Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 126, Issue 28

[Francis Tibbetts via CnC-List]

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>1. Re:  Water Tank Woes (Gary Russell)
>2. Re:  Water Tank Woes (Harry Hallgring Jr)
>3. Re:  33-2 - what's in the fridge? (Josh Muckley)
>4. Re:  C in other places (Josh Muckley)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:37:36 -0400
> From: Gary Russell <captnga...@gmail.com>
> To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Water Tank Woes
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> Can you replace the fitting with this?
> 
> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|51|2234277|2234279=146726
> 
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
> 
> ~~~_/)~~
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> > Replace it with a flex tank.  I love my flex tanks.  I don't have a single
> > rigid tank on Touche'.
> >
> > For some reason, flex tanks don't have a strong following.  However, in
> > being a member of this list for a decade and a half, I do not remember a
> > single post about a failure of a flex tank.  There have been several about
> > rigid tanks.
> >
> > Dennis C.
> > Touche' 35-1 #83
> > Mandeville, LA
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:56 PM, kelly petew via CnC-List <
> > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> >> One of my water tanks continues to leak and it appears to be where the
> >> barbed elbow fitting exits the tank .  I've wrapped the threads with Teflon
> >> tape [both pink and white], but it fails to make a good seal.  This is my
> >> 3rd attempt to fix it.
> >> The tank is a Kracor brand, and the tank's walls and bottom appear to be
> >> quite thick.  I have observed "weeping" only right around the hole where
> >> the elbow fitting is screwed into it.
> >>
> >> Does anyone have a suggestion?  Is there some adhesive that I can apply
> >> the threads of the barbed fitting??
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Pete W.
> >>
> >> Siren Song
> >> C 30-2
> >> Deltaville, VA.
> >>
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> From: Harry Hallgring Jr <hhallgr...@icloud.com>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Water Tank Woes
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> I have 3-20 gallon Kracor tanks and 2-23.5 gallon Nauta bladders for fresh 
> water and 1-39.5 gallon Kracor tank for poop. They all perform well. 
> 
> Harry
> Sent from my iPhone 7 beta
> 
> > On Jul 7, 2016, at 20:12, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Replace it with a flex tank.  I love my flex tanks.  I don't have a single 
> > rigid tank on Touche'.
> > 
> > For som

Re: Stus-List Water Tank Woes

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Dennis — have you forgotten about the boat I worked on several years back that 
was struck by lightning?  It was a really hot day, and the second day of a 
charter; the boat got struck, and had to be towed into the marina.  I went 
aboard the next morning; it was about 100F below, and reeked to high heaven.  
It turns out the boat had a flexible holding tank up under the v-berth; the 
lightning came down the mast and side-flashed through the half-full holding 
tank, causing it to explode.  The resulting “liquid” cooked below in the hot 
sun for a day and a half.  It took them quite a while to get rid of that smell.

Okay, so maybe an extreme example…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> For some reason, flex tanks don't have a strong following.  However, in being 
> a member of this list for a decade and a half, I do not remember a single 
> post about a failure of a flex tank.

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Re: Stus-List C in other places

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

A google search doesn't take long to find the c photo album.  Anybody who
is interested in finding out about us is perfectly able.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jul 7, 2016 3:26 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Some of the ones I’ve come across simply didn’t know anything about it. We
> should try to come up with a way to promote this and get the word out.
>
> This has become one of the most valuable aspects of owning a C It would
> be great to see more questions and more input.
>
> … and more responses other than Fred Street telling us to install proper
> fuses :^)
>
> I’ll work up a flyer over the next few days for suggestions, edits and
> distribution. Then we can put them up in our clubs and marine stores, or
> pass it to other C’ers.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Those owners already know everything ….
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Marek Dziedzic via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 4:11 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Marek Dziedzic
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C in other places
>
> interestingly, there exist C owners who are not on the list. I always
> wondered why.
>
> Marek
>
> *From:* Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 7, 2016 07:33
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Andrew Burton 
> *Subject:* Stus-List C in other places
>
> Just watched the 35-2 Hat Trick leave Block Island. I don't have a dinghy
> with me so I couldn't go over and say hi. Thanks to this list I find myself
> assuming that any other C   I come across has friends aboard. Nice bunch
> of people here!
>
> Andy
> C 40
> Peregrine
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
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Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

>From what I can tell, if your compressor looks like the one in the link
then you're good.

https://goo.gl/images/wPx7YE

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jul 7, 2016 7:23 PM, "David Blair via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> When I contacted the Stainless Lobster folks they said my NovaKool was
> “too old” – ie: 1990 .  Still runs fine even at the “advanced age”.
> Apparently there is no interest in adapting their product to the older
> units (would make sense in terms of potential market to me).  FYI
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 5:14 AM
> *To:* C List
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?
>
>
>
> Dave,
>
> Any fridge systems that have the danfoss compressor (Nova Cool, Alder
> Barbour, etc.) are probably compatible with the Stainless Lobster fridge
> controller.  This would be the upgrade that I would strongly consider prior
> to replacing a perfectly good system.  Some of the manufacturers (Nova
> Cool) will refurbish/recharge your used system for a reasonable price
> (~$100).  The threaded connections are well design to be lossless when
> connected/disconnected.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Jul 6, 2016 1:42 PM, "Dave via CnC-List"  wrote:
>
> Thanks Paul, Edd.
>
>
>
> My original refrigerAtion unit (nova cool?) is still working so I had not
> planned to  tackle that quite yet. Will research Engels and Adler Barbour.
>   Is the upgrade worthwhile or is this really something to consider once
> replacement is necessary?
>
>
>
> The all in one approach looks very elegant - Paul, do you have a photo of
> the install?  Curious.
>
>
>
> And...  Lol ... I guess I have not been whacked in the head quite enough
> to have thought of the single piece hinged lid approach.  What a great
> idea. Thanks!
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:16:11 +
> From: Paul Fountain >
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?
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> Dave,
>
> We added an all in one refrigeration unit to our 33-2, one of the best
> upgrades yet! Used this unit
> http://www.westmarine.com/buy/waeco-adler-barbour--coolmatic-cooling-conversion-kit--7895881
>
> installed it on the cockpit side of the icebox, had to cut the cockpit
> bulkhead also. The insulation was in good shape, and about 3" thick. Last
> weekend we found ice in some of the water bottles after we left it turned a
> bit too far down.
>
> We also reworked the lid, as I got tired of it hitting me. I removed the
> hinges on the back side, and hinged it in the middle so it folds onto its
> other half. This also means we can remove completely to fill, empty or
> clean the icebox.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 1:30 PM -0400, "Dave Syer via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> Seems the boat is never "done".I read a recent thread here on older
> iceboxes and the benefit of improved insulation, and wonder about my '85.
> As other work gets done, the ice box has moved up the project list a bit.
>
> I replaced the gasket and the manual drain pump, and will need to tighten
> the lid screws to address wear/lid wobble, (might need screw holes filled)
> and replace the rusting and now detached wire basket/shelf inside.  For
> sure the small gap between the two lid sections could be sealed somehow,
> and I will cut a closed-cell foam "blanket" to cover the top.  This should
> help deal with the gap as well as insulate a bit better.   After that, the
> work gets more invasive as the insulated (we hope) cavities are quite
> difficult to access.
>
> Has anyone tackled a 33-2 ice box?  I am wondering mostly about the amount
> of insulation and whether it was installed effectively.   Any thoughts or
> advice would be much appreciated!
>
> Dave Syer
> '85 33-2 Windstar.
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> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 14:33:02 -0400
> From: Edd Schillay 
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> Dave,
>
> I?ve heard a lot of good things about Engel ? it?s what I?m planning on
> using when I redo the refrigeration on the Enterprise.
>
> See:
> 

