RE: Cisco BGP Exam [7:73516]
I agree with Dre I also got both books and Jeff Doyle's is so much easier to read and understand then Halabi's Koen Pinten Network Engineer CCNP CCDP MCSE MCSA MCDBA > -Original Message- > From: dre [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:55 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cisco BGP Exam [7:73516] > > ""juniper"" wrote in message ... > > Can anyone recommend a good book for the BGP exam > > I personally despise Halabi's "authortative, the BGP-bible" IRA > book. It is awful. It is the sole reason nobody understands BGP. > It's confusing, boring, and downright awful to read and understand > such simple concepts. > > I passed the Cisco BGP exam (took the beta), and I did not even > open Halabi or Stewart (I do like Stewart, but for this exam, his > information is not really on-topic). > > Normally, I'd say read the RFC's, but they are also not going to > help you on this exam. > > I used > a) the outline provided by Cisco > b) Jeff Doyle's TCP/IP Routing Volume II (first 318 pages) > > Jeff Doyle is the master of routing protocols...this misconception > that Volume II was not as good as Volume I reminds me of 14 > year old pimply-faced kids arguing about Star Wars vs. Empire > or Matrix 1 vs. Matrix: Reloaded. These are all good movies... > however, Star Wars: Episode I and II are more remniscient of > HalabiIMO. > > -dre > **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: > http://shop.groupstudy.com > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html ** This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you receive it in error: (i) you must not use, disclose, copy or retain it; (ii) please contact the sender immediately by reply email and then delete the emails. Views expressed in this email may not be those of the Airways Corporation of New Zealand Limited ** Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=73573&t=73516 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: Cisco BGP Exam [7:73516]
Hello, I did BGP beta and I found that Internet Routing Architectures does not cover everything required on the exam, especially if one does not have hands-on experience. This is the reason I suffered, despite passing the exam (to my surprise). You can also supplement with Cisco ISP Essentials (Cisco Press) as well as Cisco's website. And, of course, John Stewart's book as mentioned. Internet Routing Architectures was the main book, but I also found it difficult in some cases. Cisco ISP Essentials is very nice, and make sure you absorb it completely. What I can say is this: If you absorb completely "Internet Routing Architectures" and "Cisco ISP Essentials" and then make sure that you get right every question that that you are able to get right, you will pass the exam. I think there is no single best book for this exam. Good Luck Mwalie CCDP, CCNA Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=73578&t=73516 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: Cisco BGP Exam [7:73516]
juniper 8/5/03 8:32:50 AM >>> >Hi, >Can anyone recommend a good book for the BGP exam >Mark My two personal favorite BGP books are: Internet Routing Architectures, 2nd Edition, by Halabi BGP4: Interdomain Routing in the Internet, by Stewart If you have a subscription to CertificationZone, Howard has some wonderful BGP tutorials that I referred to often when studying for the CCIE written some time ago. [Disclaimer: I have done a minor amount of work for CZ.] Oh, I almost for the BGP Command Reference by Cisco Press. Excellent book, and well worth your time and money. HTH, John Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=73523&t=73516 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: Cisco BGP Exam [7:73516]
Avi Freedmans BGP presentations are a good source to read but I'd try to read Routing TCP/IP vol II first and then read the presentations to help strenghten your understanding of BGP. I don't believe Freedmans presentations are as detailed as the exam would like, but if I am wrong then please let me know and send a url where we can all go and review them. On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 09:14, Nakul Malik wrote: > I dont think i agree with you. I really liked Sam Halabi's OSPF Design Guide > and his BGP Case studies. I admit they can be a bit daunting the first time > around, but then they are not meant to be Exam guides.In fact, i really like > the writing style and find myself wishing there were more docs written in > the same style. I am not against authors who explain technical subjects by > giving anologies to football games and mountain climbing and the like, bu it > really starts to bug you when you are sitting in your office, up for 2 days > in a row trying to solve a complicated problem and you have to read about > how classes in C++ are like flour or some stupid anology refering to a > fishing trip. I myself prefer the direct and to the point approach, no > frills for me. > Another excellent resource for BGP, and well written are Avi Freedman's BGP > presentations. > Just my opinion though. > > -Nakul > > > ""juniper"" wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi, > > Can anyone recommend a good book for the BGP exam > > Mark > > **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: > > http://shop.groupstudy.com > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: > http://shop.groupstudy.com > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=73619&t=73516 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: Cisco BGP Exam [7:73516]
