date:20210128

I've been following this discussion with interest since we are often either 
short handed (or short handed where it counts!) as in doing the foredeck dance 
with a symmetrical kite on my 36'er. All of our local club races are W-L.
My question is can I be competitive in the spin fleet with an A3(or other Ax) 
using the tack or a proper spinnaker pole (not oversized)? 
The local PHRF has agreed that as long as the A-kite has no more area than the 
S kite, and it flies from the tack or pole less than so many inches forward of 
the tack, my rating would not change at least initially.
My question for Bob Mann below is then--are you still competitive against full 
kites using the A3 attached at the tack/bow or the kite pole?
Charlie Nelson 


-Original Message-
From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2021 7:53 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: asail flown from spinnaker pole

Do an outside gybe. Trim main, ease spin sheet a lot and let it float forward 
then bring it over and gybe the main 
Joel 
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 7:42 PM Bob Mann via CnC-List  
wrote:

   No sock.       The board really only wanted to use A3 on races of 25nm or 
more, where there would be minimal gybing and long legs. I got them to change 
it to any race so that when we're short-handed we're still able to be 
competitive against full spinnakers       Bob  
  On 01/28/2021 5:58 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
wrote:           I would just go as far as I could, pull the sissy sock down 
over it and just broad reach into the leeward mark. If there was too much 
distance, I would then re-set on the other side and pull the sock back up,  
THAT is why I really want a top-down furler!     Bill Coleman Entrada, Erie, PA 
        From: Bob Mann via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 3:57 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Bob Mann
Subject: Stus-List asail flown from spinnaker pole      The Detroit area OD 
fleet of 35 mk I's is allowing asails (A3 specifically) this year for the first 
time ever, but they must be flown from the tack or spinnaker pole.  Does anyone 
know of any videos showing asails flown from a spinnaker pole?  I'd especially 
like to see one being gybed.  I've flown an A2 from my tack before, and gybed 
it, so that's not an issue.  I think I have an idea of how it's done using a 
tack line and spinnaker pole, but I'd like to "see" it done as well.  FWIW we 
do dip-pole gybes. Bob MannMysticThanks to all of the 
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Stus-List Re: Furler question

Years ago I suffered from problems with my Harken fuller until I learned about 
the problem with the angle between the halyard exit point from the mast sheave 
and the top of the fuller drum.
The first fix was the Harken halyard restrainer--which increased this angle so 
that the angle between the restrainer and the drum was larger.  Unfortunately, 
the halyard restrainer itself was so large and clunky, given the limited space 
between the forestay/furler drum/swivel and the restrainer when at full hoist, 
that the problem was only partially solved: it worked better than no restrainer 
but not all the time.
The final fix, suggested by an excellent rigger, was to 'pitch' the restrainer 
and mount a permanent bail near the top of the mast forward. This took up much 
less space so that the sail did not need cut to reach full hoist and now the 
angle so large that I never have issues with furling, at least at the top of 
the mast!
FWIW
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1996 C 36 XL/kcb 


-Original Message-
From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2021 2:40 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question

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on the end of the halyardlast summer when I was having trouble with 
roller-furling. I thought that maybethe length between the top roller and mast 
was too long,(not enough angle)and Iflipped the snap shackle sideways and just 
used one shackle to the roller. Thisgot it up a few inches more, but Still had 
problems, and thought maybe theflopping shackle was hitting the forestay. I 
would remove it, but I hate toscrap a perfectly good Tylaska snap shackle. I 
will say, I got a whole new appreciation for the situation upthere after being 
hauled up to look at it in action from a few inches away. Ihighly recommend it. 
      Bill Coleman Entrada, Erie, PA          From: Matthew viaCnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:35 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: Matthew
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question    
Whileon the topic of furlers, I noticed a couple times last summer that we 
haddifficulty unfurling the sail.  My best guess is that the wire ropethimble 
holding the snap shackle onto the halyard was banging into something uptop.  
I’m replacing the wire-to-rope halyards with all rope for this year,and my line 
supplier said if I’m using a furler (Harken in my case) I don’tneed a snap 
shackle on the halyard.  All I need is an eye splice becausethe furler already 
has a snap shackle for the halyard.  Does anyone havethis arrangement (just an 
eye splice at the end of the halyard)?    Pleaseadvise.  Thanks.    Matt    
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Stus-List Re: Stack Pack

Hi Dave,

It will be some time before I get my lazy jacks done and the mast put back in 
the boat and rigged, but I'll share pictures then.  You may enjoy watching a 
video of splicing the amsteel using low friction rings.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVXV4e1a0-A


