Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I’ll expand on my earlier post a bit, since I have one of each:

1.   The phone. This is CHEAP and good. I like the Navionics charts and 
their nav program is very easy to use. I can see no reason NOT to have it 
unless you don’t have a phone. That said, there is no way I would ever trust a 
phone as a primary nav instrument. The battery gets eaten fast using this app, 
it is hard to read in sunlight, it is not waterproof, it is not designed to be 
wet and banged around, and you can always get a phone call right in the middle 
of navigating the narrow rocks passage or maybe some IOS update will kick off. 
You are of course limited by screen size and feeding AIS or instrument data 
into a phone takes some doing.

2.   OpenCPN. My favorite by far. It is an excellent program, charts are 
free, and nothing beats a nice 15 inch color display. I feed AIS info into this 
program and it is very useful with changeable CPA alerts. Radar overlay is 
possible. What I don’t like is all about the PC: It is not marine gear and 
cannot get wet. It sits below out of the sun, wind, and rain where I can’t see 
it from the helm. The current draw is 2x-4x higher than a dedicated plotter. 
Depending on your IT skills, you have some exposure to PC malfunctions at the 
worst possible time. I have mine working pretty well, but any PC can have 
issues. One reason my PC works well is it does NOTHING ELSE. It is never ever 
connected to the internet. No games, no browsing, nothing but nav EVER.

3.   Marine GPS plotter. I have a CP180 at the helm. The CMAP charts are 
mostly excellent, but some areas are less detail than NOAA and some are more. 
It has a nice daylight readable color display, it is waterproof, and it right 
in front of me at the helm. The power draw is low and reliability is high. 
There are multiple NMEA inputs and outputs, so linking to the VHF and AIS is 
easy. The bad points are paying for CMAPs and the screen size. With a 5 inch 
screen, you can see detail or see a long way around you, but not both. For one 
example, to get good enough resolution to see the narrow channel into Kent 
Narrows well, you are basically zoomed in to about 200-300 feet around the 
boat. I bought it to save power and to have a dead reliable screen at the 
*helm*. I am on autopilot about 80% of the time, but the 20% I am not tends to 
be the trickiest navigation where I need to see around me and see the plotter 
with my hand on the wheel. The CP180 has a fishfinder option I may get off 
FleaBay one of these days.
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

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via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:37 PM
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Cc: Rick Brass 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

I see you used to be on Sailing Anarchy, too.

Rick Brass
Imzadi  C&C 38 mk2 #47
la Belle Aurore  C&C 25 mk1 #225
Washington, NC



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Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

Other email sailing lists tend to be plagued by a scarcity of real experts, 
flamers, know nothings who believe they know it all, big personalities who 
argue at the drop of a hat and more.

Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.








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 Original message 
From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List
Date:09/18/2017 5:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none
Fred,

Why are you suddenly so friendly? In the past non-C&C lurkers where threatened 
with keelhauling…


Marek
1994 C270 legato
Ottawa, ON
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 16:09
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none


On Sep 18, 2017, at 2:00 PM, David Castor via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Mostly lurk on this list since I bought a Sabre instead of C&C.

We forgive you…   :^)   Actually, my slip neighbor has a Sabre 36, and it’s a 
beautiful boat.  I may go that way someday, too.


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Re: Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

 When I replaced the ignition switch, a simple pull on push off, I changed it 
to a three position switch.
I don't think this is exactly it but close:

M-476-BX

https://www.carltonbates.com/static/catalog/products/images/PDF/M-476-BX.pdf

On the first detent out I use #1 for the ignition.. The second detent ( further 
out ) still has #1 powered
for the ignition and I used #2 for the gauge lights. I normally do not light 
the gauges during the
day, and may want darkness at some point at night.

I think the switch I used moves the contact material between the first and 
second position so sort
of like a backup switch.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1





From: Bruce Whitmore  

 
Good point, Michael.? There is a significant difference that I failed to 
mention between the in/out ignition switch and the push button, and in 
retrospect it may have been the push/pull that I replaced - It's been a lot of 
years, and I just replaced a different type of silver pushbutton switch on my 
37/40+.?  
 
Good insights from all,  
?Bruce Whitmore 
 
(847) 404-5092 (mobile) 
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net 
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

FWIW, for most navigating on our boat (Lake Erie), I use Navionics on an iPad, 
which is in a waterproof case and mounted with a RAM mount to the steering 
pedestal.  Power use is an issue, so I have two power packs for when the 
battery is low.  (I could wire a charge cord to the iPad mount, but this has 
not been necessary.)  When the iPad nearly runs out of juice (about 3 or 4 
hours), I plug in a powerpack.  That gets me about 3 more hours, which is 
usually enough for the type of sailing/distance racing that we do.  If not, I 
have a second power pack, which can be used while the first one is recharging.

The reasons I went this route are: 1) ease of use; and 2) technology changes so 
fast any more that I did not want to invest in an expensive nav system only to 
discover that it is obsolete by the time I hook it up.  (I still have a Loran 
unit in my basement.)

The system is simple, but it works fine for me.  I don’t use autopilot, which 
would obviously make a big difference.

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:07 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

I’ll expand on my earlier post a bit, since I have one of each:

1.   The phone. This is CHEAP and good. I like the Navionics charts and 
their nav program is very easy to use. I can see no reason NOT to have it 
unless you don’t have a phone. That said, there is no way I would ever trust a 
phone as a primary nav instrument. The battery gets eaten fast using this app, 
it is hard to read in sunlight, it is not waterproof, it is not designed to be 
wet and banged around, and you can always get a phone call right in the middle 
of navigating the narrow rocks passage or maybe some IOS update will kick off. 
You are of course limited by screen size and feeding AIS or instrument data 
into a phone takes some doing.

2.   OpenCPN. My favorite by far. It is an excellent program, charts are 
free, and nothing beats a nice 15 inch color display. I feed AIS info into this 
program and it is very useful with changeable CPA alerts. Radar overlay is 
possible. What I don’t like is all about the PC: It is not marine gear and 
cannot get wet. It sits below out of the sun, wind, and rain where I can’t see 
it from the helm. The current draw is 2x-4x higher than a dedicated plotter. 
Depending on your IT skills, you have some exposure to PC malfunctions at the 
worst possible time. I have mine working pretty well, but any PC can have 
issues. One reason my PC works well is it does NOTHING ELSE. It is never ever 
connected to the internet. No games, no browsing, nothing but nav EVER.

3.   Marine GPS plotter. I have a CP180 at the helm. The CMAP charts are 
mostly excellent, but some areas are less detail than NOAA and some are more. 
It has a nice daylight readable color display, it is waterproof, and it right 
in front of me at the helm. The power draw is low and reliability is high. 
There are multiple NMEA inputs and outputs, so linking to the VHF and AIS is 
easy. The bad points are paying for CMAPs and the screen size. With a 5 inch 
screen, you can see detail or see a long way around you, but not both. For one 
example, to get good enough resolution to see the narrow channel into Kent 
Narrows well, you are basically zoomed in to about 200-300 feet around the 
boat. I bought it to save power and to have a dead reliable screen at the 
*helm*. I am on autopilot about 80% of the time, but the 20% I am not tends to 
be the trickiest navigation where I need to see around me and see the plotter 
with my hand on the wheel. The CP180 has a fishfinder option I may get off 
FleaBay one of these days.

