Re: Stus-List Yanmar SB8 shut off

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

 Oh great!That sounds good!!!Thanks Jeremy
On Wednesday, May 1, 2019, 11:58:10 AM CDT, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 My Yanmar 2QM20's manual says to stop it by idling down until it stalls, which 
is what I do.  There is a decompression lever but my understanding is that's 
for emergencies or cold starts - I used it a few times to stop it before I read 
the manual. 
Jeremy
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar SB8 shut off

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👍🏻 
Is idling down until it stalls out ill advised? Chris 


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On mine, definitely not. Ignition off just turns off the warning lights and the 
tach. 

Gary

  

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Otf Bill Coleman via 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 11:59 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar SB8 shut off

  

When you turn the ignition off, does it activate a solenoid that shuts the fuel 
off?

  

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA

  

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 10:57 AM
To: C&C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar SB8 shut off

  

I am very familiar with the gm/hm/ym/qm series engines... Not so much with the 
SB8 series.

  

That being said, whatever actuation method is employed, it is best for the fuel 
to be shut off to kill the engine.  If there is a fuel solenoid - fine.  If 
there is a throttle actuator that goes below idle - fine.  Ultimately you want 
the engine to be starved of diesel fuel.  What you don't want is to regularly 
kill the engine by obstructing the air or eliminating the compression.  These 
methods allow fuel to collect and linger on the cylinders after shutdown.

  

Check your engine to see what is being activated to shut it down.  If it is 
fuel related then you're probably fine leaving it as is. 

  

Josh Muckley 

S/V Sea Hawk 

1989 C&C 37+

Solomons, MD 

  

  

  

On Wed, May 1, 2019, 10:43 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:


Hi Listers!

  

Probably a dumb question but in my research I have encountered a variety of 
opinions about shutting down the SB8. 

  

The previous owner had disconnected the kill switch and just used the ignition 
to shut the engine down. I have always used the kill switch on all my diesels 
and this concerned me. Any opinions out there on this subject? Should I 
reconnect the cable or is it fine to just use the ignition to turn the engine 
off? Any concerns about doing damage to the engine or electronics using this 
method?

  

Thanks so much! Approaching launch date but still some projects to complete!

  

Chris Graham

1978 C&C 26'

Papillon

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Re: Stus-List Yanmar SB8 shut off

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Hi Bill!
Not sure, this will be my first season with the body and have not had her in 
the water. That would have been my guess but I’m not positive about that. 
Hoping to get up to the boat this weekend. 
Chris 


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When you turn the ignition off, does it activate a solenoid thatshuts the fuel 
off?
 
  
 
Bill Coleman
 
C&C 39 Erie, PA
 
  
 
From: CnC-List[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
viaCnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 10:57 AM
To: C&C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar SB8 shut off
 
  
 
I am very familiar with the gm/hm/ym/qm series engines...Not so much with the 
SB8 series.
 
  
 
That being said, whatever actuation method is employed, itis best for the fuel 
to be shut off to kill the engine.  If there is afuel solenoid - fine.  If 
there is a throttle actuator that goes belowidle - fine.  Ultimately you want 
the engine to be starved of dieselfuel.  What you don't want is to regularly 
kill the engine by obstructingthe air or eliminating the compression.  These 
methods allow fuel tocollect and linger on the cylinders after shutdown.
 
  
 
Check your engine to see what is being activated to shut itdown.  If it is fuel 
related then you're probably fine leaving it asis. 
 
  
 
Josh Muckley 
 
S/V Sea Hawk 
 
1989 C&C 37+
 
Solomons, MD 
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
On Wed, May 1, 2019, 10:43 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:
 

HiListers!
 
  
 
Probablya dumb question but in my research I have encountered a variety of 
opinionsabout shutting down the SB8. 
 
  
 
Theprevious owner had disconnected the kill switch and just used the ignition 
toshut the engine down. I have always used the kill switch on all my diesels 
andthis concerned me. Any opinions out there on this subject? Should I 
reconnectthe cable or is it fine to just use the ignition to turn the engine 
off? Anyconcerns about doing damage to the engine or electronics using this 
method?
 
  
 
Thanksso much! Approaching launch date but still some projects to complete!
 
  
 
ChrisGraham
 
1978C&C 26'
 
Papillon
 
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar SB8 shut off

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Thank you Josh! I’ll see if I can figure that out. C


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On Wednesday, May 1, 2019, 10:56 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
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I am very familiar with the gm/hm/ym/qm series engines... Not so much with the 
SB8 series.
That being said, whatever actuation method is employed, it is best for the fuel 
to be shut off to kill the engine.  If there is a fuel solenoid - fine.  If 
there is a throttle actuator that goes below idle - fine.  Ultimately you want 
the engine to be starved of diesel fuel.  What you don't want is to regularly 
kill the engine by obstructing the air or eliminating the compression.  These 
methods allow fuel to collect and linger on the cylinders after shutdown.
Check your engine to see what is being activated to shut it down.  If it is 
fuel related then you're probably fine leaving it as is. 
Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+Solomons, MD 


On Wed, May 1, 2019, 10:43 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:

 Hi Listers!
Probably a dumb question but in my research I have encountered a variety of 
opinions about shutting down the SB8. 
The previous owner had disconnected the kill switch and just used the ignition 
to shut the engine down. I have always used the kill switch on all my diesels 
and this concerned me. Any opinions out there on this subject? Should I 
reconnect the cable or is it fine to just use the ignition to turn the engine 
off? Any concerns about doing damage to the engine or electronics using this 
method?
Thanks so much! Approaching launch date but still some projects to complete!
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar SB8 shut off

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

 Hi Listers!
Probably a dumb question but in my research I have encountered a variety of 
opinions about shutting down the SB8. 
The previous owner had disconnected the kill switch and just used the ignition 
to shut the engine down. I have always used the kill switch on all my diesels 
and this concerned me. Any opinions out there on this subject? Should I 
reconnect the cable or is it fine to just use the ignition to turn the engine 
off? Any concerns about doing damage to the engine or electronics using this 
method?
Thanks so much! Approaching launch date but still some projects to complete!
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Re: Stus-List Winch Overhaul

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I did my four this winter and it was a lot of elbow grease but a piece of cake 
in terms of the process. I replaced all the Pawl’s, etc nothing as 
gratifying as a smooth running winch :) 
As mentioned before. Tons of information out there and take pictures during the 
disassembly.. it’s helpful when you have to reassemble (the steps are typically 
very specific) 
Good luck 


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On Tuesday, April 23, 2019, 8:53 AM, Eugene Fodor via CnC-List 
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Hi Ray,
This is also on my project list. You can find instructions on the web pretty 
easily via Google. I believe this link has service instructions for your model 
including diagram and assembly/disassembly:  http://l-36.com/winches.php  
GeneHawkC&C 29-2 

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 05:19:25 -0500
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1985 C&C 33-2 and I am looking to do maintenance on two Barient 23 Winch,
Number 3985340.  I have never taken apart one.  I am reaching out for
advise and guidance, instructions, part replacements , grease brand and any
other help in completing this project would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Ray
LakeHouse
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Re: Stus-List Hull products

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 Lysol toilet bowl cleaner is cheap and works amazingly well. 
Chris GrahamPapillon1978 C&C 26
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 I’m looking for suggestions on a product to remove the the brown stain from my 
water line. Also, any recommendations on hull wax as well.

