Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
That's for damn sure.
adam lee wrote in message
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Here in the Bay Area you might be unemployed for a long time no matter
what
cert you have.
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Steven A. Ridder wrote in message
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Well in the good old days of the economy, I made more than that even
before
becoming a CCNA. I would never settle for 50k, even in this econ.,
If you're just a CCNA and you won't settle for 50k now, well then you
might
be out of work for some time - a very very long time.
especially as a CCIE. Plus, a CCIE IMO should already have exp., and
lots
of it. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of becoming a CCIE - cisco
certified internet EXPERT!
--
RFC 1149 Compliant.
Sean Knox wrote in message
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A CCNA with little or no experience? Hardly. He's lucky to even land a
job
right now. I think this intern program is aimed at people new to the
field.
-Original Message-
From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]
A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company
to
work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for
your
training.
--
RFC 1149 Compliant.
Sean Knox wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE
intern
program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which
is
not
cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I
vaguely
remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work
as
a
subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a
CCIE
is
worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for
those
with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this
program),
it
works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program
more
in
detail.
- Sean
-Original Message-
From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]
Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of
the
dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course..
Brian
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote:
And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we
unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-)
Can you clarify this??
From: Jason Lee
Reply-To: Jason Lee
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500
Hi all,
My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim
california
we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our
very
intense
cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA
(cisco
expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have
information
session going on every other friday, so if this sounds
interesting
to
you,
or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me
a
call.
Jason Lee
IT specialist
714-783-1083
www.ICTP.com
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Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
Well, I agree. But the only thing I can do is try to remain optimistic. I relocated to the Bay area just prior to 9/11, the market wasn't great to begin with but just got worse...*hopefully* with no more major catastrophes, consumer confidence and spending will grow... As far as certs go, I am holding off getting some certs until I get the required experience to back it up. I am gauging it as I go. It takes more discipline this way but will be more rewarding in the long run and I will be stronger for it I believe. - Original Message - From: adam lee To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 10:58 PM Subject: RE: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Here in the Bay Area you might be unemployed for a long time no matter what cert you have. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nrf Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 3:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Steven A. Ridder wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Well in the good old days of the economy, I made more than that even before becoming a CCNA. I would never settle for 50k, even in this econ., If you're just a CCNA and you won't settle for 50k now, well then you might be out of work for some time - a very very long time. especially as a CCIE. Plus, a CCIE IMO should already have exp., and lots of it. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of becoming a CCIE - cisco certified internet EXPERT! -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A CCNA with little or no experience? Hardly. He's lucky to even land a job right now. I think this intern program is aimed at people new to the field. -Original Message- From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE. [7:36091] A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36413t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
I'm more than a CCNA. I was saying that back when I was a CCNA, I wouldn't
have settled for less than 50K. But you did bring up the good point that in
this economy a CCNA wouldn't get a job at 50K. I guess that it could be
true.
--
RFC 1149 Compliant.
nrf wrote in message
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Steven A. Ridder wrote in message
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Well in the good old days of the economy, I made more than that even
before
becoming a CCNA. I would never settle for 50k, even in this econ.,
If you're just a CCNA and you won't settle for 50k now, well then you
might
be out of work for some time - a very very long time.
especially as a CCIE. Plus, a CCIE IMO should already have exp., and
lots
of it. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of becoming a CCIE - cisco
certified internet EXPERT!
--
RFC 1149 Compliant.
Sean Knox wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
A CCNA with little or no experience? Hardly. He's lucky to even land a
job
right now. I think this intern program is aimed at people new to the
field.
-Original Message-
From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]
A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company
to
work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for
your
training.
--
RFC 1149 Compliant.
Sean Knox wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE
intern
program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which
is
not
cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I
vaguely
remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work
as
a
subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a
CCIE
is
worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for
those
with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this
program),
it
works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program
more
in
detail.
- Sean
-Original Message-
From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]
Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of
the
dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course..
Brian
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote:
And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we
unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-)
Can you clarify this??
From: Jason Lee
Reply-To: Jason Lee
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500
Hi all,
My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim
california
we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our
very
intense
cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA
(cisco
expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have
information
session going on every other friday, so if this sounds
interesting
to
you,
or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me
a
call.
Jason Lee
IT specialist
714-783-1083
www.ICTP.com
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Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
I can remember in the old days when experience was more important than certs
and having
certs was a plus.