Re: Stus-List Water Tank Woes

[Harry Hallgring Jr via CnC-List]

I have 3-20 gallon Kracor tanks and 2-23.5 gallon Nauta bladders for fresh 
water and 1-39.5 gallon Kracor tank for poop. They all perform well. 

Harry
Sent from my iPhone 7 beta

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 20:12, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Replace it with a flex tank.  I love my flex tanks.  I don't have a single 
> rigid tank on Touche'.
> 
> For some reason, flex tanks don't have a strong following.  However, in being 
> a member of this list for a decade and a half, I do not remember a single 
> post about a failure of a flex tank.  There have been several about rigid 
> tanks.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:56 PM, kelly petew via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> One of my water tanks continues to leak and it appears to be where the 
>> barbed elbow fitting exits the tank .  I've wrapped the threads with Teflon 
>> tape [both pink and white], but it fails to make a good seal.  This is my 
>> 3rd attempt to fix it. 
>> The tank is a Kracor brand, and the tank's walls and bottom appear to be 
>> quite thick.  I have observed "weeping" only right around the hole where the 
>> elbow fitting is screwed into it.
>>  
>> Does anyone have a suggestion?  Is there some adhesive that I can apply the 
>> threads of the barbed fitting??
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>> Pete W.
>>  
>> Siren Song
>> C 30-2
>> Deltaville, VA. 
>> 
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>> what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions 
>> are greatly appreciated!
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Re: Stus-List Water Tank Woes

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Can you replace the fitting with this?

http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|51|2234277|2234279=146726

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Replace it with a flex tank.  I love my flex tanks.  I don't have a single
> rigid tank on Touche'.
>
> For some reason, flex tanks don't have a strong following.  However, in
> being a member of this list for a decade and a half, I do not remember a
> single post about a failure of a flex tank.  There have been several about
> rigid tanks.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:56 PM, kelly petew via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> One of my water tanks continues to leak and it appears to be where the
>> barbed elbow fitting exits the tank .  I've wrapped the threads with Teflon
>> tape [both pink and white], but it fails to make a good seal.  This is my
>> 3rd attempt to fix it.
>> The tank is a Kracor brand, and the tank's walls and bottom appear to be
>> quite thick.  I have observed "weeping" only right around the hole where
>> the elbow fitting is screwed into it.
>>
>> Does anyone have a suggestion?  Is there some adhesive that I can apply
>> the threads of the barbed fitting??
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Pete W.
>>
>> Siren Song
>> C 30-2
>> Deltaville, VA.
>>
>> ___
>>
>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you
>> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All
>> Contributions are greatly appreciated!
>>
>>
>
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Re: Stus-List Water Tank Woes

[svpegasus38]

Let me be the first to post about a failed flex\bladder tank. Pegasus had 
2, 1 for black water (leaked), the other was a square tank under the v berth. 
Could only put 10 gallons in a 40 gallon tank. Rest was air. Replaced both with 
plastic much happier. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 #4just west of Ballard, WA.




-- Original message--From: Dennis C. via CnC-List Date: Thu, Jul 7, 
2016 17:13To: CnClist;Cc: Dennis C.;Subject:Re: Stus-List Water Tank Woes
Replace it with a flex tank.  I love my flex tanks.  I don't have a single 
rigid tank on Touche'.

For some reason, flex tanks don't have a strong following.  However, in being a 
member of this list for a decade and a half, I do not remember a single post 
about a failure of a flex tank.  There have been several about rigid tanks.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:56 PM, kelly petew via CnC-List 
 wrote:
One of my water tanks continues to leak and it appears to be where the barbed 
elbow fitting exits the tank .  I've wrapped the threads with Teflon tape [both 
pink and white], but it fails to make a good seal.  This is my 3rd attempt to 
fix it. 
The tank is a Kracor brand, and the tank's walls and bottom appear to be quite 
thick.  I have observed "weeping" only right around the hole where the elbow 
fitting is screwed into it.
 
Does anyone have a suggestion?  Is there some adhesive that I can apply the 
threads of the barbed fitting??
 
Thanks,
 
Pete W.
 
Siren Song
C 30-2
Deltaville, VA. 
  
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Re: Stus-List Water Tank Woes

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Replace it with a flex tank.  I love my flex tanks.  I don't have a single
rigid tank on Touche'.

For some reason, flex tanks don't have a strong following.  However, in
being a member of this list for a decade and a half, I do not remember a
single post about a failure of a flex tank.  There have been several about
rigid tanks.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:56 PM, kelly petew via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> One of my water tanks continues to leak and it appears to be where the
> barbed elbow fitting exits the tank .  I've wrapped the threads with Teflon
> tape [both pink and white], but it fails to make a good seal.  This is my
> 3rd attempt to fix it.
> The tank is a Kracor brand, and the tank's walls and bottom appear to be
> quite thick.  I have observed "weeping" only right around the hole where
> the elbow fitting is screwed into it.
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion?  Is there some adhesive that I can apply
> the threads of the barbed fitting??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pete W.
>
> Siren Song
> C 30-2
> Deltaville, VA.
>
> ___
>
> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you
> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All
> Contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
>
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Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?

[David Blair via CnC-List]

When I contacted the Stainless Lobster folks they said my NovaKool was “too 
old” – ie: 1990 .  Still runs fine even at the “advanced age”.  Apparently 
there is no interest in adapting their product to the older units (would make 
sense in terms of potential market to me).  FYI

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 5:14 AM
To: C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?

