Re: How would you Explain it.
That's what sucks about Cleveland. We get the new technologies the last... Should have stayed in Chicago! lol. "Jack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 97snc1$8o9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:97snc1$8o9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > PacBell is also offering a "GigaMan" service in selected citiies > Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > >We have public IP addresses, our own DNS servers, Web servers, etc. The > >only sort of strange thing is that the layer-two LAN crosses the MAN, if > >that makes any sense. At our site we just have a two-port switch. A > >single-mode fiber link connects our switch to a router port at the > >provider's site across town. The provider is connected to the Internet. > > > >(When the provider said he was installing a two-port switch, I had to laugh > >and ask, isn't that a bridge??) > > > >Priscilla > > > >At 09:09 AM 3/3/01, Kenneth wrote: > >>I'm curious, if you're connected to a switch, then you don't have control > >>over your public IP Addresses then such as DNS,... or is this mostly used > >>for office to office links as opposed to a gateway to the internet? > >> > >>I guess the reason i'm wondering is we currently have an entire class C > and > >>we host our own DNS, web servers, ftp,... and I'm curious as to how this > >>would affect our routings if we do go with such a service. > >> > >> > >>Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > >> > We upgraded our T1 WAN link that cost $1500 per month to a single-mode > >> > fiber-optic 10-Mbps Ethernet MAN link that costs $700 per month. We > just > >> > have a switch at our site, no router even. Seriously. Our local > >> > municipality has a Gigabit Ethernet single-mode fiber-optic ring > running > >> > around town, and they lease capacity on it. The city is connected to > the > >> > Internet via a Cisco 7200 and a Sprint T3 link. We piggy back onto > that. > >> > > >> > And I'm in Southern Oregon, a supposedly rural area. It's happening in > >> > other towns also. Sometimes I forget how lucky we are! > >> > > >> > Priscilla > >> > > >> > At 02:28 PM 3/2/01, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > >> > > >I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point > >> > > >connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along > the > >>lines > >> > > >of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How > >>would go > >> > > >about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without > >>damaging his > >> > > >ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about > networks. > >> > > > >> > >I wouldn't say he is totally out of his mind, if he's in a geographic > >> > >area served by one of the bleeding edge Optical Ethernet providers. > >> > >Very rare so far, but there are 100 or 1000 Mbps physical facilities > >> > >over which the user pays for the amount of bandwidth he needs. Most > >> > >of the ones I'm aware of are in Europe. > >> > > > >> > >In the vast majority of locations, he is out of his mind. Assuming > >> > >he needs 10 Mbps, your choices include inverse multiplexed T1 and > >> > >ATM, fractional T3, or 10 Mbps over OC-3 facilities. I had a design > >> > >not too long ago where we were able to bring in some of the voice as > >> > >well, and found that OC-3 was quite cost-effective. It ran into a > >> > >7200. A 3600 is probably the lowest end router to consider. > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >btw... > >> > > > > >> > > >I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines. I know I > can > >>use a > >> > > >2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking a > >>clear > >> > > >channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series > router. > >> > > > > >> > > >Thanks, > >> > > > > >> > > >Keith Townsend > >> > > >www.townsendconsulting.com > >> > >\ > >> > > > >> > >_ > >> > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >> > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >> > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Priscilla Oppenheimer > >> > http://www.priscilla.com > >> > > >> > _ > >> > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >> > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >> > >> > >>_ > >>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > >Priscilla Oppenheimer > >http://www.priscilla.com > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > FAQ, list ar
Re: How would you Explain it.