Ko
Steven A. Ridder wrote:
I'm more than a CCNA. I was saying that back when I was a CCNA, I wouldn't
have settled for less than 50K. But you did bring up the good point that
in
this economy a CCNA wouldn't get a job at 50K. I guess that it could be
true.
--
RFC 1149 Compliant.
nrf wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Steven A. Ridder wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Well in the good old days of the economy, I made more than that even
before
becoming a CCNA. I would never settle for 50k, even in this econ.,
If you're just a CCNA and you won't settle for 50k now, well then you
might
be out of work for some time - a very very long time.
especially as a CCIE. Plus, a CCIE IMO should already have exp., and
lots
of it. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of becoming a CCIE - cisco
certified internet EXPERT!
--
RFC 1149 Compliant.
Sean Knox wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
A CCNA with little or no experience? Hardly. He's lucky to even land
a
job
right now. I think this intern program is aimed at people new to the
field.
-Original Message-
From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]
A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your
company
to
work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for
your
training.
--
RFC 1149 Compliant.
Sean Knox wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE
intern
program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which
is
not
cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I
vaguely
remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work
as
a
subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a
CCIE
is
worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for
those
with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this
program),
it
works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program
more
in
detail.
- Sean
-Original Message-
From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]
Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of
the
dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course..
Brian
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote:
And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we
unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-)
Can you clarify this??
From: Jason Lee
Reply-To: Jason Lee
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500
Hi all,
My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in
anaheim
california
we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our
very
intense
cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA
(cisco
expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have
information
session going on every other friday, so if this sounds
interesting
to
you,
or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give
me
a
call.
Jason Lee
IT specialist
714-783-1083
www.ICTP.com
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RE: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
I think the experience thing is the way to go. The market will get better sooner or later. I read something yesterday that stated the BA will lag behind the rest of the country in recovering from the recession. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marc Maxwell Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Well, I agree. But the only thing I can do is try to remain optimistic. I relocated to the Bay area just prior to 9/11, the market wasn't great to begin with but just got worse...*hopefully* with no more major catastrophes, consumer confidence and spending will grow... As far as certs go, I am holding off getting some certs until I get the required experience to back it up. I am gauging it as I go. It takes more discipline this way but will be more rewarding in the long run and I will be stronger for it I believe. - Original Message - From: adam lee To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 10:58 PM Subject: RE: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Here in the Bay Area you might be unemployed for a long time no matter what cert you have. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nrf Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 3:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Steven A. Ridder wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Well in the good old days of the economy, I made more than that even before becoming a CCNA. I would never settle for 50k, even in this econ., If you're just a CCNA and you won't settle for 50k now, well then you might be out of work for some time - a very very long time. especially as a CCIE. Plus, a CCIE IMO should already have exp., and lots of it. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of becoming a CCIE - cisco certified internet EXPERT! -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A CCNA with little or no experience? Hardly. He's lucky to even land a job right now. I think this intern program is aimed at people new to the field. -Original Message- From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE. [7:36091] A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/re
re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
I think that's coming back to being more true again. A cert in a certain product is not what the better IT managers look for, systems in general are what they want. The proverbial they are looking for people that can do everything from network, Unix, NT, sniffers, and mainframes, etc. to give the higher paying jobs. Moral of the story Diversify. - Original Message - From: ko haag To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] I can remember in the old days when experience was more important than certs and having certs was a plus. Ko Steven A. Ridder wrote: I'm more than a CCNA. I was saying that back when I was a CCNA, I wouldn't have settled for less than 50K. But you did bring up the good point that in this economy a CCNA wouldn't get a job at 50K. I guess that it could be true. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. nrf wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Steven A. Ridder wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Well in the good old days of the economy, I made more than that even before becoming a CCNA. I would never settle for 50k, even in this econ., If you're just a CCNA and you won't settle for 50k now, well then you might be out of work for some time - a very very long time. especially as a CCIE. Plus, a CCIE IMO should already have exp., and lots of it. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of becoming a CCIE - cisco certified internet EXPERT! -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A CCNA with little or no experience? Hardly. He's lucky to even land a job right now. I think this intern program is aimed at people new to the field. -Original Message- From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com
Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
