Stus-List Courtesy lights replacement bulbs

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Expanding on the LED discussion, does anyone know what type of bulb is in
the courtesy lights in the Rob Ball era boats? They have to be small.

Thanks,
Kevin
1989 30-2
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Re: Stus-List Winches....

[rjcasciato via CnC-List]

Hi Dave...The new Pontos winches are new for thus season..They are 4 speed 
and shift gears sort of automatically.  You don't have to switch or flip 
buttons. 
They are fast and the video in the ads is very accurate.  They say you could 
use only 1 trimmer since he could release and get to the incoming sheet faster 
than the usual system.I'm lucky enough to have 2 guys that handle our 155 
nicely.So far, I /they really like them.  I don't have any service 
experience yet..I bought them from Defender on sale.About $4300 for 
both.they fit right where my BarientSTs wereI'm currently operating 
with only 4 winches. 2 Pontos 46 Grinders and 2 BarientSTs on the coach roof 
for halyards.I cleaned off the deck and retired all the other 
winchesHope this helpsRon


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 Original message 
From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
Date: 08/15/2017  6:09 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: C List  
Cc: Dave Godwin  
Subject: Stus-List Winches 

Ron,

"primaries replaced with Pontos 46 Grinders..what a difference…..”
Tell me more about those Points winches if you would. I’ve just completed 
servicing all my winches prior to re-installing them and have been thinking 
about some replacements. My Barient 28’s, self-tailing and non, are getting to 
be a hand-full for us older folks.
Press looks good but just may be marketing. Have you had them long? Any service 
problems? Too good to be true?  ;-)
Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake BayRonin’s Overdue Refit


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Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale

[coltrek via CnC-List]

It means that if you grab it, you're going to get cut. Or, in the case of a 
stock, you buy it as it's going down, and then it goes bankrupt. I know all 
about it. I suppose in the case of a boat, it's one that is so far gone that 
you will invest more money and time than you will ever get out of it.


Regards,
Bill

 Original message 
From: RANDY via CnC-List  
Date: 8/15/17  18:54  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list  
Cc: RANDY  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale 

Joe what do you mean by "'falling knife' investment"?
Cheers,Randy
From: "Joe via CnC-List Della Barba" 
To: "cnc-list" 
Cc: "Joe Della Barba" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:01:36 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale

The boat was in horrible shape about 6-8 years ago and probably has not 
improved. I doubt you would do well even if you got her for free.Speaking of 
boat values, pretty much any older boat now is a “falling knife” investment. If 
anyone does still want old boats, no reason to get a half or 3/4s dead one.  
Joe Della BarbaCoquinaC 35 MK I   From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of detroito91 via CnC-List
 Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:51 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: detroito91 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale At $ 10,000.00. Something has got to 
be in real bad shape!  (I hope)Jim38 lfWashington ncSent from my T-Mobile 
4G LTE Device  Original message From: Frederick G Street via 
CnC-List  Date: 8/15/17 10:08 AM (GMT-05:00) To:  
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Frederick G Street  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Landfall for sale  “Wow” is right — there go the property values in 
the neighborhood…   :^( — Fred
 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Aug 15, 2017, at 8:40 
AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  wrote: WOW!  Don't know 
the boat, but could be a bargain. 
https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/cc-landfall/6264221307.html
 --Joel 
 301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List Oven thermostat

[G Collins via CnC-List]

d'Oh!  Did not read that clearly!

Apologies.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2017-08-15 9:52 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List wrote:
Unfortunately, that is a thermometer (which I have) not a thermostat.

Gary

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 6:44 PM G Collins via CnC-List 
> wrote:

You could use a hanging thermostat, one of the ones you put inside the oven.  
Requires that the glass door be clear enough to see thru...

Like this 
one.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2017-08-15 11:05 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List wrote:
I have a Force 10 stove on Kaylarah and it annoys me that the oven doesn't have 
a thermostat (just a simple valve like the top burners).  Has anyone ever tried 
to put a thermostat in the oven of a Force 10 stove?

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
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Re: Stus-List Oven thermostat

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Unfortunately, that is a thermometer (which I have) not a thermostat.

Gary

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 6:44 PM G Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You could use a hanging thermostat, one of the ones you put inside the
> oven.  Requires that the glass door be clear enough to see thru...
>
> Like this one.
> 
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
>
> On 2017-08-15 11:05 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I have a Force 10 stove on Kaylarah and it annoys me that the oven doesn't
> have a thermostat (just a simple valve like the top burners).  Has anyone
> ever tried to put a thermostat in the oven of a Force 10 stove?
>
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
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Re: Stus-List Overheating mystery

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Buddy of mine had a similar issue.  Sucked a plastic bag against the
intake.  When he turned the engine off and hoisted sails, it detached and
floated off,  He saw it.  Re-cranked the engine and it ran fine.

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List Dinghy on fordeck

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I keep our 9'4" Achilles on the foredeck and sail with it when we have the
boat in Pensacola.  No real issues.  Just rig a line from toe rail to toe
rail over the dinghy to keep the jibsheets from fouling.

The Admiral and I are quite adept at using a halyard to launch and retrieve
it.  Just use a piece of Dri-Deck or something to rest it on.  Don't use a
towel.  It can retain water and cause blisters on the deck.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Aug 15, 2017 12:49 PM, "john wright via CnC-List" 
wrote:

Any owners of 38 Landfall or any other C, keep/store their tender on the
foredeck. I am thinking of having Chocks made that at minimum, I can keep a
rowing wood tender thats 10 ft long on the foredeck. Not sure about while
under sail. Thoughts?

