Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Rick,

I hope (and wish you) that you will sell the (unused) SOLAS flares with you 
last boat you ever own. That would be a really good investment.

Marek 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Rick Brass via CnC-List
Sent: August 27, 2015 19:52
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass
Subject: Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement



The $200 cost of the SOLAS stuff might prove to be the best money I ever spent 
in my life.


Rick Brass
Washington, NC



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of PME via 
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 8:08 AM
To: CnClist 
Cc: PME 
Subject: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement

Hi,

Is anyone familiar with the Sirius Signal SOS Distress light?   The claim is 
that it complies with USCG requirements replacing flares, and that it does not 
expire.  I just read about it from an Active Captain post which includes a 
Defender link for those interested:

    
http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp

I would be interested of anyones experience with these.  Thanks.



-
Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL





___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List Spreader lights

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I had a pocket with a Velcro flap closure added to the forward side of Touché's 
steering pedestal cover. Keep a small flashlight in it for lighting the combo 
lock at night. 

Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 8:49 PM, svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have the Davis light hanging under the dodger for my "porch light". It's 
> not the led style though. Sure helps finding the key hole late at night. 
> 
> Doug Mountjoy
> svPegasus
> LF38
> just west of Ballard, WA.
> 
> 
> -- Original message--
> From: Jack Brennan via CnC-List
> Date: Thu, Aug 27, 2015 09:40
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;
> Cc: Jack Brennan;
> Subject:Re: Stus-List Spreader lights
> 
> Don’t forget about the Davis LED lights with long cords that plug into 
> 12-volt receptacles.
>  
> http://www.davisnet.com/marine/products/marine_product.asp?pnum=03300
>  
> I use one for an anchor light (I’m suspicious that many people don’t see the 
> ones at the top of masts) hanging above the boom that also does a decent job 
> of lighting the cockpit.
>  
> Jack Brennan
> Former C&C 25
> Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>  
> From: PME via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:25 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: PME
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader lights
>  
> I have been real happy at times hanging one of these lights in the cockpits.  
> They have a built-in hanger which can be used all over the boat. I store them 
> hanging on the inside hand rail. They are cheap and often free (with coupon).
>  
>  
> http://www.harborfreight.com/27-led-portable-worklightflashlight-62532.html
> http://www.harborfreight.com/emergency-39-led-triangle-worklight-62158.html 
>  
>  
>  
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C Landfall 38
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
> 
> 
> 
>  
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>>  
>> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:07:44 -0500
>> From: "Dennis C." 
>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader lights
>> Message-ID: <9aa2595b-fa49-4059-a5b8-445456f30...@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> The Admiral and I researched long and hard for a light to illuminate the 
>> cockpit for meals, etc.  We settled on a UST 10 Day Lantern by Ultimate 
>> Survival Technology.  Sells for under $30 on Amazon. 
>> 
>> http://www.ustbrands.com/product/10-day-led-lantern-glo/
>> 
>> Has bright, dim and strobe. We like it.  The light is not harsh. 
>> 
>> Dennis C.
> 
> ___
> 
> Email address:
> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom 
> of page at:
> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
> 
> 
> 
>   
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.  
> www.avast.com
> 
> 
> ___
> 
> Email address:
> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom 
> of page at:
> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
> 
___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

David, 
The shaft of the 34/36 is on centerline. 
Propwash causes the problem you are experiencing. This is normal. BTW, propwash 
is caused by the shaft's downward angle. Saildrives and horizontal shafts have 
zero propwash. On our boat, the pull is half a spoke at full speed, but it 
doesn't take much effort to hold that. Two fingers at most. The autohelm motor 
should adjust the helm to steer that course and idle off, so no power being 
consumed until the course changes. 

I just installed a Raymarine EV-100 and found several differences from the 
ST4000. It's all in the instructions. Check your wire size to be sure you 
haven't used too small a wire that could cause voltage drop. The round trip 
distance between your power source and the device determine voltage drop. My 
power run from the breaker to my ACU is 20 feet. That's a forty foot circuit. 
The fuse in the ACU is 10amps. I ran 12 gauge wire, but some tables indicate 8 
gauge so I may be undersized? The book calls for an 8 gauge ground drain if the 
nearest ground point is more than 3 feet. i plan to test my system this way and 
if I see problems upgrade wire sizes. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "David Knecht via CnC-List"  
To: "CnC CnC discussion list"  
Cc: "David Knecht"  
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 2:18:42 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering 

Hi Bill- I am not sure about the offset. I did not realize that it was a 
possibility. I will have to check this winter when on the hard. I have a vague 
recollection of it not being straight relative to the axis of the boat and that 
might be why. If so, I guess that would explain the pull. Dave 

Aries 
1990 C&C 34+ 
New London, CT 





On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> wrote: 

Is your prop shaft offset so it can be removed past the rudder? 
Bill Coleman 
C&C 39 
From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of David 
Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:44 PM 
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering 
Calling Raymarine was my first action and I am waiting for a call back. But 
what I really want to know from the group is whether the relatively strong pull 
to port while motoring is normal or whether neutral helm is normal. Dave 
Aries 
1990 C&C 34+ 
New London, CT 

 



On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:03 PM, David via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 


yep...call Raymarine 

David F. Risch 
(401) 419-4650 (cell) 


Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:52:24 -0400 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering 
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
CC: davidakne...@gmail.com 

No- It is smooth by hand. No stiffness I have noticed. 
Aries 
1990 C&C 34+ 
New London, CT 

 



On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:50 PM, David via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 


Does the steering hang up at all when the autopilot is disengaged? 

David F. Risch 
1981 40-2 
(401) 419-4650 (cell) 


Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:04:11 -0400 
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Autopilot steering 
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
CC: davidakne...@gmail.com 

I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. 
installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the 
first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring 
(not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat 
drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an 
off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this 
was happening which may be why it cut out. 
I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that 
has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing 
that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously 
fight that pull? Thanks- Dave 
Aries 
1990 C&C 34+ 
New London, CT 

 

___ Email address: 
CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing 
-- go to the bottom of page at: 
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com 
___ 

Email address: 
CnC-List@cnc-list.com 
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at: 
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com 




___ Email address: 
CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing 
-- go to the bottom of page at: 
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com 
___ 

Email address: 
CnC-List@cnc-list.com 
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at: 
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cn

Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Hi Dwight, 

I had a different experience. I mounted my St4000 plus Mk II in 2003 out of the 
box and never adjusted anything, no rudder sensor. It worked fine for 12 years, 
many times it steered over 12 hours when motoring on cruises. Following seas 
under full sail presented a challenge, but we learned to hand steer or adjust 
sailplan down to genoa only. 