Cool name: GigaMan. &;-) Priscilla At 09:18 PM 3/3/01, Jack wrote: >PacBell is also offering a "GigaMan" service in selected citiies >Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > >We have public IP addresses, our own DNS servers, Web servers, etc. The > >only sort of strange thing is that the layer-two LAN crosses the MAN, if > >that makes any sense. At our site we just have a two-port switch. A > >single-mode fiber link connects our switch to a router port at the > >provider's site across town. The provider is connected to the Internet. > > > >(When the provider said he was installing a two-port switch, I had to laugh > >and ask, isn't that a bridge??) > > > >Priscilla > > > >At 09:09 AM 3/3/01, Kenneth wrote: > >>I'm curious, if you're connected to a switch, then you don't have control > >>over your public IP Addresses then such as DNS,... or is this mostly used > >>for office to office links as opposed to a gateway to the internet? > >> > >>I guess the reason i'm wondering is we currently have an entire class C >and > >>we host our own DNS, web servers, ftp,... and I'm curious as to how this > >>would affect our routings if we do go with such a service. > >> > >> > >>Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > >> > We upgraded our T1 WAN link that cost $1500 per month to a single-mode > >> > fiber-optic 10-Mbps Ethernet MAN link that costs $700 per month. We >just > >> > have a switch at our site, no router even. Seriously. Our local > >> > municipality has a Gigabit Ethernet single-mode fiber-optic ring >running > >> > around town, and they lease capacity on it. The city is connected to >the > >> > Internet via a Cisco 7200 and a Sprint T3 link. We piggy back onto >that. > >> > > >> > And I'm in Southern Oregon, a supposedly rural area. It's happening in > >> > other towns also. Sometimes I forget how lucky we are! > >> > > >> > Priscilla > >> > > >> > At 02:28 PM 3/2/01, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > >> > > >I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point > >> > > >connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along >the > >>lines > >> > > >of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How > >>would go > >> > > >about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without > >>damaging his > >> > > >ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about >networks. > >> > > > >> > >I wouldn't say he is totally out of his mind, if he's in a geographic > >> > >area served by one of the bleeding edge Optical Ethernet providers. > >> > >Very rare so far, but there are 100 or 1000 Mbps physical facilities > >> > >over which the user pays for the amount of bandwidth he needs. Most > >> > >of the ones I'm aware of are in Europe. > >> > > > >> > >In the vast majority of locations, he is out of his mind. Assuming > >> > >he needs 10 Mbps, your choices include inverse multiplexed T1 and > >> > >ATM, fractional T3, or 10 Mbps over OC-3 facilities. I had a design > >> > >not too long ago where we were able to bring in some of the voice as > >> > >well, and found that OC-3 was quite cost-effective. It ran into a > >> > >7200. A 3600 is probably the lowest end router to consider. > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >btw... > >> > > > > >> > > >I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines. I know I >can > >>use a > >> > > >2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking a > >>clear > >> > > >channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series >router. > >> > > > > >> > > >Thanks, > >> > > > > >> > > >Keith Townsend > >> > > >www.townsendconsulting.com > >> > >\ > >> > > > >> > >_ > >> > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >> > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >> > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Priscilla Oppenheimer > >> > http://www.priscilla.com > >> > > >> > _ > >> > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >> > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >> > >> > >>_ > >>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > >Priscilla Oppenheimer > >http://www.priscilla.com > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___
Re: How would you Explain it.
Hi All, We supply quite a lot on 'LAN' connect services. These have a Gig coming back to a core with a number of 100Meg ports some to various clients 'a shared connection' others going to a site operated by the one orgaisation. These come bace into a core and do so in the couple of major cores we provide this network. The cores are connected using several ATM links thus providing a number of VLAN's statewide. In a number of cases the 'backbone' ie the links between sites provides less of a bottleneck than the LAN's they connect. This will however change as the LAN's are upgraded. Typically we would have something like a 2928G. This might provide several VLAN's including 'public' and 'private' address space. These would be connected using 'BVI' interfaces thus allowing integrated bridging and routable networks. This works well and is being extended to others faster than I could imagine. My to bob's worth, Teunis Hobart, Tasmania Australia On Friday, March 02, 2001 at 02:28:01 PM, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > >I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point > >connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along the lines > >of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How would go > >about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without damaging his > >ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about networks. > > I wouldn't say he is totally out of his mind, if he's in a geographic > area served by one of the bleeding edge Optical Ethernet providers. > Very rare so far, but there are 100 or 1000 Mbps physical facilities > over which the user pays for the amount of bandwidth he needs. Most > of the ones I'm aware of are in Europe. > > In the vast majority of locations, he is out of his mind. Assuming > he needs 10 Mbps, your choices include inverse multiplexed T1 and > ATM, fractional T3, or 10 Mbps over OC-3 facilities. I had a design > not too long ago where we were able to bring in some of the voice as > well, and found that OC-3 was quite cost-effective. It ran into a > 7200. A 3600 is probably the lowest end router to consider. > > > > >btw... > > > >I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines. I know I can use a > >2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking a clear > >channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series router. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Keith Townsend > >www.townsendconsulting.com > \ > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- www.tasmail.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How would you Explain it.
