Re: Stus-List Cruising/max speed for 1980 CC 32
30 hp vs. 18. Joe Coquina Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2015, at 1:42, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My 1980 32 is hull #59 ... I have an atomic 4 so different beast but I can cruise six plus knots at pretty low RPM. Two blade fixed, no idea as to size. Steve Suhana, CC32 Toronto On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Hans-Erik Andersen via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I've recently purchased a 1980 CC 32 with a yanmar 2GM20F 18 hp diesel. We're having some propeller/power issues, and I'm wondering if anyone here would have idea of what the approx. cruising/max speed should be for this boat and engine. I'getting 5.9 kts at full throttle (3400 rpm) and 5.3 kts knots at 2800 rpm. Is this reasonable, or cause for concern? Thanks! Sent from my iPad ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Marion Bermuda race
Per the race results on marionbermuda.com Dave was 4th in Class - 10th in Division. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Jun 23, 2015, at 23:29, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If I'm reading the race tracker correctly, it looks like Dave has a first in Class C! Richard 1985 CC ; Ohio River; mile 596 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com Sent: Wed, Jun 17, 2015 1:43 pm Subject: Stus-List Marion Bermuda race Our own David Risch is doing the race in his CC 40, Corsair. Start is in less than 2 days! Track the fleet at http://yb.tl/mb2015. Good luck David! -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Cruising/max speed for 1980 CC 32
Hans-Erik: We have the same engine.our 32 has a fixed 2 blade prop (Michigan) ...from your numbers provided, your boat is not performing the same as ours. I can 't be precise, but our boat is approx. 1 knot faster at the rpm's you mentioned (GPS speed, not Signet knot meter). What's the condition of the bottom of your boat? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-06-24 1:54 AM, Hans-Erik Andersen via CnC-List wrote: I've recently purchased a 1980 CC 32 with a yanmar 2GM20F 18 hp diesel. We're having some propeller/power issues, and I'm wondering if anyone here would have idea of what the approx. cruising/max speed should be for this boat and engine. I'getting 5.9 kts at full throttle (3400 rpm) and 5.3 kts knots at 2800 rpm. Is this reasonable, or cause for concern? Thanks! Sent from my iPad ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
Tim, Thanks. I spoke with him. He doesn’t have a M-35 and, at best, I’m looking at 4-6 weeks of rebuild time with him. He said he’s swamped, so I took that as more like 6-8 weeks. Won’t go with him. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Jun 24, 2015, at 4:52 PM, Tim Goodyear timg...@gmail.com wrote: Edd, I am currently working with Al at Schooner Bay Imported Engines (who provide most of the listing at Diesel Engine Trader). A Yanmar 3GMF30 was advertised on a 3-week lead time and I am (hopefully) going to get it shipped 6 weeks from order date. Just my experience; I'm not saying it is typical, but his reasoning is that he's rushed off his feet at present, which would not bode well for your order. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 (currently non-auxiliary sloop) Branford, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
Charlie, The Enterprise’s displacement is 18,500 and Farron at Beta thought that the 30 would be the best fit to get the boat to it’s normal 7+ knots under power with the two-blade prop. I’m having trouble reconciling the $14,000 price tag (engine, shipping, est. labor), but the idea of a new engine is attractive as well as being back on the water in a couple of weeks. For a rebuild, I think I’m looking at, at best, mid August. I’m trying to hunt down a replacement in a better price range. PS — Thanks to Lister Josh Muckley for a lead at dieselenginetrader.com http://dieselenginetrader.com/. Al doesn’t have a M-35 in stock, so I’m looking at 4-6 weeks with him. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Jun 24, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Just a thought Edd: I repowered my 13,600 lb displacement CC 36 XL/kcb (1995) with a Beta 25 after the Yanmar 30 GM? blew a head gasket at about 11 years of use (operator/system error!). It was a perfect match as well and all-in it was about $10K including install, etc. I bring it up only because your 37 is probably not much more displaement than my 36 and the Beta 25 gets mine to hull speed in any coastal weather I would care to be in! You might at least run that by the Beta guru, who I agree is excellent. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom cenel...@aol.com mailto:cenel...@aol.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 2015 Sailstice umbrella race
What a blast!! Glad some folks remember not to take sailboat racing too seriously. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Jun 24, 2015, at 15:55, Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: So... For the marina's annual Sailsticecelebration we had a 'Downwind Umbrella Race,' where you can sail using anything but an actual sail. I made a joke (who, me?) about sewing my own sail out of women's underwear. Women started giving me underwear, so I was committed. It took me three days, sitting in my bunk watching movies, surrounded by piles of women's lingerie, sewing and hot gluing. http://www.wbryant.com/temp/2015sailstice/sail.jpg Here's a shot of the start, although the sail doesn't look as good from the back. http://www.wbryant.com/temp/2015sailstice/start1.jpg Here's a low quality front shot: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/2015sailstice/start2.jpg It worked really well, and you can almost see how the legs of the two bloomers fly out in front. That helped to depower the rig, because it was blowing about 10-15 knots in the afternoon thermal push, and everybody was out of control. Unfortunately my helmswoman, while cute and a lot of fun, had never been in a kayak or held a paddle before, and didn't understand the concept of downwind, or that her job was to steer the boat. As a consequence, when we were T-Boned from port and pushed off course, she paddled on the wrong side and turned us broadside to the breeze. That rig cannot handle a reach. So I won a prize for 'most spectacular wipe out' as well as 'most creative entry.' There was one of those RC drones in the air taking video, and I've seen that. I've also seen some really good high quality pictures including a 5 shot rapid series of the actual wipe-out. However the owners of those pics aren't giving them away yet, as they're being sent to Latitude38 and summersailstice.com and who knows where else. I was pretty bummed out about the wipe-out so early in the race, because I could tell that that rig could sail. However, I've been told that we're going to do it again later this summer, just for fun. Wal ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
Edd, Have a Beta 25 in our 33-ll, replaced a yanmar 2GM20, hardest part was removing the old engine. We went with a bigger engine that just fit the space, but the rails fit perfectly we had to add spacers under the mounts.. Local machine shop did them in an hour or so. Love the new engine, did get the upgraded alternator, and panel. Beta was great to deal with also. Paul. :) On Jun 24, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, The yard is pulling out the Enterprise's engine tomorrow. They can't get it to turn more than 3/4 of the way and they think it's a bent rod or something. So, as far as I can see, the options are: 1. They ship this engine to a place that can fix/rebuild. I know this is the lowest-priced option, but also am aware that there's a possibility it can't be fixed or rebuilt. So, in essence, I'm gambling with all that time and labor. 2. Obtain a remanufactured Universal M-35 or a similar engine from Westerbeke and get that put in - anyone have any clue as to those costs? 3. Obtain a Beta-30 from Beta Marine for $11,000 including shipping and put that in. The Beta guy (who has been enormously helpful) says it should be a perfect match (same mounts, same power, lighter engine) Anyone have any advice, experience or comments with any of these options. If it were you, what would you do? Wanted to get this email out before I threw up. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Loghttp://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ PastedGraphic-1.tiff ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
