Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
Having worked too many years in the financial sector, I can say with assurance that far too many of these types come to you with the solution, and all they want is for you to do it. Far too few of them understand the idea of presenting a problem, and asking those whom they perceive as their subordinates to provide a solution. One hope that one can establish rapport, and work with someone who has ears as well as a mouth. But more often than not you end up just saying "yes sir" and proposing whatever idiot solution the customer tells you he wants. ""Vajira Wijesinghe"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > sorry > whole project is on NDA signed. > that's why so many restrictions.. > least i can say is its on financial sector. > > > "Roberts, Larry" wrote: > > > Wow, that makes be feel a little better, although I am still baffled buy > the > > sheer number T-3's required for that. I'm curious though what type of > > business is this? Can you at least throw us a bone... > > Thanks > > > > Larry > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Vajira Wijesinghe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 3:12 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944] > > > > Hi Group, > > > > Thank you very much for your valuable comments, arguments and suggestions > > made on the above subject. It really helped me to reveal what is hiding at > > the customer premises. > > > > In fact we had to bid for re-structuring the client's existing network > > equipment. The client continually insisted that they are having is > > individual T1's. Further, we couldn't get an opportunity to inspect the > site > > and even the client couldn't reveal the type of current routers used. > > bit tuff job. > > > > I had to forward some of the emails received from you'all to the client to > > convince them thay should be having T3's. Unfortuately the network was > > maintained by some third party and client was not too sure. However after > > some time, client confirmed that they are having T3'sinstead of > > T1's, with some apologies.. > > > > In fact, this is first time I came across a requirement of 188 T1's to > > connect. That's why I check with the group to see whether somebody has done > > it before..:)) > > > > So thanks again roberts, craig, brian, chuck, howard, peter, mike, phillip > > and nrf for the valuable input you have given. > > > > Take care. > > - (on postoffice) > > > > The information contained in this email is confidential and is meant to be > > read only by the person to whom it is addressed.Please visit > > http://www.millenniumit.com/legal/email.htm to read the entire > > confidentiality clause. > > > > - > - (on postoffice) > > The information contained in this email is confidential and is meant to be > read only by the person to whom it is addressed.Please visit > http://www.millenniumit.com/legal/email.htm to read the entire > confidentiality clause. > > - Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48220&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
>Inlinw > > >""Roberts, Larry"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> Well, I'm going to speculate for this company. >> >> Now why do they want to stay with Cisco? Mostly support I would imagine. >If >> you have a completely Cisco shop, you are sometimes >> Willing to put up with extra cost/less functionality to stay one vendor. >> Then your employees only have 1 product to learn to configure. We don't >know >> the skill/staffing level of this place, but I imagine that is the main >> driving point with staying Cisco > >I'm not saying that there aren't good reasons to go with Cisco over somebody >else. > >I'm just saying that you should know what those reasons are. Always >choosing Cisco as a knee-jerk reaction to solve any problem is not a good >way to go about building your network. OTOH, Chuck does like hammers, and that's the usual way of getting a knee jerk (well, patellar reflex). And Chuck -- I do also have a couple of different reflex hammers -- my earlier list referred to my shop, not my medical shelf. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48209&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
Inlinw ""Roberts, Larry"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Well, I'm going to speculate for this company. > > Now why do they want to stay with Cisco? Mostly support I would imagine. If > you have a completely Cisco shop, you are sometimes > Willing to put up with extra cost/less functionality to stay one vendor. > Then your employees only have 1 product to learn to configure. We don't know > the skill/staffing level of this place, but I imagine that is the main > driving point with staying Cisco I'm not saying that there aren't good reasons to go with Cisco over somebody else. I'm just saying that you should know what those reasons are. Always choosing Cisco as a knee-jerk reaction to solve any problem is not a good way to go about building your network. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48207&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
