Stus-List Re: Sail costs

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Anywhere from $850 to $2500 for a cruising (inshore) Dacron furling 135% genoa 
for my Catalina 270 (summer 2022).

You have to shop around (get quotes) and insist on comparing oranges to oranges.

I had very good experience with a small sail loft round Buffalo and with an 
offshore company; both in the lower range of prices. Some larger companies 
offered to send a rep to the boat, but this added a substantial premium and did 
not seem to offer too much benefit.

Marek

1994 C270 ”Legato”
Ottawa, ON



From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 9:55 AM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Sail costs

Sail costs:  A new light air genoa was quoted at $5200 for my 36 footer, so I 
decided instead to have repairs made to my old sails.   They repaired my #2 for 
$700.  They will alter my #3 for a little more.  They are removing horizontal 
battens and installing vertical battens, and adding UV, so it can be furled.  
I've chosen to use Chesapeake Sailmakers because they are service oriented, 
came out and measured my rig before I spent any money, and they took time to 
evaluate my sails and offer options.

Wonder what others are paying for new sails and/or repairs.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Annapolis
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Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Caliber’s are Island Packet knock-offs

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:48:14 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

Looked at a Caliber 40 LRC?

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Looked at a Caliber 40 LRC?

-- 
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Stus-List Re: Who's following Ocean Race?

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

As you probably know, a drone has cameras/sensors that look to avoid obstacles. 
 When the drone returns to the boat, it gets very wary of approaching the sail, 
the rig, etc, so it's hard to catch.  The drone being used on Malizia has a 
handle hanging down and they do show the operator on the transom flying the 
drone toward him, or toward the controller, and he grabs it from underneath, 
turns it upside down, which stops the rotors and he hands it to a crewman.

Watch the video again.

C



> n 03/18/2023 6:07 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I wish they had shown the catch...
> 
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera 
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
> 
> 
> 
> > > On Mar 18, 2023, at 2:22 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > That is freaking incredible.  My resistance to purchasing 
> a drone is waning.
> > 
> > Bill Coleman
> > Erie PA
> > 
> > On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 3:05 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > 
> > > > > Hi,
> > > I've been following the IMOCA foilers every day. The coverage 
> > > has been spectaculare because each boat has a photo/journalist aboard to 
> > > cover the experience in video.  My favorite is Malizia with Boris 
> > > Herrmann.  The recent drone footage has been amazing of cruising at 25 to 
> > > 29knots boatspeed, nobody touching a sheet. 
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SZgT-FwyU0
> > > 
> > > I also follow the GGR race, where the sailors are sailing 
> > > solo around the world, in older 35 footers without GPS or any computers.  
> > > A woman named Kirsten is leading as they have rounded the Horn and 
> > > approach the equator headed back to the finish in France.
> > > 
> > > Chuck S
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > > > > On 03/18/2023 2:04 PM Dennis C. 
> > > via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > After racing for 20+ days, the 4 boats are within 20 nm 
> > > > of each other.
> > > > 
> > > > https://www.theoceanrace.com/en/racing/tracker
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Dennis C.
> > > > Touche' 35-1 #83
> > > > Mandeville, LA
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> > > > contribution at:
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> > > > 
> > > > > > > Please show your appreciation for this 
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Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Kevin Wright via CnC-List]

Hi Shawn,
I had an Olson 30 I raced on lake Ontario, the Landfall is not that. It
sails well for being a 43' cruising boat (modified fin, short rig). To
be honest, I don't pay too much attention to how fast we're going and how
much wind there is. When there's wind we sail, when we drop below 2 knots
we fire up the engine and get to where we want to be. All that being said,
it's a great boat. Maybe someone else can chime in here with better info.

As for deck storage it has the 2 aft deck lockers, one is for a 20lb
propane tank (Fits snug) the starboard side is more than twice as big, we
store a second tank and flippers and masks etc. There's a line locker on
the port side next to the cockpit, we keep all our dock lines and a 10L
jerry can and has room for 2 small bags of garbage. The boat has no place
to store sails, when we go on vacation we store the kite in the shower with
the extra beer. The anchor locker is big, on top of the chain and rode for
the 2 anchors we keep the portable generator there with lots of room to
spare.

I find the cockpit to be plenty big and comfortable, no complaints. All
center cockpits are not easy to get in and out of if they have an
enclosure, probably one of the reasons why the backrest are the
height they are. We have a full enclosure at one height (see link below)
like having an extra living room in all weather.  I upgraded to a folding
40" wheel, which makes it feel a bit more racy :)

I looked at the boat on FB, ours is set up a bit differently. Where the FB
boat has the captain's birth we have workbench and shelves. Below that is
lots of storage.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h1kn0cmw1nk3aqo/20220815.jpg?dl=0