""juniper"" wrote in message ... > Can anyone recommend a good book for the BGP exam I personally despise Halabi's "authortative, the BGP-bible" IRA book. It is awful. It is the sole reason nobody understands BGP. It's confusing, boring, and downright awful to read and understand such simple concepts. I passed the Cisco BGP exam (took the beta), and I did not even open Halabi or Stewart (I do like Stewart, but for this exam, his information is not really on-topic). Normally, I'd say read the RFC's, but they are also not going to help you on this exam. I used a) the outline provided by Cisco b) Jeff Doyle's TCP/IP Routing Volume II (first 318 pages) Jeff Doyle is the master of routing protocols...this misconception that Volume II was not as good as Volume I reminds me of 14 year old pimply-faced kids arguing about Star Wars vs. Empire or Matrix 1 vs. Matrix: Reloaded. These are all good movies... however, Star Wars: Episode I and II are more remniscient of HalabiIMO. -dre Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=73570&t=73516 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: Cisco BGP Exam [7:73516]
I dont think i agree with you. I really liked Sam Halabi's OSPF Design Guide and his BGP Case studies. I admit they can be a bit daunting the first time around, but then they are not meant to be Exam guides.In fact, i really like the writing style and find myself wishing there were more docs written in the same style. I am not against authors who explain technical subjects by giving anologies to football games and mountain climbing and the like, bu it really starts to bug you when you are sitting in your office, up for 2 days in a row trying to solve a complicated problem and you have to read about how classes in C++ are like flour or some stupid anology refering to a fishing trip. I myself prefer the direct and to the point approach, no frills for me. Another excellent resource for BGP, and well written are Avi Freedman's BGP presentations. Just my opinion though. -Nakul ""juniper"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hi, > Can anyone recommend a good book for the BGP exam > Mark > **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: > http://shop.groupstudy.com > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=73617&t=73516 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: Cisco BGP Exam [7:73516]
Hmm...that's interesting. I found Halabit to be very easy to understand, but that was after reading Stewart. Stewart's book is incredibly easy to understand, especially considering how short it is. Quite concise, yet readable. I have Doyle Vol. II but I stopped studying for attempt #2 before I got to the BGP section. I should read through it as a refresher and to compare it to Halabi. But Dre? Despise?? :-) That's pretty harsh! However, I guess I can understand your point. BGP can be pretty easy to understand when it's explained correctly, and can be very difficult to understand when explained poorly. John ""Pintens, Koen"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I agree with Dre > I also got both books and Jeff Doyle's is so much easier to read and > understand then Halabi's > > Koen Pinten > Network Engineer > > CCNP CCDP MCSE MCSA MCDBA > > > -Original Message- > > From: dre [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:55 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Cisco BGP Exam [7:73516] > > > > ""juniper"" wrote in message ... > > > Can anyone recommend a good book for the BGP exam > > > > I personally despise Halabi's "authortative, the BGP-bible" IRA > > book. It is awful. It is the sole reason nobody understands BGP. > > It's confusing, boring, and downright awful to read and understand > > such simple concepts. > > > > I passed the Cisco BGP exam (took the beta), and I did not even > > open Halabi or Stewart (I do like Stewart, but for this exam, his > > information is not really on-topic). > > > > Normally, I'd say read the RFC's, but they are also not going to > > help you on this exam. > > > > I used > > a) the outline provided by Cisco > > b) Jeff Doyle's TCP/IP Routing Volume II (first 318 pages) > > > > Jeff Doyle is the master of routing protocols...this misconception > > that Volume II was not as good as Volume I reminds me of 14 > > year old pimply-faced kids arguing about Star Wars vs. Empire > > or Matrix 1 vs. Matrix: Reloaded. These are all good movies... > > however, Star Wars: Episode I and II are more remniscient of > > HalabiIMO. > > > > -dre > > **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: > > http://shop.groupstudy.com > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > ** > This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If > you receive it in error: (i) you must not use, disclose, copy or retain > it; (ii) please contact the sender immediately by reply email and then > delete the emails. Views expressed in this email may not be those of the > Airways Corporation of New Zealand Limited > ** > **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: > http://shop.groupstudy.com > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=73577&t=73516 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: Cisco BGP Exam [7:73516]