Joe

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:37 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

 

I see you used to be on Sailing Anarchy, too.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C&C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 7:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: jackbrennan 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

 

Other email sailing lists tend to be plagued by a scarcity of real experts, 
flamers, know nothings who believe they know it all, big personalities who 
argue at the drop of a hat and more. 

 

Jack Brennan

Former C&C 25

Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30

Tierra Verde, Fl.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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 Original message 
From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
Date:09/18/2017 5:51 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when th

Re: Stus-List Factory Direct RIB

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Danny,

Several months ago there was an article in Sail on picking a dinghy.  I
might still have it if you are interested in reading it.  If you plan to
beach it alot, aluminum may make more sense than fiberglass.  not sure if
you are looking at a flat floor.  That might be a nice upgrade.
It sounds like a great price.

Joel


Virus-free.
www.avg.com

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On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I'm considering ordering a RIB factory direct and want to throw the idea
> out there and if there were any opinions on the topic.
>
> So, a 10ish foot PVC tube, Aluminum hull is about $900 and about $300
> hundred to ship to Boston.  I'm not completely convinced on the aluminum
> solution and may stick with Fiberglass.
>
> These look like the same boats sold under various names, North Atlantic,
> Coastal, Highfield  all of which were offering a 10ish footer at the boat
> show for $2000.
>
> The $893 boat is for 0.9MM 16 inch tubes.  I'm also asking for the 1.2MM
> fabric quote.  One company only upped the price by $65 for the heavier
> fabric
>
> Anyone have any thoughts?
>
> Anyone interested in buying a rib this way?
>
> One nice thing is that they have started offering the tube cover or Dinghy
> chaps right from the factory.
>
> I was considering ordering a full package including a trailer.
>
> So far I've got a price for;
>
> Boat, aluminum hull no bow locker $893 plus $90 for the bow locker
> Chaps $80
> Boat Cover $30
> Trailer $560
> SubTotal $1563
> Shipping Approx $500 (adding over $200 beyond the quote to cover
> whatever...)
> total $2063
>
> So, for the price of the boat at the show, I could get all the extras
> shipped to Boston.  Price on the trailer is pretty good given it is the
> roller type not the bunk style.  I can get the bunk type locally for $699.
>
> The trickiest part is the shipping.  I'm not quite sure how that all works
> and how I'd receive the shipment.
>
> Do I have to go to the docks and get it?
>
> Anyway, it's my frugal self trying to get a deal!  The shipping is the
> only savings if ordering more than one so not a deal breaker either way in
> my opinion.
>
> Danny
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Water tank replacement

[Robbie Epstein via CnC-List]

I can tell you for sure the tanks in my 1980 C&C 40 are the 5060 on page 31.  
Several years ago I ordered a special unit like the 5060 that was only 30 
inches long (so now only 20 gallons) to make room for an air conditioning unit. 
 It was a piece of cake.  It fit perfectly on the bunks and doesn't leak like 
the old one did.

Robbie
Thorfinn 1980 C&C 40-2 TMDK
Fort Walton Beach, FL

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> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 23:48:12 -0400
> From: "Rick Brass" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Water tank replacement
> Message-ID: <004301d330fa$1e2980b0$5a7c8210$@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I?m guessing it is a 5064 or 5068 on page 30 of the catalog. The 5064 comes 
> in a port & starboard configuration, but 61? seems too long to me.  Jim and I 
> can measure the old tank in the morning.
> 
> 
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick 
> G Street via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 8:15 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Frederick G Street 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Water tank replacement
> 
> 
> 
> Jim ? look at the following PDF.  I?m pretty sure the tanks you need are on 
> page 11 ? the 4071 and 5139 model:
> 
> 
> 
> www.postaudio.net/webserver/Kracor_water_and_holding_tanks.pdf 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Kracor is located in Wisconsin, and as far as I know, they can still supply 
> these.
> 
> 
> 
> ? Fred
> 
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 18, 2017, at 5:21 PM, detroito91 via CnC-List   > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hello everyone
> 
> Finally able how to remove the port water tank on my 38 landfall. The spray 
> in foam held it secure. No to replace it. No repair since it had a 15" crack 
> along the side.
> 
> Question...does anyone happen to have the replacement number for this tank or 
> other ideas.
> 
> Thanks for all your knowledge this list gives me. 
> 
> Jim Schwartz 
> 
> 38 landfall 
> 
> SEA YA !
> 
> washington 


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Stus-List Greetings

[Scott Baker via CnC-List]

Hi all,
I've been lurking on the list for a week or so now. My girlfriend and I bought 
my parents C&C 35 Mk III this year on Lake Ontario (Sodus Bay).
We got off to a slow start this year when I found I huge crack in the rudder 
(Leading edge from top to 2/3 down to bottom). I know the crack was caused by 
frozen water infiltration.
Any ways, the repair I did to the rudder took quite a while and the high water 
on the lake did not help either but we finally launched Aug. 25th. We've been 
making up for lost time onboard
Since then as we need to be ready to haul back out by Oct. 1st.
I'm preparing a huge list of projects for the boat and I'm sure I'll be 
consulting you folks soon enough for your expertise on everything.
I just wanted to come out of the shadows and say hi! I'll try to offer my 
experience when I can too.
I've been sailing about 40 years. I had a Masters captain's license for 10 
years. I directed a sailing school for a few years and I've taught over 300 
adults how to sail.
I've cruised extensively in the great lakes and Caribbean. And sailed some off 
Maine, the Chesapeake, and around Long Beach Ca.
I race and cruise and pretty much everything in between. So, like I said - "Hi" 
thanks in advance for all your help!
Regards,
Scott Baker
Fairport, NY
1987 - C&C 35 Mk III "Top Priority" (Soon to be "Surrender")

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Re: Stus-List Greetings

[James Bibb via CnC-List]

Welcome!  Lots of great experience Scott.  I've been a bit quite on the 
discussion board but read it through whenever there's a post. 

James Bibb 
C&C 34/36R

Juneau, Alaska

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> On Sep 19, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Scott Baker via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I’ve been lurking on the list for a week or so now. My girlfriend and I 
> bought my parents C&C 35 Mk III this year on Lake Ontario (Sodus Bay).
> We got off to a slow start this year when I found I huge crack in the rudder 
> (Leading edge from top to 2/3 down to bottom). I know the crack was caused by 
> frozen water infiltration.
> Any ways, the repair I did to the rudder took quite a while and the high 
> water on the lake did not help either but we finally launched Aug. 25th. 
> We’ve been making up for lost time onboard
> Since then as we need to be ready to haul back out by Oct. 1st.
> I’m preparing a huge list of projects for the boat and I’m sure I’ll be 
> consulting you folks soon enough for your expertise on everything.
> I just wanted to come out of the shadows and say hi! I’ll try to offer my 
> experience when I can too.
> I’ve been sailing about 40 years. I had a Masters captain’s license for 10 
> years. I directed a sailing school for a few years and I’ve taught over 300 
> adults how to sail.
> I’ve cruised extensively in the great lakes and Caribbean. And sailed some 
> off Maine, the Chesapeake, and around Long Beach Ca.
> I race and cruise and pretty much everything in between. So, like I said – 
> “Hi” thanks in advance for all your help!
> Regards,
> Scott Baker
> Fairport, NY
> 1987 - C&C 35 Mk III “Top Priority” (Soon to be “Surrender”)
>  
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

“I did not want to invest in an expensive nav system only to discover that it 
is obsolete by the time I hook it up. “

Of course the life of an iPad is only 3-4 years and tablets and computers 
become obsolete faster than marine equipment.

