Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I have read ( I haven’t seen it personally) that if you are sailing for long 
periods in following seas (e.g. ocean crossings), you may want to have a shut 
off valve installed on the exhaust hose. Some people reported that despite the 
high point in the hose, the sea water eventually filled up the muffler and then 
made its way into the cylinders causing a water (hydro) lock. Not a fun task to 
do when you are approaching your destination.

Marek

From: Rick Brass via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 20:04
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass
Subject: Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?


And,, BTW, I don’t see the raw water line into the exhaust elbow as the most 
likely source of siphoning water into the exhaust manifold. More likely water 
from the  hose and muffler. Again, Westerbeke/Universal recommends that the 
hose between muffler and outlet have a high point at least 18” above the 
waterline (and that the high point be near the transom to prevent following 
waves from filling up the exhaust system). My high point is about 24” up (in 
the starboard lazarette) just above the muffler and then slopes down and aft to 
an exit under the break of the transom and 6” above the waterline.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



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Davin via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 3:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Patrick Davin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

For those that have one, do you know what kind you have?  Vetus makes a few - 
https://www.google.com/search?q=vetus+vented+loop
 - and there are the Forespar Marelon ones. I read some of the Vetus ones 
require running a vent line overboard or to a cockpit drain, or they leak water 
into the boat.

Also where do you have it mounted / how high?  My mechanic suggested mounting 
it as high as possible, which means running it up into the stbd lazarette. I'm 
hesistant about that because our lazarette is jam packed full while cruising 
(it's our only large storage space).
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Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Or you can shove a bung in from the outside on a string ;) Our original huge 
Onan waterlift never flooded the engine despite some extreme weather. That 
finally rusted out and the replacement WOULD flood the engine until I installed 
a higher loop. Flooding is a PITA for an A4, but it can well be fatal for a 
diesel.
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:01 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

I have read ( I haven’t seen it personally) that if you are sailing for long 
periods in following seas (e.g. ocean crossings), you may want to have a shut 
off valve installed on the exhaust hose. Some people reported that despite the 
high point in the hose, the sea water eventually filled up the muffler and then 
made its way into the cylinders causing a water (hydro) lock. Not a fun task to 
do when you are approaching your destination.

Marek

From: Rick Brass via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 20:04
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass
Subject: Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?


And,, BTW, I don’t see the raw water line into the exhaust elbow as the most 
likely source of siphoning water into the exhaust manifold. More likely water 
from the  hose and muffler. Again, Westerbeke/Universal recommends that the 
hose between muffler and outlet have a high point at least 18” above the 
waterline (and that the high point be near the transom to prevent following 
waves from filling up the exhaust system). My high point is about 24” up (in 
the starboard lazarette) just above the muffler and then slopes down and aft to 
an exit under the break of the transom and 6” above the waterline.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Patrick 
Davin via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 3:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Patrick Davin mailto:jda...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

For those that have one, do you know what kind you have?  Vetus makes a few - 
https://www.google.com/search?q=vetus+vented+loop
 - and there are the Forespar Marelon ones. I read some of the Vetus ones 
require running a vent line overboard or to a cockpit drain, or they leak water 
into the boat.

Also where do you have it mounted / how high?  My mechanic suggested mounting 
it as high as possible, which means running it up into the stbd lazarette. I'm 
hesistant about that because our lazarette is jam packed full while cruising 
(it's our only large storage space).
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Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Patrick,

Maine Sail, the guy from marinehowto.com , recommends 
“ siphon breaks from the Scot Pump Company to be among the most reliable and 
trouble free of any I have used or worked on.”

The Scott siphon break uses a stainless loop with the Westerbeke anti siphon 
valve made by MMD Powerline part # MMDW-44438.  
See: http://www.scotpump.com/#marketmarine 


http://www.betamarinenc.com/product/anti-syphon-valve/ 



On another note, while most wet exhaust vented loops are installed just before 
the exhaust mixing elbow, I have been told that a vented loop can(and should) 
be installed after the raw water pump and before the intake to the heat 
exchanger or engine.  This way, the vented loop works with ambient temperature 
sea water and not engine heated hot sea water.  



