Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

[sam . c . salter]

  
Good experiences; thanks for sharing.
Looks like two or three endorsements for the Max Prop; about the
same against the Martec; one for the Flexofold; ...and a Gori
replacing a Martec!
couple of questions:
How big a deal is the maintenance on the Max Prop?
Is it just a matter of greasing the prop every couple of years or is
there more? - I pull the boat out of the lake every October; so it
wouldn't be too much of a concern.
I still have the old prop on the shaft. Am I correct in assuming
that the taper is a standard SAE? I'm going to need to know for sure
before I order. (Probably safer to remove the prop and measure for
peace of mind!)
Any more information / experiences / insights welcome. samC&C 26. Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta 
‎‎On 10/20/2013 7:21 PM, Tim Goodyear
  wrote:


  
  Sam, I have a two blade Flex I Fold, which goes nicely
forwards and backwards and replaced a 2 blade non-geared Martec
that went sideways in reverse and sometimes went forward if the
blades opened together  (even after rebuilding).  The two do not
compare.
  
  
  Tim
  Mojito
  C&C 35-3
  Branford, CT
  
On Oct 20, 2013, at 7:10 PM, David Donnelly 
wrote:

  
  

  
  Sam I also have the 2 blade Martec and a 26. I have not
found poor performance in reverse but I don't do it a bunch
either. Can push just fine going forward.
  
  
  David
  
  
  
  
  
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   Original message 
  From: Harry Hallgring 
  
  Date: 10-20-2013 5:00 PM (GMT-07:00) 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props 
  
  
  Sam,
  I have a two blade folding Martec prop that goes 7 kts
forward and four kts directly sideways in reverse. Going
with a Gori this winter. 

Harry


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On Oct 19, 2013, at 20:21, Sam Salter 
wrote:

  
  

  
  This winters project is a folding/feathering prop.
  I've just sent off inquiries to:
  Flexofold
  Max Prop
  Slipstream
  
  Anyone got any comments/observations/likes/dislikes.
  Any experience good or bad with any type of
  folding/feathering prop would be useful.
  Any other manufacturers recommended.
  
  Now is your chance to get in on a real sailing topic -
  folding/feathering props OR rum!
  
  sam :-)
  C&C 26  Liquorice
  Ghost Lake  Alberta
  

  
  
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Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

[Rich Knowles]

Sam:  www.pyiinc.com will tell all and may well be your best source too.  You 
may be able to find a used or reconditioned unit. 

Maintenance on mine has been annual greasing and zinc replacement. 14 years, no 
problems. 

Rich

> On Oct 21, 2013, at 5:02, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Good experiences; thanks for sharing.
> Looks like two or three endorsements for the Max Prop; about the same against 
> the Martec; one for the Flexofold; ...and a Gori replacing a Martec!
> couple of questions:
> How big a deal is the maintenance on the Max Prop?
> Is it just a matter of greasing the prop every couple of years or is there 
> more? - I pull the boat out of the lake every October; so it wouldn't be too 
> much of a concern.
> I still have the old prop on the shaft. Am I correct in assuming that the 
> taper is a standard SAE? I'm going to need to know for sure before I order. 
> (Probably safer to remove the prop and measure for peace of mind!)
> Any more information / experiences / insights welcome. 
> 
> sam
> C&C 26. Liquorice 
> Ghost Lake Alberta 
> 
> 
> ‎‎On 10/20/2013 7:21 PM, Tim Goodyear wrote:
>> Sam, I have a two blade Flex I Fold, which goes nicely forwards and 
>> backwards and replaced a 2 blade non-geared Martec that went sideways in 
>> reverse and sometimes went forward if the blades opened together  (even 
>> after rebuilding).  The two do not compare.
>> 
>> Tim
>> Mojito
>> C&C 35-3
>> Branford, CT
>> 
>> On Oct 20, 2013, at 7:10 PM, David Donnelly  wrote:
>> 
>>> Sam I also have the 2 blade Martec and a 26. I have not found poor 
>>> performance in reverse but I don't do it a bunch either. Can push just fine 
>>> going forward.
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Harry Hallgring  
>>> Date: 10-20-2013 5:00 PM (GMT-07:00) 
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sam,
>>> I have a two blade folding Martec prop that goes 7 kts forward and four kts 
>>> directly sideways in reverse. Going with a Gori this winter. 
>>> 
>>> Harry
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6Beta
>>> 
>>> On Oct 19, 2013, at 20:21, Sam Salter  wrote:
>>> 
 This winters project is a folding/feathering prop.
 I've just sent off inquiries to:
 Flexofold
 Max Prop
 Slipstream
 
 Anyone got any comments/observations/likes/dislikes.
 Any experience good or bad with any type of folding/feathering prop would 
 be useful.
 Any other manufacturers recommended.
 
 Now is your chance to get in on a real sailing topic - folding/feathering 
 props OR rum!
 
 sam :-)
 C&C 26  Liquorice
 Ghost Lake  Alberta
 
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Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

[Bill Coleman]

The Gori Three Blade?

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 animated_favicon1

 

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Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:01 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

 

Sam,

I have a two blade folding Martec prop that goes 7 kts forward and four kts
directly sideways in reverse. Going with a Gori this winter. 

Harry

 

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Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

[Steve Thomas]

Sam, 
 I found a used geared Gori for my 27 and it works fine in forward and 
reverse. I had hoped to find a 3 blade folder of some kind to minimise 
vibration but when I checked the manufacturers specifications there were none 
available in a small enough diameter. That was a few years ago so it might not 
be true now.  

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
 
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sam.c.sal...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 4:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props


Good experiences; thanks for sharing.
Looks like two or three endorsements for the Max Prop; about the same against 
the Martec; one for the Flexofold; ...and a Gori replacing a Martec!
couple of questions:
How big a deal is the maintenance on the Max Prop?
Is it just a matter of greasing the prop every couple of years or is there 
more? - I pull the boat out of the lake every October; so it wouldn't be too 
much of a concern.
I still have the old prop on the shaft. Am I correct in assuming that the taper 
is a standard SAE? I'm going to need to know for sure before I order. (Probably 
safer to remove the prop and measure for peace of mind!)
Any more information / experiences / insights welcome. 


sam
C&C 26. Liquorice 
Ghost Lake Alberta 




‎‎On 10/20/2013 7:21 PM, Tim Goodyear wrote: 
  Sam, I have a two blade Flex I Fold, which goes nicely forwards and backwards 
and replaced a 2 blade non-geared Martec that went sideways in reverse and 
sometimes went forward if the blades opened together  (even after rebuilding).  
The two do not compare.


  Tim
  Mojito
  C&C 35-3
  Branford, CT

  On Oct 20, 2013, at 7:10 PM, David Donnelly  wrote:


Sam I also have the 2 blade Martec and a 26. I have not found poor 
performance in reverse but I don't do it a bunch either. Can push just fine 
going forward.


David




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 Original message 
From: Harry Hallgring  
Date: 10-20-2013 5:00 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props 



Sam,
I have a two blade folding Martec prop that goes 7 kts forward and four kts 
directly sideways in reverse. Going with a Gori this winter. 

Harry 


Sent from my iPhone 6Beta

On Oct 19, 2013, at 20:21, Sam Salter  wrote:


  This winters project is a folding/feathering prop.
  I've just sent off inquiries to:
  Flexofold
  Max Prop
  Slipstream

  Anyone got any comments/observations/likes/dislikes.
  Any experience good or bad with any type of folding/feathering prop would 
be useful.
  Any other manufacturers recommended.

  Now is your chance to get in on a real sailing topic - folding/feathering 
props OR rum!

  sam :-)
  C&C 26  Liquorice
  Ghost Lake  Alberta


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Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

[Paul Fountain]

Sam,

 

Another vote for Flex-o-fold. Put a 2 blade on Perception after we repowered 
and love it, replaced a 3 blade Campbell Sailor – and great in forward and 
reverse.

 

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Sent: October-21-13 4:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

 

Good experiences; thanks for sharing.
Looks like two or three endorsements for the Max Prop; about the same against 
the Martec; one for the Flexofold; ...and a Gori replacing a Martec!
couple of questions:
How big a deal is the maintenance on the Max Prop?
Is it just a matter of greasing the prop every couple of years or is there 
more? - I pull the boat out of the lake every October; so it wouldn't be too 
much of a concern.
I still have the old prop on the shaft. Am I correct in assuming that the taper 
is a standard SAE? I'm going to need to know for sure before I order. (Probably 
safer to remove the prop and measure for peace of mind!)
Any more information / experiences / insights welcome. 

 

sam

C&C 26. Liquorice 

Ghost Lake Alberta 

 

 

‎‎On 10/20/2013 7:21 PM, Tim Goodyear wrote: 

Sam, I have a two blade Flex I Fold, which goes nicely forwards and backwards 
and replaced a 2 blade non-geared Martec that went sideways in reverse and 
sometimes went forward if the blades opened together  (even after rebuilding).  
The two do not compare.

 

Tim

Mojito

C&C 35-3

Branford, CT


On Oct 20, 2013, at 7:10 PM, David Donnelly  wrote:

Sam I also have the 2 blade Martec and a 26. I have not found poor performance 
in reverse but I don't do it a bunch either. Can push just fine going forward.

 

David

 

 

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 Original message 
From: Harry Hallgring  
Date: 10-20-2013 5:00 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props 



Sam,

I have a two blade folding Martec prop that goes 7 kts forward and four kts 
directly sideways in reverse. Going with a Gori this winter. 

Harry 

 

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On Oct 19, 2013, at 20:21, Sam Salter  wrote:

This winters project is a folding/feathering prop.
I've just sent off inquiries to:
Flexofold
Max Prop
Slipstream

Anyone got any comments/observations/likes/dislikes.
Any experience good or bad with any type of folding/feathering prop would be 
useful.
Any other manufacturers recommended.

Now is your chance to get in on a real sailing topic - folding/feathering props 
OR rum!

sam :-)
C&C 26  Liquorice
Ghost Lake  Alberta

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Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

[Jerome Tauber]

 There is a new Kiwi company out of New Zeland making composite feathering 
props getting rave reviews.  A friend put one on his Sweden 38 and says he 
gained a half knot under sail and power.   Here is the contact info.   Web site 
- http://www.kiwiprops.co.nz/cms/index.php,  

POSTAL ADDRESS: 
FACTORY LOCATION:
Kiwi Feather Props Ltd   12 c  Homestead 
Drive, Mt Wellington,AK  1072

PO Box  25-367
St Heliers  Bay
Auckland 1740,  NEW  ZEALAND
  

email:   Email Kiwiprops
   GMT  + 12 hours
Phone:   +64 9 5757 975
Factory: +64 9 5745 606


 

 

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From: Steve Thomas 
To: cnc-list 
Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2013 8:18 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props



Sam, 
 I found a used geared Gori for my 27 and it works fine in forward and 
reverse. I had hoped to find a 3 blade folder of some kind to minimise 
vibration but when I checked the manufacturers specifications there were none 
available in a small enough diameter. That was a few years ago so it might not 
be true now.  
 
Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
 
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of 
sam.c.sal...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 4:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props


Good experiences; thanks for sharing.
Looks like two or three endorsements for the Max Prop; about the same against 
the Martec; one for the Flexofold; ...and a Gori replacing a Martec!
couple of questions:
How big a deal is the maintenance on the Max Prop?
Is it just a matter of greasing the prop every couple of years or is there 
more? - I pull the boat out of the lake every October; so it wouldn't be too 
much of a concern.
I still have the old prop on the shaft. Am I correct in assuming that the taper 
is a standard SAE? I'm going to need to know for sure before I order. (Probably 
safer to remove the prop and measure for peace of mind!)
Any more information / experiences / insights welcome. 


sam
C&C 26. Liquorice 
Ghost Lake Alberta 




‎‎On 10/20/2013 7:21 PM, Tim Goodyear wrote: 

Sam, I have a two blade Flex I Fold, which goes nicely   forwards and backwards 
and replaced a 2 blade non-geared Martec that went   sideways in reverse and 
sometimes went forward if the blades opened together(even after 
rebuilding).  The two do not compare.
  


  
Tim
  
Mojito
  
C&C 35-3
  
Branford, CT
  

On Oct 20, 2013, at 7:10 PM, David Donnelly  wrote:


  


Sam I also have the 2 blade Martec and a 26. I have not found poor 
performance in reverse but I don't do it a bunch either. Can push just fine 
going forward.




David








Sent from Samsung Mobile



 Original message 
From: Harry Hallgring  
Date: 10-20-2013 5:00 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props 



Sam,

I have a two blade folding Martec prop that goes 7 kts forward and four kts 
directly sideways in reverse. Going with a Gori this winter. 

Harry 



Sent from my iPhone 6Beta


On Oct 19, 2013, at 20:21, Sam Salter  wrote:



  
This winters project is a folding/feathering prop.
I've just sent   off inquiries to:
Flexofold
Max Prop
Slipstream

Anyone got   any comments/observations/likes/dislikes.
Any experience good or bad   with any type of folding/feathering prop would 
be useful.
Any other   manufacturers recommended.

Now is your chance to get in on a real   sailing topic - folding/feathering 
props OR rum!

sam   :-)
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Ghost Lake  Alberta



  
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Re: Stus-List Reply - Spar Crane

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Hi Damien,How was your season?  It was WAY too short!  I just asked for a haul 
out today...  Now we wait... I'm planning a new waste system installation this 
winter and I'm wonder how your boat is set up.  Where the tank is, how it is 
piped, blah blah blah... I'm just looking for ideas in designing mine so, any 
pics would be awesome.  I'll document my project.   My handrails, traveler base 
and hatch boards came out really nice!  I'd love to redo all the interior but 
it seems like quite and undertaking.  If I were closer to the boat it would be 
different.  It is the whole needing 8 coats, One coat per day, in the right 
temperatures that make it a difficult and time consuming process.  If I could 
figure a way to keep the boat warm safely it would be great.  Then Temp would 
not be an issue.  Anyway the head is the priority right now.  I hate the system 
in place currently... I googled you yacht club!  That looks like a nice 
protected spot and very close to what looks like some great sailing waters!! 
Hope all is well with you. Danny

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Subject: Stus-List Reply - Spar Crane
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 13:58:52 -0230


Our club, Bay of Islands YC in Corner Brook, Newfoundland has a dock side 
service crane with a capacity of about 1,200 lbs. �Members are free to 
use it as needed and most of us partner up with a few people to get our masts 
up or down each season. � �The club also has 2 front end loader 
tractors and a hydraulic trailer that launches or hauls out our boats as 
needed. � This is operated by our members and each of us have to sign a 
waiver against seeking damage compensation. � We each pay $130 per use 
for the tractor and trailer to take care of our boats. � Our club is 
looking into mandatory insurance on the boats. � It's crazy to think 
many of the boat owners do not carry insurance. � A lot of the club work 
is done by volunteers and that all helps to keep fees low. � We all get 
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Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Okay guys, I'm planning a new waste system.  I'm going with the Raritan PHC 
head and a new holding tank.  I currently have a very old Jabsco head and a 
bladder holding tank.  I really don't like the bladder.  It has worked okay 
but, one day it will fail and it will be disgusting!  I just want rid of it... 
I'm looking for ideas on the design.  i.e.  Where to install the tank and how 
to pipe it.  I've been reading and I was thinking to try and install about a 
16-18 gallon tank, that conforms to the hull, behind the head.  However, after 
a closer look on Saturday, I'm not sure there is enough room there.  I was kind 
of hoping to install it there in order to pipe up a gravity drain for when I'm 
in an area where that is possible.  This would also keep the hose runs very 
short and I could easily vent and pipe the pump-out fitting in the side deck 
above. Of course that would have the need of piping up hill to get into the 
tank and make it a bit harder to clear the waste from the hose with every 
flush.  Then I heard it might be better to have the waste run downhill to the 
tank.  That would create the need of pumping overboard if I were in an area 
that allowed it and the need of another pump.   I'm not exactly sure how the 
pump-out system works when having it done at a pump-out station.  Is it a 
fitting that attaches to the deck fitting and sucks it up the hose or, do they 
run a smaller hose down into the tank and suck it directly out with their hose? 
Anyway,  As always, any and all advice, insights and colorful comments are 
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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

[Joel Aronson]

Danny,

Good luck!
>From the head - discharge hose to Y valve.  One branch to a thru-hull, one
to the tank.  The one to the tank needs a loop in it so it is above the
water line at all times.  The pump out connection is at the bottom of the
tank and runs to a deck fitting. The pump-out fitting sits the marinas use
inside the lip of the deck fitting and sucks out everything from there.
 The head will do all the work, no other pumps needed.

Where are you going that discharge is legal?

Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:27 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

> Okay guys,
>
> I'm planning a new waste system.  I'm going with the Raritan PHC head and
> a new holding tank.  I currently have a very old Jabsco head and a bladder
> holding tank.  I really don't like the bladder.  It has worked okay but,
> one day it will fail and it will be disgusting!  I just want rid of it...
>
> I'm looking for ideas on the design.  i.e.  Where to install the tank and
> how to pipe it.  I've been reading and I was thinking to try and install
> about a 16-18 gallon tank, that conforms to the hull, behind the head.
>  However, after a closer look on Saturday, I'm not sure there is enough
> room there.  I was kind of hoping to install it there in order to pipe up a
> gravity drain for when I'm in an area where that is possible.  This would
> also keep the hose runs very short and I could easily vent and pipe the
> pump-out fitting in the side deck above.
>
> Of course that would have the need of piping up hill to get into the tank
> and make it a bit harder to clear the waste from the hose with every flush.
>  Then I heard it might be better to have the waste run downhill to the
> tank.  That would create the need of pumping overboard if I were in an area
> that allowed it and the need of another pump.
>
> I'm not exactly sure how the pump-out system works when having it done at
> a pump-out station.  Is it a fitting that attaches to the deck fitting and
> sucks it up the hose or, do they run a smaller hose down into the tank and
> suck it directly out with their hose?
>
> Anyway,  As always, any and all advice, insights and colorful comments are
> appreciated!
>
> Danny
> Lolita
> 1973 Viking 33
> Westport Point, MA
>
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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

[Jim Watts]

Pump-out fittings are a friction fit with the deck outlet. They scare the
hell out of me.
The last one I used, the previous user had turned the open/close lever at
the business end to close before turning the pump off. This left the hose
full of waste up to the shutoff. When I cracked the valve to pump out our
tank, there was some seriously explosive decompression and somebody else's *
stuff* flew everywhere.
I'm glad I don't have to use pumpouts very often, overboard discharge is
still legal most places in Canada; I still make sure it's deep,
fast-flowing water far from land.


On 21 October 2013 08:27, djhaug...@juno.com  wrote:

> Okay guys,
>
> I'm planning a new waste system.  I'm going with the Raritan PHC head and
> a new holding tank.  I currently have a very old Jabsco head and a bladder
> holding tank.  I really don't like the bladder.  It has worked okay but,
> one day it will fail and it will be disgusting!  I just want rid of it...
>
> I'm looking for ideas on the design.  i.e.  Where to install the tank and
> how to pipe it.  I've been reading and I was thinking to try and install
> about a 16-18 gallon tank, that conforms to the hull, behind the head.
>  However, after a closer look on Saturday, I'm not sure there is enough
> room there.  I was kind of hoping to install it there in order to pipe up a
> gravity drain for when I'm in an area where that is possible.  This would
> also keep the hose runs very short and I could easily vent and pipe the
> pump-out fitting in the side deck above.
>
> Of course that would have the need of piping up hill to get into the tank
> and make it a bit harder to clear the waste from the hose with every flush.
>  Then I heard it might be better to have the waste run downhill to the
> tank.  That would create the need of pumping overboard if I were in an area
> that allowed it and the need of another pump.
>
> I'm not exactly sure how the pump-out system works when having it done at
> a pump-out station.  Is it a fitting that attaches to the deck fitting and
> sucks it up the hose or, do they run a smaller hose down into the tank and
> suck it directly out with their hose?
>
> Anyway,  As always, any and all advice, insights and colorful comments are
> appreciated!
>
> Danny
> Lolita
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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

[Andrew Burton]

Check this out> Skip did exactly the holding tank installation you're
talking about on his C&C 40. The pump out is on deck and when he's offshore
it drains straight out without a macerator pump.

http://sailingsaralane.blogspot.com/2012/11/systems-review-warningpotentially-boring.html

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Jim Watts  wrote:

> Pump-out fittings are a friction fit with the deck outlet. They scare the
> hell out of me.
> The last one I used, the previous user had turned the open/close lever at
> the business end to close before turning the pump off. This left the hose
> full of waste up to the shutoff. When I cracked the valve to pump out our
> tank, there was some seriously explosive decompression and somebody else's
> *stuff* flew everywhere.
> I'm glad I don't have to use pumpouts very often, overboard discharge is
> still legal most places in Canada; I still make sure it's deep,
> fast-flowing water far from land.
>
>
> On 21 October 2013 08:27, djhaug...@juno.com  wrote:
>
>> Okay guys,
>>
>> I'm planning a new waste system.  I'm going with the Raritan PHC head and
>> a new holding tank.  I currently have a very old Jabsco head and a bladder
>> holding tank.  I really don't like the bladder.  It has worked okay but,
>> one day it will fail and it will be disgusting!  I just want rid of it...
>>
>> I'm looking for ideas on the design.  i.e.  Where to install the tank and
>> how to pipe it.  I've been reading and I was thinking to try and install
>> about a 16-18 gallon tank, that conforms to the hull, behind the head.
>>  However, after a closer look on Saturday, I'm not sure there is enough
>> room there.  I was kind of hoping to install it there in order to pipe up a
>> gravity drain for when I'm in an area where that is possible.  This would
>> also keep the hose runs very short and I could easily vent and pipe the
>> pump-out fitting in the side deck above.
>>
>> Of course that would have the need of piping up hill to get into the tank
>> and make it a bit harder to clear the waste from the hose with every flush.
>>  Then I heard it might be better to have the waste run downhill to the
>> tank.  That would create the need of pumping overboard if I were in an area
>> that allowed it and the need of another pump.
>>
>> I'm not exactly sure how the pump-out system works when having it done at
>> a pump-out station.  Is it a fitting that attaches to the deck fitting and
>> sucks it up the hose or, do they run a smaller hose down into the tank and
>> suck it directly out with their hose?
>>
>> Anyway,  As always, any and all advice, insights and colorful comments
>> are appreciated!
>>
>> Danny
>> Lolita
>> 1973 Viking 33
>> Westport Point, MA
>>
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Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

[Harry Hallgring]

Bill,
I haven't speced the prop yet...I'm still in the water. I don't do many engine 
hours at all during the season other than out to the islands...never fails that 
there's no wind on the days I go!  I chose Gori partly because they are here on 
the island and we deal with them regularly. 

