Re: Cisco career advice needed [7:60013]
Irfan --On 31 December 2002 09:23 + irfan siddiqui wrote: > Hi, > Does the CCIE qualification exam itself have any worth. I know that your > not a CCIE without giving the actual Lab part of the exam, but how does > the CCIE written exam scale on its own, career wise. Does it help > improve job prospects. The CCIE qualification exam on its own has very limited jobseeking value. However it can, if used wisely be used to demonstrate a continuing dedication to personal development. ie If you list try to list "CCIE (Written)" on your resume/CV then you will most likely be filed in the discard pile by many hiring managers. If instead you seperately state that you are actively working towards CCIE and give a realistic expected completion date it may get your foot in the door for more active consideration with some hirers. > What are the benefits of this exam on its own, or > is it totally useless without the LAB part. It qualifies you to take the lab exam, that is its purpose. It is almost pointless to take it if that isnt what you intended. > Say if i never appear for the LAB, for any reason, would the written exam > be any worth of mention, like say on my resume or as a credential. Only if you want to show yourself as someone who doesnt follow things through. If there is a good reason for not completing the lab then you could bring up the qualification exam in an interview, but I certainly wouldnt recommend putting it on your resume. > Thanks for all your advice in advance. > Irfan > Regards Peter Walker CISSP, CCNP, CCIP, CCDP, CSS1, CIPTSS, etc Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=60016&t=60013 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco career advice needed [7:60013]
> Does the CCIE qualification exam itself have any worth. Aside from making you eligible to register for the Lab, no. > I know that your not > a CCIE without giving the actual Lab part of the exam, but how does the CCIE > written exam scale on its own, career wise. Does it help improve job > prospects. If you're taking the CCIE written exam in order to make yourself more marketable, then you're taking it for the wrong reason. > Say if i never appear for the LAB, for any reason, would the written exam be > any worth of mention, like say on my resume or as a credential. In what manner would you mention this on your resume? Under a list of other certifications you've attained? Passing the CCIE written exam does not earn you a certification, so this would be inappropriate. Let's be brutally honest here: the reason people are tempted to put "CCIE Written" on their resume is so that their resume pops up whenever a headhunter or hiring manager does a search for the term "CCIE." Since passing the CCIE written exam is not an official indicator of any tangible talent for installing and programming Cisco routers and switches, listing "CCIE Written" on one's resume is tantamount to deceiving the headhunter (and yourself!). If you're going to put "CCIE Written" on your resume, you may as well also put a PhD in Computer Science from MIT - hey, if you're going to pull the wool over someone's eyes, why not go all the way? ;-) The CCIE certification exists in order to recognize those who have *proven* their expert-level skills. Putting "CCIE Written" on one's resume cheapens the certification and minimizes the inherent benefits of achieving it. Say it once, say it twice, say it a thousand times: passing the CCIE written exam is not a certification and should not be indicated on one's resume. (Again, sorry to be so dogmatic about this, but it's one of my hot buttons. Pancakes are another one, so let's not even go there.) BJ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=60015&t=60013 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco career advice needed [7:60013]
Where I *have* seen it helpful is in specific cases where a company was anticipating needing a CCIE-level applicant at a future date. So the following: CCIE Routing/Switching - Lab Scheduled 6/2003 Might be helpful. The CCIE written qualification alone hasn't helped anybody that I know of. Frank Jimenez, CCIE #5738 Systems Engineer Cisco Systems, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of irfan siddiqui Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 3:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco career advice needed [7:60013] Hi, Does the CCIE qualification exam itself have any worth. I know that your not a CCIE without giving the actual Lab part of the exam, but how does the CCIE written exam scale on its own, career wise. Does it help improve job prospects. What are the benefits of this exam on its own, or is it totally useless without the LAB part. Say if i never appear for the LAB, for any reason, would the written exam be any worth of mention, like say on my resume or as a credential. Thanks for all your advice in advance. Irfan _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=60023&t=60013 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco career advice needed [7:60013]
I'd be willing to bet mentioning this, in discussion or in an interview has some value. Bri - Original Message - From: "Peter Walker" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 2:39 AM Subject: Re: Cisco career advice needed [7:60013] > Irfan > > --On 31 December 2002 09:23 + irfan siddiqui wrote: > > > Hi, > > Does the CCIE qualification exam itself have any worth. I know that your > > not a CCIE without giving the actual Lab part of the exam, but how does > > the CCIE written exam scale on its own, career wise. Does it help > > improve job prospects. > > The CCIE qualification exam on its own has very limited jobseeking value. > However it can, if used wisely be used to demonstrate a continuing > dedication to personal development. > > ie > > If you list try to list "CCIE (Written)" on your resume/CV then you will > most likely be filed in the discard pile by many hiring managers. > > If instead you seperately state that you are actively working towards CCIE > and give a realistic expected completion date it may get your foot in the > door for more active consideration with some hirers. > > > What are the benefits of this exam on its own, or > > is it totally useless without the LAB part. > > It qualifies you to take the lab exam, that is its purpose. It is almost > pointless to take it if that isnt what you intended. > > > Say if i never appear for the LAB, for any reason, would the written exam > > be any worth of mention, like say on my resume or as a credential. > > Only if you want to show yourself as someone who doesnt follow things > through. If there is a good reason for not completing the lab then you > could bring up the qualification exam in an interview, but I certainly > wouldnt recommend putting it on your resume. > > > Thanks for all your advice in advance. > > Irfan > > > > Regards > > Peter Walker > CISSP, CCNP, CCIP, CCDP, CSS1, CIPTSS, etc Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=60029&t=60013 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco career advice needed [7:60013]