Check with Joe Demers at Sound Marine Diesel in CT. Country's biggest Beta dealer and he is a wizard with all makes. His prices are generally a little better since he sells so many engines. http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/ Bill Bina On 6/24/2015 4:25 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote: Charlie, The Enterprise’s displacement is 18,500 and Farron at Beta thought that the 30 would be the best fit to get the boat to it’s normal 7+ knots under power with the two-blade prop. I’m having trouble reconciling the $14,000 price tag (engine, shipping, est. labor), but the idea of a new engine is attractive as well as being back on the water in a couple of weeks. For a rebuild, I think I’m looking at, at best, mid August. I’m trying to hunt down a replacement in a better price range. PS — Thanks to Lister Josh Muckley for a lead at dieselenginetrader.com http://dieselenginetrader.com. Al doesn’t have a M-35 in stock, so I’m looking at 4-6 weeks with him. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Jun 24, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Just a thought Edd: I repowered my 13,600 lb displacement CC 36 XL/kcb (1995) with a Beta 25 after the Yanmar 30 GM? blew a head gasket at about 11 years of use (operator/system error!). It was a perfect match as well and all-in it was about $10K including install, etc. I bring it up only because your 37 is probably not much more displaement than my 36 and the Beta 25 gets mine to hull speed in any coastal weather I would care to be in! You might at least run that by the Beta guru, who I agree is excellent. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom cenel...@aol.com mailto:cenel...@aol.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
Edd, Sorry about your impulse engine. I’d factor in how much you spend each year to own the boat. My guess is that it works out to close to a B.O.A.T. unit per week. The BETA-30 sounds like a good deal. You’d have a brand new engine without having to screw around waiting to get your old engine rebuilt. If I repaired the old engine, I’d consider making sure of a new starter, alternator, mixing elbow, injectors, mounts. etc. unless you recently replaced any of them. These add up quickly. Good luck. It’s always fun to spend someone else’s Federation credits. Regards, Ron Ronald V. Ricci S/V Patriot CC 37+ Bristol, RI mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com ron.ri...@1968.usna.com From: Edd Schillay [mailto:e...@schillay.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:42 PM To: CC List Subject: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh Listers, The yard is pulling out the Enterprise’s engine tomorrow. They can’t get it to turn more than 3/4 of the way and they think it’s a bent rod or something. So, as far as I can see, the options are: 1. They ship this engine to a place that can fix/rebuild. I know this is the lowest-priced option, but also am aware that there’s a possibility it can’t be fixed or rebuilt. So, in essence, I’m gambling with all that time and labor. 2. Obtain a remanufactured Universal M-35 or a similar engine from Westerbeke and get that put in — anyone have any clue as to those costs? 3. Obtain a Beta-30 from Beta Marine for $11,000 including shipping and put that in. The Beta guy (who has been enormously helpful) says it should be a perfect match (same mounts, same power, lighter engine) Anyone have any advice, experience or comments with any of these options. If it were you, what would you do? Wanted to get this email out before I threw up. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Maintenance vs sailing time
I like the comments making sailing time a priority over maintenance time. We all want our boats to look great, but taking her out of the slip or off the mooring is priority one, hoisting sails and making an adventure. I missed some good sailing this spring while I repaired my steering, and I'll never get that time back. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
Edd, I am currently working with Al at Schooner Bay Imported Engines (who provide most of the listing at Diesel Engine Trader). A Yanmar 3GMF30 was advertised on a 3-week lead time and I am (hopefully) going to get it shipped 6 weeks from order date. Just my experience; I'm not saying it is typical, but his reasoning is that he's rushed off his feet at present, which would not bode well for your order. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 (currently non-auxiliary sloop) Branford, CT On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Charlie, The Enterprise’s displacement is 18,500 and Farron at Beta thought that the 30 would be the best fit to get the boat to it’s normal 7+ knots under power with the two-blade prop. I’m having trouble reconciling the $14,000 price tag (engine, shipping, est. labor), but the idea of a new engine is attractive as well as being back on the water in a couple of weeks. For a rebuild, I think I’m looking at, at best, mid August. I’m trying to hunt down a replacement in a better price range. PS — Thanks to Lister Josh Muckley for a lead at dieselenginetrader.com. Al doesn’t have a M-35 in stock, so I’m looking at 4-6 weeks with him. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Jun 24, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Just a thought Edd: I repowered my 13,600 lb displacement CC 36 XL/kcb (1995) with a Beta 25 after the Yanmar 30 GM? blew a head gasket at about 11 years of use (operator/system error!). It was a perfect match as well and all-in it was about $10K including install, etc. I bring it up only because your 37 is probably not much more displaement than my 36 and the Beta 25 gets mine to hull speed in any coastal weather I would care to be in! You might at least run that by the Beta guru, who I agree is excellent. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom cenel...@aol.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List recovery
Wal, Funny stuff. My story might offer some encouragement? Everyone is different but I had the Hernia operation at 58. I had put it off for a full year but glad I did it now. Took a full year before I stopped feeling the little tingles from down there. I still work 40hrs/wk as an HVAC tech for a school and we have much lifting and climbing ladders to work on rooftop machines, and though it's physically hard, it helps me stay in shape. Tore my right rotator cuff at 59 and that pain was like a knife tip in my shoulder for months. That pain lessened at 8 weeks and I chose to skip surgery when I achieved full movement during theropy. I remember climbing straight ladders one handed, nursing that shoulder for 6 months. A year later that shoulder is about 90% as strong, w almost no pain. Now at 61, I banged the left shoulder and it hurts daily and worries me, and is weakened, but I'll work thru it. Anyway, it takes a lot longer to heal when you get older, but you do heal. I used to respect older people for what they knew. Now I add more respect for working through their pains. Hope you heal quicker than I did. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: W ally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:20:00 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior teak finish You wrote: I use lard. If we cook bacon on the boat, I will also smear some bacon fat around the bottom of the bulkheads to protect them. Now that's not fair. Dude, somebody might actually try that. It will smell. Here's the real scoop. I recently had hernia surgery, and the surgeon also specializes in weight reduction gastric stuff and liposuction. He cut me a deal on human lipostuff, which is the best thing to smear all over the interior teak of your boat. Oh, never mind... Actually, I might be the only person who could write a 10 minute comedy routine about hernia surgery. For now, I'll just say that from now on I'll be paying someone to replace my batteries. Getting old sucks. Wal currently still lying in La Cruz ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Interior Teak Finish
