Re: Stus-List salt water siphoning into sink

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Not a problem on the 35 MKII either, another good upgrade choice.

Is there really a need for 2 sinks on a 33 foot boat...close the valve and
be done with the worry

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


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>
> Thanks Dennis!
>
> That is my thought too. I'm glad you presented it.
>
> Get the sink closer to centreline.
> Seems like a lot of "newer" design have that common flaw. I wonder why the
> C&C team didn't recognize it ... :)
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1
>
> BTW, it's not really siphoning into so much as flooding out of, the sink.
>
> At 06:51 PM 20/02/2015, you wrote:
>
> 1) Don't put your wallet in the sink!
> 2) "Upgrade" to a 35-1.  It doesn't do this.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 5:32 PM, mike amirault via CnC-List <
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>  On a  C&C 33 mkii, has anyone experienced salt (or lake) water filling
> up the sink in the head when heeled over hard on a stbd tack? Mine was
> filling up and overflowing unless the sink plug was in or the drain cock
> closed. I suppose the proper thing for a seaman to do would be to close the
> drain cock but this can be inconvenient when cruising. I installed a check
> valve and this worked but it is not of marine quality and is corroding. I
> don't think a vented loop will work on a gravity fed drain. Any other
> solutions?
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 109, Issue 45

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>   2. Re:  C&C 33 MKII > Barient 24ST (Nauset Beach)
>   3. Re:  C&C 33 MKII (Marek Dziedzic)
>   4.  Refilling 10 lb propane tank (mike amirault)
>   5. Re:  Refilling 10 lb propane tank (Josh Muckley)
>   6.  salt water siphoning into sink (mike amirault)
>   7. Re:  salt water siphoning into sink (Joel Aronson)
>   8. Re:  salt water siphoning into sink (Mike Brannon)
>   9. Re:  salt water siphoning into sink (Ken Heaton)
>  10. Re:  salt water siphoning into sink (Jack Fitzgerald)
>  11. Re:  salt water siphoning into sink (Bruno Lachance)
>  12. Re:  salt water siphoning into sink (Graham Collins)
>  13. Re:  Refilling 10 lb propane tank (Graham Collins)
>  14. Re:  salt water siphoning into sink (Dennis C.)
>  15. Re:  salt water siphoning into sink (Andrew Burton)
>  16. Re:  salt water siphoning into sink (Russ & Melody)
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Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Years ago I was told by a BJs guy that they weren't supposed to fill my
Blue Rino tank.  I promptly removed the plastic label and re-requested that
he fill my tank.  He reluctantly agreed.

Josh
On Feb 20, 2015 8:35 PM, "Graham Collins via CnC-List" <
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>  Sounds bogus, I'd ask for a manager.  But I don't have a costco
> membership, I get mine filled down the road at ultimate home comfort (by
> the self storage).  I'm sure it costs more.
>
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> Secret Plans
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> Hello all. I brought my 10lb aluminum tank to Costco Halifax today for a
> refill. The attendant did fill it but informed me that they are not
> supposed to fill them any more because aluminum tanks are considered
> "commercial" and are to be taxed accordingly which Costco is not set up to
> do at the pumps. This sounds like a lot of BS to me. Has anyone else run
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Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank

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Just because the guy filling your tank at Costco was a manager, it clearly 
doesn't make him knowledgeable.  He is confusing aluminum tanks for boats with 
aluminum tanks for propane-fueled forklifts.

Bob Boyer
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1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
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Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Mike,

 

I have an aluminum tank from my boat that doesn't have an OPD valve on it.
No way to get it filled unless I replace the valve with the newer "safe"
variety.  Never heard of problems with the tank material though.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

"Midnight Mistress"

C&C 35 Mk-III

Hampton VA

 

 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank

 

Hello all. I brought my 10lb aluminum tank to Costco Halifax today for a
refill. The attendant did fill it but informed me that they are not supposed
to fill them any more because aluminum tanks are considered "commercial" and
are to be taxed accordingly which Costco is not set up to do at the pumps.
This sounds like a lot of BS to me. Has anyone else run into this?

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Re: Stus-List salt water siphoning into sink

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Mike,

 

The overflowing sink is a perennial problem on my boat.  In any weather over
10 kts, I always close the seacock below the sink.  It's a simple and cheap
solution, but requires my memory to function correctly.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

"Midnight Mistress"

C&C 35 Mk-III

Hampton VA

 

 

 

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List salt water siphoning into sink

 

On a  C&C 33 mkii, has anyone experienced salt (or lake) water filling up
the sink in the head when heeled over hard on a stbd tack? Mine was filling
up and overflowing unless the sink plug was in or the drain cock closed. I
suppose the proper thing for a seaman to do would be to close the drain cock
but this can be inconvenient when cruising. I installed a check valve and
this worked but it is not of marine quality and is corroding. I don't think
a vented loop will work on a gravity fed drain. Any other solutions?

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Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII

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Was at Toronto Boat Show, just realized I did pick up a catalogue for Garhauer, 
nice stuff as I recall. will check them out further.
The plan in my little head right now is to 1) change out the halyards for all 
synthetic, 2) try to pull new wire from the top of the mast and rig new 
instruments, the old don't work anyways so I'm not losing anything even if I'm 
unsuccessful, 3) check bushings/trade out sheaves after the mast comes down in 
the fall. 
Theres a lot of talk about self tailing winches, aftermarket or original 
equipment? Eight Barient winches on ours, none are self tailing and all need 
servicing, I see West Marine sells springs and pawls, I should get a couple of 
sets for the inevitable loss, if needed I should be able to pick up bearings at 
a local bearing shop?
Thank you for all your advise and suggestions
Brad

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>   4.  Refilling 10 lb propane tank (mike amirault)
>   5. Re:  Refilling 10 lb propane tank (Josh Muckley)
>   6.  salt water siphoning into sink (mike amirault)
>   7. Re:  salt water siphoning into sink (Joel Aronson)
>   8. Re:  salt water siphoning into sink (Mike Brannon)
>   9. Re:  salt water siphoning into sink (Ken Heaton)
>  10. Re:  salt water siphoning into sink (Jack Fitzgerald)
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Re: Stus-List salt water siphoning into sink

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Is there a need for 2 sinks? There certainly is if you are spending 10 days 
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Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank

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Just to clarify, I had the tank recertified by a local licensed tech, it is 
fitted with the proper valve. I think the comment by Robert Boyer is probably 
right on, they are confusing forklift tanks with marine tanks.___

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Stus-List Barient winches.

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Bradley, Try the Australian Yacht winch Company for barient parts.___

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Re: Stus-List 10 lb propane tank OPD

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Hi Jake, 
I have the same problem. An older aluminum propane tank w no OPD. Replacements 
used to cost over $200. 
In twelve years of ownership, I replaced the tank twice w $40 steel tanks from 
camper supply houses. The bottom lip always rusted out, cause the tank sits in 
a little water in my boat's enclosure. Last spring I found a good Worthington 
10 lb aluminum tank on the web for around $120 and bought it. 


I'd still like to get the old tank converted so I have a backup, but after so 
many years it would need pressure testing and recertification. (Any pressure 
vessels like diving tanks and propane tanks, need to be perodically 
recertified.) The valve and recert may cost more than the cost of a brand new 
tank, which are now $130. 

http://www.amazon.com/Worthington-299889-10-Pound-Aluminum-Prevention/dp/B004FPZABU/ref=sr_1_3/184-5918953-3025141?ie=UTF8&qid=1424529824&sr=8-3&keywords=10+lb+propane+tank
 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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From: "Jake Brodersen via CnC-List"  
To: "mike amirault" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:32:11 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank 



Mike, 



I have an aluminum tank from my boat that doesn’t have an OPD valve on it. No 
way to get it filled unless I replace the valve with the newer “safe” variety. 
Never heard of problems with the tank material though. 