Thanks,

Brien Sadler
TAZ
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Re: Stus-List Logo mugs

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Awesome!!!


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On Friday, December 7, 2018, 8:03 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
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...and here is everything else they've come up with so far: 
https://maritimetees.net/search?q=C%26C
Ken H.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 21:00, Ken Heaton  wrote:

Hats are here: https://maritimetees.net/products/c-c-yachts-hat
Ken H.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 11:04, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
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Hi listers! 
Quick question for anyone out there who might know if there might be C&C logo 
mugs available or even regatta hats with the C&C logo? 
I still have my collection of Sabre and Albin Vega mugs, hats and tee shirts. 
I’d love to get some coffee mugs for the boat.
Café Press had the Vega mugs but I couldn’t find and C&C designs of any kind on 
that site 
Chris 1978 C&C 26 “Papillon”Hull # 094

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Re: Stus-List Logo mugs

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Perfect!!!ThanksChris 


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Hats are here: https://maritimetees.net/products/c-c-yachts-hat
Ken H.
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Hi listers! 
Quick question for anyone out there who might know if there might be C&C logo 
mugs available or even regatta hats with the C&C logo? 
I still have my collection of Sabre and Albin Vega mugs, hats and tee shirts. 
I’d love to get some coffee mugs for the boat.
Café Press had the Vega mugs but I couldn’t find and C&C designs of any kind on 
that site 
Chris 1978 C&C 26 “Papillon”Hull # 094

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Re: Stus-List C&C Logo mugs

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Thanks Steve!!!Chris 


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On Friday, December 7, 2018, 11:51 AM, Steve Staten via CnC-List 
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For future reference, cafepress.com will make coffee mugs, t-shirts and 
mousepads with whatever (tasteful) image you send to them. Surf their site and 
you will kill an afternoon.
 
Steve Staten
 
“C’ Est La Vie”
C&C 26
 
Langley, Oklahoma
 
On Friday, December 7, 2018, 11:33 AM, Robert Gallagher via CnC-List 
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I have 10 or so new in the box, old stock C&C logo mugs and a license plate 
frame (new) and a used license plate frame.
 
  
 
Someone make me an offer for all.   
 
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Hey Bruce!I don’t need 10 mugs but could split them with you ? Chris 


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I am interested. Are still for sale?


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I have 10 or so new in the box, old stock C&C logo mugs and a license plate 
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Someone make me an offer for all.   
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Wow! Seriously??


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I have 10 or so new in the box, old stock C&C logo mugs and a license plate 
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Haha $1000 it is I’ll see what I can find. No luck up here where I live 
Chris 


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On Friday, December 7, 2018, 10:34 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Chris,
I have a pair of C&C mugs, but given how rare they are, I couldn’t sell them to 
you for under $500 apiece. :-) 
I also have a pair of C&C “baseball” hats. Same price. 
There are plenty of outfits online that can print anything on anything with no 
minimums. Suggest you use one of them. You can easily find the logo online. 
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Cnclogo.gif 

All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseC&C 37+ | Sail No: 
NCC-1701-BCity Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log


 



On Dec 7, 2018, at 10:03 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hi listers! 
Quick question for anyone out there who might know if there might be C&C logo 
mugs available or even regatta hats with the C&C logo? 
I still have my collection of Sabre and Albin Vega mugs, hats and tee shirts. 
I’d love to get some coffee mugs for the boat.
Café Press had the Vega mugs but I couldn’t find and C&C designs of any kind on 
that site 
Chris 1978 C&C 26 “Papillon”Hull # 094

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Thank you! I’ll check them out! 


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On Friday, December 7, 2018, 10:54 AM, Gerald Fennessey via CnC-List 
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Try these guys 
Maritime T-Shirt Company (maritimet...@gmail.com)

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Hi listers! 
Quick question for anyone out there who might know if there might be C&C logo 
mugs available or even regatta hats with the C&C logo? 
I still have my collection of Sabre and Albin Vega mugs, hats and tee shirts. 
I’d love to get some coffee mugs for the boat.
Café Press had the Vega mugs but I couldn’t find and C&C designs of any kind on 
that site 
Chris 1978 C&C 26 “Papillon”Hull # 094

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[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Hi listers! 
Quick question for anyone out there who might know if there might be C&C logo 
mugs available or even regatta hats with the C&C logo? 
I still have my collection of Sabre and Albin Vega mugs, hats and tee shirts. 
I’d love to get some coffee mugs for the boat.
Café Press had the Vega mugs but I couldn’t find and C&C designs of any kind on 
that site 
Chris 1978 C&C 26 “Papillon”Hull # 094

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Re: Stus-List Speaker...

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Amazing!


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On Friday, December 7, 2018, 9:12 AM, David via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 #yiv5881465944 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}All,
I was recently introduced to the gentlemen who sailed across the Atlantic on 
his C&C 27 Mk 5 in 1992.
He has graciously accepted my offer to have him speak  of his experience to our 
group via conference call.
Is there interest?


David F. Risch, J. D.

GulfStreamAssociates,LLC 


(401) 419-4650 

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Re: Stus-List 1990 37+/40 For Sale [Not Mine!]

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Oh that’s Shitty!


