Re: Stus-List Ontario 38
You might reach out to this guy. If he has sold his already. If he is like the rest of us we love to talk about out boats. Shoot! I say, Give him a buzz. Hope this helps. Curt. http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/34019 *905 870 7411* On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:13 AM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: When I looked at the photo you posted, I was very much reminded of the Niagara 35 of the same vintage built by Hinterholer. Looks like a big brother to one of those. I thought George C had retired before 1983/84. The interior shown on the Sailboat Data website looks very comfortable for a cruising boat - probably more so than the interior on my own 38 mk1 - and my Admiral would kill for the walk in shower. The boat weight is fairly high and the keel is short, but the rig dimensions are pretty comparable to the 38 mk1 and mk2 (and larger that the rig on a LF38) so performance should not be too bad. If the asking price is right, I think it would be worth taking a look-see at the boat. Rick Brass *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Stevan Plavsa *Sent:* Monday, February 03, 2014 8:11 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Ontario 38 Hi All, I'm trying to find more information about the Ontario 38. It's a reach because apparently there were only 4 made. George Cuthbertson was the designer. The Ontario 32 is a well regarded boat and apparently built well. The 38 is good looking but information is very slim. Anyone ever sailed on one of these? Knew/know an owner? There is one for sale sort of nearby. Here's a picture: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDEwMDA=/z/P6sAAOxyUrZS5TbV/$_20.JPG handsome. And what info I could find on sailboatdata: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3068 Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Aloha e' Komo mai! Welcome and come aboard. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Ontario 38
I am reasonably sure there is an Ontario 38 at out club..it looks to be extremely well equipped for blue water sailing.I don't know who owns it but if you are serious about buying this one, let me know and I will attempt to locate its owner for you. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/02/03 9:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: Hi All, I'm trying to find more information about the Ontario 38. It's a reach because apparently there were only 4 made. George Cuthbertson was the designer. The Ontario 32 is a well regarded boat and apparently built well. The 38 is good looking but information is very slim. Anyone ever sailed on one of these? Knew/know an owner? There is one for sale sort of nearby. Here's a picture: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDEwMDA=/z/P6sAAOxyUrZS5TbV/$_20.JPG handsome. And what info I could find on sailboatdata: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3068 Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ontario 38
That's a good looking boat, definitely reminiscent of the CC lines. I wonder why they only made four of them? Richard 1985 CC 37 (and 1987 33-II for sale, somewhere under the snow...) Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9 Louisville, Kentucky 40220 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:33 am Subject: Stus-List Ontario 38 I am reasonably sure there is an Ontario 38 at out club..it looks to be extremely well equipped for blue water sailing.I don't know who owns it but if you are serious about buying this one, let me know and I will attempt to locate its owner for you. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/02/03 9:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: Hi All, I'm trying to find more information about the Ontario 38. It's a reach because apparently there were only 4 made. George Cuthbertson was the designer. The Ontario 32 is a well regarded boat and apparently built well. The 38 is good looking but information is very slim. Anyone ever sailed on one of these? Knew/know an owner? There is one for sale sort of nearby. Here's a picture: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDEwMDA=/z/P6sAAOxyUrZS5TbV/$_20.JPG handsome. And what info I could find on sailboatdata: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3068 Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ his List is provided by the CC Photo Album ttp://www.cncphotoalbum.com nc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ his List is provided by the CC Photo Album ttp://www.cncphotoalbum.com nc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ontario 38
I'm meeting with my real estate guy tomorrow morning to start a discussion about selling the house. I'm not entirely serious just yet, but serious enough. I have a chance here to live the dream for at least a few years, what happens after, I don't know. It's a serious *consideration* at this point, not yet a serious plan. Spreadsheets have been made, there's no turning back now! My logic is that the Canadian real estate market is overvalued and a correction is on the horizon. If I'm going to live in a depreciating asset it might as well be a boat :) The admiral and I are young yet and not in a rush to have kids. We can take off for a few years and see what happens. I may never have this chance again, I'm only going to get older and if my genetic heritage is of any indication, crabbier! Once kids are in the picture I can forget about cruising until I retire .. and I might be dead by then! (existential angst - you only live once) Curtis, same guy ;) What I want: Fin Keel. Solid build capable of doing passages, not interested in rounding any horns (but who knows how I'll feel in a few years, I prefer to keep my options open) Lots of opening ports/hatches (Caribbean cruising - I love the CC 40 but it fails on this point and lack of tankage but they sure are priced right and beautiful!) Commodious anchor locker, windlass or at least a good place to mount one. Lots of tankage. A nice interior that will make the admiral happy, specifically a proper galley. Quite frankly we plan to spend a lot more time at anchor than out in a gale so yeah, I like a nice interior! Without a house this is the primary residence, it better be nice. Not interested in slumming it around the tropics in a floating dorm room. Separate shower is probably mandatory as well. The Passport 40 is the perfect boat, but I'm too poor for that. Well, I think ... my agent might tell me otherwise tomorrow. 40 feet is about the right size. If I could do it all on a CC 40 that would be the boat. Lack of tankage can be partially addressed with a water maker but it still fails on the ventilation bit and fuel tankage ... unless you guys can convince me otherwise. I get the impression from pictures that they lack storage (cubbies, cabinets, etc). They are priced right though and would leave enough money for a refit. Also, draft may be an issue. I really do love them though, totally based on aesthetics :) and not ashamed to admit that. Looks ARE important. All signs point to the 40 being a good sailor too and that's high on the list for both of us. We're not interested in getting around in an old shoe. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.cawrote: I am reasonably sure there is an Ontario 38 at out club..it looks to be extremely well equipped for blue water sailing.I don't know who owns it but if you are serious about buying this one, let me know and I will attempt to locate its owner for you. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/02/03 9:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: Hi All, I'm trying to find more information about the Ontario 38. It's a reach because apparently there were only 4 made. George Cuthbertson was the designer. The Ontario 32 is a well regarded boat and apparently built well. The 38 is good looking but information is very slim. Anyone ever sailed on one of these? Knew/know an owner? There is one for sale sort of nearby. Here's a picture: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDEwMDA=/z/P6sAAOxyUrZS5TbV/$_20.JPG handsome. And what info I could find on sailboatdata: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3068 Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ontario 38
Richard, word (the internet) has it that they went out of business after building 4 of them. Looking further into it though I found out that the company is still around. They aren't building yachts anymore however, they're a fibreglass company and I think they still make dinghies among other things, like the pitching mound at the Rogers (SKYDOME) centre here in Toronto for example. If I remember correctly anyway. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote: I'm meeting with my real estate guy tomorrow morning to start a discussion about selling the house. I'm not entirely serious just yet, but serious enough. I have a chance here to live the dream for at least a few years, what happens after, I don't know. It's a serious *consideration* at this point, not yet a serious plan. Spreadsheets have been made, there's no turning back now! My logic is that the Canadian real estate market is overvalued and a correction is on the horizon. If I'm going to live in a depreciating asset it might as well be a boat :) The admiral and I are young yet and not in a rush to have kids. We can take off for a few years and see what happens. I may never have this chance again, I'm only going to get older and if my genetic heritage is of any indication, crabbier! Once kids are in the picture I can forget about cruising until I retire .. and I might be dead by then! (existential angst - you only live once) Curtis, same guy ;) What I want: Fin Keel. Solid build capable of doing passages, not interested in rounding any horns (but who knows how I'll feel in a few years, I prefer to keep my options open) Lots of opening ports/hatches (Caribbean cruising - I love the CC 40 but it fails on this point and lack of tankage but they sure are priced right and beautiful!) Commodious anchor locker, windlass or at least a good place to mount one. Lots of tankage. A nice interior that will make the admiral happy, specifically a proper galley. Quite frankly we plan to spend a lot more time at anchor than out in a gale so yeah, I like a nice interior! Without a house this is the primary residence, it better be nice. Not interested in slumming it around the tropics in a floating dorm room. Separate shower is probably mandatory as well. The Passport 40 is the perfect boat, but I'm too poor for that. Well, I think ... my agent might tell me otherwise tomorrow. 40 feet is about the right size. If I could do it all on a CC 40 that would be the boat. Lack of tankage can be partially addressed with a water maker but it still fails on the ventilation bit and fuel tankage ... unless you guys can convince me otherwise. I get the impression from pictures that they lack storage (cubbies, cabinets, etc). They are priced right though and would leave enough money for a refit. Also, draft may be an issue. I really do love them though, totally based on aesthetics :) and not ashamed to admit that. Looks ARE important. All signs point to the 40 being a good sailor too and that's high on the list for both of us. We're not interested in getting around in an old shoe. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.cawrote: I am reasonably sure there is an Ontario 38 at out club..it looks to be extremely well equipped for blue water sailing.I don't know who owns it but if you are serious about buying this one, let me know and I will attempt to locate its owner for you. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/02/03 9:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: Hi All, I'm trying to find more information about the Ontario 38. It's a reach because apparently there were only 4 made. George Cuthbertson was the designer. The Ontario 32 is a well regarded boat and apparently built well. The 38 is good looking but information is very slim. Anyone ever sailed on one of these? Knew/know an owner? There is one for sale sort of nearby. Here's a picture: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDEwMDA=/z/P6sAAOxyUrZS5TbV/$_20.JPG handsome. And what info I could find on sailboatdata: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3068 Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ontario 38
Stevan — that looks a LOT like the LF38; same dimensions. Pretty boat! Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 3, 2014, at 7:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I'm trying to find more information about the Ontario 38. It's a reach because apparently there were only 4 made. George Cuthbertson was the designer. The Ontario 32 is a well regarded boat and apparently built well. The 38 is good looking but information is very slim. Anyone ever sailed on one of these? Knew/know an owner? There is one for sale sort of nearby. Here's a picture: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDEwMDA=/z/P6sAAOxyUrZS5TbV/$_20.JPG handsome. And what info I could find on sailboatdata: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3068 Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ontario 38