Maybe in 1999. Not anymore. Steven A. Ridder wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36349t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
Steven A. Ridder wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Well in the good old days of the economy, I made more than that even before becoming a CCNA. I would never settle for 50k, even in this econ., If you're just a CCNA and you won't settle for 50k now, well then you might be out of work for some time - a very very long time. especially as a CCIE. Plus, a CCIE IMO should already have exp., and lots of it. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of becoming a CCIE - cisco certified internet EXPERT! -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A CCNA with little or no experience? Hardly. He's lucky to even land a job right now. I think this intern program is aimed at people new to the field. -Original Message- From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE. [7:36091] A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36350t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
Here in the Bay Area you might be unemployed for a long time no matter what cert you have. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nrf Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 3:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Steven A. Ridder wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Well in the good old days of the economy, I made more than that even before becoming a CCNA. I would never settle for 50k, even in this econ., If you're just a CCNA and you won't settle for 50k now, well then you might be out of work for some time - a very very long time. especially as a CCIE. Plus, a CCIE IMO should already have exp., and lots of it. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of becoming a CCIE - cisco certified internet EXPERT! -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A CCNA with little or no experience? Hardly. He's lucky to even land a job right now. I think this intern program is aimed at people new to the field. -Original Message- From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE. [7:36091] A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36359t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I personally can't stand programs that promote nothing more than meaningless paper certifications with no real-world value. But you'll be surprised how many people actually take out $10K + loans and buy into this rat race. So on one hand, the IT community has given its blessing towards certifications. On the other hand, we have investors that are just waiting for the next Certified Training Education Center to fund because the revenue is much better than their shares at Wall Street. Since its a free country, my own conclusion echoes Darwin's theory...Survival of the Fittest. Elmer - Original Message - From: MadMan To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:53 PM Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] The idiots never stop. Why waste your time and effort on a wanker special like Mr. Lee advertises. For that kind of money you can buy your own lab and pay for the lab exam several times and even have money left over for headhunters or even moving expenses. May ICTP truly go fast into bankruptcy! On 21 Feb 2002 13:40:22 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Lee) wrote: Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36333t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
That's cool of you to give that tip, Larry. How about giving such tips for
all members of this group for different areas of the country??
From: Larry Letterman
Reply-To: Larry Letterman
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:19:58 -0500
there are some positions at Bank one in Illinois and ohio..
if your interested..
Larry Letterman
Cisco Systems
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Marc Maxwell
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]
ONe would hope that would be factored in. The high cost of living here,
still doesn't automatically raise salaries I am afraid. The bootcamps
eventually lower everyone's salary since they are churning out armies of
'qualified' people, that look somewhat the same on paper to many
recruiters.
At the moment there seem to be NO jobs for networking in the SF Bay area.
I
have 5+ years experience, consulting exp, network design, security, etc.
I
am currently teaching a Cisco class as well. Although I have made a lot
more when the economy was better, I would LOVE to interview for a 50k job
at
the moment!
Desperately yours,
Marc Maxwell
CCNA/MCSE/A+
From: Steven A. Ridder
Reply-To: Steven A. Ridder
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:37:34 -0500
In MA we have a high cost of living, so maybe that explains it.
Larry Letterman wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
I would have to assume that your ccna candidates
are paid well then..Most places in the midwest
pay ccnp people about 60K or so...as far as training
I have not been seeing many people in the last few
classes I have attended.
Larry Letterman
Cisco Systems
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Steven A. Ridder
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 1:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]
Well in the good old days of the economy, I made more than that even
before
becoming a CCNA. I would never settle for 50k, even in this econ.,
especially as a CCIE. Plus, a CCIE IMO should already have exp., and
lots
of it. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of becoming a CCIE - cisco
certified internet EXPERT!
--
RFC 1149 Compliant.
Sean Knox wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
A CCNA with little or no experience? Hardly. He's lucky to even land
a
job
right now. I think this intern program is aimed at people new to the
field.
-Original Message-
From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE. [7:36091]
A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your
company
to
work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for
your
training.
--
RFC 1149 Compliant.
Sean Knox wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE
intern
program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which
is
not
cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I
vaguely
remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work
as
a
subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a
CCIE
is
worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but
for
those
with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this
program),
it
works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program
more
in
detail.
- Sean
-Original Message-
From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]
Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of
the
dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course..
Brian
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote:
And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will
we
unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-)
Can you clarify this??
