Re: Stus-List helm seat

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

nice job Joel...I went the other way and made a removable helmsman stand on
the sole behind the wheel (used jatoba and raised the sole by 4.5
inches...it also covers the exposed rudder stock...the 35MKII does not have
the camel bump seat as some other designs do but with a cushion it is
possible to sit comfortably on the aft cockpit coaming and steer the boat,
especially when steaming...while under sail I prefer sitting to leeward
where I can see my leeward jib ticklers and get protection from the
elements...the 36 inch wheel makes steering while seated on the leeward
cockpit coaming easy on my 35MKII...proper positioning of a horseshoe life
ring and life sling on the pushpit; one each side, double as cushions for
my back

Dwight Veinot
CC 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 I've been building a new helm seat to replace the standard CC seat that
 is too high for my wife and generally uncomfortable.  Nothing
 revolutionary, not perfect, but it should be an improvement.  It is
 narrower than the original so there is more room behind the wheel.
 Bought the teak on Ebay.  Bronze screws, wood glue and epoxy, Cetol
 natural.  I'll probably make a cushion out of closed cell foam and
 sunbrella.

 Photo is here:
 www.facebook/theoffice35.

 Joel
 35/3
 Annapolis



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Re: Stus-List Using 12v trickle charger to test components?

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

No, don't even try it. 
Battery chargers do not need to supply smooth DC in order to do their job and 
very few do, especially trickle chargers. 
The only safe way to use a battery charger to power 12 volt electronics is with 
a battery hooked up to the charger. 
The battery smoothes out the ripple. 

Steve Thomas
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
  To: Burt Stratton via CnC-List 
  Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 10:01 PM
  Subject: Stus-List Using 12v trickle charger to test components?


  Can I do this? I would like to check a few things and this is easier off the 
boat. It's a small trickle charger. Can I clamp on the alligator clips and test 
away?


  Thanks





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Re: Stus-List Using 12v trickle charger to test components?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

As others have stated, it depends on the power requirements of the
component but I wouldn't do it.  The trickle charger has to put out more
than 12v to charge the batteries so you run the risk of too much voltage
and not enough current.  As an alternative...Years ago I would charge
batteries for RC cars from a 12v auto battery.  To keep the auto battery
charged I would attach a 10amp battery charger that plugged into the wall.
This arrangement is quite similar the way backup power supplies work as
well as the way most of our shore power charger/battery/12v circuits work
on the boat.  Lawn and garden (U1) batteries are cheap ($30) and perfect
for a project like this.  Or maybe you already have an old 12v sitting
around.  Even a motorcycle battery would be big enough for just about
everything except an inverter, a radar, or a anchor windlass.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 CC 37+
Solomons, MD
On Nov 23, 2014 10:17 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:

 It might?  Depends on what you are testing;  a Navigation instrument might
 need an amp, or a light will need a little more, or a pump may need 5amps,
 or a windless may need 20amps.  Trickle chargers are usually rated for
 2amps.  Not sure of consequences if it doesn't work.  Best to protect the
 charger w an inline fuse and the device w an inline fuse of the right
 size.

 There are several devices that come with 120AC to 12VDC transformers.  My
 Garmin GPS and a West Marine VHF came w one.  I have several from kid's
 toys, too.

 You can also plug the device into the 12V socket in your car.

 Let us know how that goes?

 Chuck
 Resolute
 1990 CC 34R
 Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

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 *Subject: *Stus-List Using 12v trickle charger to test components?

 Can I do this? I would like to check a few things and this is easier off
 the boat. It's a small trickle charger. Can I clamp on the alligator clips
 and test away?

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Re: Stus-List FW Head

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Nope not experienced with that but I love my vacu-flush.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 CC 37+
Solomons, MD
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 Winter project is to add a freshwater head.  Anyone have experience with
 the Sealand Masterflush series?

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Re: Stus-List Using 12v trickle charger to test components?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Danger Will Robinson:
Some battery chargers are designed to be stand-alone power supplies. Most are 
not. If your charger does not specifically say it can be used this way, do not 
try it. Absent a battery you may have poor regulation and very high noise.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
CC 35 MK I


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 7:10 AM
To: Chuck S; CC List
Subject: Re: Stus-List Using 12v trickle charger to test components?