*Kevin Wright*
Raven
1985 Landfall 43
Midland ON
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Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Interesting and you’ve obviously thought it through.   Great fun looking and 
pondering.  I do struggle with the ‘80s centre cockpit types, for reasons I 
mentioned,  despite feeling otherwise at one point.  (And really wanting to 
love and buy an amel super maramu before locking in on the OVNI).There are 
whitby 42s around here among others that come up from time to time, they seem 
like real bargains for someone looking at that range/type.  
I was in Kingston once and a c&C 44 pulled in, single handed by a super nice 
older-than-me guy.  Boat totally equipped for offshore which the owner 
intimated might never happen.   no expense spared, which at first impressed me 
then I thought about why the various compromises may not work very well.
But…. With all that gear removed- breathtaking lines.RIP Rob Ball.  
I was tempted by a landfall 48 at one point, was in the yard here (whitby ON) 
for a long time before it sold.  Deep draft, which around here can be an issue. 
  Seemed like a lot of boat for the money, though of course there’s no such 
thing as a cheap boat.   
Offshore boats are thin on the ground around here and even in Nova Scotia where 
I had a place and where my dad lives.   I actually spent time in Brittany boat 
shopping as a result.  Incredible.   As hockey is to canada, sailing is to 
France.   
Should be no shortage of boats in your neck of the woods though, Happy hunting. 

Dave 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 18, 2023, at 4:44 PM, Shawn Wright  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Thanks for chiming in, some good points there. I have noticed that 
> relationship between cockpit sole height/boom height and aft cabin space, and 
> it is one thing I dislike about many of the newer C&Cs, although I could 
> probably get used to it. I recall spending a few hours in a 37+ and then 
> returning to our 35 and remarking how much more comfortable it was. But the 
> 37+ had an aft cabin. The 41 seems to be a fair tradeoff, with at least one 
> large cockpit locker; the 44 is a no go for me. I'm not sure where the LF43 
> falls, as I haven't seen one yet, and the photos don't give much clue to 
> locker space, but I suspect it is tight. I fit 4 jerry cans in my 35 lockers, 
> along with a big plastic tub with 600' of prawn line, prawn trap, crab trap, 
> etc. and it's still not full. I don't think any of the new boats have lockers 
> like this, so I just have to get used to carrying more junk on deck I guess.
> The LF43 cockpit appears to have gone with a low coaming approach for looks, 
> and has tons of headroom below, so the seat backs are low, and there is poor 
> backrest space everywhere it appears. Can be fixed with some rigid back 
> folding cushions though. One thing I know that I will give up is the ability 
> to singlehand, at least to/from a dock. I just can't see getting any centre 
> cockpit boat onto a dock in any kind of wind or current. That is one big 
> difference between the 43 and say a LF38. But our future is to sail to Mexico 
> and beyond, so day and short trip sailing around the coast like we do now 
> will be much less frequent. We love the feeling of an open-ended cruise, and 
> have done 6 weeks aboard our 35 entirely at anchor a few times, usually with 
> a re-provision stop after 2-3 weeks. The ability to go even longer in a boat 
> like the 43 is very attractive, as is the comfort level of being on passage 
> in a much heavier boat. I love sailing our 35, but in most cases, if the wind 
> is steady and there is sea room, I'm also happy to let the autopilot take 
> over. Our 35 tracks pretty well, but the wheel pilot is only good in moderate 
> conditions. One of the factors influencing the decision is the realisation 
> that although my wife and I have done a 2800M passage on another boat, we're 
> not ready to do one on our own, so the boat we get must have room for crew, 
> both on passage, and at anchor. That means 3 sea berths, and two private 
> cabins. The LF43 works well, the LF38 would be tight, and the 40 without aft 
> cabin, or any earlier C&C with just a quarter berth, really wouldn't cut it 
> at anchor, although the sea berths are fine.
> 
> It's all about the tradeoffs, and which things you're willing to let go of. 
> Friends sailed south in their Ovni last summer, and are past Mexico now. Once 
> when we sailed with the in our 35, we could point higher and started to catch 
> them, but they were a lot more comfortable in the cold! 
> 
> Even if this particular boat doesn't work out (it's a long shot, since the 
> boat is in Florida and we're in BC, so we'd have to change plans big time), I 
> hope to come out of the experience with a clear indicate of whether the LF43 
> is still on our list of boats or not. Because the list of boats I like is far 
> too long, and those we can afford is far too short
> 
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 1

Stus-List Re: Who's following Ocean Race?

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Yes! It's like flying, anybody can take off in a plane, but landing is
another story.! When he first launched it, he almost ran the drone into the
leech. I would think they would buy one of those splash drones that can
survive in water.

Bill Coleman

On Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 18:08 Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I wish they had shown the catch...
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
> On Mar 18, 2023, at 2:22 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
> That is freaking incredible.  My resistance to purchasing a drone is
> waning.
>
> Bill Coleman
> Erie PA
>
> On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 3:05 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I've been following the IMOCA foilers every day. The coverage has been
>> spectaculare because each boat has a photo/journalist aboard to cover the
>> experience in video.  My favorite is Malizia with Boris Herrmann.  The
>> recent drone footage has been amazing of cruising at 25 to 29knots
>> boatspeed, nobody touching a sheet.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SZgT-FwyU0
>>
>> I also follow the GGR race, where the sailors are sailing solo around the
>> world, in older 35 footers without GPS or any computers.  A woman named
>> Kirsten is leading as they have rounded the Horn and approach the equator
>> headed back to the finish in France.
>>
>> Chuck S
>>
>> On 03/18/2023 2:04 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> After racing for 20+ days, the 4 boats are within 20 nm of each other.
>>
>> https://www.theoceanrace.com/en/racing/tracker
>>
>> --
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
>> help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at:
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>>
>> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
>> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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>
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Stus-List Re: Who's following Ocean Race?

