RE: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
> > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, and > the > > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far > apart are > > the poles? > > If I understand correctly, I think the answer to this one is 16'. If the rope is attached to the ends of the poles, then the drop of the rope is 20' - 4' = 16'. The rope has total length of 32', the total length is composed of a drop and a horizontal span. So even though the shape of the rope is a parabola, we can just subtract the drop from the total length to get the span. Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40839&t=40553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
Well, if you want to get that nit-picky, it's not even an accurate
technicality. What if the rope is attached by drilling a hole through the
poles, for example - any method so that the rope is not wrapped around the
pole? Then you can put the poles side by side without the rope getting in
the way.
JMcL
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"Dusty Harper"
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Actually 0' is physically impossible due to the width of the rope
needing to be taken into account, but that's just a technicality.
-Original Message-
From: Craig Columbus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
Part A: I heard this one where the friend also has a key that will open
his lock, but not yours. Also, the condition is that no destructive
techniques are allowed, so breaking or cutting wasn't a possible
solution.
Part B:
He never states that the rope is attached to the top of the pole, just
that
it's attached to the pole. So, the answer is that the poles are
somewhere
between 0 and 32 feet apart.
Craig
At 11:33 PM 4/5/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>I'll bite.
>a) Boxes and diamond. Gordian Knot technique. Lock the diamond in your
box
>and send it to your friend. He breaks the lock or cuts open the box.
>b) Poles and rope. The poles are touching.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dusty Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553]
>
> > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world solutions
to
> > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or problems.
> >
> > As an example:
> >
> > Prep:
> > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and a
> > diamond.
> > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box.
> >
> > Goal:
> > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier.
However
> > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How do you do
> > this?
> >
> >
> > Another example:
> >
> > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, and
the
> > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far apart are
> > the poles?
> >
> > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations.
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RE: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
Actually 0' is physically impossible due to the width of the rope needing to be taken into account, but that's just a technicality. -Original Message- From: Craig Columbus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553] Part A: I heard this one where the friend also has a key that will open his lock, but not yours. Also, the condition is that no destructive techniques are allowed, so breaking or cutting wasn't a possible solution. Part B: He never states that the rope is attached to the top of the pole, just that it's attached to the pole. So, the answer is that the poles are somewhere between 0 and 32 feet apart. Craig At 11:33 PM 4/5/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I'll bite. >a) Boxes and diamond. Gordian Knot technique. Lock the diamond in your box >and send it to your friend. He breaks the lock or cuts open the box. >b) Poles and rope. The poles are touching. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dusty Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553] > > > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world solutions to > > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or problems. > > > > As an example: > > > > Prep: > > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and a > > diamond. > > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box. > > > > Goal: > > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier. However > > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How do you do > > this? > > > > > > Another example: > > > > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, and the > > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far apart are > > the poles? > > > > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40849&t=40553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
Correct -Original Message- From: John Allhiser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 6:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553] The first one is simple if you relate it to public key sharing in network security. Place the diamond in the box. Secure the box with your lock. Send it to your friend. So far, it's safe from the courier. When your friend receives the box, she secures the box with her lock and sends it back to you. Still safe. You remove your lock and send it back to her. Still safe. She removes her lock and retrieves the diamond. All of this is done without the use of relatively prime numbers. ;o) The second puzzle has already been answered using the details given --- 0'-32' > > -Original Message- > > From: Dusty Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553] > > > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world solutions to > > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or problems. > > > > As an example: > > > > Prep: > > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and a > > diamond. > > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box. > > > > Goal: > > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier. However > > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How do you do > > this? > > > > > > Another example: > > > > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, and the > > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far apart are > > the poles? > > > > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40848&t=40553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
>How about lock the courier inside the box, throw away the key, keep the
>diamond?
With that answer, you probably would get the Microsoft job, but
they'd offer you one in competitive marketing!
>
>
>how about lock his box inside your box, let him keep his key and send the
>key with your box with the courier.
>
>-Patrick
>
>>>> "Joe Morabito" 04/06/02 09:04AM >>>
>solution for part A:
>
>Lock the box, send it to your friend. Send the key as a separate delivery.