From: Jason Lee
Reply-To: Jason Lee
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500
Hi all,
My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in
anaheim
california
we are currently looking for few candidates to go throug
Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
The idiots never stop. Why waste your time and effort on a wanker special like Mr. Lee advertises. For that kind of money you can buy your own lab and pay for the lab exam several times and even have money left over for headhunters or even moving expenses. May ICTP truly go fast into bankruptcy! On 21 Feb 2002 13:40:22 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Lee) wrote: Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36298t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They list their certs and one of them was the CCIE written exam. Since when did that exam ever become a cert? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] The idiots never stop. Why waste your time and effort on a wanker special like Mr. Lee advertises. For that kind of money you can buy your own lab and pay for the lab exam several times and even have money left over for headhunters or even moving expenses. May ICTP truly go fast into bankruptcy! On 21 Feb 2002 13:40:22 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Lee) wrote: Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36303t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36095t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36096t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36101t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36102t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
A CCNA with little or no experience? Hardly. He's lucky to even land a job right now. I think this intern program is aimed at people new to the field. -Original Message- From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36103t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well in the good old days of the economy, I made more than that even before becoming a CCNA. I would never settle for 50k, even in this econ., especially as a CCIE. Plus, a CCIE IMO should already have exp., and lots of it. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of becoming a CCIE - cisco certified internet EXPERT! -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A CCNA with little or no experience? Hardly. He's lucky to even land a job right now. I think this intern program is aimed at people new to the field. -Original Message- From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36104t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ccna makes 50? uh maybe with a little experience Here in atlanta cna means squat Steven A. Ridder 02/21/02 03:50PM A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Confidentiality Disclaimer This email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential and /or proprietary information in the possession of WellStar Health System, Inc. (WellStar) and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom addressed. This email may contain information that is held to be privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized access, dissemination, distribution or copying of any information from this email is strictly prohibited, and may subject you to criminal and/or civil liability. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and then delete this email and its attachments from your computer. Thank you. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36108t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's right. A CCNA could potentially make more than $50K (with skills though) Here is what I don't understand: Jason states that his company is looking(note) for people while Sean mentions that you do have to actually sign up(note) for their program which he adds is not cheap?? So basically, looks like people will first have to shell out this huge dough out of their pocket to get an intership thru this company. From: Steven A. Ridder Reply-To: Steven A. Ridder To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:50:16 -0500 A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will weunfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-)Can you clarify this?? From: Jason LeeReply-To: Jason LeeTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500Hi all,My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheimcaliforniawe are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intensecisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (ciscoexpert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you,or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call.Jason LeeIT specialist 714-783-1083www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36110t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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pay for an internship? sounds like I am in the wrong business all together... hehe Cisco Nuts 02/21/02 04:54PM That's right. A CCNA could potentially make more than $50K (with skills though) Here is what I don't understand: Jason states that his company is looking(note) for people while Sean mentions that you do have to actually sign up(note) for their program which he adds is not cheap?? So basically, looks like people will first have to shell out this huge dough out of their pocket to get an intership thru this company. From: Steven A. Ridder Reply-To: Steven A. Ridder To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:50:16 -0500 A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will weunfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-)Can you clarify this?? From: Jason LeeReply-To: Jason LeeTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500Hi all,My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheimcaliforniawe are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intensecisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (ciscoexpert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you,or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call.Jason LeeIT specialist 714-783-1083www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. Confidentiality Disclaimer This email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential and /or proprietary information in the possession of WellStar Health System, Inc. (WellStar) and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom addressed. This email may contain information that is held to be privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized access, dissemination, distribution or copying of any information from this email is strictly prohibited, and may subject you to criminal and/or civil liability. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and then delete this email and its attachments from your computer. Thank you. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36112t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I suspect the below is not as true as it used to be.