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On Thursday, December 6, 2018, 5:43 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Several years back, he asked me to redesign the battery switching and charging 
system for him; I did so, and after he saw the drawing and got my invoice, he 
said he wasn’t going to pay me because it looked something like the Blue Sea 
circuit diagram online.  Then he went ahead and installed my design himself.
Any questions?   🙂

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Dec 6, 2018, at 12:14 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
 wrote:
I can validate Fred’s comment.  Totally. 
Get Outlook for iOS


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 wrote:


Don’t sugar-coat it, Fred.  Tell us what you really think. From: Frederick G 
Street via CnC-ListSent: Thursday, December 06, 2018 8:54 AMTo: David via 
CnC-ListCc: Frederick G StreetSubject: Re: Stus-List 1990 37+/40 For Sale [Not 
Mine!] That’s Beau Geste, a hurricane “rescue” boat.  She was sunk, then 
quickly reflected and cleaned out.  The owner is a real d!@k… he was on my dock 
for several years in Bayfield, WI.  If it goes below $30k, I’ll take a look…   
🙂 — Fred

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Re: Stus-List Happy Thanksgiving

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Right back at ya!  :)


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On Thursday, November 22, 2018, 11:06 AM, svrebeccaleah via CnC-List 
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I want to wish everyone a safe and Happy Thanksgiving.  


 Doug Mountjoy Sv Rebecca Leah LH39Port Orchard YC 
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Re: Stus-List Sailboat Manual Location

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 Hi Sidney!There are some available for sale on the C&C site here:
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/

Chris

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 wrote:  
 
 Hello Guys,
Does anyone know where I can find a manual to my sailboat?I have a 1980 C&C 
24ft sailboat.
Will the manual have in it how to lower the mast?
Thanks for the help
Sidney
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Re: Stus-List Winch grease

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I’ll try them! Thank you Marek!C


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Try The Ottawa Chandlery or Marine Outfitters (Kingston). They both sell the 
kits and I think have better prices.

  
 
Marek

Ottawa, ON

  
 
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CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 9:41:04 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chris Graham
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winch grease Looks like the binnacle site crashed :/


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On Sunday, November 4, 2018, 6:21 PM, Chris Graham  wrote:

Thanks Dennis!!! I did the final rinse with simple green. The brakekleen worked 
about as well as the Naptha I used on the other one! Took me half as long to 
break it down and clean it all. 


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On Sunday, November 4, 2018, 6:01 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Wander the piers during the summer.  When you see a boat with grease oozing out 
of a winch, ask the owner what he used.  Don't buy it.
For the record, when I had my marine repair business, I maintained a lot of 
winches.  I cleaned them with Simple Green or, if really dry and stiff, mineral 
spirits followed by Simple Green.  I lubed them with Lewmar grease and oil.  
Never had any complaints.
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Looks like the binnacle site crashed :/


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On Sunday, November 4, 2018, 6:21 PM, Chris Graham  wrote:

Thanks Dennis!!! I did the final rinse with simple green. The brakekleen worked 
about as well as the Naptha I used on the other one! Took me half as long to 
break it down and clean it all. 


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 wrote:

Wander the piers during the summer.  When you see a boat with grease oozing out 
of a winch, ask the owner what he used.  Don't buy it.
For the record, when I had my marine repair business, I maintained a lot of 
winches.  I cleaned them with Simple Green or, if really dry and stiff, mineral 
spirits followed by Simple Green.  I lubed them with Lewmar grease and oil.  
Never had any complaints.
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Thanks Dennis!!! I did the final rinse with simple green. The brakekleen worked 
about as well as the Naptha I used on the other one! Took me half as long to 
break it down and clean it all. 


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On Sunday, November 4, 2018, 6:01 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Wander the piers during the summer.  When you see a boat with grease oozing out 
of a winch, ask the owner what he used.  Don't buy it.
For the record, when I had my marine repair business, I maintained a lot of 
winches.  I cleaned them with Simple Green or, if really dry and stiff, mineral 
spirits followed by Simple Green.  I lubed them with Lewmar grease and oil.  
Never had any complaints.
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, 
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Re: Stus-List Winch grease

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I’ll look for some 


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On Sunday, November 4, 2018, 5:33 PM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I think I got some at Home Depot.  I use it for turnbuckles. From: Chris Graham 
via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 4:00 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Chris Graham Subject: Re: Stus-List Winch grease Wow Josh, that’s 
ridiculous! I’ve never heard of green Grease. Where can you find it?


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On Sunday, November 4, 2018, 11:44 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:

   I found an old PS edition from when I still had my subscription.  I'll try 
to get it digitized and  uploaded soon.  In the mean time hear are the standout 
results.    13 greases tested.   Between the official winch greases, Andersen, 
Harken, and Lewmar.  Lewmar was the given the "best choice" star.    Using 
Lewmar as the reference for all of the other "budget" greases.  Green Grease 
was found to be better in both wash of corrosion protection and static 
corrosion protection.  It was given the "best choice" star (shared only with 
Lewmar) AND the "budget buy" dollar sign (shared with no one else).  Green 
grease was clearly the best value.  $0.64/oz.   
https://www.greengrease.net/kitinfo/Single14/single14ounce.html
   Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk  1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD     On Nov 3, 2018 9:46 
PM, "Chris Graham via CnC-List"  wrote:
 
  I’m performing maintenance on my Barient 18 winches and was wondering if 
there was a preferred machine oil and grease? The Lewmar grease seems expensive 
and I’d have to order it.    Chris 

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Re: Stus-List Winch grease

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This is awesome! Thanks :)


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On Sunday, November 4, 2018, 4:32 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:

This is the home page.  It says you can buy it online or at PepBoys, NAPA, 
AutoZone... And a few others.
https://www.greengrease.net
Josh 

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wrote:

This is great information thanks so much Josh!Chris


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On Sunday, November 4, 2018, 12:02 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:

As promised. 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K6BjDMRWXsjeenlURzxj1x6x1278iH_c/view?usp=drivesdk
Josh
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This is great information thanks so much Josh!Chris


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As promised. 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K6BjDMRWXsjeenlURzxj1x6x1278iH_c/view?usp=drivesdk
Josh
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Re: Stus-List Winch grease

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Great, thank you Michael; I appreciate it!Chris 


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On Sunday, November 4, 2018, 11:57 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List 
 wrote:

A calcium based greases are among the more water resistant offerings.At low 
speed and medium pressure calcium sulphonate is a good choice.
I contacted Shell and one of their product specialists called me back. Aftera 
discussion of the properties of marine winches she recommended lookingat the 
Shell SRS 2000 line ( now renamed Gadus I think ). I got the Extremeversion 
which is calcium suphonate based, $12 for a standard sized greasegun tube. I 
would expect it to be a lifetime supply.
After two years the grease is holding up better than anything I have 
previouslytried, which includes the Lewmar/Harken greases. Previously I would 
rebuild theprimary winches every year and have a mid season tear down to check 
and maybeadd some grease. I took the winches apart after a season and it looked 
good, betterthan they usually would look mid season.
There is information on the web if you are interested. Note it is a specific 
version.
Michael BrownWindburnC&C 30-1


Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 01:45:13 + (UTC)
From: Chris Graham 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Winch grease
Message-ID: <63525769.358141.1541295913...@mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I?m performing maintenance on my Barient 18 winches and was wondering if there 
was a preferred machine oil and grease? The Lewmar grease seems expensive and 
I?d have to order it.?
Chris?