-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Jan 29, 2018, at 7:38 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 12:50:39 -0800
> From: Patrick Davin mailto:jda...@gmail.com>>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?
> Message-ID:
>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> For those that have one, do you know what kind you have?  Vetus makes a few
> - https://www.google.com/search?q=vetus+vented+loop 
>  - and there are the
> Forespar Marelon ones. I read some of the Vetus ones require running a vent
> line overboard or to a cockpit drain, or they leak water into the boat.
> 
> Also where do you have it mounted / how high?  My mechanic suggested
> mounting it as high as possible, which means running it up into the stbd
> lazarette. I'm hesistant about that because our lazarette is jam packed
> full while cruising (it's our only large storage space).

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Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

You don’t actually need a check valve either. I know people who use a manual 
valve and run an extra hose all the way out of a thru-hull fitting. They adjust 
it for enough water flow to be visible like an outboard engine.

Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dreuge via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:41 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dreuge ; Patrick Davin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

Patrick,

Maine Sail, the guy from marinehowto.com, recommends “ 
siphon breaks from the Scot Pump Company to be among the most reliable and 
trouble free of any I have used or worked on.”

The Scott siphon break uses a stainless loop with the Westerbeke anti siphon 
valve made by MMD Powerline part # MMDW-44438.
See: http://www.scotpump.com/#marketmarine

http://www.betamarinenc.com/product/anti-syphon-valve/


On another note, while most wet exhaust vented loops are installed just before 
the exhaust mixing elbow, I have been told that a vented loop can(and should) 
be installed after the raw water pump and before the intake to the heat 
exchanger or engine.  This way, the vented loop works with ambient temperature 
sea water and not engine heated hot sea water.



-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/


On Jan 29, 2018, at 7:38 PM, 
cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 12:50:39 -0800
From: Patrick Davin mailto:jda...@gmail.com>>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?
Message-ID:

mailto:cahixy6rfql-arl4u5edbtpmtyn-_0uuoosupf4dlo6tbnz6...@mail.gmail.com>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

For those that have one, do you know what kind you have?  Vetus makes a few
- https://www.google.com/search?q=vetus+vented+loop - and there are the
Forespar Marelon ones. I read some of the Vetus ones require running a vent
line overboard or to a cockpit drain, or they leak water into the boat.

Also where do you have it mounted / how high?  My mechanic suggested
mounting it as high as possible, which means running it up into the stbd
lazarette. I'm hesistant about that because our lazarette is jam packed
full while cruising (it's our only large storage space).

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Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

The bang is as good as a valve (as long as it stays there).

Personal experience says that the hydro lock (with fresh water) in a diesel is 
not fatal. Might be somewhat different with sea water. Or if you let it stay 
there for a while.

Also clearing the water from a gas engine is simple (spar plugs); in a diesel 
you pray for the glow plugs (much easier to remove than injectors).

Marek

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 10:37
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

Or you can shove a bung in from the outside on a string ;) Our original huge 
Onan waterlift never flooded the engine despite some extreme weather. That 
finally rusted out and the replacement WOULD flood the engine until I installed 
a higher loop. Flooding is a PITA for an A4, but it can well be fatal for a 
diesel.
Joe
Coquina


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Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I started a diesel generator that got water up the exhaust. Put a rod through 
the block.
An A4 just won’t start, the compression is too low to wreck the engine 
(usually). Fresh or salt does not matter.

Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

The bang is as good as a valve (as long as it stays there).

Personal experience says that the hydro lock (with fresh water) in a diesel is 
not fatal. Might be somewhat different with sea water. Or if you let it stay 
there for a while.

Also clearing the water from a gas engine is simple (spar plugs); in a diesel 
you pray for the glow plugs (much easier to remove than injectors).

Marek

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 10:37
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

Or you can shove a bung in from the outside on a string ;) Our original huge 
Onan waterlift never flooded the engine despite some extreme weather. That 
finally rusted out and the replacement WOULD flood the engine until I installed 
a higher loop. Flooding is a PITA for an A4, but it can well be fatal for a 
diesel.
Joe
Coquina


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Stus-List Soft shackles for asym

[steve dewar via CnC-List]

I’m looking at using the Antal HK12 Hook soft shackle for the sheet and guy 
blocks on my asym chute. This is on a 35 mkiii.  Has anyone used this type of 
block for that application and any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks
Steve
https://ca.binnacle.com/index.php?cPath=28_425_618


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Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Joe,

you must have had a really good starter motor. When I managed to hydro lock my 
engine, it would not turn. Period.

Marek


From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 12:01
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

I started a diesel generator that got water up the exhaust. Put a rod through 
the block.
An A4 just won’t start, the compression is too low to wreck the engine 
(usually). Fresh or salt does not matter.

Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I


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Re: Stus-List Soft shackles for asym

[Shane Vanstrom via CnC-List]

I have used that type of block for a tack line and they work great. I would 
suggest ratchet blocks for the asym sheets though. Ratchet blocks will hold 
part of the load making it a bit safer when taking the line off the winch in a 
gybe or when trimming and easing. I use harken blocks with dyneema loops on my 
29-2 and they work great.

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I’m looking at using the Antal HK12 Hook soft shackle for the sheet and guy 
blocks on my asym chute. This is on a 35 mkiii.  Has anyone used this type of 
block for that application and any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks
Steve
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Stus-List oarlocks for old style Zodiac

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

 I have a very old orange and black Zodiac that is still in good shape, but 
when I bought it there were no oarlocks. There are a couple of mounting "ears" 
made of the same fabric as the boat, but I have not been able to find oarlocks 
that match that style of mounting anywhere online. The fabric pieces are 10 by 
4.5 inches with well rounded corners. not really an oval, more like a rectangle 
with rounded ends. A longitudinal section 1.5 inches wide down the centre is 
glued to the tube, inline with the tubes, leaving an "ear" about 9 inches long 
and an inch and a quarter or so wide down each side. There are a couple of very 
small holes, but that is it for clues. I have not even been able to find an 
image of something with that sort of mount. 

Anyone know what sort of oarlock would have been mounted on these?

Steve Thomas
C&C36
Merritt Island, FL

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Re: Stus-List oarlocks for old style Zodiac

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Steve,
Defender in CT has the best selection of inflatable parts and accessories in 
the country.  If they can’t get it or something similar, you may be out of luck.
Www.defender.com
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> On Jan 30, 2018, at 2:14 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a very old orange and black Zodiac that is still in good shape, but 
> when I bought it there were no oarlocks. There are a couple of mounting 
> "ears" made of the same fabric as the boat, but I have not been able to find 
> oarlocks that match that style of mounting anywhere online. The fabric pieces 
> are 10 by 4.5 inches with well rounded corners. not really an oval, more like 
> a rectangle with rounded ends. A longitudinal section 1.5 inches wide down 
> the centre is glued to the tube, inline with the tubes, leaving an "ear" 
> about 9 inches long and an inch and a quarter or so wide down each side. 
> There are a couple of very small holes, but that is it for clues. I have not 
> even been able to find an image of something with that sort of mount. 
> 
> Anyone know what sort of oarlock would have been mounted on these?
> 
> Steve Thomas
> C&C36
> Merritt Island, FL
> 
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Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

Thanks all. Rick, that's the sort of nightmare story I'm hoping to avoid!
When you say corners were cut "on the exhaust elbow, hose routing, and the
siphon break" do you mean the prior engine had those things installed in a
poor manner, or that a siphon break wasn't installed?

I haven't heard from any Landfall 38 owners about layout (where the loop is
mounted), so if any of those folks have one I'd still be interested in
that.

I did wonder about temperature. I think the exchanger raw water output is
not as hot as the exhaust? Forespar says Marelon is okay to 170F.
Interestingly the Scot loop says 140 F max temp, which is pretty low. Maybe
because their vent parts are made out of plastic Delrin, or they're just
being conservative. In the diagram Paul sent me they show the loop in use
between the exchanger and exhaust elbow, so obviously they intend for it to
be used in that role.

I guess most people do the loop between the exchanger outlet and the
exhaust elbow because it's easier to install there than in between the
water pump and the exchanger inlet. And presuming the water is below 170F
then Marelon is okay in either location.

I agree the exhaust transom exit is probably the greater risk in most
cases. I already have an ample exhaust hose rise there though, and the
waterlock muffler should prevent siphoning afaik. It'd take a lot for
following waves to push past a 3 foot rise in a 1.5" hose and then through
an exhaust riser. I'd consider an exhaust lock (inline, in an accessible
location) if I'm worried about that. Hanging from the transom in ocean
swells to insert a plug doesn't seem viable.

-Patrick
'84 C&C LF38
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Stus-List Then the halyard fell out of the mast.