Chuck S

> On 01/28/2021 3:08 PM Dave S via CnC-List  wrote:
>  
>  
> Chuck - sounds interesting - would really like to see the end result, 
> hopefully you can post some pics somewhere!
> Dave 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> > > On Jan 28, 2021, at 11:30 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks to everyone for your great responses on Lazy Jacks 
> and Stack Packs.  I'm making my own lazy jacks using very small diameter 
> dyneema and Ronstan shock blocks.  I will have to alter my design slighty to 
> make it retractable.  FWIW, I found videos on installing a Mack Pack and 
> various other systems.  The Mack Pack looks like an improvement on the first 
> designs.  And Mack sells a nice bracket for the end of the boom to attach the 
> bag and support a pulley for the zipper.  The bracket looks like a good 
> option if I get a pack as I don't have a topping lift to support the clew end 
> of the bag.
> >  
> > I installed the hardware on the mast and boom and my amsteel system 
> > is so light and slippery, it adds very little weight and windage and is 
> > stronger overall.  It will double as a topping lift and support the boom 
> > when I flake the sail.  That will make the process much safer.
> >  
> > Thanks,
> > Chuck S
> >  
> > 
> > > > > On 01/28/2021 10:02 AM Doug Mountjoy via 
> > CnC-List  wrote:
> > >  
> > >  
> > > Hi Chuck
> > > I thought that with the extra cut outs for lazyjacks. 
> > > installing the cover was labor intensive. Without the cut outs, tie the 
> > > sail, lower the lazyjacks, and install the cover. I made my lazyjacks, 
> > > using 2 cheek blocks on the mast, a few metal rings for the sail support 
> > > lines. When lowered they hooked on the reef horns. I had marked the hoist 
> > > lines for proper repositioning.  
> > > With cutouts putting the cover on around the Jack lines can 
> > > be a real PITA. 
> > > Hope this helps. 
> > >  
> > >  
> > > Doug Mountjoy
> > > sv Rebecca Leah 
> > > C Landfall 39
> > > Port Orchard yacht club
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Stus-List Re: Stack Pack

2021-01-28 Thread Dave S via CnC-List

Sailrite video on DIY stack pack/lazy bag setup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMB-r4mtK1Q=3081s


On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 08:26, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Doug,
> Can you explain why you prefer the conventional cover and adjustable lazy
> jacks?  I'm building my system and would like to incorporate your advice.
> How would the best system work?
>
> Chuck S
>
> On 01/28/2021 7:56 AM Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
> I had a Doyle stack pack installed on my LF39. With the center cockpit,
> and full canvas there was no way to install a sail cover. The stack pack is
> rigged so the zipper can be opened and closed from the mast.
> On my LF38 I made a sailrite sail cover with lazyjack slots . If I had to
> do it again I would just make it a conventional cover, and use an
> adjustable lazyjack system.
>
>
>
>
> Doug Mountjoy
> sv Rebecca Leah
> C Landfall 39
> Port Orchard yacht club
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Stus-List Re: asail flown from spinnaker pole

2021-01-28 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List

Bob

I’ve never used the pole like that.  I was thinking you would leave it in
place like a sprit.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 8:05 PM Bob Mann via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Joel,
>
> you're missing the part with the spinnaker pole. It also has to be moved
> to gybed position.
>
> Bob
>
> On 01/28/2021 7:53 PM Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
> Do an outside gybe. Trim main, ease spin sheet a lot and let it float
> forward then bring it over and gybe the main
>
> Joel
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 7:42 PM Bob Mann via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> No sock.
>
> The board really only wanted to use A3 on races of 25nm or more, where
> there would be minimal gybing and long legs. I got them to change it to any
> race so that when we're short-handed we're still able to be competitive
> against full spinnakers
>
> Bob
>
> On 01/28/2021 5:58 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I would just go as far as I could, pull the sissy sock down over it and
> just broad reach into the leeward mark. If there was too much distance, I
> would then re-set on the other side and pull the sock back up,  THAT is why
> I really want a top-down furler!
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bob Mann via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2021 3:57 PM
> *To:* Stus-List
> *Cc:* Bob Mann
> *Subject:* Stus-List asail flown from spinnaker pole
>
>
>
> The Detroit area OD fleet of 35 mk I's is allowing asails (A3
> specifically) this year for the first time ever, but they must be flown
> from the tack or spinnaker pole.  Does anyone know of any videos showing
> asails flown from a spinnaker pole?  I'd especially like to see one being
> gybed.  I've flown an A2 from my tack before, and gybed it, so that's not
> an issue.  I think I have an idea of how it's done using a tack line and
> spinnaker pole, but I'd like to "see" it done as well.  FWIW we do dip-pole
> gybes.
>
>
>
> Bob Mann
>
> Mystic
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>
> --
> Joel
>
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Stus-List Re: asail flown from spinnaker pole

Joel, 

you're missing the part with the spinnaker pole. It also has to be moved to 
gybed position.

Bob

> On 01/28/2021 7:53 PM Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> Do an outside gybe. Trim main, ease spin sheet a lot and let it float 
> forward then bring it over and gybe the main 
>  
> Joel 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 7:42 PM Bob Mann via CnC-List < 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> > > No sock.
> >  
> > The board really only wanted to use A3 on races of 25nm or more, 
> > where there would be minimal gybing and long legs. I got them to change it 
> > to any race so that when we're short-handed we're still able to be 
> > competitive against full spinnakers
> >  
> > Bob
> > 
> > > > > On 01/28/2021 5:58 PM Bill Coleman via 
> > CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > >  
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I would just go as far as I could, pull the sissy sock down 
> > > over it and just broad reach into the leeward mark. If there was too much 
> > > distance, I would then re-set on the other side and pull the sock back 
> > > up,  THAT is why I really want a top-down furler!
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Bill Coleman
> > > 
> > > Entrada, Erie, PA
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > From: Bob Mann via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> > > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com ]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 3:57 PM
> > > To: Stus-List
> > > Cc: Bob Mann
> > > Subject: Stus-List asail flown from spinnaker pole
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > The Detroit area OD fleet of 35 mk I's is allowing asails (A3 
> > > specifically) this year for the first time ever, but they must be flown 
> > > from the tack or spinnaker pole.  Does anyone know of any videos showing 
> > > asails flown from a spinnaker pole?  I'd especially like to see one being 
> > > gybed.  I've flown an A2 from my tack before, and gybed it, so that's not 
> > > an issue.  I think I have an idea of how it's done using a tack line and 
> > > spinnaker pole, but I'd like to "see" it done as well.  FWIW we do 
> > > dip-pole gybes.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Bob Mann
> > > 
> > > Mystic
> > > 
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> > > to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the 
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> > > 
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> > 
> > > --
> Joel
> 
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Stus-List Re: asail flown from spinnaker pole