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I wish they had shown the catch...Tom BuscagliaS/V Alera 1990 C&C 37+/40Vashon WAP 206.463.9200C 305.409.3660On Mar 18, 2023, at 2:22 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  wrote:That is freaking incredible.  My resistance to purchasing a drone is waning. Bill ColemanErie PAOn Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 3:05 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  wrote:

  
   
 
 
  
   Hi,
   
  
  
   I've been following the IMOCA foilers every day. The coverage has been spectaculare because each boat has a photo/journalist aboard to cover the experience in video.  My favorite is Malizia with Boris Herrmann.  The recent drone footage has been amazing of cruising at 25 to 29knots boatspeed, nobody touching a sheet.  
  
  
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SZgT-FwyU0
   
  
  
   
  
  
   I also follow the GGR race, where the sailors are sailing solo around the world, in older 35 footers without GPS or any computers.  A woman named Kirsten is leading as they have rounded the Horn and approach the equator headed back to the finish in France.
  
  
   
  
  
   Chuck S
  
  
   
  
  
   
On 03/18/2023 2:04 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:
   
   

   
   

   
   
After racing for 20+ days, the 4 boats are within 20 nm of each other.

 


 https://www.theoceanrace.com/en/racing/tracker
 
 
  
 -- 
 
 
  
   Dennis C.
   
Touche' 35-1 #83
   
   
Mandeville, LA
   
  
 

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Stus-List Re: Who's following Ocean Race?

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

That is freaking incredible.  My resistance to purchasing a drone is
waning.

Bill Coleman
Erie PA

On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 3:05 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I've been following the IMOCA foilers every day. The coverage has been
> spectaculare because each boat has a photo/journalist aboard to cover the
> experience in video.  My favorite is Malizia with Boris Herrmann.  The
> recent drone footage has been amazing of cruising at 25 to 29knots
> boatspeed, nobody touching a sheet.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SZgT-FwyU0
>
> I also follow the GGR race, where the sailors are sailing solo around the
> world, in older 35 footers without GPS or any computers.  A woman named
> Kirsten is leading as they have rounded the Horn and approach the equator
> headed back to the finish in France.
>
> Chuck S
>
> On 03/18/2023 2:04 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
> After racing for 20+ days, the 4 boats are within 20 nm of each other.
>
> https://www.theoceanrace.com/en/racing/tracker
>
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hi Dave,

Thanks for chiming in, some good points there. I have noticed that
relationship between cockpit sole height/boom height and aft cabin space,
and it is one thing I dislike about many of the newer C&Cs, although I
could probably get used to it. I recall spending a few hours in a 37+ and
then returning to our 35 and remarking how much more comfortable it was.
But the 37+ had an aft cabin. The 41 seems to be a fair tradeoff, with at
least one large cockpit locker; the 44 is a no go for me. I'm not sure
where the LF43 falls, as I haven't seen one yet, and the photos don't give
much clue to locker space, but I suspect it is tight. I fit 4 jerry cans in
my 35 lockers, along with a big plastic tub with 600' of prawn line, prawn
trap, crab trap, etc. and it's still not full. I don't think any of the new
boats have lockers like this, so I just have to get used to carrying more
junk on deck I guess.
The LF43 cockpit appears to have gone with a low coaming approach for
looks, and has tons of headroom below, so the seat backs are low, and there
is poor backrest space everywhere it appears. Can be fixed with some rigid
back folding cushions though. One thing I know that I will give up is the
ability to singlehand, at least to/from a dock. I just can't see getting
any centre cockpit boat onto a dock in any kind of wind or current. That is
one big difference between the 43 and say a LF38. But our future is to sail
to Mexico and beyond, so day and short trip sailing around the coast like
we do now will be much less frequent. We love the feeling of an open-ended
cruise, and have done 6 weeks aboard our 35 entirely at anchor a few times,
usually with a re-provision stop after 2-3 weeks. The ability to go even
longer in a boat like the 43 is very attractive, as is the comfort level of
being on passage in a much heavier boat. I love sailing our 35, but in most
cases, if the wind is steady and there is sea room, I'm also happy to let
the autopilot take over. Our 35 tracks pretty well, but the wheel pilot is
only good in moderate conditions. One of the factors influencing the
decision is the realisation that although my wife and I have done a 2800M
passage on another boat, we're not ready to do one on our own, so the boat
we get must have room for crew, both on passage, and at anchor. That means
3 sea berths, and two private cabins. The LF43 works well, the LF38 would
be tight, and the 40 without aft cabin, or any earlier C&C with just a
quarter berth, really wouldn't cut it at anchor, although the sea berths
are fine.

It's all about the tradeoffs, and which things you're willing to let go of.
Friends sailed south in their Ovni last summer, and are past Mexico now.
Once when we sailed with the in our 35, we could point higher and started
to catch them, but they were a lot more comfortable in the cold!