Yes I also have Navionics on by MS Surface tablet.  I like to use it at chart 
table and at home for charting courses.  Is nce to be able to expand the screen 
to follow your route to make sure you aren’t plotting over an island, etc …  
Also a big enough screen to see and not as huge as the paper charts that 
overwhelm the surface of my chart table.  The best thing about the Navionics 
tablet option is that it is much easier to bring to my living room before my 
trip than the cockpit or nav station of my boat!

I still love the Garmin GPSMAP 740 at our helm.  It is now as old as the first 
iPad (that is no longer used or usable and just as relevant as a new Navionics 
/ iPad solution.  I don’t even think it costs twice what an iPad costs either.  
My 0.02 dollars are that using a tablet as the primary navigation tool is a bit 
foolish but as a tool to augment charts and other devices is a great option.  
You can also take your tablet when you charter a boat or are on someone else’s 
boat which is also nice.

So much for “PLODDING”.  That is what we do when there is no wind

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

Our thoughts are with those facing yet another monster storm

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Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 1:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

FWIW, for most navigating on our boat (Lake Erie), I use Navionics on an iPad, 
which is in a waterproof case and mounted with a RAM mount to the steering 
pedestal.  Power use is an issue, so I have two power packs for when the 
battery is low.  (I could wire a charge cord to the iPad mount, but this has 
not been necessary.)  When the iPad nearly runs out of juice (about 3 or 4 
hours), I plug in a powerpack.  That gets me about 3 more hours, which is 
usually enough for the type of sailing/distance racing that we do.  If not, I 
have a second power pack, which can be used while the first one is recharging.

The reasons I went this route are: 1) ease of use; and 2) technology changes so 
fast any more that I did not want to invest in an expensive nav system only to 
discover that it is obsolete by the time I hook it up.  (I still have a Loran 
unit in my basement.)

The system is simple, but it works fine for me.  I don’t use autopilot, which 
would obviously make a big difference.

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:07 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

I’ll expand on my earlier post a bit, since I have one of each:

1.   The phone. This is CHEAP and good. I like the Navionics charts and 
their nav program is very easy to use. I can see no reason NOT to have it 
unless you don’t have a phone. That said, there is no way I would ever trust a 
phone as a primary nav instrument. The battery gets eaten fast using this app, 
it is hard to read in sunlight, it is not waterproof, it is not designed to be 
wet and banged around, and you can always get a phone call right in the middle 
of navigating the narrow rocks passage or maybe some IOS update will kick off. 
You are of course limited by screen size and feeding AIS or instrument data 
into a phone takes some doing.

2.   OpenCPN. My favorite by far. It is an excellent program, charts are 
free, and nothing beats a nice 15 inch color display. I feed AIS info into this 
program and it is very useful with changeable CPA alerts. Radar overlay is 
possible. What I don’t like is all about the PC: It is not marine gear and 
cannot get wet. It sits below out of the sun, wind, and rain where I can’t see 
it from the helm. The current draw is 2x-4x higher than a dedicated plotter. 
Depending on your IT skills, you have some exposure to PC malfunctions at the 
worst possible time. I have mine working pretty well, but any PC can have 
issues. One reason my PC works well is it does NOTHING ELSE. It is never ever 
connected to the internet. No games, no browsing, nothing but nav EVER.

3.   Marine GPS plotter. I have a CP180 at the helm. The CMAP charts are 
mostly excellent, but some areas are less detail than NOAA and some are more. 
It has a nice daylight readable color display, it is waterproof, and it right 
in front of me at the helm. The power draw is low and reliability is high. 
There are multiple NMEA inputs and outputs, so linking to the VHF and AIS is 
easy. The bad points are paying for CMAPs and the screen size. With a 5 inch 
screen, you can see detail or see a long way

Stus-List tus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Hey, I resemble that remark!

At 11:25 AM 9/19/2017, you wrote:

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
jackbrennan via CnC-List

Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 7:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: jackbrennan mailto:jackbren...@bellsouth.net>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

Other email sailing lists tend to be plagued by a scarcity of real 
experts, flamers, know nothings who believe they know it all, big 
personalities who argue at the drop of a hat and more.


Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
LL 206.463.9200
Mobile 305.409.3660
www.sv-alera.com
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

With all due respect, my “foolish” approach has worked for several years 
without incident.  I have several Garmin GPS units on board for back up, but I 
haven’t had the need to consult them as yet.

I guess Lake Erie is just really easy to navigate.

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

“I did not want to invest in an expensive nav system only to discover that it 
is obsolete by the time I hook it up. “

 

Of course the life of an iPad is only 3-4 years and tablets and computers 
become obsolete faster than marine equipment.

 

Yes I also have Navionics on by MS Surface tablet.  I like to use it at chart 
table and at home for charting courses.  Is nce to be able to expand the screen 
to follow your route to make sure you aren’t plotting over an island, etc …  
Also a big enough screen to see and not as huge as the paper charts that 
overwhelm the surface of my chart table.  The best thing about the Navionics 
tablet option is that it is much easier to bring to my living room before my 
trip than the cockpit or nav station of my boat!

 

I still love the Garmin GPSMAP 740 at our helm.  It is now as old as the first 
iPad (that is no longer used or usable and just as relevant as a new Navionics 
/ iPad solution.  I don’t even think it costs twice what an iPad costs either.  
My 0.02 dollars are that using a tablet as the primary navigation tool is a bit 
foolish but as a tool to augment charts and other devices is a great option.  
You can also take your tablet when you charter a boat or are on someone else’s 
boat which is also nice.

 

So much for “PLODDING”.  That is what we do when there is no wind

 

Mike

Persistence

Halifax

 

Our thoughts are with those facing yet another monster storm

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 1:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

 

FWIW, for most navigating on our boat (Lake Erie), I use Navionics on an iPad, 
which is in a waterproof case and mounted with a RAM mount to the steering 
pedestal.  Power use is an issue, so I have two power packs for when the 
battery is low.  (I could wire a charge cord to the iPad mount, but this has 
not been necessary.)  When the iPad nearly runs out of juice (about 3 or 4 
hours), I plug in a powerpack.  That gets me about 3 more hours, which is 
usually enough for the type of sailing/distance racing that we do.  If not, I 
have a second power pack, which can be used while the first one is recharging.