Thanks
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Re: Stus-List Dinghy on fordeck

[john wright via CnC-List]

Chuck, can you please show a picture. Thanks
> On Aug 15, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've bought the same inflatable RIB as Fred for our Landfall 35 but opted for 
> a set of Forespar Davits to make dinghy storage a breeze.  Bought at the 
> annual Defender sale, they fit the boat well and retain access to the stern 
> ladder without whacking your head on the cross brace when the dinghy is in 
> the water.  And the width of the Davit mounts match perfectly with the lift 
> points on the dinghy.
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> 1983 35 Landfall
> Padanaram, MA
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 15, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
> > wrote:
> 
>> John — over the last winter I purchased new Mercury 280 Hypalon RIB for my 
>> boat (to replace the 20-year-old Seaworthy 9.2 wooden-floor dinghy, which 
>> was starting to slow-leak…), and I put it up on the foredeck to store out of 
>> the water between sailing weekends.  There’s no way I could sail with it up 
>> there; it would foul both the genny and the sheets.  I could always deflate 
>> it, but that would just add time when we got out into the islands.  So we 
>> tow it behind when leaving the marina, and hoist it back on deck when we’re 
>> ready to leave the boat after a trip out.
>> 
>> Given the shape of the foredeck (narrow and pointy), the cabin top and the 
>> length of your rowing dinghy, I’m not sure I can imagine how you’d make it 
>> work.
>> 
>> — Fred
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2017, at 12:49 PM, john wright via CnC-List 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Any owners of 38 Landfall or any other C, keep/store their tender on the 
>>> foredeck. I am thinking of having Chocks made that at minimum, I can keep a 
>>> rowing wood tender thats 10 ft long on the foredeck. Not sure about while 
>>> under sail. Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
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Re: Stus-List Dinghy on fordeck

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

I've bought the same inflatable RIB as Fred for our Landfall 35 but opted for a 
set of Forespar Davits to make dinghy storage a breeze.  Bought at the annual 
Defender sale, they fit the boat well and retain access to the stern ladder 
without whacking your head on the cross brace when the dinghy is in the water.  
And the width of the Davit mounts match perfectly with the lift points on the 
dinghy.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram, MA



> On Aug 15, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> John — over the last winter I purchased new Mercury 280 Hypalon RIB for my 
> boat (to replace the 20-year-old Seaworthy 9.2 wooden-floor dinghy, which was 
> starting to slow-leak…), and I put it up on the foredeck to store out of the 
> water between sailing weekends.  There’s no way I could sail with it up 
> there; it would foul both the genny and the sheets.  I could always deflate 
> it, but that would just add time when we got out into the islands.  So we tow 
> it behind when leaving the marina, and hoist it back on deck when we’re ready 
> to leave the boat after a trip out.
> 
> Given the shape of the foredeck (narrow and pointy), the cabin top and the 
> length of your rowing dinghy, I’m not sure I can imagine how you’d make it 
> work.
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2017, at 12:49 PM, john wright via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Any owners of 38 Landfall or any other C, keep/store their tender on the 
>> foredeck. I am thinking of having Chocks made that at minimum, I can keep a 
>> rowing wood tender thats 10 ft long on the foredeck. Not sure about while 
>> under sail. Thoughts?
>> 
>> Thanks
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Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Joe what do you mean by "'falling knife' investment"? 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "Joe via CnC-List Della Barba"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Joe Della Barba"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:01:36 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale 



The boat was in horrible shape about 6-8 years ago and probably has not 
improved. I doubt you would do well even if you got her for free. 

Speaking of boat values, pretty much any older boat now is a “falling knife” 
investment. If anyone does still want old boats, no reason to get a half or 
3/4s dead one. 





Joe Della Barba 

Coquina 

C 35 MK I 








From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of detroito91 
via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:51 AM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: detroito91  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale 





At $ 10,000.00. Something has got to be in real bad shape! (I hope) 


Jim 


38 lf 


Washington nc 











Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device 





 Original message  


From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 


Date: 8/15/17 10:08 AM (GMT-05:00) 


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 


Cc: Frederick G Street < f...@postaudio.net > 


Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale 





“Wow” is right — there go the property values in the neighborhood… :^( 





— Fred 



Fred Street -- Minneapolis 
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI 








On Aug 15, 2017, at 8:40 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> wrote: 





WOW! Don't know the boat, but could be a bargain. 





https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/cc-landfall/6264221307.html 





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301 541 8551 




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Re: Stus-List Oven thermostat

[G Collins via CnC-List]

You could use a hanging thermostat, one of the ones you put inside the oven.  
Requires that the glass door be clear enough to see thru...

Like this 
one.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2017-08-15 11:05 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List wrote:
I have a Force 10 stove on Kaylarah and it annoys me that the oven doesn't have 
a thermostat (just a simple valve like the top burners).  Has anyone ever tried 
to put a thermostat in the oven of a Force 10 stove?

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
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Stus-List Winches....

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Ron,

"primaries replaced with Pontos 46 Grinders..what a difference…..”

Tell me more about those Points winches if you would. I’ve just completed 
servicing all my winches prior to re-installing them and have been thinking 
about some replacements. My Barient 28’s, self-tailing and non, are getting to 
be a hand-full for us older folks.