Sometimes you have to ask yourself (unfortunately, your top management rarely does) if a certain client's business is worth it. I don't necessarily mean the hassle factor in implementing, but if they are not forthcoming on information, and are too secretive, you may be doomed to have a dissatisfied customer. Perhaps this story, presumably from a different industry, might help you with them. In the early 1960's, the CIA was building its headquarters, under the general management of the government-wide construction management agency. Obviously, at some stage of the construction, the heating and air conditioning had to be designed, and the subcontractor asked the necessary question, "how many people will be in the building ( to know how much body heat would load the air conditioners)? CIA: "We can't tell you." Contractor: *sigh* Installed on best estimate. Heating OK, A/C didn't work. CIA: "We won't pay you until you fix it." Contractor: "We'll put thermostats in every office so we can fine tune." That made it worse, because people constantly adjusted them and the system couldn't stabilize. The contractor then put all the thermostats into locked boxes, had a technician adjust them and lock them, and things worked briefly. Unfortunately, no one had thought of certain customer skills. There is, in CIA Junior Officer Training, a course called "Locks and Flaps." The significance of this was that if an office didn't have an occupant who knew how to pick locks, someone just down the hall did. Every thermostat went crazy. At this point, the contractor sued. After explaining why they couldn't properly size the system because the CIA wouldn't tell them the load, the judged asked the CIA "is this true?" When he heard the sheepish admission "yes," he slammed down the gavel and told the CIA "pay them. Case closed." Anyway, I can believe a financial industry client does have this much bandwidth, for reasons of experience. The same principle holds as if they were T1s, however: get the carrier/telco to multiplex them into higher-speed aggregates that you can feed to a router, multiplexer, or switch. Even if they have 188 DS-3's, this still should groom into some number of OC-48's or OC-192's. (slight plug) I've discussed this at length in my "WAN Survival Guide" (Wiley). One major consideration will be the line utilization. Sometimes, clients such as this want the low delay of very high speed lines, but don't actually put that much data on them. In those cases, you can get away with a high-speed router interface but not overload it with forwarding. Measurements are essential before you do this. You will also want to have direct engineering access to the carrier(s) they use, to discuss grooming and redundancy strategy, and how the carriers will support physical diversity. Another thing that worries me is that you describe this as a hub and spoke. With this much data, don't they have at least one hot standby location? If they, for example, don't have at least two geographically dispersed sites on a SONET ring or a more modern equivalent, they are insane...although you may already have concluded that. Even at the individual sites, there should be physically diverse local loops. Given the availability of metro Ethernet and 10G Ethernet, this isn't an overwhelmingly difficult thing to do, or you might just do drop-and-repeat WDM. The data centers, of course, would have to be cross-connected to stay synchronized; that's why I say drop-and-repeat rather than add-and-drop. >sorry >whole project is on NDA signed. >that's why so many restrictions.. >least i can say is its on financial sector. > > >"Roberts, Larry" wrote: > >> Wow, that makes be feel a little better, although I am still baffled buy >the >> sheer number T-3's required for that. I'm curious though what type of >> business is this? Can you at least throw us a bone... >> Thanks >> >> Larry >> >> >> -Original Message- > > From: Vajira Wijesinghe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 3:12 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944] > > >> Hi Group, >> >> Thank you very much for your valuable comments, arguments and suggestions >> made on the above subject. It really helped me to reveal what is hiding at >> the customer premises. >> >> In fact we had to bid for re-structuring the client's existing network >> equipment. The client continually insisted that they are having is >> individual T1's. Further, we cou
Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
