Re: Stus-List CC 24 Keel Lift Point
I appreciate the info and pics regarding the CC 24 keel bolts. I am going to look into having a lift point fabricated for my boat. Thanks, Orren - Original Message - From: cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 7:33 PM Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 87, Issue 10 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Wet egg crate voids... (Graham Collins) 2. Re: CC 24 Keel Lift Point (Marek Fluder) 3. Break in (Ken Rodmell) 4. Re: bilge pump switch (sam.c.sal...@gmail.com) 5. Re: Photo Album Update (sam.c.sal...@gmail.com) 6. Re: CC 24 Keel Lift Point (Gary Nylander) 7. Re: Photo Album Update (Gary Nylander) 8. Re: Photo Album Update (John and Maryann Read) 9. Re: Wet egg crate voids... (Jake Brodersen) 10. Re: Wet egg crate voids... (Joel Aronson) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:04:17 -0300 From: Graham Collins cnclistforw...@hotmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Wet egg crate voids... Message-ID: blu0-smtp337674131bd51eddd048d8ad8...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed Hi Chuck Can you send me the pic? I'd be interested in a look. I would agree that the mast step area is not CC's best work, thankfully it is an otherwise awesome boat. cnclistforw...@hotmail.com Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2013-04-02 2:59 PM, Chuck Saur wrote: Thanks, Jake and Joel...I have tried to attach a jpeg view of the head-ache we apparently all share. The message was kicked back so I guess I am out of compliance by sending a pic... I have read several list-ers reference Rob Ball, and a connection to this list somewhere. Has he been asked his opinion about any creative solution to this? Or was this not a design issue, but an 'on the manufacturing floor' issue? If you say the limber holes solution was doable...I may give that a try. Unfortunately for my garage storage capacity, a Harbor Freight is way too close to me here. Looking at the pic I tried to send, do you guys have the same situation/position of the egg-crate voids relative to the bulkhead/mast; where they are just peeking out from under the bulkhead, barely accessible? Or have you found them different locations for boats of different years/build locations? Thanks...and Jake, we have a cabin on St Martins Point, and our family has enjoyed the Straits of Mackinac for years. St Ignace, (and the new Mackinac Grille deck overlooking the marina) says hello! Do you get back often? Chuck C$C 35-3 Morning Sky -- ** ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130402/9f5458c6/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 17:29:35 -0500 From: Marek Fluder mar...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 24 Keel Lift Point Message-ID: CAH_L7eBsA_tpGckL9HhjEFPeNoiJG-ucECem1P3==xawuhp...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I had a look at my bilge on Saturday: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0djgghfk4odl20q/IMG_9375.JPG The 3 aft bolts have nuts of 11/16 and the forward one is 3/4. The point about cutting a hole in a coach roof is a valid one as all 4 bolts are under it. Marek CC 24 Emilie Hamilton, Ontario On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.cawrote: Ed: I had a Kirby 25 that had a single point lift arrangement similar to what Colin described. The PO had a metal bar specifically constructed that spanned two keels bolts.you would remove the 2 nuts, place the steel bar down over the bolts, replace the nuts. The steel bar had D shaped metal holders welded to each end..a permanent lift strap was attached to the D shaped holders. A 6 hole was cut in the coach roof where the main lift entered to connect to the 'lift strap, metal bar'. The hole had an removable opening port. Simple arrangement once it was constructed but knowing where the 'balancing point' is is the challenge. If you can find another CC 24 with a similar arrangement, that would be very helpful. But keep in mind, every boat has different gear on board which might affect the 'balancing point'. Bob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On
Stus-List Keeping Props Clean
Here's what I've been doing on my 2-bladed MaxProp. It keeps barnacles away for about 5 months. After cleaning the prop with a wire wheel, I use spray polyurethane, applying 4 to 6 thin coats and let dry thoroughly. Just prior to launch, apply Petitt's gray, spray paint [barnacle barrier] over the polyurethane base.I launch in April, on the Chesapeake, I don't see any barnacles until mid-September.Hope this helps. Pete W.Siren SongCC30MKII ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Rendezvous Chesapeake NOR info
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Re: Stus-List Keeping Props Clean
Pete, why the polyurethane? Are you trying to keep the bronze / zinc separated? Thanks, Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:07 AM, kelly petew kellype...@msn.com wrote: Here's what I've been doing on my 2-bladed MaxProp. It keeps barnacles away for about 5 months. After cleaning the prop with a wire wheel, I use spray polyurethane, applying 4 to 6 thin coats and let dry thoroughly. Just prior to launch, apply Petitt's gray, spray paint [barnacle barrier] over the polyurethane base. I launch in April, on the Chesapeake, I don't see any barnacles until mid-September. Hope this helps. Pete W. Siren Song CC30MKII ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Strip LEDs Cabin Lighting
Hi All. I just volunteered my boat for a test case using these LED strip lights that are available on ebay cheap out of china. I haven't seen them used on boats before. They are marketed as being waterproof. There are a few variations on the LED types with the two most common being SMD 5050 and SMD 3528. The 5050 have triple LEDs so they can be made into any colour, they are also brighter because of the triple LED and consume more. The 3528, which I ordered, are smaller, single cell LEDs and consume less (why I chose them). Both varieties come in 5 meter lengths for about $20. The 3528 strip that I ordered has 600 LEDs on it! They can be cut to size. I purchased these to provide accent lighting in the cabin. They should be bright enough to be used as a primary light source for hanging out but not for reading (not the way I'm installing them, anyway). For the accent lighting I'll be installing them behind the teak trim on both sides of the boat just under the cabinets on either side. They should be hidden from view in there and I will likely aim them UP into that void rather than down, I'm a big fan of diffused lighting. I ordered the natural white 4500k LEDs. What I'm hoping to accomplish is a nice subdued ambient light in the cabin. I might even try a dimmer. If anyone is interested in this I can update once received and installed. Check them out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310638125425ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:CA:3160 For $20 I figure it's worth the gamble. They are 12V DC so should be a snap to install. I've got other ideas too. I'll see how this first strip works out and I'm curious to see what the real world power consumption is. Steve CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List 2013 NorthEast Rendezvous