Press looks good but just may be marketing. Have you had them long? Any service 
problems? Too good to be true?  ;-)

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

[rjcasciato via CnC-List]

Hi Hank...I am still a happy owner of a 38MkII that came from the Custom 
Shop..you guys would love thus boat.originally built for a guy in 
Chicago specifically for the Mac races..absolutly no amenities.I 
finally installed shore power about 3 years ago...The dorade boxes and 4-5 
barients also wentprimaries replaced with Pontos 46 Grinders..what a 
difference.Those barients are available..by the way..This boat now 
looks like it came out of the mold yesterday..and the race record over the 
past 3 years is above average
The Custom Shop certainly did a great job on this one.Ron CImpromptuC 
38MKIIC, 1977


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: henry evans via CnC-List 
 Date: 8/15/17  10:09 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: Paul Fountain 
via CnC-List  Cc: henry evans  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall 
Paul,You are correct.  Eric Bruckmann's plant was one of the original 4 
entities merged to create C Yachts.  Eric was a brilliant, old school master 
boatwright who was willing to try new technology, although sometimes 
grudgingly. He would grouse and grumble, but get it done.  He did almost all 
the prototype work and built all the custom boats.  He also built some of the 
wood plugs from which production tooling was made.  There simply wasn't 
anything in the boat building business at the time, that our custom plant could 
not do. With boats like "Red Jacket", the Canada's Cupper "Evergreen" and the 
MEGA with its bullet proof windows, what came out of that plant was cutting 
edge, state of the art technology. They were making reality out of the creative 
ideas coming from the industry's brightest design office of the time. 
I found excuses to stop by there quite often. I'd always visit with David Gee 
who was plant manager and Eric to see what was going on then wander around the 
plant asking questions and observing. There was always something new and 
different happening,  things to be seen and learned. For someone who loved 
boats, it was like a kid visiting a candy store.
Hank Evans

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 8:39:10 AM CDT, Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
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If memory serves me – The custom shop was at Bruckmann’s in Oakville (actually 
Bronte on the west side of Oakville), still in business today, but
 at a different location in Mississauga. 
   


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On Behalf Of Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List

Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:21 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: Matthew L. Wolford 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall 


   



Question for Hank: 


  


    Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less a 
sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the “custom shop.” 




  



From:
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Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM 


To:
Jerome Tauber via CnC-List
 


Cc:
henry evans
 


Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on
 the 38 vs the 38 landfall 




  






Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2. 



  


If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI. 


  


Hank Evans 


  


  




On Monday, August 14, 2017, 6:56:44 PM CDT, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote: 


  


  




According to sailboat data online "

The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry 

  


  


  



-Original Message-

From: john 

Re: Stus-List Dinghy on fordeck

[john wright via CnC-List]

Thanks. I agree, my thinking is that it will be towed while under sail. Its an 
Acorn Tender and they tow very well.


> On Aug 15, 2017, at 2:33 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I have stowed my inflatable on the fordeck of my LF38 during the winter also. 
> It is an Achilles 280 RIB. I have sailed with it there, but the hub sheets 
> can get tangled and it is a royal PITA to go forward. 
> I sailed to Hawaii with a hard she'll dinghy lashed to the fore deck of a 35 
> Ericson. Once again ROYAL PITA. No other choice there. 
> FWIW
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy 
> POYC 
> Pegasus (for sale) 
> Lf38 
> Rebecca Leah LF39 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
> Date: 8/15/17 11:15 (GMT-08:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Frederick G Street 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Dinghy on fordeck
> 
> John — over the last winter I purchased new Mercury 280 Hypalon RIB for my 
> boat (to replace the 20-year-old Seaworthy 9.2 wooden-floor dinghy, which was 
> starting to slow-leak…), and I put it up on the foredeck to store out of the 
> water between sailing weekends.  There’s no way I could sail with it up 
> there; it would foul both the genny and the sheets.  I could always deflate 
> it, but that would just add time when we got out into the islands.  So we tow 
> it behind when leaving the marina, and hoist it back on deck when we’re ready 
> to leave the boat after a trip out.
> 
> Given the shape of the foredeck (narrow and pointy), the cabin top and the 
> length of your rowing dinghy, I’m not sure I can imagine how you’d make it 
> work.
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2017, at 12:49 PM, john wright via CnC-List 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Any owners of 38 Landfall or any other C, keep/store their tender on the 
>> foredeck. I am thinking of having Chocks made that at minimum, I can keep a 
>> rowing wood tender thats 10 ft long on the foredeck. Not sure about while 
>> under sail. Thoughts?
>> 
>> Thanks
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Re: Stus-List Mast pumping?

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

We have had that problem with our 35 since we got it. My fix this summer
was to velcro an extended boathook to the shrouds on port, with the rubber
handle and rubber tips against the shrouds. Looks silly, but it worked.
http://i.imgur.com/nnfnQDR.jpg



Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 13 August 2017 at 18:49, Alan Liles via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I spent some time loosening and tightening mast related items. The spare
> genoa halyard had the most effect. When I eased it the mast shook a couple
> of times then settled down. There has been no vibrations since, although
> the conditions have changed as well. Thanks for all replies on a perplexing
> issue.
>
> Al Liles
> SV Elendil
> C 37/40+
> Vancouver
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> These things can be mysterious. Here's some more items to check:
>  www.briontoss.com/spartalk/showthread.php?p=6821
>
> Good luck with the quest.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> Sweet 35 mk-1
>
> At 02:27 AM 13/08/2017, you wrote:
>
> Loosen the backstay.
>
> On 8/13/2017 1:28 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote:
>
>
> Hi Al,
>
> Hoist a fender up a halyard so it hangs somewhere between the upper &
> lower spreaders and is near or alongside the mast.
>
> Or, goggle vortex shedding and then after an hour or so of reading, see
> above.
>
> It's nothing to worry about. *Sweet *does this occasionally.
>
> Cheers, Russ
>
> At 08:55 PM 12/08/2017, you wrote:
>
> So I'm sitting at the dock with a 10 knot breeze on the beam and a strange
> pulsating noise begins. You can feel it through the boat. I go on deck and
> find it's the mast moving fore and aft at the middle. Thinking it strange I
> tighten the baby stay and it slows but doesn't stop. Anyone else have this
> happen? What to do?
>
> Cheers, Al
>
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Re: Stus-List Dinghy on fordeck