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Wow Josh, that’s ridiculous! I’ve never heard of green Grease. Where can you 
find it?


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On Sunday, November 4, 2018, 11:44 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I found an old PS edition from when I still had my subscription.  I'll try to 
get it digitized and  uploaded soon.  In the mean time hear are the standout 
results. 
13 greases tested.
Between the official winch greases, Andersen, Harken, and Lewmar.  Lewmar was 
the given the "best choice" star. 
Using Lewmar as the reference for all of the other "budget" greases.  Green 
Grease was found to be better in both wash of corrosion protection and static 
corrosion protection.  It was given the "best choice" star (shared only with 
Lewmar) AND the "budget buy" dollar sign (shared with no one else).  Green 
grease was clearly the best value.  $0.64/oz.
https://www.greengrease.net/kitinfo/Single14/single14ounce.html

Josh MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+Solomons, MD 
On Nov 3, 2018 9:46 PM, "Chris Graham via CnC-List"  
wrote:

I’m performing maintenance on my Barient 18 winches and was wondering if there 
was a preferred machine oil and grease? The Lewmar grease seems expensive and 
I’d have to order it. 
Chris 

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Thanks Don!


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On Sunday, November 4, 2018, 9:09 AM, Don Wagner via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I also prefer a teflon or silicone based grease. I avoid lithium based grease 
since they seem to dry out and get hard after a while. Don Wagner Der BaronC&C 
41 CB  From: Chris Graham via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 8:49 
AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Chris Graham Subject: Re: Stus-List Winch 
grease Oh... that sounds good. The Pawlls are rusted so I need to replace all 8 
anyway. May buy the kit and use the cheaper stuff for yearly servicing. Took me 
almost 4 hours per winch to get the sticky hard varnish that had developed!! 
What a mess. They look and feel brand new now!   Chris 


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 wrote:

   There is a very similar teflon based grease used for pool valves, and if you 
have a pool store near you it will be easier to find and probably cheaper.      
  Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone      Original message 
 From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List   Date: 
11/4/18 8:35 AM (GMT-05:00)  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Winch grease     
Good to have on the boat. This is what Peggie Hall recommends for lubricating 
the head pump, as well.
 
 
 
A small tube is about $7 (CAD) at Home Hardware (special order). Readily 
available in any h/w store S of the border.
 
 
 
Marek
 
Ottawa, ON
 
 
   
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CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 05:58
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chris Graham 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winch grease
 
 
 
I’ve never heard of it! Good price!
  
Chris


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 wrote:
 

I use superlube. A local supplier has it for about $15 Cdn full size cartridge. 
It's a clear synthetic grease and it is what the Anderson winch company uses at 
the factory. 
  

  
Bill Bruce 
Landfall 38 
  
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They wanted $18 for shipping for the kit!! So, I think I’m just going to order 
them separately online


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On Sunday, November 4, 2018, 8:49 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List 
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Oh... that sounds good. The Pawlls are rusted so I need to replace all 8 
anyway. May buy the kit and use the cheaper stuff for yearly servicing. Took me 
almost 4 hours per winch to get the sticky hard varnish that had developed!! 
What a mess. They look and feel brand new now! 
Chris 


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 wrote:

There is a very similar teflon based grease used for pool valves, and if you 
have a pool store near you it will be easier to find and probably cheaper.


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 Date: 11/4/18 8:35 AM (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Winch grease 

Good to have on the boat. This is what Peggie Hall recommends for lubricating 
the head pump, as well.
 
  
 
A small tube is about $7 (CAD) at Home Hardware (special order). Readily 
available in any h/w store S of the border.
 
  
 
Marek
 
Ottawa, ON
 
  
 
From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Chris Graham via 
CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 05:58
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chris Graham 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winch grease
 
  
 
I’ve never heard of it! Good price!
 
Chris


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 wrote:
 

I use superlube. A local supplier has it for about $15 Cdn full size cartridge. 
It's a clear synthetic grease and it is what the Anderson winch company uses at 
the factory.
 
  
 
Bill Bruce 
Landfall 38 
 
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Re: Stus-List Winch grease

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Oh... that sounds good. The Pawlls are rusted so I need to replace all 8 
anyway. May buy the kit and use the cheaper stuff for yearly servicing. Took me 
almost 4 hours per winch to get the sticky hard varnish that had developed!! 
What a mess. They look and feel brand new now! 
Chris 


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On Sunday, November 4, 2018, 8:45 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List 
 wrote:

There is a very similar teflon based grease used for pool valves, and if you 
have a pool store near you it will be easier to find and probably cheaper.


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 Original message From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 Date: 11/4/18 8:35 AM (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Winch grease 

Good to have on the boat. This is what Peggie Hall recommends for lubricating 
the head pump, as well.
 
  
 
A small tube is about $7 (CAD) at Home Hardware (special order). Readily 
available in any h/w store S of the border.
 
  
 
Marek
 
Ottawa, ON
 
  
 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Winch grease
 
  
 
I’ve never heard of it! Good price!
 
Chris


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On Sunday, November 4, 2018, 5:53 AM, billbruce--- via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

I use superlube. A local supplier has it for about $15 Cdn full size cartridge. 
It's a clear synthetic grease and it is what the Anderson winch company uses at 
the factory.
 
  
 
Bill Bruce 
Landfall 38 
 
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I’ve never heard of it! Good price!Chris


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  I use superlube. A local supplier has it for about $15 Cdn full size 
cartridge. It's a clear synthetic grease and it is what the Anderson winch 
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Re: Stus-List Winch grease

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I may just order a tube. Chris


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On Saturday, November 3, 2018, 11:01 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I use the Lewmar grease. Use it sparingly. I do all winches (ten) on my boat 
every year, and a tube of Lewmar grease lasts me for years.  