That's a fun project to contemplate, Steve. And I have to admit, one that has crossed my mind more than once. I am stuck on the 40. I love the way she sails and I love that she fits my budget. Using the 40 as as a long-term cruiser is quite do-able...and in comfort. I think the storage is pretty good, and she's certainly comfortable to live aboard. The tankage is definitely a consideration, but that can be worked around; add a bladder for fuel aft of the existing tank, and perhaps another for water under the V-berth. See http://sailingsaralane.blogspot.com/ for what my friend Skip did to modify his 40. It's not necessary to do all he did, but it's interesting to think about. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote: I'm meeting with my real estate guy tomorrow morning to start a discussion about selling the house. I'm not entirely serious just yet, but serious enough. I have a chance here to live the dream for at least a few years, what happens after, I don't know. It's a serious *consideration* at this point, not yet a serious plan. Spreadsheets have been made, there's no turning back now! My logic is that the Canadian real estate market is overvalued and a correction is on the horizon. If I'm going to live in a depreciating asset it might as well be a boat :) The admiral and I are young yet and not in a rush to have kids. We can take off for a few years and see what happens. I may never have this chance again, I'm only going to get older and if my genetic heritage is of any indication, crabbier! Once kids are in the picture I can forget about cruising until I retire .. and I might be dead by then! (existential angst - you only live once) Curtis, same guy ;) What I want: Fin Keel. Solid build capable of doing passages, not interested in rounding any horns (but who knows how I'll feel in a few years, I prefer to keep my options open) Lots of opening ports/hatches (Caribbean cruising - I love the CC 40 but it fails on this point and lack of tankage but they sure are priced right and beautiful!) Commodious anchor locker, windlass or at least a good place to mount one. Lots of tankage. A nice interior that will make the admiral happy, specifically a proper galley. Quite frankly we plan to spend a lot more time at anchor than out in a gale so yeah, I like a nice interior! Without a house this is the primary residence, it better be nice. Not interested in slumming it around the tropics in a floating dorm room. Separate shower is probably mandatory as well. The Passport 40 is the perfect boat, but I'm too poor for that. Well, I think ... my agent might tell me otherwise tomorrow. 40 feet is about the right size. If I could do it all on a CC 40 that would be the boat. Lack of tankage can be partially addressed with a water maker but it still fails on the ventilation bit and fuel tankage ... unless you guys can convince me otherwise. I get the impression from pictures that they lack storage (cubbies, cabinets, etc). They are priced right though and would leave enough money for a refit. Also, draft may be an issue. I really do love them though, totally based on aesthetics :) and not ashamed to admit that. Looks ARE important. All signs point to the 40 being a good sailor too and that's high on the list for both of us. We're not interested in getting around in an old shoe. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.cawrote: I am reasonably sure there is an Ontario 38 at out club..it looks to be extremely well equipped for blue water sailing.I don't know who owns it but if you are serious about buying this one, let me know and I will attempt to locate its owner for you. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/02/03 9:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: Hi All, I'm trying to find more information about the Ontario 38. It's a reach because apparently there were only 4 made. George Cuthbertson was the designer. The Ontario 32 is a well regarded boat and apparently built well. The 38 is good looking but information is very slim. Anyone ever sailed on one of these? Knew/know an owner? There is one for sale sort of nearby. Here's a picture: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDEwMDA=/z/P6sAAOxyUrZS5TbV/$_20.JPG handsome. And what info I could find on sailboatdata: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3068 Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew
Re: Stus-List Ontario 38
If a Landfall 38 fits in there, give me a shout. I'm afraid some health things are forcing me to give up sailing. Rich On Feb 4, 2014, at 11:18, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: I'm meeting with my real estate guy tomorrow morning to start a discussion about selling the house. I'm not entirely serious just yet, but serious enough. I have a chance here to live the dream for at least a few years, what happens after, I don't know. It's a serious consideration at this point, not yet a serious plan. Spreadsheets have been made, there's no turning back now! My logic is that the Canadian real estate market is overvalued and a correction is on the horizon. If I'm going to live in a depreciating asset it might as well be a boat :) The admiral and I are young yet and not in a rush to have kids. We can take off for a few years and see what happens. I may never have this chance again, I'm only going to get older and if my genetic heritage is of any indication, crabbier! Once kids are in the picture I can forget about cruising until I retire .. and I might be dead by then! (existential angst - you only live once) Curtis, same guy ;) What I want: Fin Keel. Solid build capable of doing passages, not interested in rounding any horns (but who knows how I'll feel in a few years, I prefer to keep my options open) Lots of opening ports/hatches (Caribbean cruising - I love the CC 40 but it fails on this point and lack of tankage but they sure are priced right and beautiful!) Commodious anchor locker, windlass or at least a good place to mount one. Lots of tankage. A nice interior that will make the admiral happy, specifically a proper galley. Quite frankly we plan to spend a lot more time at anchor than out in a gale so yeah, I like a nice interior! Without a house this is the primary residence, it better be nice. Not interested in slumming it around the tropics in a floating dorm room. Separate shower is probably mandatory as well. The Passport 40 is the perfect boat, but I'm too poor for that. Well, I think ... my agent might tell me otherwise tomorrow. 40 feet is about the right size. If I could do it all on a CC 40 that would be the boat. Lack of tankage can be partially addressed with a water maker but it still fails on the ventilation bit and fuel tankage ... unless you guys can convince me otherwise. I get the impression from pictures that they lack storage (cubbies, cabinets, etc). They are priced right though and would leave enough money for a refit. Also, draft may be an issue. I really do love them though, totally based on aesthetics :) and not ashamed to admit that. Looks ARE important. All signs point to the 40 being a good sailor too and that's high on the list for both of us. We're not interested in getting around in an old shoe. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: I am reasonably sure there is an Ontario 38 at out club..it looks to be extremely well equipped for blue water sailing.I don't know who owns it but if you are serious about buying this one, let me know and I will attempt to locate its owner for you. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/02/03 9:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: Hi All, I'm trying to find more information about the Ontario 38. It's a reach because apparently there were only 4 made. George Cuthbertson was the designer. The Ontario 32 is a well regarded boat and apparently built well. The 38 is good looking but information is very slim. Anyone ever sailed on one of these? Knew/know an owner? There is one for sale sort of nearby. Here's a picture: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDEwMDA=/z/P6sAAOxyUrZS5TbV/$_20.JPG handsome. And what info I could find on sailboatdata: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3068 Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ontario 38
Steve, I have owned a 40 for 10 years. My comments in red; ...commodious anchor locker, windlass or at least a good place to mount one. The 40 has a large anchor locker and room for a windlass. I saw one installed (next on my list) and it worked fine ...A nice interior that will make the admiral happy, specifically a proper galley. The 40 has a great galley. Human sized. ...If I could do it all on a CC 40 that would be the boat. Lack of tankage can be partially addressed with a water maker We have sixty gallons and can add an additional bladder but the watermaker is in my plans for crossing the pond ...but it still fails on the ventilation bit Never had problem especially with fans. ...and fuel tankage ... unless you guys can convince me otherwise. Added a 15 gallon bladder tank behind engine for a total of 35. Would like more but if you keep RPMS low when motoring (1500 rpm) she will do 5-6 knots in calm water while sipping fuel. ...I get the impression from pictures that they lack storage (cubbies, cabinets, etc). Storage is not bad but we are converting pilots into storage cabinets to increase. They are priced right though and would leave enough money for a refit. Also, draft may be an issue. They do have centerboard version...although my deep keel goes to weather like a nobody's business ... I really do love them though, totally based on aesthetics :) and not ashamed to admit that. Looks ARE important. All signs point to the 40 being a good sailor too and that's high on the list for both of us. We're not interested in getting around in an old shoe. And we too would like a shower stall. But when warm we shower in the cockpit anyway. I still sigh when looking back at her. Call me if you want more feedback. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 10:18:25 -0500 From: stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ontario 38 I'm meeting with my real estate guy tomorrow morning to start a discussion about selling the house. I'm not entirely serious just yet, but serious enough. I have a chance here to live the dream for at least a few years, what happens after, I don't know. It's a serious consideration at this point, not yet a serious plan. Spreadsheets have been made, there's no turning back now! My logic is that the Canadian real estate market is overvalued and a correction is on the horizon. If I'm going to live in a depreciating asset it might as well be a boat :) The admiral and I are young yet and not in a rush to have kids. We can take off for a few years and see what happens. I may never have this chance again, I'm only going to get older and if my genetic heritage is of any indication, crabbier! Once kids are in the picture I can forget about cruising until I retire .. and I might be dead by then! (existential angst - you only live once) Curtis, same guy ;) What I want: Fin Keel.Solid build capable of doing passages, not interested in rounding any horns (but who knows how I'll feel in a few years, I prefer to keep my options open) Lots of opening ports/hatches (Caribbean cruising - I love the CC 40 but it fails on this point and lack of tankage but they sure are priced right and beautiful!)Commodious anchor locker, windlass or at least a good place to mount one. Lots of tankage.A nice interior that will make the admiral happy, specifically a proper galley. Quite frankly we plan to spend a lot more time at anchor than out in a gale so yeah, I like a nice interior! Without a house this is the primary residence, it better be nice. Not interested in slumming it around the tropics in a floating dorm room. Separate shower is probably mandatory as well. The Passport 40 is the perfect boat, but I'm too poor for that. Well, I think ... my agent might tell me otherwise tomorrow. 40 feet is about the right size. If I could do it all on a CC 40 that would be the boat. Lack of tankage can be partially addressed with a water maker but it still fails on the ventilation bit and fuel tankage ... unless you guys can convince me otherwise. I get the impression from pictures that they lack storage (cubbies, cabinets, etc). They are priced right though and would leave enough money for a refit. Also, draft may be an issue. I really do love them though, totally based on aesthetics :) and not ashamed to admit that. Looks ARE important. All signs point to the 40 being a good sailor too and that's high on the list for both of us. We're not interested in getting around in an old shoe. SteveSuhana, CC 32Toronto On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: I am reasonably sure there is an Ontario 38 at out club..it looks to be extremely well equipped for blue water sailing.I don't know who owns it but if you are serious about buying this one, let me know and I will attempt to
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
