Stus-List Re: Bottom painting question

[james taylor via CnC-List]

Charlie, I'm thinking that sanding an ablative paint is a waste of effort.
Since the surface is constantly being refreshed, the smooth surface that
you create by sanding is gone in a short time frame. If you want a super
smooth bottom I would think that it would be better to use a hard,
non-ablative paint and spend a little money having a dive service scrub the
bottom on a monthly basis. For our area, I have had great success with
Trinidad. My last bottom job lasted for more than 5 years.
James Taylor
S/V Delaney
C&C 38
Oriental, NC
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Stus-List Re: C&C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

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 Original message 
From: Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
Date: 2021-01-08 11:32 p.m. (GMT-05:00)
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Robert Mazza 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

This is a very intriguing idea.  This rendezvous would best be arranged in 
conjunction with Kingston Yacht Club and Confederation Basin Marina to handle 
that number of boats. Fall of 2022 would be worth considering. Let me touch 
basis with KYC and the Marine Museum. Red Jacket will be there and the Marine 
Museum is planning to have a new exhibit focused on the transition from wood to 
fiberglass and the founding of C&C Yachts. Yes, this might work.

Rob Mazza

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 8:20 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List, 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Rather than several competing "on the water" rendezvous's, I keep thinking 
about a big? C&C rendezvous at the museum in Kingston.  Paid event with 
proceeds to the museum for the C&C document preservation.  Fall 2022, perhaps?  
Long lead time to let the museum get going?

Crazy idea?

--
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Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: C&C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Rob

Nothing sacred about fall 2022.  Was just guessing the museum might have
the exhibits ready by then.  If it pushes to spring 2023 or moves up to
spring 2022, no biggie.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 10:32 PM Robert Mazza  wrote:

> This is a very intriguing idea.  This rendezvous would best be arranged in
> conjunction with Kingston Yacht Club and Confederation Basin Marina to
> handle that number of boats. Fall of 2022 would be worth considering. Let
> me touch basis with KYC and the Marine Museum. Red Jacket will be there and
> the Marine Museum is planning to have a new exhibit focused on the
> transition from wood to fiberglass and the founding of C&C Yachts. Yes,
> this might work.
>
> Rob Mazza
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Bottom painting question

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Magic antifouling does not appear to be available for sale yet due to lack of 
EPA approval.  How did you get it?  Have you tried Magic Prop as well?  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On Jan 8, 2021, at 10:59 PM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Me too it was first time taking off ablative paint 
> It sucks but it looks nice 
> I put magic anti fouling the application was easy, two people is better to 
> get a smooth finish 
> Sv Delos and sailing zatara tryed it they say it an amazing product and 
> gained half a knot on boat speed 
> For a 30 foot cost me 800$ USA 
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 10:40 PM cenelson via CnC-List  > wrote:
> Yes—at least some do. OTOH I did that once, took about 4+ 8 hr days with a 
> sander above my head and all the protective breathing gear on.
> 
> Swore then that I would “...nevahh...”
> Attempt that again. Same feeling after my first and last water skiing 
> success—once was enough!!
> 
> 
> Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS 
> 
> 
> On Friday, January 8, 2021, 8:48 PM, Hoyt, Mike  > wrote:
> 
> does your yard allow owners to sand their own bottoms?
> 
> 
> 
> From: cenelson via CnC-List  >
> Sent: January 8, 2021 9:26 PM
> To: C&C List
> Cc: cenelson
> Subject: Stus-List Bottom painting question
>  
> My 1995 C&C 36XL/Kcb is used mainly for local club racing with occasional 
> forays to CRW. I think her PHRF of 120 is reasonable and at CRW she finished 
> in the middle of her PHRF class in spinnaker racing boat for boat with a 
> similarly rated J-30 whose rating was the same because of a penalty for an 
> oversized pole.
> 
> About 2 years ago, I had to strip the bottom to the gel coat since the bottom 
> paint build-up was excessive. Two coats of barrier coat were applied and then 
> Petite Black Widow was improperly sprayed on by my yard—they admitted they 
> were unfamiliar with how much it needed diluted to be applied (afterward), 
> when the barnacles showed up much sooner than expected, likely a result of 
> too thin a layer of this paint.
> 
> I had them repaint the bottom with Petite Vivid, with which they were 
> familiar, and they rolled it on with a short nap roller to avoid the extra 
> expense of tenting, etc. for a spray paint application of the same 
> paint—which they had done in the past.
> 
> I am contemplating going back to a smoother bottom and several local yards 
> have agreed that the solution is to rough up the current hard ablative Petite 
> Vivid, apply/roll 2 more coats of the same and then manually sand/burnish the 
> bottom by sanding these coats smooth, basically sacrificing some of the just 
> applied paint to ensure a smoother bottom.
> 
> I get it, especially since 2 independent yards proposed this, as more 
> practical/less expensive than my initial thoughts of sanding the current 
> paint down and then spraying several coats of Vivid.
> 
> This work by the yard will cost ~$4-5000.
> 
> My question for the list, especially the racers, is how do I maintain this 
> sanded bottom when I must reapply another coat or 2 of bottom paint next 
> year? Must I repeat the process (roll on 2 coats and sand smooth) for another 
> $5000? If so, I am not sure if I should proceed. A ~$2000 per year bottom 
> refresh is tolerable—a $5000 per year is NOT.
> 
> So how do the racing listers keep your boat bottom in ‘racing’ condition year 
> to year?
> 
> Must I ‘bite the bullet’ at $5000 each year or is there an alternative that 
> is less expensive and thus more reasonable? I will not do it myself—to much 
> work not to mention the hazard of the paint dust/vapors/etc.
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C&C 36XL/kcb
> Water Phantom ex
> 
> 
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> 
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> -- 
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> 
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> 
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Stus-List Re: C&C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

[Robert Mazza via CnC-List]

Thanks Dennis,

Yes, lots of elements to put together to make this the successful event it
is destined to be. The primary question is who would organize it? I can
coordinate the Marine Museum's involvement, but we will also need someone
or a group to represent the C&C community. There used to be an annual C&C
Regatta on Lake Ontario, so I suspect there will be great local response to
this event. Initial response from the Kingston Yacht Club is positive, but
a date will need to be chosen that blends with Kingston's busy
sailing schedule that includes CORK specifically. Kingston also sits
between the two popular Lake Ontaro cruising grounds of the Bay of Quinte
and the Thousand Islands, so boats attending this rendezvous will have
excellant options before and after. It would be great if people could drive
or fly to this event if they can't come by boat.