It recently lost the output signal for port turn. Nobody around here would look 
at fixing it so I bought a new Raymarine EV-100 system and installed that. It 
included a control unit that has sensors for roll, pitch, and yaw similar to 
airplane systems, so I'm looking for improved performance. Haven't had a chance 
to test it thoroughly. Too many family obligations. Maybe this weekend I'll get 
a chance? 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "dwight veinot via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "dwight"  
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 9:00:13 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering 

David, I can tell you that my Raymarine ST 4000 plus MKII wheel pilot was 
useless until I installed the rudder angle sensor that was supplied with it but 
I am not sure if your new wheel pilot was supplied with a rudder angle sensor.. 
I delayed installing that rudder angle sensor for 2 years because of the the 
difficulty in working below deck on the quadrant of my boat and during that 
time I moved the fluxgate compass forward to a locker below the port settee 
adjacent to the base of the mast and far away from anything magnetic but it 
still wouldn't hold a course. Finally I bit the bullet and wiggled myself and 
the necessary tools back into that cramped dark space to where I could do the 
rudder sensor installation on the quadrant. Once the control head had the 
signal from the rudder sensor the unit worked very well and now aside from it 
working well I also like the readout on the display that tells me my rudder 
angle. I don't quite understand why my wheel pilot required the signal from a 
rudder angle sensor because I thought the unit should be capable of steering a 
course based on compass input alone. This may not apply to you new wheel pilot 
but it does illustrate that everything has to be installed as described to get 
good performance from your wheel pilot so pay attention to where your compass 
is located and make sure all connections are good...you may also have gain and 
response controls on your wheel pilot so also experiment with the settings on 
those for your boat. The little motor that drives the wheel should not feel 
overly warm to touch even after many hours of steering. I am finally very 
pleased with my old Raymarine wheel pilot and very pleased with the repair (one 
blown resistor replaced in the circuit board) that was done by the Raymarine 
service center here in Dartmouth, NS about a month ago. 

Dwight Veinot 
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna 
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS 
d.ve...@bellaliant.net 


On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:04 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 



I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. 
installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the 
first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring 
(not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat 
drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an 
off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this 
was happening which may be why it cut out. 
I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that 
has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing 
that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously 
fight that pull? Thanks- Dave 

Aries 
1990 C&C 34+ 
New London, CT 



___ 

Email address: 
CnC-List@cnc-list.com 
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at: 
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com 







___ 

Email address: 
CnC-List@cnc-list.com 
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at: 
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com 


___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List Spreader lights

[svpegasus38]

I have the Davis light hanging under the dodger for my "porch light". It's 
not the led style though. Sure helps finding the key hole late at night. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA.




-- Original message--From: Jack Brennan via CnC-List Date: Thu, Aug 27, 
2015 09:40To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Jack Brennan;Subject:Re: Stus-List 
Spreader lights
Don’t forget about the Davis LED lights with long cords that plug into 12-volt 
receptacles. 
http://www.davisnet.com/marine/products/marine_product.asp?pnum=03300 I use one 
for an anchor light (I’m suspicious that many people don’t see the ones at the 
top of masts) hanging above the boom that also does a decent job of lighting 
the cockpit.  Jack BrennanFormer C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl. From: PME via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:25 
PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: PME Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader lights I 
have been real happy at times hanging one of these lights in the cockpits.  
They have a built-in hanger which can be used all over the boat. I store them 
hanging on the inside hand rail. They are cheap and often free (with coupon).  
http://www.harborfreight.com/27-led-portable-worklightflashlight-62532.htmlhttp://www.harborfreight.com/emergency-39-led-triangle-worklight-62158.html
-
Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL


   On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com   wrote:     
Date:   Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:07:44 -0500
From:   "Dennis C." 
To:   "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"   
Subject:   Re: Stus-List Spreader lights
Message-ID:   <9aa2595b-fa49-4059-a5b8-445456f30...@gmail.com>
Content-Type:   text/plain; charset="utf-8"

The   Admiral and I researched long and hard for a light to illuminate the 
cockpit   for meals, etc.  We settled on a UST 10 Day Lantern by Ultimate 
Survival   Technology.  Sells for under $30 on Amazon. 

http://www.ustbrands.com/product/10-day-led-lantern-glo/

Has   bright, dim and strobe. We like it.  The light is not harsh. 

Dennis   C.
___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com





This email has been checked for viruses by 
Avast antivirus software.
www.avast.com   


___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List Spreader lights

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

>”… about portable lanterns that I used to use as a kid when camping. They ran 
>off propane and gave off a nice soft light.”

Way back in the early 80’s when I owned an Ericson 30+ and still enjoyed an 
adult beverage or two, a gas powered Coleman camp light and heater played a 
part in being one of those obnoxious transient moorage people that I avoid 
today.

Late one very cold New Year’s day evening, both boats tied up in Port Ludlow WA 
with our wife/GF asleep below, a sailing buddy and I decided we should attempt 
to stay up all night drinking and telling sea stories.  With the wife/GF’s 
below our only acceptable option was to party in the cockpit of the bigger 
boat.  The fact it was currently in the mid 20sF headed for the teens was a 
minor concern so we added a Coleman type camp stove/heater and a gas light to 
our boom box and hot buttered rum supplies.  Frank Zappa was our choice for the 
boom box with the volume set low.  We had a tea kettle set on top of the 
Coleman heater to keep our constant supply of hot buttered rums, hot.

Somewhere around 0200 hours we noticed a guy opening the sliding glass doors on 
a Bayliner that was a few boat lengths away.  He headed out onto the dock and 
began untying his boat to move it.  Being mostly drunk and feeling magnanimous 
we jumped up to assist.  As we were helping him move as far away as he could 
without getting underway he mumbled something about having difficulty with the 
shore power.  We cheerfully re-tied up his frozen mooring lines and wished him 
a good night.  In retrospect and the cold light of the morning I expect his 
wife had grown tired of our sea stories with a Frank Zappa musical score. 
(Frank’s double album rock opera “Joe’s Garage” was the current choice.)  The 
power boater’s mumbled comment regarding the shore power undoubtedly was chosen 
to avoid confronting two drunk sailors dumb enough to spend hours drinking 
outside in freezing weather.

About the time the Myers rum bottle was more than ½ gone we started to discuss 
how great it would be to go sailing through the cold air “smoke” wafting across 
the inlet.  Fortunately we were not able to figure out how to get underway 
without waking either wife/GF.  This undoubtedly saved us from some sort of 
serious trouble relating to hypothermia or attempting to sail while cold and 
drunk.  We were able to write some season’s greetings in the frost on the dock 
in honor of Frank Zappa’s hit song “Watch out were the huskies go, don’t you 
eat yellow snow”.