Harry

Sent from my iPhone 6Beta

> On Oct 21, 2013, at 8:15, Bill Coleman  wrote:
> 
> The Gori Three Blade?
>  
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39 
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Harry 
> Hallgring
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:01 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props
>  
> Sam,
> I have a two blade folding Martec prop that goes 7 kts forward and four kts 
> directly sideways in reverse. Going with a Gori this winter. 
> 
> Harry
>  
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Stus-List Max prop

[Bob]

Maxprop maintenance is easy. They say to grease every couple of years but so
simple to do every year.

Have a three-bladed one and find the extra value offsets the extra cost.

 

Bob Morgan

Quicksea

C&C37

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Stus-List Season's Over

[Edd Schillay]

All,

Sad to report the Enterprise's 2013 season has ended -- she was hauled 
with the tide on Saturday. Write-up and pictures are on the Captain's Log blog.

Thanks to all for the wealth of information and cyber-friendships. I'm 
already looking forward to a great 2014 of C&C sailing. 


All the best,

Edd


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Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website

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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

[Don Siddall]

Just to clarify a point...In Canada only on the ocean coasts may 
overboard discharge be legal. In the Great Lakes, and the inland lakes 
of Ontario, not to many years ago, boaters faced impeding legislation 
that would have required all water from your boat collected and disposed 
of in an appropriate manner. This included, of course, water from the 
sink. But there was some question if it would also include the water 
used to wash your deck. Only after considerable discussion was the 
planned legislation abandoned.


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Re: Stus-List Season's Over

[Curtis]

Hate to here that. The sailers over at Port Royal Landing marina will
be doing a Star gazing weekend on the weekend of the November 9th.
temptures will be inb the upper 60's at night and in the lower 80's in
the afternoon. We never stop sailing in the Lowcountry of South
carolina. I am going to read your log.  2014 will wring back fair
winds to your area.

Cheers Capt. Curt



On 10/21/13, Edd Schillay  wrote:
> All,
>
>   Sad to report the Enterprise's 2013 season has ended -- she was hauled 
> with
> the tide on Saturday. Write-up and pictures are on the Captain's Log blog.
>
>   Thanks to all for the wealth of information and cyber-friendships. I'm
> already looking forward to a great 2014 of C&C sailing.
>
>   
>   All the best,
>
>   Edd
>
>
>   Edd M. Schillay
>   Starship Enterprise
>   C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>   City Island, NY
>   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
>
>


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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

[Jim Watts]

Very true Don, and I should have specified coastal areas. I keep forgetting
about the wet bits in the middle.
The grey water collection and pumpout scheme fell apart only after a lot of
explaining the physics involved (and public ridicule) to chair-warmers in
Ottawa. Even now, there's only about 30 pumpouts between Victoria and
Campbell River, and most of those are in Vancouver.


On 21 October 2013 09:24, Don Siddall  wrote:

> Just to clarify a point...In Canada only on the ocean coasts may overboard
> discharge be legal. In the Great Lakes, and the inland lakes of Ontario,
> not to many years ago, boaters faced impeding legislation that would have
> required all water from your boat collected and disposed of in an
> appropriate manner. This included, of course, water from the sink. But
> there was some question if it would also include the water used to wash
> your deck. Only after considerable discussion was the planned legislation
> abandoned.
>
> Don
>
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Re: Stus-List Season's Over

[Della Barba, Joe]

Darn!
We had a great weekend up in the Corsica and our club had our annual dinner 
Sunday night. The boat is still there, so we'll have another weekend up there 
and home next Sunday. Some years we get good sailing in November and December, 
other years not so much. The way to know which way it goes is to watch my boat. 
If the boat is taken apart for repair projects it will be warm and sunny 
through New Year's Day. If the boat is ready to go we will get snow and ice.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Season's Over

Hate to here that. The sailers over at Port Royal Landing marina will be doing 
a Star gazing weekend on the weekend of the November 9th.
temptures will be inb the upper 60's at night and in the lower 80's in the 
afternoon. We never stop sailing in the Lowcountry of South carolina. I am 
going to read your log.  2014 will wring back fair winds to your area.

Cheers Capt. Curt



On 10/21/13, Edd Schillay  wrote:
> All,
>
>   Sad to report the Enterprise's 2013 season has ended -- she was 
> hauled with the tide on Saturday. Write-up and pictures are on the Captain's 
> Log blog.
>
>   Thanks to all for the wealth of information and cyber-friendships. 
> I'm already looking forward to a great 2014 of C&C sailing.
>
>   
>   All the best,
>
>   Edd
>
>
>   Edd M. Schillay
>   Starship Enterprise
>   C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>   City Island, NY
>   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
>
>


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Re: Stus-List Season's Over

[Joel Aronson]

Edd,

A sad day indeed!  5 more weeks for me - come to Annapolis!  Yesterday was
awesome.
The Admiral is working on Thanksgiving, so weather permitting, I'm planning
to honor the pilgrims by sailing rather than eating.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:

> All,
>
> Sad to report the Enterprise's 2013 season has ended -- she was hauled
> with the tide on Saturday. Write-up and pictures are on the Captain's Log
> blog.
>
> Thanks to all for the wealth of information and cyber-friendships. I'm
> already looking forward to a great 2014 of C&C sailing.
>
>  All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
>
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Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

[Martin DeYoung]

I second Rich’s comments regarding MAX prop maintenance and how contacting PYI 
Inc plus reading the info on their web site as being helpful in the prop type 
decision.

We did modify Calypso’s prop shaft slightly to install our MAX prop.  We did 
this back in 1999 but IIRC we cut ½” off the threaded end to match the MAX Prop 
installation specs.  Follow the guidelines for insuring the taper and key allow 
complete seating of the prop to avoid extra vibration and wear.

Calypso is in salt water all year.  I use Pettit’s Barnacle Barrier zinc paint 
to protect from cold water growth.  I use the MAX prop zinc plus 2 shaft zincs 
(sacrificial anodes).  I dive to check the prop and zincs twice a year and haul 
out every two years on average.  Being in fresh water for the sailing season 
and out for winter, your maintenance should be significantly easier.  If your 
boat yard has issues with theft consider removing the MAX prop for the winter 
to avoid it being stolen for the scrap value.  The prop is easily removed and 
re-installed, blades only even easier.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 2:04 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

Sam:  www.pyiinc.com will tell all and may well be your 
best source too.  You may be able to find a used or reconditioned unit.

Maintenance on mine has been annual greasing and zinc replacement. 14 years, no 
problems.

Rich

On Oct 21, 2013, at 5:02, sam.c.sal...@gmail.com 
wrote:
Good experiences; thanks for sharing.
Looks like two or three endorsements for the Max Prop; about the same against 
the Martec; one for the Flexofold; ...and a Gori replacing a Martec!
couple of questions:
How big a deal is the maintenance on the Max Prop?
Is it just a matter of greasing the prop every couple of years or is there 
more? - I pull the boat out of the lake every October; so it wouldn't be too 
much of a concern.
I still have the old prop on the shaft. Am I correct in assuming that the taper 
is a standard SAE? I'm going to need to know for sure before I order. (Probably 
safer to remove the prop and measure for peace of mind!)
Any more information / experiences / insights welcome.

sam
C&C 26. Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

[Frederick G Street]

Well, from the looks of things they may not stay wet for long around here… it 
snowed over the weekend.   :^(

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Oct 21, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Jim Watts  wrote:

> I keep forgetting about the wet bits in the middle.

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Re: Stus-List Season's Over

[Stevan Plavsa]

Suhana was hauled (just barely) on Saturday. Our club has some water level
issues . Suhana and two other boats share the distinction of drawing
the most water. Watching people poke their way to the dock was inspiring.
Barely got the slings under her keel.

One of the last boats out .. Puttered around the anchorage for a good two
hours in the cold rain waiting my turn .. which kept getting pushed back!
So much for being prepared. With the dodger off I've discovered that the
hatch cover is leaking so that's on the list for a reseal.

It was a good season.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Joel Aronson wrote:

> Edd,
>
> A sad day indeed!  5 more weeks for me - come to Annapolis!  Yesterday was
> awesome.
> The Admiral is working on Thanksgiving, so weather permitting, I'm
> planning to honor the pilgrims by sailing rather than eating.
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Sad to report the Enterprise's 2013 season has ended -- she was hauled
>> with the tide on Saturday. Write-up and pictures are on the Captain's Log
>> blog.
>>
>> Thanks to all for the wealth of information and cyber-friendships. I'm
>> already looking forward to a great 2014 of C&C sailing.
>>
>>  All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>>
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>>  City Island, NY
>>  Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>> Website
>>
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Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

[Gary Nylander]

Happy with my Flex o Fold. Quality construction (better machining than others) 
- works well because it is geared so it opens every time, forward and reverse.

Gary Nylander
30-1 
Chesapeake
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sam Salter 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 8:21 PM
  Subject: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props


  This winters project is a folding/feathering prop.
  I've just sent off inquiries to:
  Flexofold
  Max Prop
  Slipstream

  Anyone got any comments/observations/likes/dislikes.
  Any experience good or bad with any type of folding/feathering prop would be 
useful.
  Any other manufacturers recommended.

  Now is your chance to get in on a real sailing topic - folding/feathering 
props OR rum!

  sam :-)
  C&C 26  Liquorice
  Ghost Lake  Alberta




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Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

[Alex Giannelia]

t.com

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Sam,



Another vote for Flex-o-fold. Put a 2 blade on Perception after we repowered 
and love it, replaced a 3 blade Campbell Sailor ? and great in forward and 
reverse.



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sam.c.sal...@gmail.com
Sent: October-21-13 4:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props



Good experiences; thanks for sharing.
Looks like two or three endorsements for the Max Prop; about the same against 
the Martec; one for the Flexofold; ...and a Gori replacing a Martec!
couple of questions:
How big a deal is the maintenance on the Max Prop?
Is it just a matter of greasing the prop every couple of years or is there 
more? - I pull the boat out of the lake every October; so it wouldn't be too 
much of a concern.
I still have the old prop on the shaft. Am I correct in assuming that the taper 
is a standard SAE? I'm going to need to know for sure before I order. (Probably 
safer to remove the prop and measure for peace of mind!)
Any more information / experiences / insights welcome.



sam

C&C 26. Liquorice

Ghost Lake Alberta





??On 10/20/2013 7:21 PM, Tim Goodyear wrote:

Sam, I have a two blade Flex I Fold, which goes nicely forwards and backwards 
and replaced a 2 blade non-geared Martec that went sideways in reverse and 
sometimes went forward if the blades opened together  (even after rebuilding).  
The two do not compare.