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

I have stowed my inflatable on the fordeck of my LF38 during the winter also. 
It is an Achilles 280 RIB. I have sailed with it there, but the hub sheets can 
get tangled and it is a royal PITA to go forward. I sailed to Hawaii with a 
hard she'll dinghy lashed to the fore deck of a 35 Ericson. Once again ROYAL 
PITA. No other choice there. FWIW
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus (for sale) Lf38 
Rebecca Leah LF39 
 Original message From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 Date: 8/15/17  11:15  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Frederick G Street  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Dinghy on fordeck 
John — over the last winter I purchased new Mercury 280 Hypalon RIB for my boat 
(to replace the 20-year-old Seaworthy 9.2 wooden-floor dinghy, which was 
starting to slow-leak…), and I put it up on the foredeck to store out of the 
water between sailing weekends.  There’s no way I could sail with it up there; 
it would foul both the genny and the sheets.  I could always deflate it, but 
that would just add time when we got out into the islands.  So we tow it behind 
when leaving the marina, and hoist it back on deck when we’re ready to leave 
the boat after a trip out.
Given the shape of the foredeck (narrow and pointy), the cabin top and the 
length of your rowing dinghy, I’m not sure I can imagine how you’d make it work.
— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI


On Aug 15, 2017, at 12:49 PM, john wright via CnC-List  
wrote:
Any owners of 38 Landfall or any other C, keep/store their tender on the 
foredeck. I am thinking of having Chocks made that at minimum, I can keep a 
rowing wood tender thats 10 ft long on the foredeck. Not sure about while under 
sail. Thoughts?

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Re: Stus-List Dinghy on fordeck

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

John — over the last winter I purchased new Mercury 280 Hypalon RIB for my boat 
(to replace the 20-year-old Seaworthy 9.2 wooden-floor dinghy, which was 
starting to slow-leak…), and I put it up on the foredeck to store out of the 
water between sailing weekends.  There’s no way I could sail with it up there; 
it would foul both the genny and the sheets.  I could always deflate it, but 
that would just add time when we got out into the islands.  So we tow it behind 
when leaving the marina, and hoist it back on deck when we’re ready to leave 
the boat after a trip out.

Given the shape of the foredeck (narrow and pointy), the cabin top and the 
length of your rowing dinghy, I’m not sure I can imagine how you’d make it work.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 15, 2017, at 12:49 PM, john wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Any owners of 38 Landfall or any other C, keep/store their tender on the 
> foredeck. I am thinking of having Chocks made that at minimum, I can keep a 
> rowing wood tender thats 10 ft long on the foredeck. Not sure about while 
> under sail. Thoughts?
> 
> Thanks
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Stus-List Dinghy on fordeck

[john wright via CnC-List]

Any owners of 38 Landfall or any other C, keep/store their tender on the 
foredeck. I am thinking of having Chocks made that at minimum, I can keep a 
rowing wood tender thats 10 ft long on the foredeck. Not sure about while under 
sail. Thoughts?

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Re: Stus-List Deck creaking mystery + spider cracking at stanchions

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

It's very common to have spider web cracking in the gelcoat (and maybe into
the fiberglass) on old boats around the stanchions. It doesn't necessarily
mean water is getting into the core, but it's good to investigate, which it
sounds like you're doing.

Many surveyors will say they found voids (air pockets in the layup) or even
wet core, without really explaining the meaning of that (to a new boat
owner) or the severity. Have you asked the surveyor how he determined the
deck was wet and approximately what size area it was? A good surveyor would
be able to tell you that (and would've already included it in the written
report ideally).

If you can send some pictures that would help. Hard to speculate too much
without seeing it.

You're right that the deck within a few inches of the hull-deck joint is
solid fiberglass, so you don't need to worry about deck penetrations there.
I did a writeup on cored/non-cored sections of the deck for the LF38
(caveat: every boat is different, not guaranteed to be the same for all)
here: https://svviolethour.com/2016/01/26/rebedding-on-a-cc-landfall-38/

Those things may be obvious to many here, but as a new boat owner,
identifying every cored vs non-cored area on the boat and which ones to
worry about was not obvious at all and took me about a year.

Not sure what to think of the creaking while jumping fore/aft of the
chainplates. Depends on how hard you're jumping. :) It could mean any of a
number of things.

-Patrick
1984 LF38

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:54 AM,  wrote:
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Chris Hobson 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 08:43:50 -0700
> Subject: Stus-List Deck creaking mystery + spider cracking at stanchions
> The surveyor found what he said was wet deck near a stanchion aft of the
> shrouds, at the base are spider-cracks. I’ve sounded that area of the deck
> myself, measured with a moisture meter and found nothing notable - but I’m
> no expert.
>
> I even drilled a pilot hole down below to see if water was in the core
> from the underside and it's dry as a bone. Which tells me the spider
> cracking around the base of the stanchion is compromising the integrity of
> the top layer. And if you put pressure on it it flexes. But so do other
> stanchions. Also there’s about 4-5” of solid fibreglass from the hull/deck
> joint around the entire perimeter of the boat which takes up about 60% of
> the area where the spider cracks emanate out from. I might grind it out and
> re-epoxy.
>
> Also when I jump up and down forward/aft of the chainplates there’s
> creaking. The only thing I can connect it with is the teak woodwork down
> below where it meets the deck is perhaps rubbing. Otherwise it’s pretty
> sound and there’s no obvious flexing on the deck other than at the
> stanchion.
>
> Anyone else have a squeaky deck? And I assume that any and all of this is
> pretty much on par with a boat of this vintage. I just like the idea that
> it’s something I can resolve.
>
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C MKI
> Hull 615
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Very cool.  Thanks.

From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:04 PM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Ken Heaton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

The current company website for Bruckmann Yachts: 
http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/ 

And a couple of pages with lots of photos of Red Jacket, the 40 footer form 
1966: http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/index.php/company/red-jacket/

Bruckmann Yachts
2265 Royal Windsor Dr.
Mississauga, Ontario

This is the west end of Mississauga, near Oakville.

Ken H.