Sadly we did not achieve our goal to staying awake and on deck until the sun 
came up.  We hit the cold and drunk wall around 0530 with an estimated sunrise 
of 0700.  We retired to our respective boats/bunks and a much needed sleeping 
bag.  Around 1000 hours my in-laws show up to drive us to Port Townsend for 
breakfast and shopping.  I’m told the father-in-law pushed open the 
companionway slider and asked “what’s that smell?” to which my wife responded 
“that’s just Martin, he was up late drinking”.  So, very hung over, maybe still 
buzzed I found myself in a restaurant ordering coffee and a bloody Mary and 
contemplating what tasty breakfast food might be a good choice.  After a bleary 
breakfast we started the Port Townsend antique shopping mall circuit.  I made 
it about two stores before stating “I will be sitting at the Town Tavern, come 
find me when you are finished” and beat a hasty retreat.  It all worked out 
well as the father-in-law showed up a while later and we “bonded” over a few 
beers.

BTW, proving that SSMS* (Sailor’s Short Memory Syndrome) exists, that same 
sailing/drinking buddy and I had many, many other great adventures involving 
drinking around the waterfront up until we both became parents in the early 90s 
and shelved the Myers rum.  (*SSMS has also been diagnosed when a sailor goes 
back to sea after a particular nasty trip.)

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

[Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: 
cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 9:26 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Indigo
Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader lights

This has got me thinking about portable lanterns that I used to use as a kid 
when camping. They ran off propane and gave off a nice soft light. Looks like 
Coleman make something similar. The advantage would be that I can use my grill 
propane cylinders.
___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Paul;

 

I've not had experience with this particular device. Though I have
experience with similar devices used on the tour boats on which I crew, and
actually have an ACR version of this n my own boat.

 

But I have some serious reservations about making my own life and the lives
of anyone I cared about dependent on just this light and the accompanying
flag. I know I'm going to sound like a curmudgeon. Please take it as a
severe case of ARSS.

 

What I see as interesting in this is the high intensity LED that flashes SOS
for up to 6 hours. I can see it being really useful to throw it overboard in
an MOB situation to help locate the MOB.

 

It "meets the USCG minimum requirements for a night distress signal". Then
again, so does a 12ga pistol flare. Which burns for 7 seconds and give off,
what?, 700 candella at a height of about 200 feet? Honestly, you can buy
bottle rockets for the 4th of July that go higher and are much brighter that
12ga flares. Do you really want to stake lives on a 12ga flare? High,
bright, big, and loud gets peoples' attention. That's what you want when you
need help.

 

And the orange flag is your day signal. There are a lot of racers here on
the list. Just how far away from the committee boat can you see and
recognize the class flag or P flag when it gets raised? 300 yards? A quarter
mile? Do you really think a 36x36 orange flag with an exclamation mark on it
is going to be that much more visible?

 

I really discount the 10 mile visibility claim. Remember you are going to
float it in the water or hold it over your head. SO it's probably going to
be max 8 or 9 feet above the water. From 8 feet the horizon is 2.7 mile away
in a flat sea. An observer - a really observant one - whose height of eye is
also 8 feet above the water could theoretically see the light from 5.4 miles
away.

 

The similar devices I've experienced fall into two types. Flashing lights
that, when put in the water, float with the light on top and flash for
several days. Very similar in nature to this device. These are attached to
liferafts and to any gear we have available to throw overboard in a MOB
situation and are intended to aid in SAR. 

 

The other type are "flashing spotlights" that send out SOS in a focused
beam. I have an ACR distress light on Imzadi. I can point a really bright
beam at another boat (or a search plane) within sight - or at the bridge of
an oncoming vessel- and have a good chance it will be noticed. It is not,
however, worth diddly for sending out a general "help" message.  BTW, I have
a really nice West Marine LED spotlight with rechargeable lithium battery
that I got for under $50 (on sale, normally $69). It also sends out SOS, and
was a lot cheaper than the ACR lamp.

 

>From some comments I understand that "low cost" is one of the attractions of
the SOS light.  Every three years I go to Walmart or West Marine during the
annual spring sale and buy a new set of the pathetic USCG flares (not the
shotgun shells). This spring the cost was up to something like $28 during
the sale IIRC. In 9 years I've spent the cost of the SOS light on sale.  I
keep 12 USCG flares, and 3 or 4 USCG smokes on my boat (with the outdated
ones being in a separate box to placate the CG inspector. So I figure I have
somewhere near a dozen opportunities to signal for help if the need arises.

 

Plus I also have 2 SOLAS parachute flares and 2 SOLAS smoke canisters on the
boat just in case I REALLY need to get someone's attention. When the SOLAS
flare goes off at 2000 feet or so altitude, and 25,000 candella of light
turns the night into NOON, everyone within miles who is not blind is going
to notice. The $200 cost of the SOLAS stuff might prove to be the best money
I ever spent in my life.

 

I'll get off my soapbox now.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of PME via
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 8:08 AM
To: CnClist 
Cc: PME 
Subject: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement

 

Hi,

 

Is anyone familiar with the Sirius Signal SOS Distress light?   The claim is
that it complies with USCG requirements replacing flares, and that it does
not expire.  I just read about it from an Active Captain post which includes
a Defender link for those interested:

 

 
http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp

 

I would be interested of anyones experience with these.  Thanks.

 

 

 

-
Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL





 

 

___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List Spreader lights

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I have one of those as well.  Use it as a low anchor light for drunken
rednecks on party barges.

Don't like it for cockpit illumination.  Prefer the UST 10 day mentioned in
my last post.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Jack Brennan via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Don’t forget about the Davis LED lights with long cords that plug into
> 12-volt receptacles.
>
> http://www.davisnet.com/marine/products/marine_product.asp?pnum=03300
>
> I use one for an anchor light (I’m suspicious that many people don’t see
> the ones at the top of masts) hanging above the boom that also does a
> decent job of lighting the cockpit.
>
> Jack Brennan
> Former C&C 25
> Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>
> *From:* PME via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:25 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* PME 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Spreader lights
>
> I have been real happy at times hanging one of these lights in the
> cockpits.  They have a built-in hanger which can be used all over the boat.
> I store them hanging on the inside hand rail. They are cheap and often free
> (with coupon).
>
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/27-led-portable-worklightflashlight-62532.html
> http://www.harborfreight.com/emergency-39-led-triangle-worklight-62158.html
>
>
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C Landfall 38
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:07:44 -0500
> From: "Dennis C." 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader lights
> Message-ID: <9aa2595b-fa49-4059-a5b8-445456f30...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> The Admiral and I researched long and hard for a light to illuminate the
> cockpit for meals, etc.  We settled on a UST 10 Day Lantern by Ultimate
> Survival Technology.  Sells for under $30 on Amazon.
>
> http://www.ustbrands.com/product/10-day-led-lantern-glo/
>
> Has bright, dim and strobe. We like it.  The light is not harsh.
>
> Dennis C.
>
>
> --
> ___
>
> Email address:
> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the
> bottom of page at:
> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
>
>
>
> --
> [image: Avast logo] 
>
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> www.avast.com
>
>
> ___
>
> Email address:
> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the
> bottom of page at:
> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
>
>
>
___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List Some more questions concerning TRILIGHT LED'S