Tim

Mojito

C&C 35-3

Branford, CT


On Oct 20, 2013, at 7:10 PM, David Donnelly  wrote:

Sam I also have the 2 blade Martec and a 26. I have not found poor performance 
in reverse but I don't do it a bunch either. Can push just fine going forward.



David





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 Original message 
From: Harry Hallgring 
Date: 10-20-2013 5:00 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props



Sam,

I have a two blade folding Martec prop that goes 7 kts forward and four kts 
directly sideways in reverse. Going with a Gori this winter.

Harry



Sent from my iPhone 6Beta


On Oct 19, 2013, at 20:21, Sam Salter  wrote:

This winters project is a folding/feathering prop.
I've just sent off inquiries to:
Flexofold
Max Prop
Slipstream

Anyone got any comments/observations/likes/dislikes.
Any experience good or bad with any type of folding/feathering prop would be 
useful.
Any other manufacturers recommended.

Now is your chance to get in on a real sailing topic - folding/feathering props 
OR rum!

sam :-)
C&C 26  Liquorice
Ghost Lake  Alberta

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 There is a new Kiwi company out of New Zeland making composite feathering 
props getting rave reviews.  A friend put one on his Sweden 38 and says he 
gained a half knot under sail and power.   Here is the contact info.   Web site 
- http://www.kiwiprops.co.nz/cms/index.php,

POSTAL ADDRESS: 
FACTORY LOCATION:
Kiwi Feather Props Ltd   12 c  Homestead 
Drive, Mt Wellington,AK  1072

PO Box  25-367
St Heliers  Bay
Auckland 1740,  NEW  ZEALAND


email:   Email Kiwiprops
   GMT  + 12 hours
Phone:   +64 9 5757 975
Factory: +64 9 5745 606






-Original 

Stus-List NOW SOLAR VENTS AGAIN

[Alex Giannelia]

I recall a whole thread a while ago concerning solar powered vents such as the 
NICRO day night I installed in my boat in 2003 which I believe has a dead 
battery amongst a few other minor problems.

Now for my question.  Can you get a solar vent which, like the NICRO pulls out 
of the deck fitting and can be capped, for example when racing etc?

I bought one on EBAY and left it in storage till it came time to look, and 
found that the one I bought gets bolted on, and stays there.

Cheers!

Alex
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Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

[Rich Knowles]

Out of sheer curiosity, Alex, how did you determine size and pitch of the new 
prop?

Rich

> On Oct 21, 2013, at 14:59, Alex Giannelia  wrote:
> 
> FWIW,
> 
> I had a 14x6 Martec at the end of an old WESTERBEKE 15HP diesel 
> pushing/pulling my CC35-II in and out of the slip and only when facing a real 
> tailwind backing out of my slip, did I have noticeable problems.
> 
> So, for my new Electric motor, I dove in and bought a MARTEC 14X12   and 
> will have to wait till spring to see if I go forward, sideways or backward.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> 
> Alex Giannelia
> CC 35-II 1974 to be renamed after re-launch
> TORONTO, Ontario
> 
> ag@@airsensing.com
> 
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Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

[Jerome Tauber]

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 21, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Jerome Tauber  wrote:

> There is a new Kiwi company out of New Zeland making composite feathering 
> props getting rave reviews.  A friend put one on his Sweden 38 and says he 
> gained a half knot under sail and power.   Here is the contact info.   Web 
> site - http://www.kiwiprops.co.nz/cms/index.php,  
> POSTAL ADDRESS: 
> FACTORY LOCATION:
> Kiwi Feather Props Ltd   12 c  Homestead 
> Drive, Mt Wellington,AK  1072
> PO Box  25-367
> St Heliers  Bay
> Auckland 1740,  NEW  ZEALAND
> 
> email: Email Kiwiprops
>GMT  + 12 hours
> Phone:   +64 9 5757 975
> Factory: +64 9 5745 606
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Thomas 
> To: cnc-list 
> Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2013 8:18 am
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props
> 
> Sam,
>  I found a used geared Gori for my 27 and it works fine in forward 
> and reverse. I had hoped to find a 3 blade folder of some kind to minimise 
> vibration but when I checked the manufacturers specifications there were none 
> available in a small enough diameter. That was a few years ago so it might 
> not be true now. 
>  
> Steve Thomas
> C&C27 MKIII
>  
>  -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of 
> sam.c.sal...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 4:02 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props
> 
> Good experiences; thanks for sharing.
> Looks like two or three endorsements for the Max Prop; about the same against 
> the Martec; one for the Flexofold; ...and a Gori replacing a Martec!
> couple of questions:
> How big a deal is the maintenance on the Max Prop?
> Is it just a matter of greasing the prop every couple of years or is there 
> more? - I pull the boat out of the lake every October; so it wouldn't be too 
> much of a concern.
> I still have the old prop on the shaft. Am I correct in assuming that the 
> taper is a standard SAE? I'm going to need to know for sure before I order. 
> (Probably safer to remove the prop and measure for peace of mind!)
> Any more information / experiences / insights welcome. 
> 
> sam
> C&C 26. Liquorice 
> Ghost Lake Alberta 
> 
> 
> ‎‎On 10/20/2013 7:21 PM, Tim Goodyear wrote:
>> Sam, I have a two blade Flex I Fold, which goes nicely forwards and 
>> backwards and replaced a 2 blade non-geared Martec that went sideways in 
>> reverse and sometimes went forward if the blades opened together  (even 
>> after rebuilding).  The two do not compare.
>> 
>> Tim
>> Mojito
>> C&C 35-3
>> Branford, CT
>> 
>> On Oct 20, 2013, at 7:10 PM, David Donnelly  wrote:
>> 
>>> Sam I also have the 2 blade Martec and a 26. I have not found poor 
>>> performance in reverse but I don't do it a bunch either. Can push just fine 
>>> going forward.
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Harry Hallgring  
>>> Date: 10-20-2013 5:00 PM (GMT-07:00) 
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sam,
>>> I have a two blade folding Martec prop that goes 7 kts forward and four kts 
>>> directly sideways in reverse. Going with a Gori this winter. 
>>> 
>>> Harry
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6Beta
>>> 
>>> On Oct 19, 2013, at 20:21, Sam Salter  wrote:
>>> 
 This winters project is a folding/feathering prop.
 I've just sent off inquiries to:
 Flexofold
 Max Prop
 Slipstream
 
 Anyone got any comments/observations/likes/dislikes.
 Any experience good or bad with any type of folding/feathering prop would 
 be useful.
 Any other manufacturers recommended.
 
 Now is your chance to get in on a real sailing topic - folding/feathering 
 props OR rum!
 
 sam :-)
 C&C 26  Liquorice
 Ghost Lake  Alberta
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Re: Stus-List Season's Over

[Ed Dooley]

We moved our C&C 24 around from our bay to the little marina to the north of
us for hauling on Saturday. We snagged a ball there and measured the water
depth. It was
5¹, which didn¹t make us feel too good with 4¹ draft. We finally found one
with 6¹, still not comforting. I don¹t know how owners can stand having
their boats in
such shallow water, even with it¹s soft bottom. The marina¹s cove opens to
the west northwest, and we get some wind that way; luckily we¹ve had south
winds while all this was happening.
Ed


From: Stevan Plavsa 
Suhana was hauled (just barely) on Saturday. Our club has some water level
issues . Suhana and two other boats share the distinction of drawing the
most water. Watching people poke their way to the dock was inspiring. Barely
got the slings under her keel.

One of the last boats out .. Puttered around the anchorage for a good two
hours in the cold rain waiting my turn .. which kept getting pushed back! So
much for being prepared. With the dodger off I've discovered that the hatch
cover is leaking so that's on the list for a reseal.

It was a good season.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Joel Aronson 
wrote:
> Edd,
> 
> A sad day indeed!  5 more weeks for me - come to Annapolis!  Yesterday was
> awesome.
> The Admiral is working on Thanksgiving, so weather permitting, I'm planning to
> honor the pilgrims by sailing rather than eating.
> 
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:
>> All,
>> 
>> Sad to report the Enterprise's 2013 season has ended -- she was hauled with
>> the tide on Saturday. Write-up and pictures are on the Captain's Log blog.
>> 
>> Thanks to all for the wealth of information and cyber-friendships. I'm
>> already looking forward to a great 2014 of C&C sailing. 
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Edd
>> 
>> 
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> City Island, NY 
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
>>  

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Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

[Kim Brown]

Danny,
 Waste thoughts: 
Head up then down (loop hose) into holding tank - don't want the whole load
set up to back siphon against that measly joker valve (buy a spare, change
often) Holding tank exit to y valve then either up and out to pumpout or via
a macerator pump through hull overboard.   While you can put y valve on the
other side that doesn't give you a way to dump the tank without a pumpout.
Sure you can discharge directly but even in an area that allows discharge it
is certainly not polite to do so in the anchorage/marina.  Gravity as a way
to dump is over rated- you want the tank low to keep the weight down which
means whatever portion of the tank is below the water line is not going
anywhere without help.  On my 35-3 waste tank is under v-berth and y valve
and macerator pump are mounted to the underside of v-berth getting them
above waterline (make sure macerator pump can 'run dry'). 

Kim Brown
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Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

[Chuck S]

Have the Max Prop two blade feathering prop. Great forward and reverse and 
braking. The prop is pricey but reliable. I looked at many other designs before 
settling on MaxProp. You set the pitch during installation, so you can increase 
or decrease on the next haul if necessary to tweak it. 

Maintenance is simple; grease at haulout (to push out any water & prevent 
freeze damage) and before launch to be sure prop is fully lubed. Not too big a 
deal. 
The prop has two set screws which you remove and replace with zercs. Then 
replace zercs with set screws before launch. I think greasing extends the life 
a great deal. 

I might consider a Flex-O-Fold. They seem beefy and well designed and a lot 
less money. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -
From: "sam c salter"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 4:02:14 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props 

Good experiences; thanks for sharing. 
Looks like two or three endorsements for the Max Prop; about the same against 
the Martec; one for the Flexofold; ...and a Gori replacing a Martec! 
couple of questions: 
How big a deal is the maintenance on the Max Prop? 
Is it just a matter of greasing the prop every couple of years or is there 
more? - I pull the boat out of the lake every October; so it wouldn't be too 
much of a concern. 
I still have the old prop on the shaft. Am I correct in assuming that the taper 
is a standard SAE? I'm going to need to know for sure before I order. (Probably 
safer to remove the prop and measure for peace of mind!) 
Any more information / experiences / insights welcome. 


sam 
C&C 26. Liquorice 
Ghost Lake Alberta 




‎‎On 10/20/2013 7:21 PM, Tim Goodyear wrote: 


Sam, I have a two blade Flex I Fold, which goes nicely forwards and backwards 
and replaced a 2 blade non-geared Martec that went sideways in reverse and 
sometimes went forward if the blades opened together (even after rebuilding). 
The two do not compare. 