I like the Watco Teak Oil from Home Depot, too. I also use Pinesol on wood and Tilex on hard surfaces. Mold reduction strategy: Pinesol is a great cleaner and if mixed thin, acording to the label does not need rinsing. In the spring when it's too cold to do much on board, I spray sections of the wood panels with a hand sprayer w Pinesol and water, wipe that in with a cotton cloth and then mist it again and wipe that off. Some of the oil will be lifted, but Watco works great where the wood looks lighter than the rest. I spray and wipe down inside all lockers and storage areas with the Pinesol mix. If mold is found, a use a sponge with straight Pinesol to wipe that off and final coat with another spray of the leaner mix, wipe off any puddles. If mold appears on fiberglass, I switch to using Tilex . If you spray Tilex onto the interior surface, you risk breathing it and previous experience gave me a wicked sore throat. Instead, I spray a sponge and wipe the surface without spraying much into the air. Rinse the sponge in a bucket of warm water. Once clean, I spray a light coat onto effected surfaces starting at the bow and work my way back and out to leave the boat for a while (go to lunch or dinner) to air dry. The boat needs fresh air to keep down mold. I added solar fans and they run all year, until it drops to freezing. I turn them off for a few weeks in February, but otherwise they pull air out of the cabin year round. Fresh air enters through the drop boards. Vacuum the bilge dry before winter layup helps too. Once I cleaned and painted my bilge, I lost the boat smell that my daughter heated. Now I simply wet vac it, and sponge clean what I can reach, before tarping it over. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:09:00 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Interior Teak Finish I bought a quart can of Watco Teak Oil at Home Depot. After last summer, the teak looked beat up and uneven. Even the admiral was impressed with how good the teak look after I oiled it, and the can will last another 10 years or more. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I use lemon pledge to the keep the wood inside looking good. I'm grateful for the recipe though because I've been wanting to line the quarter berth with mahogany battens. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote Agreed, That's why I try and prioritize the stuff by must do vs nice to have. I do my best to get the must do well and fairly expeditiously, the rest is somewhat maniana because it's lower on the priority list than racing / cruising with the family.. That's in contrast with 4 out of 6 of my dock neighbors that seem to place constantly working on the boat as the top priority. To each his own, I'd rather be sailing (Like the 70's bumper sticker used to say :-) ) At least my dock looks nice, with clean and well maintained boats. BTW, I just use the West Premium Gold teak oil once or twice a year in my cabin and the boat looks great, I get compliments all the time. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, GA - The most important thing is to get the job done well and go sailing. - Wal ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com /blockquote -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
Sorry Ed, this seems to have gone from bad to worse. At this point, I personally wouldn’t mess with a rebuild unless there was a significant price difference - 5k or so which probably isn’t going to happen. Yard bills are the same either way. I’d vote for whatever gets you back in the water the quickest unless the season is already lost. Have you spoken to Mack Boring (Yanmar) in Union NJ? The beta sounds tempting, particularly if they have one that can be shipped quickly but I have no first-hand knowledge of them. This one is tough, you don’t want to jump on an engine just to salvage a portion of the season… but you do want to salvage the season. Enormously helpful is a good sign. John On Jun 24, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, The yard is pulling out the Enterprise’s engine tomorrow. They can’t get it to turn more than 3/4 of the way and they think it’s a bent rod or something. So, as far as I can see, the options are: 1. They ship this engine to a place that can fix/rebuild. I know this is the lowest-priced option, but also am aware that there’s a possibility it can’t be fixed or rebuilt. So, in essence, I’m gambling with all that time and labor. 2. Obtain a remanufactured Universal M-35 or a similar engine from Westerbeke and get that put in — anyone have any clue as to those costs? 3. Obtain a Beta-30 from Beta Marine for $11,000 including shipping and put that in. The Beta guy (who has been enormously helpful) says it should be a perfect match (same mounts, same power, lighter engine) Anyone have any advice, experience or comments with any of these options. If it were you, what would you do? Wanted to get this email out before I threw up. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ PastedGraphic-1.tiff ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List (totally non sailing related) recovery
No I mean it was really funny. The surgery was actually fun, but the recovery was brutal. If I could do it again I probably would have tried the laparoscopic procedure. (Intuitive Surgical was actually one of my clients for years...) The surgeon told me that there was less chance of nerve damage with the classic procedure. Ha. Besides, the whole thing was an out-of-pocket expense. Welcome to cruising outside of the US and Canada. They definitely do things differently down here. The nurses were a lot of fun. I was totally out for the actual surgery, but the preparation was wild. Those nurses just walked in, pulled up the gown, held my arms down to the table while they stuck the IV in my arm (it took five tries, because she wasn't looking at my arm...) and while they wrapped my legs up with tape kept staring at the shaved area. Apparently there aren't that many natural blondes down here. That should have been humiliating, but they kept giggling and trying to make conversation. Are you married? (no) Divorced? (no) Why aren't you married? (no quiero una esposa) Tienes una novia? (no al momento) giggles Quieres una novia? (si, porque no) Tienes ninos? (no) Porque no? (obviously not because I *can't*) Post Op was brutal. I had pain killers, but stopped taking them after a day because they worked too well and I was afraid I'd forget, try to pick something up or jump off the boat and rip myself back open. So for a week or so I literally had to crawl on and off the boat. And the rest of the story will remain untold until I find a way to make it funny. Wal you wrote: Wal, Funny stuff. snipEveryone is different but I had the Hernia operation at 58. snip ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Marion Bermuda race
YB has him 3rd in class. Either way, congrats to him and his crew! Joel On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 6:07 AM, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Per the race results on marionbermuda.com Dave was 4th in Class - 10th in Division. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Jun 23, 2015, at 23:29, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If I'm reading the race tracker correctly, it looks like Dave has a first in Class C! Richard 1985 CC ; Ohio River; mile 596 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com Sent: Wed, Jun 17, 2015 1:43 pm Subject: Stus-List Marion Bermuda race Our own David Risch is doing the race in his CC 40, Corsair. Start is in less than 2 days! Track the fleet at http://yb.tl/mb2015. Good luck David! -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 2015 Sailstice umbrella race
Okay, here's the LAT38 link http://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/lectronicday.lasso?date=2015-06-24dayid=1232#Story2 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