Even if this particular boat doesn't work out (it's a long shot, since the
boat is in Florida and we're in BC, so we'd have to change plans big time),
I hope to come out of the experience with a clear indicate of whether the
LF43 is still on our list of boats or not. Because the list of boats I like
is far too long, and those we can afford is far too short

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 12:54 PM Dave S  wrote:

> Shawn - Fwiw - I’ll chime in having spent many years going through this,
> and having gotten comfortable with the various trade offs and just closed
> the purchase of my next boat (alubat OVNI 435….) I’ve accepted that Driving
> the OVNI will be more G-Wagen than Lotus…
> IMO Any c&c is pretty moderate in design (vs a pogo or Colin archer) and
> is performance-biased so it’ll probably ‘sail well’, broadly speaking.
> The rest comes down to how you’ll REALLY be using the boat.  How much time
> to windward, how often consecutive overnight sails, how much loafing in the
> comfy cockpit (go Hunter!) etc.  I hadn’t fully thought it through when
> boat shopping, and I got very lucky choosing windstar (c&C 33-2) in a lot
> of ways.   she can be single handed easily, and she goes to windward really
> well in all conditions, and I’m comfortable sailing in any conditions I’ve
> encountered here.   I didn’t fully appreciate that for ‘out and back’
> sailing, I’d be spending most of my time on the wind, (and loving it) and I
> wasn’t thinking much about singlehanding.  Her cockpit is …. Tolerable
> … for entertaining and while she ‘sleeps several’ she couldn’t keep them
> hydrated for long.  She has a big tall rig and here in Lake Ontario, that’s
> great. All this is relevant, all good for how and where the boat is
> used.She’s a great boat and I’ll miss the performance for sure.
> Otoh My dad advised that when he cruised his steel cutter he rarely sailed
> to windward, only steered when entering harbour or daysailing, and reefed
> his stout, conservative rig at sunset. He really valued the pilot berth,
> and ha

Stus-List Re: Sail costs

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

I guess I am a hard  core "club" racer who buys racing sails when the 
current sail becomes too deformed for racing, de-laminates or not enuf 
of remains after it blew out. I have not replaced a sail that was 
younger then 20 yrs old.  In fact my Hood Vectron mainsail is twenty 
years old and still holding decent shape.  The mainsail/rig was modified 
by factory for IOR and has two feet off the boom, thus the #1, #2 and #3 
genoas are all bigger than my main and are the real power sails.  Since 
the new sail will be fairly expensive, I get competitive quotes from the 
local lofts being North, Quantum, Doyle and in the past Hood (now 
Quantum).  My foretriangle is a standard C&C 35-2 that resides in their 
databases, with all lofts are located around Narragansett Bay they 
understand the local and offshore conditions and can quote an 
appropriate wind range for the sail (material strength/size).  In every 
case, in selecting a sail, the loft will send out a very knowledgeable 
racer who will take measurements, note my sail track layout and discuss 
the wind range for the size. The sails are then manufactured overseas, 
but with the last two sails, they went back to loft for minor adjustment 
and to add spreader and stanchion patches after their representative 
sailed on the boat.  I have even had their representative, while racing 
on another boat, take pictures of my boat an advise me on better sail 
adjustment and crew placement.


Bottom line is in the forty years of owning this boat I have bought the 
more expensive sails for racing that have lasted for years and when 
cruising use their older cousins that still can be hoisted.


Don Kern
/Fireball/, C&C35 Mk2
Bristol, RI

On 3/18/2023 12:30 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
My 20 year old Dacron "delivery" sail got shredded in Hurricane 
Sally.  I was quoted $3600-3800 for a Dacron crosscut 155 for my 35-1 
by Ullman and North.  I went with a different sailmaker who came to 
the boat, measured and ordered it from Quantum's offshore 
manufacturing facility in Sri Lanka.  $2700 delivered to my door.  
Probably not the greatest sail I've owned but definitely acceptable 
for day sailing and cruising.


Local lofts are good but I think offshore sails can be a good deal.  
If a local sailmaker measures and orders the sail, you get the benefit 
of a local guy and the efficiency of offshore manufacture.  I suspect 
the offshore manufacturing facilities have proceduralized 
manufacturing and quality control.  Your local loft may not have 
that.  I've bought many sails over the years.  The only two issues 
I've had were with the local loft's manufacturing.  I've only had two 
offshore sails but never had an issue with either.  Both arrived with 
a quality control checklist in the box.


The most important thing is the local sailmaker's knowledge of local 
sailing conditions and the performance characteristics of your boat.


--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 9:35 AM Bob Mann via CnC-List 
 wrote:


I paid $5400 two years ago in Detroit for a lt/med 155 for my 35
mk I.

Bob

On 03/18/2023 9:54 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
 wrote:


Sail costs:  A new light air genoa was quoted at $5200 for my 36
footer, so I decided instead to have repairs made to my old
sails.   They repaired my #2 for $700. They will alter my #3 for
a little more.  They are removing horizontal battens and
installing vertical battens, and adding UV, so it can be furled. 
I've chosen to use Chesapeake Sailmakers because they are service
oriented, came out and measured my rig before I spent any money,
and they took time to evaluate my sails and offer options.