 

Dave, 

Any fridge systems that have the danfoss compressor (Nova Cool, Alder Barbour, 
etc.) are probably compatible with the Stainless Lobster fridge controller.  
This would be the upgrade that I would strongly consider prior to replacing a 
perfectly good system.  Some of the manufacturers (Nova Cool) will 
refurbish/recharge your used system for a reasonable price (~$100).  The 
threaded connections are well design to be lossless when connected/disconnected.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Jul 6, 2016 1:42 PM, "Dave via CnC-List"  wrote:

Thanks Paul, Edd.

 

My original refrigerAtion unit (nova cool?) is still working so I had not 
planned to  tackle that quite yet. Will research Engels and Adler Barbour.   Is 
the upgrade worthwhile or is this really something to consider once replacement 
is necessary?  

 

The all in one approach looks very elegant - Paul, do you have a photo of the 
install?  Curious.

 

And...  Lol ... I guess I have not been whacked in the head quite enough to 
have thought of the single piece hinged lid approach.  What a great idea. 
Thanks!

 

Dave



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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:16:11 +
From: Paul Fountain 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?
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Dave,

We added an all in one refrigeration unit to our 33-2, one of the best upgrades 
yet! Used this unit 
http://www.westmarine.com/buy/waeco-adler-barbour--coolmatic-cooling-conversion-kit--7895881

installed it on the cockpit side of the icebox, had to cut the cockpit bulkhead 
also. The insulation was in good shape, and about 3" thick. Last weekend we 
found ice in some of the water bottles after we left it turned a bit too far 
down.

We also reworked the lid, as I got tired of it hitting me. I removed the hinges 
on the back side, and hinged it in the middle so it folds onto its other half. 
This also means we can remove completely to fill, empty or clean the icebox.

Get Outlook for iOS




On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 1:30 PM -0400, "Dave Syer via CnC-List" 
> wrote:

Hi All,
Seems the boat is never "done".I read a recent thread here on older 
iceboxes and the benefit of improved insulation, and wonder about my '85.
As other work gets done, the ice box has moved up the project list a bit.

I replaced the gasket and the manual drain pump, and will need to tighten the 
lid screws to address wear/lid wobble, (might need screw holes filled) and 
replace the rusting and now detached wire basket/shelf inside.  For sure the 
small gap between the two lid sections could be sealed somehow, and I will cut 
a closed-cell foam "blanket" to cover the top.  This should help deal with the 
gap as well as insulate a bit better.   After that, the work gets more invasive 
as the insulated (we hope) cavities are quite difficult to access.

Has anyone tackled a 33-2 ice box?  I am wondering mostly about the amount of 
insulation and whether it was installed effectively.   Any thoughts or advice 
would be much appreciated!

Dave Syer
'85 33-2 Windstar.
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From: Edd Schillay 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?
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Dave,

I?ve heard a lot of good things about Engel ? it?s what I?m planning on using 
when I redo the refrigeration on the Enterprise.

See: 
http://www.engelcoolers.com/fridge-freezers/shop-by-adventure/rv/scqt-4408f-u1-i
 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List Defiant - 86 C 41

[Dave via CnC-List]

...a really nice boat that should not need any major projects for a while."

I must admit that made me smile also. 

FYI - according to Bristol marine here in Toronto, The 41, 33-2, and 35-3 are 
models susceptible to the sinking mast step syndrome.  Caveat emptor!  (Having 
repaired early onset of same)

Dave Syer
Owner of really nice 33-2 - Windstar



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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 22:16:00 +
From: Aaron Rouhi 
To: Jean-Francois J Rivard ,
   "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
Subject: Re: Stus-List Defiant - 86 C 41
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"...a really nice boat that should not need any major projects for a while."


Wouldn't that be nice? My slip neighbor has a much newer boat. His major summer 
project was repairing and varnishing the flag pole... I only wish...

Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie,
1979 C 30 MK1 #540
Annapolis, MD

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Re: Stus-List Water Tank Woes

[svpegasus38]

When my water tanks were leaking at hose barb. I had a new bung plastic 
welded in. Been working great. Marine Sanitation on Seattle did the work. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 #4just west of Ballard, WA.




-- Original message--From: kelly petew via CnC-List Date: Thu, Jul 7, 
2016 14:57To: cnc-list;Cc: kelly petew;Subject:Stus-List Water Tank Woes
One of my water tanks continues to leak and it appears to be where the barbed 
elbow fitting exits the tank .  I've wrapped the threads with Teflon tape [both 
pink and white], but it fails to make a good seal.  This is my 3rd attempt to 
fix it. 
The tank is a Kracor brand, and the tank's walls and bottom appear to be quite 
thick.  I have observed "weeping" only right around the hole where the elbow 
fitting is screwed into it.
 
Does anyone have a suggestion?  Is there some adhesive that I can apply the 
threads of the barbed fitting??
 
Thanks,
 
Pete W.
 
Siren Song
C 30-2
Deltaville, VA. 
  

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Re: Stus-List Defiant - 86 C 41

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

That's just wrong Aaron.  How do you repair a flagpole anyway? :)

John


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> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> "...a really nice boat that should not need any major projects for a while."
> 
> Wouldn't that be nice? My slip neighbor has a much newer boat. His major 
> summer project was repairing and varnishing the flag pole... I only wish...
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Aaron R.
> Admiral Maggie,
> 1979 C 30 MK1 #540
> Annapolis, MD
> 
> 
> From: Jean-Francois J Rivard 
> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 10:19 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: dblair...@gmail.com; admiralmag...@outlook.com
> Subject: Stus-List Defiant - 86 C 41
>  
> Gorgeous boat and definitely priced to move. Too bad I don't need a bigger 
> boat that's a very sweet deal on a really nice boat that should not need any 
> major projects for a while.  
> 
> Perhaps David (On Copy) knows about it as he lives in the area.
> 
> 
> Francois Rivard 
> 1990 34+ "Take Five" 
> Lake Lanier, GA
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Subject: Stus-List Defiant - 86 C 41
> Message-ID:
> 
> 
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Just wondering if anybody knows this boat (Defiant - 86 C 41)... Good 
> friend of mine (a current 35-1 owner) is seriously considering a trip to 
> Vancouver from Galveston to see it and I'm just trying to get some background 
> information... Any help is greatly appreciated...
> 
> 
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/C%26C-41-2984102/Mill-Bay/Canada#.V33C8awrKUl
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Re: Stus-List Water Tank Woes

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Harry, Kracor is a brand and they are molded LLDPE plastic.  Welded tanks are 
made differently and they are either LDPE or HDPE.  Molded tanks are generally 
higher quality than welded tanks.