Kenneth, Optical providers can be used as either an ISP or to create a MAN or WAN. We use Yipes as an ISP, but It's not an issue. Anybody can connect a router, firewall, or even another switch (just use a non-routed VLAN to seperate it from your internal network) to the ethernet port on the provider's switch. That is all there is to it. The provider will advertise your class C or even a subnetted class C. It is up to you. You will still have full control over your addresses on your public subnet (except for the gateway IP which is on the provider's equipment). We host applications (ASP), WWW sites, FTP sites, DNS etc. This in no way limits my ability to use my public IP addresses. "Kenneth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 97r218$c0d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:97r218$c0d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I'm curious, if you're connected to a switch, then you don't have control > over your public IP Addresses then such as DNS,... or is this mostly used > for office to office links as opposed to a gateway to the internet? > > I guess the reason i'm wondering is we currently have an entire class C and > we host our own DNS, web servers, ftp,... and I'm curious as to how this > would affect our routings if we do go with such a service. > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > We upgraded our T1 WAN link that cost $1500 per month to a single-mode > > fiber-optic 10-Mbps Ethernet MAN link that costs $700 per month. We just > > have a switch at our site, no router even. Seriously. Our local > > municipality has a Gigabit Ethernet single-mode fiber-optic ring running > > around town, and they lease capacity on it. The city is connected to the > > Internet via a Cisco 7200 and a Sprint T3 link. We piggy back onto that. > > > > And I'm in Southern Oregon, a supposedly rural area. It's happening in > > other towns also. Sometimes I forget how lucky we are! > > > > Priscilla > > > > At 02:28 PM 3/2/01, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > > > >I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point > > > >connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along the > lines > > > >of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How > would go > > > >about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without > damaging his > > > >ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about networks. > > > > > >I wouldn't say he is totally out of his mind, if he's in a geographic > > >area served by one of the bleeding edge Optical Ethernet providers. > > >Very rare so far, but there are 100 or 1000 Mbps physical facilities > > >over which the user pays for the amount of bandwidth he needs. Most > > >of the ones I'm aware of are in Europe. > > > > > >In the vast majority of locations, he is out of his mind. Assuming > > >he needs 10 Mbps, your choices include inverse multiplexed T1 and > > >ATM, fractional T3, or 10 Mbps over OC-3 facilities. I had a design > > >not too long ago where we were able to bring in some of the voice as > > >well, and found that OC-3 was quite cost-effective. It ran into a > > >7200. A 3600 is probably the lowest end router to consider. > > > > > > > > > > >btw... > > > > > > > >I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines. I know I can > use a > > > >2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking a > clear > > > >channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series router. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Keith Townsend > > > >www.townsendconsulting.com > > >\ > > > > > >_ > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer > > http://www.priscilla.com > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How would you Explain it.
PacBell is also offering a "GigaMan" service in selected citiies Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... >We have public IP addresses, our own DNS servers, Web servers, etc. The >only sort of strange thing is that the layer-two LAN crosses the MAN, if >that makes any sense. At our site we just have a two-port switch. A >single-mode fiber link connects our switch to a router port at the >provider's site across town. The provider is connected to the Internet. > >(When the provider said he was installing a two-port switch, I had to laugh >and ask, isn't that a bridge??) > >Priscilla > >At 09:09 AM 3/3/01, Kenneth wrote: >>I'm curious, if you're connected to a switch, then you don't have control >>over your public IP Addresses then such as DNS,... or is this mostly used >>for office to office links as opposed to a gateway to the internet? >> >>I guess the reason i'm wondering is we currently have an entire class C and >>we host our own DNS, web servers, ftp,... and I'm curious as to how this >>would affect our routings if we do go with such a service. >> >> >>Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >>[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> > We upgraded our T1 WAN link that cost $1500 per month to a single-mode >> > fiber-optic 10-Mbps Ethernet MAN link that costs $700 per month. We just >> > have a switch at our site, no router even. Seriously. Our local >> > municipality has a Gigabit Ethernet single-mode fiber-optic ring running >> > around town, and they lease capacity on it. The city is connected to the >> > Internet via a Cisco 7200 and a Sprint T3 link. We piggy back onto that. >> > >> > And I'm in Southern Oregon, a supposedly rural area. It's happening in >> > other towns also. Sometimes I forget how lucky we are! >> > >> > Priscilla >> > >> > At 02:28 PM 3/2/01, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: >> > > >I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point >> > > >connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along the >>lines >> > > >of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How >>would go >> > > >about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without >>damaging his >> > > >ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about networks. >> > > >> > >I wouldn't say he is totally out of his mind, if he's in a geographic >> > >area served by one of the bleeding edge Optical Ethernet providers. >> > >Very rare so far, but there are 100 or 1000 Mbps physical facilities >> > >over which the user pays for the amount of bandwidth he needs. Most >> > >of the ones I'm aware of are in Europe. >> > > >> > >In the vast majority of locations, he is out of his mind. Assuming >> > >he needs 10 Mbps, your choices include inverse multiplexed T1 and >> > >ATM, fractional T3, or 10 Mbps over OC-3 facilities. I had a design >> > >not too long ago where we were able to bring in some of the voice as >> > >well, and found that OC-3 was quite cost-effective. It ran into a >> > >7200. A 3600 is probably the lowest end router to consider. >> > > >> > > > >> > > >btw... >> > > > >> > > >I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines. I know I can >>use a >> > > >2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking a >>clear >> > > >channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series router. >> > > > >> > > >Thanks, >> > > > >> > > >Keith Townsend >> > > >www.townsendconsulting.com >> > >\ >> > > >> > >_ >> > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >> > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Priscilla Oppenheimer >> > http://www.priscilla.com >> > >> > _ >> > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >> > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> >> >>_ >>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >Priscilla Oppenheimer >http://www.priscilla.com > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How would you Explain it.