Andy, I sat up and took note when you mentioned Sailing Saralane; I have been a fan/follower of their site for a couple of years, since someone, (probably you), recommended it here; I really like what they did to the stern and especially the main saloon windows; I can discern that Skip is a very capable craftsman, and has access to good trades people, but what I have never been able to figure out is how adaptable those projects are to other boats, (like mine, for instance); Also, they never gave any expense information,have you ever discussed doing those, or similar modification to your 40 with Skip? I would really like to know what Skip thinks now, some many cruising mile later do you think they are worth doing as a general principle? (Of course, given the current weather conditions, the best way to find this information out would be to fly down to wherever they are anchored and ask them.he said wistfully...)! Richard 1985 37 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9 Louisville, Kentucky 40220 502-584-7255 1985 37 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9 Louisville, Kentucky 40220 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:32 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Ontario 38 That's a fun project to contemplate, Steve. And I have to admit, one that has crossed my mind more than once. I am stuck on the 40. I love the way she sails and I love that she fits my budget. Using the 40 as as a long-term cruiser is quite do-able...and in comfort. I think the storage is pretty good, and she's certainly comfortable to live aboard. The tankage is definitely a consideration, but that can be worked around; add a bladder for fuel aft of the existing tank, and perhaps another for water under the V-berth. See http://sailingsaralane.blogspot.com/ for what my friend Skip did to modify his 40. It's not necessary to do all he did, but it's interesting to think about. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: I'm meeting with my real estate guy tomorrow morning to start a discussion about selling the house. I'm not entirely serious just yet, but serious enough. I have a chance here to live the dream for at least a few years, what happens after, I don't know. It's a serious consideration at this point, not yet a serious plan. Spreadsheets have been made, there's no turning back now! My logic is that the Canadian real estate market is overvalued and a correction is on the horizon. If I'm going to live in a depreciating asset it might as well be a boat :) The admiral and I are young yet and not in a rush to have kids. We can take off for a few years and see what happens. I may never have this chance again, I'm only going to get older and if my genetic heritage is of any indication, crabbier! Once kids are in the picture I can forget about cruising until I retire .. and I might be dead by then! (existential angst - you only live once) Curtis, same guy ;) What I want: Fin Keel. Solid build capable of doing passages, not interested in rounding any horns (but who knows how I'll feel in a few years, I prefer to keep my options open) Lots of opening ports/hatches (Caribbean cruising - I love the CC 40 but it fails on this point and lack of tankage but they sure are priced right and beautiful!) Commodious anchor locker, windlass or at least a good place to mount one. Lots of tankage. A nice interior that will make the admiral happy, specifically a proper galley. Quite frankly we plan to spend a lot more time at anchor than out in a gale so yeah, I like a nice interior! Without a house this is the primary residence, it better be nice. Not interested in slumming it around the tropics in a floating dorm room. Separate shower is probably mandatory as well. The Passport 40 is the perfect boat, but I'm too poor for that. Well, I think ... my agent might tell me otherwise tomorrow. 40 feet is about the right size. If I could do it all on a CC 40 that would be the boat. Lack of tankage can be partially addressed with a water maker but it still fails on the ventilation bit and fuel tankage ... unless you guys can convince me otherwise. I get the impression from pictures that they lack storage (cubbies, cabinets, etc). They are priced right though and would leave enough money for a refit. Also, draft may be an issue. I really do love them though, totally based on aesthetics :) and not ashamed to admit that. Looks ARE important. All signs point to the 40 being a good sailor too and that's high on the list for both of us. We're not interested in getting around in an old shoe. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: I am reasonably sure there is an Ontario 38 at out club..it looks to
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
Skip is also a very experienced offshore sailor. I like a lot of what he did on Saralane, but most I wouldn't bother with on my boat. I like to windows the way they are, and cutting open the transom and bridgedeck is more of a project than I want to tackle; it would take too much out of my sailing time. The installation of the holding atnk behind the head with a gravity feed to empty is the one thing that I can see doing. I also like the way he painted the interior. I like the Herreshoff look. And it lightens up the interior. I would add dorades and a tent over the forehatch. I might convert the forward ports to opening, and, as Dave mentioned, install a few fans. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.com wrote: Andy, I sat up and took note when you mentioned Sailing Saralane; I have been a fan/follower of their site for a couple of years, since someone, (probably you), recommended it here; I really like what they did to the stern and especially the main saloon windows; I can discern that Skip is a very capable craftsman, and has access to good trades people, but what I have never been able to figure out is how adaptable those projects are to other boats, (like mine, for instance); Also, they never gave any expense information,have you ever discussed doing those, or similar modification to your 40 with Skip? I would really like to know what Skip thinks now, some many cruising mile later do you think they are worth doing as a general principle? (Of course, given the current weather conditions, the best way to find this information out would be to fly down to wherever they are anchored and ask them.he said wistfully...)! Richard 1985 37 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9 Louisville, Kentucky 40220 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:32 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Ontario 38 That's a fun project to contemplate, Steve. And I have to admit, one that has crossed my mind more than once. I am stuck on the 40. I love the way she sails and I love that she fits my budget. Using the 40 as as a long-term cruiser is quite do-able...and in comfort. I think the storage is pretty good, and she's certainly comfortable to live aboard. The tankage is definitely a consideration, but that can be worked around; add a bladder for fuel aft of the existing tank, and perhaps another for water under the V-berth. See http://sailingsaralane.blogspot.com/ for what my friend Skip did to modify his 40. It's not necessary to do all he did, but it's interesting to think about. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.comwrote: I'm meeting with my real estate guy tomorrow morning to start a discussion about selling the house. I'm not entirely serious just yet, but serious enough. I have a chance here to live the dream for at least a few years, what happens after, I don't know. It's a serious *consideration*at this point, not yet a serious plan. Spreadsheets have been made, there's no turning back now! My logic is that the Canadian real estate market is overvalued and a correction is on the horizon. If I'm going to live in a depreciating asset it might as well be a boat :) The admiral and I are young yet and not in a rush to have kids. We can take off for a few years and see what happens. I may never have this chance again, I'm only going to get older and if my genetic heritage is of any indication, crabbier! Once kids are in the picture I can forget about cruising until I retire .. and I might be dead by then! (existential angst - you only live once) Curtis, same guy ;) What I want: Fin Keel. Solid build capable of doing passages, not interested in rounding any horns (but who knows how I'll feel in a few years, I prefer to keep my options open) Lots of opening ports/hatches (Caribbean cruising - I love the CC 40 but it fails on this point and lack of tankage but they sure are priced right and beautiful!) Commodious anchor locker, windlass or at least a good place to mount one. Lots of tankage. A nice interior that will make the admiral happy, specifically a proper galley. Quite frankly we plan to spend a lot more time at anchor than out in a gale so yeah, I like a nice interior! Without a house this is the primary residence, it better be nice. Not interested in slumming it around the tropics in a floating dorm room. Separate shower is probably mandatory as well. The Passport 40 is the perfect boat, but I'm too poor for that. Well, I think ... my agent might tell me otherwise tomorrow. 40 feet is about the right size. If I could do it all on a CC 40 that would be the boat. Lack of tankage can be partially addressed with a water maker but it still fails on the ventilation bit and fuel tankage ...
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
While the 40 is a beautiful boat, I’m surprised at the small tankage. My LF38 came stock with 105 gals of water, 35 of fuel, and a 35 gal holding tank. Nothing like the CSY44 (with 400 gals of water and 200 of fuel…), but much more than most CC’s. Seems like you have to work pretty hard to get tankage up to spec for longer distance cruising. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: Skip is also a very experienced offshore sailor. I like a lot of what he did on Saralane, but most I wouldn't bother with on my boat. I like to windows the way they are, and cutting open the transom and bridgedeck is more of a project than I want to tackle; it would take too much out of my sailing time. The installation of the holding atnk behind the head with a gravity feed to empty is the one thing that I can see doing. I also like the way he painted the interior. I like the Herreshoff look. And it lightens up the interior. I would add dorades and a tent over the forehatch. I might convert the forward ports to opening, and, as Dave mentioned, install a few fans. Andy CC 40 Peregrine ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ontario 38
Steve CC boats are beautiful, I am on my fourth one now, so I can't disagree with anything said about the 40 or the LF38 but these boats are also worth a look considering your plans. They don't look like old shoes to me but they do have a traditional appeal and I think they are built well and sail well too, not racers though but could be raced, and the keel and rudder design may actually be better for your intended purpose than you may think, all things considered. She looks pretty good below decks too, and there may actually be space on either side in the engine room. Lots of opening port possibilities. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/Shannon-Ketch-2640859/Cataumet/MA/Unite d-States#.UvEO0Ps7Gag Dwight Alianna CC 35 MKII _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: February 4, 2014 11:18 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ontario 38 I'm meeting with my real estate guy tomorrow morning to start a discussion about selling the house. I'm not entirely serious just yet, but serious enough. I have a chance here to live the dream for at least a few years, what happens after, I don't know. It's a serious consideration at this point, not yet a serious plan. Spreadsheets have been made, there's no turning back now! My logic is that the Canadian real estate market is overvalued and a correction is on the horizon. If I'm going to live in a depreciating asset it might as well be a boat :) The admiral and I are young yet and not in a rush to have kids. We can take off for a few years and see what happens. I may never have this chance again, I'm only going to get older and if my genetic heritage is of any indication, crabbier! Once kids are in the picture I can forget about cruising until I retire .. and I might be dead by then! (existential angst - you only live once) Curtis, same guy ;) What I want: Fin Keel. Solid build capable of doing passages, not interested in rounding any horns (but who knows how I'll feel in a few years, I prefer to keep my options open) Lots of opening ports/hatches (Caribbean cruising - I love the CC 40 but it fails on this point and lack of tankage but they sure are priced right and beautiful!) Commodious anchor locker, windlass or at least a good place to mount one. Lots of tankage. A nice interior that will make the admiral happy, specifically a proper galley. Quite frankly we plan to spend a lot more time at anchor than out in a gale so yeah, I like a nice interior! Without a house this is the primary residence, it better be nice. Not interested in slumming it around the tropics in a floating dorm room. Separate shower is probably mandatory as well. The Passport 40 is the perfect boat, but I'm too poor for that. Well, I think ... my agent might tell me otherwise tomorrow. 40 feet is about the right size. If I could do it all on a CC 40 that would be the boat. Lack of tankage can be partially addressed with a water maker but it still fails on the ventilation bit and fuel tankage ... unless you guys can convince me otherwise. I get the impression from pictures that they lack storage (cubbies, cabinets, etc). They are priced right though and would leave enough money for a refit. Also, draft may be an issue. I really do love them though, totally based on aesthetics :) and not ashamed to admit that. Looks ARE important. All signs point to the 40 being a good sailor too and that's high on the list for both of us. We're not interested in getting around in an old shoe. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: I am reasonably sure there is an Ontario 38 at out club..it looks to be extremely well equipped for blue water sailing.I don't know who owns it but if you are serious about buying this one, let me know and I will attempt to locate its owner for you. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/02/03 9:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: Hi All, I'm trying to find more information about the Ontario 38. It's a reach because apparently there were only 4 made. George Cuthbertson was the designer. The Ontario 32 is a well regarded boat and apparently built well. The 38 is good looking but information is very slim. Anyone ever sailed on one of these? Knew/know an owner? There is one for sale sort of nearby. Here's a picture: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDEwMDA=/z/P6sAAOxyUrZS5TbV/$_20.JPG handsome. And what info I could find on sailboatdata: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3068 Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Hand Holds