Lots to think about, but well worth doing.

Rob




On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, 8:58 AM Dennis C.,  wrote:

> Rob
>
> Nothing sacred about fall 2022.  Was just guessing the museum might have
> the exhibits ready by then.  If it pushes to spring 2023 or moves up to
> spring 2022, no biggie.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 10:32 PM Robert Mazza 
> wrote:
>
>> This is a very intriguing idea.  This rendezvous would best be arranged
>> in conjunction with Kingston Yacht Club and Confederation Basin Marina to
>> handle that number of boats. Fall of 2022 would be worth considering. Let
>> me touch basis with KYC and the Marine Museum. Red Jacket will be there and
>> the Marine Museum is planning to have a new exhibit focused on the
>> transition from wood to fiberglass and the founding of C&C Yachts. Yes,
>> this might work.
>>
>> Rob Mazza
>>
>>
>>
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Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Awesome ! The Amazing  (modern) J Class. When Racing was racing not Flying
I see Steve Jobs had a nice new of the Boats at dock!  :)

John C

On Jan 8, 2021, at 10:26 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Thank you for the video Charles. I was catching up on deferred emails tonight, 
and I’m glad I finally got to see it.

I had to watch it twice. The first time through I was paying too much attention 
to the background near the windward mark and looking for my boat. You see, Fred 
Street, Jim Schwartz, and I were watching the races from Imzadi right along the 
course boundary about 200 yards SE of the windward mark. She’s one of the MUCH 
smaller sailboats you see in the background to the left of the J’s as they set 
spinnakers in some of the shots.

The J racing was, to me at least, more memorable than the AC racing. I can 
still remember the sound of jib and spin sheets groaning from the tension on 
those god-awful big winches – and the explosion as one of the boats blew up one 
of the god-awful big spinnakers during a gybe set.


Rick Brass
Washington, NC



From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 3:38 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Rod Stright mailto:strig...@eastlink.ca>>; CHARLES 
SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afddfl0AqFY
On 12/23/2020 2:13 PM Rod Stright via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Was there an attachment or a link?

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: December-23-20 12:55 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>; 
CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

You'll probably like this video and seeing J-Class boats in action.  Note the 
number of crew and the amount of lines flaked out on deck.  J-5 is Ranger

C
On 12/23/2020 10:56 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


IMHO the J-Class were the best, the 12 Meters the second best, and then it all 
went downhill after that.
Oddly enough, last I checked the 12 Meter class was surprisingly active, not 
being AC boats didn’t seem to harm the class overall.

Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List Re: Bottom painting question

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Recently saw an ad for a new Petit paint “Odyssey Triton”.  Contains, copper, 
econea and zinc.  Ablative multi year.  Pricey but supposedly the best thing 
since sliced bread.

No personal experience

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

 

 

 

From: David Knecht via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:32 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: Stus-List Re: Bottom painting question

 

Magic antifouling does not appear to be available for sale yet due to lack of 
EPA approval.  How did you get it?  Have you tried Magic Prop as well?  Dave

 

S/V Aries

1990 C&C 34+

New London, CT








On Jan 8, 2021, at 10:59 PM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 

 

Me too it was first time taking off ablative paint 

It sucks but it looks nice 

I put magic anti fouling the application was easy, two people is better to get 
a smooth finish 

Sv Delos and sailing zatara tryed it they say it an amazing product and gained 
half a knot on boat speed 

For a 30 foot cost me 800$ USA 

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 10:40 PM cenelson via CnC-List  
wrote:

Yes—at least some do. OTOH I did that once, took about 4+ 8 hr days with a 
sander above my head and all the protective breathing gear on.

 

Swore then that I would “...nevahh...”

Attempt that again. Same feeling after my first and last water skiing 
success—once was enough!!


Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS 
 

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 8:48 PM, Hoyt, Mike  wrote:

does your yard allow owners to sand their own bottoms?

 


  _  


From: cenelson via CnC-List 
Sent: January 8, 2021 9:26 PM
To: C&C List
Cc: cenelson
Subject: Stus-List Bottom painting question 

 

My 1995 C&C 36XL/Kcb is used mainly for local club racing with occasional 
forays to CRW. I think her PHRF of 120 is reasonable and at CRW she finished in 
the middle of her PHRF class in spinnaker racing boat for boat with a similarly 
rated J-30 whose rating was the same because of a penalty for an oversized 
pole. 

 

About 2 years ago, I had to strip the bottom to the gel coat since the bottom 
paint build-up was excessive. Two coats of barrier coat were applied and then 
Petite Black Widow was improperly sprayed on by my yard—they admitted they were 
unfamiliar with how much it needed diluted to be applied (afterward), when the 
barnacles showed up much sooner than expected, likely a result of too thin a 
layer of this paint.

 

I had them repaint the bottom with Petite Vivid, with which they were familiar, 
and they rolled it on with a short nap roller to avoid the extra expense of 
tenting, etc. for a spray paint application of the same paint—which they had 
done in the past.

 

I am contemplating going back to a smoother bottom and several local yards have 
agreed that the solution is to rough up the current hard ablative Petite Vivid, 
apply/roll 2 more coats of the same and then manually sand/burnish the bottom 
by sanding these coats smooth, basically sacrificing some of the just applied 
paint to ensure a smoother bottom.

 

I get it, especially since 2 independent yards proposed this, as more 
practical/less expensive than my initial thoughts of sanding the current paint 
down and then spraying several coats of Vivid.

 

This work by the yard will cost ~$4-5000.