Tim 
Mojito 
C&C 35-3 
Branford, CT 

On Oct 20, 2013, at 7:10 PM, David Donnelly < da...@gnuattitude.ca > wrote: 





Sam I also have the 2 blade Martec and a 26. I have not found poor performance 
in reverse but I don't do it a bunch either. Can push just fine going forward. 


David 





Sent from Samsung Mobile 


 Original message  
From: Harry Hallgring < hhallgr...@icloud.com > 
Date: 10-20-2013 5:00 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props 



Sam, 
I have a two blade folding Martec prop that goes 7 kts forward and four kts 
directly sideways in reverse. Going with a Gori this winter. 

Harry 


Sent from my iPhone 6Beta 

On Oct 19, 2013, at 20:21, Sam Salter < sam.c.sal...@gmail.com > wrote: 




This winters project is a folding/feathering prop. 
I've just sent off inquiries to: 
Flexofold 
Max Prop 
Slipstream 

Anyone got any comments/observations/likes/dislikes. 
Any experience good or bad with any type of folding/feathering prop would be 
useful. 
Any other manufacturers recommended. 

Now is your chance to get in on a real sailing topic - folding/feathering props 
OR rum! 

sam :-) 
C&C 26 Liquorice 
Ghost Lake Alberta 






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Re: Stus-List Season's Over

[Stevan Plavsa]

Suhana is on a mooring with plenty of water under her keel (something like
13 feet depth there) .. our club is moorings only and we have shared docks
for pickup/dropoff, pumpout, mast crane and such .. that's where it gets
shallow! That's also where we sling the boats for the crane. Plenty of
depth during the season but Lake Ontario loses a bunch of water this time
of year so it makes haul out tricky :(

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Ed Dooley  wrote:

>
> We moved our C&C 24 around from our bay to the little marina to the north
> of us for hauling on Saturday. We snagged a ball there and measured the
> water depth. It was
> 5’, which didn’t make us feel too good with 4’ draft. We finally found one
> with 6’, still not comforting. I don’t know how owners can stand having
> their boats in
> such shallow water, even with it’s soft bottom. The marina’s cove opens to
> the west northwest, and we get some wind that way; luckily we’ve had south
> winds while all this was happening.
> Ed
>
>
> *From: *Stevan Plavsa <*stevanpla...@gmail.com*>
>
> Suhana was hauled (just barely) on Saturday. Our club has some water level
> issues . Suhana and two other boats share the distinction of drawing
> the most water. Watching people poke their way to the dock was inspiring.
> Barely got the slings under her keel.
>
> One of the last boats out .. Puttered around the anchorage for a good two
> hours in the cold rain waiting my turn .. which kept getting pushed back!
> So much for being prepared. With the dodger off I've discovered that the
> hatch cover is leaking so that's on the list for a reseal.
>
> It was a good season.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Joel Aronson <*joel.aron...@gmail.com*>
> wrote:
>
> Edd,
>
> A sad day indeed!  5 more weeks for me - come to Annapolis!  Yesterday was
> awesome.
> The Admiral is working on Thanksgiving, so weather permitting, I'm
> planning to honor the pilgrims by sailing rather than eating.
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Edd Schillay <*e...@schillay.com*> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Sad to report the Enterprise's 2013 season has ended -- she was hauled
> with the tide on Saturday. Write-up and pictures are on the Captain's Log
> blog.
>
> Thanks to all for the wealth of information and cyber-friendships. I'm
> already looking forward to a great 2014 of C&C sailing.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website <*
> http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/*>
>
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Re: Stus-List Season's Over

[Della Barba, Joe]

Must be odd to have the ability for the water to go out...and not come 
back!

Joe Della Barba

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 3:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Season's Over

Suhana is on a mooring with plenty of water under her keel (something like 13 
feet depth there) .. our club is moorings only and we have shared docks for 
pickup/dropoff, pumpout, mast crane and such .. that's where it gets shallow! 
That's also where we sling the boats for the crane. Plenty of depth during the 
season but Lake Ontario loses a bunch of water this time of year so it makes 
haul out tricky :(

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Ed Dooley 
mailto:edoo...@madriver.com>> wrote:

We moved our C&C 24 around from our bay to the little marina to the north of us 
for hauling on Saturday. We snagged a ball there and measured the water depth. 
It was
5', which didn't make us feel too good with 4' draft. We finally found one with 
6', still not comforting. I don't know how owners can stand having their boats 
in
such shallow water, even with it's soft bottom. The marina's cove opens to the 
west northwest, and we get some wind that way; luckily we've had south winds 
while all this was happening.
Ed


From: Stevan Plavsa mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com>>

Suhana was hauled (just barely) on Saturday. Our club has some water level 
issues . Suhana and two other boats share the distinction of drawing the 
most water. Watching people poke their way to the dock was inspiring. Barely 
got the slings under her keel.

One of the last boats out .. Puttered around the anchorage for a good two hours 
in the cold rain waiting my turn .. which kept getting pushed back! So much for 
being prepared. With the dodger off I've discovered that the hatch cover is 
leaking so that's on the list for a reseal.

It was a good season.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Joel Aronson 
mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Edd,

A sad day indeed!  5 more weeks for me - come to Annapolis!  Yesterday was 
awesome.
The Admiral is working on Thanksgiving, so weather permitting, I'm planning to 
honor the pilgrims by sailing rather than eating.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Edd Schillay 
mailto:e...@schillay.com>> wrote:
All,

Sad to report the Enterprise's 2013 season has ended -- she was hauled with the 
tide on Saturday. Write-up and pictures are on the Captain's Log blog.

Thanks to all for the wealth of information and cyber-friendships. I'm already 
looking forward to a great 2014 of C&C sailing.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website 

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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Thanks for the responses.

Just outside of buzzards Bay is beyond the no discharge zone.  I've sailed out 
there quite a few times on nice breezy days.  It would only be a 30-40 minute 
sail on a good day if I really needed to dump some poo...

what is a reasonable sized holding tank.  I really don't want to be carrying 
around too much of that stuff.  I see new 40ish foot boats with 20 gal holding 
tanks...

I don't know what that bladder I have now holds but, I doubt it is more than 15 
gallons.

In our harbor the Harbor master will put you on a schedule and you can notify 
that you need a pumpout by placing blue tape on your pumpout fitting.  So I 
really would never need more than a week's worth of holding.

Danny


-- Original Message --
From: "Kim Brown" 
To: 
Subject: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 14:53:42 -0400

Danny,
 Waste thoughts: 
Head up then down (loop hose) into holding tank - don't want the whole load
set up to back siphon against that measly joker valve (buy a spare, change
often) Holding tank exit to y valve then either up and out to pumpout or via
a macerator pump through hull overboard.   While you can put y valve on the
other side that doesn't give you a way to dump the tank without a pumpout.
Sure you can discharge directly but even in an area that allows discharge it
is certainly not polite to do so in the anchorage/marina.  Gravity as a way
to dump is over rated- you want the tank low to keep the weight down which
means whatever portion of the tank is below the water line is not going
anywhere without help.  On my 35-3 waste tank is under v-berth and y valve
and macerator pump are mounted to the underside of v-berth getting them
above waterline (make sure macerator pump can 'run dry'). 

Kim Brown
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Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

[Jerome Tauber]

> There is a new Kiwi company out of New Zeland making composite feathering 
> props getting rave reviews.  A friend put one on his Sweden 38 and says he 
> gained a half knot under sail and power.   Here is the contact info.   Web 
> site -http://www.kiwiprops.co.nz/cms/index.php
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 21, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Chuck S  wrote:

> Have the Max Prop two blade feathering prop.  Great forward and reverse and 
> braking.  The prop is pricey but reliable.  I looked at many other designs 
> before settling on MaxProp.  You set the pitch during installation, so you 
> can increase or decrease on the next haul if necessary to tweak it.  
> 
> Maintenance is simple; grease at haulout (to push out any water & prevent 
> freeze damage) and before launch to be sure prop is fully lubed.  Not too big 
> a deal.
> The prop has two set screws which you remove and replace with zercs.  Then 
> replace zercs with set screws before launch.  I think greasing extends the 
> life a great deal.
> 
> I might consider a Flex-O-Fold.  They seem beefy and well designed and a lot 
> less money.  
> 
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
> From: "sam c salter" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 4:02:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props
> 
> Good experiences; thanks for sharing.
> Looks like two or three endorsements for the Max Prop; about the same against 
> the Martec; one for the Flexofold; ...and a Gori replacing a Martec!
> couple of questions:
> How big a deal is the maintenance on the Max Prop?
> Is it just a matter of greasing the prop every couple of years or is there 
> more? - I pull the boat out of the lake every October; so it wouldn't be too 
> much of a concern.
> I still have the old prop on the shaft. Am I correct in assuming that the 
> taper is a standard SAE? I'm going to need to know for sure before I order. 
> (Probably safer to remove the prop and measure for peace of mind!)
> Any more information / experiences / insights welcome. 
> 
> sam
> C&C 26. Liquorice 
> Ghost Lake Alberta 
> 
> 
> ‎‎On 10/20/2013 7:21 PM, Tim Goodyear wrote:
> Sam, I have a two blade Flex I Fold, which goes nicely forwards and backwards 
> and replaced a 2 blade non-geared Martec that went sideways in reverse and 
> sometimes went forward if the blades opened together  (even after 
> rebuilding).  The two do not compare.
> 
> Tim
> Mojito
> C&C 35-3
> Branford, CT
> 
> On Oct 20, 2013, at 7:10 PM, David Donnelly  wrote:
> 
> Sam I also have the 2 blade Martec and a 26. I have not found poor 
> performance in reverse but I don't do it a bunch either. Can push just fine 
> going forward.
> 
> David
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
> 
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Harry Hallgring  
> Date: 10-20-2013 5:00 PM (GMT-07:00) 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props 
> 
> 
> Sam,
> I have a two blade folding Martec prop that goes 7 kts forward and four kts 
> directly sideways in reverse. Going with a Gori this winter. 
> 
> Harry
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6Beta
> 
> On Oct 19, 2013, at 20:21, Sam Salter  wrote:
> 
> This winters project is a folding/feathering prop.
> I've just sent off inquiries to:
> Flexofold
> Max Prop
> Slipstream
> 
> Anyone got any comments/observations/likes/dislikes.
> Any experience good or bad with any type of folding/feathering prop would be 
> useful.
> Any other manufacturers recommended.
> 
> Now is your chance to get in on a real sailing topic - folding/feathering 
> props OR rum!
> 
> sam :-)
> C&C 26  Liquorice
> Ghost Lake  Alberta
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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

[Joel Aronson]

Danny,

The 35/3 came with a 24 gallon tank.  I pump out 1 or 2 times a season.
 The brochures on the website list tankage for various models.

BTW, don't forget a vent!