 

The reasons I went this route are: 1) ease of use; and 2) technology changes so 
fast any more that I did not want to invest in an expensive nav system only to 
discover that it is obsolete by the time I hook it up.  (I still have a Loran 
unit in my basement.)

 

The system is simple, but it works fine for me.  I don’t use autopilot, which 
would obviously make a big difference.

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 

Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:07 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: Della Barba, Joe 

Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

 

I’ll expand on my earlier post a bit, since I have one of each:

1.   The phone. This is CHEAP and good. I like the Navionics charts and 
their nav program is very easy to use. I can see no reason NOT to have it 
unless you don’t have a phone. That said, there is no way I would ever trust a 
phone as a primary nav instrument. The battery gets eaten fast using this app, 
it is hard to read in sunlight, it is not waterproof, it is not designed to be 
wet and banged around, and you can always get a phone call right in the middle 
of navigating the narrow rocks passage or maybe some IOS update will kick off. 
You are of course limited by screen size and feeding AIS or instrument data 
into a phone takes some doing.

2.   OpenCPN. My favorite by far. It is an excellent program, charts are 
free, and nothing beats a nice 15 inch color display. I feed AIS info into this 
program and it is very useful with changeable CPA alerts. Radar overlay is 
possible. What I don’t like is all about the PC: It is not marine gear and 
cannot get wet. It sits below out of the sun, wind, and rain where I can’t see 
it from the helm. The current draw is 2x-4x higher than a dedicated plotter. 
Depending on your IT skills, you have some exposure to PC malfunctions at the 
worst possible time. I have mine working pretty well, but any PC can have 
issues. One reason my PC works well is it does NOTHING ELSE. It is never ever 
connected to the internet. No games, no browsing, nothing but nav EVER.

3.   Marine GPS plotter. I have a CP180 at the helm. The CMAP charts are 
mostly excellent, but some areas ar

Re: Stus-List Greetings

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi Scott!


On 9/19/2017 2:11 PM, James Bibb via CnC-List wrote:
Welcome!  Lots of great experience Scott.  I've been a bit quite on 
the discussion board but read it through whenever there's a post.


James Bibb
C&C 34/36R

Juneau, Alaska

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Scott Baker via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



Hi all,

I’ve been lurking on the list for a week or so now. My girlfriend and 
I bought my parents C&C 35 Mk III this year on Lake Ontario (Sodus Bay).


We got off to a slow start this year when I found I huge crack in the 
rudder (Leading edge from top to 2/3 down to bottom). I know the 
crack was caused by frozen water infiltration.


Any ways, the repair I did to the rudder took quite a while and the 
high water on the lake did not help either but we finally launched 
Aug. 25^th . We’ve been making up for lost time onboard


Since then as we need to be ready to haul back out by Oct. 1^st .

I’m preparing a huge list of projects for the boat and I’m sure I’ll 
be consulting you folks soon enough for your expertise on everything.


I just wanted to come out of the shadows and say hi! I’ll try to 
offer my experience when I can too.


I’ve been sailing about 40 years. I had a Masters captain’s license 
for 10 years. I directed a sailing school for a few years and I’ve 
taught over 300 adults how to sail.


I’ve cruised extensively in the great lakes and Caribbean. And sailed 
some off Maine, the Chesapeake, and around Long Beach Ca.


I race and cruise and pretty much everything in between. So, like I 
said – “Hi” thanks in advance for all your help!


Regards,

Scott Baker

Fairport, NY

1987 - C&C 35 Mk III “Top Priority” (Soon to be “Surrender”)

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Re: Stus-List Greetings

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Welcome Scott!  Small world, I spent the ages of 2 to 12 living in Macedon,
NY and then moved to Canandaigua, NY.  Graduated from Canandaigua Academy
(High school).

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD


On Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 1:43 PM Scott Baker via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I’ve been lurking on the list for a week or so now. My girlfriend and I
> bought my parents C&C 35 Mk III this year on Lake Ontario (Sodus Bay).
>
> We got off to a slow start this year when I found I huge crack in the
> rudder (Leading edge from top to 2/3 down to bottom). I know the crack was
> caused by frozen water infiltration.
>
> Any ways, the repair I did to the rudder took quite a while and the high
> water on the lake did not help either but we finally launched Aug. 25th.
> We’ve been making up for lost time onboard
>
> Since then as we need to be ready to haul back out by Oct. 1st.
>
> I’m preparing a huge list of projects for the boat and I’m sure I’ll be
> consulting you folks soon enough for your expertise on everything.
>
> I just wanted to come out of the shadows and say hi! I’ll try to offer my
> experience when I can too.
>
> I’ve been sailing about 40 years. I had a Masters captain’s license for 10
> years. I directed a sailing school for a few years and I’ve taught over 300
> adults how to sail.
>
> I’ve cruised extensively in the great lakes and Caribbean. And sailed some
> off Maine, the Chesapeake, and around Long Beach Ca.
>
> I race and cruise and pretty much everything in between. So, like I said –
> “Hi” thanks in advance for all your help!
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Baker
>
> Fairport, NY
>
> 1987 - C&C 35 Mk III “Top Priority” (Soon to be “Surrender”)
>
>
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Matthew

Exactly.  You have several other devices in conjunction with your iPad.  Your 
decision to use an iPad at helm is no different than mine to use a Garmin at 
helm.  Both can stop working at any time which is why you have redundant 
systems and why we all keep paper charts on hand as well.

It would also be foolish to use just a hardwired chartplotter for everything.  
What if there is an electrical system failure on board?   Lightning strike?  An 
inadvertent elbow that smashes screen, etc…   In my case that would be two 
chart plotters immediately dead.  I guess my point is that when we rely on one 
single piece of electronic equipment we are not being safe.  I would guess that 
you likely also have a compass, paper charts and all the normal stuff as well 
when you are going anywhere

I have an acquaintance who is a Yacht Master.  Has Captains ticket and Pilots 
license. He uses iPad for all of that and teaches how to.  I doubt that means 
he does not have other redundant systems as well

Mike

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

With all due respect, my “foolish” approach has worked for several years 
without incident.  I have several Garmin GPS units on board for back up, but I 
haven’t had the need to consult them as yet.

I guess Lake Erie is just really easy to navigate.

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

“I did not want to invest in an expensive nav system only to discover that it 
is obsolete by the time I hook it up. “

Of course the life of an iPad is only 3-4 years and tablets and computers 
become obsolete faster than marine equipment.

Yes I also have Navionics on by MS Surface tablet.  I like to use it at chart 
table and at home for charting courses.  Is nce to be able to expand the screen 
to follow your route to make sure you aren’t plotting over an island, etc …  
Also a big enough screen to see and not as huge as the paper charts that 
overwhelm the surface of my chart table.  The best thing about the Navionics 
tablet option is that it is much easier to bring to my living room before my 
trip than the cockpit or nav station of my boat!