2021-01-28 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List

Do an outside gybe. Trim main, ease spin sheet a lot and let it float
forward then bring it over and gybe the main

Joel

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 7:42 PM Bob Mann via CnC-List 
wrote:

> No sock.
>
> The board really only wanted to use A3 on races of 25nm or more, where
> there would be minimal gybing and long legs. I got them to change it to any
> race so that when we're short-handed we're still able to be competitive
> against full spinnakers
>
> Bob
>
> On 01/28/2021 5:58 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I would just go as far as I could, pull the sissy sock down over it and
> just broad reach into the leeward mark. If there was too much distance, I
> would then re-set on the other side and pull the sock back up,  THAT is why
> I really want a top-down furler!
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bob Mann via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2021 3:57 PM
> *To:* Stus-List
> *Cc:* Bob Mann
> *Subject:* Stus-List asail flown from spinnaker pole
>
>
>
> The Detroit area OD fleet of 35 mk I's is allowing asails (A3
> specifically) this year for the first time ever, but they must be flown
> from the tack or spinnaker pole.  Does anyone know of any videos showing
> asails flown from a spinnaker pole?  I'd especially like to see one being
> gybed.  I've flown an A2 from my tack before, and gybed it, so that's not
> an issue.  I think I have an idea of how it's done using a tack line and
> spinnaker pole, but I'd like to "see" it done as well.  FWIW we do dip-pole
> gybes.
>
>
>
> Bob Mann
>
> Mystic
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks -
> Stu
>
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu

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Stus-List Re: asail flown from spinnaker pole

No sock.

The board really only wanted to use A3 on races of 25nm or more, where there 
would be minimal gybing and long legs. I got them to change it to any race so 
that when we're short-handed we're still able to be competitive against full 
spinnakers

Bob

> On 01/28/2021 5:58 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> I would just go as far as I could, pull the sissy sock down over it and 
> just broad reach into the leeward mark. If there was too much distance, I 
> would then re-set on the other side and pull the sock back up,  THAT is why I 
> really want a top-down furler!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Bill Coleman
> 
> Entrada, Erie, PA
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Bob Mann via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 3:57 PM
> To: Stus-List
> Cc: Bob Mann
> Subject: Stus-List asail flown from spinnaker pole
> 
>  
> 
> The Detroit area OD fleet of 35 mk I's is allowing asails (A3 
> specifically) this year for the first time ever, but they must be flown from 
> the tack or spinnaker pole.  Does anyone know of any videos showing asails 
> flown from a spinnaker pole?  I'd especially like to see one being gybed.  
> I've flown an A2 from my tack before, and gybed it, so that's not an issue.  
> I think I have an idea of how it's done using a tack line and spinnaker pole, 
> but I'd like to "see" it done as well.  FWIW we do dip-pole gybes.
> 
>  
> 
> Bob Mann
> 
> Mystic
> 
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help 
> with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
> 
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Stus-List Re: asail flown from spinnaker pole

2021-01-28 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List

I would just go as far as I could, pull the sissy sock down over it and just 
broad reach into the leeward mark. If there was too much distance, I would then 
re-set on the other side and pull the sock back up,  THAT is why I really want 
a top-down furler!

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Bob Mann via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 3:57 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Bob Mann
Subject: Stus-List asail flown from spinnaker pole

 

The Detroit area OD fleet of 35 mk I's is allowing asails (A3 specifically) 
this year for the first time ever, but they must be flown from the tack or 
spinnaker pole.  Does anyone know of any videos showing asails flown from a 
spinnaker pole?  I'd especially like to see one being gybed.  I've flown an A2 
from my tack before, and gybed it, so that's not an issue.  I think I have an 
idea of how it's done using a tack line and spinnaker pole, but I'd like to 
"see" it done as well.  FWIW we do dip-pole gybes. 

  

Bob Mann 

Mystic 

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Stus-List asail flown from spinnaker pole

The Detroit area OD fleet of 35 mk I's is allowing asails (A3 specifically) 
this year for the first time ever, but they must be flown from the tack or 
spinnaker pole.  Does anyone know of any videos showing asails flown from a 
spinnaker pole?  I'd especially like to see one being gybed.  I've flown an A2 
from my tack before, and gybed it, so that's not an issue.  I think I have an 
idea of how it's done using a tack line and spinnaker pole, but I'd like to 
"see" it done as well.  FWIW we do dip-pole gybes.

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Stus-List DIY Lazy Jack System

2021-01-28 Thread Stu via CnC-List

On the Photo Album, under Do It Yourself, there is a simple DIY lazy jack 
system.  It works.