On 15 August 2017 at 10:38, Paul Fountain via CnC-List  
wrote:

  If memory serves me – The custom shop was at Bruckmann’s in Oakville 
(actually Bronte on the west side of Oakville), still in business today, but at 
a different location in Mississauga.



  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
  Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:21 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: Matthew L. Wolford 


  Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall


  Question for Hank:



  Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less 
a sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the “custom shop.”



  From: henry evans via CnC-List 

  Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM

  To: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 

  Cc: henry evans 

  Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall



  Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.



  If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI.



  Hank Evans





  On Monday, August 14, 2017, 6:56:44 PM CDT, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:





  According to sailboat data online "
  The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry







  -Original Message-
  From: john wright via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list 
  Cc: john wright 
  Sent: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 7:52 pm
  Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

  Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from the 
same mold?

  Thanks
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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

The current company website for Bruckmann Yachts:
http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/

And a couple of pages with lots of photos of Red Jacket, the 40 footer form
1966: http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/index.php/company/red-jacket/

Bruckmann Yachts
2265 Royal Windsor Dr.
Mississauga, Ontario

This is the west end of Mississauga, near Oakville.

Ken H.


On 15 August 2017 at 10:38, Paul Fountain via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> If memory serves me – The custom shop was at Bruckmann’s in Oakville
> (actually Bronte on the west side of Oakville), still in business today,
> but at a different location in Mississauga.
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Matthew
> L. Wolford via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:21 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Matthew L. Wolford 
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
>
>
>
> Question for Hank:
>
>
>
> Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or
> less a sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were
> built in the “custom shop.”
>
>
>
> *From:* henry evans via CnC-List 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM
>
> *To:* Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
>
> *Cc:* henry evans 
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
>
>
>
> Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.
> The basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.
>
>
>
> If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at
> RI.
>
>
>
> Hank Evans
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2017, 6:56:44 PM CDT, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> According to sailboat data online "
> The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a
> shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's
> Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: john wright via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: john wright 
> Sent: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 7:52 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
>
> Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from
> the same mold?
>
> Thanks
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Re: Stus-List GENCO canvas near Toronto

[Joseph Bognar via CnC-List]

There are lots of interesting things to do . The CN Tower Tour. Ripleys 
Aquarium . Niagara Falls is an hours drive away . There is the historic 
Distillery district. Which is the old Gooderham and Worts Distillery . 

Sent from Joe Bognar


> On Aug 15, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Well, Holland Marine is just around the corner.
> 
> http://www.hollandmarine.com/
> 
> 
> 
>> On 14 August 2017 at 15:58, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> 
>> I need to take my canvas back to them for winter work later this year. Is 
>> there anything interesting near there to do if I am going to drive all that 
>> way anyway? Never been near their shop and had to fight some NAFTA inspired 
>> customs billing nightmare last time we shipped anything, so driving it is.
>> 
>> (shipping canvas for an alteration and back to me had both USA and Canadian 
>> customs thinking this was new stuff going both ways argh!)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Joe Della Barba
>> 
>> Coquina
>> 
>> C 35 MK I
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
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From: Tim Sippel <tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
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Genco ? whether its Toronto or Mississauga, both are close to the Toronto boat 
show  ? if you can wait til 2018.

http://www.torontoboatshow.com/2018/

conversely I have a sewing machine?


Tim Sippel

C 33mkii  Matico

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Subject: Stus-List GENCO canvas near Toronto


I need to take my canvas back to them for winter work later this year. Is there 
anything interesting near there to do if I am going to drive all that way 
anyway? Never been near their shop and had to fight some NAFTA inspired customs 
billing nightmare last time we shipped anything, so driving it is.
(shipping canvas for an alteration and back to me had both USA and Canadian 
customs thinking this was new stuff going both ways argh!)


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I







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From: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
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Wasn?t that in Oakville, by Missisauga?

? Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Aug 15, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Question for Hank:

    Where was the ?custom shop??  I have a ?42 Custom,? which is more or less a 
sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the ?custom shop.?

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If memory serves me ? The custom shop was at Bruckmann?s in Oakville (actually 
Bronte on the west side of Oakville), still in business today, but at a 
different location in Mississauga.

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford <wolf...@erie.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Question for Hank:

    Where was the ?custom shop??  I have a ?42 Custom,? which is more or less a 
sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the ?custom shop.?

From: henry evans via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM
To: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: henry evans<mailto:hjevans...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.

If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI.

Hank 

Re: Stus-List Overheating mystery

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

 "
>> The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
>> shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
>> Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: john wright via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
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>> Sent: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 7:52 pm
>> Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
>> 
>> Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from 
>> the same mold?
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>> Genco ? whether its Toronto or Mississauga, both are close to the Toronto 
>> boat show  ? if you can wait til 2018.
>> 
>> http://www.torontoboatshow.com/2018/ <http://www.torontoboatshow.com/2018/>
>> 
>> conversely I have a sewing machine?
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Sippel
>> 
>> C 33mkii  Matico
>> 
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
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>> Cc: Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov 
>> <mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
>> Subject: Stus-List GENCO canvas near Toronto
>> 
>> 
>> I need to take my canvas back to them for winter work later this year. Is 
>> there anything interesting near there to do if I am going to drive all that 
>> way anyway? Never been near their shop and had to fight some NAFTA inspired 
>> customs billing nightmare last time we shipped anything, so driving it is.
>> (shipping canvas for an alteration and back to me had both USA and Canadian 
>> customs thinking this was new stuff going both ways argh!)
>> 
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>> Joe Della Barba
>> Coquina
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Re: Stus-List Overheating mystery