I still love the Garmin GPSMAP 740 at our helm.  It is now as old as the first 
iPad (that is no longer used or usable and just as relevant as a new Navionics 
/ iPad solution.  I don’t even think it costs twice what an iPad costs either.  
My 0.02 dollars are that using a tablet as the primary navigation tool is a bit 
foolish but as a tool to augment charts and other devices is a great option.  
You can also take your tablet when you charter a boat or are on someone else’s 
boat which is also nice.

So much for “PLODDING”.  That is what we do when there is no wind

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

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Re: Stus-List Water tank replacement

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I know I'm in the minority but there are a lot of posts on cracked rigid
tanks and very few on flex tanks.  I have two flex tanks on Touche' and
have had no issues at all.

Just saying.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sep 18, 2017 6:21 PM, "detroito91 via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hello everyone
> Finally able how to remove the port water tank on my 38 landfall. The
> spray in foam held it secure. No to replace it. No repair since it had a
> 15" crack along the side.
> Question...does anyone happen to have the replacement number for this tank
> or other ideas.
> Thanks for all your knowledge this list gives me.
> Jim Schwartz
> 38 landfall
> SEA YA !
> washington nc
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I have a Raymarine e7D plotter at the helm and find it very useful; easy to 
read and fairly intuitive to operate. One thing I really like is that it 
transmits via wifi, so at the nav station I keep a first or second generation 
iPad Velcro-ed to the nav station bulkhead as a repeater. It's truly an elegant 
solution as I can look at and control wind instruments, radar, or charts on it. 
I can use my current iPad for a separate charting app while I have the radar on 
the other one. Now my nav desk is clear and tidy. 
For what it's worth, when I was growing up sailing the Strait of Juan de Fuca, 
Puget Sound, and the Gulf of Georgia we didn't have GPS, Loran, or any fancy 
new-fangled nav gear. We navigated using bearings and steering compass courses 
while paying rapt attention to current tables. I think it is a good idea to 
master these skills before you start relying on the glowing screen to keep you 
out of trouble.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 14:51, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Matthew
>  
> Exactly.  You have several other devices in conjunction with your iPad.  Your 
> decision to use an iPad at helm is no different than mine to use a Garmin at 
> helm.  Both can stop working at any time which is why you have redundant 
> systems and why we all keep paper charts on hand as well.
>  
> It would also be foolish to use just a hardwired chartplotter for everything. 
>  What if there is an electrical system failure on board?   Lightning strike?  
> An inadvertent elbow that smashes screen, etc…   In my case that would be two 
> chart plotters immediately dead.  I guess my point is that when we rely on 
> one single piece of electronic equipment we are not being safe.  I would 
> guess that you likely also have a compass, paper charts and all the normal 
> stuff as well when you are going anywhere
>  
> I have an acquaintance who is a Yacht Master.  Has Captains ticket and Pilots 
> license. He uses iPad for all of that and teaches how to.  I doubt that means 
> he does not have other redundant systems as well
>  
> Mike
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
> Wolford via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:39 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none
>  
> With all due respect, my “foolish” approach has worked for several years 
> without incident.  I have several Garmin GPS units on board for back up, but 
> I haven’t had the need to consult them as yet.
>  
> I guess Lake Erie is just really easy to navigate.
>  
> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:24 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none
>  
> “I did not want to invest in an expensive nav system only to discover that it 
> is obsolete by the time I hook it up. “
>  
> Of course the life of an iPad is only 3-4 years and tablets and computers 
> become obsolete faster than marine equipment.
>  
> Yes I also have Navionics on by MS Surface tablet.  I like to use it at chart 
> table and at home for charting courses.  Is nce to be able to expand the 
> screen to follow your route to make sure you aren’t plotting over an island, 
> etc …  Also a big enough screen to see and not as huge as the paper charts 
> that overwhelm the surface of my chart table.  The best thing about the 
> Navionics tablet option is that it is much easier to bring to my living room 
> before my trip than the cockpit or nav station of my boat!
>  
> I still love the Garmin GPSMAP 740 at our helm.  It is now as old as the 
> first iPad (that is no longer used or usable and just as relevant as a new 
> Navionics / iPad solution.  I don’t even think it costs twice what an iPad 
> costs either.  My 0.02 dollars are that using a tablet as the primary 
> navigation tool is a bit foolish but as a tool to augment charts and other 
> devices is a great option.  You can also take your tablet when you charter a 
> boat or are on someone else’s boat which is also nice.
>  
> So much for “PLODDING”.  That is what we do when there is no wind
>  
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax
>  
> Our thoughts are with those facing yet another monster storm
> ___
> 
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> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 
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Re: Stus-List Water heaters

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

If I ever install a water heater on Touche', it will be an Isotemp SPA
model.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sep 18, 2017 11:28 AM, "Glenn Gambel via CnC-List" 
wrote:

I am contemplating replacing my 6 gallon Raritan hot water heater with heat
exchanger with an Atwood/Whale 6 gallon hot water heater with heat
exchanger.  I could get a new Raritan for in the neighborhood of 800
dollars or a new Atwood for around 300 dollars.  Wonder what other's
experience in this area may be???  Would appreciate any feedback.

Glenn Gambel
Wind N Spirits, 1981 C&C 36

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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I also have an e7D.  When I'm in the Bay that's all thats on board besides
my phone.  Offshore I add an iPad and laptop running OpenCPN with a GPS
dongle.  I have a RAM mount for the iPad at the helm so it can be swiveled
towards the skipper.  There is a charging port designed for motorcycles on
the binnacle guard to charge the iPad.

If there is a thunderstorm, the iPad, handheld VHF and phone go in the
microwave to protect them from lightning.  Redunduncy is good!