Jake 



Jake Brodersen 

“Midnight Mistress” 

C&C 35 Mk-III 

Hampton VA 








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Subject: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank 





Hello all. I brought my 10lb aluminum tank to Costco Halifax today for a 
refill. The attendant did fill it but informed me that they are not supposed to 
fill them any more because aluminum tanks are considered "commercial" and are 
to be taxed accordingly which Costco is not set up to do at the pumps. This 
sounds like a lot of BS to me. Has anyone else run into this? 

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Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank

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Hi Mike, 
May I ask what it cost to recertify an propane tank? Did they change the valve 
too? 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank 

Just to clarify, I had the tank recertified by a local licensed tech, it is 
fitted with the proper valve. I think the comment by Robert Boyer is probably 
right on, they are confusing forklift tanks with marine tanks. 

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Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII

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Brad

My race crew hates self tailers. I prefer them for thejib  sheets. Hard to
imagine the bearings are shot. A good clean and regrease should do it. Use
oil not grease on springs and pawls.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

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> Was at Toronto Boat Show, just realized I did pick up a catalogue for
> Garhauer, nice stuff as I recall. will check them out further.
> The plan in my little head right now is to 1) change out the halyards for
> all synthetic, 2) try to pull new wire from the top of the mast and rig new
> instruments, the old don't work anyways so I'm not losing anything even if
> I'm unsuccessful, 3) check bushings/trade out sheaves after the mast comes
> down in the fall.
> Theres a lot of talk about self tailing winches, aftermarket or original
> equipment? Eight Barient winches on ours, none are self tailing and all
> need servicing, I see West Marine sells springs and pawls, I should get a
> couple of sets for the inevitable loss, if needed I should be able to pick
> up bearings at a local bearing shop?
> Thank you for all your advise and suggestions
> Brad
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> >   5. Re:  Refilling 10 lb propane tank (Josh Muckley)
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> >   7. Re:  salt water siphoning into sink (Joel Aronson)
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> >  14. Re:  salt water siphoning into sink (Dennis C.)
> >  15. Re:  salt water siphoning into sink (Andrew Burton)
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Re: Stus-List Barient winches.

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

The only tricky bit is in not losing the pawls or springs. 
A cloth fastened between the toe rail and lifeline may help. 


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  Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 09:34
  Subject: Stus-List Barient winches.


  Bradley, Try the Australian Yacht winch Company for barient parts.


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Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII

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Brad,

We had a lot of winches on Perception when we bought her needing servicing. I 
took them all off one fall, brought them home and thoroughly cleaned all the 
old grease out of them - many hours of soaking in Mineral spirits, and using a 
stiff brush. All were fine after, and worked great! Subsequently I have reduced 
the number of winches, and changed 2 to Andersons, as we have migrated to 
cruising.

Where are you keeping your boat ?

Paul Fountain
Managing Director
SeaSource Inc.
Bookkeeping & IT Services.

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Was at Toronto Boat Show, just realized I did pick up a catalogue for Garhauer, 
nice stuff as I recall. will check them out further.
The plan in my little head right now is to 1) change out the halyards for all 
synthetic, 2) try to pull new wire from the top of the mast and rig new 
instruments, the old don't work anyways so I'm not losing anything even if I'm 
unsuccessful, 3) check bushings/trade out sheaves after the mast comes down in 
the fall. 
Theres a lot of talk about self tailing winches, aftermarket or original 
equipment? Eight Barient winches on ours, none are self tailing and all need 
servicing, I see West Marine sells springs and pawls, I should get a couple of 
sets for the inevitable loss, if needed I should be able to pick up bearings at 
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Joel,

 

I love self tailers!  Of the ten winches I have on board, eight are self 
tailing.  They are especially  helpful when sailing short handed.  As the 
helmsman, I like to tweak the genoa trim from time to time.  My aft winches are 
great for that.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

“Midnight Mistress”

C&C 35 Mk-III

Hampton VA

 

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:56 AM
To: Bradley Lumgair; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII

 

Brad

 

My race crew hates self tailers. I prefer them for thejib  sheets. Hard to 
imagine the bearings are shot. A good clean and regrease should do it. Use oil 
not grease on springs and pawls. 

 

Joel

35/3

Annapolis

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 wrote:

Was at Toronto Boat Show, just realized I did pick up a catalogue for Garhauer, 
nice stuff as I recall. will check them out further.
The plan in my little head right now is to 1) change out the halyards for all 
synthetic, 2) try to pull new wire from the top of the mast and rig new 
instruments, the old don't work anyways so I'm not losing anything even if I'm 
unsuccessful, 3) check bushings/trade out sheaves after the mast comes down in 
the fall.
Theres a lot of talk about self tailing winches, aftermarket or original 
equipment? Eight Barient winches on ours, none are self tailing and all need 
servicing, I see West Marine sells springs and pawls, I should get a couple of 
sets for the inevitable loss, if needed I should be able to pick up bearings at 
a local bearing shop?
Thank you for all your advise and suggestions
Brad

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Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

The OPD is "Overflow Protection Device".  It prevents any kind of tank,
regardless of material or age, from being overfilled which could cause a
tank failure.  

 

Regards,

Ron

Ronald V. Ricci

S/V Patriot

C&C 37+

Bristol, RI

  ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

 

From: Jake Brodersen [mailto:captain_j...@cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:32 AM
To: 'mike amirault'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank

 

Mike,

 

I have an aluminum tank from my boat that doesn't have an OPD valve on it.
No way to get it filled unless I replace the valve with the newer "safe"
variety.  Never heard of problems with the tank material though.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

"Midnight Mistress"

C&C 35 Mk-III

Hampton VA

 

 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank

 

Hello all. I brought my 10lb aluminum tank to Costco Halifax today for a
refill. The attendant did fill it but informed me that they are not supposed
to fill them any more because aluminum tanks are considered "commercial" and
are to be taxed accordingly which Costco is not set up to do at the pumps.
This sounds like a lot of BS to me. Has anyone else run into this?

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Re: Stus-List Barient winches.

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

A small terry hand towel laid on deck is great to hold dirty parts and keep 
them from sliding around. Another trick is to cut a hole in a shallow cardboard 
box ( w 4" high sides) so it can be placed over the winch, to catch parts. I 
find cardboard boxes for projects like this really save the deck too. On windy 
days, you have to take other precautions though. 

Mineral spirits or diesel fuel or Kerosene are good solvents for cleaning the 
grease from winches. Stu's website has the entire Barient Catologue as well as 
cleanng procedures, and the detailed drawings that help a great deal. All 
downloadable. 

I find after a good cleaning, and drying, oil the pawls and springs w 3 in 1 
Oil and grease the gears using a small acid brush, sparingly according to 
instructions. Next year, you can probably skip the heavy cleaning, just oil the 
pawls, and add a little grease using the acid brush. 

I keep a tube of grease, a bottle of 3 in 1 oil, small acid brushes and maybe a 
plastic scraper in a ziplock sandwich bag, marked w sharpie, WINCHES, w my 
spare parts. 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:58:14 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barient winches. 

The only tricky bit is in not losing the pawls or springs. 
A cloth fastened between the toe rail and lifeline may help. 



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Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 09:34 
Subject: Stus-List Barient winches. 

Bradley, Try the Australian Yacht winch Company for barient parts. 