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I installed a tricolor at the masthead on Imzadi a few years ago. And put an
LED bulb in it that I bought from Marine Beam. I was in the process, at the
time, of replacing all my incandescent nav lights and deck lights with LEDs.

 

When I bought the bulb I had a longish conversation with Marine Beam (one of
the owner's, I think) about the LED bulbs I would need. You see, I wanted
the higher intensity bulbs appropriate for a 20 meter boat instead of the
bulbs used in a boat up to 12 meters.

 

The point of the nav lights is, after all, to be seen. Brighter would be
better. And why go to the expense of putting a light at the masthead so it
can be seen from far away, and then installing a bulb with the intensity to
be seen for only a mile (or less)?

 

There proved to be a couple of considerations, and here is what was
explained to me:

 

The 2 mile nav lights for a boat between 12 and 20 meters normally use a 25
watt white incandescent bulb. (1 mile lights are 10 watts) As you say it is
an indexed bulb in the masthead tri-color and anchor lights. The
incandescent bulb puts out about the same intensity of light in every
direction and across a wide range of wavelengths, so you get an appropriate
intensity of output from the nav light whether the bulb is behind a red,
green, or translucent lens. And whether the positive terminal of the socket
is on the right, left, front, or back of the light.

 

But a white LED is limited in output in some frequencies, and the colored
lens would absorb most of the energy. So a white LED behind a red or green
lens is unlikely to be bright enough to reach the visibility standards in
the COLREGS. Green is worse than red, BTW. So for an LED bulb you need to
put a green LED behind a green lens, red behind red, and white behind white.

 

I was asked about the brand of light I was using, and learned that the
indexed socket in the Hella (which I have) and the Perko lights are oriented
180 degrees apart. With a white incandescent it makes no difference how the
bulb gets oriented. In order to ensure the green LEDs are behind the green
lens in a tri-color light, though, you need to construct the bulb so the
pins match the orientation of the socket. Hence different bulbs for Hella
and Perko, even though they use the same array of LEDs in both bulbs. Maybe
the Aqua Signal light has a third orientation. 

 

I also learned there are certain bulbs which are not available in the
intensity I wanted. For example, there are red and green series 90 LED bulbs
for the "eye" lights on my 38. But they only came in the 1 mile visibility
configuration. (Though that could have changed by now.) The small size  of
the bulb did not allow room for the LEDs and circuitry required for the
higher light output. I figured the "eyes" were only about 4 feet off the
water so waves and the curvature of the earth would limit the range at which
they could be seen anyway, so the lower intensity bulbs were adequate.

 

And, BTW, I've never had any RF interference from any of the LED bulbs I got
from Marine Beam.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alex
Giannelia via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 8:28 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Alex Giannelia 
Subject: Stus-List Some more questions concerning TRILIGHT LED'S

 

So,  Thanks to listers and the WEB, I see that DR LED produces trilight
LED's to replace the bulbs in HELLA, PERKO and AQUASIGNAL.  My light is a
PERKO with what looks like a very standard indexed incandescent bulb. Does
anyone know for sure that the POLAR STAR 40 bulb will fit?

 

Also, another lister mentioned RF Interference with his VHF radio when using
the LED bulb.  Has anyone else experienced the same?

 

Just wondering because it looks promising, but at $40.00 a pop, I want it to
work.

 

Thanks,

 


Alex Giannelia

a...@airsensing.com  

(416) 203-9858

 

___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Stus-List Spreader lights

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

I just bought one those : 
http://www.lowes.com/pd_23564-14488-SBQ-3998-CU_0__?productId=3318292  For 
less than 10 bucks @ Home Depot 

It's impressively made for being this cheap.  Has a nice machined aluminum 
clamp and machined aluminum (anodized red) for the cap with a built-in 
waterproof switch. 

I clamp it above the boom on my split backstay and it illuminates the 
whole cockpit very nicely.  It's brash  / very bright led's if you stare 
at it directly but since it's mounted about 7 feet up on the backstay by 
the time the light gets to the cockpit surface It makes a nice soft glow 
off the gelcoat. 

One of my buddies installed those 
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Brinkmann-Premium-Grill-Light-812-1087-S/204398701 
 on either side of his rear pulpit, he says they provide excellent 
lighting and you don't look at the LED directly they are mounted low.. 

There are literally hundreds of different styles and most for less than 20 
bucks..   That's one boat item you can get that is refreshingly nice for 
little money


-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA



___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List Spreader lights

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

The purpose of spreader lights is to light up the deck at night, as when
doing things like reefing the main. I also use mine to light up the deck
when at the dock and taking aboard passengers or loading/unloading gear. My
"spreader" lights are Forespar lights that attach to the mast instead of
under the spreaders. I believe they were originally 10 watt lights, but I've
replaced the incandescent bulbs with LEDs that produce about the same level
of light.

I also have a combination foredeck and steaming light mounted higher on the
front of the mast. The foredeck light gets used when working on the foredeck
to set or retrieve the anchor or to rig/douse the asymmetrical spinnaker.
IIRC it was 20 watts and has also  been changed to an LED with a  reflector.
Gives bright work light on the foredeck, but pretty useless for lighting the
side decks and further aft, and has no value whatsoever when at the dock.

I did discover another use for the foredeck light one night on a friend's
boat when his steaming light was out. The foredeck light reflected pretty
strongly off the top of his radar dome, and lit up the headsail when motor
sailing. SO we ran it as a temporary substitute for the inop steaming light.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradley
Lumgair via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 2:07 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bradley Lumgair 
Subject: Stus-List Spreader lights

This has been bothering me all summer, there are wires hanging out of my
mast just under the spreaders (first set) it's obvious that someone has
removed the original spreader lights. I've been looking online at the
multitude of LED spreader lights available, and am wondering just how useful
they are, especially when they are so incredibly bright. What do you have?
Do you use them? Are they only used when at the slip? Would a spotlight or
two be more useful up there? I think I saw a red/white combo light
somewhere, would that be a better choice? 
Thanks
Brad
1985 C&C 33 MKII "Pulse"
Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, 
from my iPad!
___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom
of page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com


___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I was racing that night (our annual night race). It was spectacular, but not by 
nature. They were testing a rocket out of Wallops Island and it went into the 
clouds and was set up to drop some kind of heated elements into the cloud and 
make rain (or so we were told). 