As others have stated, it depends on the power requirements of the component 
but I wouldn't do it.  The trickle charger has to put out more than 12v to 
charge the batteries so you run the risk of too much voltage and not enough 
current.  As an alternative...Years ago I would charge batteries for RC cars 
from a 12v auto battery.  To keep the auto battery charged I would attach a 
10amp battery charger that plugged into the wall.  This arrangement is quite 
similar the way backup power supplies work as well as the way most of our shore 
power charger/battery/12v circuits work on the boat.  Lawn and garden (U1) 
batteries are cheap ($30) and perfect for a project like this.  Or maybe you 
already have an old 12v sitting around.  Even a motorcycle battery would be big 
enough for just about everything except an inverter, a radar, or a anchor 
windlass.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 CC 37+
Solomons, MD
On Nov 23, 2014 10:17 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
It might?  Depends on what you are testing;  a Navigation instrument might need 
an amp, or a light will need a little more, or a pump may need 5amps, or a 
windless may need 20amps.  Trickle chargers are usually rated for 2amps.  Not 
sure of consequences if it doesn't work.  Best to protect the charger w an 
inline fuse and the device w an inline fuse of the right size.

There are several devices that come with 120AC to 12VDC transformers.  My 
Garmin GPS and a West Marine VHF came w one.  I have several from kid's toys, 
too.

You can also plug the device into the 12V socket in your car.

Let us know how that goes?

Chuck
Resolute
1990 CC 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


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Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 10:01:48 PM
Subject: Stus-List Using 12v trickle charger to test components?

Can I do this? I would like to check a few things and this is easier off the 
boat. It's a small trickle charger. Can I clamp on the alligator clips and test 
away?

Thanks


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Stus-List keel bolts

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Bill:

I would tend to agree with Jim Watts.have someone knowledgeable 
inspect your boat.  It is not normal to have cracks in the sump that are 
leaking water.


I would not simply cover up the cracks without knowing how significant 
they are.


Did your boat experience a 'hard grounding'?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
CC 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2014/11/23 12:57 AM, Jim Watts via CnC-List wrote:
Sounds like a pro job to me. I would talk to Blackline and get their 
opinion.


Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
CC 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 22 November 2014 at 12:02, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:


I blasted out to Victoria to escape the frigid Alberta cold for a
week or so. So I thought a little biking and messing around in the
bilge would be fun. The water in the bilge was a bit salty and the
mild steel plates below the keel bolts were badly corroded so I
replaced some of the plates with some 3/8 316SS. I cleaned out
the bilge and watched. When I removed the bolts, one at a time :-)
there was no seepage around the bolts - a good sign I think.
However there are some cracks in the sump area between the keel
bolts and these are seeping water at about 100ml/day. I didn't go
out for a sail so assume there would be more water ingress when
the keel is under some stress. Is there some way to seal these
cracks without dropping the keel? What is the thickness from the
bottom of the bilge to the top of the keel stub? Can I just pour
some epoxy in the the sump area?

Thanks!!

/Bill Hoyne/
Mithrandir
'74 CC35 MkII
in Victoria,BC



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Re: Stus-List keel bolts

[Michael Crombie via CnC-List]

I have to agree. I had a small leak in my bilge two summers ago that strangely 
enough didn't go away by itself and got worse this past summer. The PO had told 
me about a hard grounding. 

I got it surveyed this fall after haul-out by a surveyor with lots of CC 
experience. Turns out I have hidden grounding damage.  I re-launched on Friday 
and sailed over to Bristol Marine in Port Credit on Sunday. Will be $$.

At least I had a great sail yesterday...I had all Lake Ontario to myself.

