Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole for 33 MK II
I recently bought a whisker pole on Craigslist and saw a number of spinnaker poles at the same time. If you use SearchTempest you can search the whole country at once. I have found that there seem to be spikes in availability of poles. At some times you find none and then other times lots. I would be patient and keep searching. Dave On Mar 6, 2015, at 3:59 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Tom — I’ve got a fixed spin pole for my LF38 that I will never use; but it’s going to be a bit long for your boat. Maybe you could cut down the tubing and reattach the end fittings? I’d let it go at a reasonable price, as I’d like funds for a whisker pole instead. And it would definitely be close by for you… :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Mar 6, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Tom Lynch via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I acquired a 1985 CC 33 MKII mid last summer. I need to replace the spinnaker pole. Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can find a used spinnaker pole or a good price on a new one? I've checked ebay and found a few items but not much. Thanks Tom Escape (to be renamed) 1985 CC 33 II Bayfield WI. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com Dr. David Knecht Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology Core Microscopy Facility Director University of Connecticut 91 N. Eagleville Rd. Storrs, CT 06269 860-486-2200 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List spinnaker pole, trending to whisker pole
I have a spinnaker pole onboard as well as a Forespar adjustable whisker pole, both stored on deck. Could I not just use the whisker pole at the allowable (14') length for a spinnaker pole and get rid of the spin pole altogether? For PhRf racing. Barbara Hickson Fellers ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Traveler Blocks on 38-3
I replaced with new Garhauer traveler (track, car, etc.). The new track is higher profile and does not need the channel, went with Guido's recommendation. More than 10 years trouble free. The track is longer than before. I used heavier bolts and washers. Leslie Phoenix CC32 1983 On Thu, 3/5/15, Douglas Mountjoy via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Subject: Re: Stus-List Traveler Blocks on 38-3 To: Mike Flannery mikeflannery...@yahoo.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2015, 10:24 AM On Pegasus I just installed a new Garhauer traveler. I used the original bridge but added a 1 square tube to space it above the channel the original was in. Guido drilled the new track to fit my bridge (holes in different places, all screws busted off). Doug sv Pegasus LF38 hull #4 On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Mike Flannery via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Has anyone replaced the traveler system or found alternate blocks. So cramped in there? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List spinnaker pole, trending to whisker pole
I'm not sure I would advise it unless you put restrictions on its use. Like your boat, Touche' has a spin pole and an adjustable whisker pole. If the two poles are like the ones on Touche', they are of different strengths. The whisker pole may not be able to handle being used in a strong breeze while reaching. As the pole goes forward, tremendous compression forces build up trying to force the pole into the mast. Whisker poles are not designed for those loads. If I was wanting to dump one of the two, I'd dump the whisker pole. Just my 2 cents. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:07 PM, Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have a spinnaker pole onboard as well as a Forespar adjustable whisker pole, both stored on deck. Could I not just use the whisker pole at the allowable (14') length for a spinnaker pole and get rid of the spin pole altogether? For PhRf racing. *Barbara Hickson Fellers* -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List spinnaker pole, trending to whisker pole
Barbara You have already received very sound advice from other listers .my advice is the same if you are intent on removing one pole from your boat, and you intend on flying your spinnaker, keep the spin pole. And you are racing, so keep the strongest pole. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-03-06 10:07 PM, Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List wrote: I have a spinnaker pole onboard as well as a Forespar adjustable whisker pole, both stored on deck. Could I not just use the whisker pole at the allowable (14') length for a spinnaker pole and get rid of the spin pole altogether? For PhRf racing. /Barbara Hickson Fellers / ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove
I think it differs from insurance company to insurance company. My current company, Progressive, does not ask about stoves and in fact does not require surveys. However, it likes you to have a stake in the game with high deductibles and relatively low upper limits. (It used to be 15-20K. I don’t know what it is now.) If you try for a low deductible, the rate goes way up. Years ago, When I had BoatUS, I don’t remember being asked about the stove. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 5:32 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove I have no idea if my insurance company has a clue what kind of stove I have. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 5:07 PM To: jtsails; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Yes, really. This is no special secret that only I know about. Perhaps your premium is higher than it would have been otherwise, or whomever processed your application hadn't gotten the memo. You represent a pretty small sample group. :-) Bill Bina On 3/6/2015 4:52 PM, jtsails wrote: Really Bill? I had no trouble getting insurance on my boat. And I not only have a pressurized alcohol stove, but an Atomic four as well! James CC 38 Mk2 Oriental, NC From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:55 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove You would have also discovered that many insurance companies will not insure a boat with a pressurized alcohol stove. They go strictly by the numbers, and those stoves have a very bad track record for claims. It is one of the hot items they look for in the insurance survey. The other issue with alcohol is that the flames it makes are virtually invisible, which can also lead to unintended consequences. Bill Bina ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove
Alcohol stove fires can easily be extinguished with water Surely a plus. -Original Message- From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: 2015-03-06 11:55 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove You would have also discovered that many insurance companies will not insure a boat with a pressurized alcohol stove. They go strictly by the numbers, and those stoves have a very bad track record for claims. It is one of the hot items they look for in the insurance survey. The other issue with alcohol is that the flames it makes are virtually invisible, which can also lead to unintended consequences. Bill Bina On 3/5/2015 10:14 PM, John McKay via CnC-List wrote: An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stability Factor