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Steven A. Ridder wrote: A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36113t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I would be curious to know what type of contractual obligation is involved here. I would be willing to look at *something*, as long as it wasn't too binding (yeah right). And I *haven't* seen companies pay for training, at least not this (the good kind, that advances your career). Many if not most companies make it clear that they want you to stay whereever you are at. Marc From: Cisco Nuts Reply-To: Cisco Nuts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:54:41 -0500 That's right. A CCNA could potentially make more than $50K (with skills though) Here is what I don't understand: Jason states that his company is looking(note) for people while Sean mentions that you do have to actually sign up(note) for their program which he adds is not cheap?? So basically, looks like people will first have to shell out this huge dough out of their pocket to get an intership thru this company. From: Steven A. Ridder Reply-To: Steven A. Ridder To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:50:16 -0500 A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will weunfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-)Can you clarify this?? From: Jason LeeReply-To: Jason LeeTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500Hi all,My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheimcaliforniawe are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intensecisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (ciscoexpert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you,or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call.Jason LeeIT specialist 714-783-1083www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36119t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I would have to assume that your ccna candidates are paid well then..Most places in the midwest pay ccnp people about 60K or so...as far as training I have not been seeing many people in the last few classes I have attended. Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven A. Ridder Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 1:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Well in the good old days of the economy, I made more than that even before becoming a CCNA. I would never settle for 50k, even in this econ., especially as a CCIE. Plus, a CCIE IMO should already have exp., and lots of it. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of becoming a CCIE - cisco certified internet EXPERT! -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A CCNA with little or no experience? Hardly. He's lucky to even land a job right now. I think this intern program is aimed at people new to the field. -Original Message- From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36123t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In MA we have a high cost of living, so maybe that explains it. Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I would have to assume that your ccna candidates are paid well then..Most places in the midwest pay ccnp people about 60K or so...as far as training I have not been seeing many people in the last few classes I have attended. Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven A. Ridder Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 1:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Well in the good old days of the economy, I made more than that even before becoming a CCNA. I would never settle for 50k, even in this econ., especially as a CCIE. Plus, a CCIE IMO should already have exp., and lots of it. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of becoming a CCIE - cisco certified internet EXPERT! -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A CCNA with little or no experience? Hardly. He's lucky to even land a job right now. I think this intern program is aimed at people new to the field. -Original Message- From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE. [7:36091] A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36130t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ONe would hope that would be factored in. The high cost of living here, still doesn't automatically raise salaries I am afraid. The bootcamps eventually lower everyone's salary since they are churning out armies of 'qualified' people, that look somewhat the same on paper to many recruiters. At the moment there seem to be NO jobs for networking in the SF Bay area. I have 5+ years experience, consulting exp, network design, security, etc. I am currently teaching a Cisco class as well. Although I have made a lot more when the economy was better, I would LOVE to interview for a 50k job at the moment! Desperately yours, Marc Maxwell CCNA/MCSE/A+ From: Steven A. Ridder Reply-To: Steven A. Ridder To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:37:34 -0500 In MA we have a high cost of living, so maybe that explains it. Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I would have to assume that your ccna candidates are paid well then..Most places in the midwest pay ccnp people about 60K or so...as far as training I have not been seeing many people in the last few classes I have attended. Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven A. Ridder Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 1:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Well in the good old days of the economy, I made more than that even before becoming a CCNA. I would never settle for 50k, even in this econ., especially as a CCIE. Plus, a CCIE IMO should already have exp., and lots of it. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of becoming a CCIE - cisco certified internet EXPERT! -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A CCNA with little or no experience? Hardly. He's lucky to even land a job right now. I think this intern program is aimed at people new to the field. -Original Message- From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE. [7:36091] A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083 www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstud
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The ole keep 'em uneducated and underpaid method I agree that is a typical corporate personnel practice, but not MY corporation. We get decent training( my latest 2 classes were for Checkpoint firewalls) and a lot of responsibilities, but still no pay. The 'typical behavior' represented here is 'the job market is weak, so get all you can for as little as possible, ethics be damned'.. The point being that the grass isn't necessarily greener just because training is decent. Bigger headaches and longer days that come with raising the responsibility bar pretty well balances out the advantage of getting good training classes. Good training will only be to a networker's advantage if the job market strengthens again. And with all the boot camps and ITTs of the world flooding that market, who knows if that will happen anytime soon. Just my 2 cents Larry Puckette Network Analyst CCNA,MCP,LANCP -Original Message- From: Marc Maxwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 4:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] I would be curious to know what type of contractual obligation is involved here. I would be willing to look at *something*, as long as it wasn't too binding (yeah right). And I *haven't* seen companies pay for training, at least not this (the good kind, that advances your career). Many if not most companies make it clear that they want you to stay whereever you are at. Marc From: Cisco Nuts Reply-To: Cisco Nuts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:54:41 -0500 That's right. A CCNA could potentially make more than $50K (with skills though) Here is what I don't understand: Jason states that his company is looking(note) for people while Sean mentions that you do have to actually sign up(note) for their program which he adds is not cheap?? So basically, looks like people will first have to shell out this huge dough out of their pocket to get an intership thru this company. From: Steven A. Ridder Reply-To: Steven A. Ridder To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:50:16 -0500 A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will weunfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-)Can you clarify this?? From: Jason LeeReply-To: Jason LeeTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500Hi all,My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheimcaliforniawe are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intensecisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (ciscoexpert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you,or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call.Jason LeeIT specialist 714-783-1083www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=3612
