Snapshot routing

2001-03-19 Thread tok cok

Guys,

I know that snapshot routing support RIP and IGRP but does EIGRP support 
snapshot routing?

I had configure EIGRP and snapshot.  But seems snapshot routing got no 
effect on EIGRP.  When the snapshot is in quiet status, eigrp continuous 
keeping the ISDN link up.

If snapshot does not works on EIGRP then is it only static route can be used 
to keep ISDN link quiet?

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snapshot routing

2000-10-06 Thread Hubert Pun

Can snapshot routing be done on dialer profile instead of the BRI
physical interface?


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Re: snapshot routing

2000-10-07 Thread John Dill

Yes.  And, in fact, I once discovered that with modem POTS lines, I had to use a 
dialer interface.  

If I just used an asynchronous interface, the routers would dump all the routes on 
disconnection.  I would not expect this to be the case with a BRI interface however.

>>> "Hubert Pun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/06/00 05:32PM >>>
Can snapshot routing be done on dialer profile instead of the BRI
physical interface?


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Snapshot Routing Question

2001-04-01 Thread Bradley J. Wilson

Page 192 of Caslow: there's a config there that shows the line "dialer map
snapshot 60 2002."  My question is, what is this "60" and where did it come
from?  The next page shows the output from "show snapshot," and it says "For
dialer address 60," but that doesn't really explain a whole lot.  I tried
entering the command in IOS - I typed in "dialer map snapshot ?" and it came
back with "N   protocol specific address."  Okay, great, so address "60."
Is this IPX or AppleTalk or what?
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Re: Snapshot Routing

2001-04-02 Thread Mr. Oletu Hosea Godswill, CCNA

Sorry, Snapshot routing is purely for Distant vector
routng protocols, so eigrp is out of it. Static routes
will solve your problem.

Thanks
Oletu H. G.

>Guys,
>
>I know that snapshot routing support RIP and IGRP
>but .does EIGRP 
>support 
>snapshot routing?

>I had configure EIGRP and snapshot.  But seems
>snapshot routing got no 
>effect on EIGRP.  When the snapshot is in quiet
>status, eigrp 
>continuous 
>keeping the ISDN link up.
>
>If snapshot does not works on EIGRP then is it only
>static route can be 
>used 
>to keep ISDN link quiet?
>
>Regards



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Re: Snapshot Routing

2001-04-02 Thread Vincent

Only work at distance vector routing protocol, such as RIP, IGRP, RIP for
IPX, etc.

For link state routing prootocol like OSPF, IS-IS, constant exchange hello
packet,
snapshot routing will not work in such environmnet.

For EIGRP, this particular routing protocol using hello protocol ecchange
with neighbor,
the ISDN link will keep up when hello packet are exchange with neighbor
router,
therefore, snapshot will not work in your scenario.

Or you may use passive-interface command with static route will be suitable
for your scenario, I guess

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> Sorry, Snapshot routing is purely for Distant vector
> routng protocols, so eigrp is out of it. Static routes
> will solve your problem.
>
> Thanks
> Oletu H. G.
>
> >Guys,
> >
> >I know that snapshot routing support RIP and IGRP
> >but .does EIGRP
> >support
> >snapshot routing?
>
> >I had configure EIGRP and snapshot.  But seems
> >snapshot routing got no
> >effect on EIGRP.  When the snapshot is in quiet
> >status, eigrp
> >continuous
> >keeping the ISDN link up.
> >
> >If snapshot does not works on EIGRP then is it only
> >static route can be
> >used
> >to keep ISDN link quiet?
> >
> >Regards
>
>
>
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EIGRP and snapshot routing?

2000-12-27 Thread Andrew Whitaker

According to the Netcerts BCRAN book, snapshot routing works best with RIP,
IGRP, RIP, RTMP, and RTP.  No mention of EIGRP is given.  Does anyone know
of any reason why EIGRP would NOT be a good candidate for snapshot routing?