[Bev Parslow via CnC-List]

Messengers were fine for the spare jib and the main halyards. Then the one for 
the furling jib came  out without a messenger line on it. If I remember it left 
the top of the mast, through a lower ring on the mast and then to the curler. 
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Stus-List Looking for cheap digital compass

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

All,

When I did my first Annapolis Bermuda race the crew of The Office wanted a
digital compass forward of the traveler.  My cheapskate solution - my
iPhone in a RAM mount running iRegatta with a long charging cable worked
great (except for the text messages that popped up down the Bay).  It was
replaced with a used plotter from a fellow C&Cer.

I have ST60 gauges for wind, speed and depth over the companionway, but
none display heading.  They are networked to my plotter.

I don't want to spend for a TackTick or Prostart.  I know I can go to the
phone and solar charger again, but is there a better solution?  I've looked
for a waterproof digital compass, but I'm coming up empty.

-- 
Joel
301 541 8551


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Re: Stus-List Looking for cheap digital compass

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Joel — what about an ST60 graphic display?  You already have a SeaTalk 1 bus 
running, and I assume you’re getting heading data from your autopilot heading 
sensor:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Raymarine-ST60-Graphic-Display-Autohelm-Series-E22075-P/273046899430?epid=1927543594&hash=item3f92dd0ae6:g:vzsAAOSwoBlaa95b&vxp=mtr
 


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> On Jan 30, 2018, at 3:20 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> When I did my first Annapolis Bermuda race the crew of The Office wanted a 
> digital compass forward of the traveler.  My cheapskate solution - my iPhone 
> in a RAM mount running iRegatta with a long charging cable worked great 
> (except for the text messages that popped up down the Bay).  It was replaced 
> with a used plotter from a fellow C&Cer.
> 
> I have ST60 gauges for wind, speed and depth over the companionway, but none 
> display heading.  They are networked to my plotter.  
> 
> I don't want to spend for a TackTick or Prostart.  I know I can go to the 
> phone and solar charger again, but is there a better solution?  I've looked 
> for a waterproof digital compass, but I'm coming up empty.
> 
> -- 
> Joel 
> 301 541 8551

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Re: Stus-List Looking for cheap digital compass

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Cc: Joel Aronson 
Sent: Tue, Jan 30, 2018 4:21 pm
Subject: Stus-List Looking for cheap digital compass



All,


When I did my first Annapolis Bermuda race the crew of The Office wanted a 
digital compass forward of the traveler.  My cheapskate solution - my iPhone in 
a RAM mount running iRegatta with a long charging cable worked great (except 
for the text messages that popped up down the Bay).  It was replaced with a 
used plotter from a fellow C&Cer.


I have ST60 gauges for wind, speed and depth over the companionway, but none 
display heading.  They are networked to my plotter.  


I don't want to spend for a TackTick or Prostart.  I know I can go to the phone 
and solar charger again, but is there a better solution?  I've looked for a 
waterproof digital compass, but I'm coming up empty.



-- 

Joel 
301 541 8551






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Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C&C rendezvous

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

*UPDATE*

So I went to Annapolis to scout marinas, moorings, and slips for rent.  It
looks like the Annapolis City Docks are panning out as the best location.
Great central location, shops and restaurants available.  Walking distance
to nearly everything including to the US Naval Academy.  Plenty of power,
water, bathhouse, showers, uber, lift, and parking .  The biggest downside
is that because it is downtown there is a lot of foot traffic.  I checked
about security and there is not much.  Then again there isn't much crime
so  The showers are not much to write home about and there is no pool.
The majority of the space is side tie though there are some slips.  The
price is $3.25 per foot and we will probably need reservations by March
31st.  All reservations will be handled by each individual with the
harbormaster.  Once we finalize the dates and location I'll forward the
contact info to you here.

I'm looking for feedback and a verbal confirmation from all interested
boaters.  The survey results have about 30 respondents interested in coming
and about half of those by boat.  I've taken extensive efforts to carefully
select a date and location that maximizes the number of attendees.  I'd
like to get agreement on dates and location within the next week.  I'd feel
like a successful compromise has been reached if 10 people confirmed
attendance by land and 10 by boat.

Respond by answering the survey below:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/MYLWZR9

Thanks!