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Marc, I would think that with the Market being soft $50k for ONLY CCNA would be max. I have my CCNA and fit the bill, but I also have CNE5, A+, Network+ and a couple others w/ 6 years IT exp. I would think CCNP with minimal exp could bring 50k pretty easilly. As far as training, I have been hearing promises of training for the past year at my present company I went so far as to request time off and pay for it myself and got shot down... so I have been buy Routers on eBay and have my own 2500 serives lab. You can pickup the 2500 series routers very reasonable right now, so you might consider investing in equipment and books, test software and self-study for the CCNA. Then you will be ahead for the next exam because you will already have some of the equipment for the CCNP. I prefer the www.selftestsoftware.com tests. The test for CCNA is excellent, and Cisco recommended testing software. Les --- Marc Maxwell wrote: I would be curious to know what type of contractual obligation is involved here. I would be willing to look at *something*, as long as it wasn't too binding (yeah right). And I *haven't* seen companies pay for training, at least not this (the good kind, that advances your career). Many if not most companies make it clear that they want you to stay whereever you are at. Marc From: Cisco Nuts Reply-To: Cisco Nuts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:54:41 -0500 That's right. A CCNA could potentially make more than $50K (with skills though) Here is what I don't understand: Jason states that his company is looking(note) for people while Sean mentions that you do have to actually sign up(note) for their program which he adds is not cheap?? So basically, looks like people will first have to shell out this huge dough out of their pocket to get an intership thru this company. From: Steven A. Ridder Reply-To: Steven A. Ridder To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:50:16 -0500 A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE..... [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will weunfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-)Can you clarify this?? From: Jason LeeReply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091]Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500Hi all,My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheimcaliforniawe are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (ciscoexpert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you,or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call.Jason Lee IT specialist 714-783-1083www.ICTP.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Leslie McIntosh Network Engineer CCNA, CNE, CNS, A+, Network+ Certified [EMAIL P
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I've sat through the dog and pony show.. short version: you sign up for the complete package of training.. you pay it up front.. something around 30-40K .. and they offer a convient loan package through FannieMay.. you sign a contract where X dollars (roughly half)are *forgiven* on completion of course work AND you promise to teach there for 1-2 years. No written promise of hours per week.. just that you *should* get 17-30 hours a week at a pitance of a salary.. they run 7 days a week so kiss off your weekends I dont have all the exact details in front of me and in truth it's been about a year since I heard all this so it may have changed some. I will say that I have heard from others that it's still pretty much the same but take it at 2nd hand talk.. I decided that it was not a choice for myself.. my opinion only. MikeS Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36178t=36091 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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there are some positions at Bank one in Illinois and ohio.. if your interested.. Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marc Maxwell Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] ONe would hope that would be factored in. The high cost of living here, still doesn't automatically raise salaries I am afraid. The bootcamps eventually lower everyone's salary since they are churning out armies of 'qualified' people, that look somewhat the same on paper to many recruiters. At the moment there seem to be NO jobs for networking in the SF Bay area. I have 5+ years experience, consulting exp, network design, security, etc. I am currently teaching a Cisco class as well. Although I have made a lot more when the economy was better, I would LOVE to interview for a 50k job at the moment! Desperately yours, Marc Maxwell CCNA/MCSE/A+ From: Steven A. Ridder Reply-To: Steven A. Ridder To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:37:34 -0500 In MA we have a high cost of living, so maybe that explains it. Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I would have to assume that your ccna candidates are paid well then..Most places in the midwest pay ccnp people about 60K or so...as far as training I have not been seeing many people in the last few classes I have attended. Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven A. Ridder Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 1:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Well in the good old days of the economy, I made more than that even before becoming a CCNA. I would never settle for 50k, even in this econ., especially as a CCIE. Plus, a CCIE IMO should already have exp., and lots of it. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of becoming a CCIE - cisco certified internet EXPERT! -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A CCNA with little or no experience? Hardly. He's lucky to even land a job right now. I think this intern program is aimed at people new to the field. -Original Message- From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE. [7:36091] A CCNA makes more than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to work for them and get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your training. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Sean Knox wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is worth, (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for those with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this program), it works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program more in detail. - Sean -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the dough for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-) Can you clarify this?? From: Jason Lee Reply-To: Jason Lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.CCIE. [7:36091] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 Hi all, My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim california we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our very intense cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have information session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting to you, or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me a call. Jason Lee IT specialist 714-78