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Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Self tailers are king. Racing w them is worth getting used to. Our boat came w 
4 self tailers and 2 non. The non-self tailers are primary winches we use only 
when we have crew for racing. These winches require two guys, one cranking and 
one tailing. I added big jam cleats to speed up the release and trim. If I 
replace them, they will be self tailers from Anderson probaby. Otherwise, I may 
remove them completely and rely on the four self tailing winches. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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From: "Jake Brodersen via CnC-List"  
To: "Joel Aronson" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com, "Bradley 
Lumgair"  
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:20:40 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII 



Joel, 



I love self tailers! Of the ten winches I have on board, eight are self 
tailing. They are especially helpful when sailing short handed. As the 
helmsman, I like to tweak the genoa trim from time to time. My aft winches are 
great for that. 



Jake 



Jake Brodersen 

“Midnight Mistress” 

C&C 35 Mk-III 

Hampton VA 







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Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:56 AM 
To: Bradley Lumgair; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII 



Brad 





My race crew hates self tailers. I prefer them for thejib sheets. Hard to 
imagine the bearings are shot. A good clean and regrease should do it. Use oil 
not grease on springs and pawls. 





Joel 


35/3 


Annapolis 

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Was at Toronto Boat Show, just realized I did pick up a catalogue for Garhauer, 
nice stuff as I recall. will check them out further. 
The plan in my little head right now is to 1) change out the halyards for all 
synthetic, 2) try to pull new wire from the top of the mast and rig new 
instruments, the old don't work anyways so I'm not losing anything even if I'm 
unsuccessful, 3) check bushings/trade out sheaves after the mast comes down in 
the fall. 
Theres a lot of talk about self tailing winches, aftermarket or original 
equipment? Eight Barient winches on ours, none are self tailing and all need 
servicing, I see West Marine sells springs and pawls, I should get a couple of 
sets for the inevitable loss, if needed I should be able to pick up bearings at 
a local bearing shop? 
Thank you for all your advise and suggestions 
Brad 

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Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

I just figured out what a self-tailing winch is! I always thought my jam cleats 
made them self-tailing.

 

Yeah I am that much of a novice to sailing boats bigger than knockabouts. It 
seems to me that they would be most useful when racing or single or short 
handing. My assumption is that they remove the need for someone to keep 
pressure on the sheet (or whatever you are winching) behind the winch thus 
allowing a one hand operation (or one person operation on larger winches). Does 
that remove the need for jam cleats behind the winches?

 

This is just for my knowledge. Based on the cost I have seen for new 
self-tailing winches I have suddenly become satisfied with my non tailing 
winches….for now.

 

My plan is to take them off the boat and bring them to my shop to clean and 
lubricate them. I’m a pretty decent mechanic. May I assume that disassembling 
them is a relatively simple process?

 

Burt  

 

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Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:48 AM
To: Jake Brodersen; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII

 

Self tailers are king.  Racing w them is worth getting used to.  Our boat came 
w 4 self tailers and 2 non.  The non-self tailers are primary winches we use 
only when we have crew for racing.  These winches require two guys, one 
cranking and one tailing.  I added big jam cleats to speed up the release and 
trim.   If I replace them, they will be self tailers from Anderson probaby.  
Otherwise, I may remove them completely and rely on the four self tailing 
winches.

 

 

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

 

  _  

From: "Jake Brodersen via CnC-List" 
To: "Joel Aronson" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com, "Bradley 
Lumgair" 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:20:40 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII

 

Joel,

 

I love self tailers!  Of the ten winches I have on board, eight are self 
tailing.  They are especially  helpful when sailing short handed.  As the 
helmsman, I like to tweak the genoa trim from time to time.  My aft winches are 
great for that.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

“Midnight Mistress”

C&C 35 Mk-III

Hampton VA

 

 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:56 AM
To: Bradley Lumgair; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII

 

Brad

 

My race crew hates self tailers. I prefer them for thejib  sheets. Hard to 
imagine the bearings are shot. A good clean and regrease should do it. Use oil 
not grease on springs and pawls. 

 

Joel

35/3

Annapolis

 

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 wrote:

Was at Toronto Boat Show, just realized I did pick up a catalogue for Garhauer, 
nice stuff as I recall. will check them out further.
The plan in my little head right now is to 1) change out the halyards for all 
synthetic, 2) try to pull new wire from the top of the mast and rig new 
instruments, the old don't work anyways so I'm not losing anything even if I'm 
unsuccessful, 3) check bushings/trade out sheaves after the mast comes down in 
the fall.
Theres a lot of talk about self tailing winches, aftermarket or original 
equipment? Eight Barient winches on ours, none are self tailing and all need 
servicing, I see West Marine sells springs and pawls, I should get a couple of 
sets for the inevitable loss, if needed I should be able to pick up bearings at 
a local bearing shop?
Thank you for all your advise and suggestions
Brad

 

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Re: Stus-List Barient winches.

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I have available the following:

1) two alloy Barient 26's (non-ST) for parts if any lister needs some.
Drums, pawls and springs NOT included.  Basically gear base and bearings.

2) one pair of alloy Barlow 26's (non-ST).  Some anodizing is chipped off
the base on each.

3) a pair of alloy Barient 22's (non-ST).  These are in very good
condition. 5 bolt pattern on base.  (Some 22's have 6)

4) One alloy Barient 28 (non-ST)

On the subject of winches, I replaced all of Touche's alloy winches with
stainless or chrome bronze for about $1100 off ebay and Craigslist.  That
was two each Barlow 28's and 26's and a pair of Barient 22's.

I personally like Barient winches.  While the newer Lewmars, etc. are nice,
the Barients seem to be well made.  Clean them; lube them; use them.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Barient winches.

[Ed Dooley via CnC-List]

I use spray lithium grease on my Barient 10ST winches. It penetrates better
than a brush and lasts a long time (and is less messy).
There are many brands, including WD-40. I missed the original post, and I
imagine from one reply that the original poster is in Australia.
Lewmar, with many retailers around the world, including Oz, owns Barient. I
buy my Barient repair kits from Lewmar dealers.
Ed

From:  Chuck S 
Date:  Sat, 21 Feb 2015 15:38:09 + (UTC)
To:  Steve Thomas , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"

Subject:  Re: Stus-List Barient winches.

A small terry hand towel laid on deck is great to hold dirty parts and keep
them from sliding around.  Another trick is to cut a hole in a shallow
cardboard box ( w 4" high sides) so it can be placed over the winch, to
catch parts.  I find cardboard boxes for projects like this really save the
deck too.  On windy days, you have to take other precautions though.

 Mineral spirits or diesel fuel or Kerosene are good solvents for cleaning
the grease from winches.  Stu's website has the entire Barient Catologue as
well as cleanng procedures, and the detailed drawings that help a great
deal.  All downloadable.

I find after a good cleaning, and drying, oil the pawls and springs w 3 in 1
Oil and grease the gears using a small acid brush, sparingly according to
instructions.  Next year, you can probably skip the heavy cleaning, just oil
the pawls, and add a little grease using the acid brush.

I keep a tube of grease, a bottle of 3 in 1 oil, small acid brushes and
maybe a plastic scraper in a ziplock sandwich bag, marked w sharpie,
WINCHES, w my spare parts.

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


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To: "mike amirault" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:58:14 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barient winches.

The only tricky bit is in not losing the pawls or springs.
A cloth fastened between the toe rail and lifeline may help.
 