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

ndly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from 
>> the same mold?
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>> Genco ? whether its Toronto or Mississauga, both are close to the Toronto 
>> boat show  ? if you can wait til 2018.
>> 
>> http://www.torontoboatshow.com/2018/
>> 
>> conversely I have a sewing machine?
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Sippel
>> 
>> C 33mkii  Matico
>> 
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della 
>> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
>> Sent: August 14, 2017 2:59 PM
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>> Cc: Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
>> Subject: Stus-List GENCO canvas near Toronto
>> 
>> 
>> I need to take my canvas back to them for winter work later this year. Is 
>> there anything interesting near there to do if I am going to drive all that 
>> way anyway? Never been near their shop and had to fight some NAFTA inspired 
>> customs billing nightmare last time we shipped anything, so driving it is.
>> (shipping canvas for an alteration and back to me had both USA and Canadian 
>> customs thinking this was new stuff going both ways argh!)
>> 
>> 
>> Joe Della Barba
>> Coquina
>> C 35 MK I
>> 
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>> 
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>> From: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
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>> Wasn?t that in Oakville, by Missisauga?
>> 
>> ? Fred
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Question for Hank:
>>> 
>>>Where was the ?custom shop??  I have a ?42 Custom,? which is more or 
>>> less a sistership of th

Stus-List Overheating mystery

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Yesterday as we were pulling out of an overnight at Otter Bay and had an 
overheating issue.  Steam out the exhaust and that alarm thing. We drifted 
around with Lynn on watch while I checked the impeller, intake and belts.  But 
no luck.  So, we called vessel assist ( if you cruise and do not have Boat US 
tow insurance you should).

We hauled up the sails and headed for Van Isle and the tow boat found us just 
as the wind died.

I call ahead to Stew at U.K. and he recommended a Yanmar mechanic, Ben, who was 
able to get down and check thing out once we landed.  Absolutely nothing wrong 
with the cooling system.  It was all just fine.  He did find a few items that 
I'll need to address, like a seized loose mount, but the raw water system was 
clear and flushing great.

This is the second time I have had an overheating issue that is appeared 
without explanation.  Anyone else have this sort of thing happen?

Maybe Alera just wanted to sail and was letting us know that she would not 
motor until we did...oh well, on to Victoria.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


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> Question for Hank:
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>Where was the ?custom shop??  I have a ?42 Custom,? which is more or less 
> a sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built 
> in the ?custom shop.?
> 
> From: henry evans via CnC-List 
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM
> To: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
> Cc: henry evans 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
> 
> Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
> basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.
> 
> If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI.
> 
> Hank Evans
> 
> 
> On Monday, August 14, 2017, 6:56:44 PM CDT, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> According to sailboat data online "
> The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
> shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
> Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Cc: john wright <johnrogerswri...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 7:52 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
> 
> Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from the 
> same mold?
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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

[henry evans via CnC-List]

I could get in a car today and drive you to the building, but I can't remember 
the address or tell you how to get there.  Oldtimers disease.  

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 8:50:22 AM CDT, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
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{}#yiv9591989414 I previously heard it was in Oakville.  Sounds like the 
information was accurate.  I’ll have a look around the next time I’m in the 
area. Thanks. From: Paul Fountain via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 
9:38 AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Paul Fountain Subject: Re: Stus-List 
Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall 
If memory serves me – The custom shop was at Bruckmann’s in Oakville (actually 
Bronte on the west side of Oakville), still in business today, but at a 
different location in Mississauga.
 
  

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Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
 
  

Question for Hank:
 
 
 
    Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less a 
sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the “custom shop.”
 
 
 
From: henry evans via CnC-List 
 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM
 
To: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 
Cc: henry evans 
 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
 
 
 
Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.
 
 
 
If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI.
 
 
 
Hank Evans
 
 
 
 
 
On Monday, August 14, 2017, 6:56:44 PM CDT, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
According to sailboat data online "
The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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To: cnc-list 
Cc: john wright 
Sent: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 7:52 pm
Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from the 
same mold?

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Re: Stus-List Crack at hull support below chainplate (cont...)

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Just for grins, make a nice fillet for the tabbing.  Grind back to virgin
glass or wood, mix some thickened epoxy, put an epoxy bead around the joint
then smooth it into a radius fillet with the backside of a plastic spoon.
Let it cure then tab it with some biaxial tape.

For the bead use a syringe or a plastic zip lock bag with a corner cut off
(think cake decorating).

Dennis C.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the feedback. I did some snooping and surely it’s a shelf, not
> structural. Will tab it with fibreglass and call it a day.
>
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> S/V Going
> 1980 C MKI
> Hull 615
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Stus-List Deck creaking mystery + spider cracking at stanchions

[Chris Hobson via CnC-List]

The surveyor found what he said was wet deck near a stanchion aft of the 
shrouds, at the base are spider-cracks. I’ve sounded that area of the deck 
myself, measured with a moisture meter and found nothing notable - but I’m no 
expert. 

I even drilled a pilot hole down below to see if water was in the core from the 
underside and it's dry as a bone. Which tells me the spider cracking around the 
base of the stanchion is compromising the integrity of the top layer. And if 
you put pressure on it it flexes. But so do other stanchions. Also there’s 
about 4-5” of solid fibreglass from the hull/deck joint around the entire 
perimeter of the boat which takes up about 60% of the area where the spider 
cracks emanate out from. I might grind it out and re-epoxy. 

Also when I jump up and down forward/aft of the chainplates there’s creaking. 
The only thing I can connect it with is the teak woodwork down below where it 
meets the deck is perhaps rubbing. Otherwise it’s pretty sound and there’s no 
obvious flexing on the deck other than at the stanchion. 

Anyone else have a squeaky deck? And I assume that any and all of this is 
pretty much on par with a boat of this vintage. I just like the idea that it’s 
something I can resolve. 

Chris Hobson
S/V Going
1980 C MKI
Hull 615


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Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

I think someone may get a great deal.  

It has such a paltry description with inaccurate draft info by “Original 
owner”.My guess is that it is a family estate sale.