As many of you may have read, we are making a donation to the Maritime Museum of Kingston Ontario, the cncphotoalbum.com and generating revenue for the Block Island Historical Society Museum (via tours and the Rob Ball event). Your attendance will help raise money to take care of valuable history... and you get to drink beer! What a concept. FYI, I received this email from the Maritime Museum of Kingston Ontario. Hi Rob. Sorry for the delay responding, but I wanted to ask our curator for an update of the current particulars of the CC Collection. As of now, we have in the collection: 371 records for archival material 3798 plans for CC boats 984 photographs, negatives and slides 16 objects relating to George Cuthbertson or CC Yachts 130 bibliographic materials ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Strip LEDs Cabin Lighting
Steve -- 4500K is a fairly bright, bluish-white light (daylight is about 6500K). If they have something in closer to 2700K or even 3200K, that would be a much warmer-colored light, more like incandescent. Something to think about. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 4, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just volunteered my boat for a test case using these LED strip lights that are available on ebay cheap out of china. I haven't seen them used on boats before. They are marketed as being waterproof. There are a few variations on the LED types with the two most common being SMD 5050 and SMD 3528. The 5050 have triple LEDs so they can be made into any colour, they are also brighter because of the triple LED and consume more. The 3528, which I ordered, are smaller, single cell LEDs and consume less (why I chose them). Both varieties come in 5 meter lengths for about $20. The 3528 strip that I ordered has 600 LEDs on it! They can be cut to size. I purchased these to provide accent lighting in the cabin. They should be bright enough to be used as a primary light source for hanging out but not for reading (not the way I'm installing them, anyway). For the accent lighting I'll be installing them behind the teak trim on both sides of the boat just under the cabinets on either side. They should be hidden from view in there and I will likely aim them UP into that void rather than down, I'm a big fan of diffused lighting. I ordered the natural white 4500k LEDs. What I'm hoping to accomplish is a nice subdued ambient light in the cabin. I might even try a dimmer. If anyone is interested in this I can update once received and installed. Check them out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310638125425ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:CA:3160 For $20 I figure it's worth the gamble. They are 12V DC so should be a snap to install. I've got other ideas too. I'll see how this first strip works out and I'm curious to see what the real world power consumption is. Steve CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Strip LEDs Cabin Lighting
They have a warm white but they appeared yellow, like YELLOW, not incandescent. To be honest I don't know how accurate their colour temperatures are. I picked the in between one because I figure this is a test and I'll know I can go colder or warmer from this point. Steve CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.netwrote: Steve -- 4500K is a fairly bright, bluish-white light (daylight is about 6500K). If they have something in closer to 2700K or even 3200K, that would be a much warmer-colored light, more like incandescent. Something to think about. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 4, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just volunteered my boat for a test case using these LED strip lights that are available on ebay cheap out of china. I haven't seen them used on boats before. They are marketed as being waterproof. There are a few variations on the LED types with the two most common being SMD 5050 and SMD 3528. The 5050 have triple LEDs so they can be made into any colour, they are also brighter because of the triple LED and consume more. The 3528, which I ordered, are smaller, single cell LEDs and consume less (why I chose them). Both varieties come in 5 meter lengths for about $20. The 3528 strip that I ordered has 600 LEDs on it! They can be cut to size. I purchased these to provide accent lighting in the cabin. They should be bright enough to be used as a primary light source for hanging out but not for reading (not the way I'm installing them, anyway). For the accent lighting I'll be installing them behind the teak trim on both sides of the boat just under the cabinets on either side. They should be hidden from view in there and I will likely aim them UP into that void rather than down, I'm a big fan of diffused lighting. I ordered the natural white 4500k LEDs. What I'm hoping to accomplish is a nice subdued ambient light in the cabin. I might even try a dimmer. If anyone is interested in this I can update once received and installed. Check them out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310638125425ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:CA:3160 For $20 I figure it's worth the gamble. They are 12V DC so should be a snap to install. I've got other ideas too. I'll see how this first strip works out and I'm curious to see what the real world power consumption is. Steve CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Strip LEDs Cabin Lighting
The numbers refer to the physical size of the individual LEDs (so 3528 is 3.5mm x 2.8mm, 5050 is 5mm x 5mm). 5050, being bigger, will both cast more light and use more power. I just replaced one fluorescent fixture by making a replacement with 3 feet of 120 LED per meter material, 3528 size. (yes, I am mixing imperial and metric units...). 3 LED/inch = 108 LEDs It seems more than bright enough. I am pondering mounting some 60 LED/m strips on the underside of the shelves in the v-berth, since that area is a bit dark... Anyone wanting to look at the various options, the web site superbrightleds.com is a good resource. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2013-04-04 3:52 PM, Fred Hazzard wrote: I bought 16 feet of LED's from LED Wholesalers in Calif. They are the warm white 3528. They are quite yellow. There are 15 LED's per foot. I installed 30 of them in an old florescent fixture.While it is a nice light it does not put out enough light to be an area light in the galley. I am sure that if I installed long strips of them as hidden accent lights they would be great. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury CC 44 Portland, Or *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Stevan Plavsa *Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 10:41 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Strip LEDs Cabin Lighting They have a warm white but they appeared yellow, like YELLOW, not incandescent. To be honest I don't know how accurate their colour temperatures are. I picked the in between one because I figure this is a test and I'll know I can go colder or warmer from this point. Steve CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net mailto:f...