Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

+1 on the "in-hull" transducer. It works like a charm. No speed, though.

Marek
1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa On



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 Original message 
From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
Date: 2023-03-13 17:34 (GMT-05:00)
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

Consider an "in hull"  transducer.  No hole needed.  Mount anyplace with solid 
hull.  I have 2 on my 1980 34.  Work fine.

Get Outlook for 
Android

From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 12:58:16 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: wolf...@erie.net 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location


I believe mine were located slightly to starboard due to easy access, not 
because there’s anything special about one side or the other.



Matt Wolford

C 42 Custom



From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 3:55 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location



Ditto on the Green. The further you get from centerline and keel, the more 
distorted your readings are likely to be.



Bill Coleman



On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 3:03 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

The depth sounder on my 42 Custom is approximately where your green marker is, 
which is what I believe Bill referred to.  As Bill noted, mine is to starboard. 
 Contrary to what Bill said, mine is located just forward of the solid glass.  
When I replaced my speed and depth transducers several years ago, I used the 
same location.  Water from the balsa core literally ran down my arm when I 
removed the old transducers and pushed on the soaking wet balsa core.  We dried 
out the entire area and created solid epoxy “plugs” larger than the old holes 
for redrilling the new transducer holes.  This was not a difficult job, but 
then again I have a “stick boat.”



A 1982 C 25 didn’t come with speed and depth transducers?



From: Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
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Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 2:37 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Juliano Franz mailto:jufr...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location



Hi all,
Sorry about ressurecting this topic. I only had time to go to the boat this 
past weekend. Bill, the boat is a C 25

Here is an "annotated" drawing from Sailboat data that I will use for my 
questions: 
https://imgur.com/a/3Ar35Pb

To me, there are three options (some easier than others) to cut the hull (2 
inches round) and add the transducer:

Red marker: At the moment, the original (I think?) depth sounder is located in 
the red marker *inside* the hull.

Yellow marker: There is a small access port to the fibreglass on the yellow 
marker that *could* fit the depth/speed transducer. It feels very high on the 
hull and a bit fragile as the fitting would stick out of the access port and be 
a bit exposed (second picture of the link)

Green marker: Last option, cut a square access *hatch* on the plastic liner 
wall (orange mark) that separates the "inside" of the boat from the fiberglass 
hull and then cut a hole on the green mark.

Any mindhive thoughts? I am very nervous about making a hole in the wrong place 
:)

Thanks!



On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 8:22 PM John Irvin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Agreed

Sent from my iPhone



On Feb 23, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



Not sure which model you are referring to, but most often they are just ahead 
of the keel, but off to one side several inches, usually SB, I think .  There 
should be a section adjacent to the centerline where it is solid Glass before 
it goes up onto the balsa.



Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie PA



On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 5:50 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi Folks,

I bit the bullet in this year's boat show and bought a wind/depth combo from 
Garmin. New electronics since 1982 on Spice.



Im having a bit of a hard time finding where to place the transducer (airmar 
depth, speed, temp). Manual says ahead of the keel but access on the 25 Mk II 
seems limited.



Anyone around here has any tips?



Cheers

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Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

I use the paddlewheel knotmeter to see trends in speed (faster or slower) as we 
adjust sails.  It’s more sensitive than GPS for that.

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 7:47 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Juliano Franz ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 

Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

 

FWIW,  Our boat has a speed sensor on centerline just in front of the keel.  
The depth sensor is next to it and I had to replace both when one went bad.  
Had to cut larger holes through the hull to fit the newer style sensor sleeves, 
so I can share some stories.  The "speed through the water" sensor is great for 
racing but when cruising, I simply use my cell phone, and Navionics and GPS 
speed.   Bought a $15 clamp for the pedestal guard to hold the phone at the 
pedestal and love it.  I keep the plug in the hull thru-hull 90% of the time, 
and only switch to the paddle wheel sensor, before racing.  Found I don't miss 
the paddle wheel sensor readout.  I monitor GPS instead.

 

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R Annapolis 

 

 

 

On 03/13/2023 2:37 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hi all, 
Sorry about ressurecting this topic. I only had time to go to the boat this 
past weekend. Bill, the boat is a C 25 

Here is an "annotated" drawing from Sailboat data that I will use for my 
questions: https://imgur.com/a/3Ar35Pb 

To me, there are three options (some easier than others) to cut the hull (2 
inches round) and add the transducer: 

Red marker: At the moment, the original (I think?) depth sounder is located in 
the red marker *inside* the hull. 

Yellow marker: There is a small access port to the fibreglass on the yellow 
marker that *could* fit the depth/speed transducer. It feels very high on the 
hull and a bit fragile as the fitting would stick out of the access port and be 
a bit exposed (second picture of the link) 

Green marker: Last option, cut a square access *hatch* on the plastic liner 
wall (orange mark) that separates the "inside" of the boat from the fiberglass 
hull and then cut a hole on the green mark. 

Any mindhive thoughts? I am very nervous about making a hole in the wrong place 
:) 

Thanks! 

 

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 8:22 PM John Irvin via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

Agreed 

Sent from my iPhone 





On Feb 23, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

Not sure which model you are referring to, but most often they are just ahead 
of the keel, but off to one side several inches, usually SB, I think .  There 
should be a section adjacent to the centerline where it is solid Glass before 
it goes up onto the balsa. 

 

Bill Coleman 

Entrada, Erie PA 

 

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 5:50 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

Hi Folks, 

I bit the bullet in this year's boat show and bought a wind/depth combo from 
Garmin. New electronics since 1982 on Spice.  