If the crank won’t turn, the suggestion about a bent rod is a real possibility. Hydraulic Lock (cylinder full of incompressible water) would cause that. Contact your nearest Kubota tractor dealer about an engine rebuild. The marinized parts of the engine like the raw water pump and the heat exchanger , and all the injection system, are going to be OK. The block is almost certainly OK, as is the crankshaft. You might well need a set of rods and pistons, and will certainly need the head machined and rebuilt. Other stuff like rings, bearings, and seals would have been replaced in a rebuild anyway. Based on 20+ years of experience in the industrial machinery business, and my own experience with a Universal M35B that locked up, you are probably looking at a week to 10 days for the repair and (at labor costs in North Carolina) $5500 to $6500 for the rebuild. The Kubota dealer will be less than getting the work done by the Universal dealer/distributor (the Universal is, after all, a BOAT engine). For option 2, see my earlier post about getting an M35B bobtail engine and reusing your existing transmission and wiring. Call Engines One in Norfolk, VA (may actually be Chesapeake, but they will be listed on the Westerbeke website). They are the regional distributor from whom I bought my engine. Once the engine gets to you, it should take about a day to swap the transmission, drop in the engine, hook up the wiring and other connections, and align the engine. My bobtail M35B was about $6300 in 2010. Another advantage of using the bobtail is all the spares you can harvest off your old engine. Injectors, pumps, alternator, starter, heat exchanger, wiring harness, sensors, etc. Did you talk to Richard at Beta here in North Carolina? He is correct; the Beta 30 (and the 35) are both based on the same Kubota tractor engine as the M35B, so they are essentially the same except for paint color and the components used to marinize the engine. Rick Brass Imzadi CC 38 mk 2 la Belle Aurore CC 25 mk1 Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:42 PM To: CC List Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh Listers, The yard is pulling out the Enterprise’s engine tomorrow. They can’t get it to turn more than 3/4 of the way and they think it’s a bent rod or something. So, as far as I can see, the options are: 1. They ship this engine to a place that can fix/rebuild. I know this is the lowest-priced option, but also am aware that there’s a possibility it can’t be fixed or rebuilt. So, in essence, I’m gambling with all that time and labor. 2. Obtain a remanufactured Universal M-35 or a similar engine from Westerbeke and get that put in — anyone have any clue as to those costs? 3. Obtain a Beta-30 from Beta Marine for $11,000 including shipping and put that in. The Beta guy (who has been enormously helpful) says it should be a perfect match (same mounts, same power, lighter engine) Anyone have any advice, experience or comments with any of these options. If it were you, what would you do? Wanted to get this email out before I threw up. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List (totally non sailing related) recovery
Wal Had laproscopic. It failed. Regular is no more painful Joel On Wednesday, June 24, 2015, Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: No I mean it was really funny. The surgery was actually fun, but the recovery was brutal. If I could do it again I probably would have tried the laparoscopic procedure. (Intuitive Surgical was actually one of my clients for years...) The surgeon told me that there was less chance of nerve damage with the classic procedure. Ha. Besides, the whole thing was an out-of-pocket expense. Welcome to cruising outside of the US and Canada. They definitely do things differently down here. The nurses were a lot of fun. I was totally out for the actual surgery, but the preparation was wild. Those nurses just walked in, pulled up the gown, held my arms down to the table while they stuck the IV in my arm (it took five tries, because she wasn't looking at my arm...) and while they wrapped my legs up with tape kept staring at the shaved area. Apparently there aren't that many natural blondes down here. That should have been humiliating, but they kept giggling and trying to make conversation. Are you married? (no) Divorced? (no) Why aren't you married? (no quiero una esposa) Tienes una novia? (no al momento) giggles Quieres una novia? (si, porque no) Tienes ninos? (no) Porque no? (obviously not because I *can't*) Post Op was brutal. I had pain killers, but stopped taking them after a day because they worked too well and I was afraid I'd forget, try to pick something up or jump off the boat and rip myself back open. So for a week or so I literally had to crawl on and off the boat. And the rest of the story will remain untold until I find a way to make it funny. Wal you wrote: Wal, Funny stuff. snipEveryone is different but I had the Hernia operation at 58. snip ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Chartplotter choice when you want to simply add AIS to the display?
West has a few day sale on Garmin and Raymarine chartplotters with the new hi res sonars. I'm a newbie to most marine electronics. I have 20 year old Raymarine instruments, and no plans to connect to charplotter. On Lake Superior, AIS tells you where the freighters are, and GPS where the land is, and you don't worry very much about running into another sailor out in the lake - the one thing radar adds when its foggy.. Several friends got AIS and likely will not add radar.. I like to sail and mess with boats - but I prefer to leave the computer programming stuff for work. Any thoughts on the simplicity of adding an AIS receiver to the display on a Raymarine Dragonfly 7, or to Garmin Echomap 74dv? Thanks Nate Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 and 1994 Tartan 31 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Cruising/max speed for 1980 CC 32
Hans-Erik, Bob is correct in questioning the condition of the bottom of your boat - and also of the prop. You haven't said where you sail, but if barnacles are a possibility there I'd get a diver to look at the bottom of the boat. The proper diameter and pitch prop for your boat (and a clean bottom) should let you get approximately hull speed (somewhere in the 6.5 KT range?) at about 80% of max RPM. My friend's 29-2 with a 2GMF and a 14x9 2 blade prop gave us 6.3 @ 2400 RPM and 6.5-6.7 at 3000 RPM on the long motor back from a race this past weekend. Rick Brass Washington, NC -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 8:56 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert; Hans-Erik Andersen Subject: Stus-List Cruising/max speed for 1980 CC 32 Hans-Erik: We have the same engine.our 32 has a fixed 2 blade prop (Michigan) ...from your numbers provided, your boat is not performing the same as ours. I can 't be precise, but our boat is approx. 1 knot faster at the rpm's you mentioned (GPS speed, not Signet knot meter). What's the condition of the bottom of your boat? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-06-24 1:54 AM, Hans-Erik Andersen via CnC-List wrote: I've recently purchased a 1980 CC 32 with a yanmar 2GM20F 18 hp diesel. We're having some propeller/power issues, and I'm wondering if anyone here would have idea of what the approx. cruising/max speed should be for this boat and engine. I'getting 5.9 kts at full throttle (3400 rpm) and 5.3 kts knots at 2800 rpm. Is this reasonable, or cause for concern? Thanks! Sent from my iPad ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
On a happier note - this could be the first ever episode where Scotty gets to say “Captain, the impulse engines can’t handle it but warp drive is good to go”… John On Jun 24, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Ron Ricci via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, Sorry about your impulse engine. I’d factor in how much you spend each year to own the boat. My guess is that it works out to close to a B.O.A.T. unit per week. The BETA-30 sounds like a good deal. You’d have a brand new engine without having to screw around waiting to get your old engine rebuilt. If I repaired the old engine, I’d consider making sure of a new starter, alternator, mixing elbow, injectors, mounts. etc. unless you recently replaced any of them. These add up quickly. Good luck. It’s always fun to spend someone else’s Federation credits. Regards, Ron Ronald V. Ricci S/V Patriot CC 37+ Bristol, RI ron.ri...@1968.usna.com mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com From: Edd Schillay [mailto:e...@schillay.com mailto:e...@schillay.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:42 PM To: CC List Subject: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh Listers, The yard is pulling out the Enterprise’s engine tomorrow. They can’t get it to turn more than 3/4 of the way and they think it’s a bent rod or something. So, as far as I can see, the options are: 1. They ship this engine to a place that can fix/rebuild. I know this is the lowest-priced option, but also am aware that there’s a possibility it can’t be fixed or rebuilt. So, in essence, I’m gambling with all that time and labor. 2. Obtain a remanufactured Universal M-35 or a similar engine from Westerbeke and get that put in — anyone have any clue as to those costs? 3. Obtain a Beta-30 from Beta Marine for $11,000 including shipping and put that in. The Beta guy (who has been enormously helpful) says it should be a perfect match (same mounts, same power, lighter engine) Anyone have any advice, experience or comments with any of these options. If it were you, what would you do? Wanted to get this email out before I threw up. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ image001.png ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Rigging Services in Annapolis