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Dec 10, 2017 11:35 AM, "Josh Muckley via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Ok guys (and gals),
>
> Sorry if this is a repeat.  It didn't look like my first email ever hit
> the server.
>
> The dates for the Annapolis Sailboat show have been released as well as my
> work/vacation schedule for 2018.  You might remember that I had mapped the
> distances which people were willing to drive and boat.  The resulting area
> which attracted the most people was more or less a zone on the western
> shore of the Chesapeake Bay between Annapolis and Solomons.  We could get
> as many as 29 people total and 13 by boat!
>
> The dates which I'm looking at are October 1st through the 8th (this
> encompasses the sailboat show which is the 4th through the 8th) and October
> 26th to the 1st.  If held during the later dates we can easily hold the
> rendezvous in Annapolis since dockage and mooring won't be a problem.  If
> held during the earlier dates (during the boat show) we could hold the
> rendezvous at nearby towns within a 30 minute drive of the boat show.  I'm
> personally leaning towards the later dates since Annapolis is such a great
> town to visit and has such good boating amenities; It would be nice if
> everyone had a chance to see it without the craziness of the boat show.  If
> during the boat show is the preference then I was thinking that maybe
> Herrington Harbor North or somewhere in Deal, MD would be nice.  For those
> who want to attend the boat show Deal is only a 30 minute drive.  I'm sure
> there are marinas elsewhere closer to Annapolis yet away from the crowds
> that I'm not aware of.  I'm eager to hear everyones thoughts and
> suggestions.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
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Re: Stus-List Looking for cheap digital compass

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

I use a Velocitek Speed Puck when racing.  Shows heading along with lifts and 
headers.  Can mount in a mast track or on a bulkhead using Velcro.  Simple and 
far easier to read than an iPhone display.
Chuck Gilchrest 
Half Magic

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2018, at 4:40 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Clipper Compass System w/Remote Fluxgate Sensor [CL-C]
> 
> Brand New
> $300.09
> List price:  Previous Price $329.00
> or Best Offer
> Free Shipping
> 
> CLIPPER COMPASS SYSTEM WITH REMOTE FLUXGATE SENSOR
> 
> Brand New
> $300.10
> Buy It Now
> Free Shipping
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Joel Aronson 
> Sent: Tue, Jan 30, 2018 4:21 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Looking for cheap digital compass
> 
> All,
> 
> When I did my first Annapolis Bermuda race the crew of The Office wanted a 
> digital compass forward of the traveler.  My cheapskate solution - my iPhone 
> in a RAM mount running iRegatta with a long charging cable worked great 
> (except for the text messages that popped up down the Bay).  It was replaced 
> with a used plotter from a fellow C&Cer.
> 
> I have ST60 gauges for wind, speed and depth over the companionway, but none 
> display heading.  They are networked to my plotter.  
> 
> I don't want to spend for a TackTick or Prostart.  I know I can go to the 
> phone and solar charger again, but is there a better solution?  I've looked 
> for a waterproof digital compass, but I'm coming up empty.
> 
> -- 
> Joel 
> 301 541 8551
> 
>   Virus-free. www.avg.com
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Stus-List Barient winch comparison chart

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Mauri Pro Sailing just published a nice winch compaison chart for any who
are comtemplating winch replacement/upgrade.  Here's the link:

https://www.mauriprosailing.com/us/Barient-Winches-Replacement-Chart.html?utm_source=Mauri+Pro+Sailing&utm_campaign=77cbd013ea-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_01_29&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_58af5a76a9-77cbd013ea-196722181&mc_cid=77cbd013ea&mc_eid=72dd88e69b

I have bought from them and been pleased.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Looking for cheap digital compass

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Fred

Didn’t know they made an ST60 that was that sophisticated!  If i move the
speed gauge and connect it to this display can I still get speed off the
paddle wheel on this display?

Joel

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 5:21 PM Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I use a Velocitek Speed Puck when racing.  Shows heading along with lifts
> and headers.  Can mount in a mast track or on a bulkhead using Velcro.
> Simple and far easier to read than an iPhone display.
> Chuck Gilchrest
> Half Magic
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 30, 2018, at 4:40 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Clipper Compass System w/Remote Fluxgate Sensor [CL-C]
> 
> Brand New
>
>- $300.09
>List price:  Previous Price $329.00
>- or Best Offer
>- Free Shipping
>[image: CLIPPER COMPASS SYSTEM WITH REMOTE FLUXGATE SENSOR]
>
> 
>
> CLIPPER COMPASS SYSTEM WITH REMOTE FLUXGATE SENSOR
> 
> Brand New
>
>- $300.10
>- Buy It Now
>- Free Shipping
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Joel Aronson 
> Sent: Tue, Jan 30, 2018 4:21 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Looking for cheap digital compass
>
> All,
>
> When I did my first Annapolis Bermuda race the crew of The Office wanted a
> digital compass forward of the traveler.  My cheapskate solution - my
> iPhone in a RAM mount running iRegatta with a long charging cable worked
> great (except for the text messages that popped up down the Bay).  It was
> replaced with a used plotter from a fellow C&Cer.
>
> I have ST60 gauges for wind, speed and depth over the companionway, but
> none display heading.  They are networked to my plotter.
>
> I don't want to spend for a TackTick or Prostart.  I know I can go to the
> phone and solar charger again, but is there a better solution?  I've looked
> for a waterproof digital compass, but I'm coming up empty.
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avg.com
> 
> <#m_3017344197703435549_aolmail_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
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Re: Stus-List Looking for cheap digital compass

