Re: Stus-List Furl 1st or Reef 1st ?

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

my experience reefing is better...helps more to keep the boat upright...in
18-22 apparent upwind on y 35 MKII she's faster with the 135 not furled and
first reef in the main

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
>Here's another one on heavier winds:   Reef 1st or Furl 1st?
>
>Up 'till a few weeks back, when the boat gets over-powered I typically
>furl long before I reef because it's so much easier + it's quick to un-furl
>when going on a reach. But then I watched the "in port" race with the Volvo
>'round the world thing where the ladies team reefed instead of going for
>the smaller gib and seemed to gain speed from that tactic.  When I tried
>reefing before it seemed to remove too much power ( In 18-22 breeze)  but I
>was not looking at the boat speed closely.
>
>Has anybody done some tests on reefing vs furling in terms of outright
>speed on a close haul for a given wind speed?
>
>-Francois Rivard
>1990 34+ "Take Five"
>Lake Lanier, GA
>
>
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Stus-List url 1st or Reef 1st ?

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Thanks a bunch guys, Interesting comments.

 I'll definitely have to experiment with that in the up-coming weeks as
 this is a good time of year for stronger winds.

 On my jib: It's a heavy Dacron Haarstick 135 ("CRUISER" printed on the
 bag) with a foam luff.  It appears to be designed to be furled and the
 boat points / handles well with it furled down to a 90 - 100 size.

 Thanks again.  I'm looking forward to try it out / will report back.

 Francois Rivard
 1990 34+ "Take Five"
 Lake Lanier, Georgia
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Re: Stus-List Furl 1st or Reef 1st ?

[D.J. Platt via CnC-List]

Which ever reduces weather helm the most.  As reefing the main moves the center 
of effort forward, it usually balances most masthead boats better by reducing 
weather helm.


From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 7:47 AM
To: Jean-Francois J Rivard ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Furl 1st or Reef 1st ?


my experience reefing is better...helps more to keep the boat upright...in 
18-22 apparent upwind on y 35 MKII she's faster with the 135 not furled and 
first reef in the main



Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

d.ve...@bellaliant.net




On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Here's another one on heavier winds:   Reef 1st or Furl 1st?  

Up 'till a few weeks back, when the boat gets over-powered I typically furl 
long before I reef because it's so much easier + it's quick to un-furl when 
going on a reach. But then I watched the "in port" race with the Volvo 'round 
the world thing where the ladies team reefed instead of going for the smaller 
gib and seemed to gain speed from that tactic.  When I tried reefing before it 
seemed to remove too much power ( In 18-22 breeze)  but I was not looking at 
the boat speed closely.   

Has anybody done some tests on reefing vs furling in terms of outright 
speed on a close haul for a given wind speed?  

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA   


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Re: Stus-List Furl 1st or Reef 1st ?

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

True. 

Our last sail at the end of October was with the genoa only, and the boat was 
remarkably well balanced and still had a bit of weather helm. If the boat is 
actually moving along then weather helm comes from hydrodynamic forces as well 
as the wind pressure on the sails. We all know this in theory, but I find it 
easy to forget sometimes. Out of sight, out of mind.  

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
on the hard, north shore Lake Erie
  - Original Message - 
  From: D.J. Platt via CnC-List 
  To: dwight veinot ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 9:39 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Furl 1st or Reef 1st ?


  Which ever reduces weather helm the most.  As reefing the main moves the 
center of effort forward, it usually balances most masthead boats better by 
reducing weather helm.


  From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
  Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 7:47 AM
  To: Jean-Francois J Rivard ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Furl 1st or Reef 1st ?


  my experience reefing is better...helps more to keep the boat upright...in 
18-22 apparent upwind on y 35 MKII she's faster with the 135 not furled and 
first reef in the main



  Dwight Veinot

  C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

  Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

  d.ve...@bellaliant.net




  On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Here's another one on heavier winds:   Reef 1st or Furl 1st?  