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Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Around here, it costs $25 or so to recertify a tank and replace the valve.
I think the aluminum one on the boat is close to original, it has been
recertified so many times that the stamps are getting blended.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 21 February 2015 at 07:38, Ron Ricci via CnC-List 
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> The OPD is “Overflow Protection Device”.  It prevents any kind of tank,
> regardless of material or age, from being overfilled which could cause a
> tank failure.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> *Ron*
>
> Ronald V. Ricci
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>
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>
> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jake Brodersen [mailto:captain_j...@cox.net]
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:32 AM
> *To:* 'mike amirault'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
>
>
> I have an aluminum tank from my boat that doesn’t have an OPD valve on
> it.  No way to get it filled unless I replace the valve with the newer
> “safe” variety.  Never heard of problems with the tank material though.
>
>
>
> Jake
>
>
>
> *Jake Brodersen*
>
> *“Midnight Mistress”*
>
> *C&C 35 Mk-III*
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>
>
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> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
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>
>
>
> Hello all. I brought my 10lb aluminum tank to Costco Halifax today for a
> refill. The attendant did fill it but informed me that they are not
> supposed to fill them any more because aluminum tanks are considered
> "commercial" and are to be taxed accordingly which Costco is not set up to
> do at the pumps. This sounds like a lot of BS to me. Has anyone else run
> into this?
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Re: Stus-List Barient Winch Spares

[Harry Hallgring via CnC-List]

I needed a line stripper for a Barient 24ST...looked all over the world for a 
year. I broke down and called Allen Hutton in AUS. They have just about any 
spare Barient part you could imagine...except a line stripper for a 24 ST!  
So...he made one...perfect replacement, very pleasant to work with. 
As for self tailers, look at Winchmate. When it makes it to the top of my 
priority list, I'm buying a pair for my 32 primaries. 

Harry
MIRAGE
Northeast 39
Newport, RI
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2015, at 09:03, Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Was at Toronto Boat Show, just realized I did pick up a catalogue for 
> Garhauer, nice stuff as I recall. will check them out further.
> The plan in my little head right now is to 1) change out the halyards for all 
> synthetic, 2) try to pull new wire from the top of the mast and rig new 
> instruments, the old don't work anyways so I'm not losing anything even if 
> I'm unsuccessful, 3) check bushings/trade out sheaves after the mast comes 
> down in the fall. 
> Theres a lot of talk about self tailing winches, aftermarket or original 
> equipment? Eight Barient winches on ours, none are self tailing and all need 
> servicing, I see West Marine sells springs and pawls, I should get a couple 
> of sets for the inevitable loss, if needed I should be able to pick up 
> bearings at a local bearing shop?
> Thank you for all your advise and suggestions
> Brad
> 
> Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, 
> from my iPad!
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Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

All,

Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a handheld
VHF with DSC this season.

Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from
theGPSStore for $125.00

Any reason I should not buy this unit?

35/3
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Annapolis
Joel
301 541 8551
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Stus-List Short handed racing on the Chesapeake

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

All,

There is a push to have more single and double handed racing on the
Chesapeake starting this summer.

If you are interested in racing your boat, I can put you in touch with the
organizer.  We should have a website up and running in a few weeks.
-- 
Joel
301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Burt,

This is the most helpful, non-judgmental group I have ever been a part of.
Ask away!  With self tailers you do not need jam/cam cleats.  It helps to
have one person tail and one grind to reduce slippage.

My Barients are pretty much idiot proof.  No 2 gears are the same, so it
would be hard to put them back together incorrectly.  If you are doing 2,
remove both drums but take them apart one at a time so you can look at the
dirty one when you reassemble the clean one.

Joel

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I just figured out what a self-tailing winch is! I always thought my jam
> cleats made them self-tailing.
>
>
>
> Yeah I am that much of a novice to sailing boats bigger than knockabouts.
> It seems to me that they would be most useful when racing or single or
> short handing. My assumption is that they remove the need for someone to
> keep pressure on the sheet (or whatever you are winching) behind the winch
> thus allowing a one hand operation (or one person operation on larger
> winches). Does that remove the need for jam cleats behind the winches?
>
>
>
> This is just for my knowledge. Based on the cost I have seen for new
> self-tailing winches I have suddenly become satisfied with my non tailing
> winches….for now.
>
>
>
> My plan is to take them off the boat and bring them to my shop to clean
> and lubricate them. I’m a pretty decent mechanic. May I assume that
> disassembling them is a relatively simple process?
>
>
>
> Burt
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
> S via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:48 AM
> *To:* Jake Brodersen; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII
>
>
>
> Self tailers are king.  Racing w them is worth getting used to.  Our boat
> came w 4 self tailers and 2 non.  The non-self tailers are primary winches
> we use only when we have crew for racing.  These winches require two guys,
> one cranking and one tailing.  I added big jam cleats to speed up the
> release and trim.   If I replace them, they will be self tailers from
> Anderson probaby.  Otherwise, I may remove them completely and rely on the
> four self tailing winches.
>
>
>
>
>
> Chuck
> *Resolute*
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jake Brodersen via CnC-List" 
> *To: *"Joel Aronson" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com,
> "Bradley Lumgair" 
> *Sent: *Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:20:40 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII
>
>
>
> Joel,
>
>
>
> I love self tailers!  Of the ten winches I have on board, eight are self
> tailing.  They are especially  helpful when sailing short handed.  As the
> helmsman, I like to tweak the genoa trim from time to time.  My aft winches
> are great for that.
>
>
>
> Jake
>
>
>
> *Jake Brodersen*
>
> *“Midnight Mistress”*
>
> *C&C 35 Mk-III*
>
> *Hampton VA*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:56 AM
> *To:* Bradley Lumgair; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII
>
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> My race crew hates self tailers. I prefer them for thejib  sheets. Hard to
> imagine the bearings are shot. A good clean and regrease should do it. Use
> oil not grease on springs and pawls.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
> 35/3
>
> Annapolis
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 21, 2015, Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Was at Toronto Boat Show, just realized I did pick up a catalogue for
> Garhauer, nice stuff as I recall. will check them out further.
> The plan in my little head right now is to 1) change out the halyards for
> all synthetic, 2) try to pull new wire from the top of the mast and rig new
> instruments, the old don't work anyways so I'm not losing anything even if
> I'm unsuccessful, 3) check bushings/trade out sheaves after the mast comes
> down in the fall.
> Theres a lot of talk about self tailing winches, aftermarket or original
> equipment? Eight Barient winches on ours, none are self tailing and all
> need servicing, I see West Marine sells springs and pawls, I should get a
> couple of sets for the inevitable loss, if needed I should be able to pick
> up bearings at a local bearing shop?
> Thank you for all your advise and suggestions
> Brad
>
>
>
> Sent, miraculously through cyberspace,
> from my iPad!
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Joel,

Do they require it to be registered too? 
Seriously, I got a Standard Horizon built-in with 
DSC but never got around to obtaining the number for it.


In answer to the question, go with cheap is okay 
in this case, since I'm guessing you already have an Icom for reliability.


I start to question some of these new SI 
requirements for inshore racing, with keelboats. 
Whatever happened to skipper accountability? 
Pretty soon they will start qualifying crew as well. :)


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1



At 11:22 AM 21/02/2015, you wrote:

All,

Found out that the local racing authority, 
CBYRA, will require a handheld VHF with DSC this season.


Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld 
VHF Radio with GPS from theGPSStore for $125.00


Any reason I should not buy this unit?

35/3
The Office
Annapolis
Joel
301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

[Bill Bina via CnC-List]

  
  
I have that model and have no
  complaints, except that I paid quite a bit more than $125 for it!
  There is now a new model hx870, but I think the only major change
  is the addition of a strobe that lights if you drop it in the
  water. At $125 it is a steal.
  