Hi All, I need to replace one of the interior plastic(?) hand holds that CC used as corner molding on their late 80's to 90's boats like the 30 MKII, 34+, etc. Hard to explain but if you have one of these boats you will know what I mean. There is one located on the port side of the shelf that in part of the companion way interior steps. Here is a link to a photo of the broken hand hold. A higher quality material would be ideal. http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/Trysail1/media/IMG_0100_zps4bfbf267.jpg.html Thanks, Rob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Hand Holds
Looks like cast aluminum.should be possible to weld repair that, polish, paint and use again _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gallagher Sent: February 4, 2014 12:08 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Hand Holds Hi All, I need to replace one of the interior plastic(?) hand holds that CC used as corner molding on their late 80's to 90's boats like the 30 MKII, 34+, etc. Hard to explain but if you have one of these boats you will know what I mean. There is one located on the port side of the shelf that in part of the companion way interior steps. Here is a link to a photo of the broken hand hold. A higher quality material would be ideal. http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/Trysail1/media/IMG_0100_zps4bfbf267.jpg.ht ml Thanks, Rob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Hand Holds
See if South Shore Yachts still has them. I beleivve they are aluminum. Joel On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Robert Gallagher trys...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I need to replace one of the interior plastic(?) hand holds that CC used as corner molding on their late 80's to 90's boats like the 30 MKII, 34+, etc. Hard to explain but if you have one of these boats you will know what I mean. There is one located on the port side of the shelf that in part of the companion way interior steps. Here is a link to a photo of the broken hand hold. A higher quality material would be ideal. http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/Trysail1/media/IMG_0100_zps4bfbf267.jpg.html Thanks, Rob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
18 gallons of fuel and 70 of water here. I think EVERY non-Landfall CC is short on tankage and I have the extra water tank too. Joe Della Barba CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 11:02 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications While the 40 is a beautiful boat, I'm surprised at the small tankage. My LF38 came stock with 105 gals of water, 35 of fuel, and a 35 gal holding tank. Nothing like the CSY44 (with 400 gals of water and 200 of fuel...), but much more than most CC's. Seems like you have to work pretty hard to get tankage up to spec for longer distance cruising. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.commailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: Skip is also a very experienced offshore sailor. I like a lot of what he did on Saralane, but most I wouldn't bother with on my boat. I like to windows the way they are, and cutting open the transom and bridgedeck is more of a project than I want to tackle; it would take too much out of my sailing time. The installation of the holding atnk behind the head with a gravity feed to empty is the one thing that I can see doing. I also like the way he painted the interior. I like the Herreshoff look. And it lightens up the interior. I would add dorades and a tent over the forehatch. I might convert the forward ports to opening, and, as Dave mentioned, install a few fans. Andy CC 40 Peregrine ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Hand Holds
South Shore Yachts used to show these on their website store. I don't see them now but perhaps a call would be a good idea? South Shore Yachts 1544 Four Mile Creek Road Virgil, Ontario, Canada | L0S1T0 Toll Free 1 866 628-4080 Local 905 468-4340 Fax 905 468-1538 Hours of Operation Monday to Friday | 9am to 5pm Saturday and Sunday | By Appointment Rob MacLachlan | Owner/Sales Cody Montgomery | Service http://southshoreyachts.com/ Ken H. On 4 February 2014 12:07, Robert Gallagher trys...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I need to replace one of the interior plastic(?) hand holds that CC used as corner molding on their late 80's to 90's boats like the 30 MKII, 34+, etc. Hard to explain but if you have one of these boats you will know what I mean. There is one located on the port side of the shelf that in part of the companion way interior steps. Here is a link to a photo of the broken hand hold. A higher quality material would be ideal. http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/Trysail1/media/IMG_0100_zps4bfbf267.jpg.html Thanks, Rob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Hand Holds
Rob, We had one break on the Enterprise-A, a CC 34 (they were on the corners of the chart table and the dinette table). We looked quite a bit for a replacement (South Shore Yachts doesn’t appear to sell them), but had great results using some boat-show super epoxy. The fix lasted many years and survived Superstorm Sandy — little else of the boat did. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website On Feb 4, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Robert Gallagher trys...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I need to replace one of the interior plastic(?) hand holds that CC used as corner molding on their late 80's to 90's boats like the 30 MKII, 34+, etc. Hard to explain but if you have one of these boats you will know what I mean. There is one located on the port side of the shelf that in part of the companion way interior steps. Here is a link to a photo of the broken hand hold. A higher quality material would be ideal. http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/Trysail1/media/IMG_0100_zps4bfbf267.jpg.html Thanks, Rob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Hand Holds
Rob, If you can't epoxy it or find one, consider replacing it with a teak corner rail. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA From: Robert Gallagher trys...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 10:07 AM Subject: Stus-List Hand Holds Hi All, I need to replace one of the interior plastic(?) hand holds that CC used as corner molding on their late 80's to 90's boats like the 30 MKII, 34+, etc. Hard to explain but if you have one of these boats you will know what I mean. There is one located on the port side of the shelf that in part of the companion way interior steps. Here is a link to a photo of the broken hand hold. A higher quality material would be ideal. http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/Trysail1/media/IMG_0100_zps4bfbf267.jpg.html Thanks, Rob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Ontario 38
I have an original sales brochure from Ontario Yachts dated 1983. They were in business from 1961 to 1983 (or later). They built many boats including the Ontario 32, Ontario 28, Viking 33/34, Viking 28, Gazelle (Viking 22) and a Trawler called the Great Lakes 33 that are shown in the brochure. The Ontario 38 is not in this brochure. I can scan the brochure and post it on Photo Bucket if there is any interest? Best regards, Bob Hickson, P. Eng, RHI, CEA CC 29-2 Flying Colours Frenchman's Bay Yacht Club Pickering, ON (416) 919-2297 mailto:bobhick...@rogers.com bobhick...@rogers.com __/) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List boot stripe
I used to use Brightsides and redid the boots stripe yearly . Changed 3 years ago when I painted the boat and did the boots stripe in 2 part Interlux Perfection . I haven't had to redo the stripe since .I would strongly suggest switching to a 2 part paint ,in the end the added work to apply is more than offset by its durability DDrake 73 JH CC 26 On Feb 3, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: Monty, Thanks! If only the weather cooperates! Joel On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Monty Schumpert jmschump...@verizon.net wrote: Joel, I used Interlux Brightside for the blue boot stripes on my 34+. I have done them 3 times, 2 coats each time, and still have some left from a quart can, so a quart of each color should be plenty. Monty Scandia 1991 CC 34+ Annapolis, MD Sent from my iPad On Feb 2, 2014, at 4:42 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: All, I'm hoping it will warm up enough for me to repaint the red boot stripe and raise the blue boot stripe on my 35/3. How much paint do i need to do 2-3 coats of each color? Joel -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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David, The data sheet says not to apply over other paint. Did you ignore that (as I would)? Other than mixing it, is there any difference in the application process? Joel On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:01 PM, David Drake d...@rogers.com wrote: I used to use Brightsides and redid the boots stripe yearly . Changed 3 years ago when I painted the boat and did the boots stripe in 2 part Interlux Perfection . I haven't had to redo the stripe since .I would strongly suggest switching to a 2 part paint ,in the end the added work to apply is more than offset by its durability DDrake 73 JH CC 26 On Feb 3, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: Monty, Thanks! If only the weather cooperates! Joel On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Monty Schumpert jmschump...@verizon.netwrote: Joel, I used Interlux Brightside for the blue boot stripes on my 34+. I have done them 3 times, 2 coats each time, and still have some left from a quart can, so a quart of each color should be plenty. Monty Scandia 1991 CC 34+ Annapolis, MD Sent from my iPad On Feb 2, 2014, at 4:42 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: All, I'm hoping it will warm up enough for me to repaint the red boot stripe and raise the blue boot stripe on my 35/3. How much paint do i need to do 2-3 coats of each color? Joel -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ontario 38
I encourage you but the best laid plans When my wife and I left perfectly good jobs in 2006 to go cruising for a year or so our reasoning was that the time was perfect as we were in the middle of a recession and the market would be recovering when we got back in 2008. Are we smart or what! It all worked out thankfully, just realize you can't predict the future. John Sent from my iPad On Feb 4, 2014, at 10:18 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: I'm meeting with my real estate guy tomorrow morning to start a discussion about selling the house. I'm not entirely serious just yet, but serious enough. I have a chance here to live the dream for at least a few years, what happens after, I don't know. It's a serious consideration at this point, not yet a serious plan. Spreadsheets have been made, there's no turning back now! My logic is that the Canadian real estate market is overvalued and a correction is on the horizon. If I'm going to live in a depreciating asset it might as well be a boat :) The admiral and I are young yet and not in a rush to have kids. We can take off for a few years and see what happens. I may never have this chance again, I'm only going to get older and if my genetic heritage is of any indication, crabbier! Once kids are in the picture I can forget about cruising until I retire .. and I might be dead by then! (existential angst - you only live once) Curtis, same guy ;) What I want: Fin Keel. Solid build capable of doing passages, not interested in rounding any horns (but who knows how I'll feel in a few years, I prefer to keep my options open) Lots of opening ports/hatches (Caribbean cruising - I love the CC 40 but it fails on this point and lack of tankage but they sure are priced right and beautiful!) Commodious anchor locker, windlass or at least a good place to mount one. Lots of tankage. A nice interior that will make the admiral happy, specifically a proper galley. Quite frankly we plan to spend a lot more time at anchor than out in a gale so yeah, I like a nice interior! Without a house this is the primary residence, it better be nice. Not interested in slumming it around the tropics in a floating dorm room. Separate shower is probably mandatory as well. The Passport 40 is the perfect boat, but I'm too poor for that. Well, I think ... my agent might tell me otherwise tomorrow. 40 feet is about the right size. If I could do it all on a CC 40 that would be the boat. Lack of tankage can be partially addressed with a water maker but it still fails on the ventilation bit and fuel tankage ... unless you guys can convince me otherwise. I get the impression from pictures that they lack storage (cubbies, cabinets, etc). They are priced right though and would leave enough money for a refit. Also, draft may be an issue. I really do love them though, totally based on aesthetics :) and not ashamed to admit that. Looks ARE important. All signs point to the 40 being a good sailor too and that's high on the list for both of us. We're not interested in getting around in an old shoe. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: I am reasonably sure there is an Ontario 38 at out club..it looks to be extremely well equipped for blue water sailing.I don't know who owns it but if you are serious about buying this one, let me know and I will attempt to locate its owner for you. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/02/03 9:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: Hi All, I'm trying to find more information about the Ontario 38. It's a reach because apparently there were only 4 made. George Cuthbertson was the designer. The Ontario 32 is a well regarded boat and apparently built well. The 38 is good looking but information is very slim. Anyone ever sailed on one of these? Knew/know an owner? There is one for sale sort of nearby. Here's a picture: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDEwMDA=/z/P6sAAOxyUrZS5TbV/$_20.JPG handsome. And what info I could find on sailboatdata: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3068 Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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sailed on ont38 on launch day back in 80s...nice boat well built...owners sailed n atlantic down to mediterrean...and then to caribean ..lost track after that but sailmaking company sent them new main to argentina a few years later...they reported boat holding up well with no major problems ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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By 1993, (when I ordered my 36 XL/kcb), the standard fuel tank on this racer/cruiser was 48 gallons and there were 2 approximately 40 gallon water tanks under the settees. I added another water tank under the V-berth as an option of about 60 gallons. Of course, with all this tankage, there is little room to store anything--compromises, compromises! Since I mostly use the boat for club racing, the water tanks remain empty, although I keep the fuel tank at least 1/2 full all the time. I always tell my crew, I would trust the boat to take me wherever I wanted but I sure couldn't take much gear with me! Charlie Nelson CC 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:08 am Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications 18 gallons of fuel and 70 of water here. I think EVERY non-Landfall CC is short on tankage and I have the “extra” water tank too. Joe Della Barba CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 11:02 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications While the 40 is a beautiful boat, I’m surprised at the small tankage. My LF38 came stock with 105 gals of water, 35 of fuel, and a 35 gal holding tank. Nothing like the CSY44 (with 400 gals of water and 200 of fuel…), but much more than most CC’s. Seems like you have to work pretty hard to get tankage up to spec for longer distance cruising. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: Skip is also a very experienced offshore sailor. I like a lot of what he did on Saralane, but most I wouldn't bother with on my boat. I like to windows the way they are, and cutting open the transom and bridgedeck is more of a project than I want to tackle; it would take too much out of my sailing time. The installation of the holding atnk behind the head with a gravity feed to empty is the one thing that I can see doing. I also like the way he painted the interior. I like the Herreshoff look. And it lightens up the interior. I would add dorades and a tent over the forehatch. I might convert the forward ports to opening, and, as Dave mentioned, install a few fans. Andy CC 40 Peregrine ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ontario 38
Thanks for all the responses everyone, your feedback is much appreciated. There's quite a few of the customs in the 40+ range around here for seemingly little money. I know nothing of the 41 for example except that they seem readily available around here. Any thoughts on the 41? I like the 38mkII as well and maybe it's more manageable from a maintenance and dockage perspective. There's only two of us, after all. Sorry to hear about your health troubles Rich and I hope you can keep sailing. Ahem... http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1980/C-%26-C-40-2408263/Lower/CT/United-States#.UvE1B2RDupI for that kind of money I could afford to have it delivered! Speaking of which, thanks for your input Andrew, I was hoping you'd pipe up. Saralane is a nice boat but I only found a few scraps of info on their blog about the actual boat. The cutaway transom sure is fancy and from the pics it looks like he added opening ports where the aft-most deadlights were. Pretty cool but beyond my fabrication abilities. I imagine that he painted the deck? If I wanted to add opening ports they'd likely end up on either side of the companionway hatch. At this stage, the main thing that concerns me about the 40 is fuel and water capacity. Water capacity can be addressed with a water maker. Fuel is harder. Is there any room under the cockpit for a bigger built in tank? I don't like the idea of a flexible tank moving around back there. It's fun to dream, what else are lunch breaks for? Enjoy your day gents. Steve Suhana, CC ! :) Toronto On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:43 PM, j...@svpaws.net j...@svpaws.net wrote: I encourage you but the best laid plans When my wife and I left perfectly good jobs in 2006 to go cruising for a year or so our reasoning was that the time was perfect as we were in the middle of a recession and the market would be recovering when we got back in 2008. Are we smart or what! It all worked out thankfully, just realize you can't predict the future. John Sent from my iPad On Feb 4, 2014, at 10:18 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: I'm meeting with my real estate guy tomorrow morning to start a discussion about selling the house. I'm not entirely serious just yet, but serious enough. I have a chance here to live the dream for at least a few years, what happens after, I don't know. It's a serious *consideration* at this point, not yet a serious plan. Spreadsheets have been made, there's no turning back now! My logic is that the Canadian real estate market is overvalued and a correction is on the horizon. If I'm going to live in a depreciating asset it might as well be a boat :) The admiral and I are young yet and not in a rush to have kids. We can take off for a few years and see what happens. I may never have this chance again, I'm only going to get older and if my genetic heritage is of any indication, crabbier! Once kids are in the picture I can forget about cruising until I retire .. and I might be dead by then! (existential angst - you only live once) Curtis, same guy ;) What I want: Fin Keel. Solid build capable of doing passages, not interested in rounding any horns (but who knows how I'll feel in a few years, I prefer to keep my options open) Lots of opening ports/hatches (Caribbean cruising - I love the CC 40 but it fails on this point and lack of tankage but they sure are priced right and beautiful!) Commodious anchor locker, windlass or at least a good place to mount one. Lots of tankage. A nice interior that will make the admiral happy, specifically a proper galley. Quite frankly we plan to spend a lot more time at anchor than out in a gale so yeah, I like a nice interior! Without a house this is the primary residence, it better be nice. Not interested in slumming it around the tropics in a floating dorm room. Separate shower is probably mandatory as well. The Passport 40 is the perfect boat, but I'm too poor for that. Well, I think ... my agent might tell me otherwise tomorrow. 40 feet is about the right size. If I could do it all on a CC 40 that would be the boat. Lack of tankage can be partially addressed with a water maker but it still fails on the ventilation bit and fuel tankage ... unless you guys can convince me otherwise. I get the impression from pictures that they lack storage (cubbies, cabinets, etc). They are priced right though and would leave enough money for a refit. Also, draft may be an issue. I really do love them though, totally based on aesthetics :) and not ashamed to admit that. Looks ARE important. All signs point to the 40 being a good sailor too and that's high on the list for both of us. We're not interested in getting around in an old shoe. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.cawrote: I am reasonably sure there is an Ontario 38 at out club..it looks to be extremely well equipped for blue water sailing.I don't
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That is awesome feedback Jimmy! Thanks a lot. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Jimmy Kelly kellyjimmy...@gmail.com wrote: sailed on ont38 on launch day back in 80s...nice boat well built...owners sailed n atlantic down to mediterrean...and then to caribean ..lost track after that but sailmaking company sent them new main to argentina a few years later...they reported boat holding up well with no major problems ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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I have seen what Perfection does to a one-part undercoat. It's a good way to waste money and time... Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 4 February 2014 10:25, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: David, The data sheet says not to apply over other paint. Did you ignore that (as I would)? Other than mixing it, is there any difference in the application process? Joel On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:01 PM, David Drake d...@rogers.com wrote: I used to use Brightsides and redid the boots stripe yearly . Changed 3 years ago when I painted the boat and did the boots stripe in 2 part Interlux Perfection . I haven't had to redo the stripe since .I would strongly suggest switching to a 2 part paint ,in the end the added work to apply is more than offset by its durability DDrake 73 JH CC 26 On Feb 3, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: Monty, Thanks! If only the weather cooperates! Joel On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Monty Schumpert jmschump...@verizon.netwrote: Joel, I used Interlux Brightside for the blue boot stripes on my 34+. I have done them 3 times, 2 coats each time, and still have some left from a quart can, so a quart of each color should be plenty. Monty Scandia 1991 CC 34+ Annapolis, MD Sent from my iPad On Feb 2, 2014, at 4:42 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: All, I'm hoping it will warm up enough for me to repaint the red boot stripe and raise the blue boot stripe on my 35/3. How much paint do i need to do 2-3 coats of each color? Joel -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Steven could you re-send that link to the Utube for the boat that was on a fishing trip to castle rock somewhere in Florida? Thanks Richard 1985 37 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9 Louisville, Kentucky 40220 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 2:08 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Ontario 38 Thanks for all the responses everyone, your feedback is much appreciated. There's quite a few of the customs in the 40+ range around here for seemingly little money. I know nothing of the 41 for example except that they seem readily available around here. Any thoughts on the 41? I like the 38mkII as well and maybe it's more manageable from a maintenance and dockage perspective. There's only two of us, after all. Sorry to hear about your health troubles Rich and I hope you can keep sailing. Ahem... http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1980/C-%26-C-40-2408263/Lower/CT/United-States#.UvE1B2RDupI for that kind of money I could afford to have it delivered! Speaking of which, thanks for your input Andrew, I was hoping you'd pipe up. Saralane is a nice boat but I only found a few scraps of info on their blog about the actual boat. The cutaway transom sure is fancy and from the pics it looks like he added opening ports where the aft-most deadlights were. Pretty cool but beyond my fabrication abilities. I imagine that he painted the deck? If I wanted to add opening ports they'd likely end up on either side of the companionway hatch. At this stage, the main thing that concerns me about the 40 is fuel and water capacity. Water capacity can be addressed with a water maker. Fuel is harder. Is there any room under the cockpit for a bigger built in tank? I don't like the idea of a flexible tank moving around back there. It's fun to dream, what else are lunch breaks for? Enjoy your day gents. Steve Suhana, CC ! :) Toronto On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:43 PM, j...@svpaws.net j...@svpaws.net wrote: I encourage you but the best laid plans When my wife and I left perfectly good jobs in 2006 to go cruising for a year or so our reasoning was that the time was perfect as we were in the middle of a recession and the market would be recovering when we got back in 2008. Are we smart or what! It all worked out thankfully, just realize you can't predict the future. John Sent from my iPad On Feb 4, 2014, at 10:18 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: I'm meeting with my real estate guy tomorrow morning to start a discussion about selling the house. I'm not entirely serious just yet, but serious enough. I have a chance here to live the dream for at least a few years, what happens after, I don't know. It's a serious consideration at this point, not yet a serious plan. Spreadsheets have been made, there's no turning back now! My logic is that the Canadian real estate market is overvalued and a correction is on the horizon. If I'm going to live in a depreciating asset it might as well be a boat :) The admiral and I are young yet and not in a rush to have kids. We can take off for a few years and see what happens. I may never have this chance again, I'm only going to get older and if my genetic heritage is of any indication, crabbier! Once kids are in the picture I can forget about cruising until I retire .. and I might be dead by then! (existential angst - you only live once) Curtis, same guy ;) What I want: Fin Keel. Solid build capable of doing passages, not interested in rounding any horns (but who knows how I'll feel in a few years, I prefer to keep my options open) Lots of opening ports/hatches (Caribbean cruising - I love the CC 40 but it fails on this point and lack of tankage but they sure are priced right and beautiful!) Commodious anchor locker, windlass or at least a good place to mount one. Lots of tankage. A nice interior that will make the admiral happy, specifically a proper galley. Quite frankly we plan to spend a lot more time at anchor than out in a gale so yeah, I like a nice interior! Without a house this is the primary residence, it better be nice. Not interested in slumming it around the tropics in a floating dorm room. Separate shower is probably mandatory as well. The Passport 40 is the perfect boat, but I'm too poor for that. Well, I think ... my agent might tell me otherwise tomorrow. 40 feet is about the right size. If I could do it all on a CC 40 that would be the boat. Lack of tankage can be partially addressed with a water maker but it still fails on the ventilation bit and fuel tankage ... unless you guys can convince me otherwise. I get the impression from pictures that they lack storage (cubbies, cabinets, etc). They are priced right though and would leave enough money for a refit. Also, draft may be an issue. I really do love them though, totally based on aesthetics :) and not