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Stus-List Re: Stack Pack

2021-01-28 Thread Dave S via CnC-List

Chuck - sounds interesting - would really like to see the end result, hopefully 
you can post some pics somewhere!
Dave 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2021, at 11:30 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks to everyone for your great responses on Lazy Jacks and Stack Packs.  
> I'm making my own lazy jacks using very small diameter dyneema and Ronstan 
> shock blocks.  I will have to alter my design slighty to make it retractable. 
>  FWIW, I found videos on installing a Mack Pack and various other systems.  
> The Mack Pack looks like an improvement on the first designs.  And Mack sells 
> a nice bracket for the end of the boom to attach the bag and support a pulley 
> for the zipper.  The bracket looks like a good option if I get a pack as I 
> don't have a topping lift to support the clew end of the bag.
>  
> I installed the hardware on the mast and boom and my amsteel system is so 
> light and slippery, it adds very little weight and windage and is stronger 
> overall.  It will double as a topping lift and support the boom when I flake 
> the sail.  That will make the process much safer.
>  
> Thanks,
> Chuck S
>  
>> On 01/28/2021 10:02 AM Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Hi Chuck
>> I thought that with the extra cut outs for lazyjacks. installing the cover 
>> was labor intensive. Without the cut outs, tie the sail, lower the 
>> lazyjacks, and install the cover. I made my lazyjacks, using 2 cheek blocks 
>> on the mast, a few metal rings for the sail support lines. When lowered they 
>> hooked on the reef horns. I had marked the hoist lines for proper 
>> repositioning.  
>> With cutouts putting the cover on around the Jack lines can be a real PITA. 
>> Hope this helps. 
>>  
>>  
>> Doug Mountjoy
>> sv Rebecca Leah 
>> C Landfall 39
>> Port Orchard yacht club
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Stus-List Re: Mounting deck hardware

+2 on Bed-It.  It is unbelievably 'sticky' and 'stretchy'. 
OTOH, I wish it came in an 1/8" thickness. It sometimes requires that you use 2 
layers IMHO (depending on your skills or how uneven the surface you are working 
on) and between itsstickiness and stretchiness you can end up with the stuff in 
more places than you planned on, including your fingers/gloves/etc.!
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom


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To: Stus-List 
Cc: Doug Mountjoy 
Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2021 1:32 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: Mounting deck hardware

+1 on bed-it. 


 Doug Mountjoysv Rebecca Leah C Landfall 39Port Orchard yacht club
 Original message From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
 Date: 1/28/21 11:52 (GMT-05:00) To: 'Stus-List' 
 Cc: Bill Coleman  Subject: Stus-List 
Re: Mounting deck hardware 
There are a few, but BedIt is a good one.       Bill Coleman Entrada, Erie, PA  
        From: Blair Clark viaCnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 11:27 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Blair Clark
Subject: Stus-List Re: Mounting deck hardware    Notsure if brand matters but i 
used 1/2 * 1/8th    Ifound a good practice is to countersink gelcoat with 
5/16th and apply coneshape butyl tape to bolt.    lastyear I refitted deck 
hardware, genoa tracks and mast collar with this approachand it worked great.   
 From: James Hesketh via CnC-List 
Sent: January 28, 2021 12:01 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: James Hesketh 
Subject: Stus-List Mounting deck hardware    I'm finishing a long repainting 
project and will bereinstalling all my cleats, winches, tracks and such soon.   
  Within the past few months there was a discussion aboutmounting deck hardware 
and which brand/type of Butyl Tape was preferred. Iwrote it down somewhere but 
time and dottage has carried that note away.    Could someone remind me which 
is the favored tape please?    TIA    Jim Hesketh C 26 Whisper Miami, FL    
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Stus-List Re: Mounting deck hardware

2021-01-28 Thread Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List

+1 on bed-it. Doug Mountjoysv Rebecca Leah C Landfall 39Port Orchard yacht 
club
 Original message From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
 Date: 1/28/21  11:52  (GMT-05:00) To: 'Stus-List' 
 Cc: Bill Coleman  Subject: Stus-List 
Re: Mounting deck hardware 

There are a few, but BedIt is a good one.

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

From: Blair Clark via
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Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 11:27 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Blair Clark
Subject: Stus-List Re: Mounting deck hardware

Not
sure if brand matters but i used 1/2 * 1/8th

I
found a good practice is to countersink gelcoat with 5/16th and apply cone
shape butyl tape to bolt.

last
year I refitted deck hardware, genoa tracks and mast collar with this approach
and it worked great.

From: James Hesketh via CnC-List 
Sent: January 28, 2021 12:01 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: James Hesketh 
Subject: Stus-List Mounting deck hardware 

I'm finishing a long repainting project and will be
reinstalling all my cleats, winches, tracks and such soon. 

Within the past few months there was a discussion about
mounting deck hardware and which brand/type of Butyl Tape was preferred. I
wrote it down somewhere but time and dottage has carried that note away.

Could someone remind me which is the favored tape please?

TIA

Jim Hesketh

C 26 Whisper

Miami, FL

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Stus-List Re: Mounting deck hardware

I use this:
https://shop.marinehowto.com/products/bed-it-tape

I went the long way round on painting the deck. My boat is out in the weather
on stands and I got tired of taping over holes in the deck each time rain was
foecasted and worrying about rain ruining my interior, as I've been taking over
a year to complete this task. I changed my method to something you may
consider.