 

Im having a bit of a hard time finding where to place the transducer (airmar 
depth, speed, temp). Manual says ahead of the keel but access on the 25 Mk II 
seems limited. 

 

Anyone around here has any tips?  

 

Cheers  

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Stus-List Re: Cabin Ceiling Panels

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

You might like 1/4" thick PVC sheet, comes in 4' x 8' sheets for ceiling 
panels. 
Available from lumber yards or Home Depot.  One sheet is $70, but it can be cut 
and sanded and painted like wood, but no splinters, bends easier than plywood, 
never delaminates.  Waterproof, never rots and is light, fire resistant too.  
Comes in 3/8", 1/2", 3/4" for more money.  Builders use it for exterior trim, 
facia, etc.   It's softer than Starboard and is light like pine.  Great for 
overhead panels.  One of the guys at my boatyard cut it into planks, routed the 
edges, and screwed the planks into the overhead of his Peterson 34, planks 
running fore and aft, to hide all the nuts and wiring.  Really looks sharp.  I 
made companionway doors from 1/2" and they work great.

Chuck S



> On 03/13/2023 9:51 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> The panels on my 35-2 are white plexiglass, and it is very pretty, 
> especially with the multitude of screw holes around the perimeter of each. 
> Possibly the 36 has a better mounting method. I'd prefer something more 
> forgiving than plexi though, and might just investigate a nice spray finish 
> while you have them all off.
> 
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 1:19 PM John McCrea via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > Hello. I am in the process of pulling all my ceiling panels out so 
> > I can add new deck organizers, rope clutches and remove the four winches 
> > around the mast. My panels are a thin marine plywood/veneer covered with 
> > vinyl. I had painted them in place when I bought the boat and repainted the 
> > interior cabin sides and ceiling, after having to fix some issues with the 
> > cabin window frames etc. I am really tempted to replace and wanted to know 
> > if anyone had gone with a thin plexiglass? Thanks.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > John McCrea
> > 
> > Talisman
> > 
> > 1979 36-1
> > 
> > Mystic, CT
> > 
> > Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album 
> > site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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> > Stu
> > 
> > > Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album 
> > site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at:
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> Stu
> 
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[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

The panels on my 35-2 are white plexiglass, and it is very pretty,
especially with the multitude of screw holes around the perimeter of each.
Possibly the 36 has a better mounting method. I'd prefer something more
forgiving than plexi though, and might just investigate a nice spray finish
while you have them all off.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 1:19 PM John McCrea via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello. I am in the process of pulling all my ceiling panels out so I can
> add new deck organizers, rope clutches and remove the four winches around
> the mast. My panels are a thin marine plywood/veneer covered with vinyl. I
> had painted them in place when I bought the boat and repainted the interior
> cabin sides and ceiling, after having to fix some issues with the cabin
> window frames etc. I am really tempted to replace and wanted to know if
> anyone had gone with a thin plexiglass? Thanks.
>
>
>
> John McCrea
>
> Talisman
>
> 1979 36-1
>
> Mystic, CT
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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> Stu
>
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Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I have a 35-1 and did like Richard (your green option) for the
knotlog transducer.  I wanted it forward in undisturbed flow.

It's mounted under the V-berth step. Note the white circular inspection
port under the shoes in this pic:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GJOYJbxEJFjpl1pbNTzDubTESYywKFbM/view?usp=share_link

It's fairly easy to access through the inspection port.  Also in there is
the thruhull and valve for my air conditioner.
--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 1:53 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Juliano; I had a 25, and I did exactly what you outline as the "green
> marker" option; we cut the bulkhead under the v-birth and put a teak
> cabinet frame and door there, (bought a prefab one from Defender Marine,
> but they are available in most any marine supplier now days) and installed
> the depth, (and speed) gauges in the hull; access was easy and we gained
> more storage space...:
>
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
>
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
>
>
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Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

FWIW,  Our boat has a speed sensor on centerline just in front of the keel.  
The depth sensor is next to it and I had to replace both when one went bad.  
Had to cut larger holes through the hull to fit the newer style sensor sleeves, 
so I can share some stories.  The "speed through the water" sensor is great for 
racing but when cruising, I simply use my cell phone, and Navionics and GPS 
speed.   Bought a $15 clamp for the pedestal guard to hold the phone at the 
pedestal and love it.  I keep the plug in the hull thru-hull 90% of the time, 
and only switch to the paddle wheel sensor, before racing.  Found I don't miss 
the paddle wheel sensor readout.  I monitor GPS instead.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R Annapolis