 

My question for the list, especially the racers, is how do I maintain this 
sanded bottom when I must reapply another coat or 2 of bottom paint next year? 
Must I repeat the process (roll on 2 coats and sand smooth) for another $5000? 
If so, I am not sure if I should proceed. A ~$2000 per year bottom refresh is 
tolerable—a $5000 per year is NOT.

 

So how do the racing listers keep your boat bottom in ‘racing’ condition year 
to year?

 

Must I ‘bite the bullet’ at $5000 each year or is there an alternative that is 
less expensive and thus more reasonable? I will not do it myself—to much work 
not to mention the hazard of the paint dust/vapors/etc.

 

Charlie Nelson

1995 C&C 36XL/kcb

Water Phantom ex



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Stus-List Re: Bottom painting question

[Andrew Adair via CnC-List]

Hi Charlie:

When I purchased my boat in 2008, I had the yard strip the bottom and apply a 
hard bottom paint.  The second year I applied Petit Vivid and pretty much 
followed the process you described.  This is the method the Petit 
representative recommended:  First, I cleaned the bottom and wiped down using 
many clean cloths and lacquer thinner.  Then, I rolled three thin coats 
(thinned to 10%), using a foam West roller, and had my wife tip with a brush as 
I went along.  (Vivid dries quickly).  After that, we burnished using McGuire’s 
diamond cut on a clean wool pad.  This process made a really nice bottom, but I 
don’t do it anymore.  I still use Vivid and I roll and tip, because I found it 
works well in the brackish water of the Upper Chesapeake.  However, now I do 
not burnish nor do I apply three coats.  I apply between one and two coats as 
needed.  (I use a different color Vivid from the original bottom paint, so I 
can see when it is getting thin).   I do race PHRF and beer can, and find this 
bottom is decent.  (Tipping the paint after rolling is the key).  However, it 
is not quite as smooth as my friends who use a hard paint like VC17 and burnish.

The truth is that Vivid is a “hard” ablative, but it is still an ablative.  As 
a result, it is not as hard as the epoxy paints.  I think James is absolutely 
correct that the benefits of sanding go away in a short amount of time.  
However, I find Vivid is effective, and it’s pretty easy for a decent bottom.  
(It is within my limited ability and time constraints).  I don’t hire a diver, 
but I do go down with a mask and snorkel and wipe down the bottom before bigger 
races.  The Vivid wipes clean easily.  I win or place in a fair share of local 
races, so it is good enough for my needs.  Personally, if I were going to pay 
someone $4,000 to $5,000 for my bottom each year, I would use a hard paint and 
burnish rather than Vivid.

For what it is worth, the Vivid works well in my area.  However, the original 
hard paint the yard used as the tie coat is just starting to fail in a few 
areas.

Drew Adair
C&C 32  - Aurora
North East, MD

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Stus-List George Hazen

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

George Hazen was a naval architect who worked at C&C, but was also well 
known for his naval architecture software.  In the video at the end he 
discusses his C&C experience, quite interesting.


https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2021/01/08/eight-bells-george-hazen/

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

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Stus-List Re: C&C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Agree on the idea but  wait for a while.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 8, 2021, at 10:36 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
wrote:


I think it’s a great idea, Dennis. By the summer of 2022 I will have quit 
working and be ready for an extended cruise.  NC to Toronto, and then join the 
southern migration after the rendezvous. Maybe get a couple of C&C owners to 
crew with me for some of the trip segments?

Rick Brass
Washington, NC


On Jan 8, 2021, at 8:20 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Rather than several competing "on the water" rendezvous's, I keep thinking 
about a big? C&C rendezvous at the museum in Kingston.  Paid event with 
proceeds to the museum for the C&C document preservation.  Fall 2022, perhaps?  
Long lead time to let the museum get going?

Crazy idea?

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: C&C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

[Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List]

Love the idea. If done before end of Septembre, could also be a "On the water" 
rendez-vous for a lot of C&C in Kingston region, me being one of them.

Pierre Tremblay

Avalanche #54988

C&C38-3 WK, hull #76
 

Le samedi 9 janvier 2021 10 h 40 min 07 s HNE, Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
 a écrit :  
 
 Thanks Dennis,
Yes, lots of elements to put together to make this the successful event it is 
destined to be. The primary question is who would organize it? I can coordinate 
the Marine Museum's involvement, but we will also need someone or a group to 
represent the C&C community. There used to be an annual C&C Regatta on Lake 
Ontario, so I suspect there will be great local response to this event. Initial 
response from the Kingston Yacht Club is positive, but a date will need to be 
chosen that blends with Kingston's busy sailing schedule that includes CORK 
specifically. Kingston also sits between the two popular Lake Ontaro cruising 
grounds of the Bay of Quinte and the Thousand Islands, so boats attending this 
rendezvous will have excellant options before and after. It would be great if 
people could drive or fly to this event if they can't come by boat.
Lots to think about, but well worth doing.
Rob



On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, 8:58 AM Dennis C.,  wrote:

Rob
Nothing sacred about fall 2022.  Was just guessing the museum might have the 
exhibits ready by then.  If it pushes to spring 2023 or moves up to spring 
2022, no biggie.
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA
On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 10:32 PM Robert Mazza  wrote:

This is a very intriguing idea.  This rendezvous would best be arranged in 
conjunction with Kingston Yacht Club and Confederation Basin Marina to handle 
that number of boats. Fall of 2022 would be worth considering. Let me touch 
basis with KYC and the Marine Museum. Red Jacket will be there and the Marine 
Museum is planning to have a new exhibit focused on the transition from wood to 
fiberglass and the founding of C&C Yachts. Yes, this might work.
Rob Mazza



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Stus-List Re: C&C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

This sounds really fun if they let USAians in by that point. I doubt we would 
have time to sail there, but we can drive there in one long day.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Bottom painting question

[John McCrea via CnC-List]