Hello folks,Any recommendations on a rigging company in Annapolis area? Planning to replace my standing rigging and don't want to do it myself. I already have a quote from the Annapolis Rigging Company and looking for a second estimate. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Aaron RouhiAdmiral Maggie79 30-1Annapolis, MD___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Maintenance vs sailing time
I enjoy working on my boat. I enjoy sailing even more but the boat is 35 years old, lots of things need attention. I frequently do the maintenance stuff during the weekdays after work. Having only a few hours to sail or maintain the boat I feel my time is better spent fixing, leaving the weekends open. My preference is longer sails on the weekends, and really the whole point for me is longer cruises. Kind of really looking forward to retirement. By then everything will be good and fixed, twice over. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I spent yesterday and today scrubbing the deck (Scrubbing Bubbles Foaming Bleach and a kitchen ScotchBrite pad), roughing up the wood and applying a maintenance coat of Cetol Gloss. Thoroughly enjoyable. Looking at the finished result was really nice. Sailing is good but working on a boat can be pleasurable depending on the task. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I like the comments making sailing time a priority over maintenance time. We all want our boats to look great, but taking her out of the slip or off the mooring is priority one, hoisting sails and making an adventure. I missed some good sailing this spring while I repaired my steering, and I'll never get that time back. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List (now sailing related) Health Care - was recovery
Wal; Go to the US Sailing website and look up the contact information for the Gowrie Group and call Barbie Murray, who is the coordinator for the group health coverage available to US Sailing members. That is the coverage I have had for the past several years, since I retired. There are a number of ways to qualify for the group, one if which is being a live aboard sailor who is out of the US for at least 3 months per year. Since sailors eat better, get more exercise and fresh air, and lead a healthy lifestyle (don't be too specific when you describe yours) the rates are quite reasonable. My coverage was with GeoBlue - which is Blue Cross for the rest of the world - and was less than half what North Carolina BC/BS quoted me and had $0 deductible and $ copay when outside the US. The coverage was actually quite a bit less than anything Healthcare.Gov had available even after taking the tax credits into account. Now that I'm about to go on Medicare, I talked to Barbie about what options I might have available. I'm told they offer a policy that has coverage equivalent to Medicare, but only covers outside the US. It is available for a specified limited duration (such as a winter in the Caribbean) or year round coverage, and the cost is only a few hundred dollars a year. I plan to sign up when I actually get to go south next year. Rick Brass Washington, NC -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:42 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Wally Bryant Subject: Re: Stus-List (totally non sailing related) recovery Besides, the whole thing was an out-of-pocket expense. Welcome to cruising outside of the US and Canada. Wal ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Interior Teak Finish
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If mold appears on fiberglass, I switch to using *Tilex*. Scrubbing Bubbles Foaming Bleach is the bomb on fiberglass. Mold just disappears. Wear appropriate personal protective gear. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rigging Services in Annapolis
APS On Jun 24, 2015 8:36 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hello folks, Any recommendations on a rigging company in Annapolis area? Planning to replace my standing rigging and don't want to do it myself. I already have a quote from the Annapolis Rigging Company and looking for a second estimate. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Aaron Rouhi Admiral Maggie 79 30-1 Annapolis, MD ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Maintenance vs sailing time
I spent yesterday and today scrubbing the deck (Scrubbing Bubbles Foaming Bleach and a kitchen ScotchBrite pad), roughing up the wood and applying a maintenance coat of Cetol Gloss. Thoroughly enjoyable. Looking at the finished result was really nice. Sailing is good but working on a boat can be pleasurable depending on the task. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I like the comments making sailing time a priority over maintenance time. We all want our boats to look great, but taking her out of the slip or off the mooring is priority one, hoisting sails and making an adventure. I missed some good sailing this spring while I repaired my steering, and I'll never get that time back. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
EDD: Lots of great advice in this thread…..BUT; a few years ago, I met with Rob Ball at the Newport Boat show… We were going over a couple of thing an I asked him (I own a CC 38MKII…1977) if he had it to do over again……….what would be different. Without even hesitating, he took me over to the Yanmar booth right next to Edson’s where he works now, and pointed to the Yanmar YM30 with the SD20 saildrive. So a year later, I had the opportunity to do just that. 7 years later……….that engine is quiet, doesn’t need the maintenance a transmission does, drives the boat to over 7kt, an backs up dead straight…….. It’s the quietest engine I have ever heard. The old Volvo Penta was removed in one piece through the companionway……… The Yanmar 3YM30 and SD20 Saildrive comes in a crate mounted to a new bed that only has to be scribed and glassed in. the scary part is that you have to cut a hole I the bottom for the drive to go through but the seal system is absolutely great……….. The total cost of the engine and the installation ended up around $9K. I’ve never looked back. If you look around at new performance boats and such they all have Saildrives, most of the J boats e.g. YOU should at least give that option a glance………..you treat the SailDrive like an outboard motor which is what it really is. For the CC, I’d recommend the long shaft version…..no up charge then. I also ended up with a Flex-O-Fold 2 bladed folding prop recommended by Yanmar and that, too has been great. So consider moving up to the new propulsion system for the Starshipyou’ll love it. Best Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC 1977 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ Melody via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 12:09 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Russ Melody Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh Hi Edd, Wasn't this a suspected head gasket leak a while ago? Then confirmed suspicion finding discoloured oil (grey) and cranking with no firing? So now it's probably just hydraulic'ed and they want to remove the whole puppy! Did anyone try barring it over with the injectors removed? Don't you have a competent mechanic nearby who can pop the head off in less than a couple of hours and give you a good opinion? Might save the season and a few grand to boot, Russ At 12:41 PM 24/06/2015, you wrote: Listers, The yard is pulling out the Enterprise’s engine tomorrow. They can’t get it to turn more than 3/4 of the way and they think it’s a bent rod or something. So, as far as I can see, the options are: 1. They ship this engine to a place that can fix/rebuild. I know this is the lowest-priced option, but also am aware that there’s a possibility it can’t be fixed or rebuilt. So, in essence, I’m gambling with all that time and labor. 2. Obtain a remanufactured Universal M-35 or a similar engine from Westerbeke and get that put in — anyone have any clue as to those costs? 3. Obtain a Beta-30 from Beta Marine for $11,000 including shipping and put that in. The Beta guy (who has been enormously helpful) says it should be a perfect match (same mounts, same power, lighter engine) Anyone have any advice, experience or comments with any of these options. If it were you, what would you do? Wanted to get this email out before I threw up. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