>
>In essence there are two deliveries made.
>
>
>- Original Message -----
>From: "Craig Columbus"
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 12:58 AM
>Subject: Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
>
>
>> Part A: I heard this one where the friend also has a key that will open
>> his lock, but not yours. Also, the condition is that no destructive
>> techniques are allowed, so breaking or cutting wasn't a possible
>solution.
>>
>> Part B:
>> He never states that the rope is attached to the top of the pole, just
>that
>> it's attached to the pole. So, the answer is that the poles are
>somewhere
>> between 0 and 32 feet apart.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> At 11:33 PM 4/5/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>> >I'll bite.
>> >a) Boxes and diamond. Gordian Knot technique. Lock the diamond in your
>box
>> >and send it to your friend. He breaks the lock or cuts open the box.
>> >b) Poles and rope. The poles are touching.
>> >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: Dusty Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM
>> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553]
>> >
>> > > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world solutions to
>> > > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or problems.
>> > >
>> > > As an example:
>> > >
>> > > Prep:
>> > > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and a
>> > > diamond.
>> > > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box.
>> > >
>> > > Goal:
>> > > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier.
>However
>> > > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How do you do
>> > > this?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Another example:
>> > >
>> > > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, and
>the
>> > > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far apart are
>> > > the poles?
>> > >
>> > > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations.
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Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
How about lock the courier inside the box, throw away the key, keep the
diamond?
"Patrick
Ramsey"
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how about lock his box inside your box, let him keep his key and send the
key with your box with the courier.
-Patrick
>>> "Joe Morabito" 04/06/02 09:04AM >>>
solution for part A:
Lock the box, send it to your friend. Send the key as a separate delivery.
In essence there are two deliveries made.
- Original Message -
From: "Craig Columbus"
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
> Part A: I heard this one where the friend also has a key that will open
> his lock, but not yours. Also, the condition is that no destructive
> techniques are allowed, so breaking or cutting wasn't a possible
solution.
>
> Part B:
> He never states that the rope is attached to the top of the pole, just
that
> it's attached to the pole. So, the answer is that the poles are
somewhere
> between 0 and 32 feet apart.
>
> Craig
>
> At 11:33 PM 4/5/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >I'll bite.
> >a) Boxes and diamond. Gordian Knot technique. Lock the diamond in your
box
> >and send it to your friend. He breaks the lock or cuts open the box.
> >b) Poles and rope. The poles are touching.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Dusty Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553]
> >
> > > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world solutions to
> > > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or problems.
> > >
> > > As an example:
> > >
> > > Prep:
> > > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and a
> > > diamond.
> > > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box.
> > >
> > > Goal:
> > > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier.
However
> > > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How do you do
> > > this?
> > >
> > >
> > > Another example:
> > >
> > > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, and
the
> > > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far apart are
> > > the poles?
> > >
> > > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations.
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RE: Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
Comments inline... On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Leigh Anne Chisholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > A few problems with your theory, as I see it. > > #1. How do you wind up with his key to begin with? > > #2. If the courier will steal anything, when your friend sends you his > box > unlocked, the courier will steal the box - and thus, you have nothing to > place > your diamond into. I made two assumptions: 1. These boxes can be locked without a key and the locks are part of the box, not separate locks. 2. The courier won't steal the whole box. If he will steal the box, then I think the rest of the puzzle is moot because he'll just run away with all the boxes! :-) I won't ever need his key. He sends me just his box, unlocked, and hopefully the courier won't steal empty, unlocked boxes. I then place my key into the box and lock it, assuming the locking mechanism does not require his key. I then place the diamond into my own box and lock it. When all of this arrives on his side he'll have my box with the diamond in it and he'll have my key to open it. If either of my assumptions are wrong then a different method would be necessary. I personally liked the method someone else suggested where you lock the box up with the diamond in it, send it to the other person who then places his own lock on it (we're assuming that the locking mechanisms are separate from the boxes) and sends it back to you. You take your lock off and send it back to him. He removes his lock and now can get to the diamond in the box. > > #3. Why send diamonds by courier when they look so darned good on my > hand or > displayed on a delicate pendant dangling from a gold necklace laying > precociously around my neck? > That sounds like something my wife would say. :-) John Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40719&t=40553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A few problems with your theory, as I see it. #1. How do you wind up with his key to begin with? #2. If the courier will steal anything, when your friend sends you his box unlocked, the courier will steal the box - and thus, you have nothing to place your diamond into. #3. Why send diamonds by courier when they look so darned good on my hand or displayed on a delicate pendant