A mention of it was in the local paper a couple of days later. I guess you 
could have called all night - it was not announced.

Gary
St. Michaels
  - Original Message - 
  From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
  To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
  Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:08 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement


  I had an old 25 MM flare explode in the gun instead of launch. 

  Also note SOLAS flares are on a whole different planet in terms of 
brightness, reliability, and longevity. The only reason IMHO to ever buy 
non-SOLAS flares is because you need to fulfill the letter of USCG regs and 
never ever intend to use them.

   

  Speaking of using them, IMHO they are a terrible way to get help. They are 
useful for leading a rescuer to you that is in the area looking for you and we 
also discovered someone wanting to play junior pirate found something better to 
do after I put a 25 MM magnesium flare a foot over his head. If you are ever 
reduced to using flares for an initial distress signal, one is USELESS. 3 is 
about the minimum and 5 or 6 would be better. One night I was headed home from 
Saint Michaels and saw a meteor flare. I reported it to the USCG. They asked 
about range and bearing. They thought about it for about 20 minutes and put out 
a PAN call asking if anyone else had seen it. 30 minutes after that was another 
PAN call. So now we are about an hour later and no actual SAR is going on.

   

  Joe Della Barba

  Coquina

   

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina 
- gmail via CnC-List
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:51 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: Bill Bina - gmail
  Subject: Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement

   

  Controlled testing has proven that flares gradually lose ignition/launch 
reliability, and burn time as they age. Old flares may not fly as high, burn as 
bright, or have other deficits. It is not an arbitrary punishment intended to 
make flare manufacturers wealthy. I'm pretty sure milk has a much shorter shelf 
life than flares...

  Bill Bina

  On 8/27/2015 12:35 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Marek,

I too like the idea of having the approved light and day marker as 
qualifiers to the regulation and keeping a stock of flares aboard. My recent 
kit of flares were manufactured in July, four years ago. That means an extra 
$120 spent to go sailing that I could have used to buy beer. :)

I would like to know how the pointy heads came up with a "best before date" 
of 4 years for these things. It's not milk for crying out loud!

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

   



--


  ___

  Email address:
  CnC-List@cnc-list.com
  To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom 
of page at:
  http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I had an old 25 MM flare explode in the gun instead of launch.
Also note SOLAS flares are on a whole different planet in terms of brightness, 
reliability, and longevity. The only reason IMHO to ever buy non-SOLAS flares 
is because you need to fulfill the letter of USCG regs and never ever intend to 
use them.

Speaking of using them, IMHO they are a terrible way to get help. They are 
useful for leading a rescuer to you that is in the area looking for you and we 
also discovered someone wanting to play junior pirate found something better to 
do after I put a 25 MM magnesium flare a foot over his head. If you are ever 
reduced to using flares for an initial distress signal, one is USELESS. 3 is 
about the minimum and 5 or 6 would be better. One night I was headed home from 
Saint Michaels and saw a meteor flare. I reported it to the USCG. They asked 
about range and bearing. They thought about it for about 20 minutes and put out 
a PAN call asking if anyone else had seen it. 30 minutes after that was another 
PAN call. So now we are about an hour later and no actual SAR is going on.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina - 
gmail via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Bina - gmail
Subject: Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement

Controlled testing has proven that flares gradually lose ignition/launch 
reliability, and burn time as they age. Old flares may not fly as high, burn as 
bright, or have other deficits. It is not an arbitrary punishment intended to 
make flare manufacturers wealthy. I'm pretty sure milk has a much shorter shelf 
life than flares...

Bill Bina
On 8/27/2015 12:35 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote:
Hi Marek,

I too like the idea of having the approved light and day marker as qualifiers 
to the regulation and keeping a stock of flares aboard. My recent kit of flares 
were manufactured in July, four years ago. That means an extra $120 spent to go 
sailing that I could have used to buy beer. :)

I would like to know how the pointy heads came up with a "best before date" of 
4 years for these things. It's not milk for crying out loud!

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

Controlled testing has proven that flares gradually lose ignition/launch 
reliability, and burn time as they age. Old flares may not fly as high, 
burn as bright, or have other deficits. It is not an arbitrary 
punishment intended to make flare manufacturers wealthy. I'm pretty sure 
milk has a much shorter shelf life than flares...


Bill Bina

On 8/27/2015 12:35 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Marek,

I too like the idea of having the approved light and day marker as 
qualifiers to the regulation and keeping a stock of flares aboard. My 
recent kit of flares were manufactured in July, four years ago. That 
means an extra $120 spent to go sailing that I could have used to buy 
beer. :)


I would like to know how the pointy heads came up with a "best before 
date" of 4 years for these things. It's not milk for crying out loud!


Cheers, Russ
/Sweet /35 mk-1



___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List Spreader lights

[Jack Brennan via CnC-List]

Don’t forget about the Davis LED lights with long cords that plug into 12-volt 
receptacles.

http://www.davisnet.com/marine/products/marine_product.asp?pnum=03300

I use one for an anchor light (I’m suspicious that many people don’t see the 
ones at the top of masts) hanging above the boom that also does a decent job of 
lighting the cockpit.

Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.

From: PME via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:25 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: PME
Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader lights

I have been real happy at times hanging one of these lights in the cockpits.  
They have a built-in hanger which can be used all over the boat. I store them 
hanging on the inside hand rail. They are cheap and often free (with coupon).


http://www.harborfreight.com/27-led-portable-worklightflashlight-62532.html
http://www.harborfreight.com/emergency-39-led-triangle-worklight-62158.html



-
Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL






  On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

  Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:07:44 -0500
  From: "Dennis C." 
  To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader lights
  Message-ID: <9aa2595b-fa49-4059-a5b8-445456f30...@gmail.com>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

  The Admiral and I researched long and hard for a light to illuminate the 
cockpit for meals, etc.  We settled on a UST 10 Day Lantern by Ultimate 
Survival Technology.  Sells for under $30 on Amazon.

  http://www.ustbrands.com/product/10-day-led-lantern-glo/

  Has bright, dim and strobe. We like it.  The light is not harsh.

  Dennis C.