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
Email: dainyr...@icloud.com
Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore)

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Harry Hallgring Jr via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Custom Marine Plastic in Bristol, RI has welded Kracor tanks for me, so it is 
> a successful method. Also consider drilling it out and replacing it with a 
> modified Marelon thru hull. 
> 
> Harry
> Sent from my iPhone 7 beta
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 18:02, Persuasion37 via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Can you get Goop where you live.  I've found Goop can seal/bond just about 
>> anything.
>> http://eclecticproducts.com/products/amazing-goop.html
>> 
>> Mike
>> PERSUASION
>> C 37 K/CB
>> Long Sault
>> 
>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 5:56 PM, kelly petew via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> One of my water tanks continues to leak and it appears to be where the 
>>> barbed elbow fitting exits the tank .  I've wrapped the threads with Teflon 
>>> tape [both pink and white], but it fails to make a good seal.  This is my 
>>> 3rd attempt to fix it. 
>>> The tank is a Kracor brand, and the tank's walls and bottom appear to be 
>>> quite thick.  I have observed "weeping" only right around the hole where 
>>> the elbow fitting is screwed into it.
>>>  
>>> Does anyone have a suggestion?  Is there some adhesive that I can apply the 
>>> threads of the barbed fitting??
>>>  
>>> Thanks,
>>>  
>>> Pete W.
>>>  
>>> Siren Song
>>> C 30-2
>>> Deltaville, VA. 
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Re: Stus-List Water Tank Woes

[Harry Hallgring Jr via CnC-List]

Custom Marine Plastic in Bristol, RI has welded Kracor tanks for me, so it is a 
successful method. Also consider drilling it out and replacing it with a 
modified Marelon thru hull. 

Harry
Sent from my iPhone 7 beta

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 18:02, Persuasion37 via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Can you get Goop where you live.  I've found Goop can seal/bond just about 
> anything.
> http://eclecticproducts.com/products/amazing-goop.html
> 
> Mike
> PERSUASION
> C 37 K/CB
> Long Sault
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 5:56 PM, kelly petew via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> One of my water tanks continues to leak and it appears to be where the 
>> barbed elbow fitting exits the tank .  I've wrapped the threads with Teflon 
>> tape [both pink and white], but it fails to make a good seal.  This is my 
>> 3rd attempt to fix it. 
>> The tank is a Kracor brand, and the tank's walls and bottom appear to be 
>> quite thick.  I have observed "weeping" only right around the hole where the 
>> elbow fitting is screwed into it.
>>  
>> Does anyone have a suggestion?  Is there some adhesive that I can apply the 
>> threads of the barbed fitting??
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>> Pete W.
>>  
>> Siren Song
>> C 30-2
>> Deltaville, VA. 
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Re: Stus-List Defiant - 86 C 41

[Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List]

"...a really nice boat that should not need any major projects for a while."


Wouldn't that be nice? My slip neighbor has a much newer boat. His major summer 
project was repairing and varnishing the flag pole... I only wish...

Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie,
1979 C 30 MK1 #540
Annapolis, MD



From: Jean-Francois J Rivard 
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 10:19 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: dblair...@gmail.com; admiralmag...@outlook.com
Subject: Stus-List Defiant - 86 C 41

Gorgeous boat and definitely priced to move. Too bad I don't need a bigger boat 
that's a very sweet deal on a really nice boat that should not need any major 
projects for a while.

Perhaps David (On Copy) knows about it as he lives in the area.


Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA




Subject: Stus-List Defiant - 86 C 41
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Hello,

Just wondering if anybody knows this boat (Defiant - 86 C 41)... Good friend 
of mine (a current 35-1 owner) is seriously considering a trip to Vancouver 
from Galveston to see it and I'm just trying to get some background 
information... Any help is greatly appreciated...


http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/C%26C-41-2984102/Mill-Bay/Canada#.V33C8awrKUl
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Re: Stus-List Water Tank Woes

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Can you get Goop where you live.  I've found Goop can seal/bond just about 
anything.
http://eclecticproducts.com/products/amazing-goop.html

Mike
PERSUASION
C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 5:56 PM, kelly petew via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> One of my water tanks continues to leak and it appears to be where the barbed 
> elbow fitting exits the tank .  I've wrapped the threads with Teflon tape 
> [both pink and white], but it fails to make a good seal.  This is my 3rd 
> attempt to fix it. 
> The tank is a Kracor brand, and the tank's walls and bottom appear to be 
> quite thick.  I have observed "weeping" only right around the hole where the 
> elbow fitting is screwed into it.
>  
> Does anyone have a suggestion?  Is there some adhesive that I can apply the 
> threads of the barbed fitting??
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Pete W.
>  
> Siren Song
> C 30-2
> Deltaville, VA. 
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Stus-List Water Tank Woes

[kelly petew via CnC-List]

One of my water tanks continues to leak and it appears to be where the barbed 
elbow fitting exits the tank .  I've wrapped the threads with Teflon tape [both 
pink and white], but it fails to make a good seal.  This is my 3rd attempt to 
fix it. 
The tank is a Kracor brand, and the tank's walls and bottom appear to be quite 
thick.  I have observed "weeping" only right around the hole where the elbow 
fitting is screwed into it.
 
Does anyone have a suggestion?  Is there some adhesive that I can apply the 
threads of the barbed fitting??
 
Thanks,
 
Pete W.
 
Siren Song
C 30-2
Deltaville, VA. 
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Re: Stus-List PHRF #'s

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

There was a fellow on the Chesapeake who had a 30 II with a fin keel. I thought 
he was rated around 150. His name is Greg Cutter – now sails some sort of hot 
rod boat. He’s good. Jake may have contact information as he was on this site 
for a number of years.

 

Gary

Maryland

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pat 
MacDonald via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 4:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Pat MacDonald 
Subject: Stus-List PHRF #'s

 

I bought a 1995 30MK II XL (1 of only 3 XL's made by C)  last year in Ontario 
and brought it out to Alberta.

Yes we do have a big lake to sail her in :)

There is a pretty good racing community here.  With that I'm wondering what 
would the PHRF be for my boat in these lake conditions.

Wherever we look for PHRF scores my boat shows a PHRF of 141-159.

At 141 I'm getting constantly out scored by really significant margins.