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Re: Snapshot Routing Question

2001-04-01 Thread Vincent

60 is active time, for the rouer end to end to exchange routing update
between server and client.
2002 is quiet time, router freeze, until next active period.


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00cd01c0bac3$16b00f80$fd02f7a5@bwilson">news:00cd01c0bac3$16b00f80$fd02f7a5@bwilson...
> Page 192 of Caslow: there's a config there that shows the line "dialer map
> snapshot 60 2002."  My question is, what is this "60" and where did it
come
> from?  The next page shows the output from "show snapshot," and it says
"For
> dialer address 60," but that doesn't really explain a whole lot.  I tried
> entering the command in IOS - I typed in "dialer map snapshot ?" and it
came
> back with "N   protocol specific address."  Okay, great, so address "60."
> Is this IPX or AppleTalk or what?
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Re: Snapshot Routing Question

2001-04-01 Thread Bradley J. Wilson

According to Caslow, the active time is set on the server using the command
"snapshot server  dialer."  The configuration line I mentioned was
"dialer map snapshot 60 2002," which was taken from the client
configuration.  The "2002" is the dialer string - the phone number that the
client calls.

I've actually found the explanation on CCO (wow, who'da thought to look
there? ;-).  The "60" is a sequence number.  In some situations where you
would want to configure multiple dialer maps with snapshot routing, the
sequence number tells the router in which order to execute the dialer map
statements.

Anyone else have any concurring or dissenting opinions or experiences? :-)


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Subject: Re: Snapshot Routing Question


60 is active time, for the rouer end to end to exchange routing update
between server and client.
2002 is quiet time, router freeze, until next active period.


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00cd01c0bac3$16b00f80$fd02f7a5@bwilson">news:00cd01c0bac3$16b00f80$fd02f7a5@bwilson...
> Page 192 of Caslow: there's a config there that shows the line "dialer map
> snapshot 60 2002."  My question is, what is this "60" and where did it
come
> from?  The next page shows the output from "show snapshot," and it says
"For
> dialer address 60," but that doesn't really explain a whole lot.  I tried
> entering the command in IOS - I typed in "dialer map snapshot ?" and it
came
> back with "N   protocol specific address."  Okay, great, so address "60."
> Is this IPX or AppleTalk or what?
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snapshot routing [7:4644]

2001-05-15 Thread Anthony Russell

I am looking for some advice on where to go with a config I am working on.
This config is lab number 8 in the "All-in-one CCIE Lab study guide".

I am setting up snapshot routing between two routers that use ISDN BRIs to
connect.  One router is setup as the client using the

snapshot client 5 8 dialer

command and the other is the server using the 

snapshot server 5

command.  I have configured the dialer map snapshot command and the client
successfully dials and connects to the server and while they are connected,
RIP routing updates are exchanged.  While they are connected, the ip routing
table shows the routes learned via RIP and everything looks ok.  When the
routers enter the quiet period, the RIP routes only stay in the routing
table for about 3-4 minutes and then vanish.  

It is my understanding that when configured for snapshot, the routing table
should be frozen during the quient period (8 minutes).  Why are the RIP
routes vanishing from the table?

Also, the information I have on snapshot routing tells me that snapshot
routing doesn't work with ppp multilink.  However, when I went to the cisco
site for a snapshot routing config, their sample config uses the ppp
multilink command. Does anyone know for a fact that snapshot routing
will/will not work with ppp multilink? How about 2 B channels?  When I use
the dialer load threshold command to bring up the second B channel, the
snapshot config doesn't work.  Should it?

Tony Russell




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Snapshot Routing and Interesting traffic

2001-03-07 Thread Nigel Taylor

Hi All,
I was just making my way through a couple ISDN/DDR Snapshot =
routing scenarios and made a unlikely observation.