I was so surprised by these numbers I had to understand it better. Below is the best definition I could find on the IMS “stability index” but I’m curious how it is calculated. I’ve attached a link to the designer’s righting moment curve for the 121 (deep keel). It would suggest a much more stable boat than the IMS index. Any thoughts? http://svpaws.net/Site/Resources_files/Right.pdf John Another single-value stability rating still frequently encountered is the IMS stability index number. This was developed under the IMS rating system to compare stability characteristics of race boats of various sizes. The formula essentially restates a boat's AVS so as to account for its overall size, awarding higher values to longer boats, which are inherently more stable. IMS index numbers normally range from a little below 100 to over 140. For what are termed Category 0 races, which are transoceanic events, 120 is usually the required minimum. In Category 1 events, which are long-distances races sailed well offshore, 115 is the common minimum standard, and for Category 2 events, races of extended duration not far from shore, 110 is normally the minimum standard. Conservative designers and pundits often posit 120 as the acceptable minimum for an offshore cruising boat. Since many popular cruising boats were never measured or rated under the IMS rule, you shouldn't be surprised if you cannot find an IMS-based stability curve or stability index number for a cruising boat you are interested in. You may find one if the boat in question is a cruiser-racer, as IMS was once a prevalent rating system. Bear in mind, though, that the IMS index number does not take into account cabin structures (or cockpits, for that matter), and assumes a flush deck from gunwale to gunwale. Neither does it account for downflooding. On Mar 5, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Amazing - great information! It is interesting that you could enter one of our older boats in this race, but not a CC 110. From the 2014 scratch sheet: 110108/109 115112-116 121110 33 118 33-2 123 34 117 35/1 114 35/2 121 35/3 117-122 37 120 Tim ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stability Factor
John, I read the ORR definitions of the stability index; it was the limit of positive stability plus (or minus) two other factors, so 125 degrees for the 121 and an adjustment. I'll see if I can dig out those adjustments later - related to beam, displacement and lwl I think. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Mar 6, 2015, at 5:40 PM, John Pennie j...@svpaws.net wrote: I was so surprised by these numbers I had to understand it better. Below is the best definition I could find on the IMS “stability index” but I’m curious how it is calculated. I’ve attached a link to the designer’s righting moment curve for the 121 (deep keel). It would suggest a much more stable boat than the IMS index. Any thoughts? http://svpaws.net/Site/Resources_files/Right.pdf John Another single-value stability rating still frequently encountered is the IMS stability index number. This was developed under the IMS rating system to compare stability characteristics of race boats of various sizes. The formula essentially restates a boat's AVS so as to account for its overall size, awarding higher values to longer boats, which are inherently more stable. IMS index numbers normally range from a little below 100 to over 140. For what are termed Category 0 races, which are transoceanic events, 120 is usually the required minimum. In Category 1 events, which are long-distances races sailed well offshore, 115 is the common minimum standard, and for Category 2 events, races of extended duration not far from shore, 110 is normally the minimum standard. Conservative designers and pundits often posit 120 as the acceptable minimum for an offshore cruising boat. Since many popular cruising boats were never measured or rated under the IMS rule, you shouldn't be surprised if you cannot find an IMS-based stability curve or stability index number for a cruising boat you are interested in. You may find one if the boat in question is a cruiser-racer, as IMS was once a prevalent rating system. Bear in mind, though, that the IMS index number does not take into account cabin structures (or cockpits, for that matter), and assumes a flush deck from gunwale to gunwale. Neither does it account for downflooding. On Mar 5, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Amazing - great information! It is interesting that you could enter one of our older boats in this race, but not a CC 110. From the 2014 scratch sheet: 110108/109 115112-116 121110 33 118 33-2 123 34 117 35/1 114 35/2 121 35/3 117-122 37 120 Tim ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove
They don't ask you what kind of stove you have. It is something they discern from the insurance survey. I started out by carefully saying that MANY insurance companies have a problem with pressurized alcohol stoves. That is a well known fact. I did not say all insurance companies refuse policies or raise premiums. Many do, but like anything, some don't. Pressurized alcohol stoves are recognized in insuranace circles as a high risk device that has resulted in a lot of claims. Insurance companies don't have emotions or unfounded opinions. All they care about is the numbers. Bill Bina On 3/6/2015 5:49 PM, Jack Brennan via CnC-List wrote: I think it differs from insurance company to insurance company. My current company, Progressive, does not ask about stoves and in fact does not require surveys. However, it likes you to have a stake in the game with high deductibles and relatively low upper limits. (It used to be 15-20K. I don’t know what it is now.) If you try for a low deductible, the rate goes way up. Years ago, When I had BoatUS, I don’t remember being asked about the stove. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List spinnaker pole, trending to whisker pole
Barbara, The two are really quite different, in that the spinnaker pole is made to withstand very high compressive loads, especially when beam or close reaching. Under those situations, an extendable whisker pole would not be able to take the load. The whisker pole when holding the clew of the genoa outboard, sees a much lower compressive load. You could use just the spinnaker pole as a whisker pole on the genny, which some people do, but it's really not long enough. I went the other route a year ago as I don't fly a spinnaker; I had been using a 14' spinnaker pole with a No. 2 jib, and it never flew well at all, sometimes I had to furl a bit of the jib to keep it full. With a 22' whisker pole, it fills very well. Neil Weatherly, 35-1 Glen Cove, NY On 3/6/2015 9:07 PM, Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List wrote: I have a spinnaker pole onboard as well as a Forespar adjustable whisker pole, both stored on deck. Could I not just use the whisker pole at the allowable (14') length for a spinnaker pole and get rid of the spin pole altogether? For PhRf racing. /Barbara Hickson Fellers / ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List registration in Canada
Now we're getting to the root of the problem, I don't have any info from the original purchaser, and the builder has gone bankrupt, what do I present to the govt. to prove whatever it is they are looking for? And what do these poor folks do in Florida when they land in a licensed boat (not registered) and don't have the paperwork to provide to register the boat in their home port in Canada? Thus far I haven't got the answer I need from transport Canada either, will be in contact again Monday Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, from my iPad! ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove
Same thing here. And I do have an alcohol stove. Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: March-06-15 17:32 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove I have no idea if my insurance company has a clue what kind of stove I have. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 5:07 PM To: jtsails; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Yes, really. This is no special secret that only I know about. Perhaps your premium is higher than it would have been otherwise, or whomever processed your application hadn't gotten the memo. You represent a pretty small sample group. :-) Bill Bina On 3/6/2015 4:52 PM, jtsails wrote: Really Bill? I had no trouble getting insurance on my boat. And I not only have a pressurized alcohol stove, but an Atomic four as well! James CC 38 Mk2 Oriental, NC From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:55 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove You would have also discovered that many insurance companies will not insure a boat with a pressurized alcohol stove. They go strictly by the numbers, and those stoves have a very bad track record for claims. It is one of the hot items they look for in the insurance survey. The other issue with alcohol is that the flames it makes are virtually invisible, which can also lead to unintended consequences. Bill Bina ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Electronics update
Hi John, 1- My transducer is in front of the keel. I think this is most manufacturer recommendation. If yours is working fine, leave it there. 2- I am using marinebeam.com product for the LEDs. I have a BA9S for AquaSignal deck streaming LED light (sku BA-9S-5W), a BA9S 15 LEDs (sku BA-9S-15-CW) for Anchor light and a 44mm festoon (sku FS-44-30B-CW) for the mid mast AquaSignal navigation light. 3- I leave that to others. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 De : John Bousfield via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Envoyé le : vendredi 6 mars 2015 8h12 Objet : Stus-List Electronics update Hi All,Great info being passed around. We are upgrading our instruments and have a few questions. 1. Our depth transducer is located +/_ 2 feet on center line behind the keel. Is this the normal location? 2. Has any on change the spreader and mast head lights to LEDs, and what brand would you suggest using. 3. Is anyone using a backstay radar mount. I think this is the best option. Currently it is on a pole with two ugly braces that interfere with the swim ladder. For those using the backstay mount any issues? ThanksJohn Marjolein1979 CC 36Dutch Girl Oh forgot anyone know the PHRF rating to the 36? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Diagram for deck arrangement on CC 32?
I think you've gotten some good advice from the list so far. I second the opinion(s) that the original layout may not be optimum. I sailed and raced on many boats for several years before I purchased my 35-1. From that experience, I had a decent idea of how I wanted to reconfigure the running rigging on Touche'. It does depend on what kind of sailing you do. For instance, if you do a lot of windward/leeward racing with port mark roundings, then you want to cross your port spinnaker or wing halyard in the mast so it exits the starboard side of the mast. Your port jib halyard should also exit on the starboard side. Given that, it is nice if the main halyard and pole topping lift exits on the port side. What works for the way we sail Touche' may not work for you. Take some time, give some thought and, if possible, sail/race on other boats or walk the piers and look at other boats. Eventually it will make sense. It is also not permanent, you can revise it if you want. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Hans-Erik Andersen via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I'm a proud new owner of a CC 32 and a novice sailor. I'm trying to get a better handle on the fairly complex layout of the deck tackle on this boat. Is there any resource (i.e. diagram) available that would explain the arrangement of blocks, winches, etc. for this boat? I would have thought that this might be included in the owners manual but it's not. Thanks for the help! Sent from my iPad ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Electronics update
You want the transducer somewhere where it will not be affected by turbulence. Most depth and speed transducers are ahead of the keel and as close to the centerline as practical, for that reason. Bill Bina On 3/6/2015 8:12 AM, John Bousfield via CnC-List wrote: Hi All, Great info being passed around. We are upgrading our instruments and have a few questions. 1. Our depth transducer is located +/_ 2 feet on center line behind the keel. Is this the normal location? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Electronics update
Ranges a bit by area but somewhere around 132 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Bousfield via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Electronics update Hi All, Great info being passed around. We are upgrading our instruments and have a few questions. 1. Our depth transducer is located +/_ 2 feet on center line behind the keel. Is this the normal location? 2. Has any on change the spreader and mast head lights to LEDs, and what brand would you suggest using. 3. Is anyone using a backstay radar mount. I think this is the best option. Currently it is on a pole with two ugly braces that interfere with the swim ladder. For those using the backstay mount any issues? Thanks John Marjolein 1979 CC 36 Dutch Girl Oh forgot anyone know the PHRF rating to the 36? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Electronics update
I use the Questus backstay mount with no problems. It is pricey, though. The PHRF varies depending on your location. Most local PHRF organizations have a web site that you can look for the PHRF of similar boats. Gary S/V Expresso CC 35 Mk II East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, John Bousfield via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi All, Great info being passed around. We are upgrading our instruments and have a few questions. 1. Our depth transducer is located +/_ 2 feet on center line behind the keel. Is this the normal location? 2. Has any on change the spreader and mast head lights to LEDs, and what brand would you suggest using. 3. Is anyone using a backstay radar mount. I think this is the best option. Currently it is on a pole with two ugly braces that interfere with the swim ladder. For those using the backstay mount any issues? Thanks John Marjolein 1979 CC 36 Dutch Girl Oh forgot anyone know the PHRF rating to the 36? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Electronics update
Ours, as I though most were, is head of the keel. We went from a pole to a Questus. Much cleaner look and works great. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 08:12:51 -0500 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Electronics update From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Hi All,Great info being passed around. We are upgrading our instruments and have a few questions. 1. Our depth transducer is located +/_ 2 feet on center line behind the keel. Is this the normal location? 2. Has any on change the spreader and mast head lights to LEDs, and what brand would you suggest using. 3. Is anyone using a backstay radar mount. I think this is the best option. Currently it is on a pole with two ugly braces that interfere with the swim ladder. For those using the backstay mount any issues? ThanksJohn Marjolein1979 CC 36Dutch Girl Oh forgot anyone know the PHRF rating to the 36? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Electronics update
Hi All, Great info being passed around. We are upgrading our instruments and have a few questions. 1. Our depth transducer is located +/_ 2 feet on center line behind the keel. Is this the normal location? 2. Has any on change the spreader and mast head lights to LEDs, and what brand would you suggest using. 3. Is anyone using a backstay radar mount. I think this is the best option. Currently it is on a pole with two ugly braces that interfere with the swim ladder. For those using the backstay mount any issues? Thanks John Marjolein 1979 CC 36 Dutch Girl Oh forgot anyone know the PHRF rating to the 36? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove
I had CNG on my previous boat. I liked it because of the safety factor. It was easier, then, to get refills. Not so easy now. If you have easy access to refills, it's less work to convert from alcohol to CNG, than to propane, as the CNG canister can be stowed below. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty - Original Message - CNG is what we have. Lighter than air. Pretty hard to find places to refill canister though From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:43 AM To: CC Photoalbum email list Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Remember that propane is heavier than air. If you install a propane stove, the propane must be in a compartment that vents (at the bottom) to the outside, or mount the propane tank outside the cabin. FYI - I just bought a Worthington aluminum 10 lb tank from Amazon for $130 US. Ordered on Friday; delivered by US Postal Service on Sunday. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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There is a national database of PHRF ratings, giving the highest, lowest, and average for each boat. I don't think it has 'stock' boats only, meaning the range could include modifications or rating adjustments. Look at USSailing and then PHRF, and you should find it. Gary St. Michaels, MD Under only about 8 inches of snow. - Original Message - From: Gary Russell via CnC-List To: John Bousfield ; CC List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Electronics update I use the Questus backstay mount with no problems. It is pricey, though. The PHRF varies depending on your location. Most local PHRF organizations have a web site that you can look for the PHRF of similar boats. Gary S/V Expresso CC 35 Mk II East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, John Bousfield via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi All, Great info being passed around. We are upgrading our instruments and have a few questions. 1. Our depth transducer is located +/_ 2 feet on center line behind the keel. Is this the normal location? 2. Has any on change the spreader and mast head lights to LEDs, and what brand would you suggest using. 3. Is anyone using a backstay radar mount. I think this is the best option. Currently it is on a pole with two ugly braces that interfere with the swim ladder. For those using the backstay mount any issues? Thanks John Marjolein 1979 CC 36 Dutch Girl Oh forgot anyone know the PHRF rating to the 36? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Here is a link to the database: http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2013%20PHRF%20Handicaps.pdf Joel On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: These numbers are by region and are for a boat in typical racing condition. For a cc it would mead 150% genoa, 180% spin, folding prop. The numbers listed are before adjustments are applied and are referred to as Base Boat ratings. The range is because every area does not have the same rating for the same model hence the average of the areas, the lowest area and the highest area. The CC 36 in most areas is 132 but has a number of areas that rate it faster and some hat rate it slower. This is a great tool though. Mike *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary Nylander via CnC-List *Sent:* Friday, March 06, 2015 12:37 PM *To:* Gary Russell; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Electronics update There is a national database of PHRF ratings, giving the highest, lowest, and average for each boat. I don't think it has 'stock' boats only, meaning the range could include modifications or rating adjustments. Look at USSailing and then PHRF, and you should find it. Gary St. Michaels, MD Under only about 8 inches of snow. - Original Message - *From:* Gary Russell via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To:* John Bousfield bousfield@gmail.com ; CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Friday, March 06, 2015 8:19 AM *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Electronics update I use the Questus backstay mount with no problems. It is pricey, though. The PHRF varies depending on your location. Most local PHRF organizations have a web site that you can look for the PHRF of similar boats. Gary S/V Expresso CC 35 Mk II East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, John Bousfield via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi All, Great info being passed around. We are upgrading our instruments and have a few questions. 1. Our depth transducer is located +/_ 2 feet on center line behind the keel. Is this the normal location? 2. Has any on change the spreader and mast head lights to LEDs, and what brand would you suggest using. 3. Is anyone using a backstay radar mount. I think this is the best option. Currently it is on a pole with two ugly braces that interfere with the swim ladder. For those using the backstay mount any issues? Thanks John Marjolein 1979 CC 36 Dutch Girl Oh forgot anyone know the PHRF rating to the 36? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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You would have also discovered that many insurance companies will not insure a boat with a pressurized alcohol stove. They go strictly by the numbers, and those stoves have a very bad track record for claims. It is one of the hot items they look for in the insurance survey. The other issue with alcohol is that the flames it makes are virtually invisible, which can also lead to unintended consequences. Bill Bina On 3/5/2015 10:14 PM, John McKay via CnC-List wrote: An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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CNG is what we have. Lighter than air. Pretty hard to find places to refill canister though From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:43 AM To: CC Photoalbum email list Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Remember that propane is heavier than air. If you install a propane stove, the propane must be in a compartment that vents (at the bottom) to the outside, or mount the propane tank outside the cabin. FYI - I just bought a Worthington aluminum 10 lb tank from Amazon for $130 US. Ordered on Friday; delivered by US Postal Service on Sunday. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Remember that propane is heavier than air. If you install a propane stove, the propane must be in a compartment that vents (at the bottom) to the outside, or mount the propane tank outside the cabin. FYI - I just bought a Worthington aluminum 10 lb tank from Amazon for $130 US. Ordered on Friday; delivered by US Postal Service on Sunday. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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These numbers are by region and are for a boat in typical racing condition. For a cc it would mead 150% genoa, 180% spin, folding prop. The numbers listed are before adjustments are applied and are referred to as Base Boat ratings. The range is because every area does not have the same rating for the same model hence the average of the areas, the lowest area and the highest area. The CC 36 in most areas is 132 but has a number of areas that rate it faster and some hat rate it slower. This is a great tool though. Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 12:37 PM To: Gary Russell; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Electronics update There is a national database of PHRF ratings, giving the highest, lowest, and average for each boat. I don't think it has 'stock' boats only, meaning the range could include modifications or rating adjustments. Look at USSailing and then PHRF, and you should find it. Gary St. Michaels, MD Under only about 8 inches of snow. - Original Message - From: Gary Russell via CnC-Listmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: John Bousfieldmailto:bousfield@gmail.com ; CC Listmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Electronics update I use the Questus backstay mount with no problems. It is pricey, though. The PHRF varies depending on your location. Most local PHRF organizations have a web site that you can look for the PHRF of similar boats. Gary S/V Expresso CC 35 Mk II East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, John Bousfield via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi All, Great info being passed around. We are upgrading our instruments and have a few questions. 1. Our depth transducer is located +/_ 2 feet on center line behind the keel. Is this the normal location? 2. Has any on change the spreader and mast head lights to LEDs, and what brand would you suggest using. 3. Is anyone using a backstay radar mount. I think this is the best option. Currently it is on a pole with two ugly braces that interfere with the swim ladder. For those using the backstay mount any issues? Thanks John Marjolein 1979 CC 36 Dutch Girl Oh forgot anyone know the PHRF rating to the 36? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Hi John, I've grown to love (or at least respect) my Hillerange pressure OH stove. The key is to heat the delivery pipe that runs over the top of the burner without setting the boat ablaze. My usual procedure is to open the valve, look for liquid (small amount) in the pan below the burner then close it off. Ignite, then watch as the flames start licking the cabin liner. The breakthrough for me (many years ago) was the realization that a pot of water on the burner cools and contains the flame and makes everything manageable until the flame has just about died out. When it does, open the valve again, the preheat pipe vaporizes the alcohol and a beautiful controllable blue flame takes over. Works great for me and I'll keep mine until I want to mess with propane, solenoids, gas detectors and the like. Added bonus: Ethylalcohol works great for removing butyl. David On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:14 PM, John McKay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I have a little Electrolux single burner non pressurized alcohol stove and it perks my coffee as fast as my propane stove on the old boat. It is a large percolator (12 cup). I tested it on the bench before I put it back in the boat because it is important to me, too. I was very pleasantly surprised. External propane grill is a must for actually cooking a meal. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jack Brennan via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:15 AM To: Alan Bergen; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove I have a two-burner Origo non-pressurized alcohol stove. Perfectly safe, works well for cooking, but you have to buy a French press if you like coffee in the morning because there aren’t enough BTUs to percolate coffee fast enough, at least for me. I use denatured alcohol from Home Depot at a fraction of the cost of “boat fuel.” Despite the claims of the boat fuel sellers, the generic stuff works perfectly fine. If you go this way, it helps to have a propane BBQ on the stern rail for the occasional meal when you really want that hot flame. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. From: Alan Bergen via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:02 AM Cc: C mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com C Photoalbum email list Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove I had CNG on my previous boat. I liked it because of the safety factor. It was easier, then, to get refills. Not so easy now. If you have easy access to refills, it's less work to convert from alcohol to CNG, than to propane, as the CNG canister can be stowed below. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty _ CNG is what we have. Lighter than air. Pretty hard to find places to refill canister though From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:43 AM To: CC Photoalbum email list Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Remember that propane is heavier than air. If you install a propane stove, the propane must be in a compartment that vents (at the bottom) to the outside, or mount the propane tank outside the cabin. FYI - I just bought a Worthington aluminum 10 lb tank from Amazon for $130 US. Ordered on Friday; delivered by US Postal Service on Sunday. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise _ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _ http://www.avast.com/ Image removed by sender. This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com http://www.avast.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I have CNG. We have a number of places to get tanks around Annapolis. I also found a device on FleaBay to hook up a tank to a car CNG refill nozzle. IIRC,, a stove tank holds about $3 worth of gas. Might try it. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:02 AM Cc: CC Photoalbum email list Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove I had CNG on my previous boat. I liked it because of the safety factor. It was easier, then, to get refills. Not so easy now. If you have easy access to refills, it's less work to convert from alcohol to CNG, than to propane, as the CNG canister can be stowed below. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty CNG is what we have. Lighter than air. Pretty hard to find places to refill canister though From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:43 AM To: CC Photoalbum email list Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Remember that propane is heavier than air. If you install a propane stove, the propane must be in a compartment that vents (at the bottom) to the outside, or mount the propane tank outside the cabin. FYI - I just bought a Worthington aluminum 10 lb tank from Amazon for $130 US. Ordered on Friday; delivered by US Postal Service on Sunday. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Doesn't the government want the Builder's Certificate filled out by the builder for the first buyer? Can you just fill this out and hand it over even though you are the fourth or so owner? I have the builder's file from South Shore, which contains details about the boat, but has no reference to first title, just the first dealer's name. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 5 March 2015 at 22:29, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Brad The builder's certificate can be found here as a PDF: http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Corp-Serv-Gen/5/Forms-Formulaires/searchrs.aspx?formnumber=84-0040 This is the info site for registering: http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/marinesafety/oep-vesselreg-registration-menu-2311.htm#firsttime This is the home site: http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/marinesafety/oep-vesselreg-registration-menu-2311.htm#registering Good luck. It's been so long since I've gone through the builder's path of registry that my knowledge is out of date. Cheers, Russ *Sweet *35 mk-1 At 04:30 PM 05/03/2015, you wrote: I'm sure that some of my fellow Canadians have actually registered (not licensed) their boats with the Feds. I'd appreciate some more of your generous help. What exactly are they looking for when they ask for the builders certificate? I don't see anything like that in the documentation I have. Background, 1985 CC 33 purchased in USA this winter. To the best of my knowledge it was sold new in the US. I bought from who is likely the second owner, so it is a new registration. The other question I have