Mike 
Atacama CnC 33 
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Re: Stus-List keel bolts

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Yes - having cracks through the bottom of the boat is not a trivial thing to 
fix. A friends boat had an issue like this that was repaired in a quickie 
put-epoxy-on-it manner and it opened up while he was out. That trip was not fun 
:(
His crack was above the keel, so we could get at it with the keel on. We ground 
it out and added layers of glass and epoxy outside and then did the same on the 
inside. I can't say it is perfect, but it is about 500 times stronger than the 
last repair. Also you might want to make SURE that is where the water coming 
from. I would shop vac and towel dry the bilge and watch it very carefully. The 
35 MK I and II keel structure is pretty strong and I would say cracks through 
the boat aren't common.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
CC 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert 
Abbott via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:00 AM
To: Jim Watts; cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Bill Hoyne
Subject: Stus-List keel bolts

Bill:

I would tend to agree with Jim Watts.have someone knowledgeable inspect 
your boat.  It is not normal to have cracks in the sump that are leaking water.

I would not simply cover up the cracks without knowing how significant they are.

Did your boat experience a 'hard grounding'?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
CC 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2014/11/23 12:57 AM, Jim Watts via CnC-List wrote:
Sounds like a pro job to me. I would talk to Blackline and get their opinion.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
CC 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 22 November 2014 at 12:02, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
I blasted out to Victoria to escape the frigid Alberta cold for a week or so. 
So I thought a little biking and messing around in the bilge would be fun. The 
water in the bilge was a bit salty and the mild steel plates below the keel 
bolts were badly corroded so I replaced some of the plates with some 3/8 
316SS. I cleaned out the bilge and watched. When I removed the bolts, one at a 
time :-) there was no seepage around the bolts - a good sign I think. However 
there are some cracks in the sump area between the keel bolts and these are 
seeping water at about 100ml/day. I didn't go out for a sail so assume there 
would be more water ingress when the keel is under some stress. Is there some 
way to seal these cracks without dropping the keel? What is the thickness from 
the bottom of the bilge to the top of the keel stub? Can I just pour some epoxy 
in the the sump area?

Thanks!!

Bill Hoyne
Mithrandir
'74 CC35 MkII
in Victoria,BC


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Re: Stus-List Using 12v trickle charger to test components?

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

For testing i usually use a "power in a bucket" i.e. a portable 12 v battery/booster with a 12 V socket. Mine is from Canadian Tire, but that does not matter. As a bonus you can use it to start the engine, in an emergency. I have built an accessory plug with alligator clips on the pigtails that can be attached to anything. Works well on and off the boat.

Marek
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Re: Stus-List keel bolts

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Glad your trip was yesterday.

Forecast today is for 70 km/hr winds with gusts to 100 along the shore.
Docking would have been interesting to say the least.

Michael Brown
Windburn
CC 30-1


Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:12:03 + 
From: mcrom...@bell.blackberry.net 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List keel bolts 
Message-ID: 
     
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I have to agree. I had a small leak in my bilge two summers ago that strangely 
enough didn't go away by itself and got worse this past summer. The PO had told 
me about a hard grounding.  
 
I got it surveyed this fall after haul-out by a surveyor with lots of CC 
experience. Turns out I have hidden grounding damage.  I re-launched on Friday 
and sailed over to Bristol Marine in Port Credit on Sunday. Will be $$. 
 
At least I had a great sail yesterday...I had all Lake Ontario to myself. 
 
Mike  
Atacama CnC 33  
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Stus-List Shore power protection - ELCI's - who has installed one? Survey issue?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

An ELCI is an electric leakage current interrupter.  Any lister installed
one?  Essentially, they are the equivalent of a GFCI for receptacles but
protect the whole boat.  An ELCI is installed on the shore power feed to
the boat.  It can take the place of the main AC breaker.

https://www.bluesea.com/products/category/ELCI_and_GFCI

Whereas your AC receptacles may be protected by a GFCI, your other AC
users, hot water heater, air conditioner, hard wired battery charger, etc.
are not unless you've installed an ELCI.

I think they may be ABYC required for new boats.  Any lister heard a
surveyor mention one during a survey?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Using 12v trickle charger to test components?

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

I also use mine to power the blender on Margarita Weekend!

-Original Message-
From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: ‎2014-‎11-‎24 11:53 AM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Using 12v trickle charger to test components?

For testing i usually use a power in a bucket i.e. a portable 12 v 
battery/booster with a 12 V socket. Mine is from Canadian Tire, but that does 
not matter. As a bonus you can use it to start the engine, in an emergency. I 
have built an accessory plug with alligator clips on the pigtails that can be 
attached to anything. Works well on and off the boat.