Joel


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On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a Raymarine e7D plotter at the helm and find it very useful; easy
> to read and fairly intuitive to operate. One thing I really like is that it
> transmits via wifi, so at the nav station I keep a first or second
> generation iPad Velcro-ed to the nav station bulkhead as a repeater. It's
> truly an elegant solution as I can look at and control wind instruments,
> radar, or charts on it. I can use my current iPad for a separate charting
> app while I have the radar on the other one. Now my nav desk is clear and
> tidy.
> For what it's worth, when I was growing up sailing the Strait of Juan de
> Fuca, Puget Sound, and the Gulf of Georgia we didn't have GPS, Loran, or
> any fancy new-fangled nav gear. We navigated using bearings and steering
> compass courses while paying rapt attention to current tables. I think it
> is a good idea to master these skills before you start relying on the
> glowing screen to keep you out of trouble.
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On Sep 19, 2017, at 14:51, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
> Exactly.  You have several other devices in conjunction with your iPad.
> Your decision to use an iPad at helm is no different than mine to use a
> Garmin at helm.  Both can stop working at any time which is why you have
> redundant systems and why we all keep paper charts on hand as well.
>
>
>
> It would also be foolish to use just a hardwired chartplotter for
> everything.  What if there is an electrical system failure on board?
>   Lightning strike?  An inadvertent elbow that smashes screen, etc…   In my
> case that would be two chart plotters immediately dead.  I guess my point
> is that when we rely on one single piece of electronic equipment we are not
> being safe.  I would guess that you likely also have a compass, paper
> charts and all the normal stuff as well when you are going anywhere
>
>
>
> I have an acquaintance who is a Yacht Master.  Has Captains ticket and
> Pilots license. He uses iPad for all of that and teaches how to.  I doubt
> that means he does not have other redundant systems as well
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Matthew L. Wolford via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:39 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Matthew L. Wolford
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is
> none
>
>
>
> With all due respect, my “foolish” approach has worked for several years
> without incident.  I have several Garmin GPS units on board for back up,
> but I haven’t had the need to consult them as yet.
>
>
>
> I guess Lake Erie is just really easy to navigate.
>
>
>
> *From:* Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:24 PM
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
> *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike 
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is
> none
>
>
>
> “I did not want to invest in an expensive nav system only to discover
> that it is obsolete by the time I hook it up. “
>
>
>
> Of course the life of an iPad is only 3-4 years and tablets and computers
> become obsolete faster than marine equipment.
>
>
>
> Yes I also have Navionics on by MS Surface tablet.  I like to use it at
> chart table and at home for charting courses.  Is nce to be able to expand
> the screen to follow your route to make sure you aren’t plotting over an
> island, etc …  Also a big enough screen to see and not as huge as the paper
> charts that overwhelm the surface of my chart table.  The best thing about
> the Navionics tablet option is that it is much easier to bring to my living
> room before my trip than the cockpit or nav station of my boat!
>
>
>
> I still love the Garmin GPSMAP 740 at our helm.  It is now as old as the
> first iPad (that is no longer used or usable and just as relevant as a new
> Navionics / iPad solution.  I don’t even think it costs twice what an iPad
> costs either.  My 0.02 dollars are that using a tablet as the pr

Re: Stus-List Water heaters

[William Hall via CnC-List]

Hey, those look pretty good.
Good timing - I had just ordered a replacement raritan heater - the
original seems to have rusted out - but looks like the order didn't go
through. I think I'll get one of these instead. Thanks!
Bill Hall
Starfire, 1985 C&C 37

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> If I ever install a water heater on Touche', it will be an Isotemp SPA
> model.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Sep 18, 2017 11:28 AM, "Glenn Gambel via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I am contemplating replacing my 6 gallon Raritan hot water heater with
> heat exchanger with an Atwood/Whale 6 gallon hot water heater with heat
> exchanger.  I could get a new Raritan for in the neighborhood of 800
> dollars or a new Atwood for around 300 dollars.  Wonder what other's
> experience in this area may be???  Would appreciate any feedback.
>
> Glenn Gambel
> Wind N Spirits, 1981 C&C 36
>
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>
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Re: Stus-List Danfoss Compressor Controller

[Glenn Gambel via CnC-List]

Edd or Tom,
How did you decide it was the controller and not the compressor?  Is 
there a way to test to determine if the current controller is bad?  My 
controller is a 102N3030 12V DC with a 15 amp fuse.   I believe the 
digital control that you found on line will work in my boat, but I hate 
to spend $295 to find out it is not the controller but really the 
compressor or something else.


Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Glenn Gambel
Wind N Spirits
C&C 36

-- Original Message --
From: "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: "Edd Schillay" 
Sent: 9/18/2017 7:46:30 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Danfoss Compressor Controller


Tom,

Awesome! Thanks!

All the best,

Edd

---
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C&C 37+
Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
City Island, New York
---
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On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:50 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Edd

OK, I located the info. The deal is that it's not so much the 
manufacturer, but the compressor.  These Nova Kools have a Danfoss.  
These 4-pin controllers work with them.  It got the lead  from the 
folks at Sure Marine. They could not help due to the age of our units.  
But they did some research and came up with these.   Guess I caught em 
on a good day!



Hi Tom,

The information David provided you is not completely accurate.
The 4-pin Danfoss was used by a bunch of companies.
it is definitely obsolete, but if you do a Google search, it appears 
that a few people still have stock.


http://www.outbackmarine.com.au/null~1325 



http://www.penguinfrigo.co.uk/shop/product/436/control-module-12v-dc4-pinfor-danfoss-bd3-earlier-compressors/ 




Kind regards,

Todd Glenn

*Sure Marine Service Inc.*
(206) 784-9903
(800) 562-7797
Fax (206) 784-0506

t...@suremarine.com


They're the best.

Tom B

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Re: Stus-List Danfoss Compressor Controller

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Glenn,

Honestly, the only thing I did was wiring -- a few were loose so I stripped, 
cleaned and made better connections. 

That's when the lights came on and the plate started getting cold. The temp in 
the chest dropped 5 degrees in a half hour -- which leads me to believe the 
compressor works. 

The control, however, has a dial that won't turn, stuck on the highest setting, 
7. (Personally, I prefer my knobs go to 11 -- and extra points to anyone who 
gets that reference.)

If it's really working again, I may just leave everything as-is instead of 
shelling out big bucks for a new controller for a 27 year-old fridge. 

In your case, to test it, look at the wiring diagram and see if you can skip 
the controller and apply power directly to the compressor. One manual I found 
talked about a jumper wire. 

Hope you get cool results. Good luck. 

All the best,

Edd

---
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Captain of the Starship Enterprise 
C&C 37+ 
Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
City Island, New York
---
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On Sep 19, 2017, at 5:42 PM, Glenn Gambel via CnC-List  
wrote:

Edd or Tom,
How did you decide it was the controller and not the compressor?  Is there a 
way to test to determine if the current controller is bad?  My controller is a 
102N3030 12V DC with a 15 amp fuse.   I believe the digital control that you 
found on line will work in my boat, but I hate to spend $295 to find out it is 
not the controller but really the compressor or something else.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Glenn Gambel
Wind N Spirits
C&C 36

-- Original Message --
From: "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: "Edd Schillay" 
Sent: 9/18/2017 7:46:30 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Danfoss Compressor Controller

> Tom,
> 
> Awesome! Thanks!
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> ---
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise 
> C&C 37+ 
> Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, New York
> ---
> 914.774.9767   | Mobile
> ---
> Sent via iPhone 7
> iPhone. iTypos. iApologize
> 
> 
> On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:50 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Edd
> 
> OK, I located the info. The deal is that it's not so much the manufacturer, 
> but the compressor.  These Nova Kools have a Danfoss.  These 4-pin 
> controllers work with them.  It got the lead  from the folks at Sure Marine. 
> They could not help due to the age of our units.  But they did some research 
> and came up with these.   Guess I caught em on a good day!
> 
>> Hi Tom,
>> 
>> The information David provided you is not completely accurate.
>> The 4-pin Danfoss was used by a bunch of companies.
>> it is definitely obsolete, but if you do a Google search, it appears that a 
>> few people still have stock.
>> 
>> http://www.outbackmarine.com.au/null~1325
>> 
>> http://www.penguinfrigo.co.uk/shop/product/436/control-module-12v-dc4-pinfor-danfoss-bd3-earlier-compressors/
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Todd Glenn
>> 
>> *Sure Marine Service Inc.*
>> (206) 784-9903
>> (800) 562-7797
>> Fax (206) 784-0506
>> 
>> t...@suremarine.com
> 
> They're the best.
> 
> Tom B
> 
> At 04:56 PM 9/17/2017, you wrote:
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Re: Stus-List Danfoss Compressor Controller

[G Collins via CnC-List]

Edd: my hull is #11, we are maxed out...