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Do you have an autopilot? If so, you may already have heading info on the 
network.



Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List Looking for cheap digital compass

All,

When I did my first Annapolis Bermuda race the crew of The Office wanted a 
digital compass forward of the traveler.  My cheapskate solution - my iPhone in 
a RAM mount running iRegatta with a long charging cable worked great (except 
for the text messages that popped up down the Bay).  It was replaced with a 
used plotter from a fellow C&Cer.

I have ST60 gauges for wind, speed and depth over the companionway, but none 
display heading.  They are networked to my plotter.

I don't want to spend for a TackTick or Prostart.  I know I can go to the phone 
and solar charger again, but is there a better solution?  I've looked for a 
waterproof digital compass, but I'm coming up empty.

--
Joel
301 541 8551

[https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png]

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Re: Stus-List Looking for cheap digital compass

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Yes, I have one.  It’s an ng display on the network.

Rather not spend for an i70.

Joel

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 6:16 PM Della Barba, Joe 
wrote:

> Do you have an autopilot? If so, you may already have heading info on the
> network.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:21 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson 
>
>
> *Subject:* Stus-List Looking for cheap digital compass
>
>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> When I did my first Annapolis Bermuda race the crew of The Office wanted a
> digital compass forward of the traveler.  My cheapskate solution - my
> iPhone in a RAM mount running iRegatta with a long charging cable worked
> great (except for the text messages that popped up down the Bay).  It was
> replaced with a used plotter from a fellow C&Cer.
>
>
>
> I have ST60 gauges for wind, speed and depth over the companionway, but
> none display heading.  They are networked to my plotter.
>
>
>
> I don't want to spend for a TackTick or Prostart.  I know I can go to the
> phone and solar charger again, but is there a better solution?  I've looked
> for a waterproof digital compass, but I'm coming up empty.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Joel
> 301 541 8551
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Virus-free. www.avg.com
> 
>
>
>
-- 
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Re: Stus-List Barient winch comparison chart

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Good find, Dennis.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 30 January 2018 at 14:35, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Mauri Pro Sailing just published a nice winch compaison chart for any who
> are comtemplating winch replacement/upgrade.  Here's the link:
>
> https://www.mauriprosailing.com/us/Barient-Winches-
> Replacement-Chart.html?utm_source=Mauri+Pro+Sailing&utm_
> campaign=77cbd013ea-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_01_29&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_
> 58af5a76a9-77cbd013ea-196722181&mc_cid=77cbd013ea&mc_eid=72dd88e69b
>
> I have bought from them and been pleased.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
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Re: Stus-List Then the halyard fell out of the mast.

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

If you're talking about a halyard restrainer just down from the masthead
sheave box, that sounds correct.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 30 January 2018 at 13:04, Bev Parslow via CnC-List  wrote:

> Messengers were fine for the spare jib and the main halyards. Then the one
> for the furling jib came  out without a messenger line on it. If I remember
> it left the top of the mast, through a lower ring on the mast and then to
> the curler. Am I correct?
>
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Re: Stus-List Cleaning and Refinishing interior woodwork

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

The original recipe that was published here was

1 gal. warm water
2/3 cup ammonia
2 TBSP TSP

It works really well for removing old oil and dirt from the wood. You may
need more than one application, and you do need to flush it well with clean
water before refinishing.


Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Looking for cheap digital compass

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Would an i50 Tridata  work?