""Jose Linero Welcker"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Internet Routing Architechtures - Second Edition - Sam Halabi > > This is a complete BGP guide, and tat is enough to the BGP exam interesting. have not taken the exam yet, so I can't comment. But I strognly recommend Bill Parkhurst's "Cisco BGP 4 Command and Configuration Reference" for CCIE Lab prep and anything to do with Cisco BGP studies. It can't hurt. > > Regards, > > Jose > > > >From: "juniper" > >Reply-To: "juniper" > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Cisco BGP Exam [7:73516] > >Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:00:03 GMT > > > >Hi, > >Can anyone recommend a good book for the BGP exam > >Mark > >**Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: > >http://shop.groupstudy.com > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > _ > Charla con tus amigos en lmnea mediante MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.yupimsn.com/ > **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: > http://shop.groupstudy.com > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=73630&t=73516 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: Cisco BGP Exam [7:73516]
Here is what I think is the trick to understand Halabi: It is NOT for entry level people nor is it for people who use it as a study book for any exam. That is why the book is called "Internet Routing Architectures" not "BGP cram session book for the CCXX exams"..The word Architectures should mean something, right? I have found out that the book really makes sense after you work with BGP in your job on a day-to-day basis. Atleast, it did for me and now I have read it many times and still refer to it once in a while, when I try to help some customers with their BGP configs and issues. Initially, I found it hard to comprehend so I do feel other's pain :-( Yes, please do not be so harsh about any author. Where in the book does it say that it should be used a study guide for any exam, even the CCIE is NOT mentioned. So how can you be so harsh about it. It is indeed called the Bible for a reason. And same of his OSPF design guide. I have used Caslow, Stewart, Halabi, Doyle and Parkhurst and best of all Cisco's BGP case studies. They are all good books/materials and should be used accordingly. As I always tell people, BGP is NOT for the faint-hearted :-) And, yes, the BGP beta exam was one of the most difficult exams that I took but managed to get a 857. Peace. No flames please !! Just my 2 cents!! CN >From: "John Neiberger" >Reply-To: "John Neiberger" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Cisco BGP Exam [7:73516] >Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 01:59:34 GMT > >Hmm...that's interesting. I found Halabit to be very easy to understand, but >that was after reading Stewart. Stewart's book is incredibly easy to >understand, especially considering how short it is. Quite concise, yet >readable. > >I have Doyle Vol. II but I stopped studying for attempt #2 before I got to >the BGP section. I should read through it as a refresher and to compare it >to Halabi. > >But Dre? Despise?? :-) That's pretty harsh! However, I guess I can >understand your point. BGP can be pretty easy to understand when it's >explained correctly, and can be very difficult to understand when explained >poorly. > >John > >""Pintens, Koen"" wrote in message >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I agree with Dre > > I also got both books and Jeff Doyle's is so much easier to read and > > understand then Halabi's > > > > Koen Pinten > > Network Engineer > > > > CCNP CCDP MCSE MCSA MCDBA > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: dre [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:55 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Cisco BGP Exam [7:73516] > > > > > > ""juniper"" wrote in message ... > > > > Can anyone recommend a good book for the BGP exam > > > > > > I personally despise Halabi's "authortative, the BGP-bible" IRA > > > book. It is awful. It is the sole reason nobody understands BGP. > > > It's confusing, boring, and downright awful to read and understand > > > such simple concepts. > > > > > > I passed the Cisco BGP exam (took the beta), and I did not even > > > open Halabi or Stewart (I do like Stewart, but for this exam, his > > > information is not really on-topic). > > > > > > Normally, I'd say read the RFC's, but they are also not going to > > > help you on this exam. > > > > > > I used > > > a) the outline provided by Cisco > > > b) Jeff Doyle's TCP/IP Routing Volume II (first 318 pages) > > > > > > Jeff Doyle is the master of routing protocols...this misconception > > > that Volume II was not as good as Volume I reminds me of 14 > > > year old pimply-faced kids arguing about Star Wars vs. Empire > > > or Matrix 1 vs. Matrix: Reloaded. These are all good movies... > > > however, Star Wars: Episode I and II are more remniscient of > > > HalabiIMO. > > > > > > -dre > > > **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: > > > http://shop.groupstudy.com > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > > > > ** > > This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If > > you receive it in error: (i) you must not use, disclose, copy or retain > > it; (ii) please contact the sender immediately by reply email and then > > delete the emails. Views expressed in this email may not
Re: Cisco BGP Exam [7:73516]
Internet Routing Architechtures - Second Edition - Sam Halabi This is a complete BGP guide, and tat is enough to the BGP exam Regards, Jose >From: "juniper" >Reply-To: "juniper" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Cisco BGP Exam [7:73516] >Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:00:03 GMT > >Hi, >Can anyone recommend a good book for the BGP exam >Mark >**Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: >http://shop.groupstudy.com >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html _ Charla con tus amigos en lmnea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.yupimsn.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=73535&t=73516 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