Alan Bergen35 Mk III ThirstyRose City YCPortland, OR


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I’m performing maintenance on my Barient 18 winches and was wondering if there 
was a preferred machine oil and grease? The Lewmar grease seems expensive and 
I’d have to order it. 
Chris 

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Re: Stus-List Winch grease

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Nuts. I no longer have a subscription. Chris 

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On Saturday, November 3, 2018, 10:42 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
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Practical Sailor did an article on which winch greases performed best.  FEB 2016
If you currently subscribe then you can view the article 
here:https://www.practical-sailor.com/issues/37_70/features/Winch-Grease-Corrosion-Tests_12090-1.html

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I have white lithium grease. Is it waterproof? Chris 


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On Saturday, November 3, 2018, 10:08 PM, John Irvin via CnC-List 
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I use white lithium grease on the bearings, light machine oil on the pawls.

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I’m performing maintenance on my Barient 18 winches and was wondering if there 
was a preferred machine oil and grease? The Lewmar grease seems expensive and 
I’d have to order it. 
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I’m performing maintenance on my Barient 18 winches and was wondering if there 
was a preferred machine oil and grease? The Lewmar grease seems expensive and 
I’d have to order it. 
Chris 

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Re: Stus-List GPS mount swing arm

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Yes, that was my initial thought. I’ve got depth and speed on that side but I 
think I can squeeze the mount close to the companionway opening. I think the 
Ram is the way to go but they are a bit unsightly IMHO
I looked into some small monitor mounts at Walmart that might work 


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On Thursday, November 1, 2018, 1:58 PM, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Chris, I'd be careful with electronics being too close to a compass as that can 
cause deviation.  Could you mount on the starboard side, away from the compass? 
  -- Forwarded message --
From: Chris Graham 
To: 
Cc: 
Bcc: 
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 16:27:46 + (UTC)
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS mount swing arm
Hi Jeremy!!
I have a Tiller. I was thinking port side as well. My compass is mounted on 
that side but that shouldn’t be an issue, correct?
Thanks for the pics! I’ll check them out now!
Chris 


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On Thursday, November 1, 2018, 12:22 PM, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Chris,
Do you have a tiller or wheel?
For my tiller boat I put a beefy RAM Mount on the cockpit's port bulk head, 
replacing some old/broken instruments.  Some pics of the before and after here 
on this Flickr album:
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmuTuHzS

Cheers,  Jeremy


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Hi Jeremy!!
I have a Tiller. I was thinking port side as well. My compass is mounted on 
that side but that shouldn’t be an issue, correct?
Thanks for the pics! I’ll check them out now!
Chris 


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On Thursday, November 1, 2018, 12:22 PM, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Chris,
Do you have a tiller or wheel?
For my tiller boat I put a beefy RAM Mount on the cockpit's port bulk head, 
replacing some old/broken instruments.  Some pics of the before and after here 
on this Flickr album:
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmuTuHzS

Cheers,  Jeremy
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From: Chris Graham 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: 
Bcc: 
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 13:10:19 + (UTC)
Subject: Stus-List GPS mount swing arm
Good morning!
Didn't know if any of you might have some suggestions for a good swing arm 
mount for my GPS chart plotter? I'm considering the RAM Mounts but boy are they 
expensive! Are there any other models out there that might be a bit more 
reasonable in price? The Rams do look quite sturdy and mounting them looks 
quite straight forward.
Chris
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Re: Stus-List Gps mount swing arm

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 Hi Len! I'm trying to figure out how that works...lolLooks damned solid 
though!!
Chris 
On Thursday, November 1, 2018, 11:01:34 AM EDT, Len Mitchell via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Chris, I have a swing arm in my box of boat hardware. I will pm a pic and if 
you want to pay the shipping cost, it is yours! My plotter is permanently 
mounted and I will never use it. 
Len Mitchell 
Crazy Legs
Midland On

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Good morning!
Didn't know if any of you might have some suggestions for a good swing arm 
mount for my GPS chart plotter? I'm considering the RAM Mounts but boy are they 
expensive! Are there any other models out there that might be a bit more 
reasonable in price? The Rams do look quite sturdy and mounting them looks 
quite straight forward.
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[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Please forgive me for joining the group late. I am sure this has been covered 
ad nauseam! But I have a quick question about my HIN#, specifically the last 
four digits/letters which end in M78E. I understand that 78 is the production 
year but  have no idea what the M/E stand for? 
Thanks so muchChris 78 C&C 26 Papillon
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Re: Stus-List Re chart plotter night mode

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 Maybe a tinted lexan screen could be used to drop the intensity down?
On Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 9:39:48 AM EDT, Robert Gallagher via 
CnC-List  wrote:  
 
 Most of you probably know this but for those who have not experienced night 
mode, it can be confusing. The areas that are light/bright become dark and vise 
versa.  This could  make navigation confusing if one is unaware of the change 
or not accustomed to it.In well marked channels one is looking for aids to 
navigation and “stayin in the dotted lines“ (so to speak). In areas of large 
shallows, with few or no no aids to nav, following lines of demarcation with 
reversed colored/shaded  areas could be dangerous until one gets used to it.
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Re: Stus-List diesel engine staring procedure

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This is great, thanks so much Jeremy!Chris 


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On Tuesday, October 23, 2018, 6:16 PM, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Chris,
I don't know about your specific engine but for my old Yanmar 2QM20 with no 
glow plug I put the throttle to greater than 1/2, turn it over and she starts.  
I'll then throttle down to idle put her in forward and give it a nice warm up 
under load.   
To stop it, as advised in the users manual, I throttle down until it stalls 
then turn off the key to stop the buzzing.  I do have a decompression handle 
but I never use it and I'm able to start in below freezing temperatures; 
however, I'll often run my diesel heater in the cabin a bit first to warm up 
the boat before starting in the really cold.
Before I knew to put the throttle up so high to start it I burnt out the old 
starter trying to start on a cold day.  After that, I replaced with a new 
starter and beefed up the wires form the battery to the starter.  Now she 
starts no problem.
Cheers,  Jeremy
 






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 wrote:

Hi Chris, On my girlfriend's boat, she has the same engine. When starting we 
set the throttle to about 1/4 to 1/3 then start cranking. Sometimes I'll engage 
the compression release to get the engine spinning a little faster (about 10 
secs) then release it. Another thing we do is flush the engine with fresh water 
before putting the boat to bed. Hope this helps. 
 Original message --------From: Chris Graham via CnC-List 
Date: 10/22/18 09:38 (GMT-08:00)To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: Chris Graham Subject: Stus-List 
diesel engine staring procedure
I have a quick question about the specifics of starting a Yanmar SB8 single 
cylinder engine. The previous owner also disconnected the kill switch and 
turned off the engine with the key so i want to reattach the cable this spring.
Is there a specific amount of throttle to set it at prior to turning it over? I 
think I remember by old Volvo-Penta had to be positioned at 3/4 open and then 
immediately dropped down to idle once the engine turned over. 
anything special I need to know? No real information out there and the old 
service manuals are pretty much impossible to locate at this point.
Thanks for your suggestionsChris

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Omg! Perfect!! 
This is perfect. Thanks so much. Now I just have to figure out where the 
compression release is 😬😳😉
I’ll figure it out. We flushed it with fresh water followed by RV pink anti 
freeze 
Flushing it is a great suggestion
Chris 


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On Monday, October 22, 2018, 5:51 PM, svrebeccaleah via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Chris, On my girlfriend's boat, she has the same engine. When starting we 
set the throttle to about 1/4 to 1/3 then start cranking. Sometimes I'll engage 
the compression release to get the engine spinning a little faster (about 10 
secs) then release it. Another thing we do is flush the engine with fresh water 
before putting the boat to bed. Hope this helps. 
Doug Mountjoy Sv Rebecca Leah LF39Port Orchard YC. WA




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 Date: 10/22/18 09:38 (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Chris Graham  Subject: 
Stus-List diesel engine staring procedure 
I have a quick question about the specifics of starting a Yanmar SB8 single 
cylinder engine. The previous owner also disconnected the kill switch and 
turned off the engine with the key so i want to reattach the cable this spring.
Is there a specific amount of throttle to set it at prior to turning it over? I 
think I remember by old Volvo-Penta had to be positioned at 3/4 open and then 
immediately dropped down to idle once the engine turned over. 
anything special I need to know? No real information out there and the old 
service manuals are pretty much impossible to locate at this point.
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I have a quick question about the specifics of starting a Yanmar SB8 single 
cylinder engine. The previous owner also disconnected the kill switch and 
turned off the engine with the key so i want to reattach the cable this spring.
Is there a specific amount of throttle to set it at prior to turning it over? I 
think I remember by old Volvo-Penta had to be positioned at 3/4 open and then 
immediately dropped down to idle once the engine turned over. 
anything special I need to know? No real information out there and the old 
service manuals are pretty much impossible to locate at this point.
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] inexpensive chartplotter

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This is great information!!! Thanks so much!!Chris 


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On Saturday, October 20, 2018, 10:31 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:

There are many inexpensive AIS receivers that send out WiFi nmea that you can 
use wirelessly on your Android with Open CPN and other programs.  The cheapest 
I know of is QK-A026 Wireless AIS+GPS Receiver (7 Reviews)
QK-A026 Wireless AIS+GPS Receiver ,AIS receiver,GPS receiver,NMEA-0183 message 
output,Boat/Yacht/Ship/Marine Electronics,QK-A026
Designed by Quark-elec, Ships from United KingdomPreviousNext$125.99$94.49
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I have a 10 inch samsung with Opencpn and have opencpn on my sam phone. I would 
like to get ais as well , can I do that with my tablet? I have an old green 
screen Raytheon radar and would like something newer but this unit is working 
ok so that is on the back burner. I also have  a Dell laptop that is running an 
old program that I really like called Chartview. I can download govt. Charts 
for free. So far I haven't found a program that I like better and with new 
updated charts I guess it's as good as most of the new things out there now. I 
like it more than Opencpn probably because I'm so used to it.
Gary Kolc "Liberty" 38' MK II


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 Date: 10/19/18 9:00 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 
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Stus-List [EXTERNAL]    inexpensive chartplotter 
I use a laptop with free OpenCPN at home for planning cruises.  It has a full 
library of NOAA raster charts identical to paper.  I have a GNSS puck plugged 
into computer which gives me foreign satellite systems as well as US GPS.  It 
is remarkable at $19.95.  I also have a small Daisy AIS receiver attached $69.  
On my IPhone I have PlantoNav with cmap charts.  Works well. On my Android I 
have OpenCPN.  It can receive WiFi input for AIS and down load grib charts if 
in internet range.   OpenCPN does not run on IPad.  At the helm of the boat I 
have a Garmin 74 series chart plotter.  Under $500. It’s 7 inches and readable 
under all conditions.  I have a daisy two channel AIS receiver attached that 
works beautifully.  $89. It’s has its own rail mounted antenna and picks up 
boats up to 15 miles away. Garmin Vector charts.  My mast top vhf antenna 
doubles as a 2 meter ham antenna.  If I had unlimited budget I’d get a multi 
function display and nmea 2000 network for all devices including radar.  I 
currently have a dedicated Raytheon radar non digital.  Never use it.  Jerry 
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] inexpensive chartplotter

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Thanks John 😉👍🏻


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Wow, that’s a lot to take in for sure! 
 
I have Raymarine  C90W on Halcyon,see a lot of those out there,  however my 
Center Console has a small Simrad  Go7 that came with the boat Talk about 
simple ! very user friendly 3-4 years old  so they bout give em away !😊 
 
  
 
John Conklin
 
  
 
  
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Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] inexpensive chartplotter 
Is this for helm mounting or at the chart table?
 
I have an old Standard-Horizon CP180 at the helm, a laptop running OpenCPN at 
the chart table, iNav-X running on an old iPad I can carry around, plus 
Navionics on my phone.
 
Here is my rundown:
 
Computer with OpenCPN – Absolutely blows everything else away. Large beautiful 
display, easy to use, and free! (software) The drawbacks are high power 
consumption, not visible from the helm, and not as rugged as marine hardware.
 
CP180 – This is right at the helm. Daylight readable display, low power 
consumption, and waterproof are all to the good plus I can watch it and steer 
at the same time. The drawbacks are mainly that you have to buy the chart 
cartridge and the screen is tiny compared to a 15” laptop display. The AIS 
target display is not nearly as nice as OpenCPN.
 
iPad – I got a free old iPad from a family member who upgraded. I hooked up a 
wifi gateway to my NMEA bus and the iPad picks up the GPS and AIS info. 
Navionics does not do AIS, so I had to go with iNavX. Mixed feelings about this 
one. The display is much bigger than a phone, which is nice. iNavX is IMHO a 
crude and klugey app compared to Navionics, but it does get the data for AIS 
target display. The iPad is not able to get wet nor is it very good in sunlight.
 
iPhone – I love my Navionics app. It does not do AIS (dang!), but it is an 
excellent nav program. I wouldn’t want to rely on my phone, it is not 
waterproof and full time GPS use runs the battery down, but most of us have a 
smart phones anyway, I can’t see any reason NOT to have a nav program and you 
have it with you on other boats.
 