  Up 'till a few weeks back, when the boat gets over-powered I typically 
furl long before I reef because it's so much easier + it's quick to un-furl 
when going on a reach. But then I watched the "in port" race with the Volvo 
'round the world thing where the ladies team reefed instead of going for the 
smaller gib and seemed to gain speed from that tactic.  When I tried reefing 
before it seemed to remove too much power ( In 18-22 breeze)  but I was not 
looking at the boat speed closely.   

  Has anybody done some tests on reefing vs furling in terms of outright 
speed on a close haul for a given wind speed?  

  -Francois Rivard
  1990 34+ "Take Five"
  Lake Lanier, GA   


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Stus-List Klacko

[Ken Rodmell via CnC-List]

Klacko has done repairs for me on my spreaders and several years ago built
me a new holding tank. I¹ve found them to be great to deal with‹excellent
work, reasonable, and a good attitude.

BTW, the last time I was there, I was treated to a beautiful sight, they had
just painted ( deep yellow) a new mast they¹d made for an 8 metre and it was
drying in their shed.

Ken Rodmell
Lotus C&C 35 Mk II
Toronto


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Stus-List blooper explained

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Guys,

The pic in the link below just came to me from one of our crew. This 
is the best blooper shot I've seen (1983). It's hung from Amazing 
Grace, at 45' and built in the custom shop for Mr. Herron. RCYC. She 
sailed in three Admiral's Cup in England in the early '80s.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/91mtn3cozon0sg8/photo50.JPG?dl=0

I'm a little puzzle with the reaching strut near the forestay, above 
the pulpit. The spinnaker take-down line is also there, but what is 
the strut doin?


BTW, A G is currently for sail (but aren't they all :). P.M. if you 
want any details.


Cheers, Russ




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Re: Stus-List Klacko

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

That might have been the mast for Fantome, an R boat at the National Yacht Club.

http://www.fantomer18.com/

The mast was replaced in 2013 when the previous wood mast failed.
Does look good.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:16:16 -0500 
From: Ken Rodmell  
To:  
Subject: Stus-List Klacko 
Message-ID:  
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 
 
Klacko has done repairs for me on my spreaders and several years ago built 
me a new holding tank. I?ve found them to be great to deal with?excellent 
work, reasonable, and a good attitude. 
 
BTW, the last time I was there, I was treated to a beautiful sight, they had 
just painted ( deep yellow) a new mast they?d made for an 8 metre and it was 
drying in their shed. 
 
Ken Rodmell 
Lotus C&C 35 Mk II 
Toronto 
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Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves replacement

[Rod Randow via CnC-List]

Burt,

I beilieve I need to replace* a jib masthead halyard sheave on my 33-1
since one halyard raises the 135 easily by hand while the other halyard
requires a hard grinding via a winch to reach full hoist. My boat is on the
hard with the mast stepped. So if you are visiting your boat, I would like
to see photos of the jib sheaves and if possible the dimensions of the
sheaves (diameter, width, and pin diameter). Knowing the sheave size would
enable me to have a replacement(s) ready if and when I drop or climb the
mast.

* The problem sheave is the one I've used for the furler for many years and
the bronze/brass bushing is probably worn and no longer round.

Rod Randow
C&C 33-1

_

bstratton wrote

I have a '74 33 3/4tonner. I believe our rigs are very similar if not
identical. I just had my mast un-stepped in order to haul the boat to my
property for some winter projects. The mast is stored at my marina. If you
like I can take some close up pics for you. I should be heading down to the
yard this weekend.

I have no experience in replacing the masthead sheaves but you might be able
to get a good idea of what is involved if you decide to go that route. My
main can be difficult to raise also but I chalked that up to my lack of
experience and extra hands. I found that feeding it into the track is a huge
help but again, extra hands would be helpful. I also learned the hard way to
move my running backs out of the way.