sorry whole project is on NDA signed. that's why so many restrictions.. least i can say is its on financial sector. "Roberts, Larry" wrote: > Wow, that makes be feel a little better, although I am still baffled buy the > sheer number T-3's required for that. I'm curious though what type of > business is this? Can you at least throw us a bone... > Thanks > > Larry > > > -Original Message- > From: Vajira Wijesinghe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 3:12 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944] > > Hi Group, > > Thank you very much for your valuable comments, arguments and suggestions > made on the above subject. It really helped me to reveal what is hiding at > the customer premises. > > In fact we had to bid for re-structuring the client's existing network > equipment. The client continually insisted that they are having is > individual T1's. Further, we couldn't get an opportunity to inspect the site > and even the client couldn't reveal the type of current routers used. > bit tuff job. > > I had to forward some of the emails received from you'all to the client to > convince them thay should be having T3's. Unfortuately the network was > maintained by some third party and client was not too sure. However after > some time, client confirmed that they are having T3'sinstead of > T1's, with some apologies.. > > In fact, this is first time I came across a requirement of 188 T1's to > connect. That's why I check with the group to see whether somebody has done > it before..:)) > > So thanks again roberts, craig, brian, chuck, howard, peter, mike, phillip > and nrf for the valuable input you have given. > > Take care. > - (on postoffice) > > The information contained in this email is confidential and is meant to be > read only by the person to whom it is addressed.Please visit > http://www.millenniumit.com/legal/email.htm to read the entire > confidentiality clause. > > - - (on postoffice) The information contained in this email is confidential and is meant to be read only by the person to whom it is addressed.Please visit http://www.millenniumit.com/legal/email.htm to read the entire confidentiality clause. - Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48097&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
Wow, that makes be feel a little better, although I am still baffled buy the sheer number T-3's required for that. I'm curious though what type of business is this? Can you at least throw us a bone... Thanks Larry -Original Message- From: Vajira Wijesinghe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 3:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944] Hi Group, Thank you very much for your valuable comments, arguments and suggestions made on the above subject. It really helped me to reveal what is hiding at the customer premises. In fact we had to bid for re-structuring the client's existing network equipment. The client continually insisted that they are having is individual T1's. Further, we couldn't get an opportunity to inspect the site and even the client couldn't reveal the type of current routers used. bit tuff job. I had to forward some of the emails received from you'all to the client to convince them thay should be having T3's. Unfortuately the network was maintained by some third party and client was not too sure. However after some time, client confirmed that they are having T3'sinstead of T1's, with some apologies.. In fact, this is first time I came across a requirement of 188 T1's to connect. That's why I check with the group to see whether somebody has done it before..:)) So thanks again roberts, craig, brian, chuck, howard, peter, mike, phillip and nrf for the valuable input you have given. Take care. - (on postoffice) The information contained in this email is confidential and is meant to be read only by the person to whom it is addressed.Please visit http://www.millenniumit.com/legal/email.htm to read the entire confidentiality clause. - Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48093&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
Hi Group, Thank you very much for your valuable comments, arguments and suggestions made on the above subject. It really helped me to reveal what is hiding at the customer premises. In fact we had to bid for re-structuring the client's existing network equipment. The client continually insisted that they are having is individual T1's. Further, we couldn't get an opportunity to inspect the site and even the client couldn't reveal the type of current routers used. bit tuff job. I had to forward some of the emails received from you'all to the client to convince them thay should be having T3's. Unfortuately the network was maintained by some third party and client was not too sure. However after some time, client confirmed that they are having T3'sinstead of T1's, with some apologies.. In fact, this is first time I came across a requirement of 188 T1's to connect. That's why I check with the group to see whether somebody has done it before..:)) So thanks again roberts, craig, brian, chuck, howard, peter, mike, phillip and nrf for the valuable input you have given. Take care. - (on postoffice) The information contained in this email is confidential and is meant to be read only by the person to whom it is addressed.Please visit http://www.millenniumit.com/legal/email.htm to read the entire confidentiality clause. - Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48081&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
On Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 02:44:43PM +, Vajira Wijesinghe wrote: Hi Group, I have a client who needs 188 T1 (all 1.544Mb serial lines) terminations to be done on the central site. Network is hub and spoke fashion. Pls advise the suitable Cisco router/routers on the central site, for this purpose. We use Cisco GSR's with 6xCT3 (blizzard) cards with great success. Have the telco mux all those DS1 into Channelized T3s for you. That'll be a lot cheaper than muxing them yourself at the core site. --phil Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48059&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