Joel


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

> Thanks for the responses.
>
> Just outside of buzzards Bay is beyond the no discharge zone.  I've sailed
> out there quite a few times on nice breezy days.  It would only be a 30-40
> minute sail on a good day if I really needed to dump some poo...
>
> what is a reasonable sized holding tank.  I really don't want to be
> carrying around too much of that stuff.  I see new 40ish foot boats with 20
> gal holding tanks...
>
> I don't know what that bladder I have now holds but, I doubt it is more
> than 15 gallons.
>
> In our harbor the Harbor master will put you on a schedule and you can
> notify that you need a pumpout by placing blue tape on your pumpout
> fitting.  So I really would never need more than a week's worth of holding.
>
> Danny
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Kim Brown" 
> To: 
> Subject: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.
> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 14:53:42 -0400
>
> Danny,
>  Waste thoughts:
> Head up then down (loop hose) into holding tank - don't want the whole load
> set up to back siphon against that measly joker valve (buy a spare, change
> often) Holding tank exit to y valve then either up and out to pumpout or
> via
> a macerator pump through hull overboard.   While you can put y valve on the
> other side that doesn't give you a way to dump the tank without a pumpout.
> Sure you can discharge directly but even in an area that allows discharge
> it
> is certainly not polite to do so in the anchorage/marina.  Gravity as a way
> to dump is over rated- you want the tank low to keep the weight down which
> means whatever portion of the tank is below the water line is not going
> anywhere without help.  On my 35-3 waste tank is under v-berth and y valve
> and macerator pump are mounted to the underside of v-berth getting them
> above waterline (make sure macerator pump can 'run dry').
>
> Kim Brown
> TrustMe!!! 35-3
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Re: Stus-List Season's Over

[Ed Dooley]

:-)  We still jokingly call it a tide on Lake Champlain, but one that only
is high or low once per year, and it¹s a 10¹ or less tide.
Ed



> From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
> 
Must be odd to have the ability for the water to go outŠŠŠ..and not come
back!
 
Joe Della Barba
 
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Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 3:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Season's Over
 

Suhana is on a mooring with plenty of water under her keel (something like
13 feet depth there) .. our club is moorings only and we have shared docks
for pickup/dropoff, pumpout, mast crane and such .. that's where it gets
shallow! That's also where we sling the boats for the crane. Plenty of depth
during the season but Lake Ontario loses a bunch of water this time of year
so it makes haul out tricky :(

 

Steve

Suhana, C&C 32

Toronto

 

 

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Ed Dooley  wrote:


We moved our C&C 24 around from our bay to the little marina to the north of
us for hauling on Saturday. We snagged a ball there and measured the water
depth. It was
5¹, which didn¹t make us feel too good with 4¹ draft. We finally found one
with 6¹, still not comforting. I don¹t know how owners can stand having
their boats in
such shallow water, even with it¹s soft bottom. The marina¹s cove opens to
the west northwest, and we get some wind that way; luckily we¹ve had south
winds while all this was happening.
Ed


From: Stevan Plavsa 


Suhana was hauled (just barely) on Saturday. Our club has some water level
issues . Suhana and two other boats share the distinction of drawing the
most water. Watching people poke their way to the dock was inspiring. Barely
got the slings under her keel.

One of the last boats out .. Puttered around the anchorage for a good two
hours in the cold rain waiting my turn .. which kept getting pushed back! So
much for being prepared. With the dodger off I've discovered that the hatch
cover is leaking so that's on the list for a reseal.

It was a good season.

Steve
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Toronto

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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

[Martin DeYoung]

Ø  ... what is a reasonable sized holding tank. <

Depends on intended boat use.  Short trips, rarely living onboard for more than 
a weekend, mostly tied to a dock lets you get away with a holding tank on the 
small end of the capacity range.

For Calypso which had plenty of room in the forepeak for a semi-custom poly 
tank we went with 40 gallons.  The intended use plan included 4 to 6 onboard, 
anchoring out most of the time in sensitive waters for up to 4 days without 
access to a pump out or suitable offshore water.  We added a 3 position (empty, 
½ full and Stop Pumping) gauge (green, yellow, and red lights).

All output of the head goes directly into the holding tank.  From there we can 
pump out at a dock or use a macerator type pump overboard.  We put in two 
vents, one each side of the boat to be sure the KO brand (now sold by Raritan) 
holding tank treatment had plenty of air.  In over 10 years of often heavy use 
there has been little to no smell and only one "failure to contain" event when 
the red warning light was ignored by a post-race delivery crew.

Search the internets for Peggy Hall's work on holding tank systems for a well 
written dissertation on all things poop related.  Even if you are lucky enough 
to go minimalist regarding head and holding tank systems Peggy's experience 
will be helpful.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle
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Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 1:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

Danny,

The 35/3 came with a 24 gallon tank.  I pump out 1 or 2 times a season.  The 
brochures on the website list tankage for various models.

BTW, don't forget a vent!

Joel

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM, djhaug...@juno.com 
mailto:djhaug...@juno.com>> wrote:
Thanks for the responses.

Just outside of buzzards Bay is beyond the no discharge zone.  I've sailed out 
there quite a few times on nice breezy days.  It would only be a 30-40 minute 
sail on a good day if I really needed to dump some poo...

what is a reasonable sized holding tank.  I really don't want to be carrying 
around too much of that stuff.  I see new 40ish foot boats with 20 gal holding 
tanks...

I don't know what that bladder I have now holds but, I doubt it is more than 15 
gallons.

In our harbor the Harbor master will put you on a schedule and you can notify 
that you need a pumpout by placing blue tape on your pumpout fitting.  So I 
really would never need more than a week's worth of holding.

Danny

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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

[djhaug...@juno.com]

I wish he had taken some better pictures of the tank and routing...I'm hoping 
Ronco can put some kind of tank together for me. Holland Marine products sells 
a tanks he says is OEM for C&C and many Canadian sailboats.  He wants $429 for 
it and I think it holds 16 galons http://www.hollandmarine.com/  If you go the 
bottom and click on the link for  C&C, Viking 33, as well as many other boats,  
you'll see the tank. Danny
-- Original Message --
From: Andrew Burton 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:10:59 -0400


Check this out> Skip did exactly the holding tank installation you're talking 
about on his C&C 40. The pump out is on deck and when he's offshore it drains 
straight out without a macerator pump.
 
http://sailingsaralane.blogspot.com/2012/11/systems-review-warningpotentially-boring.html

AndyC&C 40Peregrine

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Jim Watts  wrote:
Pump-out fittings are a friction fit with the deck outlet. They scare the hell 
out of me. 
The last one I used, the previous user had turned the open/close lever at the 
business end to close before turning the pump off. This left the hose full of 
waste up to the shutoff. When I cracked the valve to pump out our tank, there 
was some seriously explosive decompression and somebody else's stuff flew 
everywhere. I'm glad I don't have to use pumpouts very often, overboard 
discharge is still legal most places in Canada; I still make sure it's deep, 
fast-flowing water far from land. 

On 21 October 2013 08:27, djhaug...@juno.com  wrote:Okay 
guys,�I'm planning a new waste system. �I'm going with the 
Raritan PHC head and a new holding tank. �I currently have a very old 
Jabsco head and a bladder holding tank. �I really don't like the 
bladder. �It has worked okay but, one day it will fail and it will be 
disgusting! �I just want rid of it...�I'm looking for ideas on 
the design. �i.e. �Where to install the tank and how to pipe it. 
�I've been reading and I was thinking to try and install about a 16-18 
gallon tank, that conforms to the hull, behind the head. �However, after 
a closer look on Saturday, I'm not sure there is enough room there. �I 
was kind of hoping to install it there in order to pipe up a gravity drain for 
when I'm in an area where that is possible. �This would also keep the 
hose runs very short and I could easily vent and pipe the pump-out fitting in 
the side deck above.�Of course that would have the need of piping up 
hill to get into the tank and make it a bit harder to clear the waste from the 
hose with every flush. �Then I heard it might be better to have the 
waste run downhill to the tank. �That would create the need of pumping 
overboard if I were in an area that allowed it and the need of another pump. 
��I'm not exactly sure how the pump-out system works when having 
it done at a pump-out station. �Is it a fitting that attaches to the 
deck fitting and sucks it up the hose or, do they run a smaller hose down into 
the tank and suck it directly out with their hose?�Anyway, �As 
always, any and all advice, insights and colorful comments are 
appreciated!�DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, 
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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

[Joel Aronson]

Danny,

My water tank was made by
http://www.kracor.com/pages/marinecatalog.html

Don't know if they did the holding tank too.

Joel


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

> I wish he had taken some better pictures of the tank and routing...
> I'm hoping Ronco can put some kind of tank together for me.
>
> Holland Marine products sells a tanks he says is OEM for C&C and many
> Canadian sailboats.  He wants $429 for it and I think it holds 16 galons
>
> http://www.hollandmarine.com/  If you go the bottom and click on the link
> for
>
> *C&C, Viking 33, as well as many other 
> boats,
>   *
>
> you'll see the tank.
>
> Danny
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Andrew Burton 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.
> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:10:59 -0400
>
> Check this out> Skip did exactly the holding tank installation you're
> talking about on his C&C 40. The pump out is on deck and when he's offshore
> it drains straight out without a macerator pump.
>
>
> http://sailingsaralane.blogspot.com/2012/11/systems-review-warningpotentially-boring.html
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Jim Watts wrote:
>
>> Pump-out fittings are a friction fit with the deck outlet. They scare the
>> hell out of me.
>> The last one I used, the previous user had turned the open/close lever at
>> the business end to close before turning the pump off. This left the hose
>> full of waste up to the shutoff. When I cracked the valve to pump out our
>> tank, there was some seriously explosive decompression and somebody else's
>> *stuff* flew everywhere.
>> I'm glad I don't have to use pumpouts very often, overboard discharge is
>> still legal most places in Canada; I still make sure it's deep,
>> fast-flowing water far from land.
>>
>>
>> On 21 October 2013 08:27, djhaug...@juno.com  wrote:
>>
>>> Okay guys,
>>> �
>>> I'm planning a new waste system. �I'm going with the Raritan PHC head
>>> and a new holding tank. �I currently have a very old Jabsco head and a
>>> bladder holding tank. �I really don't like the bladder. �It has worked okay
>>> but, one day it will fail and it will be disgusting! �I just want rid of
>>> it...
>>> �
>>> I'm looking for ideas on the design. �i.e. �Where to install the tank
>>> and how to pipe it. �I've been reading and I was thinking to try and
>>> install about a 16-18 gallon tank, that conforms to the hull, behind the
>>> head. �However, after a closer look on Saturday, I'm not sure there is
>>> enough room there. �I was kind of hoping to install it there in order to
>>> pipe up a gravity drain for when I'm in an area where that is possible.
>>> �This would also keep the hose runs very short and I could easily vent and
>>> pipe the pump-out fitting in the side deck above.
>>> �
>>> Of course that would have the need of piping up hill to get into the
>>> tank and make it a bit harder to clear the waste from the hose with every
>>> flush. �Then I heard it might be better to have the waste run downhill to
>>> the tank. �That would create the need of pumping overboard if I were in an
>>> area that allowed it and the need of another pump. �
>>> �
>>> I'm not exactly sure how the pump-out system works when having it done
>>> at a pump-out station. �Is it a fitting that attaches to the deck fitting
>>> and sucks it up the hose or, do they run a smaller hose down into the tank
>>> and suck it directly out with their hose?
>>> �
>>> Anyway, �As always, any and all advice, insights and colorful comments
>>> are appreciated!
>>> �
>>> Danny
>>> Lolita
>>> 1973 Viking 33
>>> Westport Point, MA
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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

[Frederick G Street]

Kracor did all the tanks on the LF38 (except for fuel), including the 35-gal 
holding tank.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Oct 21, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

> Danny,
> 
> My water tank was made by 
> http://www.kracor.com/pages/marinecatalog.html
> 
> Don't know if they did the holding tank too.
> 
> Joel

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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

[Bill Coleman]

I have a 9 Gal Mansfield Poly tank I removed several years ago and would
sell for 20bucks. (plus shipping)  It has a macerator towards the bottom,
and had some setup by Sealand to treat the tank with a chemical and
supposedly, discharge overboard.   I think by the time I got the boat that
wasn’t legal.  Also another (inline) pump that I think was to pump the waste
out of the holding tank. 