Wonder what others are paying for new sails and/or repairs.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Annapolis
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Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Shawn - Fwiw - I’ll chime in having spent many years going through this, and 
having gotten comfortable with the various trade offs and just closed the 
purchase of my next boat (alubat OVNI 435….) I’ve accepted that Driving the 
OVNI will be more G-Wagen than Lotus… 
IMO Any c&c is pretty moderate in design (vs a pogo or Colin archer) and is 
performance-biased so it’ll probably ‘sail well’, broadly speaking.  
The rest comes down to how you’ll REALLY be using the boat.  How much time to 
windward, how often consecutive overnight sails, how much loafing in the comfy 
cockpit (go Hunter!) etc.  I hadn’t fully thought it through when boat 
shopping, and I got very lucky choosing windstar (c&C 33-2) in a lot of ways.   
she can be single handed easily, and she goes to windward really well in all 
conditions, and I’m comfortable sailing in any conditions I’ve encountered 
here.   I didn’t fully appreciate that for ‘out and back’ sailing, I’d be 
spending most of my time on the wind, (and loving it) and I wasn’t thinking 
much about singlehanding.  Her cockpit is …. Tolerable … for entertaining 
and while she ‘sleeps several’ she couldn’t keep them hydrated for long.  She 
has a big tall rig and here in Lake Ontario, that’s great. All this is 
relevant, all good for how and where the boat is used.She’s a great boat 
and I’ll miss the performance for sure.
Otoh My dad advised that when he cruised his steel cutter he rarely sailed to 
windward, only steered when entering harbour or daysailing, and reefed his 
stout, conservative rig at sunset. He really valued the pilot berth, and hated 
not having ice.   He also appreciated the ability to reduce sail and remain 
balanced, and the way she hove to.He told me a 150nm day was decent and 
that he was never too concerned about it.   Not a lot said about light air 
performance, ever,  but the boat was a moderate, modern (then) brewer design 
and no slug - it was a fun, respectable Wednesday night sailor- for what it 
was. 

In my recent search, in noticed a few things not often discussed:
The relationship between cockpit sole height, boom height, dodger height and 
aft accommodation.  Many newer boats have super tall dodgers, (rarely evident 
in brochure photos)  shallow cockpits with no appreciable lockers, and 
condo-like master bedrooms.  This is really evident in boats under say 45’.  
The ability to mount solar panels, stow a dinghy, and the ease of boarding are 
also things worth thinking about.   (People treasure Amels for many good 
reasons, but….. )   In reeeally old boats, where does the propane tank go?  Can 
you reach the Genoa sheets from the helm?  Can you stretch out on the cockpit 
seats?   
Fun stuff.

Dave 

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> On Mar 18, 2023, at 2:13 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Kevin and other Landfall 43 owners:
> 
> "Sails well for what it is"... that's what concerns me... not sure I am ready 
> to sail a Hunter-bago! I know it won't accelerate or turn like my 35, but I 
> need to be sailing if there's wind, not motoring, as that would not work for 
> me. 
> So what is the minimum true wind speed you would sail in on a reach, and what 
> boat speed would you get? How much true wind do you need to get moving at 
> 7kts consistently? If you do offshore passages, what is a typical day, and 
> what is your best day range in 24 hrs?
> How does it go upwind, and what is the AWA when closehauled and tuned for 
> best VMG?
> 
> On a different topic, how is the cockpit, and locker storage on deck? The 
> cockpit looks a bit shallow/small, with no good back rests. There appears to 
> be two small aft deck lockers, and one port side aft locker; one of these I 
> assume is propane. How large/deep are the lockers? One of the reasons we 
> didn't like the 44 was minimal locker space on deck, so this is a concern 
> also.
> 
> Thanks!
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 2:14 PM Kevin Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>> Hi Shawn,
>> We have a 1985 Landfall 43 in Georgian Bay, going into our 3 season. Love 
>> the boat has all the room we need and more and it sails well for what it is. 
>> Haven't had any major issues, like David, our engine was replaced with a 
>> 55hp  Westerbeke and does 7 knots without any problems. The only thing we 
>> wished it had was some sort of sugar scoop to make it easier to get in and 
>> out of the dingy. I'm heading to the boat tomorrow to take some transom 
>> measurements to have a swim platform fabricated to help with that. Let us 
>> know how it turns out!
>> 
>> Kevin Wright
>> Raven
>> 1985 Landfall 43
>> Midland ON
> 
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Stus-List Re: Sail costs

[cenelson--- via CnC-List]

Similar to my recent (2020/2021) 155% 3Di from North. No luff cover-I use a 
sleeve—and IIRC it was ~$6600 all in.
It was of medium weight for potential racing near the ocean and hopefully for 
better longevity!
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb


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On Saturday, March 18, 2023, 2:46 PM, Ted Drossos via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I had a new 155% made by Quantum for my C&C 110 in 2020 . It was a carbon fiber 
tri-radial with Liteskin.  $6300 plus tax and delivery.
Ted DrossosC&C 110Lady in RedLong Island, NY

-Original Message-
From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Sent: Sat, Mar 18, 2023 9:54 am
Subject: Stus-List Sail costs

   Sail costs:  A new light air genoa was quoted at $5200 for my 36 footer, so 
I decided instead to have repairs made to my old sails.   They repaired my #2 
for $700.  They will alter my #3 for a little more.  They are removing 
horizontal battens and installing vertical battens, and adding UV, so it can be 
furled.  I've chosen to use Chesapeake Sailmakers because they are service 
oriented, came out and measured my rig before I spent any money, and they took 
time to evaluate my sails and offer options. 
   