@postaudio.net wrote: Steve -- 4500K is a fairly bright, bluish-white light (daylight is about 6500K). If they have something in closer to 2700K or even 3200K, that would be a much warmer-colored light, more like incandescent. Something to think about. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V /Oceanis/ (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 4, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just volunteered my boat for a test case using these LED strip lights that are available on ebay cheap out of china. I haven't seen them used on boats before. They are marketed as being waterproof. There are a few variations on the LED types with the two most common being SMD 5050 and SMD 3528. The 5050 have triple LEDs so they can be made into any colour, they are also brighter because of the triple LED and consume more. The 3528, which I ordered, are smaller, single cell LEDs and consume less (why I chose them). Both varieties come in 5 meter lengths for about $20. The 3528 strip that I ordered has 600 LEDs on it! They can be cut to size. I purchased these to provide accent lighting in the cabin. They should be bright enough to be used as a primary light source for hanging out but not for reading (not the way I'm installing them, anyway). For the accent lighting I'll be installing them behind the teak trim on both sides of the boat just under the cabinets on either side. They should be hidden from view in there and I will likely aim them UP into that void rather than down, I'm a big fan of diffused lighting. I ordered the natural white 4500k LEDs. What I'm hoping to accomplish is a nice subdued ambient light in the cabin. I might even try a dimmer. If anyone is interested in this I can update once received and installed. Check them out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310638125425ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:CA:3160 For $20 I figure it's worth the gamble. They are 12V DC so should be a snap to install. I've got other ideas too. I'll see how this first strip works out and I'm curious to see what the real world power consumption is. Steve CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Keeping props clean
It makes sense; the job of a primer is to adhere to difficult surfaces and to have a substrate for the paint to attach to. Zinc being more reactive than copper (biggest part of bronze brass) and in an ionic form, there should be no (or not much) displacement. Ron Wild Cheri CC 30 STL --- On Wed, 4/3/13, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com Subject: Stus-List Keeping props clean To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Wednesday, April 3, 2013, 1:36 PM From Sail magazine: Prop Paint You don't want barnacles or slime affecting your propeller's efficiency, but it's notoriously difficult to make antifouling paint stick to your prop. Here's how: rough up the metal with some 80 grit sandpaper, then apply a couple of coats of zinc chromate primer. Then brush on your choice of bottom paint. The primer will adhere to the metal, the paint will adhere to the primer, and the barnacles won't adhere to the paint. Who wants to try it? -- Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis 301 541 8551 -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Strip LEDs Cabin Lighting
I would love to see some pictures of your setup, Graham. Yes, the 5050 are larger because they contain 3 leds per cell which apparently allows for RGB and mixing any colour. The v-berth is definitely a good candidate. Steve CC 32 Toronto On 2013-04-04, at 4:28 PM, Graham Collins cnclistforw...@hotmail.com wrote: The numbers refer to the physical size of the individual LEDs (so 3528 is 3.5mm x 2.8mm, 5050 is 5mm x 5mm). 5050, being bigger, will both cast more light and use more power. I just replaced one fluorescent fixture by making a replacement with 3 feet of 120 LED per meter material, 3528 size. (yes, I am mixing imperial and metric units...). 3 LED/inch = 108 LEDs It seems more than bright enough. I am pondering mounting some 60 LED/m strips on the underside of the shelves in the v-berth, since that area is a bit dark... Anyone wanting to look at the various options, the web site superbrightleds.com is a good resource. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2013-04-04 3:52 PM, Fred Hazzard wrote: I bought 16 feet of LED’s from LED Wholesalers in Calif. They are the warm white 3528. They are quite yellow. There are 15 LED’s per foot. I installed 30 of them in an old florescent fixture.While it is a nice light it does not put out enough light to be an area light in the galley. I am sure that if I installed long strips of them as hidden accent lights they would be great. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury CC 44 Portland, Or From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 10:41 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Strip LEDs Cabin Lighting They have a warm white but they appeared yellow, like YELLOW, not incandescent. To be honest I don't know how accurate their colour temperatures are. I picked the in between one because I figure this is a test and I'll know I can go colder or warmer from this point. Steve CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net wrote: Steve -- 4500K is a fairly bright, bluish-white light (daylight is about 6500K). If they have something in closer to 2700K or even 3200K, that would be a much warmer-colored light, more like incandescent. Something to think about. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 4, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just volunteered my boat for a test case using these LED strip lights that are available on ebay cheap out of china. I haven't seen them used on boats before. They are marketed as being waterproof. There are a few variations on the LED types with the two most common being SMD 5050 and SMD 3528. The 5050 have triple LEDs so they can be made into any colour, they are also brighter because of the triple LED and consume more. The 3528, which I ordered, are smaller, single cell LEDs and consume less (why I chose them). Both varieties come in 5 meter lengths for about $20. The 3528 strip that I ordered has 600 LEDs on it! They can be cut to size. I purchased these to provide accent lighting in the cabin. They should be bright enough to be used as a primary light source for hanging out but not for reading (not the way I'm installing them, anyway). For the accent lighting I'll be installing them behind the teak trim on both sides of the boat just under the cabinets on either side. They should be hidden from view in there and I will likely aim them UP into that void rather than down, I'm a big fan of diffused lighting. I ordered the natural white 4500k LEDs. What I'm hoping to accomplish is a nice subdued ambient light in the cabin. I might even try a dimmer. If anyone is interested in this I can update once received and installed. Check them out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310638125425ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:CA:3160 For $20 I figure it's worth the gamble. They are 12V DC so should be a snap to install. I've got other ideas too. I'll see how this first strip works out and I'm curious to see what the real world power consumption is. Steve CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album