Yes, but has to be dustless. They have some real high end screen sanders that 
we can rent. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 10:40 PM, cenelson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
>  Yes—at least some do. OTOH I did that once, took about 4+ 8 hr days with a 
> sander above my head and all the protective breathing gear on.
> 
> Swore then that I would “...nevahh...”
> Attempt that again. Same feeling after my first and last water skiing 
> success—once was enough!!
> 
> 
> Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS
> 
> On Friday, January 8, 2021, 8:48 PM, Hoyt, Mike  
> wrote:
> 
> does your yard allow owners to sand their own bottoms?
> 
> 
> 
> From: cenelson via CnC-List 
> Sent: January 8, 2021 9:26 PM
> To: C&C List
> Cc: cenelson
> Subject: Stus-List Bottom painting question
>  
> My 1995 C&C 36XL/Kcb is used mainly for local club racing with occasional 
> forays to CRW. I think her PHRF of 120 is reasonable and at CRW she finished 
> in the middle of her PHRF class in spinnaker racing boat for boat with a 
> similarly rated J-30 whose rating was the same because of a penalty for an 
> oversized pole.
> 
> About 2 years ago, I had to strip the bottom to the gel coat since the bottom 
> paint build-up was excessive. Two coats of barrier coat were applied and then 
> Petite Black Widow was improperly sprayed on by my yard—they admitted they 
> were unfamiliar with how much it needed diluted to be applied (afterward), 
> when the barnacles showed up much sooner than expected, likely a result of 
> too thin a layer of this paint.
> 
> I had them repaint the bottom with Petite Vivid, with which they were 
> familiar, and they rolled it on with a short nap roller to avoid the extra 
> expense of tenting, etc. for a spray paint application of the same 
> paint—which they had done in the past.
> 
> I am contemplating going back to a smoother bottom and several local yards 
> have agreed that the solution is to rough up the current hard ablative Petite 
> Vivid, apply/roll 2 more coats of the same and then manually sand/burnish the 
> bottom by sanding these coats smooth, basically sacrificing some of the just 
> applied paint to ensure a smoother bottom.
> 
> I get it, especially since 2 independent yards proposed this, as more 
> practical/less expensive than my initial thoughts of sanding the current 
> paint down and then spraying several coats of Vivid.
> 
> This work by the yard will cost ~$4-5000.
> 
> My question for the list, especially the racers, is how do I maintain this 
> sanded bottom when I must reapply another coat or 2 of bottom paint next 
> year? Must I repeat the process (roll on 2 coats and sand smooth) for another 
> $5000? If so, I am not sure if I should proceed. A ~$2000 per year bottom 
> refresh is tolerable—a $5000 per year is NOT.
> 
> So how do the racing listers keep your boat bottom in ‘racing’ condition year 
> to year?
> 
> Must I ‘bite the bullet’ at $5000 each year or is there an alternative that 
> is less expensive and thus more reasonable? I will not do it myself—to much 
> work not to mention the hazard of the paint dust/vapors/etc.
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C&C 36XL/kcb
> Water Phantom ex
> 
> 
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Stus-List Re: George Hazen

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Very interesting article and video, thanks.

Bill Coleman

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cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> George Hazen was a naval architect who worked at C&C, but was also well
> known for his naval architecture software.  In the video at the end he
> discusses his C&C experience, quite interesting.
>
> https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2021/01/08/eight-bells-george-hazen/
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
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Stus-List C&C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

[Stu via CnC-List]

Gladys and I will be vacationing this summer in Kingston and will be staying at 
a campground about 10 mins from town.  If anyone else would be coming with an 
RV (trailer, tent, motor home) let me know.  I’ll check with the campground to 
see if we can get a group discount.

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Stus-List Re: Bottom painting question

[Edward Levert via CnC-List]

Within the hour my C&C 34 was hauled after 2 years since the last. Heavy
slime only on Petit Trinidad. Brackish water. Petit wants the boatyard
owner to use its "new" paints but the owner doesn't want to apply paints
that do not have at least 2 years experience in use.

Ed Levert
C&C 34 Briar Patch, #336
New Orleanss, La

> *Subject:* Stus-List Bottom painting question
>
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Stus-List Re: C&C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

-Original Message-
From: Stu via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Stu 
Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2021 11:56 AM
Subject: Stus-List C&C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

I would love to know about campground.  Gayle and I would come from Michagan 
across, assuming late September or October.Bill Walker C&C 36Pentwater, Mi.
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Stus-List Bottom painting redux

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Thanks to all who replied with their experiences with bottom painting--much 
food for thought!
Some info not previously supplied:
Yes, Petit Vivd is a hard ablative (although some articles classify it as 
hard--see Practical Sailor for instance)--in fact I went to it from VC-17 
primarily because the VC-17 did a poor job locally (IMHO) on keeping the 
barnacles at bay--or at least that was my impression. 
Thus I changed to Petit Vivid as several others in the Neuse River/Pamlico 
Sound of NC claimed that it was a good paint for the local brackish waters.
I did have it sprayed on, not rolled, for many years until the paint build up 
was such that the hull needed taken down to the gel coat and then properly 
barrier coated about 3 summers ago. Although an ablative, large sections of the 
hull were flaking the layers of paint such that it was clear that ablative or 
not, an entirely new bottom was needed. After about 20 years of being in the 
water in NC, it also seemed about time to bite this bullet.
Having seen info about Petite Black Widow, I decided to have that applied via 
spraying.  Between the yard's unfamiliarity with that paint and the local 
waters, the paint job was uneven and the barnacles were heavy in places within 
6-8 months of the paint job per my diver such that it was clear that the 
application/paint had failed. The guy who has done much work on my boat and who 
I believe to be truthful admitted to me that he was certain that he never got 
the Black Widow properly diluted for the spray application or didn't spray 
enough coats and, seeing the result, was convinced even more that he never got 
enough layers of paint on the hull. Since it was new to the entire yard, mine 
was the first application of it--not a good place to be!
After this expensive FAIL, I decided to go with a rolled application of Petite 
Vivid (it had been sprayed on previously) in order to save some yard 
labor/fees. They used a short nap roller but I don't think it was tipped.
Absent Covid, Water Phantom was due for new paint last summer but since there 
was no racing I decided not to have it done. Now the barnacle build-up per my 
diver is such that I need to repaint.  (BTW, since I club race, my boat bottom 
is scrubbed via a diver before every race and no less than monthly whether I am 
racing or not).
The comments about the ablative characteristic of Petite Vivid raise some 
interesting questions however, especially about repainting it:
   After it is applied/rolled on and then sanded smooth, I assume that it would 
stay pretty smooth as it ablates, especially as it ablates and is wiped down by 
a diver regularly. Mostly true?
   If so, the next application would just need rolled/tipped and sanded to 
remove the roller impressions from this reapplication.  Mostly true?
    Regarding going to a hard paint, say Baltoplate as Dennis uses, I would 
need to completely remove the current paint (Vivid) and then apply the paint, 
either by spray or roll and tip if I understand the process. If so, this is 
likely outside my budget. Continuing with the Vivid would allow an application 
on top of it--not so with adding a hard to an ablative.