Hi Edd, Wasn't this a suspected head gasket leak a while ago? Then confirmed suspicion finding discoloured oil (grey) and cranking with no firing? So now it's probably just hydraulic'ed and they want to remove the whole puppy! Did anyone try barring it over with the injectors removed? Don't you have a competent mechanic nearby who can pop the head off in less than a couple of hours and give you a good opinion? Might save the season and a few grand to boot, Russ At 12:41 PM 24/06/2015, you wrote: Listers, The yard is pulling out the Enterpriseâs engine tomorrow. They canât get it to turn more than 3/4 of the way and they think itâs a bent rod or something. So, as far as I can see, the options are: 1. They ship this engine to a place that can fix/rebuild. I know this is the lowest-priced option, but also am aware that thereâs a possibility it canât be fixed or rebuilt. So, in essence, Iâm gambling with all that time and labor. 2. Obtain a remanufactured Universal M-35 or a similar engine from Westerbeke and get that put in anyone have any clue as to those costs? 3. Obtain a Beta-30 from Beta Marine for $11,000 including shipping and put that in. The Beta guy (who has been enormously helpful) says it should be a perfect match (same mounts, same power, lighter engine) Anyone have any advice, experience or comments with any of these options. If it were you, what would you do? Wanted to get this email out before I threw up. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log [] ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Interior Teak Finish
Agreed, That's why I try and prioritize the stuff by must do vs nice to have. I do my best to get the must do well and fairly expeditiously, the rest is somewhat maniana because it's lower on the priority list than racing / cruising with the family.. That's in contrast with 4 out of 6 of my dock neighbors that seem to place constantly working on the boat as the top priority. To each his own, I'd rather be sailing (Like the 70's bumper sticker used to say :-) ) At least my dock looks nice, with clean and well maintained boats. BTW, I just use the West Premium Gold teak oil once or twice a year in my cabin and the boat looks great, I get compliments all the time. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, GA - The most important thing is to get the job done well and go sailing. - Wal ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Interior teak finish
Oh my gosh, that was me. Once upon a time, in a land far far away, I got really into doing everything as perfect as possible. Then I was forced to make compromises, because I was never actually going to go cruising if I didn't finish off the list. So structurally sound was the top priority, and cosmetics came second. I have a great deal of home made teak work on board http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/trickwood/trkwd.htm and after some time just used straight Minwax Marine Spar Varnish. (I would *not* use it on the exterior. 'Spar' is a marketing term for Minwax.) As it ages it gets darker and redder, and after 10 years I can't tell the difference. I suppose if you look really close you can tell, but I don't care and no one has ever commented on it. The most important thing is to get the job done well and go sailing. Wal You wrote: snip A lister contributed a very good stain match years ago - I wish I'd saved his name to credit his trial and error efforts, but the recipe is Minwax Wood Finish (Stain) 1 part Provincial (211) 2 parts Golden Pecan (245) 2 parts Colonial Maple (223) I've sanded dinged, worn, or stained solid teak bits, and very very carefully very fine sanded some of the teak veneer panels, then wiped on this stain mix, let stand a few minutes, and wiped off. The results look like an EXACT color match on my boat. I now keep a can of this mix made up for all touch up work inside. snip ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Interior Teak Finish
I use lemon pledge to the keep the wood inside looking good. I'm grateful for the recipe though because I've been wanting to line the quarter berth with mahogany battens. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Agreed, That's why I try and prioritize the stuff by must do vs nice to have. I do my best to get the must do well and fairly expeditiously, the rest is somewhat maniana because it's lower on the priority list than racing / cruising with the family.. That's in contrast with 4 out of 6 of my dock neighbors that seem to place constantly working on the boat as the top priority. To each his own, I'd rather be sailing (Like the 70's bumper sticker used to say :-) ) At least my dock looks nice, with clean and well maintained boats. BTW, I just use the West Premium Gold teak oil once or twice a year in my cabin and the boat looks great, I get compliments all the time. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, GA - The most important thing is to get the job done well and go sailing. - Wal ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Interior Teak Finish
I have been using Old English furniture oil for about three years. Seems to do the job for me with no downside noticed yet. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Jun 24, 2015, at 13:09, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I bought a quart can of Watco Teak Oil at Home Depot. After last summer, the teak looked beat up and uneven. Even the admiral was impressed with how good the teak look after I oiled it, and the can will last another 10 years or more. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I use lemon pledge to the keep the wood inside looking good. I'm grateful for the recipe though because I've been wanting to line the quarter berth with mahogany battens. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Agreed, That's why I try and prioritize the stuff by must do vs nice to have. I do my best to get the must do well and fairly expeditiously, the rest is somewhat maniana because it's lower on the priority list than racing / cruising with the family.. That's in contrast with 4 out of 6 of my dock neighbors that seem to place constantly working on the boat as the top priority. To each his own, I'd rather be sailing (Like the 70's bumper sticker used to say :-) ) At least my dock looks nice, with clean and well maintained boats. BTW, I just use the West Premium Gold teak oil once or twice a year in my cabin and the boat looks great, I get compliments all the time. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, GA - The most important thing is to get the job done well and go sailing. - Wal ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Interior Teak Finish
I bought a quart can of Watco Teak Oil at Home Depot. After last summer, the teak looked beat up and uneven. Even the admiral was impressed with how good the teak look after I oiled it, and the can will last another 10 years or more. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I use lemon pledge to the keep the wood inside looking good. I'm grateful for the recipe though because I've been wanting to line the quarter berth with mahogany battens. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Agreed, That's why I try and prioritize the stuff by must do vs nice to have. I do my best to get the must do well and fairly expeditiously, the rest is somewhat maniana because it's lower on the priority list than racing / cruising with the family.. That's in contrast with 4 out of 6 of my dock neighbors that seem to place constantly working on the boat as the top priority. To each his own, I'd rather be sailing (Like the 70's bumper sticker used to say :-) ) At least my dock looks nice, with clean and well maintained boats. BTW, I just use the West Premium Gold teak oil once or twice a year in my cabin and the boat looks great, I get compliments all the time. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, GA - The most important thing is to get the job done well and go sailing. - Wal ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Cruising/max speed for 1980 CC 32