Joel

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 6:24 PM Joel Aronson  wrote:

> Yes, I have one.  It’s an ng display on the network.
>
> Rather not spend for an i70.
>
> Joel
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 6:16 PM Della Barba, Joe 
> wrote:
>
>> Do you have an autopilot? If so, you may already have heading info on the
>> network.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Joe Della Barba*
>>
>> Coquina
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
>> Aronson via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:21 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Joel Aronson 
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Looking for cheap digital compass
>>
>>
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>>
>> When I did my first Annapolis Bermuda race the crew of The Office wanted
>> a digital compass forward of the traveler.  My cheapskate solution - my
>> iPhone in a RAM mount running iRegatta with a long charging cable worked
>> great (except for the text messages that popped up down the Bay).  It was
>> replaced with a used plotter from a fellow C&Cer.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have ST60 gauges for wind, speed and depth over the companionway, but
>> none display heading.  They are networked to my plotter.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't want to spend for a TackTick or Prostart.  I know I can go to the
>> phone and solar charger again, but is there a better solution?  I've looked
>> for a waterproof digital compass, but I'm coming up empty.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Joel
>> 301 541 8551
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Virus-free. www.avg.com
>> 
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551
>
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Re: Stus-List oarlocks for old style Zodiac

[William Walker via CnC-List]

Inflatableparts.com

Bill Walker
CnC 36

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On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 Steve Thomas via CnC-List  
wrote:
I have a very old orange and black Zodiac that is still in good shape, but when 
I bought it there were no oarlocks. There are a couple of mounting "ears" made 
of the same fabric as the boat, but I have not been able to find oarlocks that 
match that style of mounting anywhere online. The fabric pieces are 10 by 4.5 
inches with well rounded corners. not really an oval, more like a rectangle 
with rounded ends. A longitudinal section 1.5 inches wide down the centre is 
glued to the tube, inline with the tubes, leaving an "ear" about 9 inches long 
and an inch and a quarter or so wide down each side. There are a couple of very 
small holes, but that is it for clues. I have not even been able to find an 
image of something with that sort of mount. 

Anyone know what sort of oarlock would have been mounted on these?

Steve Thomas
C&C36
Merritt Island, FL

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Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C&C 36

[Charles Nelson via CnC-List]

Difficulties in finding enough crew to fly my masthead kite (~7-8) have me 
thinking of adding a sprit with asym kite to make it possible to be competitive 
in the spin fleet with less crew (~ 4-6). I only had   6 for our last race and 
the wind was 10-15 so we decided to forego the kite and took a 1st, 2nd and 3rd 
(only 3 boats competed). This weekend I am down to only 4 so probably won't 
compete, giving up a solid 2nd with a poss 1st if my crew were not in the BVI, 
etc. My thoughts are solely to have the option to use the asym if I don't have 
enough crew to do the symm Masthead kite so I would likely keep the asym size 
such that my rating is not changed. Thoughts on this plan from the list would 
be appreciated. 
I do realize that this is a complicated issue and I may have to get some expert 
advice on sprit length, asym sail size/shape not to mention figuring out how to 
fly it but I am starting with the collective list wisdom.
Thanks,
Charlie Nelson
1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
(Rob Ball design)
Water Phantom

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Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C&C 36

[Eric Baumes via CnC-List]

Hi,

I did this a few years ago on my 34/36+ Brief write up here
http://svheesoo.com/content/bowsprint-retro-fit-project

Here is the pertinent information on sizing.

*PHRF Regulations*

The YRALIS allows for a retrofit bowsprit to be 24% of J without penalty
for Windward/Leward racing. For distance racing it asseses a -6 second
penalty.

To support an unsupported length of ~52 inches, the Selden Selden 99mm
Aluminum Bowsprit Kit - 10.4 Ft. was required. The 52 inches is comprised
of the 42 in beyond the forestay allowed by PHRF plus the forward ring was
mounted approximately 10" behind the forestay on the deck.

If you have the same Harken furler and bow roller there is just enough room.

This is something you can DIY.