    Going to Trinidad might also be an option but its a hard paint so it would 
also be outside my budget, as with Baltoplate.

Thanks again for everyone's input.
Charlie Nelson1995 C&C 36 XL/kcbWater Phantom 
 
        


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Stus-List Re: George Hazen

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Thanks Neil,
Enjoyed reading the article and watching that video.  

Reminded me of meeting so many very special people during the last eighteen 
years while owning our boat.

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena, Md



> On 01/09/2021 11:20 AM Neil Gallagher via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> George Hazen was a naval architect who worked at C&C, but was also well 
> known for his naval architecture software.  In the video at the end he 
> discusses his C&C experience, quite interesting.
> 
> https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2021/01/08/eight-bells-george-hazen/
> 
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
> 
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Stus-List Re: George Hazen

[Robert Mazza via CnC-List]

Thanks for sharing this Neil.

A very sad loss.

The video interview of George was recorded during the C&C Yachts Reunion
and Conference held at the Royal Hamilton Yacht Club back in 2012 . I had
the honour of organizing this event on behalf of the Marine Museum of the
Great Lakes at Kingston. See more interviews at (
https://boatingindustry.ca/112-archive-stories/4009-c-and-c-yachts-reunion-and-conference-videos-online-now
).

This may well be a possible format for any C&C Rendezvous we organize for
Kingston in the next couple of years, as has been discussed on another
thread. It would be good to get all the old C&C Design Group, as well as
the builders and dealers, together again, while we are still able to
attend! The Conference on the day after the Reunion consisted of panel
discussions with the designers, builders, and marketing people. Since then
we have lost Big George, and now George Hazen.

Rob



On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 11:21 AM Neil Gallagher via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> George Hazen was a naval architect who worked at C&C, but was also well
> known for his naval architecture software.  In the video at the end he
> discusses his C&C experience, quite interesting.
>
> https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2021/01/08/eight-bells-george-hazen/
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
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Stus-List Youtube.com on your smart TV

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hi all,

I'm usually the last to realize the obvious, but I thought I'd pass along a 
recent discovery. 

I always watched YouTube on my laptop or cellphone until I discovered I could 
get it on my SmartTV and now J Class boats are three feet tall and I feel like 
I am on deck an IMOCA 60 watching the Vendee Globe vlog.  The drone camera 
shots are amazing too.

You have to change the "source" on your SmartTV to "YouTube" and search for the 
topic you want.   Then search for the title on your TV and once you watch a 
certain genre, the TV will suggest other videos that you will probably also 
like.

YouTube has hour long documentaries on J-Class yachts and many sailing Vlogs 
that may interest you. 

Chuck S


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Stus-List Re: Youtube.com on your smart TV

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

What I do to avoid the cumbersomeness of the television interface, is to
bring Youtube up on my smartphone, get the video I want and play it, then
tap on the icon at the top that looks like a square with a couple of little
quarter circles in the lower left corner. This will cast the YouTube right
to your tv, if it is a smart TV. I think you can still control it from your
phone then, or from the TV.

Bill Coleman

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, 3:02 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm usually the last to realize the obvious, but I thought I'd pass along
> a recent discovery.
>
> I always watched YouTube on my laptop or cellphone until I discovered I
> could get it on my SmartTV and now J Class boats are three feet tall and I
> feel like I am on deck an IMOCA 60 watching the Vendee Globe vlog.  The
> drone camera shots are amazing too.
>
> You have to change the "source" on your SmartTV to "YouTube" and search
> for the topic you want.   Then search for the title on your TV and once
> you watch a certain genre, the TV will suggest other videos that you will
> probably also like.
>
> YouTube has hour long documentaries on J-Class yachts and many sailing
> Vlogs that may interest you.
>
> Chuck S
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Youtube.com on your smart TV

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Generally, you can "cast" YouTube to a SmartTV, ChromeCast, FireTV or 
FireStick. You can do it from your phone or from your PC (this even includes 
the Apple variety).

Depending on the source, the "cast" option is either in a many or, as Bill 
said, a rectangular box with quarter circles. When you select that option the 
options to "where" you can cast should open.

Marek

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List
Sent: 9 January, 2021 16:13
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Youtube.com on your smart TV

What I do to avoid the cumbersomeness of the television interface, is to bring 
Youtube up on my smartphone, get the video I want and play it, then tap on the 
icon at the top that looks like a square with a couple of little quarter 
circles in the lower left corner. This will cast the YouTube right to your tv, 
if it is a smart TV. I think you can still control it from your phone then, or 
from the TV.
Bill Coleman
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Stus-List Re: C&C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

[Ted or Relinda Broom via CnC-List]

Our thoughts also. Maybe RV it.   Ted

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Stus-List Re: C&C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

[Ted or Relinda Broom via CnC-List]

Stu,Could you please forward info on that park to us for future use. Like maybe 
the rendezvou.. Ted. 