> On 03/13/2023 2:37 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> Sorry about ressurecting this topic. I only had time to go to the boat 
> this past weekend. Bill, the boat is a C 25
> 
> Here is an "annotated" drawing from Sailboat data that I will use for my 
> questions: https://imgur.com/a/3Ar35Pb
> 
> To me, there are three options (some easier than others) to cut the hull 
> (2 inches round) and add the transducer:
> 
> Red marker: At the moment, the original (I think?) depth sounder is 
> located in the red marker *inside* the hull.
> 
> Yellow marker: There is a small access port to the fibreglass on the 
> yellow marker that *could* fit the depth/speed transducer. It feels very high 
> on the hull and a bit fragile as the fitting would stick out of the access 
> port and be a bit exposed (second picture of the link)
> 
> Green marker: Last option, cut a square access *hatch* on the plastic 
> liner wall (orange mark) that separates the "inside" of the boat from the 
> fiberglass hull and then cut a hole on the green mark.
> 
> Any mindhive thoughts? I am very nervous about making a hole in the wrong 
> place :)
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 8:22 PM John Irvin via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> > > Agreed
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > 
> > > > > On Feb 23, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Not sure which model you are referring to, 
> > but most often they are just ahead of the keel, but off to one side several 
> > inches, usually SB, I think .  There should be a section adjacent to the 
> > centerline where it is solid Glass before it goes up onto the balsa.
> > > 
> > > Bill Coleman
> > > Entrada, Erie PA
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 5:50 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
> > > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > > > Hi Folks,
> > > > I bit the bullet in this year's boat show and bought a 
> > > > wind/depth combo from Garmin. New electronics since 1982 on Spice. 
> > > > 
> > > > Im having a bit of a hard time finding where to place 
> > > > the transducer (airmar depth, speed, temp). Manual says ahead of the 
> > > > keel but access on the 25 Mk II seems limited.
> > > > 
> > > > Anyone around here has any tips? 
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers 
> > > > Please show your appreciation for this list and the 
> > > > Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a 
> > > > contribution at:
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> > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > Stu
> > > > 
> > > > > > > Please show your appreciation for this 
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> > > 
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Stus-List Re: Cabin Ceiling Panels

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

To Piggyback on Alan's Home Depot, I see they have some nice vinyl white
Wainscot, you could probably attach it with a lot of self Adhesive velcro.
My cabin ceiling is made up of something like that and it looks great
overhead, and next to varnished wood.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/HOUSE-OF-FARA-W96WP-12-sq-ft-White-Vinyl-Reversible-Interior-Exterior-Paneling-3-Piece-Per-Pack-W96WP/205437105


Bill Coleman

On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 4:48 PM John McCrea via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Great idea, Thanks.
>
>
>
> *From:* ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2023 4:27 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* ALAN BERGEN 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Cabin Ceiling Panels
>
>
>
> I replaced mine with fiber reinforced plastic (FRP) which you can get at
> Home Depot.
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 1:18 PM John McCrea via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello. I am in the process of pulling all my ceiling panels out so I can
> add new deck organizers, rope clutches and remove the four winches around
> the mast. My panels are a thin marine plywood/veneer covered with vinyl. I
> had painted them in place when I bought the boat and repainted the interior
> cabin sides and ceiling, after having to fix some issues with the cabin
> window frames etc. I am really tempted to replace and wanted to know if
> anyone had gone with a thin plexiglass? Thanks.
>
>
>
> John McCrea
>
> Talisman
>
> 1979 36-1
>
> Mystic, CT
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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> Thanks for your help.
> Stu
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
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Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

[Juliano Franz via CnC-List]

I already have the transducer. It is a depth + speed combo, so it needs to
be on the water. It is part of a wind, depth, speed, temp kit from Garmin.

On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 6:35 PM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Consider an "in hull"  transducer.  No hole needed.  Mount anyplace with
> solid hull.  I have 2 on my 1980 34.  Work fine.
>
> Get Outlook for Android 
> --
> *From:* Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2023 12:58:16 PM
> *To:* 'Stus-List' 
> *Cc:* wolf...@erie.net 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location
>
>
> I believe mine were located slightly to starboard due to easy access, not
> because there’s anything special about one side or the other.
>
>
>
> Matt Wolford
>
> C 42 Custom
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2023 3:55 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Bill Coleman 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location
>
>
>
> Ditto on the Green. The further you get from centerline and keel, the more
> distorted your readings are likely to be.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 3:03 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> The depth sounder on my 42 Custom is approximately where your green marker
> is, which is what I believe Bill referred to.  As Bill noted, mine is to
> starboard.  Contrary to what Bill said, mine is located just forward of the
> solid glass.  When I replaced my speed and depth transducers several years
> ago, I used the same location.  Water from the balsa core literally ran
> down my arm when I removed the old transducers and pushed on the soaking
> wet balsa core.  We dried out the entire area and created solid epoxy
> “plugs” larger than the old holes for redrilling the new transducer holes.
> This was not a difficult job, but then again I have a “stick boat.”
>
>
>
> A 1982 C 25 didn’t come with speed and depth transducers?
>
>
>
> *From:* Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2023 2:37 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Juliano Franz 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location
>
>
>
> Hi all,
> Sorry about ressurecting this topic. I only had time to go to the boat
> this past weekend. Bill, the boat is a C 25
>
> Here is an "annotated" drawing from Sailboat data that I will use for my
> questions: https://imgur.com/a/3Ar35Pb
> 
>
> To me, there are three options (some easier than others) to cut the hull
> (2 inches round) and add the transducer:
>
> Red marker: At the moment, the original (I think?) depth sounder is
> located in the red marker *inside* the hull.
>
> Yellow marker: There is a small access port to the fibreglass on the
> yellow marker that *could* fit the depth/speed transducer. It feels very
> high on the hull and a bit fragile as the fitting would stick out of the
> access port and be a bit exposed (second picture of the link)
>
> Green marker: Last option, cut a square access *hatch* on the plastic
> liner wall (orange mark) that separates the "inside" of the boat from the
> fiberglass hull and then cut a hole on the green mark.
>
> Any mindhive thoughts? I am very nervous about making a hole in the wrong
> place :)
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 8:22 PM John Irvin via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Agreed
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Not sure which model you are referring to, but most often they are just
> ahead of the keel, but off to one side several inches, usually SB, I think
> .  There should be a section adjacent to the centerline where it is solid
> Glass before it goes up onto the balsa.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Entrada, Erie PA
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 5:50 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I bit the bullet in this year's boat show and bought a wind/depth combo
> from Garmin. New electronics since 1982 on Spice.
>
>
>
> Im having a bit of a hard time finding where to place the transducer
> (airmar depth, speed, temp). Manual says ahead of the keel but access on
> the 25 Mk II seems limited.
>
>
>
> Anyone around here has any tips?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Consider an "in hull"  transducer.  No hole needed.  Mount anyplace with solid 
hull.  I have 2 on my 1980 34.  Work fine.