Stus-List Stu and the Bad Guys
Hi Listers: Just a little note to suggest we all save a few pennies toward helping Stu out once he gets sorted with the insurance people. Hopefully he will recover well, but I am sure there will be some gaps which we may be able to fill. Stu, I know you will see this and I trust you will keep us up to date as you get things back together. If you do have to redo the site/software etc, it might also be an opportunity to consider developing it a bit to accommodate pictures etc. Just a thought. This forum and the site certainly increase the pleasure of owning a CC yacht, and, judging by the participation, is a useful and entertaining resource. Any way, standing by! We appreciate you, Stu!!! Rich. Rich Knowles INDIGO LF38 Halifax, NS. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Strip LEDs Cabin Lighting
Hi Steve The mixing can be done at smaller sizes as well, size is more related to the light output. I'll try to remember to take some pictures when I'm done. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2013-04-04 6:15 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: I would love to see some pictures of your setup, Graham. Yes, the 5050 are larger because they contain 3 leds per cell which apparently allows for RGB and mixing any colour. The v-berth is definitely a good candidate. Steve CC 32 Toronto On 2013-04-04, at 4:28 PM, Graham Collins cnclistforw...@hotmail.com mailto:cnclistforw...@hotmail.com wrote: The numbers refer to the physical size of the individual LEDs (so 3528 is 3.5mm x 2.8mm, 5050 is 5mm x 5mm). 5050, being bigger, will both cast more light and use more power. I just replaced one fluorescent fixture by making a replacement with 3 feet of 120 LED per meter material, 3528 size. (yes, I am mixing imperial and metric units...). 3 LED/inch = 108 LEDs It seems more than bright enough. I am pondering mounting some 60 LED/m strips on the underside of the shelves in the v-berth, since that area is a bit dark... Anyone wanting to look at the various options, the web site superbrightleds.com http://superbrightleds.com is a good resource. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2013-04-04 3:52 PM, Fred Hazzard wrote: I bought 16 feet of LED's from LED Wholesalers in Calif. They are the warm white 3528. They are quite yellow. There are 15 LED's per foot. I installed 30 of them in an old florescent fixture.While it is a nice light it does not put out enough light to be an area light in the galley. I am sure that if I installed long strips of them as hidden accent lights they would be great. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury CC 44 Portland, Or *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Stevan Plavsa *Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 10:41 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Strip LEDs Cabin Lighting They have a warm white but they appeared yellow, like YELLOW, not incandescent. To be honest I don't know how accurate their colour temperatures are. I picked the in between one because I figure this is a test and I'll know I can go colder or warmer from this point. Steve CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net mailto:f...@postaudio.net wrote: Steve -- 4500K is a fairly bright, bluish-white light (daylight is about 6500K). If they have something in closer to 2700K or even 3200K, that would be a much warmer-colored light, more like incandescent. Something to think about. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V /Oceanis/ (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 4, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just volunteered my boat for a test case using these LED strip lights that are available on ebay cheap out of china. I haven't seen them used on boats before. They are marketed as being waterproof. There are a few variations on the LED types with the two most common being SMD 5050 and SMD 3528. The 5050 have triple LEDs so they can be made into any colour, they are also brighter because of the triple LED and consume more. The 3528, which I ordered, are smaller, single cell LEDs and consume less (why I chose them). Both varieties come in 5 meter lengths for about $20. The 3528 strip that I ordered has 600 LEDs on it! They can be cut to size. I purchased these to provide accent lighting in the cabin. They should be bright enough to be used as a primary light source for hanging out but not for reading (not the way I'm installing them, anyway). For the accent lighting I'll be installing them behind the teak trim on both sides of the boat just under the cabinets on either side. They should be hidden from view in there and I will likely aim them UP into that void rather than down, I'm a big fan of diffused lighting. I ordered the natural white 4500k LEDs. What I'm hoping to accomplish is a nice subdued ambient light in the cabin. I might even try a dimmer. If anyone is interested in this I can update once received and installed. Check them out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310638125425ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:CA:3160 For $20 I figure it's worth the gamble. They are 12V DC so should be a snap to install. I've got other ideas too. I'll see how this first strip works out and I'm curious to see what the real world power consumption is. Steve CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is
Stus-List Black Magic CC 34+
Anybody know anything about Ralph Racca and Black Magic, a CC 34+? I wanted to find out about his runner setup. The boat raced Newport to Block Island in May of 2008. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI
I have a conversation going with someone considering a purchase of a CC in the 40' range to race in BVI. I offered to present his questions to this (cnc-listers) august body to gather the combined wisdom. Original question: Down here in the BVI myself and four friends race a small Hunter 30 in the various regattas but being the smallest boat in the group we seldom get with the winners. One of our friends down here has a CC 41 with centerboard and he wins everything, so, we are looking at getting a CC ourselves. So, the question is, which one (41 or 43) which is where I would appreciate your guidance. There is a CC 41fin keel in a St Martin (90 miles from us) but would the 43 custom be a faster vessel, we obviously want to beat our friend with the CC 41 Sitting in our position, which CC would you be looking at to race down here ?? Follow-up questions: A 41 fin keel versus a 41 center board ?? Taking a different tack (excuse the pun), how would the 41 / 43 fair against a similar size J boat, I know they are very different animals but the J's handicap might even out the odds. I have answered with some general info based on my experience with a 1970 CC 43. I do not have any knowledge on how other CC designs would compare with a CC 43 / centerboard especially in BVI conditions (trade winds?). Martin Calypso 1970 CC 43 Seattle ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI
FWIW here are the PHRF NE numbers: C+C 4172C+C 41 1983 LIM ED69C+C 41 CB75C+C 4281C+C 43-1 TM72C+C 43-275C+C 44 J 4078J 40 SD90J 4169J 41 FR69J 4269J 42 CARBON66J 42 SD75J 44 ODR27J 44 WK Joel Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com wrote: I have a conversation going with someone considering a purchase of a CC in the 40’ range to race in BVI. I offered to present his questions to this (cnc-listers) august body to gather the combined wisdom. *Original question:* Down here in the BVI myself and four friends race a small Hunter 30 in the various regattas but being the smallest boat in the group we seldom get with the winners. One of our friends down here has a CC 41 with centerboard and he wins everything, so, we are looking at getting a CC ourselves. So, the question is, which one (41 or 43) which is where I would appreciate your guidance. There is a CC 41fin keel in a St Martin (90 miles from us) but would the 43 custom be a faster vessel, we obviously want to beat our friend with the CC 41 Sitting in our position, which CC would you be looking at to race down here ?? *Follow-up questions:* A 41 fin keel versus a 41 center board ?? Taking a different tack (excuse the pun), how would the 41 / 43 fair against a similar size J boat, I know they are very different animals but the J's handicap might even out the odds. I have answered with some general info based on my experience with a 1970 CC 43. I do not have any knowledge on how other CC designs would compare with a CC 43 / centerboard especially in BVI conditions (trade winds?). Martin Calypso 1970 CC 43 Seattle ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI
Joel, Thanks for the PHRF NE rating info. Of those boats listed, which designs are commonly at or near the top of each class in the NE? Here in the PNW we have an abundance of light air and current which often affects/distorts relative performance. My relative performance observations are not likely accurate for BVI conditions. Martin Calypso 1970 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 5:58 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI FWIW here are the PHRF NE numbers: C+C 41 72 C+C 41 1983 LIM ED 69 C+C 41 CB 75 C+C 42 81 C+C 43-1 TM 72 C+C 43-2 75 C+C 44 J 40 78 J 40 SD 90 J 41 69 J 41 FR 69 J 42 69 J 42 CARBON 66 J 42 SD 75 J 44 ODR 27 J 44 WK Joel Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.commailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com wrote: I have a conversation going with someone considering a purchase of a CC in the 40' range to race in BVI. I offered to present his questions to this (cnc-listers) august body to gather the combined wisdom. Original question: Down here in the BVI myself and four friends race a small Hunter 30 in the various regattas but being the smallest boat in the group we seldom get with the winners. One of our friends down here has a CC 41 with centerboard and he wins everything, so, we are looking at getting a CC ourselves. So, the question is, which one (41 or 43) which is where I would appreciate your guidance. There is a CC 41fin keel in a St Martin (90 miles from us) but would the 43 custom be a faster vessel, we obviously want to beat our friend with the CC 41 Sitting in our position, which CC would you be looking at to race down here ?? Follow-up questions: A 41 fin keel versus a 41 center board ?? Taking a different tack (excuse the pun), how would the 41 / 43 fair against a similar size J boat, I know they are very different animals but the J's handicap might even out the odds. I have answered with some general info based on my experience with a 1970 CC 43. I do not have any knowledge on how other CC designs would compare with a CC 43 / centerboard especially in BVI conditions (trade winds?). Martin Calypso 1970 CC 43 Seattle ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI
Martin, Im on the Chesapeake but I use the PHRF ratings as a general guide. I couldn't tell you which boats outperform. I'd guess the J s are lighter and sail better in light air but I haven't gone to sailboatdata.com to do the research. In the BVIs the light air advantage would be less significant. Joel 35/3 Annapolis Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com wrote: Joel, Thanks for the PHRF NE rating info. Of those boats listed, which designs are commonly at or near the top of each class in the NE? Here in the PNW we have an abundance of light air and current which often affects/distorts relative performance. My relative performance observations are not likely accurate for BVI conditions. Martin Calypso 1970 CC 43 Seattle *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson *Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 5:58 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI FWIW here are the PHRF NE numbers: C+C 41 72 C+C 41 1983 LIM ED 69 C+C 41 CB 75 C+C 42 81 C+C 43-1 TM 72 C+C 43-2 75 C+C 44 J 40 78 J 40 SD 90 J 41 69 J 41 FR 69 J 42 69 J 42 CARBON 66 J 42 SD 75 J 44 ODR 27 J 44 WK Joel Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com wrote: I have a conversation going with someone considering a purchase of a CC in the 40’ range to race in BVI. I offered to present his questions to this (cnc-listers) august body to gather the combined wisdom. *Original question:* Down here in the BVI myself and four friends race a small Hunter 30 in the various regattas but being the smallest boat in the group we seldom get with the winners. One of our friends down here has a CC 41 with centerboard and he wins everything, so, we are looking at getting a CC ourselves. So, the question is, which one (41 or 43) which is where I would appreciate your guidance. There is a CC 41fin keel in a St Martin (90 miles from us) but would the 43 custom be a faster vessel, we obviously want to beat our friend with the CC 41 Sitting in our position, which CC would you be looking at to race down here ?? *Follow-up questions:* A 41 fin keel versus a 41 center board ?? Taking a different tack (excuse the pun), how would the 41 / 43 fair against a similar size J boat, I know they are very different animals but the J's handicap might even out the odds. I have answered with some general info based on my experience with a 1970 CC 43. I do not have any knowledge on how other CC designs would compare with a CC 43 / centerboard especially in BVI conditions (trade winds?). Martin Calypso 1970 CC 43 Seattle ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 87, Issue 15