We have public IP addresses, our own DNS servers, Web servers, etc. The only sort of strange thing is that the layer-two LAN crosses the MAN, if that makes any sense. At our site we just have a two-port switch. A single-mode fiber link connects our switch to a router port at the provider's site across town. The provider is connected to the Internet. (When the provider said he was installing a two-port switch, I had to laugh and ask, isn't that a bridge??) Priscilla At 09:09 AM 3/3/01, Kenneth wrote: >I'm curious, if you're connected to a switch, then you don't have control >over your public IP Addresses then such as DNS,... or is this mostly used >for office to office links as opposed to a gateway to the internet? > >I guess the reason i'm wondering is we currently have an entire class C and >we host our own DNS, web servers, ftp,... and I'm curious as to how this >would affect our routings if we do go with such a service. > > >Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > We upgraded our T1 WAN link that cost $1500 per month to a single-mode > > fiber-optic 10-Mbps Ethernet MAN link that costs $700 per month. We just > > have a switch at our site, no router even. Seriously. Our local > > municipality has a Gigabit Ethernet single-mode fiber-optic ring running > > around town, and they lease capacity on it. The city is connected to the > > Internet via a Cisco 7200 and a Sprint T3 link. We piggy back onto that. > > > > And I'm in Southern Oregon, a supposedly rural area. It's happening in > > other towns also. Sometimes I forget how lucky we are! > > > > Priscilla > > > > At 02:28 PM 3/2/01, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > > > >I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point > > > >connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along the >lines > > > >of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How >would go > > > >about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without >damaging his > > > >ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about networks. > > > > > >I wouldn't say he is totally out of his mind, if he's in a geographic > > >area served by one of the bleeding edge Optical Ethernet providers. > > >Very rare so far, but there are 100 or 1000 Mbps physical facilities > > >over which the user pays for the amount of bandwidth he needs. Most > > >of the ones I'm aware of are in Europe. > > > > > >In the vast majority of locations, he is out of his mind. Assuming > > >he needs 10 Mbps, your choices include inverse multiplexed T1 and > > >ATM, fractional T3, or 10 Mbps over OC-3 facilities. I had a design > > >not too long ago where we were able to bring in some of the voice as > > >well, and found that OC-3 was quite cost-effective. It ran into a > > >7200. A 3600 is probably the lowest end router to consider. > > > > > > > > > > >btw... > > > > > > > >I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines. I know I can >use a > > > >2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking a >clear > > > >channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series router. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Keith Townsend > > > >www.townsendconsulting.com > > >\ > > > > > >_ > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer > > http://www.priscilla.com > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How would you Explain it.
I don't think it's fair to say that they don't have control of DNS or public IP space. I've got a customer now leasing bandwidth in a very similar setup...a 10Mb fiber connection to a local switch. These guys are assigned then assigned a /26 to use as they see fit. Their DNS is maintained locally on the "public" side of the network. They also have a router that NATs from the private internal network to the public block of IPs. In your case, you have a /24 block available on which you host all of your network. Assuming that your provider has the Ethernet MAN type service available, and you want them to use your current block and setup this service, you'd have to allocate one of your local addresses to them to use on their router's Ethernet interface, and then change your nodes to point to the new gateway. You'd still have full control of DNS and your /24 IP allocation, though you'll have to work closely with the provider on policy decisions. If your provider doesn't offer this service and you go with a new provider, you'll either have to readdress your network or implement NAT with non-RFC1918 addresses on your inside network (not recommended). In either case, it's still possible for you to maintain control of your address allocations. Craig At 09:09 AM 3/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I'm curious, if you're connected to a switch, then you don't have control >over your public IP Addresses then such as DNS,... or is this mostly used >for office to office links as opposed to a gateway to the internet? > >I guess the reason i'm wondering is we currently have an entire class C and >we host our own DNS, web servers, ftp,... and I'm curious as to how this >would affect our routings if we do go with such a service. > > >Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > We upgraded our T1 WAN link that cost $1500 per month to a single-mode > > fiber-optic 10-Mbps Ethernet MAN link that costs $700 per month. We just > > have a switch at our site, no router even. Seriously. Our local > > municipality has a Gigabit Ethernet single-mode fiber-optic ring running > > around town, and they lease capacity on it. The city is connected to the > > Internet via a Cisco 7200 and a Sprint T3 link. We piggy back onto that. > > > > And I'm in Southern Oregon, a supposedly rural area. It's happening in > > other towns also. Sometimes I forget how lucky we are! > > > > Priscilla > > > > At 02:28 PM 3/2/01, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > > > >I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point > > > >connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along the >lines > > > >of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How >would go > > > >about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without >damaging his > > > >ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about networks. > > > > > >I wouldn't say he is totally out of his mind, if he's in a geographic > > >area served by one of the bleeding edge Optical Ethernet providers. > > >Very rare so far, but there are 100 or 1000 Mbps physical facilities > > >over which the user pays for the amount of bandwidth he needs. Most > > >of the ones I'm aware of are in Europe. > > > > > >In the vast majority of locations, he is out of his mind. Assuming > > >he needs 10 Mbps, your choices include inverse multiplexed T1 and > > >ATM, fractional T3, or 10 Mbps over OC-3 facilities. I had a design > > >not too long ago where we were able to bring in some of the voice as > > >well, and found that OC-3 was quite cost-effective. It ran into a > > >7200. A 3600 is probably the lowest end router to consider. > > > > > > > > > > >btw... > > > > > > > >I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines. I know I can >use a > > > >2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking a >clear > > > >channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series router. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Keith Townsend > > > >www.townsendconsulting.com > > >\ > > > > > >_ > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer > > http://www.priscilla.com > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How would you Explain it.
Most likely the ISP has a layer 3 switch that has a single port (the port out to them) configured for their subnet, and the route processor handles their routing. Essentially they're just bridging to their ISP. -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ Cisco resources: http://r2cisco.artoo.net/ ""Kenneth"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 97r218$c0d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:97r218$c0d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I'm curious, if you're connected to a switch, then you don't have control > over your public IP Addresses then such as DNS,... or is this mostly used > for office to office links as opposed to a gateway to the internet? > > I guess the reason i'm wondering is we currently have an entire class C and > we host our own DNS, web servers, ftp,... and I'm curious as to how this > would affect our routings if we do go with such a service. > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > We upgraded our T1 WAN link that cost $1500 per month to a single-mode > > fiber-optic 10-Mbps Ethernet MAN link that costs $700 per month. We just > > have a switch at our site, no router even. Seriously. Our local > > municipality has a Gigabit Ethernet single-mode fiber-optic ring running > > around town, and they lease capacity on it. The city is connected to the > > Internet via a Cisco 7200 and a Sprint T3 link. We piggy back onto that. > > > > And I'm in Southern Oregon, a supposedly rural area. It's happening in > > other towns also. Sometimes I forget how lucky we are! > > > > Priscilla > > > > At 02:28 PM 3/2/01, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > > > >I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point > > > >connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along the > lines > > > >of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How > would go > > > >about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without > damaging his > > > >ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about networks. > > > > > >I wouldn't say he is totally out of his mind, if he's in a geographic > > >area served by one of the bleeding edge Optical Ethernet providers. > > >Very rare so far, but there are 100 or 1000 Mbps physical facilities > > >over which the user pays for the amount of bandwidth he needs. Most > > >of the ones I'm aware of are in Europe. > > > > > >In the vast majority of locations, he is out of his mind. Assuming > > >he needs 10 Mbps, your choices include inverse multiplexed T1 and > > >ATM, fractional T3, or 10 Mbps over OC-3 facilities. I had a design > > >not too long ago where we were able to bring in some of the voice as > > >well, and found that OC-3 was quite cost-effective. It ran into a > > >7200. A 3600 is probably the lowest end router to consider. > > > > > > > > > > >btw... > > > > > > > >I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines. I know I can > use a > > > >2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking a > clear > > > >channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series router. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Keith Townsend > > > >www.townsendconsulting.com > > >\ > > > > > >_ > > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer > > http://www.priscilla.com > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How would you Explain it.