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Stus-List Re: Bottom painting redux

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

My experience with Vivid has been different and I don’t know why.  I had the 
bottom stripped a few years ago, barrier coated and then rolled with 3/8” using 
Vivid white.  I found it so difficult to burnish using the procedure they gave, 
I decided not to do the whole hull that way.  It is relatively smooth, but 
nothing like the Black Widow hulls I have seen.  My problem is that while it 
seems like a hard paint when out of the water, it is extremely soft in the 
water.  The only thing I can clean it with and not strip all the paint off is a 
soft microfiber mitt or cloth.  When I complained to Pettit about the clouds of 
white when I used a slightly more vigorous brush, they said I should use a 
microfiber cloth, so they seem to know it is soft even thought they advertise 
it as hard.  Even with a soft microfiber cloth, there is a cloud of white in 
the water just from wiping it down. I have read of others on various sites that 
have had the same experience (but not everyone).   I have bare spots every Fall 
and need to repaint large areas each spring.  On the other hand, it has done a 
good job at preventing growth (except slime which I have not seen anything 
prevent) and I love the white because I can so easily see what is growing.  I 
plan to change paints when I run out of the Vivid I bought last year, but not 
sure what I will use.  Waiting to here more about the Magic stuff.  Dave
  
S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to all who replied with their experiences with bottom painting--much 
> food for thought!
> 
> Some info not previously supplied:
> 
> Yes, Petit Vivd is a hard ablative (although some articles classify it as 
> hard--see Practical Sailor for instance)--in fact I went to it from VC-17 
> primarily because the VC-17 did a poor job locally (IMHO) on keeping the 
> barnacles at bay--or at least that was my impression. 
> 
> Thus I changed to Petit Vivid as several others in the Neuse River/Pamlico 
> Sound of NC claimed that it was a good paint for the local brackish waters.
> 
> I did have it sprayed on, not rolled, for many years until the paint build up 
> was such that the hull needed taken down to the gel coat and then properly 
> barrier coated about 3 summers ago. Although an ablative, large sections of 
> the hull were flaking the layers of paint such that it was clear that 
> ablative or not, an entirely new bottom was needed. After about 20 years of 
> being in the water in NC, it also seemed about time to bite this bullet.
> 
> Having seen info about Petite Black Widow, I decided to have that applied via 
> spraying.  Between the yard's unfamiliarity with that paint and the local 
> waters, the paint job was uneven and the barnacles were heavy in places 
> within 6-8 months of the paint job per my diver such that it was clear that 
> the application/paint had failed. The guy who has done much work on my boat 
> and who I believe to be truthful admitted to me that he was certain that he 
> never got the Black Widow properly diluted for the spray application or 
> didn't spray enough coats and, seeing the result, was convinced even more 
> that he never got enough layers of paint on the hull. Since it was new to the 
> entire yard, mine was the first application of it--not a good place to be!
> 
> After this expensive FAIL, I decided to go with a rolled application of 
> Petite Vivid (it had been sprayed on previously) in order to save some yard 
> labor/fees. They used a short nap roller but I don't think it was tipped.
> 
> Absent Covid, Water Phantom was due for new paint last summer but since there 
> was no racing I decided not to have it done. Now the barnacle build-up per my 
> diver is such that I need to repaint.  (BTW, since I club race, my boat 
> bottom is scrubbed via a diver before every race and no less than monthly 
> whether I am racing or not).
> 
> The comments about the ablative characteristic of Petite Vivid raise some 
> interesting questions however, especially about repainting it:
> 
>After it is applied/rolled on and then sanded smooth, I assume that it 
> would stay pretty smooth as it ablates, especially as it ablates and is wiped 
> down by a diver regularly. Mostly true?
> 
>If so, the next application would just need rolled/tipped and sanded to 
> remove the roller impressions from this reapplication.  Mostly true?
> 
> Regarding going to a hard paint, say Baltoplate as Dennis uses, I would 
> need to completely remove the current paint (Vivid) and then apply the paint, 
> either by spray or roll and tip if I understand the process. If so, this is 
> likely outside my budget. Continuing with the Vivid would allow an 
> application on top of it--not so with adding a hard to an ablative.
> 
> Going to Trinidad might also be an option but its a hard paint so it 
> would also be outside my budget, as with Baltoplate.
> 
> Thanks again for everyone's 

Stus-List Re: Bottom painting question

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Ed,

I switched to Sea Hawk CuKote.  My painter recommended it.  But remember,
he's in Pensacola (salt water) and Touche' is now back in Mandeville
(brackish for the list).

  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 11:58 AM Edward Levert via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Within the hour my C&C 34 was hauled after 2 years since the last. Heavy
> slime only on Petit Trinidad. Brackish water. Petit wants the boatyard
> owner to use its "new" paints but the owner doesn't want to apply paints
> that do not have at least 2 years experience in use.
>
> Ed Levert
> C&C 34 Briar Patch, #336
> New Orleanss, La
>
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Stus-List Re: Bottom painting question

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Hi David knecht
I went on messenger look up magic antifoul
His cell 843 696-6404
He gave me magic prop to try I haven’t put it on yet
Sv Delos tried it it seem it came off pretty quick
For the other I used a wood scraper to take off the ablative paint
 Much faster than sanding, just be careful not to make holes
And finish with 80 grit with round sander
And Fiberglass wash