Burt
1974 33 3/4 tonner
Not named yet
On the hard
Walpole, MA
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Stus-List whisker pole in Annapolis

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I purchased a used whisker pole from a guy in Annapolis area last week and we 
are discussing ways of getting it up here.  I thought I would post it here just 
in case.  If anyone is going through that area by car or boat and returning to 
the New England area in the next 4-5 months, and can transport the pole 
(10-17’), please let me know.  The seller will be in the area in June, but it 
would be nice to get it prior to that if possible.  Thanks- Dave

Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List blooper explained

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Russ,

Let me know if you find out what the "strut" near the forestay is.  I was part 
of many foredeck crews handling bloopers and "rip cord" spinnaker take down 
lines in the 70's and 80's but did not use anything that looks like that strut. 
 The line that appears to lead aft from the mystery strut gives a hint of a 
control line.

Maybe the crew was experimenting with an alternate blooper tack location.  IIRC 
the IOR rules of the day would not have allowed or would have heavily penalized 
having an articulated, poled out tack arraignment.  That might also explain why 
the blooper is being flown at that height.  IIRC bloopers were most effective 
with the foot as close to the water as possible leading to having a crew 
assigned to "trimming" the blooper halyard.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ & 
Melody via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 10:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List blooper explained

Hi Guys,

The pic in the link below just came to me from one of our crew. This is the 
best blooper shot I've seen (1983). It's hung from Amazing Grace, at 45' and 
built in the custom shop for Mr. Herron. RCYC. She sailed in three Admiral's 
Cup in England in the early '80s.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/91mtn3cozon0sg8/photo50.JPG?dl=0

I'm a little puzzle with the reaching strut near the forestay, above the 
pulpit. The spinnaker take-down line is also there, but what is the strut doin?

BTW, A G is currently for sail (but aren't they all :). P.M. if you want any 
details.

Cheers, Russ



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Re: Stus-List Klacko

[Greg Arnold via CnC-List]

  
  
Great photo.  Is the "reaching strut" a
  spreader?
  
  
  On 12/5/2014 11:03 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List wrote:


  That might have been the mast for Fantome, an R boat at the
National Yacht Club.

http://www.fantomer18.com/

The mast was replaced in 2013 when the previous wood mast
failed.
Does look good.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


Date: Fri,
  5 Dec 2014 11:16:16 -0500
  
  From: Ken Rodmell 
  
  To: 
  
  Subject: Stus-List Klacko
  
  Message-ID: 
  
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
  
  
  Klacko has done repairs for me on my spreaders and several
  years ago built
  
  me a new holding tank. I?ve found them to be great to deal
  with?excellent
  
  work, reasonable, and a good attitude.
  
  
  BTW, the last time I was there, I was treated to a beautiful
  sight, they had
  
  just painted ( deep yellow) a new mast they?d made for an 8
  metre and it was
  
  drying in their shed.
  
  
  Ken Rodmell
  
  Lotus C&C 35 Mk II
  
  Toronto
  

  
  
  
  
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Re: Stus-List Klacko

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Greg,

If your comment regarding a spreader looking like a athwart ships strut on 
Amazing Grace I think you hit the nail on the head but your post showed up in 
this Klacko topic.

Best regards,

Martin

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Greg Arnold 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:18 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Klacko

Great photo.  Is the "reaching strut" a spreader?


On 12/5/2014 11:03 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List wrote:
That might have been the mast for Fantome, an R boat at the National Yacht Club.

http://www.fantomer18.com/

The mast was replaced in 2013 when the previous wood mast failed.
Does look good.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1

Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:16:16 -0500
From: Ken Rodmell mailto:moo...@sympatico.ca>>
To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Klacko
Message-ID: 
mailto:blu436-smtp174fe6d34dad4145f1ba9b2b9...@phx.gbl>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Klacko has done repairs for me on my spreaders and several years ago built
me a new holding tank. I?ve found them to be great to deal with?excellent
work, reasonable, and a good attitude.

BTW, the last time I was there, I was treated to a beautiful sight, they had
just painted ( deep yellow) a new mast they?d made for an 8 metre and it was
drying in their shed.

Ken Rodmell
Lotus C&C 35 Mk II
Toronto




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Re: Stus-List blooper explained

[Greg Arnold via CnC-List]

  
  
The "reaching strut" is a spreader?
  