dangling from a gold necklace laying precociously around my neck? -- Leigh Anne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Neiberger Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 12:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553] But the courier will steal anything that isn't locked up, including a key! I believe the solution is as follows: Your friend sends you his box, unlocked, by courier. You place your key inside his box, lock it, and send it back. You then place the diamond into your box, lock it, and send it over. He can unlock your box because he has your key. John On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Kent Yu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Daniel, > > I think the first answer could be just lock the stone in the box, give > the > box and your key to the courier. > > Kent > > ""Daniel Cotts"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I'll bite. > > a) Boxes and diamond. Gordian Knot technique. Lock the diamond in your > box > > and send it to your friend. He breaks the lock or cuts open the box. > > b) Poles and rope. The poles are touching. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Dusty Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553] > > > > > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world solutions > to > > > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or problems. > > > > > > As an example: > > > > > > Prep: > > > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and a > > > diamond. > > > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box. > > > > > > Goal: > > > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier. However > > > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How do you do > > > this? > > > > > > > > > Another example: > > > > > > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, and the > > > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far apart are > > > the poles? > > > > > > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40717&t=40553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Agreed. There are too many variables here. Even if the question stated that an exact answer could be derived given this information then one of two possibilities could exist: 1) The rope is 4 feet off the ground in this configuration: | | | | | | | | |---| | | 2) the Lowest point of the rope is 0' |\| | \ | | \ | | \ | |\| Perhaps these questions were formulated to compell the prospective employee to demonstrate that he/she is capable of demanding all the necessary information to complete the puzzle. This would be required of a sales engineeer, e.g.. On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 16:10, John Neiberger wrote: > > On the second question about the poles, I found it entirely too > vague. It never stated where the ropes were attached to the > poles or even if the poles were aligned vertically. What if > the poles were horizontal and the rope was attached to the > middle? :-) > > John > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Roberts, Larry > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Might I ask how your going to lock his box ? The courier > would steal it > > if > > he gets his hands on it the dang courier. > > > > Thanks > > > > Larry > > > > -Original Message- > > From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 2:11 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story > [7:40553] > > > > > > But the courier will steal anything that isn't locked up, > > including a key! I believe the solution is as follows: > > > > Your friend sends you his box, unlocked, by courier. You > place > > your key inside his box, lock it, and send it back. You > then > > place the diamond into your box, lock it, and send it over. > He > > can unlock your box because he has your key. > > > > John > > > > > > > > On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Kent Yu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > Daniel, > > > > > > I think the first answer could be just lock the stone in the > > box, give > > > the > > > box and your key to the courier. > > > > > > Kent > > > > > > ""Daniel Cotts"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > I'll bite. > > > > a) Boxes and diamond. Gordian Knot technique. Lock the > > diamond in your > > > box > > > > and send it to your friend. He breaks the lock or cuts > open > > the box. > > > > b) Poles and rope. The poles are touching. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: Dusty Harper > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553] > > > > > > > > > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world > > solutions > > > to > > > > > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > As an example: > > > > > > > > > > Prep: > > > > > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and > a diamond. > > > > > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box. > > > > > > > > > > Goal: > > > > > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier. > > However > > > > > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How > > do you do > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another example: > > > > > > > > > > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, > > and the > > > > > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how > far > > apart are > > > > > the poles? > > > > > > > > > > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40706&t=40553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I guess I was going on two assumptions: first, if the courier could steal the box itself then the rest of the puzzle is moot ; and second, that these were boxes with attached locks and you could lock them without a key. If the locks aren't attached to the box then you'd have to use one of the other solutions posted. On the second question about the poles, I found it entirely too vague. It never stated where the ropes were attached to the poles or even if the poles were aligned vertically. What if the poles were horizontal and the rope was attached to the middle? :-) John On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Roberts, Larry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Might I ask how your going to lock his box ? The courier would steal it > if > he gets his hands on it the dang courier. > > Thanks > > Larry > > -Original Message- > From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 2:11 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553] > > > But the courier will steal anything that isn't locked up, > including a key! I believe the solution is as follows: > > Your friend sends you his box, unlocked, by courier. You place > your key inside his box, lock it, and send it back. You then > place the diamond into your box, lock it, and send it over. He > can unlock your box because he has your key. > > John > > > > On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Kent Yu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Daniel, > > > > I think the first answer could be just lock the stone in the > box, give > > the > > box and your key to the courier. > > > > Kent > > > > ""Daniel Cotts"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > I'll bite. > > > a) Boxes and diamond. Gordian Knot technique. Lock the > diamond in your > > box > > > and send it to your friend. He breaks the lock or cuts open > the box. > > > b) Poles and rope. The poles are touching. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Dusty Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553] > > > > > > > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world > solutions > > to > > > > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or > problems. > > > > > > > > As an example: > > > > > > > > Prep: > > > > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and a diamond. > > > > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box. > > > > > > > > Goal: > > > > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier. > However > > > > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How > do you do > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Another example: > > > > > > > > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, > and the > > > > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far > apart are > > > > the poles? > > > > > > > > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40704&t=40553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't see why your friend can't send you his lock (without the key), allowing you put diamond in any your box but lock it with his lock, and send it back. I guess I don't understand what the courier is going to steal. Will he take anything, including boxes and locks, or just diamonds? On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 14:21, Kent Yu wrote: > John, > > I did not think of the key, but the couier could steal the unlocked box, > right? > I think John Allhiser got it right. I guess I need spend more time on > security. > > Kent > > ""John Neiberger"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > But the courier will steal anything that isn't locked up, > > including a key! I believe the solution is as follows: > > > > Your friend sends you his box, unlocked, by courier. You place > > your key inside his box, lock it, and send it back. You then > > place the diamond into your box, lock it, and send it over. He > > can unlock your box because he has your key. > > > > John > > > > > > > > On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Kent Yu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > Daniel, > > > > > > I think the first answer could be just lock the stone in the > > box, give > > > the > > > box and your key to the courier. > > > > > > Kent > > > > > > ""Daniel Cotts"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > I'll bite. > > > > a) Boxes and diamond. Gordian Knot technique. Lock the > > diamond in your > > > box > > > > and send it to your friend. He breaks the lock or cuts open > > the box. > > > > b) Poles and rope. The poles are touching. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: Dusty Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553] > > > > > > > > > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world > > solutions > > > to > > > > > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > As an example: > > > > > > > > > > Prep: > > > > > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and a > > > > > diamond. > > > > > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box. > > > > > > > > > > Goal: > > > > > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier. > > However > > > > > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How > > do you do > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another example: > > > > > > > > > > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, > > and the > > > > > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far > > apart are > > > > > the poles? > > > > > > > > > > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40703&t=40553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
Might I ask how your going to lock his box ? The courier would steal it if he gets his hands on it the dang courier. Thanks Larry -Original Message- From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 2:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553] But the courier will steal anything that isn't locked up, including a key! I believe the solution is as follows: Your friend sends you his box, unlocked, by courier. You place your key inside his box, lock it, and send it back. You then place the diamond into your box, lock it, and send it over. He can unlock your box because he has your key. John On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Kent Yu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Daniel, > > I think the first answer could be just lock the stone in the box, give > the > box and your key to the courier. > > Kent > > ""Daniel Cotts"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I'll bite. > > a) Boxes and diamond. Gordian Knot technique. Lock the diamond in your > box > > and send it to your friend. He breaks the lock or cuts open the box. > > b) Poles and rope. The poles are touching. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Dusty Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553] > > > > > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world solutions > to > > > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or problems. > > > > > > As an example: > > > > > > Prep: > > > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and a diamond. > > > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box. > > > > > > Goal: > > > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier. However > > > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How do you do > > > this? > > > > > > > > > Another example: > > > > > > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, and the > > > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far apart are > > > the poles? > > > > > > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40702&t=40553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
how about lock his box inside your box, let him keep his key and send the
key with your box with the courier.