___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com



---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
http://www.avast.com
___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Marek,

I too like the idea of having the approved light 
and day marker as qualifiers to the regulation 
and keeping a stock of flares aboard. My recent 
kit of flares were manufactured in July, four 
years ago. That means an extra $120 spent to go 
sailing that I could have used to buy beer. :)


I would like to know how the pointy heads came up 
with a "best before date" of 4 years for these 
things. It's not milk for crying out loud!


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 06:05 AM 27/08/2015, you wrote:
I have to make a disclaimer first: I don’t 
sail any longer in the area or conditions that 
would give me a personal experience or exposure to such conditions, but...


If you read e.g. the “Surviving the Storm” 
by Steve and Linda Dashew you can find there 
some interesting observations on how to be seen. 
They claim, based on comments form Coast Guard 
fliers that most of the lights onboard can be 
visible (in heavy conditions – overcast, rain 
etc.) from only about 100 –150 m above the 
surface. If you fly higher (and you normally 
do), you want something that is visible higher. 
This probably means some parachute flares and 
orange smoke flares (for daylight).


One may buy the strobe light as a way to pass 
the Coast Guard inspection, but one may want to 
keep some flares in case of a real emergency. 
Maybe this is a suspenders and a belt approach, 
but you want to really easily visible if you are in distress.


just a thought...

Marek

From: Indigo via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 6:04 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Indigo
Subject: Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement

I just checked this out with a friend who is 
intimately familiar with uscg regs. (He runs 
Safe Boating course in CT). This is what he told 
me. "I have not seen it myself but I would not 
be surprised if it was acceptable

because it is really just an approved SOS night signal.  The orange flag
acts as the day signal.
See below link indicating that the SOS light is an approved night signal.
The new twist is the LED light.
http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/cg5214/vds.asp

Personally I would not want to rely on an orange 
flag during the day to attract help so would be 
buying orange smoke flares - so might as well 
buy the flares approved for day and night !!


--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

On Aug 26, 2015, at 08:07, PME via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:



Hi,

Is anyone familiar with the Sirius Signal SOS 
Distress light?   The claim is that it complies 
with USCG requirements replacing flares, and 
that it does not expire.  I just read about it 
from an Active Captain post which includes a 
Defender link for those interested:


http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp

I would be interested of anyones experience with these.  Thanks.



-
Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL




___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List Spreader lights

[Indigo via CnC-List]

This has got me thinking about portable lanterns that I used to use as a kid 
when camping. They ran off propane and gave off a nice soft light. Looks like 
Coleman make something similar. The advantage would be that I can use my grill 
propane cylinders  

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 09:07, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> The Admiral and I researched long and hard for a light to illuminate the 
> cockpit for meals, etc.  We settled on a UST 10 Day Lantern by Ultimate 
> Survival Technology.  Sells for under $30 on Amazon. 
> 
> http://www.ustbrands.com/product/10-day-led-lantern-glo/
> 
> Has bright, dim and strobe. We like it.  The light is not harsh. 
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 4:28 AM, jtsails via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I like the idea of being able to select red or white. right now I just hang 
>> a battery-powered camping lantern from the underside of the bimini but I’m 
>> thinking of something that’s permanently mounted.
>> James
>> Delaney
>> C&C 38 Mk11
>> Oriental, NC
>>  
>>  
>> From: William Hall via CnC-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 9:49 PM
>> To: cnc-list
>> Cc: William Hall
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader lights
>>  
>> I had dinner on a friend's very nice boat on Friday.  He had rigged a small 
>> light on the bottom of the boom which lit up the cockpit very nicely.
>> Bill Hall
>> Starfire
>>  
>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 8:41 PM, jtsails via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Earlier this year I changed out my old perko combo steaming/foredeck light 
>>> for a marinebeam combo. The marinebeam LED is awesome, the old light really 
>>> didn’t illuminate the foredeck at all (it was 39 years old) and the new 
>>> light is so bright it throws shadows. the only problem I have is the new 
>>> light is so well focused that it doesn’t light the back half of the boat at 
>>> all so now I’m trying to decide between spreader lights or a small LED 
>>> fixture to light the floor of the cockpit. I don’t won’t anything too 
>>> bright so I’m almost convinced that I will install a small dimmable LED 
>>> fixture in the cockpit to light the floor.
>>> James
>>> Delaney
>>> C&C 38 Mk11
>>> Oriental, NC
>>>  
>>> From: Dennis C. via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 8:22 PM
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Cc: Dennis C.
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader lights
>>>  
>>> Ditto. With foredeck light I don't see need for spreader lights.
>>>  
>>> Dennis C.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Alan Bergen via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 
 I use a Forespar, combination bow light/deck light.  The bow light for 
 motoring at night, and the deck light taking the place of actual spreader 
 lights.  I they're not LED, but I rarely use either of them when not 
 motoring or powered up in a moorage.
  
 Alan Bergen
 35 Mk III Thirsty
 Rose City YC
 Portland, OR
  
 This has been bothering me all summer, there are wires hanging out of my 
 mast just under the spreaders (first set) it's obvious that someone has 
 removed the original spreader lights. I've been looking online at the 
 multitude of LED spreader lights available, and am wondering just how 
 useful they are, especially when they are so incredibly bright. What do 
 you have? Do you use them? Are they only used when at the slip? Would a 
 spotlight or two be more useful up there? I think I saw a red/white combo 
 light somewhere, would that be a better choice? 
 Thanks
 Brad
 1985 C&C 33 MKII "Pulse"
 Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, 
 from my iPad!
 ___
 
 Email address:
 CnC-List@cnc-list.com
 To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the 
 bottom of page at:
 http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
>>> ___
>>> 
>>> Email address:
>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the 
>>> bottom of page at:
>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> 
>>> Email address:
>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the 
>>> bottom of page at:
>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> -- 
>> William D. Hall, Ph.D.
>> 617 620 9078 (c)
>> wh...@alum.mit.edu
>> ___
>> 
>> Email address:
>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom 
>> of page at:
>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
>> 
>> ___
>> 
>> Email address:
>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
>> To change your list preferences, including unsu

Re: Stus-List Spreader lights

[PME via CnC-List]

I have been real happy at times hanging one of these lights in the cockpits.  
They have a built-in hanger which can be used all over the boat. I store them 
hanging on the inside hand rail. They are cheap and often free (with coupon).


http://www.harborfreight.com/27-led-portable-worklightflashlight-62532.html
http://www.harborfreight.com/emergency-39-led-triangle-worklight-62158.html 



-
Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL




> On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:07:44 -0500
> From: "Dennis C." mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com " 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader lights
> Message-ID: <9aa2595b-fa49-4059-a5b8-445456f30...@gmail.com 
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> The Admiral and I researched long and hard for a light to illuminate the 
> cockpit for meals, etc.  We settled on a UST 10 Day Lantern by Ultimate 
> Survival Technology.  Sells for under $30 on Amazon. 
> 
> http://www.ustbrands.com/product/10-day-led-lantern-glo/ 
> 
> 
> Has bright, dim and strobe. We like it.  The light is not harsh. 
> 
> Dennis C.