   Wonder what others are paying for new sails and/or repairs.  
   
   Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Annapolis  Please show your 
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Stus-List Re: Who's following Ocean Race?

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hi,
I've been following the IMOCA foilers every day. The coverage has been 
spectaculare because each boat has a photo/journalist aboard to cover the 
experience in video.  My favorite is Malizia with Boris Herrmann.  The recent 
drone footage has been amazing of cruising at 25 to 29knots boatspeed, nobody 
touching a sheet. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SZgT-FwyU0

I also follow the GGR race, where the sailors are sailing solo around the 
world, in older 35 footers without GPS or any computers.  A woman named Kirsten 
is leading as they have rounded the Horn and approach the equator headed back 
to the finish in France.

Chuck S


> On 03/18/2023 2:04 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> After racing for 20+ days, the 4 boats are within 20 nm of each other.
> 
> https://www.theoceanrace.com/en/racing/tracker
> 
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Sail costs

[Ted Drossos via CnC-List]

I had a new 155% made by Quantum for my C&C 110 in 2020 . It was a carbon fiber 
tri-radial with Liteskin.  $6300 plus tax and delivery.
Ted DrossosC&C 110Lady in RedLong Island, NY

-Original Message-
From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Sent: Sat, Mar 18, 2023 9:54 am
Subject: Stus-List Sail costs

   Sail costs:  A new light air genoa was quoted at $5200 for my 36 footer, so 
I decided instead to have repairs made to my old sails.   They repaired my #2 
for $700.  They will alter my #3 for a little more.  They are removing 
horizontal battens and installing vertical battens, and adding UV, so it can be 
furled.  I've chosen to use Chesapeake Sailmakers because they are service 
oriented, came out and measured my rig before I spent any money, and they took 
time to evaluate my sails and offer options. 
   
   Wonder what others are paying for new sails and/or repairs.  
   
   Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Annapolis  Please show your 
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Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hi Kevin and other Landfall 43 owners:

"Sails well for what it is"... that's what concerns me... not sure I am
ready to sail a Hunter-bago! I know it won't accelerate or turn like my 35,
but I need to be sailing if there's wind, not motoring, as that would not
work for me.
So what is the minimum true wind speed you would sail in on a reach, and
what boat speed would you get? How much true wind do you need to get moving
at 7kts consistently? If you do offshore passages, what is a typical day,
and what is your best day range in 24 hrs?
How does it go upwind, and what is the AWA when closehauled and tuned for
best VMG?

On a different topic, how is the cockpit, and locker storage on deck? The
cockpit looks a bit shallow/small, with no good back rests. There appears
to be two small aft deck lockers, and one port side aft locker; one of
these I assume is propane. How large/deep are the lockers? One of the
reasons we didn't like the 44 was minimal locker space on deck, so this is
a concern also.

Thanks!
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 2:14 PM Kevin Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Shawn,
> We have a 1985 Landfall 43 in Georgian Bay, going into our 3 season. Love
> the boat has all the room we need and more and it sails well for what it
> is. Haven't had any major issues, like David, our engine was replaced with
> a 55hp  Westerbeke and does 7 knots without any problems. The only thing we
> wished it had was some sort of sugar scoop to make it easier to get in and
> out of the dingy. I'm heading to the boat tomorrow to take some
> transom measurements to have a swim platform fabricated to help with that.
> Let us know how it turns out!
>
> *Kevin Wright*
> Raven
> 1985 Landfall 43
> Midland ON
>
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Stus-List Re: Sail costs

[Tom Sutton via CnC-List]

I have new sails on order for my 35’ sailboat although it isn’t a C&C,  it is a 
Saga and made by many of the C&C (and Hinterhoeller) craftsmen.  A new tri 
radial dacron main was $4840 and a 105% tri radial dacron jib was $3385.  By 
the time I added some extras (second reef point, reefing blocks) and add taxes 
etc. The total is just shy of $9800 in Canadian dollars so about $7250 USD.  
That is from Ullman, the sales rep came and measured and we had a thorough 
conversation about different set up and options. I believe the sails are made 
in South Africa and will be finished in Detroit.

Cheers,
Tom S


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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Sent: March 18, 2023 7:55 AM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER
Subject: Stus-List Sail costs

Sail costs:  A new light air genoa was quoted at $5200 for my 36 footer, so I 
decided instead to have repairs made to my old sails.   They repaired my #2 for 
$700.  They will alter my #3 for a little more.  They are removing horizontal 
battens and installing vertical battens, and adding UV, so it can be furled.  
I've chosen to use Chesapeake Sailmakers because they are service oriented, 
came out and measured my rig before I spent any money, and they took time to 
evaluate my sails and offer options. 

Wonder what others are paying for new sails and/or repairs.  

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Annapolis 

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Stus-List Who's following Ocean Race?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

After racing for 20+ days, the 4 boats are within 20 nm of each other.

https://www.theoceanrace.com/en/racing/tracker

-- 
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Sail costs

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Sounds like a good price but six years ago.  What loft?