For reference purposes I was making use of my CZone =
privileges(disclaimer) in mocking up David wolsefer ISDN lab exercise =
and got the following results.  Before attempting this lab I worked =
through another BGP related lab. In saying so I moved right into this =
scenario without performing a write erase on the routers.  To my benefit =
one of the routers I used in this ISDN mock up was clean and not used in =
the previous lab.  =20

OK, so I get everything all configured baseline snapshot (just the ISDN =
circuit and 1 loopback) and it works great.  I progressed to follow the =
requirements of David's scenario which makes use of the Ethernet circuit =
and commands to support ISDN backup of the Ethernet line.  Here is where =
things get interesting  The ISDN line keep flapping up..down..up.. =
down. =20

The "debug ip packet",  "debug dialer packet" , and debug dialer events" =
revealed that the client-side of the snapshot circuit was trying to make =
a connection to 11.1.1.2 (eth0).  As mentioned before I was doing a BGP =
lab and the Snapshot server router was one of the routers used in that =
scenario.  Although there was no ip configurations for the address =
11.1.1.2, the bgp process on the snapshot server keep trying to make a =
tcp connection on the segment(11.1.1.2).  This caused the ISDN line to =
try and route packets to that address as defined in the running bgp =
process (neighbor 11.1.1.2 remote-as 1).=20

Once I removed the bgp process everything worked as it should.  My =
questions now go to the fact that I have an ospf process running that =
hasn't caused any problems at all.  I'm trying to understand what I =
experienced. =20

In knowing BGP uses protocol TCP port 179, OSPF IP port 89, and RIP UDP =
port 520.  Now I recognize that the "dialer-list" used  in the exercise =
is baseline(dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit), but does this make any =
sense at all. Why would this non-active bgp connection cause the ISDN =
line to flap...  There was no redistribution being performed so isn't =
this a good example of "ships in the night" routing? =20

Thoughts anyone.

TIA
Nigel





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Re: EIGRP and snapshot routing?

2000-12-27 Thread Roger Dellaca

cause it no work.  Darn neighbor relationships

>>> Andrew Whitaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/27 3:21 PM >>>
According to the Netcerts BCRAN book, snapshot routing works best with RIP,
IGRP, RIP, RTMP, and RTP.  No mention of EIGRP is given.  Does anyone know
of any reason why EIGRP would NOT be a good candidate for snapshot routing?


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Re: EIGRP and snapshot routing?

2000-12-27 Thread Hugo _


Because EIGRP only run when some change occur, it works like a link state 
protocol, but it also have some feature of distance vector protocol.

Regards

Hugo


>From: Andrew Whitaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: EIGRP and snapshot routing?
>Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:21:27 -0800
>
>According to the Netcerts BCRAN book, snapshot routing works best with RIP,
>IGRP, RIP, RTMP, and RTP.  No mention of EIGRP is given.  Does anyone know
>of any reason why EIGRP would NOT be a good candidate for snapshot routing?
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Re: EIGRP and snapshot routing?

2000-12-27 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>According to the Netcerts BCRAN book, snapshot routing works best with RIP,
>IGRP, RIP, RTMP, and RTP.  No mention of EIGRP is given.  Does anyone know
>of any reason why EIGRP would NOT be a good candidate for snapshot routing?
>
>

Think about the way all of the protocols above, except EIGRP, send 
updates and monitor whether their neighbors are up or down.

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Re: EIGRP and snapshot routing?

2000-12-27 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>Because EIGRP only run when some change occur, it works like a link state
>protocol, but it also have some feature of distance vector protocol.
>
>Regards
>
>Hugo

While some Cisco documentation might suggest the contrary, whether a 
routing protocol uses link state or distance vector has nothing to do 
with it doing periodic or change-only updates. It's simply a 
historical accident that change-only was introduced with link state.

The path determination algorithm has nothing to do with neighbor 
discovery and change processing.

>
>
>>From: Andrew Whitaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: EIGRP and snapshot routing?
>>Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:21:27 -0800
>>
>>According to the Netcerts BCRAN book, snapshot routing works best with RIP,
>>IGRP, RIP, RTMP, and RTP.  No mention of EIGRP is given.  Does anyone know
>  >of any reason why EIGRP would NOT be a good candidate for snapshot routing?