The 32 is underpowered. I have seen the same engine in a 27 which weighs 4000 lbs less. I get about 5.4 at 2700 and 5.9 at 3300 rpm. I have a fixed 2 blade prop. Other than that, you got a great boat. Cheers david CC32 Wanderer -- From: Hans-Erik Andersen via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:54 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hans-Erik Andersen hanserik14...@gmail.com Subject: Stus-List Cruising/max speed for 1980 CC 32 I've recently purchased a 1980 CC 32 with a yanmar 2GM20F 18 hp diesel. We're having some propeller/power issues, and I'm wondering if anyone here would have idea of what the approx. cruising/max speed should be for this boat and engine. I'getting 5.9 kts at full throttle (3400 rpm) and 5.3 kts knots at 2800 rpm. Is this reasonable, or cause for concern? Thanks! Sent from my iPad ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Cruising/max speed for 1980 CC 32
I have the same 2GM20F engine in my current boat, a Bristol 30 that officially weighs 8,700 pounds as opposed to the 32's 9,600. I regularly reach 6.3 knots in flat water at 3,000 rpm. It cruises comfortably at 5.5 knots at about 2,300 rpm. I have a two-bladed prop at 14 X 11 in an aperture. It's a little overpropped, but it works fine for now. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®|PRO Original message From: D.J. Platt via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date:06/24/2015 1:25 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: D.J. Platt w7...@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising/max speed for 1980 CC 32 The 32 is underpowered. I have seen the same engine in a 27 which weighs 4000 lbs less. I get about 5.4 at 2700 and 5.9 at 3300 rpm. I have a fixed 2 blade prop. Other than that, you got a great boat. Cheers david CC32 Wanderer -- From: Hans-Erik Andersen via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:54 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hans-Erik Andersen hanserik14...@gmail.com Subject: Stus-List Cruising/max speed for 1980 CC 32 I've recently purchased a 1980 CC 32 with a yanmar 2GM20F 18 hp diesel. We're having some propeller/power issues, and I'm wondering if anyone here would have idea of what the approx. cruising/max speed should be for this boat and engine. I'getting 5.9 kts at full throttle (3400 rpm) and 5.3 kts knots at 2800 rpm. Is this reasonable, or cause for concern? Thanks! Sent from my iPad ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Interior Teak Finish
I used teak oil and it grew mold and black spots over the winter. Bleached it out as best as I could. That's why I have to refinish the interior wood. I'll try miniwax stain spar varnish. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I bought a quart can of Watco Teak Oil at Home Depot. After last summer, the teak looked beat up and uneven. Even the admiral was impressed with how good the teak look after I oiled it, and the can will last another 10 years or more. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I use lemon pledge to the keep the wood inside looking good. I'm grateful for the recipe though because I've been wanting to line the quarter berth with mahogany battens. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Agreed, That's why I try and prioritize the stuff by must do vs nice to have. I do my best to get the must do well and fairly expeditiously, the rest is somewhat maniana because it's lower on the priority list than racing / cruising with the family.. That's in contrast with 4 out of 6 of my dock neighbors that seem to place constantly working on the boat as the top priority. To each his own, I'd rather be sailing (Like the 70's bumper sticker used to say :-) ) At least my dock looks nice, with clean and well maintained boats. BTW, I just use the West Premium Gold teak oil once or twice a year in my cabin and the boat looks great, I get compliments all the time. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, GA - The most important thing is to get the job done well and go sailing. - Wal ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 32 Mast Step
Being the former owner of a CC 30, I asked mu surveyor that very question. He was a former production supervisor at Niagara-on-the-Lake and he assured me that the step under the mast on the 32 is solid glass. cheers david From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Stevan Plavsa Subject: Stus-List CC 32 Mast Step With the other thread about the 30-1 mast step and past threads about the 35mkII and others I have to ask .. is the mast step on the made of wood like on other models? All I see is an aluminum box. My bilge is never dry so now I'm concerned having read the other thread. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Interior Teak Finish
I have heard that lemon oil prevents mold. After recommendations from this list I use Old English lemon oil. Comes in a trigger sprayer. Spray on, rub in, wipe off. Fresh smell, no mold... Yet. Josh Muckley S /V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37 + Solomons, MD On Jun 24, 2015 1:22 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I used teak oil and it grew mold and black spots over the winter. Bleached it out as best as I could. That's why I have to refinish the interior wood. I'll try miniwax stain spar varnish. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I bought a quart can of Watco Teak Oil at Home Depot. After last summer, the teak looked beat up and uneven. Even the admiral was impressed with how good the teak look after I oiled it, and the can will last another 10 years or more. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I use lemon pledge to the keep the wood inside looking good. I'm grateful for the recipe though because I've been wanting to line the quarter berth with mahogany battens. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Agreed, That's why I try and prioritize the stuff by must do vs nice to have. I do my best to get the must do well and fairly expeditiously, the rest is somewhat maniana because it's lower on the priority list than racing / cruising with the family.. That's in contrast with 4 out of 6 of my dock neighbors that seem to place constantly working on the boat as the top priority. To each his own, I'd rather be sailing (Like the 70's bumper sticker used to say :-) ) At least my dock looks nice, with clean and well maintained boats. BTW, I just use the West Premium Gold teak oil once or twice a year in my cabin and the boat looks great, I get compliments all the time. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, GA - The most important thing is to get the job done well and go sailing. - Wal ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
Listers, The yard is pulling out the Enterprise’s engine tomorrow. They can’t get it to turn more than 3/4 of the way and they think it’s a bent rod or something. So, as far as I can see, the options are: 1. They ship this engine to a place that can fix/rebuild. I know this is the lowest-priced option, but also am aware that there’s a possibility it can’t be fixed or rebuilt. So, in essence, I’m gambling with all that time and labor. 2. Obtain a remanufactured Universal M-35 or a similar engine from Westerbeke and get that put in — anyone have any clue as to those costs? 3. Obtain a Beta-30 from Beta Marine for $11,000 including shipping and put that in. The Beta guy (who has been enormously helpful) says it should be a perfect match (same mounts, same power, lighter engine) Anyone have any advice, experience or comments with any of these options. If it were you, what would you do? Wanted to get this email out before I threw up. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