-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

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> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale
> 
> At $ 10,000.00. Something has got to be in real bad shape!  (I hope)
> Jim
> 38 lf
> Washington nc
> 
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>  Original message 
> From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List   >>
> Date: 8/15/17 10:08 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
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> Cc: Frederick G Street   >>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale
> 
> ?Wow? is right ? there go the property values in the neighborhood?   :^(
> 
> ? Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
> 
> On Aug 15, 2017, at 8:40 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List   >> wrote:
> 
> WOW!  Don't know the boat, but could be a bargain.
> 
> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/cc-landfall/6264221307.html 
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Stus-List Crack at hull support below chainplate (cont...)

[Chris Hobson via CnC-List]

Thanks for the feedback. I did some snooping and surely it’s a shelf, not 
structural. Will tab it with fibreglass and call it a day.

Chris Hobson
S/V Going
1980 C MKI
Hull 615


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Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The boat was in horrible shape about 6-8 years ago and probably has not 
improved. I doubt you would do well even if you got her for free.
Speaking of boat values, pretty much any older boat now is a “falling knife” 
investment. If anyone does still want old boats, no reason to get a half or 
3/4s dead one.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



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via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:51 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: detroito91 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale

At $ 10,000.00. Something has got to be in real bad shape!  (I hope)
Jim
38 lf
Washington nc



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 Original message 
From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>
Date: 8/15/17 10:08 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale

“Wow” is right — there go the property values in the neighborhood…   :^(

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Aug 15, 2017, at 8:40 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> wrote:

WOW!  Don't know the boat, but could be a bargain.

https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/cc-landfall/6264221307.html

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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall - Now C Custom

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Hank,

Eric’s son Mark is now running the business, and doing custom boats still, both 
power and sail  – usually Mark Ellis designs ( a C alumni). He also does 
custom work, I had him make the new teak hand rails for our C a couple of 
years ago, he does beautiful work. My sister has had him do a bunch of work on 
her C 30, Her table should be in a Better Homes and Gardens show house!

Good friends have a power boat built by him that is also beautiful.

The old building is still there, and may be vacant by now – the City now owns 
the property, and runs the docks along Bronte Creek.

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via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:10 AM
To: Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
Cc: henry evans 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Paul,
You are correct.  Eric Bruckmann's plant was one of the original 4 entities 
merged to create C Yachts.  Eric was a brilliant, old school master 
boatwright who was willing to try new technology, although sometimes 
grudgingly. He would grouse and grumble, but get it done.  He did almost all 
the prototype work and built all the custom boats.  He also built some of the 
wood plugs from which production tooling was made.  There simply wasn't 
anything in the boat building business at the time, that our custom plant could 
not do. With boats like "Red Jacket", the Canada's Cupper "Evergreen" and the 
MEGA with its bullet proof windows, what came out of that plant was cutting 
edge, state of the art technology. They were making reality out of the creative 
ideas coming from the industry's brightest design office of the time.

I found excuses to stop by there quite often. I'd always visit with David Gee 
who was plant manager and Eric to see what was going on then wander around the 
plant asking questions and observing. There was always something new and 
different happening,  things to be seen and learned. For someone who loved 
boats, it was like a kid visiting a candy store.

Hank Evans


On Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 8:39:10 AM CDT, Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
> wrote:



If memory serves me – The custom shop was at Bruckmann’s in Oakville (actually 
Bronte on the west side of Oakville), still in business today, but at a 
different location in Mississauga.



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Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall



Question for Hank:



Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less a 
sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the “custom shop.”



From: henry evans via CnC-List

Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM

To: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List

Cc: henry evans

Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall



Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.



If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI.



Hank Evans





On Monday, August 14, 2017, 6:56:44 PM CDT, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
> wrote:




According to sailboat data online "
The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry



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>
To: cnc-list >
Cc: john wright >
Sent: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 7:52 pm
Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from the 
same mold?

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Re: Stus-List Oven thermostat

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

Try sure marine they handle all things for cooking and hearing. 
www.suremarineservice.com

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Rebecca Leah LF39 
 Original message From: Gary Russell via CnC-List 
 Date: 8/15/17  07:05  (GMT-08:00) To: C List 
 Cc: Gary Russell  Subject: 
Stus-List Oven thermostat 
I have a Force 10 stove on Kaylarah and it annoys me that the oven doesn't have 
a thermostat (just a simple valve like the top burners).  Has anyone ever tried 
to put a thermostat in the oven of a Force 10 stove?
GaryS/V Kaylarah '90 C 37+East Greenwich, RI, USA-- 
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Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale

[detroito91 via CnC-List]

At $ 10,000.00. Something has got to be in real bad shape!  (I hope)Jim38 
lfWashington nc 


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 Date: 8/15/17  10:08 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Frederick G Street  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Landfall for sale 
“Wow” is right — there go the property values in the neighborhood…   :^(
— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI


On Aug 15, 2017, at 8:40 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
wrote:
WOW!  Don't know the boat, but could be a bargain.
https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/cc-landfall/6264221307.html

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Re: Stus-List GENCO canvas near Toronto

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Well, Holland Marine is just around the corner.

http://www.hollandmarine.com/



On 14 August 2017 at 15:58, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
>
> I need to take my canvas back to them for winter work later this year. Is
> there anything interesting near there to do if I am going to drive all that
> way anyway? Never been near their shop and had to fight some NAFTA inspired
> customs billing nightmare last time we shipped anything, so driving it is.
>
> (shipping canvas for an alteration and back to me had both USA and
> Canadian customs thinking this was new stuff going both ways argh!)
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

[henry evans via CnC-List]

Paul,You are correct.  Eric Bruckmann's plant was one of the original 4 
entities merged to create C Yachts.  Eric was a brilliant, old school master 
boatwright who was willing to try new technology, although sometimes 
grudgingly. He would grouse and grumble, but get it done.  He did almost all 
the prototype work and built all the custom boats.  He also built some of the 
wood plugs from which production tooling was made.  There simply wasn't 
anything in the boat building business at the time, that our custom plant could 
not do. With boats like "Red Jacket", the Canada's Cupper "Evergreen" and the 
MEGA with its bullet proof windows, what came out of that plant was cutting 
edge, state of the art technology. They were making reality out of the creative 
ideas coming from the industry's brightest design office of the time. 
I found excuses to stop by there quite often. I'd always visit with David Gee 
who was plant manager and Eric to see what was going on then wander around the 
plant asking questions and observing. There was always something new and 
different happening,  things to be seen and learned. For someone who loved 
boats, it was like a kid visiting a candy store.
Hank Evans

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 8:39:10 AM CDT, Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
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If memory serves me – The custom shop was at Bruckmann’s in Oakville (actually 
Bronte on the west side of Oakville), still in business today, but at a 
different location in Mississauga.
 