I would advise your client to have the telco mux the T1s into Channelized DS3s. If for some reason that isn't possible do it yourself with a cisco ONS 15454 or the new 15600. Once you have Channelized ds3s your in better shape. You may be able to get away with a 7500 series full of CT3 cards, but more than likely you'll want to get a ESR 10,000 due to router packet pet second performance issues. Those can do 6 CT3s per slot, so around 1000 t1s on the box and work quite well I think. --- Mike Bernico [EMAIL PROTECTED] Illinois Century Network http://www.illinois.net (217) 557-6555 > -Original Message- > From: Chuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 12:00 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944] > > > must be nice to have so much money. these all data lines? why > in the world > would they not use channelized DS3 at the center? hell of a LOT > cheaper Your telco account manager bying a new boat > this summer? > > > density will be a problem. 7206's with the PA-MC-8T1 cards - > that will give > you 64xT1 per box. you do the math. > > HTH > > Chuck > > > > > > > > ""Vajira Wijesinghe"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi Group, > > > > I have a client who needs 188 T1 (all 1.544Mb serial lines) > terminations > > to be done on the central site. > > Network is hub and spoke fashion. > > Pls advise the suitable Cisco router/routers on the central > site, for > > this purpose. > > > > Thanks. > > - (on postoffice) > > > > The information contained in this email is confidential and > is meant to be > > read only by the person to whom it is addressed.Please visit > > http://www.millenniumit.com/legal/email.htm to read the entire > > confidentiality clause. > > > > - Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=47991&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
Has your customer heard of channelized DS-3? At 02:44 PM 7/2/2002 +, you wrote: >Hi Group, > >I have a client who needs 188 T1 (all 1.544Mb serial lines) terminations >to be done on the central site. >Network is hub and spoke fashion. >Pls advise the suitable Cisco router/routers on the central site, for >this purpose. > >Thanks. >- (on postoffice) > >The information contained in this email is confidential and is meant to be >read only by the person to whom it is addressed.Please visit >http://www.millenniumit.com/legal/email.htm to read the entire >confidentiality clause. > >- Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=47992&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
I couldn't imagine someone purchasing that many seperate lines from a carrier. If you have 188 T-1s coming into the customer premise I believe the piece of equipment you are looking for is called a multiplexer. If you are saying they need @ 300M bandwidth I would have to say your best bet would be to purchase 2 OC-3 circuits. In that case I reccomend the GSR12000 series routers. (We just built out a superhub of a huge VPN using 2 of those things to terminate the OCs and those things are working like a champ. We are planning to upgrade to OC-12 in the near future so using anything else was kindof out of the picture for us except for a Juniper and who wants one of those things in their data center -just kidding) If the 12000 is way too pricey, and you would never need to go to that large of a circuit a 7500 should serve your purpose by using ATM OC-3 cards on the front and FastEs on the back. Heck why don't you just go down to your local MicroCenter and pick up one of those 12008s with a couple of GigE cards in it, and call up one of our sales people and say you want GigE IDE to your site. We are very soon planning to offer Ethernet to the CPE. Cool idea I think. >>>Brian Why can't we just go back to being UUNET? >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944] >Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:52:57 GMT > > >Hi Group, > > > >I have a client who needs 188 T1 (all 1.544Mb serial lines) terminations > >to be done on the central site. > >Network is hub and spoke fashion. > >Pls advise the suitable Cisco router/routers on the central site, for > >this purpose. > > >I'm really puzzled what problem they are trying to solve. Certainly, >the carrier providing the local loop has these DS1's multiplexed onto >faster internal faciliies (e.g., 28 per DS-3, 84 or so on an OC-3, >168 or so on an OC-12). > >I've had a situation where I had numbers approaching these, and >indeed a fair number were not conventional data but POTS, >videoconferencing, bulk crypto, etc. The answer was to put a fully >redundant Stratacom switch in front of the routers, PBX, etc., and >have (in my case) two redundant OC-3's coming into the switch. > >Since there are now CBR cards for some routers, the switch might no >longer be necessary. The question still comes up is whether the 188 >DS-1s truly need separate interfaces at the hub, and why. > >This sort of port density is going to eat you alive if it's a real >requirement. If I had to do it, though, I'd certainly try for a >hierarchy of routers -- 7500's or better taking high speed trunks, >and connecting via Fast Ethernet to 3600's or such with lots of T1 >interfaces. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48039&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