  Bill Bina
  
  
  On 2/21/2015 2:22 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:


  All,


Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will
  require a handheld VHF with DSC this season.


Looking at a Standard
Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from theGPSStore
for $125.00

  
  
  Any reason I
should not buy this unit?
  
  
  35/3
The Office
Annapolis
  Joel 
301 541 8551

  
  
  
  
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Re: Stus-List Short handed racing on the Chesapeake

[Chris Price via CnC-List]

Joel, did you attend the meeting at PSA today? 

Chris Price 
Pradel 35 MK I 


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From: "Joel Aronson via CnC-List"  
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Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:25:58 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Short handed racing on the Chesapeake 

All, 

There is a push to have more single and double handed racing on the Chesapeake 
starting this summer. 

If you are interested in racing your boat, I can put you in touch with the 
organizer. We should have a website up and running in a few weeks. 
-- 
Joel 
301 541 8551 

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Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Burt,

My Barients are original non-sailing. I removed 
the jam cleats years ago during a cockpit reno 
and never got around to putting them back on. I 
find after mostly trimming if I put on a couple 
extra wraps (to maybe 5) and take in a bit more 
for final trim the sheet stays put quite nicely. 
The winch is designed for the wraps to ride up and lock into the top flange.
If I'm on the tack for some time I might throw on 
a tugboat (bollard) hitch for piece o' mind.

http://www.animatedknots.com/lightermans/

Another option:
http://www.winchmate.com/

There is yet another inexpensive option that I 
cannot find. A rubber-like ring with self tailing 
locking ribs that fit over the top flange the 
winch. It was made in Sweden or UK, popular in 
the '80s... might be called grip mate or something like that.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1



At 08:06 AM 21/02/2015, you wrote:

I just figured out what a self-tailing winch is! 
I always thought my jam cleats made them self-tailing.


Yeah I am that much of a novice to sailing boats 
bigger than knockabouts. It seems to me that 
they would be most useful when racing or single 
or short handing. My assumption is that they 
remove the need for someone to keep pressure on 
the sheet (or whatever you are winching) behind 
the winch thus allowing a one hand operation (or 
one person operation on larger winches). Does 
that remove the need for jam cleats behind the winches?


This is just for my knowledge. Based on the cost 
I have seen for new self-tailing winches I have 
suddenly become satisfied with my non tailing winches….for now.


My plan is to take them off the boat and bring 
them to my shop to clean and lubricate them. 
I’m a pretty decent mechanic. May I assume 
that disassembling them is a relatively simple process?


Burt

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[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List

Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:48 AM
To: Jake Brodersen; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII

Self tailers are king.  Racing w them is worth 
getting used to.  Our boat came w 4 self tailers 
and 2 non.  The non-self tailers are primary 
winches we use only when we have crew for 
racing.  These winches require two guys, one 
cranking and one tailing.  I added big jam 
cleats to speed up the release and trim.   If I 
replace them, they will be self tailers from 
Anderson probaby.  Otherwise, I may remove them 
completely and rely on the four self tailing winches.



Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

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Re: Stus-List Barient winches.

[mike amirault via CnC-List]

No, nobody is from Australia, I was just pointing out the Australian winch 
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Re: Stus-List Barient Winch Spares

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I had those winchmate things on my Mirage, did not care for them at all and cut 
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Re: Stus-List Barient Winch Spares

[Harry Hallgring via CnC-List]

Mike,
did you have Winchmates or Winchers?

Harry
Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:36 PM, mike amirault via CnC-List 
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> I had those winchmate things on my Mirage, did not care for them at all and 
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Re: Stus-List Barient Winch Spares

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Winchers
That's the creature I had in the '80s, blue ones! I find them not 
required on Barients due to a good design. They worked somewhat on 
old Barlows.


I hit send before  action on previous message. :)

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 12:41 PM 21/02/2015, you wrote:

Mike,
did you have Winchmates or Winchers?

Harry
Sent from my iPad

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I had those winchmate things on my Mirage, did not care for them at 
all and cut them off.

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Re: Stus-List Barient Winch Spares

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Winchers Harry.___

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Re: Stus-List Barient Winch Spares

[Harry Hallgring via CnC-List]

yes, i haven't heard anything good about the blue winchers.  Winchmates are a 
little pricey at $1300USD per pair...hope they work!! 

Harry
Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Russ & Melody  wrote:
> 
> 
> Winchers
> That's the creature I had in the '80s, blue ones! I find them not required on 
> Barients due to a good design. They worked somewhat on old Barlows. 
> 
> I hit send before  action on previous message. :)
> 
> Cheers, Russ
> Sweet 35 mk-1
> 
> At 12:41 PM 21/02/2015, you wrote:
>> Mike,
>> did you have Winchmates or Winchers?
>> 
>> Harry
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:36 PM, mike amirault via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had those winchmate things on my Mirage, did not care for them at all and 
>>> cut them off.
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Re: Stus-List Barient Winch Spares

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Re: Stus-List Barient Winch Spares

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Well, the ad does say you can have self-tailing winches at a fraction 
of new price 1/3 is a fraction :)


At 12:54 PM 21/02/2015, you wrote:

$1300 USD per pair??? Did you add an extra zero?
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Re: Stus-List Barient Winch Spares

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Not the same thing.

 

I think you are talking about the blue rubber collars that go on the top
flange of smaller winches and purport to make then self-tailing - but
usually don't work too well. The brand name for those is WINCHERS.

WINCHMATE is a company in California that makes conversion kits that turn
larger Barient non-self-tailers into self-tailing winches. 

 

I've had experience with Winchmate conversions on a friend's boat and they
work pretty well - though I will spend the extra few bucks to get the kit
with spring loaded jaws that adjust for varying line sizes. The kit to
convert my Barient 32s is about $600 per winch, but a similar sized Lewmar
or Harken winch is between $2k and $3k and a used Barient 32ST is a grand or
more, when you can find one.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

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I had those winchmate things on my Mirage, did not care for them at all and
cut them off.

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Re: Stus-List Barient winches.

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I cut a hole in the bottom of a suitably large cardboard box and set it down
over the winch before starting disassembly. No parts jump overboard and if I
spill grease it stays in the box, not on the deck.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Barient winches.

 

The only tricky bit is in not losing the pawls or springs. 

A cloth fastened between the toe rail and lifeline may help. 

 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Barient winches.

 

Bradley, Try the Australian Yacht winch Company for barient parts.

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Re: Stus-List Barient Winch Spares

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Yes, I apologize for the confusion, I had the Blue rubber "Winchers", not the 
"winchmates". However. IMHO, the Winchmates are still "throwing good money 
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Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Actually they are confusing a DOT tank ( vehicles like forklifts and marine)
with a recreational tank (BBQ grills and travel trailers). You would be
surprised at how many small warehouse and machine shop operations had
trouble getting tanks for forklifts filled when the rules for recreational
tanks went into effect.

 

Just try to find anyone who fills tanks for BBQ grills that actually
understands the rules. There is no point in trying to fill a boat tank
without an OPV.

 

Rick Brass

Boat owner for 20+ years

Engineering manager for two forklift manufacturers for 11 of them

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank

 

Just to clarify, I had the tank recertified by a local licensed tech, it is
fitted with the proper valve. I think the comment by Robert Boyer is
probably right on, they are confusing forklift tanks with marine tanks.

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Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank

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Thanks for that Rick, I will certainly challenge Costco on this if they refuse 
to fill my tank in the future. I suspect this is a case if misinformation from 
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Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

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I have one.  I like it quite a bit.  You might consider the Uniden Mystic
instead though.  It is an older unit but it has most of the same features
AND it maps your GPS location.  Not very good charts but better than flying
blind.  The other models of VHFs have bluetooth which I think might be a
better trade off than gps without mapping.