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If you prime it first you should be OK. Call the techs at the company first if you have any doubts. But I'd second using the good LP paints. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Jim Watts paradigmat...@gmail.com wrote: I have seen what Perfection does to a one-part undercoat. It's a good way to waste money and time... Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 4 February 2014 10:25, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: David, The data sheet says not to apply over other paint. Did you ignore that (as I would)? Other than mixing it, is there any difference in the application process? Joel On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:01 PM, David Drake d...@rogers.com wrote: I used to use Brightsides and redid the boots stripe yearly . Changed 3 years ago when I painted the boat and did the boots stripe in 2 part Interlux Perfection . I haven't had to redo the stripe since .I would strongly suggest switching to a 2 part paint ,in the end the added work to apply is more than offset by its durability DDrake 73 JH CC 26 On Feb 3, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: Monty, Thanks! If only the weather cooperates! Joel On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Monty Schumpert jmschump...@verizon.net wrote: Joel, I used Interlux Brightside for the blue boot stripes on my 34+. I have done them 3 times, 2 coats each time, and still have some left from a quart can, so a quart of each color should be plenty. Monty Scandia 1991 CC 34+ Annapolis, MD Sent from my iPad On Feb 2, 2014, at 4:42 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: All, I'm hoping it will warm up enough for me to repaint the red boot stripe and raise the blue boot stripe on my 35/3. How much paint do i need to do 2-3 coats of each color? Joel -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ontario 38
Steve I have made multiple trips to Bermuda with the flex tank. Zero issues. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com Date:02/04/2014 2:08 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ontario 38 Thanks for all the responses everyone, your feedback is much appreciated. There's quite a few of the customs in the 40+ range around here for seemingly little money. I know nothing of the 41 for example except that they seem readily available around here. Any thoughts on the 41? I like the 38mkII as well and maybe it's more manageable from a maintenance and dockage perspective. There's only two of us, after all. Sorry to hear about your health troubles Rich and I hope you can keep sailing. Ahem... http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1980/C-%26-C-40-2408263/Lower/CT/United-States#.UvE1B2RDupI for that kind of money I could afford to have it delivered! Speaking of which, thanks for your input Andrew, I was hoping you'd pipe up. Saralane is a nice boat but I only found a few scraps of info on their blog about the actual boat. The cutaway transom sure is fancy and from the pics it looks like he added opening ports where the aft-most deadlights were. Pretty cool but beyond my fabrication abilities. I imagine that he painted the deck? If I wanted to add opening ports they'd likely end up on either side of the companionway hatch. At this stage, the main thing that concerns me about the 40 is fuel and water capacity. Water capacity can be addressed with a water maker. Fuel is harder. Is there any room under the cockpit for a bigger built in tank? I don't like the idea of a flexible tank moving around back there. It's fun to dream, what else are lunch breaks for? Enjoy your day gents. Steve Suhana, CC ! :) Toronto On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:43 PM, j...@svpaws.net j...@svpaws.net wrote: I encourage you but the best laid plans When my wife and I left perfectly good jobs in 2006 to go cruising for a year or so our reasoning was that the time was perfect as we were in the middle of a recession and the market would be recovering when we got back in 2008. Are we smart or what! It all worked out thankfully, just realize you can't predict the future. John Sent from my iPad On Feb 4, 2014, at 10:18 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: I'm meeting with my real estate guy tomorrow morning to start a discussion about selling the house. I'm not entirely serious just yet, but serious enough. I have a chance here to live the dream for at least a few years, what happens after, I don't know. It's a serious *consideration* at this point, not yet a serious plan. Spreadsheets have been made, there's no turning back now! My logic is that the Canadian real estate market is overvalued and a correction is on the horizon. If I'm going to live in a depreciating asset it might as well be a boat :) The admiral and I are young yet and not in a rush to have kids. We can take off for a few years and see what happens. I may never have this chance again, I'm only going to get older and if my genetic heritage is of any indication, crabbier! Once kids are in the picture I can forget about cruising until I retire .. and I might be dead by then! (existential angst - you only live once) Curtis, same guy ;) What I want: Fin Keel. Solid build capable of doing passages, not interested in rounding any horns (but who knows how I'll feel in a few years, I prefer to keep my options open) Lots of opening ports/hatches (Caribbean cruising - I love the CC 40 but it fails on this point and lack of tankage but they sure are priced right and beautiful!) Commodious anchor locker, windlass or at least a good place to mount one. Lots of tankage. A nice interior that will make the admiral happy, specifically a proper galley. Quite frankly we plan to spend a lot more time at anchor than out in a gale so yeah, I like a nice interior! Without a house this is the primary residence, it better be nice. Not interested in slumming it around the tropics in a floating dorm room. Separate shower is probably mandatory as well. The Passport 40 is the perfect boat, but I'm too poor for that. Well, I think ... my agent might tell me otherwise tomorrow. 40 feet is about the right size. If I could do it all on a CC 40 that would be the boat. Lack of tankage can be partially addressed with a water maker but it still fails on the ventilation bit and fuel tankage ... unless you guys can convince me otherwise. I get the impression from pictures that they lack storage (cubbies, cabinets, etc). They are priced right though and would leave enough money for a refit. Also, draft may be an issue. I really do love them though, totally based on aesthetics :) and not ashamed to admit that. Looks ARE important. All signs point to the 40 being a good sailor too and that's high on the list for both of us.
Re: Stus-List boot stripe
Use 3M Fine Line Tape and press the edge down with a fingernail or the like. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:56 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with that based on experience with the lines on my 27...and clean the surface well with solvent...be neat with taping...what is the best tape for this job? -- *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David Drake *Sent:* February 4, 2014 2:02 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List boot stripe I used to use Brightsides and redid the boots stripe yearly . Changed 3 years ago when I painted the boat and did the boots stripe in 2 part Interlux Perfection . I haven't had to redo the stripe since .I would strongly suggest switching to a 2 part paint ,in the end the added work to apply is more than offset by its durability DDrake 73 JH CC 26 On Feb 3, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: Monty, Thanks! If only the weather cooperates! Joel On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Monty Schumpert jmschump...@verizon.net wrote: Joel, I used Interlux Brightside for the blue boot stripes on my 34+. I have done them 3 times, 2 coats each time, and still have some left from a quart can, so a quart of each color should be plenty. Monty Scandia 1991 CC 34+ Annapolis, MD Sent from my iPad On Feb 2, 2014, at 4:42 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: All, I'm hoping it will warm up enough for me to repaint the red boot stripe and raise the blue boot stripe on my 35/3. How much paint do i need to do 2-3 coats of each color? Joel -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List boot stripe
All, I used Brightside last year and had great results. Took me 5 hours to tape and 1 hour to put on two coats. Would recommend four to five coats. Before: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XcgqUheOalQ/T6_QiRA1NQI/Bjs/KGwTke51JOw/s1600/P5120433.JPG After: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ckLCrcEg59o/UZjpj0736wI/Bz0/l5Yyho7rGKs/s1600/2013-05-18+12.57.19.jpg All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net wrote: FWIW, Brightside works fine for me for bootstripe. I can easily touch up any scars in the bootstripe each spring and PoliGlow does an amazing job of making the touchups blend and it all looks brand new. I don't see the value in the two part paints as they need measuring and mixing and if you add a flattener, it's a two part flattener, making it a four part paint. I remember reading somewhere that Interlux recommends using their single part paints for high traffic areas or places that might get scraped, anywhere you expect to be touching up now and then. It's so easy to just open a can of brightside and pour a thimble full in a plastic cup and dab on a bit of paint and throw away the brush and cup. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:25:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List boot stripe David, The data sheet says not to apply over other paint. Did you ignore that (as I would)? Other than mixing it, is there any difference in the application process? Joel ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List boot stripe
Brightside: Forgot to mention, I changed our bootstripe in 2007 from red to flag blue. For six years it held up well and I had very few touchups. Then last year, I changed it to black and added two black vinyl tape stripes above it. I was redoing my PoliGlow, so removed most of that 1st. Then I simply sanded the flag blue boot stripe to provide tooth, 150, then 220, wiped with 202 I think, then painted a coat of brightside, lightly sanded with 320 and painted second coat. Why use tape? No wait for drying. Needs very small weather window. No need for second coat. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ - Original Message - From: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 3:48:14 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List boot stripe FWIW, Brightside works fine for me for bootstripe. I can easily touch up any scars in the bootstripe each spring and PoliGlow does an amazing job of making the touchups blend and it all looks brand new. I don't see the value in the two part paints as they need measuring and mixing and if you add a flattener, it's a two part flattener, making it a four part paint. I remember reading somewhere that Interlux recommends using their single part paints for high traffic areas or places that might get scraped, anywhere you expect to be touching up now and then. It's so easy to just open a can of brightside and pour a thimble full in a plastic cup and dab on a bit of paint and throw away the brush and cup. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ - Original Message - From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:25:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List boot stripe David, The data sheet says not to apply over other paint. Did you ignore that (as I would)? Other than mixing it, is there any difference in the application process? Joel On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:01 PM, David Drake d...@rogers.com wrote: I used to use Brightsides and redid the boots stripe yearly . Changed 3 years ago when I painted the boat and did the boots stripe in 2 part Interlux Perfection . I haven't had to redo the stripe since .I would strongly suggest switching to a 2 part paint ,in the end the added work to apply is more than offset by its durability DDrake 73 JH CC 26 On Feb 3, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote Monty, Thanks! If only the weather cooperates! Joel On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Monty Schumpert jmschump...@verizon.net wrote: blockquote Joel, I used Interlux Brightside for the blue boot stripes on my 34+. I have done them 3 times, 2 coats each time, and still have some left from a quart can, so a quart of each color should be plenty. Monty Scandia 1991 CC 34+ Annapolis, MD Sent from my iPad On Feb 2, 2014, at 4:42 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: All, I'm hoping it will warm up enough for me to repaint the red boot stripe and raise the blue boot stripe on my 35/3. How much paint do i need to do 2-3 coats of each color? Joel -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 /blockquote blockquote ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com /blockquote ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com /blockquote -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