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2017-09-19 7:14 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:
Glenn,

Honestly, the only thing I did was wiring -- a few were loose so I stripped, 
cleaned and made better connections.

That's when the lights came on and the plate started getting cold. The temp in 
the chest dropped 5 degrees in a half hour -- which leads me to believe the 
compressor works.

The control, however, has a dial that won't turn, stuck on the highest setting, 
7. (Personally, I prefer my knobs go to 11 -- and extra points to anyone who 
gets that reference.)

If it's really working again, I may just leave everything as-is instead of 
shelling out big bucks for a new controller for a 27 year-old fridge.

In your case, to test it, look at the wiring diagram and see if you can skip 
the controller and apply power directly to the compressor. One manual I found 
talked about a jumper wire.

Hope you get cool results. Good luck.

All the best,

Edd

---
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Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+
Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
City Island, New York
---
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---
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On Sep 19, 2017, at 5:42 PM, Glenn Gambel via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Edd or Tom,
How did you decide it was the controller and not the compressor?  Is there a 
way to test to determine if the current controller is bad?  My controller is a 
102N3030 12V DC with a 15 amp fuse.   I believe the digital control that you 
found on line will work in my boat, but I hate to spend $295 to find out it is 
not the controller but really the compressor or something else.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Glenn Gambel
Wind N Spirits
C&C 36

-- Original Message --
From: "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: "Edd Schillay" mailto:e...@schillay.com>>
Sent: 9/18/2017 7:46:30 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Danfoss Compressor Controller

Tom,

Awesome! Thanks!

All the best,

Edd

---
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Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+
Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
City Island, New York
---
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---
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On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:50 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Edd

OK, I located the info. The deal is that it's not so much the manufacturer, but 
the compressor.  These Nova Kools have a Danfoss.  These 4-pin controllers work 
with them.  It got the lead  from the folks at Sure Marine. They could not help 
due to the age of our units.  But they did some research and came up with 
these.   Guess I caught em on a good day!

Hi Tom,

The information David provided you is not completely accurate.
The 4-pin Danfoss was used by a bunch of companies.
it is definitely obsolete, but if you do a Google search, it appears that a few 
people still have stock.

http://www.outbackmarine.com.au/null~1325

http://www.penguinfrigo.co.uk/shop/product/436/control-module-12v-dc4-pinfor-danfoss-bd3-earlier-compressors/


Kind regards,

Todd Glenn

*Sure Marine Service Inc.*
(206) 784-9903
(800) 562-7797
Fax (206) 784-0506

t...@suremarine.com

They're the best.

Tom B

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Re: Stus-List Danfoss Compressor Controller

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

Why don't you just make 10 a little louder, make 10 the top number, make 
that a little louder?


These go to 11.

/This is spinal tap./

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 9/19/2017 6:14 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:

Glenn,

Honestly, the only thing I did was wiring -- a few were loose so I 
stripped, cleaned and made better connections.


That's when the lights came on and the plate started getting cold. The 
temp in the chest dropped 5 degrees in a half hour -- which leads me 
to believe the compressor works.


The control, however, has a dial that won't turn, stuck on the highest 
setting, 7. (Personally, I prefer my knobs go to 11 -- and extra 
points to anyone who gets that reference.)


If it's really working again, I may just leave everything as-is 
instead of shelling out big bucks for a new controller for a 27 
year-old fridge.


In your case, to test it, look at the wiring diagram and see if you 
can skip the controller and apply power directly to the compressor. 
One manual I found talked about a jumper wire.


Hope you get cool results. Good luck.

All the best,

Edd

---
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Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+
Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
City Island, New York
---
914.774.9767   | Mobile
---
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On Sep 19, 2017, at 5:42 PM, Glenn Gambel via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Edd or Tom,
How did you decide it was the controller and not the compressor?  Is 
there a way to test to determine if the current controller is bad?  My 
controller is a 102N3030 12V DC with a 15 amp fuse.   I believe the 
digital control that you found on line will work in my boat, but I 
hate to spend $295 to find out it is not the controller but really the 
compressor or something else.


Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Glenn Gambel
Wind N Spirits
C&C 36

-- Original Message --
From: "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" >

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Edd Schillay" mailto:e...@schillay.com>>
Sent: 9/18/2017 7:46:30 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Danfoss Compressor Controller


Tom,

Awesome! Thanks!

All the best,

Edd

---
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Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+
Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
City Island, New York
---
914.774.9767   | Mobile
---
Sent via iPhone 7
iPhone. iTypos. iApologize


On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:50 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Edd

OK, I located the info. The deal is that it's not so much the 
manufacturer, but the compressor.  These Nova Kools have a Danfoss.  
These 4-pin controllers work with them.  It got the lead  from the 
folks at Sure Marine. They could not help due to the age of our 
units.  But they did some research and came up with these.   Guess I 
caught em on a good day!



Hi Tom,

The information David provided you is not completely accurate.
The 4-pin Danfoss was used by a bunch of companies.
it is definitely obsolete, but if you do a Google search, it appears 
that a few people still have stock.


http://www.outbackmarine.com.au/null~1325 



http://www.penguinfrigo.co.uk/shop/product/436/control-module-12v-dc4-pinfor-danfoss-bd3-earlier-compressors/ 




Kind regards,

Todd Glenn

*Sure Marine Service Inc.*
(206) 784-9903
(800) 562-7797
Fax (206) 784-0506

t...@suremarine.com 


They're the best.

Tom B

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Re: Stus-List Water heaters

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

I think you will be happy with the Isotherm. 


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus (for sale) Lf38 
Rebecca Leah LF39 
 Original message From: William Hall via CnC-List 
 Date: 9/19/17  12:37  (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list 
 Cc: William Hall  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Water heaters 
Hey, those look pretty good.Good timing - I had just ordered a replacement 
raritan heater - the original seems to have rusted out - but looks like the 
order didn't go through. I think I'll get one of these instead. Thanks!Bill 
HallStarfire, 1985 C&C 37
On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:
If I ever install a water heater on Touche', it will be an Isotemp SPA model.
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA
On Sep 18, 2017 11:28 AM, "Glenn Gambel via CnC-List"  
wrote:




I am contemplating replacing my 6 gallon Raritan hot water heater with heat 
exchanger with an Atwood/Whale 6 gallon hot water heater with heat exchanger.  
I could get a new Raritan for in the neighborhood of 800 dollars or a new 
Atwood for around 300 dollars.  Wonder what other's experience in this area may 
be???  Would appreciate any feedback.  
Glenn GambelWind N Spirits, 1981 C&C 36
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Stus-List Danfoss Compressor Controller

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

After my exhaustive research (about 10 minutes) my initial suspicion 
that the unit just needed some freon, I lkearned that these old 
Danfoss compressors is pretty bulletproof.  The jumper thing that Edd 
mentioned probably would be a good first step.