Marek


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Re: Stus-List Shore power protection - ELCI's - who has installed one? Survey issue?

[ed vanderkruk via CnC-List]

I installed the ELCI breaker panel PN8102. Having such a breaker does not
remove the GFCI requirement at other outlets. These ABYC regulations apply
to new boat construction but are worthwhile upgrades.

Ed
On Nov 24, 2014 1:36 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:

 An ELCI is an electric leakage current interrupter.  Any lister installed
 one?  Essentially, they are the equivalent of a GFCI for receptacles but
 protect the whole boat.  An ELCI is installed on the shore power feed to
 the boat.  It can take the place of the main AC breaker.

 https://www.bluesea.com/products/category/ELCI_and_GFCI

 Whereas your AC receptacles may be protected by a GFCI, your other AC
 users, hot water heater, air conditioner, hard wired battery charger, etc.
 are not unless you've installed an ELCI.

 I think they may be ABYC required for new boats.  Any lister heard a
 surveyor mention one during a survey?

 Dennis C.
 Touche' 35-1 #83
 Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Shore power protection - ELCI's - who has installed one? Survey issue?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

I also have the ECLI breaker, but have not installed it yet - I started a total 
rewire of the Enterprise’s AC circuits and expect to be finished by the Spring. 
The first outlet in the series will be GFCI. 

I’ve run all the wires, installed new outlets and just need to install the 
panel with the inverter/shore power switch. The torn skin on my knuckles and 
the bruises have all healed. so I can’t wait to get going again. Launch in 5 
months!

Want to see the finished product? Come to the 2015 Northeast CC Rendezvous :-)



All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/
 On Nov 24, 2014, at 2:12 PM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 I installed the ELCI breaker panel PN8102. Having such a breaker does not 
 remove the GFCI requirement at other outlets. These ABYC regulations apply to 
 new boat construction but are worthwhile upgrades.
 
 Ed
 
 On Nov 24, 2014 1:36 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 An ELCI is an electric leakage current interrupter.  Any lister installed 
 one?  Essentially, they are the equivalent of a GFCI for receptacles but 
 protect the whole boat.  An ELCI is installed on the shore power feed to the 
 boat.  It can take the place of the main AC breaker.
 
 https://www.bluesea.com/products/category/ELCI_and_GFCI 
 https://www.bluesea.com/products/category/ELCI_and_GFCI
 
 Whereas your AC receptacles may be protected by a GFCI, your other AC users, 
 hot water heater, air conditioner, hard wired battery charger, etc. are not 
 unless you've installed an ELCI.
 
 I think they may be ABYC required for new boats.  Any lister heard a surveyor 
 mention one during a survey?
 
 Dennis C.
 Touche' 35-1 #83
 Mandeville, LA
 
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Stus-List New CnC Owner Introduction...

[David via CnC-List]

CnC Group meet David McDonough...David meet the best damned owners group out 
there...



David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


From: dmcdono...@jhu.edu
To: davidrisc...@msn.com
Subject: RE: CnC Rendezvous Site
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:10:03 +









David,
 
Thank you.
 
I look forward to the info for next year’s summer rendezvous.

 
David

 
David McDonough
Cell (410) 491-3746
dmcdono...@jhu.edu

Trinity
1984 CC 37
 


From: David [mailto:davidrisc...@msn.com]


Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:50 AM

To: David McDonough

Subject: CnC Rendezvous Site


 


David,



That site is being replaced.   We have a great e-mail group of which I can send 
you the e-mail link.



You can then introduce yourself and ask any type of questions or help others.



Welcome!!



David F. Risch

1981 40-2

(401) 419-4650 (cell)


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Re: Stus-List New CnC Owner Introduction...

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

David,

Welcome!  Where are you on the Bay?
BTW, the admiral is at Hopkins Bayview.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

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 CnC Group meet David McDonough...David meet the best damned owners group
 out there...



 David F. Risch
 1981 40-2
 (401) 419-4650 (cell)


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 To: davidrisc...@msn.com
 Subject: RE: CnC Rendezvous Site
 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:10:03 +

  David,



 Thank you.



 I look forward to the info for next year’s summer rendezvous.