Any ideas or suggestions that would help with a more accurate PHRF #

Thanks

 

Pat

Mojo.  30 MK II XL

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Re: Stus-List PHRF #'s

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

I would be curious to know what differentiates our boats Pat. We have an
1989 30mkII.

Is it that you have a bulb and some kevlar in your layup per the later
C's? Is the rig the same? I assume the interior is the same.

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:05 PM Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Is it a fin or wing keel?   Jerry.  J 27 mkv.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 7, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Pat MacDonald via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I bought a 1995 30MK II XL (1 of only 3 XL's made by C)  last year in
> Ontario and brought it out to Alberta.
> Yes we do have a big lake to sail her in :)
> There is a pretty good racing community here.  With that I'm wondering
> what would the PHRF be for my boat in these lake conditions.
> Wherever we look for PHRF scores my boat shows a PHRF of 141-159.
> At 141 I'm getting constantly out scored by really significant margins.
> Any ideas or suggestions that would help with a more accurate PHRF #
> Thanks
>
> Pat
> Mojo.  30 MK II XL
>
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Re: Stus-List PHRF #'s

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

Is it a fin or wing keel?   Jerry.  J 27 mkv.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Pat MacDonald via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I bought a 1995 30MK II XL (1 of only 3 XL's made by C)  last year in 
> Ontario and brought it out to Alberta.
> Yes we do have a big lake to sail her in :)
> There is a pretty good racing community here.  With that I'm wondering what 
> would the PHRF be for my boat in these lake conditions.
> Wherever we look for PHRF scores my boat shows a PHRF of 141-159.
> At 141 I'm getting constantly out scored by really significant margins.
> Any ideas or suggestions that would help with a more accurate PHRF #
> Thanks
> 
> Pat
> Mojo.  30 MK II XL
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Re: Stus-List PHRF #'s

[johnr via CnC-List]

A case of scotch might help.


John McLaughlin
Falcon
C



-Original Message-
From: Pat MacDonald via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Pat MacDonald 
Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2016 4:50 pm
Subject: Stus-List PHRF #'s



I bought a 1995 30MK II XL (1 of only 3 XL's made by C)  last year in Ontario 
and brought it out to Alberta.
Yes we do have a big lake to sail her in :)
There is a pretty good racing community here.  With that I'm wondering what 
would the PHRF be for my boat in these lake conditions.
Wherever we look for PHRF scores my boat shows a PHRF of 141-159.
At 141 I'm getting constantly out scored by really significant margins.
Any ideas or suggestions that would help with a more accurate PHRF #
Thanks


Pat

Mojo.  30 MK II XL

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Stus-List PHRF #'s

[Pat MacDonald via CnC-List]

I bought a 1995 30MK II XL (1 of only 3 XL's made by C)  last year in Ontario 
and brought it out to Alberta.
Yes we do have a big lake to sail her in :)
There is a pretty good racing community here.  With that I'm wondering what 
would the PHRF be for my boat in these lake conditions.
Wherever we look for PHRF scores my boat shows a PHRF of 141-159.
At 141 I'm getting constantly out scored by really significant margins.
Any ideas or suggestions that would help with a more accurate PHRF #
Thanks

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Re: Stus-List C in other places

[Don Harben via CnC-List]

 and perhaps a business card 

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> flyer over the next few days for suggestions, edits and distribution. Then we 
> can put them up in our clubs and marine stores, or pass it to other C’ers. 


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Re: Stus-List C in other places

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Some of the ones I’ve come across simply didn’t know anything about it. We 
should try to come up with a way to promote this and get the word out. 

This has become one of the most valuable aspects of owning a C It would be 
great to see more questions and more input. 

… and more responses other than Fred Street telling us to install proper fuses 
:^) 

I’ll work up a flyer over the next few days for suggestions, edits and 
distribution. Then we can put them up in our clubs and marine stores, or pass 
it to other C’ers. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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> On Jul 7, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Those owners already know everything ….
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 4:11 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Marek Dziedzic
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C in other places
>  
> interestingly, there exist C owners who are not on the list. I always 
> wondered why.
>  
> Marek
>  
> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 07:33
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Andrew Burton 
> Subject: Stus-List C in other places
>  
> Just watched the 35-2 Hat Trick leave Block Island. I don't have a dinghy 
> with me so I couldn't go over and say hi. Thanks to this list I find myself 
> assuming that any other C   I come across has friends aboard. Nice bunch of 
> people here!
> 
> Andy
> C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI 
> USA02840
> 
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
> 
> +401 965-5260
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Re: Stus-List C in other places

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Those owners already know everything ….

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
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Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List C in other places

interestingly, there exist C owners who are not on the list. I always 
wondered why.

Marek

From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 07:33
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Burton
Subject: Stus-List C in other places

Just watched the 35-2 Hat Trick leave Block Island. I don't have a dinghy with 
me so I couldn't go over and say hi. Thanks to this list I find myself assuming 
that any other C   I come across has friends aboard. Nice bunch of people 
here!

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
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Re: Stus-List C in other places

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

interestingly, there exist C owners who are not on the list. I always 
wondered why.

Marek

From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 07:33
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Stus-List C in other places

Just watched the 35-2 Hat Trick leave Block Island. I don't have a dinghy with 
me so I couldn't go over and say hi. Thanks to this list I find myself assuming 
that any other C   I come across has friends aboard. Nice bunch of people 
here!

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260
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Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?

[David via CnC-List]

Old and would not hold a charge.   It was visibly rusty so I was surprised it 
lasted as long as it did..

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:55:25 +
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: muckl...@gmail.com

I'd be interested in figuring out what "went out" with your unit.  
Last year the little computer fan on mine stopped spinning.  That was a quick 
and easy fix.
This year, mine had a bad solder joint which after years of service developed a 
high resistance and burnt up the fuse holder.  Worst part is that the circuit 
board that held the fuse was an add-on by Alder Barbour to the stock Danfoss 
compressor.  New fuse holders and some solder, ~$12,  and I was back in 
business.  It's been working like a champ even through these 98°F days.  If 
that hadn't worked then the Stainless Lobster was my next step since it 
bypasses the troubling alder barbour circuit board.
There is a huge support network and a long history for the danfoss compressors.
The nice thing about the Stainless Lobster controller is that it has a boost 
mode so normally it will run low and slow and almost continuously.  You can 
also program it to maintain a slight higher temperature in normal mode.  All of 
this causes a lower overall A-Hr draw from the battery.  When a charging source 
becomes available the controller will go into "boost" mode where it runs at 
full speed and a lower temperature band.  This pre-cools to a lower temperature 
and saves a few A-Hrs when back on battery.
Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD 
On Jul 7, 2016 10:16 AM, "David via CnC-List"  wrote:



I had an Adler Barbour 12v system which after many years gave up last year.