My decision to pull the trigger on the controller was the fact that 
the refrigerator was running very erratically.  Sometimes it would be 
fine and then it would just get all goofy.  Clearly a software issue!


Tom B

Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
LL 206.463.9200
Mobile 305.409.3660
www.sv-alera.com

At 03:15 PM 9/19/2017, you wrote:

Message: 5
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 18:14:28 -0400
From: Edd Schillay 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Danfoss Compressor Controller
Message-ID: <56d5c1be-2457-4145-bf20-7f7e17d78...@schillay.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Glenn,

Honestly, the only thing I did was wiring -- a few were loose so I 
stripped, cleaned and made better connections.


That's when the lights came on and the plate started getting cold. 
The temp in the chest dropped 5 degrees in a half hour -- which 
leads me to believe the compressor works.


The control, however, has a dial that won't turn, stuck on the 
highest setting, 7. (Personally, I prefer my knobs go to 11 -- and 
extra points to anyone who gets that reference.)


If it's really working again, I may just leave everything as-is 
instead of shelling out big bucks for a new controller for a 27 
year-old fridge.


In your case, to test it, look at the wiring diagram and see if you 
can skip the controller and apply power directly to the compressor. 
One manual I found talked about a jumper wire.


Hope you get cool results. Good luck.

All the best,

Edd

---
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Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+
Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
City Island, New York
---
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---
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On Sep 19, 2017, at 5:42 PM, Glenn Gambel via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Edd or Tom,
How did you decide it was the controller and not the compressor?  Is 
there a way to test to determine if the current controller is 
bad?  My controller is a 102N3030 12V DC with a 15 amp fuse.   I 
believe the digital control that you found on line will work in my 
boat, but I hate to spend $295 to find out it is not the controller 
but really the compressor or something else.


Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Glenn Gambel
Wind N Spirits
C&C 36
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Re: Stus-List Water heaters

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Bill,

Keep in mind that you may not be able to drop the Isotherm hot water heater 
into the original Raritan spot underneath the quarter-berth locker. I did some 
significant modifications when I added my Isotherm (non-SPA model) as an 
upgrade.

New location 


Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:16 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I think you will be happy with the Isotherm. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy 
> POYC 
> Pegasus (for sale) 
> Lf38 
> Rebecca Leah LF39 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: William Hall via CnC-List 
> Date: 9/19/17 12:37 (GMT-08:00)
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: William Hall 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Water heaters
> 
> Hey, those look pretty good.
> Good timing - I had just ordered a replacement raritan heater - the original 
> seems to have rusted out - but looks like the order didn't go through. I 
> think I'll get one of these instead. Thanks!
> Bill Hall
> Starfire, 1985 C&C 37
> 
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> If I ever install a water heater on Touche', it will be an Isotemp SPA model.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Sep 18, 2017 11:28 AM, "Glenn Gambel via CnC-List"  > wrote:
> I am contemplating replacing my 6 gallon Raritan hot water heater with heat 
> exchanger with an Atwood/Whale 6 gallon hot water heater with heat exchanger. 
>  I could get a new Raritan for in the neighborhood of 800 dollars or a new 
> Atwood for around 300 dollars.  Wonder what other's experience in this area 
> may be???  Would appreciate any feedback.  
> 
> Glenn Gambel
> Wind N Spirits, 1981 C&C 36
> 
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Re: Stus-List Greetings

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Scott,

 

Welcome to the list.  You will find a lot of good advice and quite a few
characters on this list.  The Mk-III owners (and some former owners) are
here to support you if you have any model specific questions.

 

We take C&C's very seriously here.   Everything else..not so much.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III "Midnight Mistress"

Hampton VA



 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Baker via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 13:43
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Scott Baker 
Subject: Stus-List Greetings

 

Hi all,

I've been lurking on the list for a week or so now. My girlfriend and I
bought my parents C&C 35 Mk III this year on Lake Ontario (Sodus Bay).

We got off to a slow start this year when I found I huge crack in the rudder
(Leading edge from top to 2/3 down to bottom). I know the crack was caused
by frozen water infiltration.

Any ways, the repair I did to the rudder took quite a while and the high
water on the lake did not help either but we finally launched Aug. 25th.
We've been making up for lost time onboard

Since then as we need to be ready to haul back out by Oct. 1st.

I'm preparing a huge list of projects for the boat and I'm sure I'll be
consulting you folks soon enough for your expertise on everything.

I just wanted to come out of the shadows and say hi! I'll try to offer my
experience when I can too. 

I've been sailing about 40 years. I had a Masters captain's license for 10
years. I directed a sailing school for a few years and I've taught over 300
adults how to sail.

I've cruised extensively in the great lakes and Caribbean. And sailed some
off Maine, the Chesapeake, and around Long Beach Ca.

I race and cruise and pretty much everything in between. So, like I said -
"Hi" thanks in advance for all your help!

Regards,

Scott Baker

Fairport, NY

1987 - C&C 35 Mk III "Top Priority" (Soon to be "Surrender")

 

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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Replacement

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Allrighty then – have an alternate perspective on plastic fuel tanks.  My 
trusty Yanmar mechanic (years of experience and formerly on their advisory 
group) indicates a plastic tank may create an issue of compliance to current 
regulations on fire safety in an enclosed area with an attendant impact on a 
survey if the boat is sold.  He recommends only a new metal tank that can 
withstand a fire in the engine compartment without melting and spilling fuel.  
The plastic tanks are good for more open applications and should be used in a 
sailboat only if the tank area is separated / isolated from the engine area.  
Further, the Moeller does not have a dedicated fuel return fitting which is 
required for diesels so the only alternative is to “tee” into the vent line a 
less than ideal solution.

 

On another note, on inspection to remove the tank on a 34 appears to be a 
really tight fit around the engine and water heater.  Has any 34 owner actually 
removed their tank and care to share any tidbits of advice??

 

Thoughts from the esteemed group??

 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

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Stus-List Water Tanks - now source for Kracor Tanks

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Long story short: both of the water tanks on my 38 have cracks in the water
fill fitting. The tanks are mold number 5060, and model number 75330 (which
I presume indicates the location of the vent, fill, and drain fittings.

 

The cracks radiate out from the threaded fitting. The Kracor catalog says
the fitting is a 1 ½” straight thread, but my old tanks appear to be tapered
pipe thread. Maybe a product change over the past 40 years, but I used
Forespar elbows with straight thread when I replumbed the boat a couple of
years ago.

 

I am exploring plastic welding to repair the fittings, but I’m not real
hopeful it will work. So today I called Kracor to explore buying two new
tanks.

 

Kracor tells me they only do manufacturing of tanks for boat manufacturers,
suggested I call the manufacturer of my boat. No retail sales to
individuals. I explained that C&C was no longer in business, and asked if
they could send me to a dealer anywhere on the east coast. Was told they
have no dealer network.

 

Help!

 

There have been a number of recommendations to buy a Kracor tank over the
years. Has anyone actually bought one? And if you have, where did you
purchase the tank?

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C&C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

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