Can’t guarantee what will work, but the price is right.

 

9 Gallons just wasn’t enough for my crew   ;^)

 

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 animated_favicon1

 

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DeYoung
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 4:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

 

Ø  … what is a reasonable sized holding tank. <

 

Depends on intended boat use.  Short trips, rarely living onboard for more
than a weekend, mostly tied to a dock lets you get away with a holding tank
on the small end of the capacity range.

 

For Calypso which had plenty of room in the forepeak for a semi-custom poly
tank we went with 40 gallons.  The intended use plan included 4 to 6
onboard, anchoring out most of the time in sensitive waters for up to 4 days
without access to a pump out or suitable offshore water.  We added a 3
position (empty, ½ full and Stop Pumping) gauge (green, yellow, and red
lights).

 

All output of the head goes directly into the holding tank.  From there we
can pump out at a dock or use a macerator type pump overboard.  We put in
two vents, one each side of the boat to be sure the KO brand (now sold by
Raritan) holding tank treatment had plenty of air.  In over 10 years of
often heavy use there has been little to no smell and only one “failure to
contain” event when the red warning light was ignored by a post-race
delivery crew.

 

Search the internets for Peggy Hall’s work on holding tank systems for a
well written dissertation on all things poop related.  Even if you are lucky
enough to go minimalist regarding head and holding tank systems Peggy’s
experience will be helpful.

 

Martin

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 1:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

 

Danny,

 

The 35/3 came with a 24 gallon tank.  I pump out 1 or 2 times a season.  The
brochures on the website list tankage for various models.

 

BTW, don't forget a vent!

 

Joel

 

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM, djhaug...@juno.com 
wrote:

Thanks for the responses.

Just outside of buzzards Bay is beyond the no discharge zone.  I've sailed
out there quite a few times on nice breezy days.  It would only be a 30-40
minute sail on a good day if I really needed to dump some poo...

what is a reasonable sized holding tank.  I really don't want to be carrying
around too much of that stuff.  I see new 40ish foot boats with 20 gal
holding tanks...

I don't know what that bladder I have now holds but, I doubt it is more than
15 gallons.

In our harbor the Harbor master will put you on a schedule and you can
notify that you need a pumpout by placing blue tape on your pumpout fitting.
So I really would never need more than a week's worth of holding.

Danny

 

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Stus-List Folding/feathering Props what DIAMETER/PITCH

[Alex Giannelia]

RICH

Good question.  I consulted with both the engine manufacturer and the Martec 
guy who went back and forth in a range and we settled on this.  The Martec guy 
actually wanted me to swing a larger diameter prop with slightly less pitch but 
short of moving the strut, that wasn't going to happen.

The history of this install is that it was preceded by an install of an EYI 
identical engine into a 1974 CC 35-ii which I got to see in action and that 
owner stuck with his existing prop which was originally powered by an ATOMIC 4 
and even though adjustments in gearing could be made on the electric, it was 
felt from that experience that a coarser pitch was desirable.  There was a lot 
of discussion on slippage, true torque values etc. so we'll see if we 
over-engineered it, or hit a sweet spot.

The natural operating range of the EYI is around 1400 RPM and as an electrical 
engineer, you can understand the spectrum of torque characteristics of an 
electric is different from an internal combustion engine (ICE), so we'll see.  
I am still keeping my 14x6 in case we are geared too far up.  It's like the 
diesel electrics of locomotive technology or electric street cars or subways or 
trains.  There is a lot more torque at the low RPM end than with an ICE.

How that is going to affect reverse, is going to be interesting.  Then again, 
I'm old fashioned, the only reason I even have an engine is to reduce the 
anxiety of my club friends.  I normally don't like to go backwards in a boat, 
but with modern yards, it is a necessity, so we'll set up the GO PRO for the 
sea trials

Cheers!

Alex
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Stus-List Severed main halyard -- speculation?

[David Paine]

I had an interesting sail last weekend to Cuttyhunk, in my 1975 C&C33-1.
I was blasting downwind in 17-22 kn wind under main and poled-out jib.  The
ride lasted for several hours but was interrupted when I jibed the main (in
a fairly controlled jibe).  To my great surprise the jibe resulted in the
main halyard parting about 3" from  the headboard shackle.   The amazing
thing is that the line looks like it was cut with a sharp knife -- the core
and outer braid were perfectly lined up and the cut is square.  There is no
sign of chafe.  Until the mast is down, all one can do is speculate, but
does anyone care to guess what caused the line to be cut so neatly?  I am
baffled.

btw, Cutty Hunk this time of year and with a full moon, is beautiful and
except for two other boats (one from Hawii!) there were no other cruising
boats in the inner harbor.  I had to anchor though, the town moorings were
already winterized.

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Re: Stus-List Severed main halyard -- speculation?

[Andrew Burton]

Would have seen you there, David, but for us both coming down with stinking
colds.
The only explanation I can come up with is that the top of the mast; either
the sheave or the exit was chafed by an original wire halyard. I believe
the 33s came with wire halyards, right?
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:59 PM, David Paine  wrote:

> I had an interesting sail last weekend to Cuttyhunk, in my 1975 C&C33-1.
> I was blasting downwind in 17-22 kn wind under main and poled-out jib.  The
> ride lasted for several hours but was interrupted when I jibed the main (in
> a fairly controlled jibe).  To my great surprise the jibe resulted in the
> main halyard parting about 3" from  the headboard shackle.   The amazing
> thing is that the line looks like it was cut with a sharp knife -- the core
> and outer braid were perfectly lined up and the cut is square.  There is no
> sign of chafe.  Until the mast is down, all one can do is speculate, but
> does anyone care to guess what caused the line to be cut so neatly?  I am
> baffled.
>
> btw, Cutty Hunk this time of year and with a full moon, is beautiful and
> except for two other boats (one from Hawii!) there were no other cruising
> boats in the inner harbor.  I had to anchor though, the town moorings were
> already winterized.
>
> Cheers, David
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Re: Stus-List Severed main halyard -- speculation?

[bobmor99 .]

Maybe the main halyard spent time fouled on a frayed topping lift.
My topping lift recently gave up the ghost. Before that happened I had
noticed that my main halyard and topping lift were fouled. That was easily
fixed. Later on, my mast climber (who goes all the way to the top) told me
my (wire) topping lift had a few broken strands.
Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:59 PM, David Paine  wrote:

> I had an interesting sail last weekend to Cuttyhunk, in my 1975 C&C33-1.
> I was blasting downwind in 17-22 kn wind under main and poled-out jib.  The
> ride lasted for several hours but was interrupted when I jibed the main (in
> a fairly controlled jibe).  To my great surprise the jibe resulted in the
> main halyard parting about 3" from  the headboard shackle.   The amazing
> thing is that the line looks like it was cut with a sharp knife -- the core
> and outer braid were perfectly lined up and the cut is square.  There is no
> sign of chafe.  Until the mast is down, all one can do is speculate, but
> does anyone care to guess what caused the line to be cut so neatly?  I am
> baffled.
>
> btw, Cutty Hunk this time of year and with a full moon, is beautiful and
> except for two other boats (one from Hawii!) there were no other cruising
> boats in the inner harbor.  I had to anchor though, the town moorings were
> already winterized.
>
> Cheers, David
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Re: Stus-List Season's Over

[bobmor99 .]

In another couple of weeks, we'll be in prime sailing weather down on the
St Johns River in Florida. Here are the present conditions:

http://staugustine.com/news/florida-news/2013-10-10/algal-blooms-reach-toxic-levels-st-johns#.UmXLinCsjLQ

Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL



On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:

> All,
>
> Sad to report the Enterprise's 2013 season has ended -- she was hauled
> with the tide on Saturday. Write-up and pictures are on the Captain's Log
> blog.
>
> Thanks to all for the wealth of information and cyber-friendships. I'm
> already looking forward to a great 2014 of C&C sailing.
>
>  All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
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Re: Stus-List Severed main halyard -- speculation?

[David Paine]

Thanks for the ideas.  I have a rigid vang so it wasn't the topping lift --
good thought though.   It must be, as Andy suggested, the sheave or the
exit.  I am leaning towards the latter because the cut is well below the
top of the sheave and closer to where it might exit (or possibly below).
 There is just a short stub of line above the shackle.


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:44 PM, bobmor99 .  wrote:

> Maybe the main halyard spent time fouled on a frayed topping lift.
> My topping lift recently gave up the ghost. Before that happened I had
> noticed that my main halyard and topping lift were fouled. That was easily
> fixed. Later on, my mast climber (who goes all the way to the top) told me
> my (wire) topping lift had a few broken strands.
> Bob M
> Ox 33-1
> Jax, FL
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:59 PM, David Paine  wrote:
>
>> I had an interesting sail last weekend to Cuttyhunk, in my 1975 C&C33-1.
>>   I was blasting downwind in 17-22 kn wind under main and poled-out jib.
>>  The ride lasted for several hours but was interrupted when I jibed the
>> main (in a fairly controlled jibe).  To my great surprise the jibe resulted
>> in the main halyard parting about 3" from  the headboard shackle.   The
>> amazing thing is that the line looks like it was cut with a sharp knife --
>> the core and outer braid were perfectly lined up and the cut is square.
>>  There is no sign of chafe.  Until the mast is down, all one can do is
>> speculate, but does anyone care to guess what caused the line to be cut so
>> neatly?  I am baffled.
>>
>> btw, Cutty Hunk this time of year and with a full moon, is beautiful and
>> except for two other boats (one from Hawii!) there were no other cruising
>> boats in the inner harbor.  I had to anchor though, the town moorings were
>> already winterized.
>>
>> Cheers, David
>>
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Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

[Russ & Melody]

I bought my KiwiProp from the newish company back in 2006.  At the 
time they didn't make one that would match the lower HP rating of a 
motor that you typically find installed in a 26 footer.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1



There is a new Kiwi company out of New Zeland making composite 
feathering props getting rave reviews.  A friend put one on his 
Sweden 38 and says he gained a half knot under sail and 
power.   Here is the contact info.   Web site - 
http://www.kiwiprops.co.nz/cms/index.php, 

POSTAL 
ADDRESS: 
FACTORY LOCATION:
Kiwi Feather Props Ltd   12 
c  Homestead Drive, Mt Wellington,AK  1072

PO Box  25-367
St Heliers  Bay
Auckland 1740,  NEW  ZEALAND

email: Email 
Kiwiprops   GMT  + 12 hours

Phone:   +64 9 5757 975
Factory: +64 9 5745 606



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From: Steve Thomas 
To: cnc-list 
Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2013 8:18 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

Sam,
 I found a used geared Gori for my 27 and it works fine in 
forward and reverse. I had hoped to find a 3 blade folder of some 
kind to minimise vibration but when I checked the manufacturers 
specifications there were none available in a small enough 
diameter. That was a few years ago so it might not be true now.


Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII

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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

[bobmor99 .]

I'm mainly a daysailor who has so far avoided the poo issue. If I were to
forgo my very comfortable bed and spend a night aboard Ox, I would first
try to address the poo problem at the source - with bananas. Beyond that,
I'd go Porta Potti and deal with it.
Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:27 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

> Okay guys,
>
> I'm planning a new waste system.  I'm going with the Raritan PHC head and
> a new holding tank.  I currently have a very old Jabsco head and a bladder
> holding tank.  I really don't like the bladder.  It has worked okay but,
> one day it will fail and it will be disgusting!  I just want rid of it...
>
> I'm looking for ideas on the design.  i.e.  Where to install the tank and
> how to pipe it.  I've been reading and I was thinking to try and install
> about a 16-18 gallon tank, that conforms to the hull, behind the head.
>  However, after a closer look on Saturday, I'm not sure there is enough
> room there.  I was kind of hoping to install it there in order to pipe up a
> gravity drain for when I'm in an area where that is possible.  This would
> also keep the hose runs very short and I could easily vent and pipe the
> pump-out fitting in the side deck above.
>
> Of course that would have the need of piping up hill to get into the tank
> and make it a bit harder to clear the waste from the hose with every flush.
>  Then I heard it might be better to have the waste run downhill to the
> tank.  That would create the need of pumping overboard if I were in an area
> that allowed it and the need of another pump.
>
> I'm not exactly sure how the pump-out system works when having it done at
> a pump-out station.  Is it a fitting that attaches to the deck fitting and
> sucks it up the hose or, do they run a smaller hose down into the tank and
> suck it directly out with their hose?
>
> Anyway,  As always, any and all advice, insights and colorful comments are
> appreciated!
>
> Danny
> Lolita
> 1973 Viking 33
> Westport Point, MA
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Stus-List Limber holes

[John and Maryann Read]

I recently removed our water tank under the port main cabin bunk for some
much needed cleaning of the hull interior.  Come to find out there is only
one limber hole at the forward end where the piping runs through.
Unfortunately this is not the low spot so any water that gets in under the
tank sits and ferments.  Question is how does one drill a drain hole without
also drilling into the hull interior skin??  It would be through the
interior bunk wall.  The boat is hauled.

 

All thoughts welcomed

 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Severed main halyard -- speculation?

[Ken Heaton]

Back when my boat was built (1990) the main halyard was made of wire and
rope with a wire to rope splice.  Some time ago a previous owner changed
the main halyard to all rope. One day, while we were running downwind the
main halyard parted and down came the main.  As it turns out, the design of
the exit for the main halyard at the top of the mast is made for a wire
halyard so has a different design of exit than the jib and spinnaker
halyards at the front of the mast.  There are bars on either side of the
halyard exits at the front that soften the exit that don't exist at the
back.

I asked the local rigging shop for suggestions for how to prevent this from
happening in the future.  His answer was "You don't really race the boat so
why not go back to a wire and rope halyard?"  We did and so far no problems
with halyards since.

Ken H.


On 21 October 2013 22:02, David Paine  wrote:

> Thanks for the ideas.  I have a rigid vang so it wasn't the topping lift
> -- good thought though.   It must be, as Andy suggested, the sheave or the
> exit.  I am leaning towards the latter because the cut is well below the
> top of the sheave and closer to where it might exit (or possibly below).
>  There is just a short stub of line above the shackle.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:44 PM, bobmor99 .  wrote:
>
>> Maybe the main halyard spent time fouled on a frayed topping lift.
>> My topping lift recently gave up the ghost. Before that happened I had
>> noticed that my main halyard and topping lift were fouled. That was easily
>> fixed. Later on, my mast climber (who goes all the way to the top) told me
>> my (wire) topping lift had a few broken strands.
>> Bob M
>> Ox 33-1
>> Jax, FL
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:59 PM, David Paine wrote:
>>
>>> I had an interesting sail last weekend to Cuttyhunk, in my 1975 C&C33-1.
>>>   I was blasting downwind in 17-22 kn wind under main and poled-out jib.
>>>  The ride lasted for several hours but was interrupted when I jibed the
>>> main (in a fairly controlled jibe).  To my great surprise the jibe resulted
>>> in the main halyard parting about 3" from  the headboard shackle.   The
>>> amazing thing is that the line looks like it was cut with a sharp knife --
>>> the core and outer braid were perfectly lined up and the cut is square.
>>>  There is no sign of chafe.  Until the mast is down, all one can do is
>>> speculate, but does anyone care to guess what caused the line to be cut so
>>> neatly?  I am baffled.
>>>
>>> btw, Cutty Hunk this time of year and with a full moon, is beautiful and
>>> except for two other boats (one from Hawii!) there were no other cruising
>>> boats in the inner harbor.  I had to anchor though, the town moorings were
>>> already winterized.
>>>
>>> Cheers, David
>>>
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Re: Stus-List New Head and holding tank system.

[Dennis C.]

Danny,

I've been on this list for over a decade.  I don't recall a single thread on 
failure of a bladder tank.

I do recall several threads on failures of rigid tanks.  

I have bladder tanks for both waste and fresh water.

Something to think about.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA





On Monday, October 21, 2013 9:15 PM, bobmor99 .  wrote:
 
I'm mainly a daysailor who has so far avoided the poo issue. If I were to forgo 
my very comfortable bed and spend a night aboard Ox, I would first try to 
address the poo problem at the source - with bananas. Beyond that, I'd go Porta 
Potti and deal with it.
>Bob M
>Ox 33-1
>Jax, FL
>
>
>
>On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:27 AM, djhaug...@juno.com  
>wrote:
>
>Okay guys,
>> 
>>I'm planning a new waste system.  I'm going with the Raritan PHC head and a 
>>new holding tank.  I currently have a very old Jabsco head and a bladder 
>>holding tank.  I really don't like the bladder.  It has worked okay but, one 
>>day it will fail and it will be disgusting!  I just want rid of it...
>> 
>>I'm looking for ideas on the design.  i.e.  Where to install the tank and how 
>>to pipe it.  I've been reading and I was thinking to try and install about a 
>>16-18 gallon tank, that conforms to the hull, behind the head.  However, 
>>after a closer look on Saturday, I'm not sure there is enough room there.  I 
>>was kind of hoping to install it there in order to pipe up a gravity drain 
>>for when I'm in an area where that is possible.  This would also keep the 
>>hose runs very short and I could easily vent and pipe the pump-out fitting in 
>>the side deck above.
>> 
>>Of course that would have the need of piping up hill to get into the tank and 
>>make it a bit harder to clear the waste from the hose with every flush.  Then 
>>I heard it might be better to have the waste run downhill to the tank.  That 
>>would create the need of pumping overboard if I were in an area that allowed 
>>it and the need of another pump.  
>> 
>>I'm not exactly sure how the pump-out system works when having it done at a 
>>pump-out station.  Is it a fitting that attaches to the deck fitting and 
>>sucks it up the hose or, do they run a smaller hose down into the tank and 
>>suck it directly out with their hose?
>> 
>>Anyway,  As always, any and all advice, insights and colorful comments are 
>>appreciated!
>> 
>>Danny
>>Lolita
>>1973 Viking 33
>>Westport Point, MA
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Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props

[sam.c.salter]

Steve,

...and anyone else - how do you find the 2 blade and vibration? I note you had 
a concern; was the concern justified or does the 2 blade run OK? Anyone have 
any experience with 2 blade and 3 blade vibration differences?


 

If anyone is interested, I’ve had a quote back from Max Prop already:

Current prop is: 12” x 8” RH 3 Blade

Recommendations are:

12” x 10” 2 blade - $1500

12” x 9” 3 blade - $2400

 

sam :-)

C&C 26  Liquorice

Ghost Lake  Alberta


From: Steve Thomas
Sent: ‎October‎ ‎21‎, ‎2013 ‎6‎:‎18‎ ‎AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props



Sam, 

 I found a used geared Gori for my 27 and it works fine in forward and 
reverse. I had hoped to find a 3 blade folder of some kind to minimise 
vibration but when I checked the manufacturers specifications there were none 
available in a small enough diameter. That was a few years ago so it might not 
be true now.  

 

Steve Thomas

C&C27 MKIII

 

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Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 4:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props


Good experiences; thanks for sharing.
Looks like two or three endorsements for the Max Prop; about the same against 
the Martec; one for the Flexofold; ...and a Gori replacing a Martec!
couple of questions:
How big a deal is the maintenance on the Max Prop?
Is it just a matter of greasing the prop every couple of years or is there 
more? - I pull the boat out of the lake every October; so it wouldn't be too 
much of a concern.
I still have the old prop on the shaft. Am I correct in assuming that the taper 
is a standard SAE? I'm going to need to know for sure before I order. (Probably 
safer to remove the prop and measure for peace of mind!)
Any more information / experiences / insights welcome.  



sam

C&C 26. Liquorice 

Ghost Lake Alberta 






‎‎On 10/20/2013 7:21 PM, Tim Goodyear wrote: 


Sam, I have a two blade Flex I Fold, which goes nicely forwards and backwards 
and replaced a 2 blade non-geared Martec that went sideways in reverse and 
sometimes went forward if the blades opened together  (even after rebuilding).  
The two do not compare.




Tim

Mojito

C&C 35-3

Branford, CT


On Oct 20, 2013, at 7:10 PM, David Donnelly  wrote:





Sam I also have the 2 blade Martec and a 26. I have not found poor performance 
in reverse but I don't do it a bunch either. Can push just fine going forward.




David








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 Original message 
From: Harry Hallgring  
Date: 10-20-2013 5:00 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding/feathering Props 



Sam,

I have a two blade folding Martec prop that goes 7 kts forward and four kts 
directly sideways in reverse. Going with a Gori this winter. 

Harry 



Sent from my iPhone 6Beta


On Oct 19, 2013, at 20:21, Sam Salter  wrote:




This winters project is a folding/feathering prop.
I've just sent off inquiries to:
Flexofold
Max Prop
Slipstream

Anyone got any comments/observations/likes/dislikes.
Any experience good or bad with any type of folding/feathering prop would be 
useful.
Any other manufacturers recommended.

Now is your chance to get in on a real sailing topic - folding/feathering props 
OR rum!

sam :-)
C&C 26  Liquorice
Ghost Lake  Alberta




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