C

> On 03/18/2023 12:00 PM Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I paid about $3600, in 2016, for a 135% heavy duty off shore with, 
> sunbrella sun protection, foam to help with shape when furled, extra 
> stitching blah blah blah, for a 40 tartan. 
> 
> Danny
> Currently Boatless
> 
> On Mar 18, 2023 9:54 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> > > Sail costs:  A new light air genoa was quoted at $5200 
> for my 36 footer, so I decided instead to have repairs made to my old sails.  
>  They repaired my #2 for $700.  They will alter my #3 for a little more.  
> They are removing horizontal battens and installing vertical battens, and 
> adding UV, so it can be furled.  I've chosen to use Chesapeake Sailmakers 
> because they are service oriented, came out and measured my rig before I 
> spent any money, and they took time to evaluate my sails and offer options.
> > 
> > Wonder what others are paying for new sails and/or repairs. 
> > 
> > Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Annapolis
> > 
> > > 
> 
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Stus-List Re: Sail costs

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hi Dennis,

Appreciate your feedback.  Wasn't Hurricane Sally in 2004?  Twenty years ago. 

I remember quotes around 2010 from North for a genoa in the $3800 price range 
for dacron, but costs have gone up considerably.  The new sail quote ($5200) 
was for a light wind 150% racing sail by Elvstrom in dacron.  It would probably 
be cut and sewn in Shri-Lanka, but designed by Elvstrom software, based on 
Chesapeake Sailmaker measurements.

My plan this year is to reserve a medium #1 for racing, and use my older #2 and 
#3 for daysailing and cruising.  I just learned that I won't get a 6 second 
credit for the furler, because all my sails are string sails in Kevlar by UK 
and the furler credit from PHRF is only applicable to dacron sails.  Bummer.  



Chuck S





> On 03/18/2023 12:30 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> My 20 year old Dacron "delivery" sail got shredded in Hurricane Sally.  I 
> was quoted $3600-3800 for a Dacron crosscut 155 for my 35-1 by Ullman and 
> North.  I went with a different sailmaker who came to the boat, measured and 
> ordered it from Quantum's offshore manufacturing facility in Sri Lanka.  
> $2700 delivered to my door.  Probably not the greatest sail I've owned but 
> definitely acceptable for day sailing and cruising.
> 
> Local lofts are good but I think offshore sails can be a good deal.  If a 
> local sailmaker measures and orders the sail, you get the benefit of a local 
> guy and the efficiency of offshore manufacture.  I suspect the offshore 
> manufacturing facilities have proceduralized manufacturing and quality 
> control.  Your local loft may not have that.  I've bought many sails over the 
> years.  The only two issues I've had were with the local loft's 
> manufacturing.  I've only had two offshore sails but never had an issue with 
> either.  Both arrived with a quality control checklist in the box.
> 
> The most important thing is the local sailmaker's knowledge of local 
> sailing conditions and the performance characteristics of your boat.
> 
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 9:35 AM Bob Mann via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> > > I paid $5400 two years ago in Detroit for a lt/med 155 
> for my 35 mk I.
> > 
> > Bob
> > 
> > > > > On 03/18/2023 9:54 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via 
> > CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Sail costs:  A new light air genoa was quoted at $5200 for my 
> > > 36 footer, so I decided instead to have repairs made to my old sails.   
> > > They repaired my #2 for $700.  They will alter my #3 for a little more.  
> > > They are removing horizontal battens and installing vertical battens, and 
> > > adding UV, so it can be furled.  I've chosen to use Chesapeake Sailmakers 
> > > because they are service oriented, came out and measured my rig before I 
> > > spent any money, and they took time to evaluate my sails and offer 
> > > options.
> > > 
> > > Wonder what others are paying for new sails and/or repairs. 
> > > 
> > > Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Annapolis
> > > Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo 
> > > Album site and help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at:
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> > > 
> > > > > Please show your appreciation for this list and the 
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> > > contribution at:
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> > 
> > > 
> 
> 
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Stus-List Re: Sail costs

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Most of these guys (North, Ullman, etc) have the sails made overseas.  Like you 
said, it’s the local personal service that makes the difference.

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
1982 C&C 32, FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 12:32:35 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Sail costs

Forgot to add.  It was a furling genoa with foam luff and UV protection.


--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 11:30 AM Dennis C. 
mailto:capt...@gmail.com>> wrote:
My 20 year old Dacron "delivery" sail got shredded in Hurricane Sally.  I was 
quoted $3600-3800 for a Dacron crosscut 155 for my 35-1 by Ullman and North.  I 
went with a different sailmaker who came to the boat, measured and ordered it 
from Quantum's offshore manufacturing facility in Sri Lanka.  $2700 delivered 
to my door.  Probably not the greatest sail I've owned but definitely 
acceptable for day sailing and cruising.

Local lofts are good but I think offshore sails can be a good deal.  If a local 
sailmaker measures and orders the sail, you get the benefit of a local guy and 
the efficiency of offshore manufacture.  I suspect the offshore manufacturing 
facilities have proceduralized manufacturing and quality control.  Your local 
loft may not have that.  I've bought many sails over the years.  The only two 
issues I've had were with the local loft's manufacturing.  I've only had two 
offshore sails but never had an issue with either.  Both arrived with a quality 
control checklist in the box.