In the last place I worked, rumour has it that one of my colleagues was interviewed and thus obtained a UK visa on the basis of his CCIE, and this later turned out to be written only. HR departments / technical management aren't always as rigorous as you may think :-) If this is true then I think you could definitely say that it can be of benefit. rgds Marc Frank Jimenez wrote: > > Where I *have* seen it helpful is in specific cases where a company was > anticipating needing a CCIE-level applicant at a future date. > > So the following: > > CCIE Routing/Switching - Lab Scheduled 6/2003 > > Might be helpful. The CCIE written qualification alone hasn't helped > anybody that I know of. > > Frank Jimenez, CCIE #5738 > Systems Engineer > Cisco Systems, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > irfan siddiqui > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 3:23 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Cisco career advice needed [7:60013] > > Hi, > Does the CCIE qualification exam itself have any worth. I know that your > not > a CCIE without giving the actual Lab part of the exam, but how does the > CCIE > written exam scale on its own, career wise. Does it help improve job > prospects. What are the benefits of this exam on its own, or is it > totally > useless without the LAB part. > Say if i never appear for the LAB, for any reason, would the written > exam be > any worth of mention, like say on my resume or as a credential. Thanks > for all your advice in advance. Irfan > > _ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=60224&t=60013 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco career advice needed [7:60013]
lying on a visa app, lovely... bri On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Marc Thach Xuan Ky wrote: > In the last place I worked, rumour has it that one of my colleagues was > interviewed and thus obtained a UK visa on the basis of his CCIE, and > this later turned out to be written only. HR departments / technical > management aren't always as rigorous as you may think :-) > If this is true then I think you could definitely say that it can be of > benefit. > rgds > Marc > > Frank Jimenez wrote: > > > > Where I *have* seen it helpful is in specific cases where a company was > > anticipating needing a CCIE-level applicant at a future date. > > > > So the following: > > > > CCIE Routing/Switching - Lab Scheduled 6/2003 > > > > Might be helpful. The CCIE written qualification alone hasn't helped > > anybody that I know of. > > > > Frank Jimenez, CCIE #5738 > > Systems Engineer > > Cisco Systems, Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > > irfan siddiqui > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 3:23 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Cisco career advice needed [7:60013] > > > > Hi, > > Does the CCIE qualification exam itself have any worth. I know that your > > not > > a CCIE without giving the actual Lab part of the exam, but how does the > > CCIE > > written exam scale on its own, career wise. Does it help improve job > > prospects. What are the benefits of this exam on its own, or is it > > totally > > useless without the LAB part. > > Say if i never appear for the LAB, for any reason, would the written > > exam be > > any worth of mention, like say on my resume or as a credential. Thanks > > for all your advice in advance. Irfan > > > > _ > > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=60226&t=60013 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco career advice needed [7:60013]
""Brian"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > lying on a visa app, lovely... I am shocked and amazed to learn that people lie on their resumes, their job applications, their credit card applications, and their visa applications. I am even more shocked and amazed to learn that those who process any of this stuff never check the accuracy of any of the information provided. what has become of this world..??? > > bri > > > On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Marc Thach Xuan Ky wrote: > > > In the last place I worked, rumour has it that one of my colleagues was > > interviewed and thus obtained a UK visa on the basis of his CCIE, and > > this later turned out to be written only. HR departments / technical > > management aren't always as rigorous as you may think :-) > > If this is true then I think you could definitely say that it can be of > > benefit. > > rgds > > Marc > > > > Frank Jimenez wrote: > > > > > > Where I *have* seen it helpful is in specific cases where a company was > > > anticipating needing a CCIE-level applicant at a future date. > > > > > > So the following: > > > > > > CCIE Routing/Switching - Lab Scheduled 6/2003 > > > > > > Might be helpful. The CCIE written qualification alone hasn't helped > > > anybody that I know of. > > > > > > Frank Jimenez, CCIE #5738 > > > Systems Engineer > > > Cisco Systems, Inc. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > > > irfan siddiqui > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 3:23 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Cisco career advice needed [7:60013] > > > > > > Hi, > > > Does the CCIE qualification exam itself have any worth. I know that your > > > not > > > a CCIE without giving the actual Lab part of the exam, but how does the > > > CCIE > > > written exam scale on its own, career wise. Does it help improve job > > > prospects. What are the benefits of this exam on its own, or is it > > > totally > > > useless without the LAB part. > > > Say if i never appear for the LAB, for any reason, would the written > > > exam be > > > any worth of mention, like say on my resume or as a credential. Thanks > > > for all your advice in advance. Irfan > > > > > > _ > > > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=60234&t=60013 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