Just a thought Edd: I repowered my 13,600 lb displacement CC 36 XL/kcb (1995) with a Beta 25 after the Yanmar 30 GM? blew a head gasket at about 11 years of use (operator/system error!). It was a perfect match as well and all-in it was about $10K including install, etc. I bring it up only because your 37 is probably not much more displaement than my 36 and the Beta 25 gets mine to hull speed in any coastal weather I would care to be in! You might at least run that by the Beta guru, who I agree is excellent. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com Sent: Wed, Jun 24, 2015 3:42 pm Subject: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh Listers, The yard is pulling out the Enterprise’s engine tomorrow. They can’t get it to turn more than 3/4 of the way and they think it’s a bent rod or something. So, as far as I can see, the options are: 1. They ship this engine to a place that can fix/rebuild. I know this is the lowest-priced option, but also am aware that there’s a possibility it can’t be fixed or rebuilt. So, in essence, I’m gambling with all that time and labor. 2. Obtain a remanufactured Universal M-35 or a similar engine from Westerbeke and get that put in — anyone have any clue as to those costs? 3. Obtain a Beta-30 from Beta Marine for $11,000 including shipping and put that in. The Beta guy (who has been enormously helpful) says it should be a perfect match (same mounts, same power, lighter engine) Anyone have any advice, experience or comments with any of these options. If it were you, what would you do? Wanted to get this email out before I threw up. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
Edd, So sorry to hear this! You might check with these guys: http://www.dieselenginetrader.com on rebuild time/price. Joel On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, The yard is pulling out the Enterprise’s engine tomorrow. They can’t get it to turn more than 3/4 of the way and they think it’s a bent rod or something. So, as far as I can see, the options are: 1. They ship this engine to a place that can fix/rebuild. I know this is the lowest-priced option, but also am aware that there’s a possibility it can’t be fixed or rebuilt. So, in essence, I’m gambling with all that time and labor. 2. Obtain a remanufactured Universal M-35 or a similar engine from Westerbeke and get that put in — anyone have any clue as to those costs? 3. Obtain a Beta-30 from Beta Marine for $11,000 including shipping and put that in. The Beta guy (who has been enormously helpful) says it should be a perfect match (same mounts, same power, lighter engine) Anyone have any advice, experience or comments with any of these options. If it were you, what would you do? Wanted to get this email out before I threw up. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 32 Mast Step
David, you're a lifesaver :) Thanks for replying to such an old email, you've set my mind at ease! Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:20 PM, D.J. Platt via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Being the former owner of a CC 30, I asked mu surveyor that very question. He was a former production supervisor at Niagara-on-the-Lake and he assured me that the step under the mast on the 32 is solid glass. cheers david *From:* Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:09 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com *Subject:* Stus-List CC 32 Mast Step With the other thread about the 30-1 mast step and past threads about the 35mkII and others I have to ask .. is the mast step on the made of wood like on other models? All I see is an aluminum box. My bilge is never dry so now I'm concerned having read the other thread. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List 2015 Sailstice umbrella race
So... For the marina's annual Sailsticecelebration we had a 'Downwind Umbrella Race,' where you can sail using anything but an actual sail. I made a joke (who, me?) about sewing my own sail out of women's underwear. Women started giving me underwear, so I was committed. It took me three days, sitting in my bunk watching movies, surrounded by piles of women's lingerie, sewing and hot gluing. http://www.wbryant.com/temp/2015sailstice/sail.jpg Here's a shot of the start, although the sail doesn't look as good from the back. http://www.wbryant.com/temp/2015sailstice/start1.jpg Here's a low quality front shot: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/2015sailstice/start2.jpg It worked really well, and you can almost see how the legs of the two bloomers fly out in front. That helped to depower the rig, because it was blowing about 10-15 knots in the afternoon thermal push, and everybody was out of control. Unfortunately my helmswoman, while cute and a lot of fun, had never been in a kayak or held a paddle before, and didn't understand the concept of downwind, or that her job was to steer the boat. As a consequence, when we were T-Boned from port and pushed off course, she paddled on the wrong side and turned us broadside to the breeze. That rig cannot handle a reach. So I won a prize for 'most spectacular wipe out' as well as 'most creative entry.' There was one of those RC drones in the air taking video, and I've seen that. I've also seen some really good high quality pictures including a 5 shot rapid series of the actual wipe-out. However the owners of those pics aren't giving them away yet, as they're being sent to Latitude38 and summersailstice.com and who knows where else. I was pretty bummed out about the wipe-out so early in the race, because I could tell that that rig could sail. However, I've been told that we're going to do it again later this summer, just for fun. Wal ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
Geeze, ed, I'm so sorry for your troubles... I think if it were me, I'd call Hansen Marine in mass and see what a new universal would cost... I think the 26hp one was like $8500.00 from some research I did a short time ago... Hansen Marine Eng. Inc. Tioga Way, P.O. Box 1106 Marblehead Business Park Marblehead MA 01945 USA Main Contact(s): Mr. Bob Hansen, Mr. Fred Knowles Phone: (781) 631-3282 Fax: (781) 639-1467 Email: han...@hansenmarine.com Listers, The yard is pulling out the Enterprise’s engine tomorrow. They can’t get it to turn more than 3/4 of the way and they think it’s a bent rod or something. So, as far as I can see, the options are: 1. They ship this engine to a place that can fix/rebuild. I know this is the lowest-priced option, but also am aware that there’s a possibility it can’t be fixed or rebuilt. So, in essence, I’m gambling with all that time and labor. 2. Obtain a remanufactured Universal M-35 or a similar engine from Westerbeke and get that put in — anyone have any clue as to those costs? 3. Obtain a Beta-30 from Beta Marine for $11,000 including shipping and put that in. The Beta guy (who has been enormously helpful) says it should be a perfect match (same mounts, same power, lighter engine) Anyone have any advice, experience or comments with any of these options. If it were you, what would you do? Wanted to get this email out before I threw up. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
Ed, You may want to talk to these guys, they have have taken over the repair business from Mack Boring who is the largest yanmar in the east. These guys are in new jersey near long beach so you could drive the block down to speed repair. Richard – east coast boat transmission – 732-991-0694 George CC 40 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:42 PM To: CC List Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh Listers, The yard is pulling out the Enterprise’s engine tomorrow. They can’t get it to turn more than 3/4 of the way and they think it’s a bent rod or something. So, as far as I can see, the options are: 1. They ship this engine to a place that can fix/rebuild. I know this is the lowest-priced option, but also am aware that there’s a possibility it can’t be fixed or rebuilt. So, in essence, I’m gambling with all that time and labor. 2. Obtain a remanufactured Universal M-35 or a similar engine from Westerbeke and get that put in — anyone have any clue as to those costs? 3. Obtain a Beta-30 from Beta Marine for $11,000 including shipping and put that in. The Beta guy (who has been enormously helpful) says it should be a perfect match (same mounts, same power, lighter engine) Anyone have any advice, experience or comments with any of these options. If it were you, what would you do? Wanted to get this email out before I threw up. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
If you can get the exact same engine I'd do it. It will minimize issues with the engine stringers and mounts, and alignment. I'm assuming you were happy with your existing engine (when it was working.) I replaced my Perkins 4-108, which in my opinion had no business being on this boat, and it was a year long project. So minimizing hassles is important. And just to make you feel better: http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/repower/index.htm Wal you wrote: Anyone have any advice, experience or comments with any of these options. If it were you, what would you do? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