Get Outlook for Android

From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 12:58:16 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: wolf...@erie.net 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location


I believe mine were located slightly to starboard due to easy access, not 
because there’s anything special about one side or the other.



Matt Wolford

C 42 Custom



From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 3:55 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location



Ditto on the Green. The further you get from centerline and keel, the more 
distorted your readings are likely to be.



Bill Coleman



On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 3:03 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

The depth sounder on my 42 Custom is approximately where your green marker is, 
which is what I believe Bill referred to.  As Bill noted, mine is to starboard. 
 Contrary to what Bill said, mine is located just forward of the solid glass.  
When I replaced my speed and depth transducers several years ago, I used the 
same location.  Water from the balsa core literally ran down my arm when I 
removed the old transducers and pushed on the soaking wet balsa core.  We dried 
out the entire area and created solid epoxy “plugs” larger than the old holes 
for redrilling the new transducer holes.  This was not a difficult job, but 
then again I have a “stick boat.”



A 1982 C 25 didn’t come with speed and depth transducers?



From: Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 2:37 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Juliano Franz mailto:jufr...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location



Hi all,
Sorry about ressurecting this topic. I only had time to go to the boat this 
past weekend. Bill, the boat is a C 25

Here is an "annotated" drawing from Sailboat data that I will use for my 
questions: 
https://imgur.com/a/3Ar35Pb

To me, there are three options (some easier than others) to cut the hull (2 
inches round) and add the transducer:

Red marker: At the moment, the original (I think?) depth sounder is located in 
the red marker *inside* the hull.

Yellow marker: There is a small access port to the fibreglass on the yellow 
marker that *could* fit the depth/speed transducer. It feels very high on the 
hull and a bit fragile as the fitting would stick out of the access port and be 
a bit exposed (second picture of the link)

Green marker: Last option, cut a square access *hatch* on the plastic liner 
wall (orange mark) that separates the "inside" of the boat from the fiberglass 
hull and then cut a hole on the green mark.

Any mindhive thoughts? I am very nervous about making a hole in the wrong place 
:)

Thanks!



On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 8:22 PM John Irvin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Agreed

Sent from my iPhone



On Feb 23, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



Not sure which model you are referring to, but most often they are just ahead 
of the keel, but off to one side several inches, usually SB, I think .  There 
should be a section adjacent to the centerline where it is solid Glass before 
it goes up onto the balsa.



Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie PA



On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 5:50 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi Folks,

I bit the bullet in this year's boat show and bought a wind/depth combo from 
Garmin. New electronics since 1982 on Spice.



Im having a bit of a hard time finding where to place the transducer (airmar 
depth, speed, temp). Manual says ahead of the keel but access on the 25 Mk II 
seems limited.



Anyone around here has any tips?



Cheers

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[Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List]

I replaced my ceiling panels with a nice veneered plywood, and varnished.
Made the cabin look great.

Doug Mountjoy
C Landfall 39 1988
Sabre 34 1983


On Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 14:18 John McCrea via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hello. I am in the process of pulling all my ceiling panels out so I can
> add new deck organizers, rope clutches and remove the four winches around
> the mast. My panels are a thin marine plywood/veneer covered with vinyl. I
> had painted them in place when I bought the boat and repainted the interior
> cabin sides and ceiling, after having to fix some issues with the cabin
> window frames etc. I am really tempted to replace and wanted to know if
> anyone had gone with a thin plexiglass? Thanks.
>
>
>
> John McCrea
>
> Talisman
>
> 1979 36-1
>
> Mystic, CT
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[John McCrea via CnC-List]

Great idea, Thanks.

 

From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 4:27 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Cabin Ceiling Panels

 

I replaced mine with fiber reinforced plastic (FRP) which you can get at Home 
Depot.

 

Alan

 

 

On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 1:18 PM John McCrea via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hello. I am in the process of pulling all my ceiling panels out so I can add 
new deck organizers, rope clutches and remove the four winches around the mast. 
My panels are a thin marine plywood/veneer covered with vinyl. I had painted 
them in place when I bought the boat and repainted the interior cabin sides and 
ceiling, after having to fix some issues with the cabin window frames etc. I am 
really tempted to replace and wanted to know if anyone had gone with a thin 
plexiglass? Thanks. 

 

John McCrea

Talisman

1979 36-1

Mystic, CT

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[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I replaced mine with fiber reinforced plastic (FRP) which you can get at
Home Depot.