is concerning the tonnage, is the simplified tonnage method acceptable? Should my boat be 6.85 tons? Thank you Brad Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, from my iPad!rt ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I ripped out a pressurized alcohol stove and replaced it with an Origo on my last boat. I would 2nd Alan’s assessment below. They are great because they are self-contained, no need for tanks, lines, etc, and almost no risk of fire. In my case, I made some wooden spacers and was able to bolt it into an existing gimbal mount. The downside is the lower heat compared to propane, or I assume CNG. It takes a long time to boil water and things like that. Firewater came with a complete propane setup that works great. That would be the obvious choice if the lines are already run, but given the locker requirements it’s not a small job on most boats. Jim Reinardy CC 30-2 “Firewater” Milwaukee, WI Sent from Windows Mail From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 10:14 AM To: Alan Bergen, cnc-list@cnc-list.com I have a two-burner Origo non-pressurized alcohol stove. Perfectly safe, works well for cooking, but you have to buy a French press if you like coffee in the morning because there aren’t enough BTUs to percolate coffee fast enough, at least for me. I use denatured alcohol from Home Depot at a fraction of the cost of “boat fuel.” Despite the claims of the boat fuel sellers, the generic stuff works perfectly fine. If you go this way, it helps to have a propane BBQ on the stern rail for the occasional meal when you really want that hot flame. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. From: Alan Bergen via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:02 AM Cc: CC Photoalbum email list Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove I had CNG on my previous boat. I liked it because of the safety factor. It was easier, then, to get refills. Not so easy now. If you have easy access to refills, it's less work to convert from alcohol to CNG, than to propane, as the CNG canister can be stowed below. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty CNG is what we have. Lighter than air. Pretty hard to find places to refill canister though From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:43 AM To: CC Photoalbum email list Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Remember that propane is heavier than air. If you install a propane stove, the propane must be in a compartment that vents (at the bottom) to the outside, or mount the propane tank outside the cabin. FYI - I just bought a Worthington aluminum 10 lb tank from Amazon for $130 US. Ordered on Friday; delivered by US Postal Service on Sunday. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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The other downside to using alcohol as a fuel is that it releases an amazing amount of moisture in the air as it burns. In the confines of a boat cabin, this is quite noticeable. Bill Bina On 3/6/2015 12:19 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List wrote: I ripped out a pressurized alcohol stove and replaced it with an Origo on my last boat. I would 2nd Alan’s assessment below. They are great because they are self-contained, no need for tanks, lines, etc, and almost no risk of fire. In my case, I made some wooden spacers and was able to bolt it into an existing gimbal mount. The downside is the lower heat compared to propane, or I assume CNG. It takes a long time to boil water and things like that. Firewater came with a complete propane setup that works great. That would be the obvious choice if the lines are already run, but given the locker requirements it’s not a small job on most boats. Jim Reinardy CC 30-2 “Firewater” Milwaukee, WI Sent from Windows Mail *From:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2015 10:14 AM *To:* Alan Bergen mailto:alan-at-h...@comcast.net, cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com I have a two-burner Origo non-pressurized alcohol stove. Perfectly safe, works well for cooking, but you have to buy a French press if you like coffee in the morning because there aren’t enough BTUs to percolate coffee fast enough, at least for me. I use denatured alcohol from Home Depot at a fraction of the cost of “boat fuel.” Despite the claims of the boat fuel sellers, the generic stuff works perfectly fine. If you go this way, it helps to have a propane BBQ on the stern rail for the occasional meal when you really want that hot flame. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. *From:* Alan Bergen via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Friday, March 06, 2015 11:02 AM *Cc:* CC Photoalbum email list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Stove I had CNG on my previous boat. I liked it because of the safety factor. It was easier, then, to get refills. Not so easy now. If you have easy access to refills, it's less work to convert from alcohol to CNG, than to propane, as the CNG canister can be stowed below. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty CNG is what we have. Lighter than air. Pretty hard to find places to refill canister though *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Alan Bergen via CnC-List *Sent:* Friday, March 06, 2015 11:43 AM *To:* CC Photoalbum email list *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Stove Remember that propane is heavier than air. If you install a propane stove, the propane must be in a compartment that vents (at the bottom) to the outside, or mount the propane tank outside the cabin. FYI - I just bought a Worthington aluminum 10 lb tank from Amazon for $130 US. Ordered on Friday; delivered by US Postal Service on Sunday. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://www.avast.com/ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com http://www.avast.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove
I have a two-burner Origo non-pressurized alcohol stove. Perfectly safe, works well for cooking, but you have to buy a French press if you like coffee in the morning because there aren’t enough BTUs to percolate coffee fast enough, at least for me. I use denatured alcohol from Home Depot at a fraction of the cost of “boat fuel.” Despite the claims of the boat fuel sellers, the generic stuff works perfectly fine. If you go this way, it helps to have a propane BBQ on the stern rail for the occasional meal when you really want that hot flame. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. From: Alan Bergen via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:02 AM Cc: CC Photoalbum email list Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove I had CNG on my previous boat. I liked it because of the safety factor. It was easier, then, to get refills. Not so easy now. If you have easy access to refills, it's less work to convert from alcohol to CNG, than to propane, as the CNG canister can be stowed below. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty CNG is what we have. Lighter than air. Pretty hard to find places to refill canister though From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:43 AM To: CC Photoalbum email list Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Remember that propane is heavier than air. If you install a propane stove, the propane must be in a compartment that vents (at the bottom) to the outside, or mount the propane tank outside the cabin. FYI - I just bought a Worthington aluminum 10 lb tank from Amazon for $130 US. Ordered on Friday; delivered by US Postal Service on Sunday. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Raymarine EV-100 CC 38