I'm curious, if you're connected to a switch, then you don't have control over your public IP Addresses then such as DNS,... or is this mostly used for office to office links as opposed to a gateway to the internet? I guess the reason i'm wondering is we currently have an entire class C and we host our own DNS, web servers, ftp,... and I'm curious as to how this would affect our routings if we do go with such a service. Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > We upgraded our T1 WAN link that cost $1500 per month to a single-mode > fiber-optic 10-Mbps Ethernet MAN link that costs $700 per month. We just > have a switch at our site, no router even. Seriously. Our local > municipality has a Gigabit Ethernet single-mode fiber-optic ring running > around town, and they lease capacity on it. The city is connected to the > Internet via a Cisco 7200 and a Sprint T3 link. We piggy back onto that. > > And I'm in Southern Oregon, a supposedly rural area. It's happening in > other towns also. Sometimes I forget how lucky we are! > > Priscilla > > At 02:28 PM 3/2/01, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > > >I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point > > >connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along the lines > > >of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How would go > > >about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without damaging his > > >ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about networks. > > > >I wouldn't say he is totally out of his mind, if he's in a geographic > >area served by one of the bleeding edge Optical Ethernet providers. > >Very rare so far, but there are 100 or 1000 Mbps physical facilities > >over which the user pays for the amount of bandwidth he needs. Most > >of the ones I'm aware of are in Europe. > > > >In the vast majority of locations, he is out of his mind. Assuming > >he needs 10 Mbps, your choices include inverse multiplexed T1 and > >ATM, fractional T3, or 10 Mbps over OC-3 facilities. I had a design > >not too long ago where we were able to bring in some of the voice as > >well, and found that OC-3 was quite cost-effective. It ran into a > >7200. A 3600 is probably the lowest end router to consider. > > > > > > > >btw... > > > > > >I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines. I know I can use a > > >2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking a clear > > >channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series router. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Keith Townsend > > >www.townsendconsulting.com > >\ > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer > http://www.priscilla.com > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How would you Explain it.
Keith, We are currently using Yipes as an ISP. They also offer a MAN and WAN service. They advertise 1Mbps and up but then they told us "that they no longer offer that product". They wanted to start us off at 3Mbps. We ended up signing a contract for 2Mbps to replace our T1 for a cost of 1400. mthly. There is no need for any router. They installed an Extreme Networks Summit 48. Their fiber connects to the Extreme via a GBIC and one of our Cisco 3524 switches connect to one of its ethernet ports. All other ports sit idle (What a waste!). Anyways, I believe Yipes is only up and running in a couple of cities, though they have current plans for twelve. I'm sure there are other optical providers in other cities. The real question is whether you really need that much bandwidth. Samuel Rey MCSE+Internet, CCNA, CCDA, CCA ""Keith Townsend"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 97pck7$8qh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:97pck7$8qh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Thanks for all the info. I'll look into Yipes sounds interesting. I didn't > think any of these companies were actually offering services now. Have any > of you actually used Yipes. What type of CPE had you have to invest in. > Also, is it any good if the service provider go down under. > > I guess it would be a chance for me to learn alot about tunneling other > protocols over IP because these guys are bridging a bunch of stuff now. > > Thanks, > > Keith Townsend > MCSE, CNE, CCNA > Townsend Consulting > www.townsendconsulting.com > ""Plantier, William (Spencer)"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in > message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Depending on what area you are at Adelphia will sell them a 10mg > connection. > > -Original Message----- > > From: Ben Hockenhull [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 2:20 PM > > To: Keith Townsend > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: How would you Explain it. > > > > > > On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Keith Townsend wrote: > > > > > I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point > > > connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along the > > lines > > > of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How would > > go > > > about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without damaging > > his > > > ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about networks. > > > > Actually, there are several companies that claim to offer connectivity > > from 1Mbps up to 1Gbps delivered via ethernet. Cogent Communications is > > one such company, at http://www.cogentco.com/. I don't know if they're > > actually selling service and I have my doubts about their claims. > > > > Another company is Yipes, at http://www.yipes.com/, offering scalable > > bandwidth from 1Mbps to 1Gbps. They seem to have a decent business plan > > and a reasonable infrastructure, but again, I can't speak for their actual > > service. > > > > This doesn't address any other misconceptions that your client may have > > regarding WAN bandwidth, but there you go. > > > > Ben > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How would you Explain it.
We upgraded our T1 WAN link that cost $1500 per month to a single-mode fiber-optic 10-Mbps Ethernet MAN link that costs $700 per month. We just have a switch at our site, no router even. Seriously. Our local municipality has a Gigabit Ethernet single-mode fiber-optic ring running around town, and they lease capacity on it. The city is connected to the Internet via a Cisco 7200 and a Sprint T3 link. We piggy back onto that. And I'm in Southern Oregon, a supposedly rural area. It's happening in other towns also. Sometimes I forget how lucky we are! Priscilla At 02:28 PM 3/2/01, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > >I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point > >connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along the lines > >of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How would go > >about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without damaging his > >ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about networks. > >I wouldn't say he is totally out of his mind, if he's in a geographic >area served by one of the bleeding edge Optical Ethernet providers. >Very rare so far, but there are 100 or 1000 Mbps physical facilities >over which the user pays for the amount of bandwidth he needs. Most >of the ones I'm aware of are in Europe. > >In the vast majority of locations, he is out of his mind. Assuming >he needs 10 Mbps, your choices include inverse multiplexed T1 and >ATM, fractional T3, or 10 Mbps over OC-3 facilities. I had a design >not too long ago where we were able to bring in some of the voice as >well, and found that OC-3 was quite cost-effective. It ran into a >7200. A 3600 is probably the lowest end router to consider. > > > > >btw... > > > >I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines. I know I can use a > >2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking a clear > >channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series router. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Keith Townsend > >www.townsendconsulting.com >\ > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How would you Explain it.