  
 
For buying new, there are a fair number of small/medium sized plotters 
available from Garmin, Lowrance, Raymarine, Sitex, etc.  My advice would be try 
them in the store and zoom in on a tricky area you would need the plotter for. 
My “torture test” is Kent Narrows. Some of the plotters were terrible zoomed in 
and some were good. Also note the “free” charts included are one thing and then 
you may be able to buy better charts with more detail. If you plan on a network 
of devices, now this is an entirely different deal because everything needs to 
work together.
 
Joe
 
Coquina
 
C&C 35 MK I
 
  
 
  
 
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List inexpensive chartplotter
 
  
 
So I'm a bit torn over what to do here, the boat has a mount for an iPad and 
the past owner use the iPad with Navigation apps and I am tempted to go that 
rou

Re: Stus-List inexpensive chartplotter

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That looks nice Joel!! 


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 2:02 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
 wrote:

one option:

https://www.thegpsstore.com/Raymarine-a78-Refurbished-GPS-Fishfinder-with-Transducer-and-Charts-P5712.aspx


On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 1:53 PM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
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Thanks Josh!!C


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 1:39 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I'm quite satisfied with the functionality of my Garmin 182c.  They can be 
found on ebay for pretty cheap.  To simplify installation I suggest finding one 
with an integrated GPS antenna...or buying the integrated antenna separately.  
I think $200 would probably be a fair-ish price.  Watch ebay.  You'll also need 
the correct map "card" for your area.  If you start looking for something that 
interfaces with n2k or radar this is not the product for you.  Besides that I 
think it is great!  You can always use iPhone/android as a backup/alternative.  
For Android I like MX Mariner. 
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F273409756907

Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+Solomons, MD

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wrote:

So I'm a bit torn over what to do here, the boat has a mount for an iPad and 
the past owner use the iPad with Navigation apps and I am tempted to go that 
route, but I know that iPads have their drawbacks with visibility due to glare, 
limited functions and are not designed to withstand the harsh elements of the 
marine environment.
I really don't need much so I am probably leaning toward the ipad due to cost, 
but if I were to consider a small dependable unit what suggestions might you 
have for me? There are too many choices to scroll through on the internet and 
it leaves me more confused than when I first started the search. What models 
have you had success with?
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Thanks Josh!!C


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 1:39 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I'm quite satisfied with the functionality of my Garmin 182c.  They can be 
found on ebay for pretty cheap.  To simplify installation I suggest finding one 
with an integrated GPS antenna...or buying the integrated antenna separately.  
I think $200 would probably be a fair-ish price.  Watch ebay.  You'll also need 
the correct map "card" for your area.  If you start looking for something that 
interfaces with n2k or radar this is not the product for you.  Besides that I 
think it is great!  You can always use iPhone/android as a backup/alternative.  
For Android I like MX Mariner. 
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F273409756907

Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+Solomons, MD

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wrote:

So I'm a bit torn over what to do here, the boat has a mount for an iPad and 
the past owner use the iPad with Navigation apps and I am tempted to go that 
route, but I know that iPads have their drawbacks with visibility due to glare, 
limited functions and are not designed to withstand the harsh elements of the 
marine environment.
I really don't need much so I am probably leaning toward the ipad due to cost, 
but if I were to consider a small dependable unit what suggestions might you 
have for me? There are too many choices to scroll through on the internet and 
it leaves me more confused than when I first started the search. What models 
have you had success with?
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Re: Stus-List inexpensive chartplotter

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These are great prices and pint well taken!! 
I hang off a ball for $160 per season for a reason lol 
Chris ;)


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 10:34 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Chris,
I use to think that what mattered was what one’s needs were.  Day and weekend 
sailing have different needs than offshore and long distance cruising.  I 
purchased my first C&C for $5k, and no way in hell would I justify spending 
$1,500 - $2,500 on a chart plotter.  I used a laptop, handheld GPS,  iPad, and 
finally ended up mainly using my iPhone and a cheap fish finder.    
I currently have a decent chart plotter, and I love it.  I still keep the 
iPhone handy, in fact my chart plotter has WiFi and I use the iPhone Navionics 
app to simply sync Navionics maps and routes on the chart plotter.  The main 
benefits of a plotter is that they are environmentally robust and always 
active. Some may say I’ve had too much of the cool aid, as I have  AIS-VHF, 
wind, speed, depth, and autopilot all connected, but I enjoy all the features 
and more importantly enjoy not worrying about massive sheets of water from a 
bow wave soaking the cockpit.  At the end of the day, just rinse and repeat.
But while chart plotters were very expensive, as Fred points out, prices now 
are very reasonable. The low coast along with functionality and added features, 
 makes using a dedicated tablet no longer a cost advantage.  Tablets do make 
for good back ups or along with smart phone, make good "personal plotters”.   
When a plotters costs about as much as a monthly slip fee what’s the point in 
going cheaper.  Case in point,  check out these deals (link below) for a 9” 
Garmin echoMap CHIRP Mid-Band/ClearVu/SidVu and US BlueCharts for just $570!   
If that’s too much, check out the Raymarine a78 7” MFD Touchscreen with CHIRP 
DownVision™ and ClearPulse™ Digital Sonar for only $370. 
https://www.imarineusa.com/garmin010-01805-01.aspxhttps://www.imarineusa.com/RaymarineE70202.aspx



-
Paul E.1981 C&C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL
http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:13:27 + (UTC)
From: Chris Graham 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List inexpensive chartplotter
Message-ID: <315634372.98516.1539951207...@mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

So I'm a bit torn over what to do here, the boat has a mount for an iPad and 
the past owner use the iPad with Navigation apps and I am tempted to go that 
route, but I know that iPads have their drawbacks with visibility due to glare, 
limited functions and are not designed to withstand the harsh elements of the 
marine environment.
I really don't need much so I am probably leaning toward the ipad due to cost, 
but if I were to consider a small dependable unit what suggestions might you 
have for me? There are too many choices to scroll through on the internet and 
it leaves me more confused than when I first started the search. What models 
have you had success with?