Alan


On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 1:18 PM John McCrea via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello. I am in the process of pulling all my ceiling panels out so I can
> add new deck organizers, rope clutches and remove the four winches around
> the mast. My panels are a thin marine plywood/veneer covered with vinyl. I
> had painted them in place when I bought the boat and repainted the interior
> cabin sides and ceiling, after having to fix some issues with the cabin
> window frames etc. I am really tempted to replace and wanted to know if
> anyone had gone with a thin plexiglass? Thanks.
>
>
>
> John McCrea
>
> Talisman
>
> 1979 36-1
>
> Mystic, CT
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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> Thanks for your help.
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>
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Stus-List Cabin Ceiling Panels

[John McCrea via CnC-List]

Hello. I am in the process of pulling all my ceiling panels out so I can add
new deck organizers, rope clutches and remove the four winches around the
mast. My panels are a thin marine plywood/veneer covered with vinyl. I had
painted them in place when I bought the boat and repainted the interior
cabin sides and ceiling, after having to fix some issues with the cabin
window frames etc. I am really tempted to replace and wanted to know if
anyone had gone with a thin plexiglass? Thanks. 

 

John McCrea

Talisman

1979 36-1

Mystic, CT

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Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

I believe mine were located slightly to starboard due to easy access, not 
because there’s anything special about one side or the other.

 

Matt Wolford

C 42 Custom

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 3:55 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

 

Ditto on the Green. The further you get from centerline and keel, the more 
distorted your readings are likely to be.

 

Bill Coleman

 

On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 3:03 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

The depth sounder on my 42 Custom is approximately where your green marker is, 
which is what I believe Bill referred to.  As Bill noted, mine is to starboard. 
 Contrary to what Bill said, mine is located just forward of the solid glass.  
When I replaced my speed and depth transducers several years ago, I used the 
same location.  Water from the balsa core literally ran down my arm when I 
removed the old transducers and pushed on the soaking wet balsa core.  We dried 
out the entire area and created solid epoxy “plugs” larger than the old holes 
for redrilling the new transducer holes.  This was not a difficult job, but 
then again I have a “stick boat.”

 

A 1982 C 25 didn’t come with speed and depth transducers?   

 

From: Juliano Franz via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 2:37 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Juliano Franz mailto:jufr...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

 

Hi all,
Sorry about ressurecting this topic. I only had time to go to the boat this 
past weekend. Bill, the boat is a C 25 

Here is an "annotated" drawing from Sailboat data that I will use for my 
questions: https://imgur.com/a/3Ar35Pb 

To me, there are three options (some easier than others) to cut the hull (2 
inches round) and add the transducer:

Red marker: At the moment, the original (I think?) depth sounder is located in 
the red marker *inside* the hull.

Yellow marker: There is a small access port to the fibreglass on the yellow 
marker that *could* fit the depth/speed transducer. It feels very high on the 
hull and a bit fragile as the fitting would stick out of the access port and be 
a bit exposed (second picture of the link)

Green marker: Last option, cut a square access *hatch* on the plastic liner 
wall (orange mark) that separates the "inside" of the boat from the fiberglass 
hull and then cut a hole on the green mark.

Any mindhive thoughts? I am very nervous about making a hole in the wrong place 
:)

Thanks!

 

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 8:22 PM John Irvin via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Agreed

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Feb 23, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Not sure which model you are referring to, but most often they are just ahead 
of the keel, but off to one side several inches, usually SB, I think .  There 
should be a section adjacent to the centerline where it is solid Glass before 
it goes up onto the balsa.

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie PA

 

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 5:50 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hi Folks, 

I bit the bullet in this year's boat show and bought a wind/depth combo from 
Garmin. New electronics since 1982 on Spice. 

 

Im having a bit of a hard time finding where to place the transducer (airmar 
depth, speed, temp). Manual says ahead of the keel but access on the 25 Mk II 
seems limited.

 

Anyone around here has any tips? 

 

Cheers 

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Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Ditto on the Green. The further you get from centerline and keel, the more
distorted your readings are likely to be.

Bill Coleman

On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 3:03 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The depth sounder on my 42 Custom is approximately where your green marker
> is, which is what I believe Bill referred to.  As Bill noted, mine is to
> starboard.  Contrary to what Bill said, mine is located just forward of the
> solid glass.  When I replaced my speed and depth transducers several years
> ago, I used the same location.  Water from the balsa core literally ran
> down my arm when I removed the old transducers and pushed on the soaking
> wet balsa core.  We dried out the entire area and created solid epoxy
> “plugs” larger than the old holes for redrilling the new transducer holes.
> This was not a difficult job, but then again I have a “stick boat.”
>
>
>
> A 1982 C 25 didn’t come with speed and depth transducers?
>
>
>
> *From:* Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2023 2:37 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Juliano Franz 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location
>
>
>
> Hi all,
> Sorry about ressurecting this topic. I only had time to go to the boat
> this past weekend. Bill, the boat is a C 25
>
> Here is an "annotated" drawing from Sailboat data that I will use for my
> questions: https://imgur.com/a/3Ar35Pb
>
> To me, there are three options (some easier than others) to cut the hull
> (2 inches round) and add the transducer:
>
> Red marker: At the moment, the original (I think?) depth sounder is
> located in the red marker *inside* the hull.
>
> Yellow marker: There is a small access port to the fibreglass on the
> yellow marker that *could* fit the depth/speed transducer. It feels very
> high on the hull and a bit fragile as the fitting would stick out of the
> access port and be a bit exposed (second picture of the link)
>
> Green marker: Last option, cut a square access *hatch* on the plastic
> liner wall (orange mark) that separates the "inside" of the boat from the
> fiberglass hull and then cut a hole on the green mark.
>
> Any mindhive thoughts? I am very nervous about making a hole in the wrong
> place :)
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 8:22 PM John Irvin via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Agreed
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Not sure which model you are referring to, but most often they are just
> ahead of the keel, but off to one side several inches, usually SB, I think
> .  There should be a section adjacent to the centerline where it is solid
> Glass before it goes up onto the balsa.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Entrada, Erie PA
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 5:50 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I bit the bullet in this year's boat show and bought a wind/depth combo
> from Garmin. New electronics since 1982 on Spice.
>
>
>
> Im having a bit of a hard time finding where to place the transducer
> (airmar depth, speed, temp). Manual says ahead of the keel but access on
> the 25 Mk II seems limited.
>
>
>
> Anyone around here has any tips?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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> 
> Thanks for your help.
> Stu
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
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Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Juliano, I need to correct one thing, I said "gauge" when I meant the 
transducers...hope I did confuse you, thanks!
 