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Re: Snapshot Routing and Interesting traffic

2001-03-07 Thread Johnny Dedon

Nigel
Was the BGP router process still running.  Even if you delete the nieghbor
statements etc and you leave the BGP process running, the router will
require clear ip bgp * to remove all references.
Johnny Dedon
Senior Staff Consultant
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> Hi All,
>     I was just making my way through a couple ISDN/DDR Snapshot =
> routing scenarios and made a unlikely observation.
>
> For reference purposes I was making use of my CZone =
> privileges(disclaimer) in mocking up David wolsefer ISDN lab exercise =
> and got the following results.  Before attempting this lab I worked =
> through another BGP related lab. In saying so I moved right into this =
> scenario without performing a write erase on the routers.  To my benefit =
> one of the routers I used in this ISDN mock up was clean and not used in =
> the previous lab.  =20
>
> OK, so I get everything all configured baseline snapshot (just the ISDN =
> circuit and 1 loopback) and it works great.  I progressed to follow the =
> requirements of David's scenario which makes use of the Ethernet circuit =
> and commands to support ISDN backup of the Ethernet line.  Here is where =
> things get interesting  The ISDN line keep flapping up..down..up.. =
> down. =20
>
> The "debug ip packet",  "debug dialer packet" , and debug dialer events" =
> revealed that the client-side of the snapshot circuit was trying to make =
> a connection to 11.1.1.2 (eth0).  As mentioned before I was doing a BGP =
> lab and the Snapshot server router was one of the routers used in that =
> scenario.  Although there was no ip configurations for the address =
> 11.1.1.2, the bgp process on the snapshot server keep trying to make a =
> tcp connection on the segment(11.1.1.2).  This caused the ISDN line to =
> try and route packets to that address as defined in the running bgp =
> process (neighbor 11.1.1.2 remote-as 1).=20
>
> Once I removed the bgp process everything worked as it should.  My =
> questions now go to the fact that I have an ospf process running that =
> hasn't caused any problems at all.  I'm trying to understand what I =
> experienced. =20
>
> In knowing BGP uses protocol TCP port 179, OSPF IP port 89, and RIP UDP =
> port 520.  Now I recognize that the "dialer-list" used  in the exercise =
> is baseline(dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit), but does this make any =
> sense at all. Why would this non-active bgp connection cause the ISDN =
> line to flap...  There was no redistribution being performed so isn't =
> this a good example of "ships in the night" routing? =20
>
> Thoughts anyone.
>
> TIA
> Nigel
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Snapshot Routing and Interesting traffic

2001-03-07 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

I'll defer to David on this, since, in part, I don't have the exact 
lab in front of me.  But remember that BGP is there both to advertise 
your routes to other AS, and to accept routes from other AS.  Could 
your configuration have been trying to bring up a session to listen 
to the other AS, even if it didn't have anything to announce?  Also, 
remember that BGP does have a keepalive, although the keepalive often 
is disabled in practice because other mechanisms will detect failures 
faster.