>Hi Group, > >I have a client who needs 188 T1 (all 1.544Mb serial lines) terminations >to be done on the central site. >Network is hub and spoke fashion. >Pls advise the suitable Cisco router/routers on the central site, for >this purpose. I'm really puzzled what problem they are trying to solve. Certainly, the carrier providing the local loop has these DS1's multiplexed onto faster internal faciliies (e.g., 28 per DS-3, 84 or so on an OC-3, 168 or so on an OC-12). I've had a situation where I had numbers approaching these, and indeed a fair number were not conventional data but POTS, videoconferencing, bulk crypto, etc. The answer was to put a fully redundant Stratacom switch in front of the routers, PBX, etc., and have (in my case) two redundant OC-3's coming into the switch. Since there are now CBR cards for some routers, the switch might no longer be necessary. The question still comes up is whether the 188 DS-1s truly need separate interfaces at the hub, and why. This sort of port density is going to eat you alive if it's a real requirement. If I had to do it, though, I'd certainly try for a hierarchy of routers -- 7500's or better taking high speed trunks, and connecting via Fast Ethernet to 3600's or such with lots of T1 interfaces. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48033&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
Tis why I suggested a channelized or muxed solution. All those loop charges every month, no friggin thanx. Bri - Original Message - From: "Chuck" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:00 AM Subject: Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944] > must be nice to have so much money. these all data lines? why in the world > would they not use channelized DS3 at the center? hell of a LOT > cheaper Your telco account manager bying a new boat this summer? > > > density will be a problem. 7206's with the PA-MC-8T1 cards - that will give > you 64xT1 per box. you do the math. > > HTH > > Chuck > > > > > > > > ""Vajira Wijesinghe"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi Group, > > > > I have a client who needs 188 T1 (all 1.544Mb serial lines) terminations > > to be done on the central site. > > Network is hub and spoke fashion. > > Pls advise the suitable Cisco router/routers on the central site, for > > this purpose. > > > > Thanks. > > - (on postoffice) > > > > The information contained in this email is confidential and is meant to be > > read only by the person to whom it is addressed.Please visit > > http://www.millenniumit.com/legal/email.htm to read the entire > > confidentiality clause. > > > > - Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48020&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
OK...I've GOT to hear the story behind this. Why on earth would someone implement 188 T1 connections instead of multiple DS3 / HSSI ports, a couple OC3s or one OC12? At 02:44 PM 7/2/2002 +, you wrote: >Hi Group, > >I have a client who needs 188 T1 (all 1.544Mb serial lines) terminations >to be done on the central site. >Network is hub and spoke fashion. >Pls advise the suitable Cisco router/routers on the central site, for >this purpose. > >Thanks. >- (on postoffice) > >The information contained in this email is confidential and is meant to be >read only by the person to whom it is addressed.Please visit >http://www.millenniumit.com/legal/email.htm to read the entire >confidentiality clause. > >- Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48001&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
Well, I'm going to speculate for this company. Now why do they want to stay with Cisco? Mostly support I would imagine. If you have a completely Cisco shop, you are sometimes Willing to put up with extra cost/less functionality to stay one vendor. Then your employees only have 1 product to learn to configure. We don't know the skill/staffing level of this place, but I imagine that is the main driving point with staying Cisco If I was doing it, I would look at an OC circuit. When your talking about that many T's, the cost would have to be less and think of the reliability factor. I mean your still talking a bunch of DS-3's for 188T's ( 7 if my math is correct ). A single OC-12 would handle this pretty easily with plenty of room to spare... Just my $.02 though... Thanks Larry -Original Message- From: nrf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 1:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944] My question is - why does it have to be Cisco? If you want edge density, Cisco doesn't have the best solution. Try a Juniper/Unisphere ERX1440. Oh whoops - I forgot, I'm not allowed to mention the evil 'J' on this NG ""Chuck"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > ""Chuck"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > must be nice to have so much money. these all data lines? why in the world > > would they not use channelized DS3 at the center? hell of a LOT > > cheaper Your telco account manager bying a new boat this > > summer? > > > > > > density will be a problem. 