-Patrick
>>> "Joe Morabito" 04/06/02 09:04AM >>>
solution for part A:
Lock the box, send it to your friend. Send the key as a separate delivery.
In essence there are two deliveries made.
- Original Message -
From: "Craig Columbus"
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
> Part A: I heard this one where the friend also has a key that will open
> his lock, but not yours. Also, the condition is that no destructive
> techniques are allowed, so breaking or cutting wasn't a possible solution.
>
> Part B:
> He never states that the rope is attached to the top of the pole, just
that
> it's attached to the pole. So, the answer is that the poles are somewhere
> between 0 and 32 feet apart.
>
> Craig
>
> At 11:33 PM 4/5/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >I'll bite.
> >a) Boxes and diamond. Gordian Knot technique. Lock the diamond in your
box
> >and send it to your friend. He breaks the lock or cuts open the box.
> >b) Poles and rope. The poles are touching.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Dusty Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553]
> >
> > > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world solutions to
> > > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or problems.
> > >
> > > As an example:
> > >
> > > Prep:
> > > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and a
> > > diamond.
> > > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box.
> > >
> > > Goal:
> > > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier. However
> > > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How do you do
> > > this?
> > >
> > >
> > > Another example:
> > >
> > > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, and the
> > > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far apart are
> > > the poles?
> > >
> > > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations.
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Re: Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
John, I did not think of the key, but the couier could steal the unlocked box, right? I think John Allhiser got it right. I guess I need spend more time on security. Kent ""John Neiberger"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > But the courier will steal anything that isn't locked up, > including a key! I believe the solution is as follows: > > Your friend sends you his box, unlocked, by courier. You place > your key inside his box, lock it, and send it back. You then > place the diamond into your box, lock it, and send it over. He > can unlock your box because he has your key. > > John > > > > On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Kent Yu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Daniel, > > > > I think the first answer could be just lock the stone in the > box, give > > the > > box and your key to the courier. > > > > Kent > > > > ""Daniel Cotts"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > I'll bite. > > > a) Boxes and diamond. Gordian Knot technique. Lock the > diamond in your > > box > > > and send it to your friend. He breaks the lock or cuts open > the box. > > > b) Poles and rope. The poles are touching. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Dusty Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553] > > > > > > > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world > solutions > > to > > > > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or > problems. > > > > > > > > As an example: > > > > > > > > Prep: > > > > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and a > > > > diamond. > > > > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box. > > > > > > > > Goal: > > > > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier. > However > > > > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How > do you do > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Another example: > > > > > > > > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, > and the > > > > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far > apart are > > > > the poles? > > > > > > > > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40695&t=40553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
But the courier will steal anything that isn't locked up, including a key! I believe the solution is as follows: Your friend sends you his box, unlocked, by courier. You place your key inside his box, lock it, and send it back. You then place the diamond into your box, lock it, and send it over. He can unlock your box because he has your key. John On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Kent Yu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Daniel, > > I think the first answer could be just lock the stone in the box, give > the > box and your key to the courier. > > Kent > > ""Daniel Cotts"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I'll bite. > > a) Boxes and diamond. Gordian Knot technique. Lock the diamond in your > box > > and send it to your friend. He breaks the lock or cuts open the box. > > b) Poles and rope. The poles are touching. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Dusty Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553] > > > > > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world solutions > to > > > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or problems. > > > > > > As an example: > > > > > > Prep: > > > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and a > > > diamond. > > > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box. > > > > > > Goal: > > > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier. However > > > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How do you do > > > this? > > > > > > > > > Another example: > > > > > > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, and the > > > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far apart are > > > the poles? > > > > > > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40694&t=40553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
The first one is simple if you relate it to public key sharing in network security. Place the diamond in the box. Secure the box with your lock. Send it to your friend. So far, it's safe from the courier. When your friend receives the box, she secures the box with her lock and sends it back to you. Still safe. You remove your lock and send it back to her. Still safe. She removes her lock and retrieves the diamond. All of this is done without the use of relatively prime numbers. ;o) The second puzzle has already been answered using the details given --- 0'-32' > > -Original Message- > > From: Dusty Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553] > > > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world solutions to > > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or problems. > > > > As an example: > > > > Prep: > > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and a > > diamond. > > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box. > > > > Goal: > > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier. However > > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How do you do > > this? > > > > > > Another example: > > > > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, and the > > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far apart are > > the poles? > > > > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40681&t=40553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