Also bear in mind that the VHF registered with an MMSI will also referance
your boat name and as such using the DSC on another boat could cause
confusion during an emergency.

I mounted the cradle for my HX851 in the boat at the nav staion.  I took
the cradle apart and added hardwire supply lines instead of the plug and
cigarette lighter that it comes with.  The charger cradle is wired through
the on/off for the installed VHF.  That way the charger only comes on when
the switch for the ships radio is on.  It won't over charge and it won't
drain the battery when I'm not there.

The HX851 also has an optional AA battery adapter pack.  Very handy.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Feb 21, 2015 2:23 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> All,
>
> Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a handheld
> VHF with DSC this season.
>
> Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from
> theGPSStore for $125.00
>
> Any reason I should not buy this unit?
>
> 35/3
> The Office
> Annapolis
> Joel
> 301 541 8551
>
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Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I forgot:

The HX851 floats, strobes SOS when dropped in the water and has a glow in
the dark rim.

The Mystic will not do any of those things.  Hell it might not even be
waterproof.

Josh
On Feb 21, 2015 5:20 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:

> I have one.  I like it quite a bit.  You might consider the Uniden Mystic
> instead though.  It is an older unit but it has most of the same features
> AND it maps your GPS location.  Not very good charts but better than flying
> blind.  The other models of VHFs have bluetooth which I think might be a
> better trade off than gps without mapping.
>
> Also bear in mind that the VHF registered with an MMSI will also referance
> your boat name and as such using the DSC on another boat could cause
> confusion during an emergency.
>
> I mounted the cradle for my HX851 in the boat at the nav staion.  I took
> the cradle apart and added hardwire supply lines instead of the plug and
> cigarette lighter that it comes with.  The charger cradle is wired through
> the on/off for the installed VHF.  That way the charger only comes on when
> the switch for the ships radio is on.  It won't over charge and it won't
> drain the battery when I'm not there.
>
> The HX851 also has an optional AA battery adapter pack.  Very handy.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Feb 21, 2015 2:23 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a handheld
>> VHF with DSC this season.
>>
>> Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from
>> theGPSStore for $125.00
>>
>> Any reason I should not buy this unit?
>>
>> 35/3
>> The Office
>> Annapolis
>> Joel
>> 301 541 8551
>>
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Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank

[prf680 via CnC-List]

Hey Jim

Where's the best place in Victoria to get a recert? Mind you, my tank is 
fiberglass ... not sure if that's an issue with where I take it.

Peter
C&C27
Cygnet
North Saanich




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From: Jim Watts via CnC-List  
Date: 02-21-2015  10:12 AM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: Ron Ricci ,1 CnC List  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank 
 
Around here, it costs $25 or so to recertify a tank and replace the valve. I 
think the aluminum one on the boat is close to original, it has been 
recertified so many times that the stamps are getting blended. 

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 21 February 2015 at 07:38, Ron Ricci via CnC-List  
wrote:
The OPD is “Overflow Protection Device”.  It prevents any kind of tank, 
regardless of material or age, from being overfilled which could cause a tank 
failure. 

 

Regards,

Ron

Ronald V. Ricci
S/V Patriot

C&C 37+

Bristol, RI

ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

 

From: Jake Brodersen [mailto:captain_j...@cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:32 AM
To: 'mike amirault'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank

 

Mike,

 

I have an aluminum tank from my boat that doesn’t have an OPD valve on it.  No 
way to get it filled unless I replace the valve with the newer “safe” variety.  
Never heard of problems with the tank material though.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

“Midnight Mistress”

C&C 35 Mk-III

Hampton VA

 

 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank

 

Hello all. I brought my 10lb aluminum tank to Costco Halifax today for a 
refill. The attendant did fill it but informed me that they are not supposed to 
fill them any more because aluminum tanks are considered "commercial" and are 
to be taxed accordingly which Costco is not set up to do at the pumps. This 
sounds like a lot of BS to me. Has anyone else run into this?


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Stus-List (no subject)

[Curtis via CnC-List]

I need to replace the 9 loop deck rails and 6 loop interior hand rails on
my C&C30 MK1. they where terrible in shape when i bought the boat 2012. I
refinished them and rebedded, but they have served the old girl well. I
have checked the web found a few sources, but I wonder if any owners have
found the exact replacement ones? Let me know. Thanks for your time. Capt
Curt.
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didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away
from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
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Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

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Personally, I'd pop extra $$ for the new HX870.  It floats and has built in
GPS.  If I'm in the water, I'd want the thing broadcasting my location.

Dennis C.

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> All,
>
> Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a handheld
> VHF with DSC this season.
>
> Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from
> theGPSStore for $125.00
>
> Any reason I should not buy this unit?
>
> 35/3
> The Office
> Annapolis
> Joel
> 301 541 8551
>
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Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Probably isn't...Uniden had a huge failure rate when I was selling them.
I'd put more money in and get reliable gear.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 21 February 2015 at 14:23, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I forgot:
>
> The HX851 floats, strobes SOS when dropped in the water and has a glow in
> the dark rim.
>
> The Mystic will not do any of those things.  Hell it might not even be
> waterproof.
>
> Josh
> On Feb 21, 2015 5:20 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:
>
>> I have one.  I like it quite a bit.  You might consider the Uniden Mystic
>> instead though.  It is an older unit but it has most of the same features
>> AND it maps your GPS location.  Not very good charts but better than flying
>> blind.  The other models of VHFs have bluetooth which I think might be a
>> better trade off than gps without mapping.
>>
>> Also bear in mind that the VHF registered with an MMSI will also
>> referance your boat name and as such using the DSC on another boat could
>> cause confusion during an emergency.
>>
>> I mounted the cradle for my HX851 in the boat at the nav staion.  I took
>> the cradle apart and added hardwire supply lines instead of the plug and
>> cigarette lighter that it comes with.  The charger cradle is wired through
>> the on/off for the installed VHF.  That way the charger only comes on when
>> the switch for the ships radio is on.  It won't over charge and it won't
>> drain the battery when I'm not there.
>>
>> The HX851 also has an optional AA battery adapter pack.  Very handy.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>> On Feb 21, 2015 2:23 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a
>>> handheld VHF with DSC this season.
>>>
>>> Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from
>>> theGPSStore for $125.00
>>>
>>> Any reason I should not buy this unit?
>>>
>>> 35/3
>>> The Office
>>> Annapolis
>>> Joel
>>> 301 541 8551
>>>
>>> ___
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

[Bill Bina via CnC-List]

  
  
The HX851 has GPS and it floats. 
  

  
  Bill Bina
  
  On 2/21/2015 5:57 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:


  
Personally, I'd pop extra $$ for the new HX870.  It floats
  and has built in GPS.  If I'm in the water, I'd want the thing
  broadcasting my location.
  

Dennis C.
  
  
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Joel
  Aronson via CnC-List 
  wrote:
  
All,
  
  
  Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA,
will require a handheld VHF with DSC this season.
  
  
  Looking at a Standard
  Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from
  theGPSStore for $125.00
  


Any reason
  I should not buy this unit?


35/3
  The Office
  Annapolis
Joel 
  301 541 8551

  

  

  


  


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Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

[Alan Bergen via CnC-List]

They're requiring a DSC handheld for the Oregon Offshore race, this year. With 
all the new safety requirements, they're going to price many boats/skippers out 
of the race. 