7206's with the PA-MC-8T1 cards - that > > will > give > > you 64xT1 per box. you do the math. > > CL: because obviously I can't :-> make that 48 T1's per box I would > suggest a 7509 or so, but then you run into issues with too much on > one box > and all the additinal overhead cost to provision those suckers. > > > > > HTH > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ""Vajira Wijesinghe"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > I have a client who needs 188 T1 (all 1.544Mb serial lines) terminations > > > to be done on the central site. > > > Network is hub and spoke fashion. > > > Pls advise the suitable Cisco router/routers on the central site, > > > for this purpose. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > - (on postoffice) > > > > > > The information contained in this email is confidential and is > > > meant to > be > > > read only by the person to whom it is addressed.Please visit > > > http://www.millenniumit.com/legal/email.htm to read the entire > > > confidentiality clause. > > > > > > - Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=47994&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
hey, if they can afford that many T1's, instead of going to DS3 or frame DS3 ( with all the failover protection that could be built in ) then they sure can afford to pay for Cisco's lack of port density. :-> ""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > My question is - why does it have to be Cisco? If you want edge density, > Cisco doesn't have the best solution. Try a Juniper/Unisphere ERX1440. > > Oh whoops - I forgot, I'm not allowed to mention the evil 'J' on this > NG > > > > ""Chuck"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > ""Chuck"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > must be nice to have so much money. these all data lines? why in the > world > > > would they not use channelized DS3 at the center? hell of a LOT > > > cheaper Your telco account manager bying a new boat this summer? > > > > > > > > > density will be a problem. 7206's with the PA-MC-8T1 cards - that will > > give > > > you 64xT1 per box. you do the math. > > > > CL: because obviously I can't :-> make that 48 T1's per box I would > > suggest a 7509 or so, but then you run into issues with too much on one > box > > and all the additinal overhead cost to provision those suckers. > > > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ""Vajira Wijesinghe"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > > > I have a client who needs 188 T1 (all 1.544Mb serial lines) > terminations > > > > to be done on the central site. > > > > Network is hub and spoke fashion. > > > > Pls advise the suitable Cisco router/routers on the central site, for > > > > this purpose. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > - (on postoffice) > > > > > > > > The information contained in this email is confidential and is meant > to > > be > > > > read only by the person to whom it is addressed.Please visit > > > > http://www.millenniumit.com/legal/email.htm to read the entire > > > > confidentiality clause. > > > > > > > > - Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=47970&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
the only reason I lead with Cisco is that I'm just a Cisco jock. When your only tool is a hammer, all your problems look like nails. Howard - don't start ;-> Chuck ""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > My question is - why does it have to be Cisco? If you want edge density, > Cisco doesn't have the best solution. Try a Juniper/Unisphere ERX1440. > > Oh whoops - I forgot, I'm not allowed to mention the evil 'J' on this > NG > > > > ""Chuck"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > ""Chuck"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > must be nice to have so much money. these all data lines? why in the > world > > > would they not use channelized DS3 at the center? hell of a LOT > > > cheaper Your telco account manager bying a new boat this summer? > > > > > > > > > density will be a problem. 7206's with the PA-MC-8T1 cards - that will > > give > > > you 64xT1 per box. you do the math. > > > > CL: because obviously I can't :-> make that 48 T1's per box I would > > suggest a 7509 or so, but then you run into issues with too much on one > box > > and all the additinal overhead cost to provision those suckers. > > > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ""Vajira Wijesinghe"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > > > I have a client who needs 188 T1 (all 1.544Mb serial lines) > terminations > > > > to be done on the central site. > > > > Network is hub and spoke fashion. > > > > Pls advise the suitable Cisco router/routers on the central site, for > > > > this purpose. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > - (on postoffice) > > > > > > > > The information contained in this email is confidential and is meant > to > > be > > > > read only by the person to whom it is addressed.Please visit > > > > http://www.millenniumit.com/legal/email.htm to read the entire > > > > confidentiality clause. > > > > > > > > - Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=47968&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