  
  On 12/5/2014 10:58 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote:


  Hi Guys,
  
  The pic in the link below just came to me from one of our crew.
  This is
  the best blooper shot I've seen (1983). It's hung from Amazing
Grace, at 45' and built in the custom shop for Mr. Herron.
  RCYC. She
  sailed in three Admiral's Cup in England in the early '80s.
  
  
https://www.dropbox.com/s/91mtn3cozon0sg8/photo50.JPG?dl=0
  
  I'm a little puzzle with the reaching strut near the forestay,
  above the
  pulpit. The spinnaker take-down line is also there, but what is
  the strut
  doin?
  
  BTW, A G is currently for sail (but aren't they all :).
  P.M. if
  you want any details. 
  
  Cheers,
  Russ
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves replacement

[davidrisch75 via CnC-List]

Ok.  So I may have had a brain cramp around this issue.  I never thought I 
needed to replace the sheeves after going all rope halyard as I thought the 
line would ride above the sheeves wire recess.  As my main is a pia to hoist 
maybe it is digging into the recess when hoisting the main and causing excess 
drag?

David F. Risch.

Please excuse brevity and possible typos...sent from my mobile device.

 Original message From: Rod Randow via CnC-List 
 Date:12/05/2014  2:08 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Masthead 
sheaves replacement 

Burt,

I beilieve I need to replace* a jib masthead halyard sheave on my 33-1
since one halyard raises the 135 easily by hand while the other halyard
requires a hard grinding via a winch to reach full hoist. My boat is on the
hard with the mast stepped. So if you are visiting your boat, I would like
to see photos of the jib sheaves and if possible the dimensions of the
sheaves (diameter, width, and pin diameter). Knowing the sheave size would
enable me to have a replacement(s) ready if and when I drop or climb the
mast.

* The problem sheave is the one I've used for the furler for many years and
the bronze/brass bushing is probably worn and no longer round.

Rod Randow
C&C 33-1

_

bstratton wrote

I have a '74 33 3/4tonner. I believe our rigs are very similar if not
identical. I just had my mast un-stepped in order to haul the boat to my
property for some winter projects. The mast is stored at my marina. If you
like I can take some close up pics for you. I should be heading down to the
yard this weekend.

I have no experience in replacing the masthead sheaves but you might be able
to get a good idea of what is involved if you decide to go that route. My
main can be difficult to raise also but I chalked that up to my lack of
experience and extra hands. I found that feeding it into the track is a huge
help but again, extra hands would be helpful. I also learned the hard way to
move my running backs out of the way.

Burt
1974 33 3/4 tonner
Not named yet
On the hard
Walpole, MA
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Re: Stus-List blooper explained

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Ah yes, got it. The "line" goes to the chainplate, not to the middle 
padeye at the rail.


Thanks Greg.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 11:24 AM 05/12/2014, you wrote:

The "reaching strut" is a spreader?


On 12/5/2014 10:58 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Guys,

The pic in the link below just came to me from one of our crew. 
This is the best blooper shot I've seen (1983). It's hung from 
Amazing Grace, at 45' and built in the custom shop for Mr. Herron. 
RCYC. She sailed in three Admiral's Cup in England in the early '80s.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/91mtn3cozon0sg8/photo50.JPG?dl=0

I'm a little puzzle with the reaching strut near the forestay, 
above the pulpit. The spinnaker take-down line is also there, but 
what is the strut doin?


BTW, A G is currently for sail (but aren't they all :). P.M. if you 
want any details.


Cheers, Russ







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Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves replacement

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

No problemo, Rod.

 

When I head down to the marina this weekend I will do my best to measure what I 
can (along with some good close up pics). I wanted to inspect my sheaves anyway.

 

Stay tuned….

 

Burt 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rod Randow 
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Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 2:08 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves replacement

 

Burt,


I beilieve I need to replace* a jib masthead halyard sheave on my 33-1 since 
one halyard raises the 135 easily by hand while the other halyard requires a 
hard grinding via a winch to reach full hoist. My boat is on the hard with the 
mast stepped. So if you are visiting your boat, I would like to see photos of 
the jib sheaves and if possible the dimensions of the sheaves (diameter, width, 
and pin diameter). Knowing the sheave size would enable me to have a 
replacement(s) ready if and when I drop or climb the mast.