Richard
s/v/ Bushmark4, 1984 C 37, CB, Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Juliano Franz 
Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2023 3:19 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

Thanks, Richard! I guess it is time to start cutting. I like the idea of a 
prefab frame; hopefully I can find one locally.
@Wolford, the 25 has an in-hull transducer that doesn't work anymore; the depth 
readings were also displayed inside on the forward bulkhead for whatever 
reason At least there is not core on the hull =]

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Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

[Juliano Franz via CnC-List]

Thanks, Richard! I guess it is time to start cutting. I like the idea of a
prefab frame; hopefully I can find one locally.

@Wolford, the 25 has an in-hull transducer that doesn't work anymore; the
depth readings were also displayed inside on the forward bulkhead for
whatever reason At least there is not core on the hull =]

On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 4:03 PM  wrote:

> The depth sounder on my 42 Custom is approximately where your green marker
> is, which is what I believe Bill referred to.  As Bill noted, mine is to
> starboard.  Contrary to what Bill said, mine is located just forward of the
> solid glass.  When I replaced my speed and depth transducers several years
> ago, I used the same location.  Water from the balsa core literally ran
> down my arm when I removed the old transducers and pushed on the soaking
> wet balsa core.  We dried out the entire area and created solid epoxy
> “plugs” larger than the old holes for redrilling the new transducer holes.
> This was not a difficult job, but then again I have a “stick boat.”
>
>
>
> A 1982 C 25 didn’t come with speed and depth transducers?
>
>
>
> *From:* Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2023 2:37 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Juliano Franz 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location
>
>
>
> Hi all,
> Sorry about ressurecting this topic. I only had time to go to the boat
> this past weekend. Bill, the boat is a C 25
>
> Here is an "annotated" drawing from Sailboat data that I will use for my
> questions: https://imgur.com/a/3Ar35Pb
>
> To me, there are three options (some easier than others) to cut the hull
> (2 inches round) and add the transducer:
>
> Red marker: At the moment, the original (I think?) depth sounder is
> located in the red marker *inside* the hull.
>
> Yellow marker: There is a small access port to the fibreglass on the
> yellow marker that *could* fit the depth/speed transducer. It feels very
> high on the hull and a bit fragile as the fitting would stick out of the
> access port and be a bit exposed (second picture of the link)
>
> Green marker: Last option, cut a square access *hatch* on the plastic
> liner wall (orange mark) that separates the "inside" of the boat from the
> fiberglass hull and then cut a hole on the green mark.
>
> Any mindhive thoughts? I am very nervous about making a hole in the wrong
> place :)
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 8:22 PM John Irvin via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Agreed
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Not sure which model you are referring to, but most often they are just
> ahead of the keel, but off to one side several inches, usually SB, I think
> .  There should be a section adjacent to the centerline where it is solid
> Glass before it goes up onto the balsa.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Entrada, Erie PA
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 5:50 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I bit the bullet in this year's boat show and bought a wind/depth combo
> from Garmin. New electronics since 1982 on Spice.
>
>
>
> Im having a bit of a hard time finding where to place the transducer
> (airmar depth, speed, temp). Manual says ahead of the keel but access on
> the 25 Mk II seems limited.
>
>
>
> Anyone around here has any tips?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> Stu
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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> Thanks for your help.
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>
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>
>
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[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

The depth sounder on my 42 Custom is approximately where your green marker is, 
which is what I believe Bill referred to.  As Bill noted, mine is to starboard. 
 Contrary to what Bill said, mine is located just forward of the solid glass.  
When I replaced my speed and depth transducers several years ago, I used the 
same location.  Water from the balsa core literally ran down my arm when I 
removed the old transducers and pushed on the soaking wet balsa core.  We dried 
out the entire area and created solid epoxy “plugs” larger than the old holes 
for redrilling the new transducer holes.  This was not a difficult job, but 
then again I have a “stick boat.”

 

A 1982 C 25 didn’t come with speed and depth transducers?   

 

From: Juliano Franz via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 2:37 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Juliano Franz 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

 

Hi all,
Sorry about ressurecting this topic. I only had time to go to the boat this 
past weekend. Bill, the boat is a C 25 

Here is an "annotated" drawing from Sailboat data that I will use for my 
questions: https://imgur.com/a/3Ar35Pb 

To me, there are three options (some easier than others) to cut the hull (2 
inches round) and add the transducer:

Red marker: At the moment, the original (I think?) depth sounder is located in 
the red marker *inside* the hull.