>Hi All,
> I was just making my way through a couple ISDN/DDR Snapshot =
>routing scenarios and made a unlikely observation.
>
>For reference purposes I was making use of my CZone =
>privileges(disclaimer) in mocking up David wolsefer ISDN lab exercise =
>and got the following results.  Before attempting this lab I worked =
>through another BGP related lab. In saying so I moved right into this =
>scenario without performing a write erase on the routers.  To my benefit =
>one of the routers I used in this ISDN mock up was clean and not used in =
>the previous lab.  =20
>
>OK, so I get everything all configured baseline snapshot (just the ISDN =
>circuit and 1 loopback) and it works great.  I progressed to follow the =
>requirements of David's scenario which makes use of the Ethernet circuit =
>and commands to support ISDN backup of the Ethernet line.  Here is where =
>things get interesting  The ISDN line keep flapping up..down..up.. =
>down. =20
>
>The "debug ip packet",  "debug dialer packet" , and debug dialer events" =
>revealed that the client-side of the snapshot circuit was trying to make =
>a connection to 11.1.1.2 (eth0).  As mentioned before I was doing a BGP =
>lab and the Snapshot server router was one of the routers used in that =
>scenario.  Although there was no ip configurations for the address =
>11.1.1.2, the bgp process on the snapshot server keep trying to make a =
>tcp connection on the segment(11.1.1.2).  This caused the ISDN line to =
>try and route packets to that address as defined in the running bgp =
>process (neighbor 11.1.1.2 remote-as 1).=20
>
>Once I removed the bgp process everything worked as it should.  My =
>questions now go to the fact that I have an ospf process running that =
>hasn't caused any problems at all.  I'm trying to understand what I =
>experienced. =20
>
>In knowing BGP uses protocol TCP port 179, OSPF IP port 89, and RIP UDP =
>port 520.  Now I recognize that the "dialer-list" used  in the exercise =
>is baseline(dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit), but does this make any =
>sense at all. Why would this non-active bgp connection cause the ISDN =
>line to flap...  There was no redistribution being performed so isn't =
>this a good example of "ships in the night" routing? =20
>
>Thoughts anyone.
>
>TIA
>Nigel
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Snapshot Routing and Interesting traffic

2001-03-07 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

I'll defer to David on this, since, in part, I don't have the exact 
lab in front of me.  But remember that BGP is there both to advertise 
your routes to other AS, and to accept routes from other AS.  Could 
your configuration have been trying to bring up a session to listen 
to the other AS, even if it didn't have anything to announce?  Also, 
remember that BGP does have a keepalive, although the keepalive often 
is disabled in practice because other mechanisms will detect failures 
faster.




>Hi All,
> I was just making my way through a couple ISDN/DDR Snapshot =
>routing scenarios and made a unlikely observation.
>
>For reference purposes I was making use of my CZone =
>privileges(disclaimer) in mocking up David wolsefer ISDN lab exercise =
>and got the following results.  Before attempting this lab I worked =
>through another BGP related lab. In saying so I moved right into this =
>scenario without performing a write erase on the routers.  To my benefit =
>one of the routers I used in this ISDN mock up was clean and not used in =
>the previous lab.  =20
>
>OK, so I get everything all configured baseline snapshot (just the ISDN =
>circuit and 1 loopback) and it works great.  I progressed to follow the =
>requirements of David's scenario which makes use of the Ethernet circuit =
>and commands to support ISDN backup of the Ethernet line.  Here is where =
>things get interesting  The ISDN line keep flapping up..down..up.. =
>down. =20
>
>The "debug ip packet",  "debug dialer packet" , and debug dialer events" =
>revealed that the client-side of the snapshot circuit was trying to make =
>a connection to 11.1.1.2 (eth0).  As mentioned before I was doing a BGP =
>lab and the Snapshot server router was one of the routers used in that =
>scenario.  Although there was no ip configurations for the address =
>11.1.1.2, the bgp process on the snapshot server keep trying to make a =
>tcp connection on the segment(11.1.1.2).  This caused the ISDN line to =
>try and route packets to that address as defined in the running bgp =
>process (neighbor 11.1.1.2 remote-as 1).=20
>
>Once I removed the bgp process everything worked as it should.  My =
>questions now go to the fact that I have an ospf process running that =
>hasn't caused any problems at all.  I'm trying to understand what I =
>experienced. =20
>
>In knowing BGP uses protocol TCP port 179, OSPF IP port 89, and RIP UDP =
>port 520.  Now I recognize that the "dialer-list" used  in the exercise =
>is baseline(dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit), but does this make any =
>sense at all. Why would this non-active bgp connection cause the ISDN =
>line to flap...  There was no redistribution being performed so isn't =
>this a good example of "ships in the night" routing? =20
>
>Thoughts anyone.
>
>TIA
>Nigel
>
>
>
>
>
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Snapshot routing Not working? [7:37207]