The uncut sprit was just over the limit for UPS so I had them cut it to
avoid the freight charge.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Eric
1993 34/36+
Hee Soo




On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Difficulties in finding enough crew to fly my masthead kite (~7-8) have me
> thinking of adding a sprit with asym kite to make it possible to be
> competitive in the spin fleet with less crew (~ 4-6). I only had   6 for
> our last race and the wind was 10-15 so we decided to forego the kite and
> took a 1st, 2nd and 3rd (only 3 boats competed). This weekend I am down to
> only 4 so probably won't compete, giving up a solid 2nd with a poss 1st if
> my crew were not in the BVI, etc. My thoughts are solely to have the option
> to use the asym if I don't have enough crew to do the symm Masthead kite so
> I would likely keep the asym size such that my rating is not changed.
> Thoughts on this plan from the list would be appreciated.
> I do realize that this is a complicated issue and I may have to get some
> expert advice on sprit length, asym sail size/shape not to mention figuring
> out how to fly it but I am starting with the collective list wisdom.
> Thanks,
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
> (Rob Ball design)
> Water Phantom
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C&C 36

[Eric Baumes via CnC-List]

To answer some of your other questions.

I have a .75 A2 runner. It is about 25% bigger in area than the symmetrical
kite--ALIR allows SMG to be calculated of of J + sprint length.

It is generally easier to rig, hoist and fly the Asym. One change is that
instead of using a turtle to launch of the deck and re-packing between
legs, we now launch and dowse from the forward hatch. The bigger kite is
really a pain to have to repack, so when we dowse we leave everything but
the halyard rigged.

In light/moderate wind 4 crew can handle the kite. I sailed a distance race
with 3 once. I have done 4 in 15-20 and it is a lot of work.

Jibing overall is a lot easier, but if you are doing an inside jibe, then
the helmsman has to be very attentive. If you throw the helm over too
quickly then the chute will wrap around the forestay.

There are some good videos on Jibing an Asym on Youtube.

Eric

PS When my crew complains about anything (cheap beer, American cheese on
sandwiches, etc.)  I threaten them that I will go back to the Symmetrical.
They usually shape up after that.

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 7:32 PM, Eric Baumes  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I did this a few years ago on my 34/36+ Brief write up here
> http://svheesoo.com/content/bowsprint-retro-fit-project
>
> Here is the pertinent information on sizing.
>
> *PHRF Regulations*
>
> The YRALIS allows for a retrofit bowsprit to be 24% of J without penalty
> for Windward/Leward racing. For distance racing it asseses a -6 second
> penalty.
>
> To support an unsupported length of ~52 inches, the Selden Selden 99mm
> Aluminum Bowsprit Kit - 10.4 Ft. was required. The 52 inches is comprised
> of the 42 in beyond the forestay allowed by PHRF plus the forward ring was
> mounted approximately 10" behind the forestay on the deck.
>
> If you have the same Harken furler and bow roller there is just enough
> room.
>
> This is something you can DIY.
>
> The uncut sprit was just over the limit for UPS so I had them cut it to
> avoid the freight charge.
>
> Let me know if you have any questions.
>
> Eric
> 1993 34/36+
> Hee Soo
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Difficulties in finding enough crew to fly my masthead kite (~7-8) have
>> me thinking of adding a sprit with asym kite to make it possible to be
>> competitive in the spin fleet with less crew (~ 4-6). I only had   6 for
>> our last race and the wind was 10-15 so we decided to forego the kite and
>> took a 1st, 2nd and 3rd (only 3 boats competed). This weekend I am down to
>> only 4 so probably won't compete, giving up a solid 2nd with a poss 1st if
>> my crew were not in the BVI, etc. My thoughts are solely to have the option
>> to use the asym if I don't have enough crew to do the symm Masthead kite so
>> I would likely keep the asym size such that my rating is not changed.
>> Thoughts on this plan from the list would be appreciated.
>> I do realize that this is a complicated issue and I may have to get some
>> expert advice on sprit length, asym sail size/shape not to mention figuring
>> out how to fly it but I am starting with the collective list wisdom.
>> Thanks,
>> Charlie Nelson
>> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
>> (Rob Ball design)
>> Water Phantom
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List Looking for cheap digital compass

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Jeol — the Graphic is like the old Multi display, but doesn’t have fixed 
characters, and can display more graphic formats like gauges or a GPS highway 
display.  I’ll forward you the manual off-list so you can see all the datatypes 
it supports.

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Jan 30, 2018, at 4:36 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fred
> 
> Didn’t know they made an ST60 that was that sophisticated!  If i move the 
> speed gauge and connect it to this display can I still get speed off the 
> paddle wheel on this display?
> 
> Joel

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Stus-List Email change

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

Stu, Since I bought a new C&C I need to change my email from 
svpegasu...@gmail.com tosvrebeccal...@gmail.com
ThanksDoug Mountjoy. 


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