My question is - why does it have to be Cisco? If you want edge density, Cisco doesn't have the best solution. Try a Juniper/Unisphere ERX1440. Oh whoops - I forgot, I'm not allowed to mention the evil 'J' on this NG ""Chuck"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > ""Chuck"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > must be nice to have so much money. these all data lines? why in the world > > would they not use channelized DS3 at the center? hell of a LOT > > cheaper Your telco account manager bying a new boat this summer? > > > > > > density will be a problem. 7206's with the PA-MC-8T1 cards - that will > give > > you 64xT1 per box. you do the math. > > CL: because obviously I can't :-> make that 48 T1's per box I would > suggest a 7509 or so, but then you run into issues with too much on one box > and all the additinal overhead cost to provision those suckers. > > > > > HTH > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ""Vajira Wijesinghe"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > I have a client who needs 188 T1 (all 1.544Mb serial lines) terminations > > > to be done on the central site. > > > Network is hub and spoke fashion. > > > Pls advise the suitable Cisco router/routers on the central site, for > > > this purpose. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > - (on postoffice) > > > > > > The information contained in this email is confidential and is meant to > be > > > read only by the person to whom it is addressed.Please visit > > > http://www.millenniumit.com/legal/email.htm to read the entire > > > confidentiality clause. > > > > > > - Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=47962&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
""Chuck"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > must be nice to have so much money. these all data lines? why in the world > would they not use channelized DS3 at the center? hell of a LOT > cheaper Your telco account manager bying a new boat this summer? > > > density will be a problem. 7206's with the PA-MC-8T1 cards - that will give > you 64xT1 per box. you do the math. CL: because obviously I can't :-> make that 48 T1's per box I would suggest a 7509 or so, but then you run into issues with too much on one box and all the additinal overhead cost to provision those suckers. > > HTH > > Chuck > > > > > > > > ""Vajira Wijesinghe"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi Group, > > > > I have a client who needs 188 T1 (all 1.544Mb serial lines) terminations > > to be done on the central site. > > Network is hub and spoke fashion. > > Pls advise the suitable Cisco router/routers on the central site, for > > this purpose. > > > > Thanks. > > - (on postoffice) > > > > The information contained in this email is confidential and is meant to be > > read only by the person to whom it is addressed.Please visit > > http://www.millenniumit.com/legal/email.htm to read the entire > > confidentiality clause. > > > > - Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=47958&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
must be nice to have so much money. these all data lines? why in the world would they not use channelized DS3 at the center? hell of a LOT cheaper Your telco account manager bying a new boat this summer? density will be a problem. 7206's with the PA-MC-8T1 cards - that will give you 64xT1 per box. you do the math. HTH Chuck ""Vajira Wijesinghe"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi Group, > > I have a client who needs 188 T1 (all 1.544Mb serial lines) terminations > to be done on the central site. > Network is hub and spoke fashion. > Pls advise the suitable Cisco router/routers on the central site, for > this purpose. > > Thanks. > - (on postoffice) > > The information contained in this email is confidential and is meant to be > read only by the person to whom it is addressed.Please visit > http://www.millenniumit.com/legal/email.htm to read the entire > confidentiality clause. > > - Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=47956&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
multiple Individual T1 termination --urgent [7:47944]
Hi Group, I have a client who needs 188 T1 (all 1.544Mb serial lines) terminations to be done on the central site. Network is hub and spoke fashion. Pls advise the suitable Cisco router/routers on the central site, for this purpose. Thanks. - (on postoffice) The information contained in this email is confidential and is meant to be read only by the person to whom it is addressed.Please visit http://www.millenniumit.com/legal/email.htm to read the entire confidentiality clause. - Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=47944&t=47944 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