 David



 David McDonough

 Cell (410) 491-3746

 dmcdono...@jhu.edu

 Trinity

 1984 CC 37



 *From:* David [mailto:davidrisc...@msn.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 11:50 AM
 *To:* David McDonough
 *Subject:* CnC Rendezvous Site



 David,

 That site is being replaced.   We have a great e-mail group of which I can
 send you the e-mail link.

 You can then introduce yourself and ask any type of questions or help
 others.

 Welcome!!

 David F. Risch
 1981 40-2
 (401) 419-4650 (cell)

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Re: Stus-List Shore power protection - ELCI's - who has installed one? Survey issue?

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

I don’t think anyone on the list has a new boat…   :^)

Yes, they are ABYC-required on new construction; I’ve heard of very few people 
who have retrofitted them on an older vessel.  And I haven’t heard of a survey 
requiring a retrofit; more of a suggestion, maybe.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Nov 24, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
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 I think they may be ABYC required for new boats.  Any lister heard a surveyor 
 mention one during a survey?

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Re: Stus-List New CnC Owner Introduction...

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

David - 

I also have a 37 and happy to help out if you have any questions.

 

Pete

 

 

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CnC-List
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 1:38 PM
To: David McDonough; CNC CNC
Subject: Stus-List New CnC Owner Introduction...

 

CnC Group meet David McDonough...David meet the best damned owners group out
there...



David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



  _  

From: dmcdono...@jhu.edu
To: davidrisc...@msn.com
Subject: RE: CnC Rendezvous Site
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:10:03 +

David,

 

Thank you.

 

I look forward to the info for next year's summer rendezvous. 

 

David 

 

David McDonough

Cell (410) 491-3746

dmcdono...@jhu.edu 

Trinity

1984 CC 37

 

From: David [mailto:davidrisc...@msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:50 AM
To: David McDonough
Subject: CnC Rendezvous Site

 

David,

That site is being replaced.   We have a great e-mail group of which I can
send you the e-mail link.

You can then introduce yourself and ask any type of questions or help
others.

Welcome!!

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)

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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 106, Issue 66

[Bob Bingham via CnC-List]

 the keel is
 under some stress. Is there some way to seal these cracks without dropping
 the keel? What is the thickness from the bottom of the bilge to the top of
 the keel stub? Can I just pour some epoxy in the the sump area?

 Thanks!!

 Bill Hoyne
 Mithrandir
 '74 CC35 MkII
 in Victoria,BC


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Re: Stus-List New CnC Owner Introduction...

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Same as Pete, I have a 37’ too. If you want to know what NOT to do, feel free 
to ask.  

Cheers
Dave Godwin
1982 CC 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
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 On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:09 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 David – 
 I also have a 37 and happy to help out if you have any questions.
  
 Pete
  
  
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via 
 CnC-List
 Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 1:38 PM
 To: David McDonough; CNC CNC
 Subject: Stus-List New CnC Owner Introduction...
  
 CnC Group meet David McDonough...David meet the best damned owners group out 
 there...
 
 
 
 David F. Risch
 1981 40-2
 (401) 419-4650 (cell)
 
 
 From: dmcdono...@jhu.edu mailto:dmcdono...@jhu.edu
 To: davidrisc...@msn.com mailto:davidrisc...@msn.com
 Subject: RE: CnC Rendezvous Site
 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:10:03 +
 
 David,
  
 Thank you.
  
 I look forward to the info for next year’s summer rendezvous. 
  
 David 
  
 David McDonough
 Cell (410) 491-3746
 dmcdono...@jhu.edu mailto:dmcdono...@jhu.edu
 Trinity
 1984 CC 37
  
 From: David [mailto:davidrisc...@msn.com mailto:davidrisc...@msn.com] 
 Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:50 AM
 To: David McDonough
 Subject: CnC Rendezvous Site
  
 David,
 
 That site is being replaced.   We have a great e-mail group of which I can 
 send you the e-mail link.
 
 You can then introduce yourself and ask any type of questions or help others.
 
 Welcome!!
 