Thanks for all the info. I'll look into Yipes sounds interesting. I didn't think any of these companies were actually offering services now. Have any of you actually used Yipes. What type of CPE had you have to invest in. Also, is it any good if the service provider go down under. I guess it would be a chance for me to learn alot about tunneling other protocols over IP because these guys are bridging a bunch of stuff now. Thanks, Keith Townsend MCSE, CNE, CCNA Townsend Consulting www.townsendconsulting.com ""Plantier, William (Spencer)"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Depending on what area you are at Adelphia will sell them a 10mg connection. > -Original Message- > From: Ben Hockenhull [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 2:20 PM > To: Keith Townsend > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: How would you Explain it. > > > On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Keith Townsend wrote: > > > I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point > > connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along the > lines > > of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How would > go > > about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without damaging > his > > ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about networks. > > Actually, there are several companies that claim to offer connectivity > from 1Mbps up to 1Gbps delivered via ethernet. Cogent Communications is > one such company, at http://www.cogentco.com/. I don't know if they're > actually selling service and I have my doubts about their claims. > > Another company is Yipes, at http://www.yipes.com/, offering scalable > bandwidth from 1Mbps to 1Gbps. They seem to have a decent business plan > and a reasonable infrastructure, but again, I can't speak for their actual > service. > > This doesn't address any other misconceptions that your client may have > regarding WAN bandwidth, but there you go. > > Ben > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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check out terabeamtheir great. mike On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Moe Tavakoli wrote: > Another to look into is Telseon (we just used them and > they are great.) > > I would approach him him possible solution: > T1 > T3 > OC-3 > And solutions from the fiber types (as stated before) > > Then let him decide what he can afford. > > Make sure to put ht eassociated hardware costs on > paper for him too. > > For the T3 you'll need something that can support a > HSSI or DS-3 port (I think the 3600 series supports > the HSSI and OC-3, then 7500 is the first place I can > remember for the DS-3 w/DSU integrated, others you'll > need an external CSU/DSU) > > --- Ben Hockenhull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Keith Townsend wrote: > > > > > I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K > > ISDN point to point > > > connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He > > is thinking along the lines > > > of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb > > connection. How would go > > > about explaining to this guy that he is out of his > > mind without damaging his > > > ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's > > knowledgeable about networks. > > > > Actually, there are several companies that claim to > > offer connectivity > > from 1Mbps up to 1Gbps delivered via ethernet. > > Cogent Communications is > > one such company, at http://www.cogentco.com/. I > > don't know if they're > > actually selling service and I have my doubts about > > their claims. > > > > Another company is Yipes, at http://www.yipes.com/, > > offering scalable > > bandwidth from 1Mbps to 1Gbps. They seem to have a > > decent business plan > > and a reasonable infrastructure, but again, I can't > > speak for their actual > > service. > > > > This doesn't address any other misconceptions that > > your client may have > > regarding WAN bandwidth, but there you go. > > > > Ben > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > = > _ > Moe Tavakoli > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How would you Explain it.
Another to look into is Telseon (we just used them and they are great.) I would approach him him possible solution: T1 T3 OC-3 And solutions from the fiber types (as stated before) Then let him decide what he can afford. Make sure to put ht eassociated hardware costs on paper for him too. For the T3 you'll need something that can support a HSSI or DS-3 port (I think the 3600 series supports the HSSI and OC-3, then 7500 is the first place I can remember for the DS-3 w/DSU integrated, others you'll need an external CSU/DSU) --- Ben Hockenhull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Keith Townsend wrote: > > > I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K > ISDN point to point > > connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He > is thinking along the lines > > of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb > connection. How would go > > about explaining to this guy that he is out of his > mind without damaging his > > ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's > knowledgeable about networks. > > Actually, there are several companies that claim to > offer connectivity > from 1Mbps up to 1Gbps delivered via ethernet. > Cogent Communications is > one such company, at http://www.cogentco.com/. I > don't know if they're > actually selling service and I have my doubts about > their claims. > > Another company is Yipes, at http://www.yipes.com/, > offering scalable > bandwidth from 1Mbps to 1Gbps. They seem to have a > decent business plan > and a reasonable infrastructure, but again, I can't > speak for their actual > service. > > This doesn't address any other misconceptions that > your client may have > regarding WAN bandwidth, but there you go. > > Ben > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = _ Moe Tavakoli __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How would you Explain it.