Alan Bergen 
35 Mk III Thirsty 
Rose City YC 
Portland, OR 

All, 

Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a handheld VHF 
with DSC this season. 

Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from 
theGPSStore for $125.00 

Any reason I should not buy this unit? 

35/3 
The Office 
Annapolis 
Joel 
301 541 8551 
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Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank

[Alan Bergen via CnC-List]

I have a fiberglass tank, which has been recalled. That means I probably won't 
be able to refill it. Your tank might be similar. 

Alan Bergen 
35 Mk III Thirsty 
Rose City YC 
Portland, OR 

Hey Jim 

Where's the best place in Victoria to get a recert? Mind you, my tank is 
fiberglass ... not sure if that's an issue with where I take it. 

Peter 
C&C27 
Cygnet 
North Saanich 




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From: Jim Watts via CnC-List  
Date: 02-21-2015 10:12 AM (GMT-08:00) 
To: Ron Ricci ,1 CnC List  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank 


Around here, it costs $25 or so to recertify a tank and replace the valve. I 
think the aluminum one on the boat is close to original, it has been 
recertified so many times that the stamps are getting blended. 

Jim Watts 
Paradigm Shift 
C&C 35 Mk III 
Victoria, BC 

On 21 February 2015 at 07:38, Ron Ricci via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 





The OPD is “Overflow Protection Device”. It prevents any kind of tank, 
regardless of material or age, from being overfilled which could cause a tank 
failure. 



Regards, 

Ron 

Ronald V. Ricci 

S/V Patriot 

C&C 37+ 

Bristol, RI 

ron.ri...@1968.usna.com 








From: Jake Brodersen [mailto: captain_j...@cox.net ] 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:32 AM 
To: 'mike amirault'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank 




Mike, 



I have an aluminum tank from my boat that doesn’t have an OPD valve on it. No 
way to get it filled unless I replace the valve with the newer “safe” variety. 
Never heard of problems with the tank material though. 



Jake 



Jake Brodersen 

“Midnight Mistress” 

C&C 35 Mk-III 

Hampton VA 








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amirault via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 6:09 PM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank 





Hello all. I brought my 10lb aluminum tank to Costco Halifax today for a 
refill. The attendant did fill it but informed me that they are not supposed to 
fill them any more because aluminum tanks are considered "commercial" and are 
to be taxed accordingly which Costco is not set up to do at the pumps. This 
sounds like a lot of BS to me. Has anyone else run into this? 

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Re: Stus-List (no subject)

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

No one stocks exact replacements. You either have to get them made, or make 
them yourself. The "loops" on the stock items are shorter for one thing, and 
there is no way to match them up with the holes in your boat. 

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
  - Original Message - 
  From: Curtis via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 17:52
  Subject: Stus-List (no subject)


  I need to replace the 9 loop deck rails and 6 loop interior hand rails on my 
C&C30 MK1. they where terrible in shape when i bought the boat 2012. I 
refinished them and rebedded, but they have served the old girl well. I have 
checked the web found a few sources, but I wonder if any owners have found the 
exact replacement ones? Let me know. Thanks for your time. Capt Curt.
  -- 

  Best regards,

  Curtis McDaniel, 


  C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady


  Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you 
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away 
from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. 
Discover.  -Mark Twain
  http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/




  cpt.b...@gmail.com



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Re: Stus-List Barient winches.

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

>Mineral spirits or diesel fuel or Kerosene are good solvents for cleaning 
>the grease from winches. 

For those more challenging projects the Castrol Super Clean works well.
I think the product has changed over the years, may be a different company
making it now. I have a couple jugs from a few years ago. Serious stuff, cleans
neglected winches to squeaky clean and rinses with warm water.

http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/superclean-degreaser-refill-946-ml-0392964p.html#.VOkGMy6VCpo

No idea if the current product is the same as what I have.
Normal cautionary note here - wear gloves and don't breath the fumes.
It eats aluminum and pot metal, paint ...


Also, note that ball - roller - needle bearings are designed to roll. Some
of the new super lubricates are so slippery that things slide instead, which
may increase resistance and wear.  

Michael Brown
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 12:58:06 -0500 
From: Ed Dooley  
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barient winches. 
Message-ID:  
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 
 
I use spray lithium grease on my Barient 10ST winches. It penetrates better 
than a brush and lasts a long time (and is less messy). 
There are many brands, including WD-40. I missed the original post, and I 
imagine from one reply that the original poster is in Australia. 
Lewmar, with many retailers around the world, including Oz, owns Barient. I 
buy my Barient repair kits from Lewmar dealers. 
Ed 
 
From:  Chuck S  
Date:  Sat, 21 Feb 2015 15:38:09 + (UTC) 
To:  Steve Thomas , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
 
Subject:  Re: Stus-List Barient winches. 
 
A small terry hand towel laid on deck is great to hold dirty parts and keep 
them from sliding around.  Another trick is to cut a hole in a shallow 
cardboard box ( w 4" high sides) so it can be placed over the winch, to 
catch parts.  I find cardboard boxes for projects like this really save the 
deck too.  On windy days, you have to take other precautions though. 
 
 Mineral spirits or diesel fuel or Kerosene are good solvents for cleaning 
the grease from winches.  Stu's website has the entire Barient Catologue as 
well as cleanng procedures, and the detailed drawings that help a great 
deal.  All downloadable. 
 
I find after a good cleaning, and drying, oil the pawls and springs w 3 in 1 
Oil and grease the gears using a small acid brush, sparingly according to 
instructions.  Next year, you can probably skip the heavy cleaning, just oil 
the pawls, and add a little grease using the acid brush. 
 
I keep a tube of grease, a bottle of 3 in 1 oil, small acid brushes and 
maybe a plastic scraper in a ziplock sandwich bag, marked w sharpie, 
WINCHES, w my spare parts. 
 
Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 
 
 
From: "Steve Thomas via CnC-List"  
To: "mike amirault" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:58:14 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barient winches. 
 
The only tricky bit is in not losing the pawls or springs. 
A cloth fastened between the toe rail and lifeline may help. 
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Re: Stus-List (no subject)

[Bill Bina via CnC-List]

  
  
I got exact replacements from a place
  in Florida that makes all sorts of things out of teak. You are
  correct that the ones carried by all the big retailers do not have
  the correct 12 inch  spacing. 
  
  
  
  Make sure to specify NO FINISH when you order or they will come
  with a rubbed oil finish that you will have to strip before
  applying any varnish. 
  
  Bill Bina
  
  
  On 2/21/2015 7:19 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List wrote:


  
  
  
  No one stocks exact replacements.
  You either have to get them made, or make them yourself. The
  "loops" on the stock items are shorter for one thing, and
  there is no way to match them up with the holes in your boat.

   
  Steve Thomas
  C&C27 MKIII
  
- Original Message -

  


  


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Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Hi Joel, 
Point 1) I'd be interested in the Chesapeake Bay Shorthanded Sailing Society 
and racing this summer. 
Point 2) That's a great price for a handheld VHF let alone one that floats and 
has DSC! Defender has a sale coming up end of March, might be worth waiting 
for? 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Joel Aronson via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:22:52 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC 

All, 

Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a handheld VHF 
with DSC this season. 

Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from 
theGPSStore for $125.00 

Any reason I should not buy this unit? 

35/3 
The Office 
Annapolis 
Joel 
301 541 8551 

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Re: Stus-List (no subject)

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Had new ones made for Perception by Mark Bruckmann, Bruckmann Yachts, his dad 
was one of the original 3 builders that formed C&C  Ran the custom shop. 
They look great on the boat!