I removed hardware in sections, overdrilled the holes, cut back some balsa core
and filled with thicken epoxy and after that cured, I used a 5/8" counter sink
bit to index the location by drilling a little vee shaped crater about an 1/8"
into the epoxy. That made the deck "rain proof" and I primed over that and can
easily see where the hardware like fairleads and cleats and cheek blocks and
handrails go. I'm eliminating some hardware but I indexed their holes anyway
so a future owner can add them if he chooses.

The 5/8" countersink works great for all fastener 1/8" up to 3/8".

I also learned some tricks using a tarp to protect the deck when I'm not there
and still allow me to work when I am. I cover the deck from the rear of the
pulpit, over the cabintop and campanioway as far as the front third of the
cockit. I remove about fifteen bolts that hold the stanchions and roll the
lifelines up and store in the pulpit and the pushpit. This requires a 10mil
white 18' x 25' tarp that drapes well over the toerail enough that I can easily
tie lines under the hull to hold it in place. I have about seven lines with a
slip knot every third hole along the tarp. I also tie the middle of the tarp
edge fore and aft. So when I arrive at the boat, I rig my extension cord for
power and undo all of the lines under the hull before I climb a ladder into the
cockpit and untie the lines holding the aft edge of the tarp. Then I fold one
side of the tarp at a time onto the centerline so I have the whole tarp flaked
down the center of the deck. This gets rolled from the cock
pit over the cabintop and over the foredeck until it is all rolled up. I lift
that roll up off the deck and set it in the pulpit and tie it to the pulpit so
I have full access to the deck. The tarp has a line from the bow that remains
attached so I can reset the tarp if rain suddenly threatens, by reversing the
procedure which takes about twenty minutes total.

I improved the tarp's drainage a little by adding a plywood triangle from the
two winches at the rear of the coachroof to the mast's deck ring. The wood
structure supports the tarp in such a way as to avoid low spots that could
allow rain or snow to puddle and freeze and stress the tarp.

I once had a tarp develop a belly from strong winter wind. We had a big
snowfall and then it turned to rain. After that the snow and rain froze and
the weight pulled the tarp down onto the deck. I'd estimate the weight of the
ice block to be two to three hundred pounds as it was about seven feet long and
over a foot thick and a two feet wide. I had to remove the lifelines to clear
a path to push it off the side deck from under the tarp.

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R Pasadena Md Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the
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Stus-List Re: Mounting deck hardware

I second use of Bedit. 

Bob Mann

> On 01/28/2021 11:52 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> There are a few, but BedIt is a good one.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Bill Coleman
> 
> Entrada, Erie, PA
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Blair Clark via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 11:27 AM
> To: Stus-List
> Cc: Blair Clark
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Mounting deck hardware
> 
>  
> 
> Not sure if brand matters but i used 1/2 * 1/8th
> 
>  
> 
> I found a good practice is to countersink gelcoat with 5/16th and apply 
> cone shape butyl tape to bolt.
> 
>  
> 
> last year I refitted deck hardware, genoa tracks and mast collar with 
> this approach and it worked great.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -
> 
> From: James Hesketh via CnC-List 
> Sent: January 28, 2021 12:01 PM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: James Hesketh 
> Subject: Stus-List Mounting deck hardware
> 
>  
> 
> I'm finishing a long repainting project and will be reinstalling all my 
> cleats, winches, tracks and such soon.
> 
>  
> 
> Within the past few months there was a discussion about mounting deck 
> hardware and which brand/type of Butyl Tape was preferred. I wrote it down 
> somewhere but time and dottage has carried that note away.
> 
>  
> 
> Could someone remind me which is the favored tape please?
> 
>  
> 
> TIA
> 
>  
> 
> Jim Hesketh
> 
> C 26 Whisper
> 
> Miami, FL
> 
>  
> 
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> with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
> 
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Stus-List Re: Teak Sole

I had the faux teak flooring installed on my screw-in 1995 C 36 XL/kcb sole. 
Between the cost of the flooring (got it from Defender) and the install, it was 
about $2k, which was what it cost me the 1st time I replaced it with all new 
stuff by a boatyard about 10 years ago.
I could not see the point of replacing all the 1/2-3/4 inch teak and holly sole 
(only the 'top-side' had a thin veneer of T on plywood) since the wood was in 
great shape--only the veneer was 'gone' in most places.
It looks great after only 1 year (almost). If you go with this stuff, be sure 
and have a helper. I was initially going to do it myself but when I got the 
stuff and the instructions it was clear that between the size of the floor 
panels and the relatively quick setting glue (~ 30 minutes), there was no way I 
was going to try this myself and waste ~$800 (or a large part of it) getting it 
done correctly.
Charlie Nelson1995 C 36XL/kcbWater Phantom 


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Cc: John McCrea 
Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2021 4:01 pm
Subject: Stus-List Teak Sole

All,  We are going to 
replace our Teak and Holly sole in our 1979 36-1 this year. It is pretty tired. 
I have the old style 5 panel system that screws into the floor pan. First 
thought is just replace with the same ½ teak and holly plywood. I need a sheet 
and a half and Boulter Plywood in MA will sell a full for $285 and half for 
$175. Thought about the faux teak flooring but worried if I glue that over the 
existing panels it will cause high spots since it is not a continuous floor. 
Had anyone done this job and would be interested to learn of any other idea’s.  
Thanks  John McCreaTalisman36-1Mystic, CTThanks to all of the subscribers that 
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Stus-List Re: Mounting deck hardware

2021-01-28 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List

There are a few, but BedIt is a good one.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Blair Clark via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 11:27 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Blair Clark
Subject: Stus-List Re: Mounting deck hardware

 

Not sure if brand matters but i used 1/2 * 1/8th

 

I found a good practice is to countersink gelcoat with 5/16th and apply cone
shape butyl tape to bolt.