2002-03-04 Thread Cisco Nuts

Hello,
Have 2 routers, Remote and Central configed for Snapshot routing over a BRI 
line using Dialer profiles and Rip.
Remote is the client and Central the server. When the active timer expires, 
I thought that the routing tables would stay 'frozen' meaning that the Rip 
learned routes would still show up in the routing table of either router. 
But infact, it disappears!! Is this how snapshot routing supposed to work? I 
basically took the example from CCO. Please advise.
Thank you.

Here is the config on router Remote, the client and also the sequence of 
events before the routes disappear!!
Remote#sh ru int b0/0
interface BRI0/0
no ip address
no ip directed-broadcast
encapsulation ppp
no ip route-cache
no ip mroute-cache
dialer pool-member 1
isdn switch-type basic-ni
isdn spid1 055531 5553000
isdn spid2 055521 5552000
end

Remote#sh ru int d 1
interface Dialer1
ip unnumbered Loopback0
no ip directed-broadcast
encapsulation ppp
dialer remote-name TS-Central
dialer idle-timeout 140
dialer string 5551000
dialer load-threshold 2 either
dialer snapshot 1
dialer pool 1
dialer-group 1
snapshot client 5 8 dialer
ppp authentication chap
ppp multilink
end

Remote#sh ip route
 17.0.0.0/32 is subnetted, 1 subnets
C   17.17.17.17 is directly connected, Loopback17
R16.0.0.0/8 [120/1] via 1.1.1.1, Dialer1
 1.0.0.0/32 is subnetted, 1 subnets

Remote#sh snap
Current state: active, remaining/exchange time: 1/5 minutes

Remote#
1d12h: SNAPSHOT: Dialer1[1]: moving to client post active->quiet queue

Remote#sh snap
Current state: client post active->quiet, remaining time: 2 minutes

Remote#
1d12h: %ISDN-6-DISCONNECT: Interface BRI0/0:1  disconnected from 5551000 
5551000, call lasted 4
25 seconds
1d12h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI0/0:1, changed state to down
Remote#
1d12h: %DIALER-6-UNBIND: Interface BRI0/0:1 unbound from profile Dialer1
Remote#
1d12h: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface BRI0/0:1, changed 
state to down

Remote#
1d12h: %ISDN-6-DISCONNECT: Interface BRI0/0:2  disconnected from 5552000 , 
call lasted 483 seco
nds
1d12h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI0/0:2, changed state to down
Remote#sh ip route
1d12h: %DIALER-6-UNBIND: Interface BRI0/0:2 unbound from profile Dialer1

  Remote#
1d12h: SNAPSHOT: Dialer1[1]: moving to quiet queue

Remote#sh snap
Current state: quiet, remaining: 7 minutes

Remote#sh ip route

 17.0.0.0/32 is subnetted, 1 subnets
C   17.17.17.17 is directly connected, Loopback17
 2.0.0.0/32 is subnetted, 1 subnets
C   2.2.2.2 is directly connected, Loopback0
Remote#

What happened to the Rip learned route??
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Snapshot routing for Eigrp? [7:56102]

2002-10-22 Thread Cisco Nuts
Hello,
Can snapshot routing be used for Eigrp? I don't see any documentation on CCO 
regarding this. They refer to primarily RIP, IGRP and IPX RIP. What can be 
used for Eigrp across a DDR link?

Also, I am trying to find out for ISIS? CCO has the ospf-demand circuit for 
Ospf but nothing for ISIS?

Can someone advise?

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RE: Snapshot routing Not working? [7:37207]

2002-03-04 Thread Nick S.

where's ur "dialer map snapshot" ??