 David F. Risch
 1981 40-2
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Stus-List LCDI VS ELCI

[Douglas via CnC-List]

I installed a galvanic isolator, which does a couple of things I like.
It allows the earth ground in a 3 wire system to remain in contact, but if I
get a short to ground it will open.
The threshold is low, so it will prevent any trickle voltage, the primary
evil in galvanic corrosion, when utilizing shore power.

A GFCI is designed to protect the user of a piece of equipment that has
metal casing.
As the internal winding and insulation break down over time, and they do,
the possibility of shorting to the case increases.
Decades ago they were referred to as case grounds.
The GFCI will sense this and open.
They have specific devices for appliances.

There are several solutions to protecting the boat, surround water and
living creatures from short and arc.
There is 
GFPE, LCDI, EGFPD, ALCI, GFCI, AFCI, IDCI
Look at this site and down load the PDF.
http://www.ul.com/global/documents/corporate/aboutul/publications/newsletter
s/electricalconnections/january09.pdf

I am the process of chasing wires on my new to me boat.
I have rewired 4 houses I have purchased, over the past 15 years, because so
many backyard electricians give it a try.
I have seen every method of incorrect wire connection possible. Even putting
a light switch in the shower, really, in the shower, behind the shower
curtain.

I have found a couple of mistakes on my boat so far. Someone taped the shore
ground wires to the fuel supply line, this cannot be a good thing to do.
Couple of outlets wired with the polarities reversed.
So I am going to check it all out, bow to stern.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  keel bolts (Michael Brown)
   2.  Shore power protection - ELCI's - who has installed one?
  Survey issue? (Dennis C.)
   3. Re:  Using 12v trickle charger to test components? (John Irvin)
   4. Re:  Shore power protection - ELCI's - who has installed one?
  Survey issue? (ed vanderkruk)
   5. Re:  Shore power protection - ELCI's - who has installed  one?
  Survey issue? (Edd Schillay)
   6.  New CnC Owner Introduction... (David)
   7. Re:  New CnC Owner Introduction... (Joel Aronson)
   8. Re:  Shore power protection - ELCI's - who has installed  one?
  Survey issue? (Frederick G Street)
   9. Re:  New CnC Owner Introduction... (Pete Shelquist)
  10. Re:  CnC-List Digest, Vol 106, Issue 66 (Bob Bingham)
  11. Re:  New CnC Owner Introduction... (Dave Godwin)


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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 12:12:14 -0500
From: Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List keel bolts
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Glad your trip was yesterday.

Forecast today is for 70 km/hr winds with gusts to 100 along the shore.
Docking would have been interesting to say the least.

Michael Brown
Windburn
CC 30-1


Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:12:03 +
From: mcrom...@bell.blackberry.net
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List keel bolts
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I have to agree. I had a small leak in my bilge two summers ago that
strangely enough didn't go away by itself and got worse this past summer.
The PO had told me about a hard grounding.  
 
I got it surveyed this fall after haul-out by a surveyor with lots of CC
experience. Turns out I have hidden grounding damage. ?I re-launched on
Friday and sailed over to Bristol Marine in Port Credit on Sunday. Will be
$$. 
 
At least I had a great sail yesterday...I had all Lake Ontario to myself. 
 
Mike
Atacama CnC 33
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Subject: Stus-List Shore power protection - ELCI's - who has installed
one?Survey issue?
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Re: Stus-List LCDI VS ELCI

[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

Ha!  There's a marina down in Mexico here with 120V AC plugs 
(unprotected) in all the showers.  Go figure.  VBG  The showers are 
big enough for two, but really I think any toy you want to use in the 
shower should be battery operated.


Wal

(P.S. That's the same marina that blew up my battery charger by rewiring 
a dock box -- destroyed by electrical fire -- while the entire AC leg on 
the dock was live.)



you wrote:

snip I have seen every method of incorrect wire connection possible. Even 
putting
a light switch in the shower, really, in the shower, behind the shower
curtain.



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Re: Stus-List LCDI VS ELCI

[Steve Staten via CnC-List]

I was in Paraguay last April and the shower head in an old hotel in Conception 
had an electrical heating element in it. The electrical wires going to it 
exited the same hole in the wall that the water pipe came from. It was scary 
looking. I took a picture of it.