Spoke with my brother who worked forAdler years back and he said as long as the 
Compressor is a Danfoss your good to go.

So I paid $700 for everything (thermostat, evaporator and compressor) from this 
vendor.  

Works like a charm...

http://www.suremarineservice.com/ice-box-conversion-components.aspx

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:12:30 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: capt...@gmail.com

My boat worker colleague thinks they are worth the extra $$.  Like I said, I 
bought an Isotherm.  I didn't seriously consider the Technautics units because 
of price.  I looked hard at the FrigoBoat and Isotherm units.  Both seem to be 
highly regarded.  

I just wanted to make the list aware of the Technautics units because they are 
apparently very good, have excellent technical support and have very low amp 
draw.  Whether or not they're worth the price differential, who knows?

I think the bigger decision when considering refrigeration is whether to 
install a traditional evaporator type unit or a cold plate type unit.  There 
are advantages to each particularly if you turn the system off when you leave 
the boat for a few days.

Touche's Isotherm cold plate unit takes quite a while to cool down but once it 
does, I think it works very well.  We sometimes give it some help by throwing a 
bag of ice in the bottom of the box.  It's been holding temps of 37-38F easily.

If you want a quick cool down day sail type system perhaps an evaporator unit 
is better.  My perception is that they cool the box quicker.

Dennis C.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List 
 wrote:


 






 Dennis; the Technautics are about 3 times the prices of the other two 
units...are they that much better?









Richard




1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4;






Richard N. Bush


2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine


Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 


502-584-7255





 






 






-Original Message-


From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 


To: CnClist 


Cc: Dennis C. 


Sent: Wed, Jul 6, 2016 2:10 pm


Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?





















While you're at it, investigate Technautics refrigeration systems.  Pricey but 
good.  Claims lowest amp draw.  My buddy has installed several with great 
results.  





http://www.technauticsinc.com/





I chose an Isotherm ASU unit for Touche'.









Dennis C.




Touche' 35-1 #83




Mandeville, LA











On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Dave via CnC-List  
wrote:






Thanks Paul, Edd.










My original refrigerAtion unit (nova cool?) is still working so I had not 
planned to  tackle that quite yet. Will research Engels and Adler Barbour.   Is 
the upgrade worthwhile or is this really something to consider once replacement 
is necessary?  










The all in one approach looks very elegant - Paul, do you have a photo of the 
install?  Curious.










And...  Lol ... I guess I have not been whacked in the head quite enough to 

Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The nice thing about the Stainless Lobster controller is that it has a
> boost mode so normally it will run low and slow and almost continuously.
> You can also program it to maintain a slight higher temperature in normal
> mode.  All of this causes a lower overall A-Hr draw from the battery.  When
> a charging source becomes available the controller will go into "boost"
> mode where it runs at full speed and a lower temperature band.  This
> pre-cools to a lower temperature and saves a few A-Hrs when back on battery.



That's the way the Isotherm ASU systems work.  They sense increased voltage
from shore power or engine running and boost the compressor to really
freeze the cold plate.

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I'd be interested in figuring out what "went out" with your unit.

Last year the little computer fan on mine stopped spinning.  That was a
quick and easy fix.

This year, mine had a bad solder joint which after years of service
developed a high resistance and burnt up the fuse holder.  Worst part is
that the circuit board that held the fuse was an add-on by Alder Barbour to
the stock Danfoss compressor.  New fuse holders and some solder, ~$12,  and
I was back in business.  It's been working like a champ even through these
98°F days.  If that hadn't worked then the Stainless Lobster was my next
step since it bypasses the troubling alder barbour circuit board.

There is a huge support network and a long history for the danfoss
compressors.

The nice thing about the Stainless Lobster controller is that it has a
boost mode so normally it will run low and slow and almost continuously.
You can also program it to maintain a slight higher temperature in normal
mode.  All of this causes a lower overall A-Hr draw from the battery.  When
a charging source becomes available the controller will go into "boost"
mode where it runs at full speed and a lower temperature band.  This
pre-cools to a lower temperature and saves a few A-Hrs when back on battery.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jul 7, 2016 10:16 AM, "David via CnC-List"  wrote:

> I had an Adler Barbour 12v system which after many years gave up last year.
>
> Spoke with my brother who worked forAdler years back and he said as long
> as the Compressor is a Danfoss your good to go.
>
> So I paid $700 for everything (thermostat, evaporator and compressor) from
> this vendor.
>
> Works like a charm...
>
> http://www.suremarineservice.com/ice-box-conversion-components.aspx
>
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> --
> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:12:30 -0500
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: capt...@gmail.com
>
> My boat worker colleague thinks they are worth the extra $$.  Like I said,
> I bought an Isotherm.  I didn't seriously consider the Technautics units
> because of price.  I looked hard at the FrigoBoat and Isotherm units.  Both
> seem to be highly regarded.
>
> I just wanted to make the list aware of the Technautics units because they
> are apparently very good, have excellent technical support and have very
> low amp draw.  Whether or not they're worth the price differential, who
> knows?
>
> I think the bigger decision when considering refrigeration is whether to
> install a traditional evaporator type unit or a cold plate type unit.
> There are advantages to each particularly if you turn the system off when
> you leave the boat for a few days.
>
> Touche's Isotherm cold plate unit takes quite a while to cool down but
> once it does, I think it works very well.  We sometimes give it some help
> by throwing a bag of ice in the bottom of the box.  It's been holding temps
> of 37-38F easily.
>
> If you want a quick cool down day sail type system perhaps an evaporator
> unit is better.  My perception is that they cool the box quicker.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dennis; the Technautics are about 3 times the prices of the other two
> units...are they that much better?
> Richard
> 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4;
>
>
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> To: CnClist 
> Cc: Dennis C. 
> Sent: Wed, Jul 6, 2016 2:10 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?
>
> While you're at it, investigate Technautics refrigeration systems.  Pricey
> but good.  Claims lowest amp draw.  My buddy has installed several with
> great results.
>
> http://www.technauticsinc.com/
>
> I chose an Isotherm ASU unit for Touche'.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Dave via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Paul, Edd.
>
> My original refrigerAtion unit (nova cool?) is still working so I had not
> planned to  tackle that quite yet. Will research Engels and Adler Barbour.
>   Is the upgrade worthwhile or is this really something to consider once
> replacement is necessary?
>
> The all in one approach looks very elegant - Paul, do you have a photo of
> the install?  Curious.
>
> And...  Lol ... I guess I have not been whacked in the head quite enough
> to have thought of the single piece hinged lid approach.  What a great
> idea. Thanks!
>
> Dave
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:16:11 +
> From: Paul Fountain >
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: 