Yellow marker: There is a small access port to the fibreglass on the yellow 
marker that *could* fit the depth/speed transducer. It feels very high on the 
hull and a bit fragile as the fitting would stick out of the access port and be 
a bit exposed (second picture of the link)

Green marker: Last option, cut a square access *hatch* on the plastic liner 
wall (orange mark) that separates the "inside" of the boat from the fiberglass 
hull and then cut a hole on the green mark.

Any mindhive thoughts? I am very nervous about making a hole in the wrong place 
:)

Thanks!

 

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 8:22 PM John Irvin via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Agreed

Sent from my iPhone





On Feb 23, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Not sure which model you are referring to, but most often they are just ahead 
of the keel, but off to one side several inches, usually SB, I think .  There 
should be a section adjacent to the centerline where it is solid Glass before 
it goes up onto the balsa.

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie PA

 

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 5:50 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hi Folks, 

I bit the bullet in this year's boat show and bought a wind/depth combo from 
Garmin. New electronics since 1982 on Spice. 

 

Im having a bit of a hard time finding where to place the transducer (airmar 
depth, speed, temp). Manual says ahead of the keel but access on the 25 Mk II 
seems limited.

 

Anyone around here has any tips? 

 

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Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Juliano; I had a 25, and I did exactly what you outline as the "green marker" 
option; we cut the bulkhead under the v-birth and put a teak cabinet frame and 
door there, (bought a prefab one from Defender Marine, but they are available 
in most any marine supplier now days) and installed the depth, (and speed) 
gauges in the hull; access was easy and we gained more storage space...: 
 
Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Juliano Franz via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Juliano Franz 
Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2023 2:37 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

Hi all,
Sorry about ressurecting this topic. I only had time to go to the boat this 
past weekend. Bill, the boat is a C 25 

Here is an "annotated" drawing from Sailboat data that I will use for my 
questions: https://imgur.com/a/3Ar35Pb 

To me, there are three options (some easier than others) to cut the hull (2 
inches round) and add the transducer:

Red marker: At the moment, the original (I think?) depth sounder is located in 
the red marker *inside* the hull.

Yellow marker: There is a small access port to the fibreglass on the yellow 
marker that *could* fit the depth/speed transducer. It feels very high on the 
hull and a bit fragile as the fitting would stick out of the access port and be 
a bit exposed (second picture of the link)

Green marker: Last option, cut a square access *hatch* on the plastic liner 
wall (orange mark)that separates the "inside" of the boat from the fiberglass 
hull and then cut a hole on the green mark.

Any mindhive thoughts? I am very nervous about making a hole in the wrong place 
:)

Thanks!
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Stus-List Re: C 25 depth sounder location

[Juliano Franz via CnC-List]

Hi all,
Sorry about ressurecting this topic. I only had time to go to the boat this
past weekend. Bill, the boat is a C 25

Here is an "annotated" drawing from Sailboat data that I will use for my
questions: https://imgur.com/a/3Ar35Pb

To me, there are three options (some easier than others) to cut the hull (2
inches round) and add the transducer:

Red marker: At the moment, the original (I think?) depth sounder is located
in the red marker *inside* the hull.

Yellow marker: There is a small access port to the fibreglass on the yellow
marker that *could* fit the depth/speed transducer. It feels very high on
the hull and a bit fragile as the fitting would stick out of the access
port and be a bit exposed (second picture of the link)

Green marker: Last option, cut a square access *hatch* on the plastic liner
wall (orange mark) that separates the "inside" of the boat from the
fiberglass hull and then cut a hole on the green mark.

Any mindhive thoughts? I am very nervous about making a hole in the wrong
place :)

Thanks!

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 8:22 PM John Irvin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Agreed
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 23, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Not sure which model you are referring to, but most often they are just
> ahead of the keel, but off to one side several inches, usually SB, I think
> .  There should be a section adjacent to the centerline where it is solid
> Glass before it goes up onto the balsa.
>
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada, Erie PA
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 5:50 PM Juliano Franz via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>> I bit the bullet in this year's boat show and bought a wind/depth combo
>> from Garmin. New electronics since 1982 on Spice.
>>
>> Im having a bit of a hard time finding where to place the transducer
>> (airmar depth, speed, temp). Manual says ahead of the keel but access on
>> the 25 Mk II seems limited.
>>
>> Anyone around here has any tips?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
>> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> 
>> Thanks for your help.
>> Stu
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> Thanks for your help.
> Stu
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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Stus-List Re: Chandleries

[Doug via CnC-List]

During my search for bottom paint last summer. I found that west marine was the 
cheapest. Sometimes by more than $100/gal. They offer free shipping to a local 
store, where you go pick it up. I use their price matching to save money on 
other items that are way over priced. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C 
Landfall 39Port Orchard Yacht club
 Original message From: Don Kern via CnC-List 
 Date: 3/12/23  14:50  (GMT-06:00) To: Novabraid via 
CnC-List  Cc: Don Kern  Subject: 
Stus-List Re: Chandleries 
For the last 20 years, every March, about four of us locals, use to
make an annual pilgrimage to Defender and if needed would do a 5
min. run to Jamestown Dist. With cut backs at Defender and the
closing of Jamestown's walk in store, those days are gone.