from this point. Steve CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net mailto:f...@postaudio.net wrote: Steve -- 4500K is a fairly bright, bluish-white light (daylight is about 6500K). If they have something in closer to 2700K or even 3200K, that would be a much warmer-colored light, more like incandescent. Something to think about. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V /Oceanis/ (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 4, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just volunteered my boat for a test case using these LED strip lights that are available on ebay cheap out of china. I haven't seen them used on boats before. They are marketed as being waterproof. There are a few variations on the LED types with the two most common being "SMD 5050" and "SMD 3528". The 5050 have triple LEDs so they can be made into any colour, they are also brighter because of the triple LED and consume more. The 3528, which I ordered, are smaller, single cell LEDs and consume less (why I chose them). Both varieties come in 5 meter lengths for about $20. The 3528 strip that I ordered has 600 LEDs on it! They can be cut to size. I purchased these to provide accent lighting in the cabin. They should be bright enough to be used as a primary light source for hanging out but not for reading (not the way I'm installing them, anyway). For the accent lighting I'll be installing them behind the teak trim on both sides of the boat just under the cabinets on either side. They should be hidden from view in there and I will likely aim them UP into that void rather than down, I'm a big fan of diffused lighting. I ordered the "natural white 4500k" LEDs. What I'm hoping to accomplish is a nice subdued ambient light in the cabin. I might even try a dimmer. If anyone is interested in this I can update once received and installed. Check them out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310638125425ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:CA:3160 For $20 I figure it's worth the gamble. They are 12V DC so should be a snap to install. I've got other ideas too. I'll see how this first strip works out and I'm curious to see what the real world power consumption is. Steve CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com-- next part --An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130404/ac1bb62b/attachment-0001.html--Message: 3Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:55:29 + (UTC)From: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.netTo: cnc-list CNC boat owners cnc-list@cnc-list.com, cc-3436 cc-3...@googlegroups.comSubject: Stus-List Black Magic CC 34+Message-ID: 1240476085.231485.1365116129243.javamail.r...@sz0179a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Anybody know anything about Ralph Racca and Black Magic, a CC 34+? I wanted to find out about his runner setup. The boat raced Newport to Block Island in May of 2008. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ -- next part --An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130404/cc67f0a9/attachment-0001.html--Message: 4Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 23:37:42 +From: Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.comTo: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVIMessage-ID: 23eae197cc1b594fa8793397ebcd357d799...@dmi3.dmi.localContent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"I have a conversation going with someone considering a purchase of a CC in the 40' range to race in BVI. I offered to present his questions to this (cnc-listers) august body to gather the combined wisdom.Original question:Down here in the BVI myself and four friends race a small Hunter 30 in the various regattas but being the smallest boat in the group we seldom get with the winners. One of
Stus-List 41
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 23:37:42 + From: Martin DeYoungmdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com To:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI Message-ID:23eae197cc1b594fa8793397ebcd357d799...@dmi3.dmi.local Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a conversation going with someone considering a purchase of a CC in the 40' range to race in BVI. I offered to present his questions to this (cnc-listers) august body to gather the combined wisdom. Original question: Down here in the BVI myself and four friends race a small Hunter 30 in the various regattas but being the smallest boat in the group we seldom get with the winners. One of our friends down here has a CC 41 with centerboard and he wins everything, so, we are looking at getting a CC ourselves. So, the question is, which one (41 or 43) which is where I would appreciate your guidance. There is a CC 41fin keel in a St Martin (90 miles from us) but would the 43 custom be a faster vessel, we obviously want to beat our friend with the CC 41 Sitting in our position, which CC would you be looking at to race down here ?? Follow-up questions: A 41 fin keel versus a 41 center board ?? Taking a different tack (excuse the pun), how would the 41 / 43 fair against a similar size J boat, I know they are very different animals but the J's handicap might even out the odds. Martin, Get the 41 with the fin. It is an awesome racer and there is no satisfaction like beating the other 41 head to head. Howard Paul, Knot Again 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI
Compared to a Hunter 30, they can hardly go wrong with either of the CC's or a J/40. ;-) It's like someone who drives a '76 Chevette debating the merits of a BMW M Series vs a Porsche. Cheers Colin (Disclosure: Have owned both CC and J boats, but no Hunters) On 4/4/13, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: Martin, Im on the Chesapeake but I use the PHRF ratings as a general guide. I couldn't tell you which boats outperform. I'd guess the J s are lighter and sail better in light air but I haven't gone to sailboatdata.com to do the research. In the BVIs the light air advantage would be less significant. Joel 35/3 Annapolis Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com wrote: Joel, Thanks for the PHRF NE rating info. Of those boats listed, which designs are commonly at or near the top of each class in the NE? Here in the PNW we have an abundance of light air and current which often affects/distorts relative performance. My relative performance observations are not likely accurate for BVI conditions. Martin Calypso 1970 CC 43 Seattle *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson *Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 5:58 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI FWIW here are the PHRF NE numbers: C+C 41 72 C+C 41 1983 LIM ED 69 C+C 41 CB 75 C+C 42 81 C+C 43-1 TM 72 C+C 43-2 75 C+C 44 J 40 78 J 40 SD 90 J 41 69 J 41 FR 69 J 42 69 J 42 CARBON 66 J 42 SD 75 J 44 ODR 27 J 44 WK Joel Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com wrote: I have a conversation going with someone considering a purchase of a CC in the 40’ range to race in BVI. I offered to present his questions to this (cnc-listers) august body to gather the combined wisdom. *Original question:* Down here in the BVI myself and four friends race a small Hunter 30 in the various regattas but being the smallest boat in the group we seldom get with the winners. One of our friends down here has a CC 41 with centerboard and he wins everything, so, we are looking at getting a CC ourselves. So, the question is, which one (41 or 43) which is where I would appreciate your guidance. There is a CC 41fin keel in a St Martin (90 miles from us) but would the 43 custom be a faster vessel, we obviously want to beat our friend with the CC 41 Sitting in our position, which CC would you be looking at to race down here ?? *Follow-up questions:* A 41 fin keel versus a 41 center board ?? Taking a different tack (excuse the pun), how would the 41 / 43 fair against a similar size J boat, I know they are very different animals but the J's handicap might even out the odds. I have answered with some general info based on my experience with a 1970 CC 43. I do not have any knowledge on how other CC designs would compare with a CC 43 / centerboard especially in BVI conditions (trade winds?). Martin Calypso 1970 CC 43 Seattle ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Sent from my mobile device ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI
Dear CC seeker, Newer CC designs (before 1996) are faster just because they kept improving their designs. This proves out by PHRF ratings. But newer costs more. Deep keels point better than centerboarders and are thousands of pounds lighter so they excel in lighter winds too. But in open water races, chop can stop a light boat while heavier boats maintain momentum through the rough stuff. Experienced boat handling pays huge dividends in sloppy seas and marginal winds. Stronger winds favor the 1990 37/40R a fast racer, or the 37/40+ and 37/40XL fast racer/cruiser version with a queen sized bed. Centerboards are great for the Bahamas, but I'd like the deepest, keel I can get for the BVI's. We have a fast boat, a CC 34/36R and we race and usually finish first in our local offshore races. A fast boat requires you lead to every mark (scary to me when learning to race) when my experience was crewing on a slower boat and following the fleet. Leading means finding every mark and calculating the right laylines. A fast boat also requires you beat the slower boats with lower ratings, by time allowance, often minutes. In many races we corrected to 2nd place when we finish before a certain J-28 by less than 5 minutes in a 60 minute race. Winning at PHRF depends a great deal on hull preparation, condition of sails, skipper's boat handling skills, race management, tactics, and crew work. Beating the friend who is winning everything may take a lot more than getting the fastest boat. The entire fleet is trying to do that. Getting a boat designed to race like a CC, with all the bells and whistles like oversized winches, adjustable genoa cars, and robust spinnaker gear, good underwater foils, and good sails will all help you and your crew improve skills to get closer to the front of the fleet. A fast boat will have you in clear air and leading while you are learning . But it may take a while to beat experienced skippers and crews. BTW, we are all learning, that's the fun of it, and the reason I race. Good luch with your quest, Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ - Original Message - From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:57:44 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI FWIW here are the PHRF NE numbers: C+C 41 72 C+C 41 1983 LIM ED 69 C+C 41 CB 75 C+C 42 81 C+C 43-1 TM 72 C+C 43-275 C+C 44 J 4078 J 40 SD 90 J 4169 J 41 FR 69 J 4269 J 42 CARBON 66 J 42 SD 75 J 44 ODR27 J 44 WK Joel Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com wrote: I have a conversation going with someone considering a purchase of a CC in the 40’ range to race in BVI. I offered to present his questions to this (cnc-listers) august body to gather the combined wisdom. Original question: Down here in the BVI myself and four friends race a small Hunter 30 in the various regattas but being the smallest boat in the group we seldom get with the winners. One of our friends down here has a CC 41 with centerboard and he wins everything, so, we are looking at getting a CC ourselves. So, the question is, which one (41 or 43) which is where I would appreciate your guidance. There is a CC 41fin keel in a St Martin (90 miles from us) but would the 43 custom be a faster vessel, we obviously want to beat our friend with the CC 41 Sitting in our position, which CC would you be looking at to race down here ?? Follow-up questions: A 41 fin keel versus a 41 center board ?? Taking a different tack (excuse the pun), how would the 41 / 43 fair against a similar size J boat, I know they are very different animals but the J's handicap might even out the odds. I have answered with some general info based on my experience with a 1970 CC 43. I do not have any knowledge on how other CC designs would compare with a CC 43 / centerboard especially in BVI conditions (trade winds?). Martin Calypso 1970 CC 43 Seattle ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI
Fun project: Found the CC 41 in Saint Marteen on Yachtworld. Looks decent. But I don't see sails or racing hardware listed? Might be a basic boat and need $30K in hardware and sail upgrades to race? http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/C%26c-Performance-Cruiser-2553902/Sint-Maarten/Netherlands-Antilles-%28NL%29#.UV48pDdNU3Q A CC 41 CB is winning, that boat becomes the standard we have to beat. What are the conditions? What sails does he use? Make, Model, Year? How long has he raced? Is he a retired sailmaker? Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ - Original Message - From: Colin Kilgour charliekilo...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:12:39 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI Compared to a Hunter 30, they can hardly go wrong with either of the CC's or a J/40. ;-) It's like someone who drives a '76 Chevette debating the merits of a BMW M Series vs a Porsche. Cheers Colin (Disclosure: Have owned both CC and J boats, but no Hunters) On 4/4/13, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: Martin, Im on the Chesapeake but I use the PHRF ratings as a general guide. I couldn't tell you which boats outperform. I'd guess the J s are lighter and sail better in light air but I haven't gone to sailboatdata.com to do the research. In the BVIs the light air advantage would be less significant. Joel 35/3 Annapolis Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com wrote: Joel, Thanks for the PHRF NE rating info. Of those boats listed, which designs are commonly at or near the top of each class in the NE? Here in the PNW we have an abundance of light air and current which often affects/distorts relative performance. My relative performance observations are not likely accurate for BVI conditions. Martin Calypso 1970 CC 43 Seattle *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson *Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 5:58 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI FWIW here are the PHRF NE numbers: C+C 41 72 C+C 41 1983 LIM ED 69 C+C 41 CB 75 C+C 42 81 C+C 43-1 TM 72 C+C 43-2 75 C+C 44 J 40 78 J 40 SD 90 J 41 69 J 41 FR 69 J 42 69 J 42 CARBON 66 J 42 SD 75 J 44 ODR 27 J 44 WK Joel Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com wrote: I have a conversation going with someone considering a purchase of a CC in the 40’ range to race in BVI. I offered to present his questions to this (cnc-listers) august body to gather the combined wisdom. *Original question:* Down here in the BVI myself and four friends race a small Hunter 30 in the various regattas but being the smallest boat in the group we seldom get with the winners. One of our friends down here has a CC 41 with centerboard and he wins everything, so, we are looking at getting a CC ourselves. So, the question is, which one (41 or 43) which is where I would appreciate your guidance. There is a CC 41fin keel in a St Martin (90 miles from us) but would the 43 custom be a faster vessel, we obviously want to beat our friend with the CC 41 Sitting in our position, which CC would you be looking at to race down here ?? *Follow-up questions:* A 41 fin keel versus a 41 center board ?? Taking a different tack (excuse the pun), how would the 41 / 43 fair against a similar size J boat, I know they are very different animals but the J's handicap might even out the odds. I have answered with some general info based on my experience with a 1970 CC 43. I do not have any knowledge on how other CC designs would compare with a CC 43 / centerboard especially in BVI conditions (trade winds?). Martin Calypso 1970 CC 43 Seattle ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Sent from my mobile device ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI
Hi Martin, Saint Marteen CC 41 has some sails; 2 mains and a #1 and #2 and furler. Pros: Has a mix of instruments including depth and wind and a plotter. Looks like it's worth checking out for the price and effort to prep for sale. Cons: Looks to be a truncated diamond IOR hull. (newer designs dropped that idea and proved faster) You'll never use the quarter berth. No AC. Sails may be cruising sails? Racing hardware is missing. Alternatives: 1) consider a CC 34R for sale presently in Texas, cheap? 2) consider a 37/40 , model from US mainland? Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ - Original Message - From: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:56:03 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI Fun project: Found the CC 41 in Saint Marteen on Yachtworld. Looks decent. But I don't see sails or racing hardware listed? Might be a basic boat and need $30K in hardware and sail upgrades to race? http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/C%26c-Performance-Cruiser-2553902/Sint-Maarten/Netherlands-Antilles-%28NL%29#.UV48pDdNU3Q A CC 41 CB is winning, that boat becomes the standard we have to beat. What are the conditions? What sails does he use? Make, Model, Year? How long has he raced? Is he a retired sailmaker? Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ - Original Message - From: Colin Kilgour charliekilo...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:12:39 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI Compared to a Hunter 30, they can hardly go wrong with either of the CC's or a J/40. ;-) It's like someone who drives a '76 Chevette debating the merits of a BMW M Series vs a Porsche. Cheers Colin (Disclosure: Have owned both CC and J boats, but no Hunters) On 4/4/13, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: Martin, Im on the Chesapeake but I use the PHRF ratings as a general guide. I couldn't tell you which boats outperform. I'd guess the J s are lighter and sail better in light air but I haven't gone to sailboatdata.com to do the research. In the BVIs the light air advantage would be less significant. Joel 35/3 Annapolis Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com wrote: Joel, Thanks for the PHRF NE rating info. Of those boats listed, which designs are commonly at or near the top of each class in the NE? Here in the PNW we have an abundance of light air and current which often affects/distorts relative performance. My relative performance observations are not likely accurate for BVI conditions. Martin Calypso 1970 CC 43 Seattle *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson *Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 5:58 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CC 41 vs. ? in BVI FWIW here are the PHRF NE numbers: C+C 41 72 C+C 41 1983 LIM ED 69 C+C 41 CB 75 C+C 42 81 C+C 43-1 TM 72 C+C 43-2 75 C+C 44 J 40 78 J 40 SD 90 J 41 69 J 41 FR 69 J 42 69 J 42 CARBON 66 J 42 SD 75 J 44 ODR 27 J 44 WK Joel Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com wrote: I have a conversation going with someone considering a purchase of a CC in the 40’ range to race in BVI. I offered to present his questions to this (cnc-listers) august body to gather the combined wisdom. *Original question:* Down here in the BVI myself and four friends race a small Hunter 30 in the various regattas but being the smallest boat in the group we seldom get with the winners. One of our friends down here has a CC 41 with centerboard and he wins everything, so, we are looking at getting a CC ourselves. So, the question is, which one (41 or 43) which is where I would appreciate your guidance. There is a CC 41fin keel in a St Martin (90 miles from us) but would the 43 custom be a faster vessel, we obviously want to beat our friend with the CC 41 Sitting in our position, which CC would you be looking at to race down here ?? *Follow-up questions:* A 41 fin keel versus a 41 center board ?? Taking a different tack (excuse the pun), how would the 41 / 43 fair against a similar size J boat, I know they are very different animals but the J's handicap might even out the odds. I have answered with some general info based on my experience with a 1970 CC 43. I do not have any knowledge on how other CC designs would compare with a CC 43 / centerboard especially in BVI conditions (trade winds?). Martin Calypso 1970 CC 43 Seattle ___ This List is provided by the CC
Stus-List Stu's recent incident.
Hi Listers: Just a little note to suggest we all save a few pennies toward helping Stu out once he gets sorted with the insurance people. Hopefully he will recover well, but I am sure there will be some gaps which we may be able to fill. Stu, I know you will see this and I trust you will keep us up to date as you get things back together. If you do have to redo the site/software etc, it might also be an opportunity to consider developing it a bit to accommodate pictures etc. Just a thought. This forum and the site certainly increase the pleasure of owning a CC yacht, and, judging by the participation, is a useful and entertaining resource. Any way, standing by! We appreciate you, Stu!!! Rich. Rich Knowles INDIGO LF38 Halifax, NS. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stu's recent incident.
I think that's a great idea, Rich. I'll be sending in a donation. On 4 April 2013 20:31, Knowles Rich r...@sailpower.ca wrote: Hi Listers: Just a little note to suggest we all save a few pennies toward helping Stu out once he gets sorted with the insurance people. Hopefully he will recover well, but I am sure there will be some gaps which we may be able to fill. Stu, I know you will see this and I trust you will keep us up to date as you get things back together. If you do have to redo the site/software etc, it might also be an opportunity to consider developing it a bit to accommodate pictures etc. Just a thought. This forum and the site certainly increase the pleasure of owning a CC yacht, and, judging by the participation, is a useful and entertaining resource. Any way, standing by! We appreciate you, Stu!!! Rich. Rich Knowles INDIGO LF38 Halifax, NS. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