Nobody asked but that doesn't stop me. The CC 37+ (also known as the CC 37/40+ and by 1993, the CC 40 Series) Tankage: Tank Capacity, Fuel: 166 litres (37 Imp Gal. - 44 US Gal) Tank Capacity, Water: 299 litres (66 Imp Gal. - 79 US Gal) Bow Tank: 87 litres (19 Imp Gal. - 23 US Gal) Port Tank: 106 litres (23.3 Imp Gal. - 28 US Gal) Starboard Tank: 106 litres (23.3 Imp Gal. - 28 US Gal) There is quite a bit of storage under the V-berth, in cabinets along both sides of the forward and aft cabins and also both sides of the main cabin (Saloon) and behind one of the settee backs. There is a fair bit of storage in the Galley and a big Ice Box (Refrigerator Capacity: 7.6 cu. ft.). There is a decent sized Anchor Locker, a couple of good sized Cockpit Lockers and a large Lazarette (with a rather small hatch for access). No real bilge storage to speak of though and not much extra space under the settees depending on how many batteries you have in your house bank, we have 500 amp hours. For racing, by running with almost empty fuel and water tanks and taking all the cruising stuff off the boat we can lighten ship by over a ton. (2100 lbs.) so there must be some storage capacity... Displacement (Dry): 15,900 lbs. (Cruising): 18,000 lbs. Ballast: 6,990 lbs. External Lead Fin Keel Cruising Displacement includes: * full water fuel tanks * dodger, bimini, barbeque, spare sails * books, manuals, first aid emergency equipment * dinghy w/ outboard fuel, generator w/ spare fuel * pots, pans, food, beverages, clothing, bedding, etc. Ken Heaton Anne Tobin S/V Salazar - Can 54955 CC 37/40 XL - Hull # 67 Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia On 4 February 2014 14:47, cenel...@aol.com wrote: By 1993, (when I ordered my 36 XL/kcb), the standard fuel tank on this racer/cruiser was 48 gallons and there were 2 approximately 40 gallon water tanks under the settees. I added another water tank under the V-berth as an option of about 60 gallons. Of course, with all this tankage, there is little room to store anything--compromises, compromises! Since I mostly use the boat for club racing, the water tanks remain empty, although I keep the fuel tank at least 1/2 full all the time. I always tell my crew, I would trust the boat to take me wherever I wanted but I sure couldn't take much gear with me! Charlie Nelson CC 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:08 am Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications 18 gallons of fuel and 70 of water here. I think EVERY non-Landfall CC is short on tankage and I have the extra water tank too. *Joe Della Barba* CC 35 MK I *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com?] *On Behalf Of *Frederick G Street *Sent:* Tuesday, February 04, 2014 11:02 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications While the 40 is a beautiful boat, I'm surprised at the small tankage. My LF38 came stock with 105 gals of water, 35 of fuel, and a 35 gal holding tank. Nothing like the CSY44 (with 400 gals of water and 200 of fuel...), but much more than most CC's. Seems like you have to work pretty hard to get tankage up to spec for longer distance cruising. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V *Oceanis* (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: Skip is also a very experienced offshore sailor. I like a lot of what he did on Saralane, but most I wouldn't bother with on my boat. I like to windows the way they are, and cutting open the transom and bridgedeck is more of a project than I want to tackle; it would take too much out of my sailing time. The installation of the holding atnk behind the head with a gravity feed to empty is the one thing that I can see doing. I also like the way he painted the interior. I like the Herreshoff look. And it lightens up the interior. I would add dorades and a tent over the forehatch. I might convert the forward ports to opening, and, as Dave mentioned, install a few fans. Andy CC 40 Peregrine ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications
I like how Ken lists the first aid kit as “cruising” stuff. Way too much coddling of our race crews. :-) All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website On Feb 4, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Ken Heaton kenhea...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody asked but that doesn't stop me. The CC 37+ (also known as the CC 37/40+ and by 1993, the CC 40 Series) Tankage: Tank Capacity, Fuel: 166 litres (37 Imp Gal. - 44 US Gal) Tank Capacity, Water: 299 litres (66 Imp Gal. - 79 US Gal) Bow Tank: 87 litres (19 Imp Gal. - 23 US Gal) Port Tank: 106 litres (23.3 Imp Gal. - 28 US Gal) Starboard Tank: 106 litres (23.3 Imp Gal. - 28 US Gal) There is quite a bit of storage under the V-berth, in cabinets along both sides of the forward and aft cabins and also both sides of the main cabin (Saloon) and behind one of the settee backs. There is a fair bit of storage in the Galley and a big Ice Box (Refrigerator Capacity: 7.6 cu. ft.). There is a decent sized Anchor Locker, a couple of good sized Cockpit Lockers and a large Lazarette (with a rather small hatch for access). No real bilge storage to speak of though and not much extra space under the settees depending on how many batteries you have in your house bank, we have 500 amp hours. For racing, by running with almost empty fuel and water tanks and taking all the cruising stuff off the boat we can lighten ship by over a ton. (2100 lbs.) so there must be some storage capacity... Displacement (Dry): 15,900 lbs. (Cruising): 18,000 lbs. Ballast: 6,990 lbs. External Lead Fin Keel Cruising Displacement includes: • full water fuel tanks • dodger, bimini, barbeque, spare sails • books, manuals, first aid emergency equipment • dinghy w/ outboard fuel, generator w/ spare fuel • pots, pans, food, beverages, clothing, bedding, etc. Ken Heaton Anne Tobin S/V Salazar - Can 54955 CC 37/40 XL - Hull # 67 Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia On 4 February 2014 14:47, cenel...@aol.com wrote: By 1993, (when I ordered my 36 XL/kcb), the standard fuel tank on this racer/cruiser was 48 gallons and there were 2 approximately 40 gallon water tanks under the settees. I added another water tank under the V-berth as an option of about 60 gallons. Of course, with all this tankage, there is little room to store anything--compromises, compromises! Since I mostly use the boat for club racing, the water tanks remain empty, although I keep the fuel tank at least 1/2 full all the time. I always tell my crew, I would trust the boat to take me wherever I wanted but I sure couldn't take much gear with me! Charlie Nelson CC 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:08 am Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications 18 gallons of fuel and 70 of water here. I think EVERY non-Landfall CC is short on tankage and I have the “extra” water tank too. Joe Della Barba CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 11:02 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 40, et al, cruising modifications While the 40 is a beautiful boat, I’m surprised at the small tankage. My LF38 came stock with 105 gals of water, 35 of fuel, and a 35 gal holding tank. Nothing like the CSY44 (with 400 gals of water and 200 of fuel…), but much more than most CC’s. Seems like you have to work pretty hard to get tankage up to spec for longer distance cruising. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: Skip is also a very experienced offshore sailor. I like a lot of what he did on Saralane, but most I wouldn't bother with on my boat. I like to windows the way they are, and cutting open the transom and bridgedeck is more of a project than I want to tackle; it would take too much out of my sailing time. The installation of the holding atnk behind the head with a gravity feed to empty is the one thing that I can see doing. I also like the way he painted the interior. I like the Herreshoff look. And it lightens up the interior. I would add dorades and a tent over the forehatch. I might convert the forward ports to opening, and, as Dave mentioned, install a few fans. Andy CC 40 Peregrine ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com
Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models
the rob ball designed 41 is great boat looks...interior but not a great offshore cruiser...not much fun in bigger offshore chop...,will take it but crew will be very uncomfortable.if i were beginning long offshore cruising destinations ..would look for cnc designed newport 41s ...whitby 45 ..cnc design...redline 41...these boats all cuthbertson inspired designs...not built for any particular racing rulebut rather fast ,close winded...good load carrying ability..all raced successfully ..under cca rule,ior 1,ior 23a...but also hulls dont pound in rough seas..very dry upwind sailing...as to things like ventilation etc various owners have used AH offshore opening ports...low diesel engine required especially if repowered by newer high torque engines...giving long range motor cruising...but you will probably actually sail these models more than motorthese boats come up for sale ..just keep looking... or go simple routelandfall 38...little slower under sail ..not as close winded but good offshore boats...a number of these models can be flatbed road shipped without escorts or over height restrictionsmy experience would rate land fall 38 42s over ontario 38 a cnc cuthbert design...although it appeared to sail well when new... ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 41...offshore cnc models
Jimmy — thanks, now I feel better about my boat with respect to that $29,000 CC40 mentioned earlier… :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Jimmy Kelly kellyjimmy...@gmail.com wrote: landfall 38...little slower under sail ..not as close winded but good offshore boats... ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 97, Issue 8
Will, Thanks. Now get back to the Redline 41! I see the hull is coming along :)) Joel On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Will Harris w...@waterlinesystems.comwrote: As part of my job, I talk to a lot of do it yourselfers, helping them out with projects. I'm coming to the conclusion that one of the most important differences between us and amateurs is that we follow the directions! I talk to people who had paint fail, or something else not work right, and almost every time they had a cheaper, faster, better way than the manufacturer recommended. The guys who make this stuff are experts, doing exactly what they say prevents a ton of headaches. ( And for us, warranty problems!) Will On 4 February 2014 10:25, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: David, The data sheet says not to apply over other paint. Did you ignore that (as I would)? Other than mixing it, is there any difference in the application process? Joel -- Will Harris Waterline Systems 716-531-6088 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List when to go cruising
go as young as able to afford a reasonable boat...time flys...first cruiser offshore was cnc 25 modified in 74 ...then cnc redline 41 ...have never regreted a moment ...now live ashore in condo but still sail boat regularily...have watched others prepare,,,others dream,,,others plan,,,but never get to really go anywhere what they dreamed.a few friends over the years did europe ..med..others circumnavigate globe finally settle in new zealand..another australiabut 20 to 1 actually ever left ...because of jobs kids,going poor preparing to go...fancy water makers,electronics things not really needed..go soon get a cnc design.cuthbertson older if possible be off also every dollar spent on getting ready is out of cruising kitty... determines how long can be free...good luck ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List when to go cruising
I love this response. I will go... I just have to get the last child into college. sell one house keep 2 rented sell one car an move our stuff to a rental unit. and were off Fall 2018 is the goal. Cheers(i'm Going On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Jimmy Kelly kellyjimmy...@gmail.com wrote: go as young as able to afford a reasonable boat...time flys...first cruiser offshore was cnc 25 modified in 74 ...then cnc redline 41 ...have never regreted a moment ...now live ashore in condo but still sail boat regularily...have watched others prepare,,,others dream,,,others plan,,,but never get to really go anywhere what they dreamed.a few friends over the years did europe ..med..others circumnavigate globe finally settle in new zealand..another australiabut 20 to 1 actually ever left ...because of jobs kids,going poor preparing to go...fancy water makers,electronics things not really needed..go soon get a cnc design.cuthbertson older if possible be off also every dollar spent on getting ready is out of cruising kitty... determines how long can be free...good luck ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T. E. Lawrence . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 97, Issue 8