Re: Stus-List Defiant - 86 C 41

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Hi Aaron, 

I don't know anything about that boat Defiant, but I'm curious about sailing 
around Galveston. Is that where your friend's 35-1 is? I just spent a long 
weekend there as my daughter is starting the Physician Assistant program at 
University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston. Saw a couple of marinas with 
sailboats, and saw some sailboats out on Galveston Bay in a nice breeze. Found 
a couple of companies with sailboats for charter in Texas City / Kemah on 
Galveston Bay. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

- Original Message -

From: "Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Aaron Rouhi"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 8:50:31 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Defiant - 86 C 41 



Hello, 

Just wondering if anybody knows this boat ( Defiant - 86 C 41) ... Good 
friend of mine (a current 35-1 owner) is seriously considering a trip to 
Vancouver from Galveston to see it and I'm just trying to get some background 
information... Any help is greatly appreciated... 




http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/C%26C-41-2984102/Mill-Bay/Canada#.V33C8awrKUl
 





Cheers, 
Aaron R. 
Admiral Maggie, 
19 79 C 30 MK1 #540 
Annapolis, MD 

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[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Gorgeous boat and definitely priced to move. Too bad I don't need a bigger 
boat that's a very sweet deal on a really nice boat that should not need 
any major projects for a while. 

Perhaps David (On Copy) knows about it as he lives in the area.


Francois Rivard 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, GA

 


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Hello,

Just wondering if anybody knows this boat (Defiant - 86 C 41)... Good 
friend of mine (a current 35-1 owner) is seriously considering a trip to 
Vancouver from Galveston to see it and I'm just trying to get some 
background information... Any help is greatly appreciated...


http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/C%26C-41-2984102/Mill-Bay/Canada#.V33C8awrKUl

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Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?

[David via CnC-List]

I had an Adler Barbour 12v system which after many years gave up last year.

Spoke with my brother who worked forAdler years back and he said as long as the 
Compressor is a Danfoss your good to go.

So I paid $700 for everything (thermostat, evaporator and compressor) from this 
vendor.  

Works like a charm...

http://www.suremarineservice.com/ice-box-conversion-components.aspx

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:12:30 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: capt...@gmail.com

My boat worker colleague thinks they are worth the extra $$.  Like I said, I 
bought an Isotherm.  I didn't seriously consider the Technautics units because 
of price.  I looked hard at the FrigoBoat and Isotherm units.  Both seem to be 
highly regarded.  

I just wanted to make the list aware of the Technautics units because they are 
apparently very good, have excellent technical support and have very low amp 
draw.  Whether or not they're worth the price differential, who knows?

I think the bigger decision when considering refrigeration is whether to 
install a traditional evaporator type unit or a cold plate type unit.  There 
are advantages to each particularly if you turn the system off when you leave 
the boat for a few days.

Touche's Isotherm cold plate unit takes quite a while to cool down but once it 
does, I think it works very well.  We sometimes give it some help by throwing a 
bag of ice in the bottom of the box.  It's been holding temps of 37-38F easily.

If you want a quick cool down day sail type system perhaps an evaporator unit 
is better.  My perception is that they cool the box quicker.

Dennis C.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List 
 wrote:


 






 Dennis; the Technautics are about 3 times the prices of the other two 
units...are they that much better?









Richard




1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4;






Richard N. Bush


2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine


Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 


502-584-7255





 






 






-Original Message-


From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 


To: CnClist 


Cc: Dennis C. 


Sent: Wed, Jul 6, 2016 2:10 pm


Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?





















While you're at it, investigate Technautics refrigeration systems.  Pricey but 
good.  Claims lowest amp draw.  My buddy has installed several with great 
results.  





http://www.technauticsinc.com/





I chose an Isotherm ASU unit for Touche'.









Dennis C.




Touche' 35-1 #83




Mandeville, LA











On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Dave via CnC-List  
wrote:






Thanks Paul, Edd.










My original refrigerAtion unit (nova cool?) is still working so I had not 
planned to  tackle that quite yet. Will research Engels and Adler Barbour.   Is 
the upgrade worthwhile or is this really something to consider once replacement 
is necessary?  










The all in one approach looks very elegant - Paul, do you have a photo of the 
install?  Curious.










And...  Lol ... I guess I have not been whacked in the head quite enough to 
have thought of the single piece hinged lid approach.  What a great idea. 
Thanks!










Dave









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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:16:11 +


From: Paul Fountain 


To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 


Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?


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Dave,





We added an all in one refrigeration unit to our 33-2, one of the best upgrades 
yet! Used this unit 
http://www.westmarine.com/buy/waeco-adler-barbour--coolmatic-cooling-conversion-kit--7895881





installed it on the cockpit side of the icebox, had to cut the cockpit bulkhead 
also. The insulation was in good shape, and about 3" thick. Last weekend we 
found ice in some of the water bottles after we left it turned a bit too far 
down.





We also reworked the lid, as I got tired of it hitting me. I removed the hinges 
on the back side, and hinged it in the middle so it folds onto its other half. 
This also means we can remove completely to fill, empty or clean the icebox.





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On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 1:30 PM -0400, "Dave Syer via CnC-List" 
> wrote:





Hi All,


Seems the boat is never "done".I read a recent thread here on older 
iceboxes and the benefit of improved insulation, and wonder about my '85.


As other work gets done, the ice box has moved up the project list a bit.