___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List Xantrex Pro-sine 2.0

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Bill — maybe try a call to these guys:

Inverter Service Center
102 SCT Drive
White House, TN 37188

800-621-1271

http://inverterservicecenter.com 

See if they can help you diagnose/repair this.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:03 AM, William Hall via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> 
> My boat came with this nicely installed Xantrex Pro-sine 2.0 
> inverter/charger.  The thing worked great but is now producing a "memory 
> error" message on the remote display, and won't invert or charge any more.  
> Xantrex no longer provides parts for it.
> 
> Does anyone out there have one that failed in a different way?  I'd be 
> interested in parts to see if I can get some combination working.  I don't 
> use it enough to merit putting in a new unit.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill Hall
> Starfire
> 1985 C&C 37
> Ludington, MI
___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Stus-List Xantrex Pro-sine 2.0

[William Hall via CnC-List]

Hi List,

My boat came with this nicely installed Xantrex Pro-sine 2.0
inverter/charger.  The thing worked great but is now producing a "memory
error" message on the remote display, and won't invert or charge any more.
Xantrex no longer provides parts for it.

Does anyone out there have one that failed in a different way?  I'd be
interested in parts to see if I can get some combination working.  I don't
use it enough to merit putting in a new unit.

Thanks,
Bill Hall
Starfire
1985 C&C 37
Ludington, MI
___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List Spreader lights

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

The Admiral and I researched long and hard for a light to illuminate the 
cockpit for meals, etc.  We settled on a UST 10 Day Lantern by Ultimate 
Survival Technology.  Sells for under $30 on Amazon. 

http://www.ustbrands.com/product/10-day-led-lantern-glo/

Has bright, dim and strobe. We like it.  The light is not harsh. 

Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 4:28 AM, jtsails via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I like the idea of being able to select red or white. right now I just hang a 
> battery-powered camping lantern from the underside of the bimini but I’m 
> thinking of something that’s permanently mounted.
> James
> Delaney
> C&C 38 Mk11
> Oriental, NC
>  
>  
> From: William Hall via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 9:49 PM
> To: cnc-list
> Cc: William Hall
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader lights
>  
> I had dinner on a friend's very nice boat on Friday.  He had rigged a small 
> light on the bottom of the boom which lit up the cockpit very nicely.
> Bill Hall
> Starfire
>  
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 8:41 PM, jtsails via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Earlier this year I changed out my old perko combo steaming/foredeck
>> light for a marinebeam combo. The marinebeam LED is awesome, the old light 
>> really didn’t illuminate the foredeck at all (it was 39 years old) and the 
>> new light is so bright it throws shadows. the only problem I have is the new 
>> light is so well focused that it doesn’t light the back half of the boat at 
>> all so now I’m trying to decide between spreader lights or a small LED 
>> fixture to light the floor of the cockpit. I don’t won’t anything too bright 
>> so I’m almost convinced that I will install a small dimmable LED fixture in 
>> the cockpit to light the floor.
>> James
>> Delaney
>> C&C 38 Mk11
>> Oriental, NC
>>  
>> From: Dennis C. via CnC-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 8:22 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Dennis C.
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader lights
>>  
>> Ditto. With foredeck light I don't see need for spreader lights.
>>  
>> Dennis C.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Alan Bergen via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use a Forespar, combination bow light/deck light.  The bow light for 
>>> motoring at night, and the deck light taking the place of actual spreader 
>>> lights.  I they're not LED, but I rarely use either of them when not 
>>> motoring or powered up in a moorage.
>>>  
>>> Alan Bergen
>>> 35 Mk III Thirsty
>>> Rose City YC
>>> Portland, OR
>>>  
>>> This has been bothering me all summer, there are wires hanging out of my 
>>> mast just under the spreaders (first set) it's obvious that someone has 
>>> removed the original spreader lights. I've been looking online at the 
>>> multitude of LED spreader lights available, and am wondering just how 
>>> useful they are, especially when they are so incredibly bright. What do you 
>>> have? Do you use them? Are they only used when at the slip? Would a 
>>> spotlight or two be more useful up there? I think I saw a red/white combo 
>>> light somewhere, would that be a better choice? 
>>> Thanks
>>> Brad
>>> 1985 C&C 33 MKII "Pulse"
>>> Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, 
>>> from my iPad!
>>> ___
>>> 
>>> Email address:
>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the 
>>> bottom of page at:
>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
>> ___
>> 
>> Email address:
>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom 
>> of page at:
>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> 
>> Email address:
>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom 
>> of page at:
>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
> 
> 
>  
> -- 
> William D. Hall, Ph.D.
> 617 620 9078 (c)
> wh...@alum.mit.edu
> ___
> 
> Email address:
> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom 
> of page at:
> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
> 
> ___
> 
> Email address:
> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom 
> of page at:
> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
> 
___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I have to make a disclaimer first: I don’t sail any longer in the area or 
conditions that would give me a personal experience or exposure to such 
conditions, but...

If you read e.g. the “Surviving the Storm” by Steve and Linda Dashew you can 
find there some interesting observations on how to be seen. They claim, based 
on comments form Coast Guard fliers that most of the lights onboard can be 
visible (in heavy conditions – overcast, rain etc.) from only about 100 –150 m 
above the surface. If you fly higher (and you normally do), you want something 
that is visible higher. This probably means some parachute flares and orange 
smoke flares (for daylight).

One may buy the strobe light as a way to pass the Coast Guard inspection, but 
one may want to keep some flares in case of a real emergency. Maybe this is a 
suspenders and a belt approach, but you want to really easily visible if you 
are in distress.

just a thought...

Marek

From: Indigo via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 6:04 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Indigo 
Subject: Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement

I just checked this out with a friend who is intimately familiar with uscg 
regs. (He runs Safe Boating course in CT). This is what he told me. "I have not 
seen it myself but I would not be surprised if it was acceptable
because it is really just an approved SOS night signal.  The orange flag
acts as the day signal.
See below link indicating that the SOS light is an approved night signal.
The new twist is the LED light.   
http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/cg5214/vds.asp

Personally I would not want to rely on an orange flag during the day to attract 
help so would be buying orange smoke flares - so might as well buy the flares 
approved for day and night !!