I stripped the entire hull down to gel coat and epoxy primed it with 2 sprayed coats . Painted to the water line with 2part perfection (white) Then painted the red bootstripe ( also Perfection) over the the white. Will is right, paint manufactures do know their products ! Is your boat painted or original gel coat? If it's gel coat you would only need to properly prepare the boot stripe area by cleaning ,sanding and priming with a compatible primer to the 2part paint you have chosen. If your boat is painted ,as mine was ,you need to get to the gel coat layer and start from there I painted the boot stripe by brush ,that way you only need a decent cartridge type respirator ,if you spray then you need a supplied air respirator Hope this helps DDrake 73 JH CC 26 On Feb 4, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Will Harris w...@waterlinesystems.com wrote: As part of my job, I talk to a lot of do it yourselfers, helping them out with projects. I'm coming to the conclusion that one of the most important differences between us and amateurs is that we follow the directions! I talk to people who had paint fail, or something else not work right, and almost every time they had a cheaper, faster, better way than the manufacturer recommended. The guys who make this stuff are experts, doing exactly what they say prevents a ton of headaches. ( And for us, warranty problems!) Will On 4 February 2014 10:25, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: David, The data sheet says not to apply over other paint. Did you ignore that (as I would)? Other than mixing it, is there any difference in the application process? Joel -- Will Harris Waterline Systems 716-531-6088 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List boot stripe
I used the normally available blue masking tape because you can make it curve .That also causes the paint to bleed,I spent a fair bit of time working the edge of the tape down sir have plastic spreader to tryand seal the edges. That worked okay but not perfectly . Frog tape is reputed the not bleed ,but I have never tried it myself There must be some automotive tape that would work and still take a curve? DDrake 73 JH CC 26 On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:56 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with that based on experience with the lines on my 27…and clean the surface well with solvent…be neat with taping…what is the best tape for this job? From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Drake Sent: February 4, 2014 2:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List boot stripe I used to use Brightsides and redid the boots stripe yearly . Changed 3 years ago when I painted the boat and did the boots stripe in 2 part Interlux Perfection . I haven't had to redo the stripe since .I would strongly suggest switching to a 2 part paint ,in the end the added work to apply is more than offset by its durability DDrake 73 JH CC 26 On Feb 3, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: Monty, Thanks! If only the weather cooperates! Joel On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Monty Schumpert jmschump...@verizon.net wrote: Joel, I used Interlux Brightside for the blue boot stripes on my 34+. I have done them 3 times, 2 coats each time, and still have some left from a quart can, so a quart of each color should be plenty. Monty Scandia 1991 CC 34+ Annapolis, MD Sent from my iPad On Feb 2, 2014, at 4:42 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: All, I'm hoping it will warm up enough for me to repaint the red boot stripe and raise the blue boot stripe on my 35/3. How much paint do i need to do 2-3 coats of each color? Joel -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Topsides and bootstripe painting - a long story with a moral
Just relating my experience painting Touche' a couple years ago. Touche' has always been on Lake Pontchartrain and is/was a boat well known in the area. A couple older sailors told me that one of the previous owners had hired the local boatyard's painter over a weekend to paint the boat. Rumor was they careened Touche' alongside a bulkhead by putting an anchor in the grass out from the bulkhead and heeling it with a halyard and winch. The painter worked from a dinghy. The next day, they spun the boat and painted the other side. No one seemed to know what paint was used. The most common guess was Imron. I originally thought about painting the boat myself. The boat was in a yard where a contractor who had just done the bottom. The painting contractor had looked at the existing topsides paint and commented that something didn't look right about it. It had numerous fisheyes, small pinhead sized holes in several areas. He said that could be due to several underlying causes; improper surface preparation, improper solvent use, etc. He is well respected. I listened to him and decided to let him spray the boat after I prepped it. He was great to work with and offered a lot of good advice. I opted to use red Awlcraft 2000 paint which is somewhere north of $200/gallon. We didn't want to screw this project up at those prices. He suggested I prep the old paint by scrubbing it with Comet with a DA polisher then sanding with 320 grit. I dutifully took 2 days to do it. We then taped off a test area. He had just sprayed another boat with white Awlcraft 2000 and came over to shoot the test area. Almost immediately after he applied the Awlcraft, the existing paint began to peel up, the white Awlcraft blended with Touche's existing red to form an awesome pink and some of the new Awlcraft simply beaded up on top of the existing paint. Not good. I spent 2 more days with a Hutchins sander removing whatever the heck paint(s) was on the boat. I went through at least two layers of old paint before turning it over to the contractor. He applied 3 coats of high build primer before he felt comfortable enough to apply the Awlcraft. He said the first coat still seemed to react with the underlying paint(s). In the end, the boat looks fabulous. Moral of the story: Don't assume you can just spray on some paint. You need to either know what paint you're covering or do a lot of prep and use a really good primer. Also, if you need to sand above the waterline, consider using a Hutchins sander. A disc sander requires a very, very steady hand to not rock it and leaves gouges. Even the smallest gouge or depression will show when using high gloss paint. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List boot stripe
On my old Catalina, I changed the boot stripe from brown to blue using Brightside. On that boat, there were parts of the stripe in the water most of the time, and every year much of the paint would come off when she got power washed in the fall. I spoke to the Interlux people and they said that no stripe paint on the market would stand up to being below waterline for any length of time. In response, I switched to vinyl tape. That was still going strong when I sold her 5 years later. I would definitely go the vinyl route again. Jim Reinardy CC 30-2 Firewater Milwaukee, WI Sent from my iPad On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net wrote: Brightside: Forgot to mention, I changed our bootstripe in 2007 from red to flag blue. For six years it held up well and I had very few touchups. Then last year, I changed it to black and added two black vinyl tape stripes above it. I was redoing my PoliGlow, so removed most of that 1st. Then I simply sanded the flag blue boot stripe to provide tooth, 150, then 220, wiped with 202 I think, then painted a coat of brightside, lightly sanded with 320 and painted second coat. Why use tape? No wait for drying. Needs very small weather window. No need for second coat. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ From: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 3:48:14 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List boot stripe FWIW, Brightside works fine for me for bootstripe. I can easily touch up any scars in the bootstripe each spring and PoliGlow does an amazing job of making the touchups blend and it all looks brand new. I don't see the value in the two part paints as they need measuring and mixing and if you add a flattener, it's a two part flattener, making it a four part paint. I remember reading somewhere that Interlux recommends using their single part paints for high traffic areas or places that might get scraped, anywhere you expect to be touching up now and then. It's so easy to just open a can of brightside and pour a thimble full in a plastic cup and dab on a bit of paint and throw away the brush and cup. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:25:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List boot stripe David, The data sheet says not to apply over other paint. Did you ignore that (as I would)? Other than mixing it, is there any difference in the application process? Joel On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:01 PM, David Drake d...@rogers.com wrote: I used to use Brightsides and redid the boots stripe yearly . Changed 3 years ago when I painted the boat and did the boots stripe in 2 part Interlux Perfection . I haven't had to redo the stripe since .I would strongly suggest switching to a 2 part paint ,in the end the added work to apply is more than offset by its durability DDrake 73 JH CC 26 On Feb 3, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: Monty, Thanks! If only the weather cooperates! Joel On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Monty Schumpert jmschump...@verizon.net wrote: Joel, I used Interlux Brightside for the blue boot stripes on my 34+. I have done them 3 times, 2 coats each time, and still have some left from a quart can, so a quart of each color should be plenty. Monty Scandia 1991 CC 34+ Annapolis, MD Sent from my iPad On Feb 2, 2014, at 4:42 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: All, I'm hoping it will warm up enough for me to repaint the red boot stripe and raise the blue boot stripe on my 35/3. How much paint do i need to do 2-3 coats of each color? Joel -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is
Stus-List Boot Stripe / Redline 41
RE: Boot stripe painting - get back to work on the Redline Some one asked about the right making tape for stripes. The product you want is 3M Fineline. It is a plastic masking tape that is made just for that purpose. You can get it at any auto body supply store. It is pricy, so only use it where you need a clean line. Redline 41 # 1 is getting almost boat like. There are pictures of its progress on the CC Yachts Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.474383279351318.1073741831.421508437972136type=1 I think you can see the gallery without having a FB accnt. If not, let me know and I'll get 'em posted where you can see them. Both the 30 and the Redline will be nearing completion at the open house. It is March 8, and there will be plenty of interesting stuff for the members of this list: Meet the guy who probably designed your boat, meet the guy who's designing your next boat, heckle Andy... fun for the whole family. -- Will Harris Waterline Systems 716-531-6088 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boot Stripe / Redline 41
Pics are indeed visible, thanks! Foam core? And how the heck does infusion get the resin through the core? The vacuum is enough to ensure it penetrates? Anyway, looks like a sweet ride. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2014-02-04 10:40 PM, Will Harris wrote: RE: Boot stripe painting - get back to work on the Redline Some one asked about the right making tape for stripes. The product you want is 3M Fineline. It is a plastic masking tape that is made just for that purpose. You can get it at any auto body supply store. It is pricy, so only use it where you need a clean line. Redline 41 # 1 is getting almost boat like. There are pictures of its progress on the CC Yachts Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.474383279351318.1073741831.421508437972136type=1 I think you can see the gallery without having a FB accnt. If not, let me know and I'll get 'em posted where you can see them. Both the 30 and the Redline will be nearing completion at the open house. It is March 8, and there will be plenty of interesting stuff for the members of this list: Meet the guy who probably designed your boat, meet the guy who's designing your next boat, heckle Andy... fun for the whole family. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Hand Holds
I am in the same boat (pun intended). We have one broken in the aft cabin on our 30mkII. Let me know if you find one Robert or an alternative solution i.e. epoxy. Best, Kevin Kevin Driscoll Portland, Oregon 503 // 875 // 3493 On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Robert Gallagher trys...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I need to replace one of the interior plastic(?) hand holds that CC used as corner molding on their late 80's to 90's boats like the 30 MKII, 34+, etc. Hard to explain but if you have one of these boats you will know what I mean. There is one located on the port side of the shelf that in part of the companion way interior steps. Here is a link to a photo of the broken hand hold. A higher quality material would be ideal. http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/Trysail1/media/IMG_0100_zps4bfbf267.jpg.html Thanks, Rob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