solution for part A: Lock the box, send it to your friend. Send the key as a separate delivery. In essence there are two deliveries made. - Original Message - From: "Craig Columbus" To: Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 12:58 AM Subject: Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553] > Part A: I heard this one where the friend also has a key that will open > his lock, but not yours. Also, the condition is that no destructive > techniques are allowed, so breaking or cutting wasn't a possible solution. > > Part B: > He never states that the rope is attached to the top of the pole, just that > it's attached to the pole. So, the answer is that the poles are somewhere > between 0 and 32 feet apart. > > Craig > > At 11:33 PM 4/5/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >I'll bite. > >a) Boxes and diamond. Gordian Knot technique. Lock the diamond in your box > >and send it to your friend. He breaks the lock or cuts open the box. > >b) Poles and rope. The poles are touching. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Dusty Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553] > > > > > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world solutions to > > > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or problems. > > > > > > As an example: > > > > > > Prep: > > > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and a > > > diamond. > > > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box. > > > > > > Goal: > > > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier. However > > > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How do you do > > > this? > > > > > > > > > Another example: > > > > > > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, and the > > > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far apart are > > > the poles? > > > > > > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40678&t=40553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Puzzles -> WAS RE: My interview story [7:40553]
Part A: I heard this one where the friend also has a key that will open his lock, but not yours. Also, the condition is that no destructive techniques are allowed, so breaking or cutting wasn't a possible solution. Part B: He never states that the rope is attached to the top of the pole, just that it's attached to the pole. So, the answer is that the poles are somewhere between 0 and 32 feet apart. Craig At 11:33 PM 4/5/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I'll bite. >a) Boxes and diamond. Gordian Knot technique. Lock the diamond in your box >and send it to your friend. He breaks the lock or cuts open the box. >b) Poles and rope. The poles are touching. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dusty Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553] > > > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world solutions to > > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or problems. > > > > As an example: > > > > Prep: > > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and a > > diamond. > > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box. > > > > Goal: > > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier. However > > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How do you do > > this? > > > > > > Another example: > > > > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, and the > > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far apart are > > the poles? > > > > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40674&t=40553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Daniel, I think the first answer could be just lock the stone in the box, give the box and your key to the courier. Kent ""Daniel Cotts"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I'll bite. > a) Boxes and diamond. Gordian Knot technique. Lock the diamond in your box > and send it to your friend. He breaks the lock or cuts open the box. > b) Poles and rope. The poles are touching. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dusty Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553] > > > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world solutions to > > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or problems. > > > > As an example: > > > > Prep: > > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and a > > diamond. > > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box. > > > > Goal: > > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier. However > > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How do you do > > this? > > > > > > Another example: > > > > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, and the > > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far apart are > > the poles? > > > > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40669&t=40553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'll bite. a) Boxes and diamond. Gordian Knot technique. Lock the diamond in your box and send it to your friend. He breaks the lock or cuts open the box. b) Poles and rope. The poles are touching. > -Original Message- > From: Dusty Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:55 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: My interview story [7:40553] > The goal is to determine how you think. Most real world solutions to > problems can be applied to technological hurdles, or problems. > > As an example: > > Prep: > You have an empty box, a lock, a key for your lock, and a > diamond. > Your friend has an empty box, and a lock for his box. > > Goal: > You want to get the diamond to your friend via courier. However > the courier will steal anything that is not locked. How do you do > this? > > > Another example: > > If you have 2 20' poles, a 32' rope strung between them, and the > lowest point of the rope is 4' off of the ground, how far apart are > the poles? > > It gauges how one thinks and handles situations. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40668&t=40553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
