Mercenary) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
shannon, you bring up a good point. All the cisco tests make you take the questionairre in the beginning (as you of course know), and a disclaimer says that your final score will depend on how you answer that questionaire. I am curious to as to what effect the questionaire has on the actual score and how it is calculated. On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, shanseverijn wrote: I just want to say for the record that this exam is a bunch of B.S. All you tell you why. I took this test like a cuople weeks after I finished my CCNP/CCDP just to see where I stand and what I need to hit for this thing. Let me say that the CCIE exam 350-001 is highly overraded. So I scored a modest 60% the first time. Not bad for not really studying and just going off of experience and Theory. The problem I have is after studying for what I needed and knowing that I was going to tear this test a new A-hole I went in took the test and did everything the same except in the questionaire that I filled out I marked that I was proficient in alot more areas than I did the first time. The result well after blazing through the test in an hour and feeling DAMN confident that I got at least a 90% on the sucker I ended up getting a 58%. I WAS LIVID I was like what the hell??? I got ROBBED!!! I only missed honestly like 5 questions. I can recite the whole damn test in my sleep! I don't understand! I am so dman fustrated I can't even see straight. Why am I writing this? Well I want to know do they gauge or do anything weird with what you mark for what are you are proficient in, in the questionnaire in the beginning of the test Like weighingthe questions differently the second time around or something weird like that... Somebody tell me PS. The Exam Cram for the exam is excellent as usual. -- Shannon Severijn CCNP, CCDP, MCSE Snot-Nosed Gen. X Punk Kid... (Cisco Mercenary) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Brian Feeny, CCNA, CCDA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I actually know. Those people who've approached certification in the past using exam cram and Transcender and other exam preparation tools to pass aren't going to learn nearly as much as those who slog through the topics and understand the concepts. Seen far too many 'paper' MCSEs and sadly, all the paper-based Cisco certifications are getting that way these days. If you asked me, I say let CCNAs configure a simple 3 router lab 2 switch (19xxs) with IPX/RIP/IGRP, make CCNPs do all the basics for the various exams (STP, VLANs, IP routing, IPX routing, AppleTalk routing, bridging, redistribution, access-lists, etc) and CCIEs do anything and everything (as it is today). It will keep the population of certified Cisco engineers much lower, but you can be then truly assured of them being able to fully perform at the level they're certified at. CCNP will not be impossible to attain - a certain lab may cover some subset of topics (eg. BCMSN will be a switch lab, Support will be a troubleshooting lab). The CCIE will be as it is when you must combine all technologies, troubleshoot, and make it all work. Similarly, Networking Academy graduates (CCNAs) probably are able to do more than paper CCNAs who buy 1-2 books and maybe a router simulator... simply because they get structured training and hands-on lab time. My encouragement - learn, not cram. Understand, not memorize. Think, not dump. Work, not cheat. And lastly, when you think you know it all - that's when learning ceases (BIG mistake!). Regards, Adrian ""shanseverijn"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8o9nkt$sun$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8o9nkt$sun$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I just want to say for the record that this exam is a bunch of B.S. All you tell you why. I took this test like a cuople weeks after I finished my CCNP/CCDP just to see where I stand and what I need to hit for this thing. Let me say that the CCIE exam 350-001 is highly overraded. So I scored a modest 60% the first time. Not bad for not really studying and just going off of experience and Theory. The problem I have is after studying for what I needed and knowing that I was going to tear this test a new A-hole I went in took the test and did everything the same except in the questionaire that I filled out I marked that I was proficient in alot more areas than I did the first time. The result well after blazing through the test in an hour and feeling DAMN confident that I got at least a 90% on the sucker I ended up getting a 58%. I WAS LIVID I was like what the hell??? I got ROBBED!!! I only missed honestly like 5 questions. I can recite the whole damn test in my sleep! I don't understand! I am so dman fustrated I can't even see straight. Why am I writing this? Well I want to know do they gauge or do anything weird with what you mark for what are you are proficient in, in the questionnaire in the beginning of the test Like weighingthe questions differently the second time around or something weird like that... Somebody tell me PS. The Exam Cram for the exam is excellent as usual. -- Shannon Severijn CCNP, CCDP, MCSE Snot-Nosed Gen. X Punk Kid... (Cisco Mercenary) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
Let's see I answered the quiz at the beginning of the CID exam, and failed. I went home, studied those parts where my scores were very low, came back a week later, answered the survey the same way, and passed with miles to spare. Yeah, I guess Cisco was gunning for me the first time, and somehow they failed to notice second time. Hey gang, it ain't the survey. Chuck Snapping my fingers to keep the elephants away. It must work because there aren't any elephant around these parts. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 8:43 PM To: shanseverijn Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed! shannon, you bring up a good point. All the cisco tests make you take the questionairre in the beginning (as you of course know), and a disclaimer says that your final score will depend on how you answer that questionaire. I am curious to as to what effect the questionaire has on the actual score and how it is calculated. On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, shanseverijn wrote: I just want to say for the record that this exam is a bunch of B.S. All you tell you why. I took this test like a cuople weeks after I finished my CCNP/CCDP just to see where I stand and what I need to hit for this thing. Let me say that the CCIE exam 350-001 is highly overraded. So I scored a modest 60% the first time. Not bad for not really studying and just going off of experience and Theory. The problem I have is after studying for what I needed and knowing that I was going to tear this test a new A-hole I went in took the test and did everything the same except in the questionaire that I filled out I marked that I was proficient in alot more areas than I did the first time. The result well after blazing through the test in an hour and feeling DAMN confident that I got at least a 90% on the sucker I ended up getting a 58%. I WAS LIVID I was like what the hell??? I got ROBBED!!! I only missed honestly like 5 questions. I can recite the whole damn test in my sleep! I don't understand! I am so dman fustrated I can't even see straight. Why am I writing this? Well I want to know do they gauge or do anything weird with what you mark for what are you are proficient in, in the questionnaire in the beginning of the test Like weighingthe questions differently the second time around or something weird like that... Somebody tell me PS. The Exam Cram for the exam is excellent as usual. -- Shannon Severijn CCNP, CCDP, MCSE Snot-Nosed Gen. X Punk Kid... (Cisco Mercenary) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Brian Feeny, CCNA, CCDA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