Depending on what area you are at Adelphia will sell them a 10mg connection. -Original Message- From: Ben Hockenhull [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 2:20 PM To: Keith Townsend Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How would you Explain it. On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Keith Townsend wrote: > I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point > connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along the lines > of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How would go > about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without damaging his > ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about networks. Actually, there are several companies that claim to offer connectivity from 1Mbps up to 1Gbps delivered via ethernet. Cogent Communications is one such company, at http://www.cogentco.com/. I don't know if they're actually selling service and I have my doubts about their claims. Another company is Yipes, at http://www.yipes.com/, offering scalable bandwidth from 1Mbps to 1Gbps. They seem to have a decent business plan and a reasonable infrastructure, but again, I can't speak for their actual service. This doesn't address any other misconceptions that your client may have regarding WAN bandwidth, but there you go. Ben _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How would you Explain it.
Here in Tallahassee, we (Sprint) provide a Gigabit Ethernet MAN. Fiber to the customer prem, L2 or L3, MPLS/VPN for security. The backbone is Gig but we are currently only providing 100Mbps for access. Gig will probably come shortly, as our primary customer is the State of Florida and all of its component agencies - they sure love bandwidth! Andrew Cook - Original Message - From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 2:28 PM Subject: Re: How would you Explain it. > >I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point > >connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along the lines > >of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How would go > >about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without damaging his > >ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about networks. > > I wouldn't say he is totally out of his mind, if he's in a geographic > area served by one of the bleeding edge Optical Ethernet providers. > Very rare so far, but there are 100 or 1000 Mbps physical facilities > over which the user pays for the amount of bandwidth he needs. Most > of the ones I'm aware of are in Europe. > > In the vast majority of locations, he is out of his mind. Assuming > he needs 10 Mbps, your choices include inverse multiplexed T1 and > ATM, fractional T3, or 10 Mbps over OC-3 facilities. I had a design > not too long ago where we were able to bring in some of the voice as > well, and found that OC-3 was quite cost-effective. It ran into a > 7200. A 3600 is probably the lowest end router to consider. > > > > >btw... > > > >I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines. I know I can use a > >2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking a clear > >channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series router. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Keith Townsend > >www.townsendconsulting.com > \ > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How would you Explain it.
>I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point >connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along the lines >of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How would go >about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without damaging his >ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about networks. I wouldn't say he is totally out of his mind, if he's in a geographic area served by one of the bleeding edge Optical Ethernet providers. Very rare so far, but there are 100 or 1000 Mbps physical facilities over which the user pays for the amount of bandwidth he needs. Most of the ones I'm aware of are in Europe. In the vast majority of locations, he is out of his mind. Assuming he needs 10 Mbps, your choices include inverse multiplexed T1 and ATM, fractional T3, or 10 Mbps over OC-3 facilities. I had a design not too long ago where we were able to bring in some of the voice as well, and found that OC-3 was quite cost-effective. It ran into a 7200. A 3600 is probably the lowest end router to consider. > >btw... > >I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines. I know I can use a >2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking a clear >channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series router. > >Thanks, > >Keith Townsend >www.townsendconsulting.com \ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How would you Explain it.
On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Keith Townsend wrote: > I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point > connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along the lines > of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How would go > about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without damaging his > ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about networks. Actually, there are several companies that claim to offer connectivity from 1Mbps up to 1Gbps delivered via ethernet. Cogent Communications is one such company, at http://www.cogentco.com/. I don't know if they're actually selling service and I have my doubts about their claims. Another company is Yipes, at http://www.yipes.com/, offering scalable bandwidth from 1Mbps to 1Gbps. They seem to have a decent business plan and a reasonable infrastructure, but again, I can't speak for their actual service. This doesn't address any other misconceptions that your client may have regarding WAN bandwidth, but there you go. Ben _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You might want to be careful whose ego is damaged. Tell him to go to Yipes and he can meet his needs. They have a pure IP over fiber network with a native ethernet interface to the office. There is no need for telephony. Bandwidth is scalable from 1 Mbps to 1 Gbps bandwidth in 1 Mbps increments. And no, I don't work for them so this isn't a sales pitch. Keith Townsend wrote: > > I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point > connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along the lines > of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How would go > about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without damaging his > ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about networks. > > btw... > > I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines. I know I can use a > 2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking a clear > channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series router. > > Thanks, > > Keith Townsend > www.townsendconsulting.com > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How would you Explain it.
I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point connections to at lease a 10mbps connection. He is thinking along the lines of LAN technologies. He idea connection is a 1gb connection. How would go about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without damaging his ego. His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about networks. btw... I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines. I know I can use a 2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking a clear channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series router. Thanks, Keith Townsend www.townsendconsulting.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