* The problem sheave is the one I've used for the furler for many years and the 
bronze/brass bushing is probably worn and no longer round.

 

Rod Randow

C&C 33-1

 

_

bstratton wrote

I have a '74 33 3/4tonner. I believe our rigs are very similar if not
identical. I just had my mast un-stepped in order to haul the boat to my
property for some winter projects. The mast is stored at my marina. If you
like I can take some close up pics for you. I should be heading down to the
yard this weekend. 
 
I have no experience in replacing the masthead sheaves but you might be able
to get a good idea of what is involved if you decide to go that route. My
main can be difficult to raise also but I chalked that up to my lack of
experience and extra hands. I found that feeding it into the track is a huge
help but again, extra hands would be helpful. I also learned the hard way to
move my running backs out of the way.
 
Burt
1974 33 3/4 tonner
Not named yet
On the hard
Walpole, MA  

 

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Re: Stus-List blooper explained

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

One correctionAmazing Grace was a PCYC boat  Use to race against her 
there.

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On Dec 5, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Greg Arnold via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

The "reaching strut" is a spreader?


On 12/5/2014 10:58 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote:
Hi Guys,

The pic in the link below just came to me from one of our crew. This is the 
best blooper shot I've seen (1983). It's hung from Amazing Grace, at 45' and 
built in the custom shop for Mr. Herron. RCYC. She sailed in three Admiral's 
Cup in England in the early '80s.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/91mtn3cozon0sg8/photo50.JPG?dl=0

I'm a little puzzle with the reaching strut near the forestay, above the 
pulpit. The spinnaker take-down line is also there, but what is the strut doin?

BTW, A G is currently for sail (but aren't they all :). P.M. if you want any 
details.

Cheers, Russ







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Re: Stus-List blooper explained

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

At first I wondered what the horizontal bar athwart ship and above the pulpit 
was myself. And it looked like the spin pole was attached to the stem of the 
boat. WTF?

Then I expanded the photo for a closer look.

It's actually the port lower spreader. I think you can make out the shadow of 
the starboard lower spreader in the mainsail.

Rick Brass

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> On Dec 5, 2014, at 13:58, Russ & Melody via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> The pic in the link below just came to me from one of our crew. This is the 
> best blooper shot I've seen (1983). It's hung from Amazing Grace, at 45' and 
> built in the custom shop for Mr. Herron. RCYC. She sailed in three Admiral's 
> Cup in England in the early '80s.
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/91mtn3cozon0sg8/photo50.JPG?dl=0
> 
> I'm a little puzzle with the reaching strut near the forestay, above the 
> pulpit. The spinnaker take-down line is also there, but what is the strut 
> doin?
> 
> BTW, A G is currently for sail (but aren't they all :). P.M. if you want any 
> details. 
> 
> Cheers, Russ
> 
> 
> 
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Stus-List A4 Joy

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

After some recent starting issues I hired a local A4 owner/mechanic to
install an Indigo electronic ignition kit. The (warm) engine started right
up many times and the idle was fine-tuned for optimal operation.
A week later the engine wouldn't start. I was able to confirm spark at a
spark plug. A few texts later the mechanic suggested adjusting the idle -
which solved the problem.
So I guess the point of my story for fellow A-fourians is - don't give up
the ship. Sometimes it just takes a quarter turn on an idle screw and
you're back in business.
Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL
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Re: Stus-List whisker pole in Annapolis

[Dan via CnC-List]

Dave,  

Might I borrow your C&C graphic for my signature too?

Dan
1977 26’ C&C




Dan


On Friday, December 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:

> I purchased a used whisker pole from a guy in Annapolis area last week and we 
> are discussing ways of getting it up here.  I thought I would post it here 
> just in case.  If anyone is going through that area by car or boat and 
> returning to the New England area in the next 4-5 months, and can transport 
> the pole (10-17’), please let me know.  The seller will be in the area in 
> June, but it would be nice to get it prior to that if possible.  Thanks- Dave
>  
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
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