Joe — what instrument have you got for wind? Have you got speed depth instruments that have outputs for NMEA0183? Still need more info (manufacturer and model numbers would be helpful) to be able to ascertain how (or if) you’ll be able to interconnect your gear. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Mar 5, 2015, at 10:10 PM, Joseph Scott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Thanks Graham. Boat currently has a Garmin GPS and wind speed/gps speed but no plotter or moving map. Would the raymarine work with those? Thanks Joe ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Registration in Canada
I has to be done by the builder as far as I can tell. The form was included in the front of the CC manual that came with my boat, and included the original purchaser's name, as well as signatures by CC staff. I have been considering purchasing a boat in the U.S. for some time and have been told a lot of different answers about what you are supposed to do if the original documentation is not present. You are supposed to have title papers for entry into Bahamas for that matter. Near as I can tell, they will accept a purchase receipt in at least some circunstances, as will the U.S. government for their state licensing. The numbered licences that Transport Canada issues state very clearly that they do not constitute a title or proof of ownership. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Jim Watts via CnC-List To: Russ Melody ; 1 CnC List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 12:16 Subject: Re: Stus-List Registration in Canada Doesn't the government want the Builder's Certificate filled out by the builder for the first buyer? Can you just fill this out and hand it over even though you are the fourth or so owner? I have the builder's file from South Shore, which contains details about the boat, but has no reference to first title, just the first dealer's name. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 5 March 2015 at 22:29, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Brad The builder's certificate can be found here as a PDF: http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Corp-Serv-Gen/5/Forms-Formulaires/searchrs.aspx?formnumber=84-0040 This is the info site for registering: http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/marinesafety/oep-vesselreg-registration-menu-2311.htm#firsttime This is the home site: http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/marinesafety/oep-vesselreg-registration-menu-2311.htm#registering Good luck. It's been so long since I've gone through the builder's path of registry that my knowledge is out of date. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 04:30 PM 05/03/2015, you wrote: I'm sure that some of my fellow Canadians have actually registered (not licensed) their boats with the Feds. I'd appreciate some more of your generous help. What exactly are they looking for when they ask for the builders certificate? I don't see anything like that in the documentation I have. Background, 1985 CC 33 purchased in USA this winter. To the best of my knowledge it was sold new in the US. I bought from who is likely the second owner, so it is a new registration. The other question I have is concerning the tonnage, is the simplified tonnage method acceptable? Should my boat be 6.85 tons? Thank you Brad Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, from my iPad!rt ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove
The Admiral and I like our pressure alcohol stove/oven, also. Have gotten parts from AH Enterprises, www.packstoves.net. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:40 AM, David Paine via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi John, I've grown to love (or at least respect) my Hillerange pressure OH stove. The key is to heat the delivery pipe that runs over the top of the burner without setting the boat ablaze. My usual procedure is to open the valve, look for liquid (small amount) in the pan below the burner then close it off. Ignite, then watch as the flames start licking the cabin liner. The breakthrough for me (many years ago) was the realization that a pot of water on the burner cools and contains the flame and makes everything manageable until the flame has just about died out. When it does, open the valve again, the preheat pipe vaporizes the alcohol and a beautiful controllable blue flame takes over. Works great for me and I'll keep mine until I want to mess with propane, solenoids, gas detectors and the like. Added bonus: Ethylalcohol works great for removing butyl. David On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:14 PM, John McKay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I really do not like pressure alcohol one bit. Strike 1: I am not prone to seasickness, but making a pancake breakfast in heavy seas with the cabin closed up made me sick as a dog from alcohol fumes. Strike 2: The fuel lines started leaking and caused a fire during a race that was a fair PITA to put out. Strike 3: A boat behind us in the Great Ocean Race had the fuel line totally fracture and fill the entire cabin with blazing alcohol. The flames even shot out of the hatch and caught the liferaft on fire. The boat went from no problem to burning stem-to-stern with the burned crew overboard in less than 30 seconds. If it had happened a bit later in the race when they would not have been in view of anyone it would have been a multiple fatality. They were stupendously lucky to be quickly picked up by another boat in the race. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 1:53 PM To: David Paine; CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove The Admiral and I like our pressure alcohol stove/oven, also. Have gotten parts from AH Enterprises, www.packstoves.nethttp://www.packstoves.net. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:40 AM, David Paine via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi John, I've grown to love (or at least respect) my Hillerange pressure OH stove. The key is to heat the delivery pipe that runs over the top of the burner without setting the boat ablaze. My usual procedure is to open the valve, look for liquid (small amount) in the pan below the burner then close it off. Ignite, then watch as the flames start licking the cabin liner. The breakthrough for me (many years ago) was the realization that a pot of water on the burner cools and contains the flame and makes everything manageable until the flame has just about died out. When it does, open the valve again, the preheat pipe vaporizes the alcohol and a beautiful controllable blue flame takes over. Works great for me and I'll keep mine until I want to mess with propane, solenoids, gas detectors and the like. Added bonus: Ethylalcohol works great for removing butyl. David On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:14 PM, John McKay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Phrf CnC 36
Thanks Bill, We are south of you in Spring Lake and race out of the Muskegon Yacht Club, but will only race Dutch Girl occasionally. On Friday, March 6, 2015, wwadjo...@aol.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Lake Michigan (lmphrf) for my 36 is 129 distance handicap, 141 non-spinnaker. At least last year. Most phrf regions have a website where you can search by boat. Bill Walker Evening Star Pentwater Mi Sent from my HTC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Phrf CnC 36
Lake Michigan (lmphrf) for my 36 is 129 distance handicap, 141 non-spinnaker. At least last year. Most phrf regions have a website where you can search by boat. Bill Walker Evening Star Pentwater Mi Sent from my HTC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove
I replaced my pressurized alcohol stove with an Origo 6000. There is absolutely no room (at least no room I'm willing to give up) on Anchovy for a proper propane locker. I perk coffee and boil a teapot every morning with no problem. My wife bakes every night. I have a griddle pan that sits nicely across the two burners on top for breakfast goodies. What's not to love! I highly recommend non press alcohol. Rick Bushie Anchovy, 1971 30-1 Worton Creek, MD ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove
I still use a pressurized alcohol stove without problems once I learned how to use it. It was not a big jump from using a Coleman camp stove, but not exactly the same. It is the type with the local alcohol tank, so you really want to remember to check the alcohol level before leaving the dock. Alcohol is a lot safer than other liquid fuels, and if you use kerosene or diesel, you still have to use alcohol to get it started. Steve Thomas Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: rick bushie via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 15:15 Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove I replaced my pressurized alcohol stove with an Origo 6000. There is absolutely no room (at least no room I'm willing to give up) on Anchovy for a proper propane locker. I perk coffee and boil a teapot every morning with no problem. My wife bakes every night. I have a griddle pan that sits nicely across the two burners on top for breakfast goodies. What's not to love! I highly recommend non press alcohol. Rick Bushie Anchovy, 1971 30-1 Worton Creek, MD -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Spinnaker Pole for 33 MK II
I acquired a 1985 CC 33 MKII mid last summer. I need to replace the spinnaker pole. Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can find a used spinnaker pole or a good price on a new one? I've checked ebay and found a few items but not much. Thanks Tom *Escape* (to be renamed) 1985 CC 33 II Bayfield WI. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole for 33 MK II
Try the local boat yards--especially if they service sailboats. The sometimes have odd bits sitting around. As for ebay, unless it is local, the shipping will be freight which is not cheap. Eric CC 34/36 On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Tom Lynch via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I acquired a 1985 CC 33 MKII mid last summer. I need to replace the spinnaker pole. Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can find a used spinnaker pole or a good price on a new one? I've checked ebay and found a few items but not much. Thanks Tom *Escape* (to be renamed) 1985 CC 33 II Bayfield WI. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole for 33 MK II
Tom — I’ve got a fixed spin pole for my LF38 that I will never use; but it’s going to be a bit long for your boat. Maybe you could cut down the tubing and reattach the end fittings? I’d let it go at a reasonable price, as I’d like funds for a whisker pole instead. And it would definitely be close by for you… :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Mar 6, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Tom Lynch via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I acquired a 1985 CC 33 MKII mid last summer. I need to replace the spinnaker pole. Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can find a used spinnaker pole or a good price on a new one? I've checked ebay and found a few items but not much. Thanks Tom Escape (to be renamed) 1985 CC 33 II Bayfield WI. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole for 33 MK II
If it were me...and assuming you have the pole ends...you might try sourcing carbon fibre tubing.so much easier to handle than the old tech. I still lug around the old tech and lust for a CF pole David F. Risch. 1981 40 Please excuse brevity and possible typos...sent from my mobile device. div Original message /divdivFrom: Eric Baumes via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com /divdivDate:03/06/2015 3:54 PM (GMT-05:00) /divdivTo: Tom Lynch thomasmly...@gmail.com, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com /divdivSubject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole for 33 MK II /divdiv /div Try the local boat yards--especially if they service sailboats. The sometimes have odd bits sitting around. As for ebay, unless it is local, the shipping will be freight which is not cheap. Eric CC 34/36 On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Tom Lynch via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I acquired a 1985 CC 33 MKII mid last summer. I need to replace the spinnaker pole. Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can find a used spinnaker pole or a good price on a new one? I've checked ebay and found a few items but not much. Thanks Tom *Escape* (to be renamed) 1985 CC 33 II Bayfield WI. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove
Really Bill? I had no trouble getting insurance on my boat. And I not only have a pressurized alcohol stove, but an Atomic four as well! James CC 38 Mk2 Oriental, NC From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:55 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove You would have also discovered that many insurance companies will not insure a boat with a pressurized alcohol stove. They go strictly by the numbers, and those stoves have a very bad track record for claims. It is one of the hot items they look for in the insurance survey. The other issue with alcohol is that the flames it makes are virtually invisible, which can also lead to unintended consequences. Bill Bina On 3/5/2015 10:14 PM, John McKay via CnC-List wrote: An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove
Yes, really. This is no special secret that only I know about. Perhaps your premium is higher than it would have been otherwise, or whomever processed your application hadn't gotten the memo. You represent a pretty small sample group. :-) Bill Bina On 3/6/2015 4:52 PM, jtsails wrote: Really Bill? I had no trouble getting insurance on my boat. And I not only have a pressurized alcohol stove, but an Atomic four as well! James CC 38 Mk2 Oriental, NC From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:55 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove You would have also discovered that many insurance companies will not insure a boat with a pressurized alcohol stove. They go strictly by the numbers, and those stoves have a very bad track record for claims. It is one of the "hot" items they look for in the insurance survey. The other issue with alcohol is that the flames it makes are virtually invisible, which can also lead to unintended consequences. Bill Bina ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I have no idea if my insurance company has a clue what kind of stove I have. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 5:07 PM To: jtsails; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Yes, really. This is no special secret that only I know about. Perhaps your premium is higher than it would have been otherwise, or whomever processed your application hadn't gotten the memo. You represent a pretty small sample group. :-) Bill Bina On 3/6/2015 4:52 PM, jtsails wrote: Really Bill? I had no trouble getting insurance on my boat. And I not only have a pressurized alcohol stove, but an Atomic four as well! James CC 38 Mk2 Oriental, NC From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:55 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove You would have also discovered that many insurance companies will not insure a boat with a pressurized alcohol stove. They go strictly by the numbers, and those stoves have a very bad track record for claims. It is one of the hot items they look for in the insurance survey. The other issue with alcohol is that the flames it makes are virtually invisible, which can also lead to unintended consequences. Bill Bina ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