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 11:16 AM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Recently saw an ad for a new Petit paint “Odyssey Triton”.  Contains,
> copper, econea and zinc.  Ablative multi year.  Pricey but supposedly the
> best thing since sliced bread.
>
> No personal experience
>
>
>
> John and Maryann
>
> Legacy III
>
> 1982 C&C 34
>
> Noank, CT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* David Knecht via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:32 AM
> *To:* CnC CnC discussion list
> *Cc:* David Knecht
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Bottom painting question
>
>
>
> Magic antifouling does not appear to be available for sale yet due to lack
> of EPA approval.  How did you get it?  Have you tried Magic Prop as well?
> Dave
>
>
>
> S/V Aries
>
> 1990 C&C 34+
>
> New London, CT
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2021, at 10:59 PM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Me too it was first time taking off ablative paint
>
> It sucks but it looks nice
>
> I put magic anti fouling the application was easy, two people is better to
> get a smooth finish
>
> Sv Delos and sailing zatara tryed it they say it an amazing product and
> gained half a knot on boat speed
>
> For a 30 foot cost me 800$ USA
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 10:40 PM cenelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Yes—at least some do. OTOH I did that once, took about 4+ 8 hr days with a
> sander above my head and all the protective breathing gear on.
>
>
>
> Swore then that I would “...nevahh...”
>
> Attempt that again. Same feeling after my first and last water skiing
> success—once was enough!!
>
>
> Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS
> 
>
> On Friday, January 8, 2021, 8:48 PM, Hoyt, Mike 
> wrote:
>
> does your yard allow owners to sand their own bottoms?
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* cenelson via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* January 8, 2021 9:26 PM
> *To:* C&C List
> *Cc:* cenelson
> *Subject:* Stus-List Bottom painting question
>
>
>
> My 1995 C&C 36XL/Kcb is used mainly for local club racing with occasional
> forays to CRW. I think her PHRF of 120 is reasonable and at CRW she
> finished in the middle of her PHRF class in spinnaker racing boat for boat
> with a similarly rated J-30 whose rating was the same because of a penalty
> for an oversized pole.
>
>
>
> About 2 years ago, I had to strip the bottom to the gel coat since the
> bottom paint build-up was excessive. Two coats of barrier coat were applied
> and then Petite Black Widow was improperly sprayed on by my yard—they
> admitted they were unfamiliar with how much it needed diluted to be applied
> (afterward), when the barnacles showed up much sooner than expected, likely
> a result of too thin a layer of this paint.
>
>
>
> I had them repaint the bottom with Petite Vivid, with which they were
> familiar, and they rolled it on with a short nap roller to avoid the extra
> expense of tenting, etc. for a spray paint application of the same
> paint—which they had done in the past.
>
>
>
> I am contemplating going back to a smoother bottom and several local yards
> have agreed that the solution is to rough up the current hard ablative
> Petite Vivid, apply/roll 2 more coats of the same and then manually
> sand/burnish the bottom by sanding these coats smooth, basically
> sacrificing some of the just applied paint to ensure a smoother bottom.
>
>
>
> I get it, especially since 2 independent yards proposed this, as more
> practical/less expensive than my initial thoughts of sanding the current
> paint down and then spraying several coats of Vivid.
>
>
>
> This work by the yard will cost ~$4-5000.
>
>
>
> My question for the list, especially the racers, is how do I maintain this
> sanded bottom when I must reapply another coat or 2 of bottom paint next
> year? Must I repeat the process (roll on 2 coats and sand smooth) for
> another $5000? If so, I am not sure if I should proceed. A ~$2000 per year
> bottom refresh is tolerable—a $5000 per year is NOT.
>
>
>
> So how do the racing listers keep your boat bottom in ‘racing’ condition
> year to year?
>
>
>
> Must I ‘bite the bullet’ at $5000 each year or is there an alternative
> that is less expensive and thus more reasonable? I will not do it myself—to
> much work not to mention the hazard of the paint dust/vapors/etc.
>
>
>
> Charlie Nelson
>
> 1995 C&C 36XL/kcb
>
> Water Phantom ex
>
>
>
> Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS
> 
>
> Thanks to 

Stus-List Re: Bottom painting redux

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Another thing David ask directly sailings zatara on Instagram sv Delos on
messenger about the magic stuff

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 5:15 PM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My experience with Vivid has been different and I don’t know why.  I had
> the bottom stripped a few years ago, barrier coated and then rolled with
> 3/8” using Vivid white.  I found it so difficult to burnish using the
> procedure they gave, I decided not to do the whole hull that way.  It is
> relatively smooth, but nothing like the Black Widow hulls I have seen.  My
> problem is that while it seems like a hard paint when out of the water, it
> is extremely soft in the water.  The only thing I can clean it with and not
> strip all the paint off is a soft microfiber mitt or cloth.  When I
> complained to Pettit about the clouds of white when I used a slightly more
> vigorous brush, they said I should use a microfiber cloth, so they seem to
> know it is soft even thought they advertise it as hard.  Even with a soft
> microfiber cloth, there is a cloud of white in the water just from wiping
> it down. I have read of others on various sites that have had the same
> experience (but not everyone).   I have bare spots every Fall and need to
> repaint large areas each spring.  On the other hand, it has done a good job
> at preventing growth (except slime which I have not seen anything prevent)
> and I love the white because I can so easily see what is growing.  I plan
> to change paints when I run out of the Vivid I bought last year, but not
> sure what I will use.  Waiting to here more about the Magic stuff.  Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks to all who replied with their experiences with bottom
> painting--much food for thought!
>
> Some info not previously supplied:
>
> Yes, Petit Vivd is a hard ablative (although some articles classify it as
> hard--see Practical Sailor for instance)--in fact I went to it from VC-17
> primarily because the VC-17 did a poor job locally (IMHO) on keeping the
> barnacles at bay--or at least that was my impression.
>
> Thus I changed to Petit Vivid as several others in the Neuse River/Pamlico
> Sound of NC claimed that it was a good paint for the local brackish waters.
>
> I did have it sprayed on, not rolled, for many years until the paint build
> up was such that the hull needed taken down to the gel coat and then
> properly barrier coated about 3 summers ago. Although an ablative, large
> sections of the hull were flaking the layers of paint such that it was
> clear that ablative or not, an entirely new bottom was needed. After about
> 20 years of being in the water in NC, it also seemed about time to bite
> this bullet.
>
> Having seen info about Petite Black Widow, I decided to have that applied
> via spraying.  Between the yard's unfamiliarity with that paint and the
> local waters, the paint job was uneven and the barnacles were heavy in
> places within 6-8 months of the paint job per my diver such that it was
> clear that the application/paint had failed. The guy who has done much work
> on my boat and who I believe to be truthful admitted to me that he was
> certain that he never got the Black Widow properly diluted for the spray
> application or didn't spray enough coats and, seeing the result, was
> convinced even more that he never got enough layers of paint on the hull.
> Since it was new to the entire yard, mine was the first application of
> it--not a good place to be!
>
> After this expensive FAIL, I decided to go with a rolled application of
> Petite Vivid (it had been sprayed on previously) in order to save some yard
> labor/fees. They used a short nap roller but I don't think it was tipped.
>
> Absent Covid, Water Phantom was due for new paint last summer but since
> there was no racing I decided not to have it done. Now the barnacle
> build-up per my diver is such that I need to repaint.  (BTW, since I club
> race, my boat bottom is scrubbed via a diver before every race and no less
> than monthly whether I am racing or not).
>
> The comments about the ablative characteristic of Petite Vivid raise some
> interesting questions however, especially about repainting it:
>
>After it is applied/rolled on and then sanded smooth, I assume that it
> would stay pretty smooth as it ablates, especially as it ablates and is
> wiped down by a diver regularly. Mostly true?
>
>If so, the next application would just need rolled/tipped and sanded to
> remove the roller impressions from this reapplication.  Mostly true?
>
> Regarding going to a hard paint, say Baltoplate as Dennis uses, I
> would need to completely remove the current paint (Vivid) and then apply
> the paint, either by spray or roll and tip if I understand the process. If
> so, this is likely outside my budget. Continuing with the Vivid would allow
> an application on top of it--not 