  
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
 
  
 
Question for Hank:
 
 
 
    Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less a 
sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the “custom shop.”
 
 
 
From:henry evans via CnC-List
 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM
 
To:Jerome Tauber via CnC-List
 
Cc:henry evans
 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
 
 
 
Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.
 
 
 
If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI.
 
 
 
Hank Evans
 
 
 
 
 
On Monday, August 14, 2017, 6:56:44 PM CDT, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
According to sailboat data online "
The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: john wright via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: john wright 
Sent: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 7:52 pm
Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from the 
same mold?

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Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

“Wow” is right — there go the property values in the neighborhood…   :^(

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 15, 2017, at 8:40 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> WOW!  Don't know the boat, but could be a bargain.
> 
> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/cc-landfall/6264221307.html 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Joel 
> 301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

I know the boat. It was docked next to ours at our friends house/marina on Mill 
Creek when we kept “Ronin" in Annapolis. Joe is correct. Never used or cared 
for. I would on occasionally pull debris out of the cockpit drains to keep the 
water level from overflowing the hatch boards…

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Aug 15, 2017, at 9:52 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I looked at a Landfall near there several years ago that had deck leaks, bad 
> cracks around the ports (wet core freezing???), and diesel in the bilge. If 
> this boat is that one, they are asking too much.
>  
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
> Aronson via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:40 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Joel Aronson 
> Subject: Stus-List Landfall for sale
>  
> WOW!  Don't know the boat, but could be a bargain.
>  
> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/cc-landfall/6264221307.html 
> 
>  
> -- 
> Joel 
> 301 541 8551
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Stus-List Oven thermostat

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I have a Force 10 stove on Kaylarah and it annoys me that the oven doesn't
have a thermostat (just a simple valve like the top burners).  Has anyone
ever tried to put a thermostat in the oven of a Force 10 stove?

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
-- 
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Re: Stus-List Landfall for sale

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I looked at a Landfall near there several years ago that had deck leaks, bad 
cracks around the ports (wet core freezing???), and diesel in the bilge. If 
this boat is that one, they are asking too much.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



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via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:40 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List Landfall for sale

WOW!  Don't know the boat, but could be a bargain.

https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/cc-landfall/6264221307.html

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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I previously heard it was in Oakville.  Sounds like the information was 
accurate.  I’ll have a look around the next time I’m in the area.

Thanks.

From: Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Paul Fountain 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

If memory serves me – The custom shop was at Bruckmann’s in Oakville (actually 
Bronte on the west side of Oakville), still in business today, but at a 
different location in Mississauga.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

 

Question for Hank:

 

Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less a 
sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the “custom shop.”

 

From: henry evans via CnC-List 

Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM

To: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 

Cc: henry evans 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

 

Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.

 

If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI.

 

Hank Evans

 

 

On Monday, August 14, 2017, 6:56:44 PM CDT, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 

 

According to sailboat data online "
The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: john wright via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: john wright 
Sent: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 7:52 pm
Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from the 
same mold?

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Stus-List Landfall for sale

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

WOW!  Don't know the boat, but could be a bargain.

https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/cc-landfall/6264221307.html

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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

If memory serves me – The custom shop was at Bruckmann’s in Oakville (actually 
Bronte on the west side of Oakville), still in business today, but at a 
different location in Mississauga.

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Question for Hank:

Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less a 
sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the “custom shop.”

From: henry evans via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM
To: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List
Cc: henry evans
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.

If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI.

Hank Evans


On Monday, August 14, 2017, 6:56:44 PM CDT, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
> wrote:


According to sailboat data online "
The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry



-Original Message-
From: john wright via CnC-List 
>
To: cnc-list >
Cc: john wright >
Sent: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 7:52 pm
Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from the 
same mold?

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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Wasn’t that in Oakville, by Missisauga?

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 15, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Question for Hank:
>  
> Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less 
> a sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built 
> in the “custom shop.”

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Re: Stus-List GENCO canvas near Toronto

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Genco … whether its Toronto or Mississauga, both are close to the Toronto boat 
show  … if you can wait til 2018.

http://www.torontoboatshow.com/2018/

conversely I have a sewing machine…


Tim Sippel

C 33mkii  Matico

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Joe via CnC-List
Sent: August 14, 2017 2:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List GENCO canvas near Toronto


I need to take my canvas back to them for winter work later this year. Is there 
anything interesting near there to do if I am going to drive all that way 
anyway? Never been near their shop and had to fight some NAFTA inspired customs 
billing nightmare last time we shipped anything, so driving it is.
(shipping canvas for an alteration and back to me had both USA and Canadian 
customs thinking this was new stuff going both ways argh!)


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I







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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Question for Hank:

Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less a 
sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the “custom shop.”

From: henry evans via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM
To: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
Cc: henry evans 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.

If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI.

Hank Evans


On Monday, August 14, 2017, 6:56:44 PM CDT, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:


According to sailboat data online "
The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry




-Original Message-
From: john wright via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: john wright 
Sent: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 7:52 pm
Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from the 
same mold?

Thanks
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