Steve Staten
CC 26, C'est La Vie
Langley, OKlahoma

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via CnC-List
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Ha!  There's a marina down in Mexico here with 120V AC plugs
(unprotected) in all the showers.  Go figure.  VBG  The showers are big 
enough for two, but really I think any toy you want to use in the shower should 
be battery operated.

Wal

(P.S. That's the same marina that blew up my battery charger by rewiring a dock 
box -- destroyed by electrical fire -- while the entire AC leg on the dock was 
live.)


you wrote:
 snip I have seen every method of incorrect wire connection possible. 
 Even putting a light switch in the shower, really, in the shower, 
 behind the shower curtain.


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Re: Stus-List LCDI VS ELCI

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Oh yeah.

My wife and I do volunteer medical mission work up in the mountains of the DR 
and we stay in the homes  of the community. Many, but not all, of them have 
those shower heads as described. Standing in water with the possibility of some 
120VAC current adding a bit to the experience gives one pause. But given that 
they only work when the electrical service is online, which is about 25% of the 
time, it’s mostly a nice cold shower…

Cheers,
Dave Godwin
1982 CC 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/
 On Nov 24, 2014, at 7:04 PM, Steve Staten via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 I was in Paraguay last April and the shower head in an old hotel in 
 Conception had an electrical heating element in it. The electrical wires 
 going to it exited the same hole in the wall that the water pipe came from. 
 It was scary looking. I took a picture of it.
 
 Steve Staten
 CC 26, C'est La Vie
 Langley, OKlahoma
 
 -Original Message-
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally 
 Bryant via CnC-List
 Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 5:42 PM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List LCDI VS ELCI
 
 Ha!  There's a marina down in Mexico here with 120V AC plugs
 (unprotected) in all the showers.  Go figure.  VBG  The showers are big 
 enough for two, but really I think any toy you want to use in the shower 
 should be battery operated.
 
 Wal
 
 (P.S. That's the same marina that blew up my battery charger by rewiring a 
 dock box -- destroyed by electrical fire -- while the entire AC leg on the 
 dock was live.)
 
 
 you wrote:
 snip I have seen every method of incorrect wire connection possible. 
 Even putting a light switch in the shower, really, in the shower, 
 behind the shower curtain.
 
 
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Re: Stus-List LCDI VS ELCI

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

My daughter was spending a semester in the Galapagos, and lived with a local 
family.  They had one of these in the shower, and the first time she used it, 
she nearly got electrocuted!

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Nov 24, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Steve Staten via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
wrote:

 I was in Paraguay last April and the shower head in an old hotel in 
 Conception had an electrical heating element in it. The electrical wires 
 going to it exited the same hole in the wall that the water pipe came from. 
 It was scary looking. I took a picture of it.
 
 Steve Staten
 CC 26, C'est La Vie
 Langley, OKlahoma

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Re: Stus-List Winter worries

[Russ Melody via CnC-List]

That's not really practical for me. I often work alone on the boat. :)

Cheers, Russ

At 09:35 AM 20/11/2014, you wrote:

Fear of fires has been the reason I don't leave ANY electric space 
heaters on while not on the boat.  I use a ceramic heater while 
working on it through the winter but only under supervision.


Josh
On Nov 20, 2014 12:08 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.comcnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
Speaking of heaters, what types do you use?  We have been using an 
oil radiator for years because I thought they would be safer.  But I 
heard on caught fire on a boat last year and am a little less 
confident about that now.


Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 CC 37+/40
Vashon WA
P tel:206.463.9200206.463.9200



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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 106, Issue 66

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

 in the bilge was a bit salty and the mild steel plates below
 the keel bolts were badly corroded so I replaced some of the plates with
 some 3/8 316SS. I cleaned out the bilge and watched. When I removed the
 bolts, one at a time :-) there was no seepage around the bolts - a good
 sign I think. However there are some cracks in the sump area between the
 keel bolts and these are seeping water at about 100ml/day. I didn't go out
 for a sail so assume there would be more water ingress when the keel is
 under some stress. Is there some way to seal these cracks without dropping
 the keel? What is the thickness from the bottom of the bilge to the top of
 the keel stub? Can I just pour some epoxy in the the sump area?

 Thanks!!

 Bill Hoyne
 Mithrandir
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