Chuck, I have found Hamilton's prices for bottom paint are quite
good.  Below I have attached my vendor list which is mostly slanted
to the NE:

Don Kern
C Mk2, Fireball
Bristol, RI

General 
Defender   https://defender.com/en_us/
Fisheries Supply   https://www.fisheriessupply.com/
Hamilton Marine  https://hamiltonmarine.com/
Hodges Marine   https://www.hodgesmarine.com
Jamestown Distributors   https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/home
West Marine   https://www.westmarine.com/
Wholesale Marine   https://www.wholesalemarine.com/
Electronics /Electrical
Garmin   https://www.garmin.com/en-US/
Greg’s Marine Wire Supply   https://gregsmarinewiresupply.com/
  
Hodges Marine   https://www.hodgesmarine.com
  
Raymarine   https://www.raymarine.com/en-us
  
The GPS Store   thegpsstore.com


 Navigation Software
            Maptech  
  https://www.richardsonscharts.com/
            The GPS Store   thegpsstore.com
              USCG/NOAA Charts   
https://www.charts.noaa.gov/InteractiveCatalog/nrnc.shtml
Paint
Bottom Paint Store  
bottompaintstore.com
Interlux   https://www.interlux.com/en/us/
Rigging
Garhauer Marine   https://www.garhauermarine.com/
Harken   https://www.harken.com/en/home/
Newport Rigging Group   https://www.newportrigginggroup.com/
New England Ropes  
https://www.neropes.com/ClubLevelRacing.aspx
Rig-Rite
  Inc.   https://www.rigrite.com/
Samson   https://www.samsonrope.com/index.cfm?page=1=1
Schaeher Hardware   http://schaeferhardware.com/

Other
Atkins & Hoyle Ltd (hatches)   https://www.atkinshoyle.com/
Edson Marine   https://edsonmarine.com/shop/sailboat-steering/pedestals/ 
Moyer Marine (Atomic 4)   https://moyermarine.com/
South Shore Yachts (C parts)   https://southshoreyachts.com/
   
         The Zinc Guy   https://www.boatzincs.com/index.html


  
  On 3/12/2023 1:51 PM, Novabraid via CnC-List wrote:


  
  
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Having been a supplier to many marine
  chandleries over the past 20+ years while working for Edson
  and now Novabraid, there’s definitely been some decline in
  quality retail access in the past 24 months.  Surprisingly
  many of these issues came in the wake of a huge surge in
  retail boat and accessory sales during and just after the
  height of the pandemic and may boat supply businesses had
  record sales during this period, despite some of the supply
  chain challenges that occurred.   Perhaps those business
  owners are taking their profits to the bank and streamlining
  their sales channels to avoid bankruptcy if a recession
  occurs.   Obviously, prices are rising as a function of
  inflation and transportation costs and many retail business
  struggle to find qualified employees.  West Marine was
  renowned for hiring retirees who would work part time to get
  the employee discount but I think most of those folks have
  weighed anchor and retired for good.  My nephew has been an
  assistant manager at a West Marine for several years and
  they’ve been forced to scale back to a 5 day work week as they
  only had two employees for the entire store, a manager 

Stus-List Re: Chandleries

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Chuck, I wanted to thank you for the insight on the chandleries...it is so 
helpful to have the "inside" view of these places; due to my location I rely on 
internet for almost all purchases and I have no way to compare one from 
another, except for my own purchases.  I would love to be able to go to one of 
the retail outlets! Thanks for sharing! 
 
Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37, Ohio River, mile 596 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Novabraid via CnC-List 
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net
Sent: Sun, Mar 12, 2023 1:51 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: Chandleries

Having been a supplier to many marine 
chandleries over the past 20+ years while working for Edson and now Novabraid, 
there’s definitely been some decline in quality retail access in the past 24 
months.  Surprisingly many of these issues came in the wake of a huge surge in 
retail boat and accessory sales during and just after the height of the 
pandemic and may boat supply businesses had record sales during this period, 
despite some of the supply chain challenges that occurred.   Perhaps those 
business owners are taking their profits to the bank and streamlining their 
sales channels to avoid bankruptcy if a recession occurs.   Obviously, prices 
are rising as a function of inflation and transportation costs and many retail 
business struggle to find qualified employees.  West Marine was renowned for 
hiring retirees who would work part time to get the employee discount but I 
think most of those folks have weighed anchor and retired for good.  My nephew 
has been an assistant manager at a West Marine for several years and they’ve 
been forced to scale back to a 5 day work week as they only had two employees 
for the entire store, a manager and an assistant.Defender, unfortunately is 
going through a rather difficult transition under new ownership and most of my 
sailing friends are struggling with their new website.  They’re currently 
remodeling the retail outlet, downsizing display areas and relying far more on 
their phone customer service team to help with product applications rather than 
their in store counter help.  I’ve been told it will be up to speed in a few 
weeks, but this is the start of boat prep season in New England and the 
Northeast so they could not have picked a worse time to shut down the retail 
store.One outlet that folks haven’t mentioned is Hamilton Marine up in Maine.  
They’ve got a pretty comprehensive product selection and pricing is typically a 
bit less than you’ll find at West Marine.  5 store locations as well.  Not a 
super discount place, but their staff is pretty seasoned without much turnover. 
 You probably won’t find the latest and greatest new Harken carbon fiber maxi 
yacht winches there, but for hardware, bottom paint, and mooring chain, they do 
just fine.And there’s always the local “head of the harbor” marine store at the 
hometown boatyard.  Yes, you’ll pay more for that bottom paint, but giving them 
some business on the retail side means they’re more likely to have the water 
pump impeller you need when your boat starts overheating the day before you 
leave on your summer cruise.Have a great season, y’all,Chuck GilchrestS/V Half 
Magic1983 Landfall 35Padanaram, MA 
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