Stus-List Re: Bottom painting redux

[Andrew Adair via CnC-List]

David:  Your experience is not really different than mine.  I do find the outer 
surface of Vivid to be a bit soft when wet, but I find it makes it easy to wipe 
down the hull.  I also use a microfiber cloth.  I don’t get a big a big cloud, 
but I can see some sediment slough off in the water.  I have not had problems 
with bare spots, however.

Charlie:  to answer your questions the best I can: (1) I do find that if I put 
the boat in with a smooth bottom, it remains pretty smooth as it wears off.  
However, it is not as smooth as when freshly burnished. (2) If you roll and 
sand/burnish, I find it pretty easy to get a smooth bottom the following 
seasons.  Just repeat the process.  (3) Unfortunately, going to any hard paint 
after using an ablative is expensive or time consuming because you do have to 
take it all off!

Vivid has had its supporters and detractors.  There may be some faster paints, 
but I find it to be a good compromise.  It works well in our waters as an 
antifouling paint, it gives my boat a pretty smooth surface, and it is not too 
hard or time consuming to apply.  (The fact that it comes in great colors is a 
bonus!)

Best wishes,

Drew Adair
C&C 32 – Aurora
North East, MD

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Stus-List Re: Youtube.com on your smart TV

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

You are indeed correct, you can cast Youtube from your phone or laptop to the 
SmartTV, but the Smart TV can access YouTube direct and not tie up any other 
devices or require software.  Once you watch a few YouTubes on the TV, it will 
remember and show them as options on the home page.  Just sayin.

Chuck S

> On 01/09/2021 4:25 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> Generally, you can “cast” YouTube to a SmartTV, ChromeCast, FireTV or 
> FireStick. You can do it from your phone or from your PC (this even includes 
> the Apple variety).
> 
>  
> 
> Depending on the source, the “cast” option is either in a many or, as 
> Bill said, a rectangular box with quarter circles. When you select that 
> option the options to “where” you can cast should open.
> 
>  
> 
> Marek
> 
>  
> 
> From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List
> Sent: 9 January, 2021 16:13
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Bill Coleman 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Youtube.com on your smart TV
> 
>  
> 
> What I do to avoid the cumbersomeness of the television interface, is to 
> bring Youtube up on my smartphone, get the video I want and play it, then tap 
> on the icon at the top that looks like a square with a couple of little 
> quarter circles in the lower left corner. This will cast the YouTube right to 
> your tv, if it is a smart TV. I think you can still control it from your 
> phone then, or from the TV.
> 
> Bill Coleman
> 
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Stus-List Spam/scam email

[Stu via CnC-List]

I have sent John an email suggesting his email account has been hacked.

His email did go out to the list and several individuals.  It is harmless, so 
just delete it.

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Stus-List Re: C&C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

[Paul Vint via CnC-List]

Which "Kingston" are we talking about?

I live right near one of the "Kingston"s, but mine is in Ontario. I suspect
that';s not what you're talking about.

Paul Vint
Resolute 33 Mk I


On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 11:56 AM Stu via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Gladys and I will be vacationing this summer in Kingston and will be
> staying at a campground about 10 mins from town.  If anyone else would be
> coming with an RV (trailer, tent, motor home) let me know.  I’ll check with
> the campground to see if we can get a group discount.
>
> Stu
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Stus-List Re: C&C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

[Robert Mazza via CnC-List]

Yes, Kingston, Ontario.

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, 8:23 PM Paul Vint via CnC-List, 
wrote:

> Which "Kingston" are we talking about?
>
> I live right near one of the "Kingston"s, but mine is in Ontario. I
> suspect that';s not what you're talking about.
>
> Paul Vint
> Resolute 33 Mk I
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 11:56 AM Stu via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> Gladys and I will be vacationing this summer in Kingston and will be
>> staying at a campground about 10 mins from town.  If anyone else would be
>> coming with an RV (trailer, tent, motor home) let me know.  I’ll check with
>> the campground to see if we can get a group discount.
>>
>> Stu
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>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
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Stus-List test

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

testing!  A couple of replies would be appreciated (but don't y'all get 
carried away with it...)


--
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
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Stus-List Re: test

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Hello Graham!  Test reply.

On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 at 22:24, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> testing!  A couple of replies would be appreciated (but don't y'all get
> carried away with it...)
>
> --
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
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Stus-List Re: test

[Adam Hayden via CnC-List]

Hey Graham


Hapoy new year


Adam
C&C36
Pictou NS

Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.


From: Graham Collins via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021, 10:24 p.m.
To: C&C List
Cc: Graham Collins
Subject: Stus-List test

testing!  A couple of replies would be appreciated (but don't y'all get
carried away with it...)

--
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
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Stus-List Re: test

[Dean McNeill via CnC-List]

Backa ta ya.
Dean
BarraWind
C&C34
Halifax, NS


> On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:36 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> testing!  A couple of replies would be appreciated (but don't y'all get 
> carried away with it...)
> 
> -- 
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
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