Nick


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SnapShot Routing and Dialer Interfaces [7:20771]

2001-09-22 Thread Richard Botham

All,
I have read that snapshot routing is not supported on dialer interfaces -
only on legacy ddr (ie: BRI interfaces ).
If this is correct why are the snapshot commands available under the dialer
interface
It gets even more confusing whan you download case studies from Cisco's web
site that clearly show snapshot commands under Dialer interfaces and also
Dialer Map commands under Dialer interfaces.
If I'm missing something , let me know.

Cheers
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RE: Snapshot routing for Eigrp? [7:56102]

2002-10-23 Thread Cisco Nuts
That's the exact reason why I asked on Eigrp and Isis for link-state? :-)
Do you have any ideas??






>From: "Scott Davis" 
>Reply-To: "Scott Davis" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Snapshot routing for Eigrp? [7:56102]
>Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 01:25:59 GMT
>
>From CCO, Snapshot Routing : FAQ
>
>Snapshot allows the use of all "distance vector" routing protocols over DDR
>lines. They include:
>
>RIP and IGRP for IP
>RTMP for Appletalk
>RIP and SAP for IPX
>RTP for Vines
>
>-Original Message-
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>Cisco Nuts
>Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:20 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Snapshot routing for Eigrp? [7:56102]
>
>
>Hello,
>Can snapshot routing be used for Eigrp? I don't see any documentation on 
>CCO
>regarding this. They refer to primarily RIP, IGRP and IPX RIP. What can be
>used for Eigrp across a DDR link?
>
>Also, I am trying to find out for ISIS? CCO has the ospf-demand circuit for
>Ospf but nothing for ISIS?
>
>Can someone advise?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Sincerely.
>
>
>
>
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RE: Snapshot routing for Eigrp? [7:56102]

2002-10-23 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Cisco Nuts wrote:
> 
> That's the exact reason why I asked on Eigrp and Isis for
> link-state? :-)
> Do you have any ideas??

What problem are you trying to solve? I'm being dense perhaps, but I think
you will get a better answer if you explain the problem rather than a
potential solution. I know a consultant whose mantra is "tell me what, not
how!" ;-)

Snapshot routing is a solution for reducing the number of routing updates
that are sent. It works for protocols like RIP, IGRP, and RTMP that send
their entire routing tables (after split horizon) frequently, like every 30
seconds for RIP, every 90 seconds for IGRP, and every 10 seconds for RTMP.

Neither EIGRP nor IS-IS do this. Although EIGRP uses vectors with distance
information, its updates are nonperiodic, partial, and bounded. Nonperiodic
means that updates are sent only when a metric changes rather than at
regular intervals. Partial means that updates include only routes that have
changed, not every entry in the routing table. Bounded means that updates
are sent only to affected routers. These behaviors mean that EIGRP uses very
little bandwidth. However, it does send incessant Hellos (every 5 seconds)
and that is probably what concerns you.

I don't know IS-IS, but EIGRP learns about its neighbors with Hellos. If you
want to reduce traffic and keep a DDR line from coming up just to send
Hellos, you could make the DDR link a passive interface. Under the EIGRP
commands, use the "passive-interface dialer0" command or whatever is
appropriate for your config. Then use a static route to make sure the link
does come up when you need to send to the other side. You could still use
EIGRP on either side but make the DDR link passive. That's one way to skin
the cat anyway! ;-)

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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "Scott Davis" 
> >Reply-To: "Scott Davis" 
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: Snapshot routing for Eigrp? [7:56102]
> >Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 01:25:59 GMT
> >
> >From CCO, Snapshot Routing : FAQ
> >
> >Snapshot allows the use of all "distance vector" routing
> protocols over DDR
> >lines. They include:
> >
> >RIP and IGRP for IP
> >RTMP for Appletalk
> >RIP and SAP for IPX
> >RTP for Vines
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:nobody@;groupstudy.com]On
> Behalf Of
> >Cisco Nuts
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:20 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Snapshot routing for Eigrp? [7:56102]
> >
> >
> >Hello,
> >Can snapshot routing be used for Eigrp? I don't see any
> documentation on
> >CCO
> >regarding this. They refer to primarily RIP, IGRP and IPX RIP.
> What can be
> >used for Eigrp across a DDR link?
> >
> >Also, I am trying to find out for ISIS? CCO has the
> ospf-demand circuit for
> >Ospf but nothing for ISIS?
> >
> >Can someone advise?
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >Sincerely.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: Snapshot routing for Eigrp? [7:56102]