The most important thing is the local sailmaker's knowledge of local sailing 
conditions and the performance characteristics of your boat.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



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Stus-List Re: Sail costs

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Forgot to add.  It was a furling genoa with foam luff and UV protection.


--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 11:30 AM Dennis C.  wrote:

> My 20 year old Dacron "delivery" sail got shredded in Hurricane Sally.  I
> was quoted $3600-3800 for a Dacron crosscut 155 for my 35-1 by Ullman and
> North.  I went with a different sailmaker who came to the boat, measured
> and ordered it from Quantum's offshore manufacturing facility in Sri
> Lanka.  $2700 delivered to my door.  Probably not the greatest sail I've
> owned but definitely acceptable for day sailing and cruising.
>
> Local lofts are good but I think offshore sails can be a good deal.  If a
> local sailmaker measures and orders the sail, you get the benefit of a
> local guy and the efficiency of offshore manufacture.  I suspect the
> offshore manufacturing facilities have proceduralized manufacturing and
> quality control.  Your local loft may not have that.  I've bought many
> sails over the years.  The only two issues I've had were with the local
> loft's manufacturing.  I've only had two offshore sails but never had an
> issue with either.  Both arrived with a quality control checklist in the
> box.
>
> The most important thing is the local sailmaker's knowledge of local
> sailing conditions and the performance characteristics of your boat.
>
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Sail costs

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

My 20 year old Dacron "delivery" sail got shredded in Hurricane Sally.  I
was quoted $3600-3800 for a Dacron crosscut 155 for my 35-1 by Ullman and
North.  I went with a different sailmaker who came to the boat, measured
and ordered it from Quantum's offshore manufacturing facility in Sri
Lanka.  $2700 delivered to my door.  Probably not the greatest sail I've
owned but definitely acceptable for day sailing and cruising.

Local lofts are good but I think offshore sails can be a good deal.  If a
local sailmaker measures and orders the sail, you get the benefit of a
local guy and the efficiency of offshore manufacture.  I suspect the
offshore manufacturing facilities have proceduralized manufacturing and
quality control.  Your local loft may not have that.  I've bought many
sails over the years.  The only two issues I've had were with the local
loft's manufacturing.  I've only had two offshore sails but never had an
issue with either.  Both arrived with a quality control checklist in the
box.

The most important thing is the local sailmaker's knowledge of local
sailing conditions and the performance characteristics of your boat.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 9:35 AM Bob Mann via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I paid $5400 two years ago in Detroit for a lt/med 155 for my 35 mk I.
>
> Bob
>
> On 03/18/2023 9:54 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> Sail costs:  A new light air genoa was quoted at $5200 for my 36 footer,
> so I decided instead to have repairs made to my old sails.   They repaired
> my #2 for $700.  They will alter my #3 for a little more.  They are
> removing horizontal battens and installing vertical battens, and adding UV,
> so it can be furled.  I've chosen to use Chesapeake Sailmakers because they
> are service oriented, came out and measured my rig before I spent any
> money, and they took time to evaluate my sails and offer options.
>
> Wonder what others are paying for new sails and/or repairs.
>
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Annapolis
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[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I paid about $3600, in 2016, for a 135% heavy duty off shore with, sunbrella sun protection, foam to help with shape when furled, extra stitching blah blah blah, for a 40 tartan. DannyCurrently BoatlessOn Mar 18, 2023 9:54 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  wrote:

  
   Sail costs:  A new light air genoa was quoted at $5200 for my 36 footer, so I decided instead to have repairs made to my old sails.   They repaired my #2 for $700.  They will alter my #3 for a little more.  They are removing horizontal battens and installing vertical battens, and adding UV, so it can be furled.  I've chosen to use Chesapeake Sailmakers because they are service oriented, came out and measured my rig before I spent any money, and they took time to evaluate my sails and offer options.
   
  
  
   
  
  
   Wonder what others are paying for new sails and/or repairs.  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Annapolis
  
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[Bob Mann via CnC-List]

I paid $5400 two years ago in Detroit for a lt/med 155 for my 35 mk I.

Bob

> On 03/18/2023 9:54 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sail costs:  A new light air genoa was quoted at $5200 for my 36 footer, 
> so I decided instead to have repairs made to my old sails.   They repaired my 
> #2 for $700.  They will alter my #3 for a little more.  They are removing 
> horizontal battens and installing vertical battens, and adding UV, so it can 
> be furled.  I've chosen to use Chesapeake Sailmakers because they are service 
> oriented, came out and measured my rig before I spent any money, and they 
> took time to evaluate my sails and offer options.
> 
> Wonder what others are paying for new sails and/or repairs. 
> 
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Annapolis
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and 
> help me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> Thanks for your help.
> Stu
> 
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[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Sail costs:  A new light air genoa was quoted at $5200 for my 36 footer, so I 
decided instead to have repairs made to my old sails.   They repaired my #2 for 
$700.  They will alter my #3 for a little more.  They are removing horizontal 
battens and installing vertical battens, and adding UV, so it can be furled.  
I've chosen to use Chesapeake Sailmakers because they are service oriented, 
came out and measured my rig before I spent any money, and they took time to 
evaluate my sails and offer options.

Wonder what others are paying for new sails and/or repairs. 

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, AnnapolisPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
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