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Curtis via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I need to replace the 9 loop deck rails and 6 loop interior hand rails on my 
C&C30 MK1. they where terrible in shape when i bought the boat 2012. I 
refinished them and rebedded, but they have served the old girl well. I have 
checked the web found a few sources, but I wonder if any owners have found the 
exact replacement ones? Let me know. Thanks for your time. Capt Curt.
--

Best regards,

Curtis McDaniel,

C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady

Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you 
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away 
from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. 
Discover.  -Mark Twain
http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/



cpt.b...@gmail.com



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Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

Help me understand the original requirement;  Is it to have DSC on the
vessel and it can be either a fixed or handheld radio? Or is it handheld
only?  

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina
via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 5:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

 

The HX851 has GPS and it floats. 

 



Bill Bina

On 2/21/2015 5:57 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Personally, I'd pop extra $$ for the new HX870.  It floats and has built in
GPS.  If I'm in the water, I'd want the thing broadcasting my location.

Dennis C.

 

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List
 wrote:

All, 

 

Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a handheld
VHF with DSC this season.

 

Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from
theGPSStore for $125.00

 

Any reason I should not buy this unit?

 

35/3

The Office

Annapolis

Joel 
301 541 8551   

 

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Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Pete,

Here's the original message:

All,
Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a 
handheld VHF with DSC this season.
Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from 
the GPSStore for $125.00

Any reason I should not buy this unit?
35/3

Joel


so far the HX851 @ $125 looks like a deal

Try to keep up eh. :)

Cheers, Russ

At 06:06 PM 21/02/2015, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_004E_01D04E11.DA72C6B0"
Content-Language: en-us

Help me understand the original requirement;  Is it to have DSC on 
the vessel and it can be either a fixed or handheld radio? Or is it 
handheld only?




From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
Bill Bina via CnC-List

Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 5:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

The HX851 has GPS and it floats.



Bill Bina

On 2/21/2015 5:57 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
Personally, I'd pop extra $$ for the new HX870.  It floats and has 
built in GPS.  If I'm in the water, I'd want the thing broadcasting 
my location.

Dennis C.

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

All,

Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a 
handheld VHF with DSC this season.


Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from 
theGPSStore for $125.00


Any reason I should not buy this unit?

35/3
The Office
Annapolis
Joel
301 541 8551


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Stus-List Handheld VHF with GPS and DSC

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Dammit, Joel.  Now you started something.  I was perfectly happy with my
handheld VHF until you got me looking at the new ones.

Mentioned it to the Admiral.  She kinda likes the idea.  We started asking
ourselves why we would need a handheld VHF with GPS and DSC.  We have DSC,
AIS, all that stuff in the fixed unit.  The only time we use the handheld
is in the dinghy.

We came up with a few "justifications" for the upgrade.  Like:

   - a health emergency while we were in the dinghy
   - attaching it to a throwable and tossing it to a MOB
   - keeping it clipped on the bowman in case he (me) goes overboard
   - we can sell the old one on eBay
   - we just want one

C'mon listers, why else would we pop for a new handheld VHF?

FYI, I'd probably buy the Standard Horizon HX870 for $210.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

[Ian Matthew via CnC-List]

I have the Standard Horizon handheld and I consider it my 2nd most
important safety device ( my PFD in #1). I race in San Francisco Bay and I
want to be plucked out of that cold water as quickly as possible.  I also
race offshore on a Cal 40 and again I want to be rescued quickly.  I have
the radio registered with my C&C 29 by default (through MMSI registration
with Boat US.  Then when I race on the Cal 40 I just login to Boat US and
change the details to show I am on the Cal.  It takes me 5 minutes, and as
soon as I am onshore I set it back to my C&C.  It's that easy.

I think everyone should have a handheld with DSC.


On Saturday, February 21, 2015, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Personally, I'd pop extra $$ for the new HX870.  It floats and has built
> in GPS.  If I'm in the water, I'd want the thing broadcasting my location.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a handheld
>> VHF with DSC this season.
>>
>> Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from
>> theGPSStore for $125.00
>>
>> Any reason I should not buy this unit?
>>
>> 35/3
>> The Office
>> Annapolis
>> Joel
>> 301 541 8551
>>
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San Francisco Bay

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Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

Thanks, Russ.  I got that part.   Just trying to understand if CBYRA is
following both US Safety Requirements 3.8.1 and 3.8.2.  

 

 

 

 

From: Russ & Melody [mailto:russ...@telus.net] 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:25 PM
To: Pete Shelquist; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

 

Hi Pete,

Here's the original message:



All, 
Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a handheld
VHF with DSC this season.
Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from the
GPSStore for $125.00
Any reason I should not buy this unit?
35/3

Joel 


so far the HX851 @ $125 looks like a deal

Try to keep up eh. :)

Cheers, Russ

At 06:06 PM 21/02/2015, you wrote:



Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="=_NextPart_000_004E_01D04E11.DA72C6B0"
Content-Language: en-us

Help me understand the original requirement;  Is it to have DSC on the
vessel and it can be either a fixed or handheld radio? Or is it handheld
only?  
 
 
 
From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
 ] On Behalf Of Bill Bina via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 5:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC
 
The HX851 has GPS and it floats. 

 
 <
http://www.standardhorizon.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts
 &ProdCatID=85&ProdID=1558&DivisionID=3
 >

Bill Bina

On 2/21/2015 5:57 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Personally, I'd pop extra $$ for the new HX870.  It floats and has built in
GPS.  If I'm in the water, I'd want the thing broadcasting my location.

Dennis C.

 

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List
 wrote:

All, 

 

Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a handheld
VHF with DSC this season.

 

Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from
theGPSStore for $125.00

 

Any reason I should not buy this unit?

 

35/3

The Office

Annapolis

Joel 

301 541 8551   

 
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Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Pete,

So sorry, can't help you there. I'm in the Great White North.

Well, sorta.
I mean, it's great and north but not so white. It's really, really 
green. As in, almost time to mow the lawn green. Don't get me wrong. 
It's not all rainbows & ponies, Sometimes it rains, just not now. Or 
last week or next week.


Anyhow, I race tomorrow and the challenge will be to not dress too warmly.

Cheers, Russ

At 09:14 PM 21/02/2015, you wrote:

Thanks, Russ.  I got that part.   Just trying to understand if CBYRA 
is following both US Safety Requirements 3.8.1 and 3.8.2.





From: Russ & Melody [mailto:russ...@telus.net]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:25 PM
To: Pete Shelquist; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

Hi Pete,

Here's the original message:

All,
Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a 
handheld VHF with DSC this season.
Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from 
the GPSStore for $125.00

Any reason I should not buy this unit?
35/3

Joel

so far the HX851 @ $125 looks like a deal

Try to keep up eh. :)

Cheers, Russ

At 06:06 PM 21/02/2015, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="=_NextPart_000_004E_01D04E11.DA72C6B0"
Content-Language: en-us

Help me understand the original requirement;  Is it to have DSC on 
the vessel and it can be either a fixed or handheld radio? Or is it 
handheld only?




From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
Bill Bina via CnC-List

Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 5:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

The HX851 has GPS and it floats.

< 
http://www.standardhorizon.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=85&ProdID=1558&DivisionID=3  
>


Bill Bina

On 2/21/2015 5:57 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
Personally, I'd pop extra $$ for the new HX870.  It floats and has 
built in GPS.  If I'm in the water, I'd want the thing broadcasting 
my location.

Dennis C.

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

All,

Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a 
handheld VHF with DSC this season.


Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from 
theGPSStore for $125.00


Any reason I should not buy this unit?

35/3
The Office
Annapolis
Joel
301 541 8551

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