2002-10-22 Thread Symon Thurlow
I don't think you can use Link State routing protocols over snapshot
because they rely on hello messages periodically (not 100% on this but
pretty sure).

I got it to work in a DDR EIGRP environment using floating statics,
quite straight forward.

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Hello,
Can snapshot routing be used for Eigrp? I don't see any documentation on
CCO 
regarding this. They refer to primarily RIP, IGRP and IPX RIP. What can
be 
used for Eigrp across a DDR link?

Also, I am trying to find out for ISIS? CCO has the ospf-demand circuit
for 
Ospf but nothing for ISIS?

Can someone advise?

Thank you.

Sincerely.




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RE: Snapshot routing for Eigrp? [7:56102]

2002-10-22 Thread Symon Thurlow
Woops, That second sentence was misleading, I didn't mean I got snapshot
with EIGRP to work, I used floating static's instead of Snapshot.

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I don't think you can use Link State routing protocols over snapshot
because they rely on hello messages periodically (not 100% on this but
pretty sure).

I got it to work in a DDR EIGRP environment using floating statics,
quite straight forward.

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Sent: 22 October 2002 21:20
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Subject: Snapshot routing for Eigrp? [7:56102]


Hello,
Can snapshot routing be used for Eigrp? I don't see any documentation on
CCO 
regarding this. They refer to primarily RIP, IGRP and IPX RIP. What can
be 
used for Eigrp across a DDR link?

Also, I am trying to find out for ISIS? CCO has the ospf-demand circuit
for 
Ospf but nothing for ISIS?

Can someone advise?

Thank you.

Sincerely.




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RE: Snapshot routing for Eigrp? [7:56102]

2002-10-22 Thread John Neiberger
A minor nitpick here:  EIGRP is not a link state protocol but it does
use hello messages to establish and keep track of neighbors.  Hello
messages used by a routing protocol will complicate your DDR situation,
but they are not the defining characteristic of link state protocols.

John

>>> "Symon Thurlow"  10/22/02 3:05:08 PM >>>
I don't think you can use Link State routing protocols over snapshot
because they rely on hello messages periodically (not 100% on this but
pretty sure).

I got it to work in a DDR EIGRP environment using floating statics,
quite straight forward.

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Sent: 22 October 2002 21:20
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Subject: Snapshot routing for Eigrp? [7:56102]


Hello,
Can snapshot routing be used for Eigrp? I don't see any documentation
on
CCO 
regarding this. They refer to primarily RIP, IGRP and IPX RIP. What
can
be 
used for Eigrp across a DDR link?

Also, I am trying to find out for ISIS? CCO has the ospf-demand
circuit
for 
Ospf but nothing for ISIS?

Can someone advise?

Thank you.

Sincerely.




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RE: Snapshot routing for Eigrp? [7:56102]

2002-10-22 Thread Scott Davis
>From CCO, Snapshot Routing : FAQ

Snapshot allows the use of all "distance vector" routing protocols over DDR
lines. They include:

RIP and IGRP for IP
RTMP for Appletalk
RIP and SAP for IPX
RTP for Vines

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Hello,
Can snapshot routing be used for Eigrp? I don't see any documentation on CCO
regarding this. They refer to primarily RIP, IGRP and IPX RIP. What can be
used for Eigrp across a DDR link?

Also, I am trying to find out for ISIS? CCO has the ospf-demand circuit for
Ospf but nothing for ISIS?

Can someone advise?

Thank you.

Sincerely.




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