--
Jonathan 
Indigo C&C 35III

SOUTHPORT CT

On Aug 26, 2015, at 08:07, PME via CnC-List  wrote:


  Hi, 

  Is anyone familiar with the Sirius Signal SOS Distress light?   The claim is 
that it complies with USCG requirements replacing flares, and that it does not 
expire.  I just read about it from an Active Captain post which includes a 
Defender link for those interested:

  http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp

  I would be interested of anyones experience with these.  Thanks.



  -
  Paul E.
  1981 C&C Landfall 38
  S/V Johanna Rose
  Carrabelle, FL






  ___

  Email address:
  CnC-List@cnc-list.com
  To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom 
of page at:
  http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com





___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

David, I can tell you that my Raymarine ST 4000 plus MKII wheel pilot was
useless until I installed the rudder angle sensor that was supplied with it
but I am not sure if your new wheel pilot was supplied with a rudder angle
sensor..  I delayed installing that rudder angle sensor for 2 years because
of the the difficulty in working below deck on the quadrant of my boat and
during that time I moved the fluxgate compass forward to a locker below the
port settee adjacent to the base of the mast and far away from anything
magnetic but it still wouldn't hold a course.  Finally I bit the bullet and
wiggled myself and the necessary tools back into that cramped dark space to
where I could do the rudder sensor installation on the quadrant.  Once the
control head had the signal from the rudder sensor the unit worked very
well and now aside from it working well I also like the readout on the
display that tells me my rudder angle.  I don't quite understand why my
wheel pilot required the signal from a rudder angle sensor because I
thought the unit should be capable of steering a course based on compass
input alone.  This may not apply to you new wheel pilot but it does
illustrate that everything has to be installed as described to get good
performance from your wheel pilot so pay attention to where your compass is
located and make sure all connections are good...you may also have gain and
response controls on your wheel pilot so also experiment with the settings
on those for your boat.  The little motor that drives the wheel should not
feel overly warm to touch even after many hours of steering. I am finally
very pleased with my old Raymarine wheel pilot and very pleased with the
repair (one blown resistor replaced in the circuit board) that was done by
the Raymarine service center here in Dartmouth, NS about a month ago.

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:04 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many
> hours.   installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and
> this was the first extended use.  I found that it was frequently cutting
> out while motoring (not sailing).  The unit would simply freeze up and stop
> steering while the boat drifted slowly off course.  No error on the P70
> controller screen until I got an off course warning.  I also noticed the
> wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this was happening which may be why it
> cut out.
> I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel
> that has to be fought to keep the boat going straight.  Is that normal?  I
> am guessing that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to
> continuously fight that pull?  Thanks- Dave
>
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
>
> ___
>
> Email address:
> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the
> bottom of page at:
> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
>
>
>
___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

David

Pull to port under power is normal given fin keel (reduced lateral stability
from a full keel), prop offset to port and clockwise prop spin.  Not a big
issue.  I just steer accordingly or set the wheel brake with a bit of
tension and the wheel a few degrees to starboard


John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT 


---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement

[Indigo via CnC-List]

I just checked this out with a friend who is intimately familiar with uscg 
regs. (He runs Safe Boating course in CT). This is what he told me. "I have not 
seen it myself but I would not be surprised if it was acceptable
because it is really just an approved SOS night signal.  The orange flag
acts as the day signal.
See below link indicating that the SOS light is an approved night signal.
The new twist is the LED light.   
http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/cg5214/vds.asp

Personally I would not want to rely on an orange flag during the day to attract 
help so would be buying orange smoke flares - so might as well buy the flares 
approved for day and night !!

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Aug 26, 2015, at 08:07, PME via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is anyone familiar with the Sirius Signal SOS Distress light?   The claim is 
> that it complies with USCG requirements replacing flares, and that it does 
> not expire.  I just read about it from an Active Captain post which includes 
> a Defender link for those interested:
> 
>   http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp
> 
> I would be interested of anyones experience with these.  Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C Landfall 38
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> 
> Email address:
> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom 
> of page at:
> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
> 
___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List Spreader lights

[jtsails via CnC-List]

I like the idea of being able to select red or white. right now I just hang a 
battery-powered camping lantern from the underside of the bimini but I’m 
thinking of something that’s permanently mounted.
James
Delaney
C&C 38 Mk11
Oriental, NC


From: William Hall via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 9:49 PM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: William Hall 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader lights

I had dinner on a friend's very nice boat on Friday.  He had rigged a small 
light on the bottom of the boom which lit up the cockpit very nicely. 
Bill Hall
Starfire


On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 8:41 PM, jtsails via CnC-List  
wrote:

  Earlier this year I changed out my old perko combo steaming/foredeck light 
for a marinebeam combo. The marinebeam LED is awesome, the old light really 
didn’t illuminate the foredeck at all (it was 39 years old) and the new light 
is so bright it throws shadows. the only problem I have is the new light is so 
well focused that it doesn’t light the back half of the boat at all so now I’m 
trying to decide between spreader lights or a small LED fixture to light the 
floor of the cockpit. I don’t won’t anything too bright so I’m almost convinced 
that I will install a small dimmable LED fixture in the cockpit to light the 
floor.
  James
  Delaney
  C&C 38 Mk11
  Oriental, NC

  From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 8:22 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Dennis C. 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader lights

  Ditto. With foredeck light I don't see need for spreader lights. 

  Dennis C.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Alan Bergen via CnC-List  
wrote:


I use a Forespar, combination bow light/deck light.  The bow light for 
motoring at night, and the deck light taking the place of actual spreader 
lights.  I they're not LED, but I rarely use either of them when not motoring 
or powered up in a moorage.


Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR


This has been bothering me all summer, there are wires hanging out of my 
mast just under the spreaders (first set) it's obvious that someone has removed 
the original spreader lights. I've been looking online at the multitude of LED 
spreader lights available, and am wondering just how useful they are, 
especially when they are so incredibly bright. What do you have? Do you use 
them? Are they only used when at the slip? Would a spotlight or two be more 
useful up there? I think I saw a red/white combo light somewhere, would that be 
a better choice? 
Thanks
Brad
1985 C&C 33 MKII "Pulse"
Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, 
from my iPad!


___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the 
bottom of page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com



--
  ___

  Email address:
  CnC-List@cnc-list.com
  To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom 
of page at:
  http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com



  ___

  Email address:
  CnC-List@cnc-list.com
  To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom 
of page at:
  http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com







-- 

William D. Hall, Ph.D.
617 620 9078 (c)
wh...@alum.mit.edu



___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

___

Email address:
CnC-List@cnc-list.com
To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of 
page at:
http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com