 

last year I refitted deck hardware, genoa tracks and mast collar with this
approach and it worked great.

 

  _  

From: James Hesketh via CnC-List 
Sent: January 28, 2021 12:01 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: James Hesketh 
Subject: Stus-List Mounting deck hardware 

 

I'm finishing a long repainting project and will be reinstalling all my
cleats, winches, tracks and such soon. 

 

Within the past few months there was a discussion about mounting deck
hardware and which brand/type of Butyl Tape was preferred. I wrote it down
somewhere but time and dottage has carried that note away.

 

Could someone remind me which is the favored tape please?

 

TIA

 

Jim Hesketh

C 26 Whisper

Miami, FL

 

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Stus-List Re: Mounting deck hardware

2021-01-28 Thread Blair Clark via CnC-List

oops 5/8 countersink...one suggested rule of thumb is countersink twice 
diameter of bolt hole

From: Blair Clark via CnC-List 
Sent: January 28, 2021 12:27 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Blair Clark 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Mounting deck hardware

Not sure if brand matters but i used 1/2 * 1/8th

I found a good practice is to countersink gelcoat with 5/16th and apply cone 
shape butyl tape to bolt.

last year I refitted deck hardware, genoa tracks and mast collar with this 
approach and it worked great.

From: James Hesketh via CnC-List 
Sent: January 28, 2021 12:01 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: James Hesketh 
Subject: Stus-List Mounting deck hardware

I'm finishing a long repainting project and will be reinstalling all my cleats, 
winches, tracks and such soon.

Within the past few months there was a discussion about mounting deck hardware 
and which brand/type of Butyl Tape was preferred. I wrote it down somewhere but 
time and dottage has carried that note away.

Could someone remind me which is the favored tape please?

TIA

Jim Hesketh
C 26 Whisper
Miami, FL

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Stus-List Re: Stack Pack

Thanks to everyone for your great responses on Lazy Jacks and Stack Packs.  I'm 
making my own lazy jacks using very small diameter dyneema and Ronstan shock 
blocks.  I will have to alter my design slighty to make it retractable.  FWIW, 
I found videos on installing a Mack Pack and various other systems.  The Mack 
Pack looks like an improvement on the first designs.  And Mack sells a nice 
bracket for the end of the boom to attach the bag and support a pulley for the 
zipper.  The bracket looks like a good option if I get a pack as I don't have a 
topping lift to support the clew end of the bag.

I installed the hardware on the mast and boom and my amsteel system is so light 
and slippery, it adds very little weight and windage and is stronger overall.  
It will double as a topping lift and support the boom when I flake the sail.  
That will make the process much safer.

Thanks,
Chuck S

> On 01/28/2021 10:02 AM Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> Hi Chuck
> I thought that with the extra cut outs for lazyjacks. installing the 
> cover was labor intensive. Without the cut outs, tie the sail, lower the 
> lazyjacks, and install the cover. I made my lazyjacks, using 2 cheek blocks 
> on the mast, a few metal rings for the sail support lines. When lowered they 
> hooked on the reef horns. I had marked the hoist lines for proper 
> repositioning.  
> With cutouts putting the cover on around the Jack lines can be a real 
> PITA. 
> Hope this helps. 
>  
>  
> Doug Mountjoy
> sv Rebecca Leah 
> C Landfall 39
> Port Orchard yacht club
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help 
> with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use 
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> 
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Stus-List Re: Mounting deck hardware

2021-01-28 Thread Blair Clark via CnC-List

Not sure if brand matters but i used 1/2 * 1/8th

I found a good practice is to countersink gelcoat with 5/16th and apply cone 
shape butyl tape to bolt.

last year I refitted deck hardware, genoa tracks and mast collar with this 
approach and it worked great.


From: James Hesketh via CnC-List 
Sent: January 28, 2021 12:01 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: James Hesketh 
Subject: Stus-List Mounting deck hardware

I'm finishing a long repainting project and will be reinstalling all my cleats, 
winches, tracks and such soon.

Within the past few months there was a discussion about mounting deck hardware 
and which brand/type of Butyl Tape was preferred. I wrote it down somewhere but 
time and dottage has carried that note away.

Could someone remind me which is the favored tape please?

TIA

Jim Hesketh
C 26 Whisper
Miami, FL

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Stus-List Mounting deck hardware

2021-01-28 Thread James Hesketh via CnC-List

I'm finishing a long repainting project and will be reinstalling all my
cleats, winches, tracks and such soon.

Within the past few months there was a discussion about mounting deck
hardware and which brand/type of Butyl Tape was preferred. I wrote it down
somewhere but time and dottage has carried that note away.

Could someone remind me which is the favored tape please?