I replaced the gasket and the manual drain pump, and will need to tighten the 
lid screws to address 

Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Dave,

Any fridge systems that have the danfoss compressor (Nova Cool, Alder
Barbour, etc.) are probably compatible with the Stainless Lobster fridge
controller.  This would be the upgrade that I would strongly consider prior
to replacing a perfectly good system.  Some of the manufacturers (Nova
Cool) will refurbish/recharge your used system for a reasonable price
(~$100).  The threaded connections are well design to be lossless when
connected/disconnected.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jul 6, 2016 1:42 PM, "Dave via CnC-List"  wrote:

> Thanks Paul, Edd.
>
> My original refrigerAtion unit (nova cool?) is still working so I had not
> planned to  tackle that quite yet. Will research Engels and Adler Barbour.
>   Is the upgrade worthwhile or is this really something to consider once
> replacement is necessary?
>
> The all in one approach looks very elegant - Paul, do you have a photo of
> the install?  Curious.
>
> And...  Lol ... I guess I have not been whacked in the head quite enough
> to have thought of the single piece hinged lid approach.  What a great
> idea. Thanks!
>
> Dave
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:16:11 +
> From: Paul Fountain >
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?
> Message-ID:
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Dave,
>
> We added an all in one refrigeration unit to our 33-2, one of the best
> upgrades yet! Used this unit
> http://www.westmarine.com/buy/waeco-adler-barbour--coolmatic-cooling-conversion-kit--7895881
>
> installed it on the cockpit side of the icebox, had to cut the cockpit
> bulkhead also. The insulation was in good shape, and about 3" thick. Last
> weekend we found ice in some of the water bottles after we left it turned a
> bit too far down.
>
> We also reworked the lid, as I got tired of it hitting me. I removed the
> hinges on the back side, and hinged it in the middle so it folds onto its
> other half. This also means we can remove completely to fill, empty or
> clean the icebox.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 1:30 PM -0400, "Dave Syer via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> Seems the boat is never "done".I read a recent thread here on older
> iceboxes and the benefit of improved insulation, and wonder about my '85.
> As other work gets done, the ice box has moved up the project list a bit.
>
> I replaced the gasket and the manual drain pump, and will need to tighten
> the lid screws to address wear/lid wobble, (might need screw holes filled)
> and replace the rusting and now detached wire basket/shelf inside.  For
> sure the small gap between the two lid sections could be sealed somehow,
> and I will cut a closed-cell foam "blanket" to cover the top.  This should
> help deal with the gap as well as insulate a bit better.   After that, the
> work gets more invasive as the insulated (we hope) cavities are quite
> difficult to access.
>
> Has anyone tackled a 33-2 ice box?  I am wondering mostly about the amount
> of insulation and whether it was installed effectively.   Any thoughts or
> advice would be much appreciated!
>
> Dave Syer
> '85 33-2 Windstar.
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> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 14:33:02 -0400
> From: Edd Schillay 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?
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> Dave,
>
> I?ve heard a lot of good things about Engel ? it?s what I?m planning on
> using when I redo the refrigeration on the Enterprise.
>
> See:
> http://www.engelcoolers.com/fridge-freezers/shop-by-adventure/rv/scqt-4408f-u1-i
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Just watched the 35-2 Hat Trick leave Block Island. I don't have a dinghy with 
me so I couldn't go over and say hi. Thanks to this list I find myself assuming 
that any other C   I come across has friends aboard. Nice bunch of people 
here!

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

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[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Dave,

I'll try to get a couple of pictures when we are at the boat this weekend.

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On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:42 PM -0400, "Dave via CnC-List" 
> wrote:

Thanks Paul, Edd.

My original refrigerAtion unit (nova cool?) is still working so I had not 
planned to  tackle that quite yet. Will research Engels and Adler Barbour.   Is 
the upgrade worthwhile or is this really something to consider once replacement 
is necessary?

The all in one approach looks very elegant - Paul, do you have a photo of the 
install?  Curious.

And...  Lol ... I guess I have not been whacked in the head quite enough to 
have thought of the single piece hinged lid approach.  What a great idea. 
Thanks!

Dave


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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:16:11 +
From: Paul Fountain >
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>
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>

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Dave,

We added an all in one refrigeration unit to our 33-2, one of the best upgrades 
yet! Used this unit 
http://www.westmarine.com/buy/waeco-adler-barbour--coolmatic-cooling-conversion-kit--7895881

installed it on the cockpit side of the icebox, had to cut the cockpit bulkhead 
also. The insulation was in good shape, and about 3" thick. Last weekend we 
found ice in some of the water bottles after we left it turned a bit too far 
down.

We also reworked the lid, as I got tired of it hitting me. I removed the hinges 
on the back side, and hinged it in the middle so it folds onto its other half. 
This also means we can remove completely to fill, empty or clean the icebox.

Get Outlook for iOS




On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 1:30 PM -0400, "Dave Syer via CnC-List" 
>
 wrote:

Hi All,
Seems the boat is never "done".I read a recent thread here on older 
iceboxes and the benefit of improved insulation, and wonder about my '85.
As other work gets done, the ice box has moved up the project list a bit.

I replaced the gasket and the manual drain pump, and will need to tighten the 
lid screws to address wear/lid wobble, (might need screw holes filled) and 
replace the rusting and now detached wire basket/shelf inside.  For sure the 
small gap between the two lid sections could be sealed somehow, and I will cut 
a closed-cell foam "blanket" to cover the top.  This should help deal with the 
gap as well as insulate a bit better.   After that, the work gets more invasive 
as the insulated (we hope) cavities are quite difficult to access.

Has anyone tackled a 33-2 ice box?  I am wondering mostly about the amount of 
insulation and whether it was installed effectively.   Any thoughts or advice 
would be much appreciated!

Dave Syer
'85 33-2 Windstar.
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Dave,

I?ve heard a lot of good things about Engel ? it?s what I?m planning on using 
when I redo the refrigeration on the Enterprise.

See: 
http://www.engelcoolers.com/fridge-freezers/shop-by-adventure/rv/scqt-4408f-u1-i


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 









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Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?

[Syerdave--- via CnC-List]

Interesting discussion.  Here is a link to a thorough but concise overview of 
refrig. Capacity and to Dennis' point, a comparison of evaporator vs holding 
plate types.


http://www.sailnet.com/forums/gear-maintenance-articles/19913-refrigeration%97part-ii-selecting-system.html

Dave 


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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:12:30 -0500
From: "Dennis C." 
To: CnClist 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?
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My boat worker colleague thinks they are worth the extra $$.  Like I said,
I bought an Isotherm.  I didn't seriously consider the Technautics units
because of price.  I looked hard at the FrigoBoat and Isotherm units.  Both
seem to be highly regarded.

I just wanted to make the list aware of the Technautics units because they
are apparently very good, have excellent technical support and have very
low amp draw.  Whether or not they're worth the price differential, who
knows?

I think the bigger decision when considering refrigeration is whether to
install a traditional evaporator type unit or a cold plate type unit.
There are advantages to each particularly if you turn the system off when
you leave the boat for a few days.

Touche's Isotherm cold plate unit takes quite a while to cool down but once
it does, I think it works very well.  We sometimes give it some help by
throwing a bag of ice in the bottom of the box.  It's been holding temps of
37-38F easily.

If you want a quick cool down day sail type system perhaps an evaporator
unit is better.  My perception is that they cool the box quicker.

Dennis C.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


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