TIA

Jim Hesketh
C 26 Whisper
Miami, FL
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Stus-List Re: Stack Pack

2021-01-28 Thread Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List

Hi ChuckI thought that with the extra cut outs for lazyjacks. installing the 
cover was labor intensive. Without the cut outs, tie the sail, lower the 
lazyjacks, and install the cover. I made my lazyjacks, using 2 cheek blocks on 
the mast, a few metal rings for the sail support lines. When lowered they 
hooked on the reef horns. I had marked the hoist lines for proper 
repositioning.  With cutouts putting the cover on around the Jack lines can be 
a real PITA. Hope this helps. Doug Mountjoysv Rebecca Leah C Landfall 39Port 
Orchard yacht club
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Stus-List Re: Stack Pack

2021-01-28 Thread dukatolla--- via CnC-List

Hi Chuck
Installed a Tides Strong Track , Lazy jacks and a Doyle Stack Pack type
Sailcover.
om my 1970 C a couple of years ago. No services where I'm at thank God so
I
DIYed it..like all things : ).
The Tides Strong track was a a bit more than a Boat Buck (approx 45' of track.
The Stack Pack was brand new 2nd hand, made for a 20 ft boom so I had a
Mennonite

Canvas man chop in half and modify it to fit..turned out super duper.
Lazy Jacks came with the pack so just modified them to fit as well.
So easy to go out for a sail with all of the above.
Good Luck
SunnyJ

On Thursday, January 28, 2021, 08:26:28 a.m. EST, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via
CnC-List wrote:

Hi Doug, Can you explain why you prefer the conventional cover and
adjustable lazy jacks? I'm building my system and would like to incorporate
your advice. How would the best system work? Chuck S
On 01/28/2021 7:56 AM Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List
wrote: I had a Doyle stack pack installed on my LF39. With the center
cockpit, and full canvas there was no way to install a sail cover. The stack
pack is rigged so the zipper can be opened and closed from the mast. On my
LF38 I made a sailrite sail cover with lazyjack slots . If I had to do it again
I would just make it a conventional cover, and use an adjustable lazyjack
system. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C Landfall 39
Port Orchard yacht club Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to
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Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the
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Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack Now CRADLE

2021-01-28 Thread David Knecht via CnC-List

The Mack Pack has a line attached to the zipper and blocks mounted front and 
rear so you can grab that line anywhere along its length and open or close the 
zipper.  Nice feature.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Jan 28, 2021, at 8:53 AM, Blair Clark via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
>  Hi there,
> 
> We had a tides marine mast track and Doyle stack pack on our 30-2 worked 
> fairly good for convenience.
> 
> On our 34 + we have a batten rail car system for the track, which I love, and 
> a brand new conventional sailcover with cut out and fold over velcroed flaps 
> for lazy jack lines.
> 
> I was considering whether one could install a zipper down the top of the sail 
> cover to use as a lazy version of a stack pack and still be able to remove 
> when performance or more aesthetic pleasing sailing was preferred.
> 
> Also, when I asked the local Doyle loft about it they said that they do not 
> make stack packs anymore but instead it is called a sail Cradle. main 
> difference being that it does not afix to the sail.
> 
> Pricing is roughly $ 100 per ft.
> 
> Bat bucks being assigned elsewhere but I am still interested in whether a 
> functional Zipper arrangement idea could be arranged on conventional cover.
> 
> Blair
> 
> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  >
> Sent: January 28, 2021 9:31 AM
> To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack
>  
> Hi Chuck
>  
> Persistence has lazy jacks that we sometimes have in place and use and other 
> times have tied off to base of shrouds.  Sail cover is unmodified and still 
> works with the lazy jacks.
>  
> I should point out that Lazy jacks are only half a solution.  In our case 
> they do not work well even after we moved the aft most boom attachment point 
> further forward.  The sail does not come down in a nicely organized manner 
> and still requires flaking properly when back at the dock.  Part of this is 
> likely due to the stiffness of our main which is a Quantum Fusion M5500 
> series sail with taffeta on both sides.
>  
> On our wish list is a Doyle Stack pack main.  We sailed on a sister ship that 
> had this for cruising and sometimes also used on a Wednesday evening race.  
> It was very slick and the sail had a nice shape as well.  We were very 
> impressed.
>  
> Dreaming of summer,
>  
> Mike Hoyt
> Persistence
> Halifax, NS
>  
> From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  > 
> Sent: January 27, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: John Conklin mailto:jconk...@hotmail.com>>; 
> CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>>
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack
>  
> The Tides Marine strong track is very pricey and my system works fine without 
> it.  If I had a full battan main I might consider one.
>   
> I am rigging lazy jacks this year to catch the main when I drop it.   I 
> expect I will need to alter the sail cover and instead, I'm considering 
> buying or making a stack pack instead.  Has anybody made their own or can 
> offer advice on those? 
>   
> Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R
>   
>
> On 01/27/2021 8:11 PM John Conklin via CnC-List  > wrote:
>  
>  
> I would love a tides track as 90% of my sailing is solo (About 250% more than 
> last season) 
> I can hoist the main on my 37 from the cockpit except for the final  
> Only 1 block at. Foot of mast straight shot to winch.
> Issue I have is dropping and stacking solo amd why I really want the tides 
> track too! 
> But I was Quoted 3 boat $ bucks for that system  so other priorities first :( 
>  
> John Conklin 
> S/V Halcyon 
> S/V Heartbeat
>  
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
>  Thanks - Stu

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Stus-List Re: Stack Pack

2021-01-28 Thread schiller via CnC-List

We used Port Townsend Rigging's Lazy Jack kit on our 35-3.  They stow at 
the mast so no modifications were required to the sail cover.  They are 
easy to use and you can leave them stowed while raining the main and not 
get battens caught.  They were easy to install and reasonably priced.


Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan

On 1/28/2021 8:26 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Doug,
Can you explain why you prefer the conventional cover and adjustable 
lazy jacks?  I'm building my system and would like to incorporate your 
advice.  How would the best system work?

Chuck S
On 01/28/2021 7:56 AM Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
 wrote:
I had a Doyle stack pack installed on my LF39. With the center 
cockpit, and full canvas there was no way to install a sail cover. 
The stack pack is rigged so the zipper can be opened and closed from 
the mast.
On my LF38 I made a sailrite sail cover with lazyjack slots . If I 
had to do it again I would just make it a conventional cover, and use 
an adjustable lazyjack system.

Doug Mountjoy
sv Rebecca Leah
C Landfall 39
Port Orchard yacht club
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Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack Now CRADLE

2021-01-28 Thread Blair Clark via CnC-List

 Hi there,

We had a tides marine mast track and Doyle stack pack on our 30-2 worked fairly 
good for convenience.

On our 34 + we have a batten rail car system for the track, which I love, and a 
brand new conventional sailcover with cut out and fold over velcroed flaps for 
lazy jack lines.

I was considering whether one could install a zipper down the top of the sail 
cover to use as a lazy version of a stack pack and still be able to remove when 
performance or more aesthetic pleasing sailing was preferred.

Also, when I asked the local Doyle loft about it they said that they do not 
make stack packs anymore but instead it is called a sail Cradle. main 
difference being that it does not afix to the sail.

Pricing is roughly $ 100 per ft.

Bat bucks being assigned elsewhere but I am still interested in whether a 
functional Zipper arrangement idea could be arranged on conventional cover.

Blair


From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: January 28, 2021 9:31 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack


Hi Chuck



Persistence has lazy jacks that we sometimes have in place and use and other 
times have tied off to base of shrouds.  Sail cover is unmodified and still 
works with the lazy jacks.



I should point out that Lazy jacks are only half a solution.  In our case they 
do not work well even after we moved the aft most boom attachment point further 
forward.  The sail does not come down in a nicely organized manner and still 
requires flaking properly when back at the dock.  Part of this is likely due to 
the stiffness of our main which is a Quantum Fusion M5500 series sail with 
taffeta on both sides.



On our wish list is a Doyle Stack pack main.  We sailed on a sister ship that 
had this for cruising and sometimes also used on a Wednesday evening race.  It 
was very slick and the sail had a nice shape as well.  We were very impressed.



Dreaming of summer,



Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS



From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: January 27, 2021 9:25 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: John Conklin ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack



The Tides Marine strong track is very pricey and my system works fine without 
it.  If I had a full battan main I might consider one.



I am rigging lazy jacks this year to catch the main when I drop it.   I expect 
I will need to alter the sail cover and instead, I'm considering buying or 
making a stack pack instead.  Has anybody made their own or can offer advice on 
those?



Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R





On 01/27/2021 8:11 PM John Conklin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:





I would love a tides track as 90% of my sailing is solo (About 250% more than 
last season)

I can hoist the main on my 37 from the cockpit except for the final
Only 1 block at. Foot of mast straight shot to winch.

Issue I have is dropping and stacking solo amd why I really want the tides 
track too!

But I was Quoted 3 boat $ bucks for that system  so other priorities first :(



John Conklin

S/V Halcyon

S/V Heartbeat


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costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
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Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack

2021-01-28 Thread Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List

Hi Chuck

Persistence has lazy jacks that we sometimes have in place and use and other 
times have tied off to base of shrouds.  Sail cover is unmodified and still 
works with the lazy jacks.

I should point out that Lazy jacks are only half a solution.  In our case they 
do not work well even after we moved the aft most boom attachment point further 
forward.  The sail does not come down in a nicely organized manner and still 
requires flaking properly when back at the dock.  Part of this is likely due to 
the stiffness of our main which is a Quantum Fusion M5500 series sail with 
taffeta on both sides.

On our wish list is a Doyle Stack pack main.  We sailed on a sister ship that 
had this for cruising and sometimes also used on a Wednesday evening race.  It 
was very slick and the sail had a nice shape as well.  We were very impressed.

Dreaming of summer,

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: January 27, 2021 9:25 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: John Conklin ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Strong track, lazy jacks, stack pack

The Tides Marine strong track is very pricey and my system works fine without 
it.  If I had a full battan main I might consider one.

I am rigging lazy jacks this year to catch the main when I drop it.   I expect 
I will need to alter the sail cover and instead, I'm considering buying or 
making a stack pack instead.  Has anybody made their own or can offer advice on 
those?

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R


On 01/27/2021 8:11 PM John Conklin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I would love a tides track as 90% of my sailing is solo (About 250% more than 
last season)
I can hoist the main on my 37 from the cockpit except for the final
Only 1 block at. Foot of mast straight shot to winch.
Issue I have is dropping and stacking solo amd why I really want the tides 
track too!
But I was Quoted 3 boat $ bucks for that system  so other priorities first :(

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat

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costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
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Stus-List Re: Stack Pack