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Re: Stus-List inexpensive chartplotter

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 Thank you Dennis!I've got the hand held, up to date charts, have the iPhone 
which will have charts downloaded shortly. Guess Im leaning toward the 
Android...but i will talk with Fred about options!Chris
On Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:19:33 AM EDT, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Don't know how you're going to use your boat but if you ever get caught in a 
storm or an unexpected fog, you'll appreciated a dedicated marine GPS at the 
helm.  In my opinion, there are places on a boat to save money but navigation 
is not one of them.
I have bought from Fred and he's not only reasonable but very helpful and 
knowledgeable.  As others have said, there are nice reasonably priced units out 
there.  I've found thegpsstore.com and Hodges Marine have decent pricing.
There are used units on eBay but you need to know what you're buying.  For 
instance, there's a couple out there now, but they don't have the power cable, 
etc.
Whatever you buy, you can always take it to the next boat.
I guess I'm a bit anal when it comes to navigation.  I kinda like knowing where 
I am.  I have a chartplotter at the helm and another at the navstation.  I have 
a switch for selecting which unit is interfaced with the boat's autosteerer, 
instruments, etc.  I also have Navionics on my iPhone, OpenCPN on an Android 
tablet and a small text only handheld GPS so consider my system a bit 
multiplicative.
I will ditto comments on OpenCPN running on Android.  It's a decent system and 
probably the least expensive way to go.  Once you download the free charts and 
set it up, it works well.  Cheap, used and refurbished Android tablets are 
plentiful.  Amazon has several refurbished Samsung Tabs under $200.
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 Thanks Ed!!Chris
On Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:18:34 AM EDT, Edward Levert via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 In July, I bought a Raymarine a78 plotter, a close out for $300 from 
Raymarine. I have Raymarine instruments but the main selling point was the 
Raymarine brand (Lighthouse) charts which are based on NOAA charts which I grew 
up with. Navionics and C-Charts are options. I am happy with it and it has more 
functions than I will ever use. 
In researching, it seemed to me that the emphasis for plotters was as fish 
finders. Someone pointed out to me that as long as the chart chip is current, 
you are good to go and don't need the latest bell or whistle.
Ed LevertC&C 34 Briar PatchNew Orleans 

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 Perfect!I'll check that out ASUS...gotchaChris
On Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:11:21 AM EDT, Dan via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 I think I only got the 16 gb, but I'd have to check. I only use mine for 
navionics, so it I didn't need a tonne of capacity for just charts. If you plan 
to do other things with it and download movies or something I would spring for 
more capacity.ASUS is a good brand, but you'd be fine with a samsung or any 
other Android brand - they're all pretty much the same. Walmart has a few on 
display to test out for touch and screen brightness which plays a big role. You 
may want to pick up an external battery as well (sold at gas stations, or just 
about anywhere these days) so you don't have to remove the tablet from the 
binnacle when the power gets low.
Dan

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:04 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

How many GB’s on your Acer? Looks like Walmart is phasing the brand out or 
something? 


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:59 AM, Daniel Cormier via CnC-List 
 wrote:

No, Navionics isn’t free. I paid about $60 to have the 64 bit version app on my 
tablet through the App Store, then the charts for eastern North America were 
another $15 or so (last year)
Dan

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On Oct 19, 2018, at 9:46 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:


What do the nsvionics charts cost these days? The previous owner said he 
downloaded them for free!?!? 


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:43 AM, Dan via CnC-List  
wrote:

I bought an ASUS tablet with the 10" screen at Walmart for just over $200 on 
sale.
Dan

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:37 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
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👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Any suggestions on androids? :)


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:34 AM, Dan via CnC-List  
wrote:

I bought 2 waterproof bags for my android tablet - one on Amazon for about $12, 
the other at the dollar store (here in canada) for about $4 - both keep the 
weather out just fine :)
glad to help!Dan

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:30 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 Thanks Dan!
I had planned to use Navionics! Great suggestion on the android! I have an old 
iPad but I'm not convinced it has enough memory to run modern chart software. 
I'd go with an android for sure. Someone must make a waterproof case for such 
units...no?  :)
I always have paper charts and plotting tools (I actually love dead reckoning, 
etc...) a bit of a geek I suppose but I really do love that aspect to 
navigation and sailing.
Great suggestion to have it on the iphone as well! I have a hand held Garmin 
GPS that I bring aboard so I should be good with backups!
I've never owned a chartplotter. Always had a hand held GPS unit and used paper 
maps for the past 30+ years. Time to creep into the 21st century I suppose. LOL
Chris


On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:24:12 AM EDT, Dan via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Chris,Don't overspend on and Ipad if you're running Navionics or Open 
Plotter - Both support Android Tablets and for less than half the cost of an 
Ipad you can get an Android tablet with a 10" or 12" screen. I throw mine in a 
waterproof bag with a clear screen or large zip lock on foul weather days and 
the touch screen works through the bag so your gold. The glare isn't great when 
the sun is directly on it but that's not an everyday thing either. On my old 
boat I just used my Iphone with Navionics.

That said, and I'm sure you don't need to be told that having backups for 
digital plotters of any kind is essential.I have Nav software on both my tablet 
and my phone, plus I run open plotter in at the NAV station with GPS, charts 
and AIS, etc. and carry paper charts for backup whenever possible.
DanBreakaweighC&C44Halifax, NS

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:14 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

So I'm a bit torn over what to do here, the boat has a mount for an iPad and 
the past owner use the iPad with Navigation apps and I am tempted to go that 
route, but I know that iPads have their drawbacks with visibility due to glare, 
limited functions and are not designed to withstand the harsh elements of the 
marine environment.
I really don't need much so I am probably leaning toward the ipad due to cost, 
but if I were to consider a small dependable unit what suggestions might you 
have for me? There are too many choices to scroll through on the internet and 
it leaves me more confused than when I first started the search. What models 
have you had success with?
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[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Very relative Lee! 
I’d like to keep it around or below $400 if possible. Plenty of used models 
available but I worry that I wouldn’t be able to get new cards for them 


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:01 AM, Lee Rosenbaum via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Chris:

Inexpensive is relative.
I installed a B&G Vulcan Chart Plotter 3 years ago and it is fantastic.
It is truly designed for the sailor.  Pulls in all my other wind & boat data
as well.

Lee
Kookaburra
1985 C&C 33 MKII
Kenosha, WI

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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:13:27 + (UTC)
From: Chris Graham 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List inexpensive chartplotter
Message-ID: <315634372.98516.1539951207...@mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

So I'm a bit torn over what to do here, the boat has a mount for an iPad and
the past owner use the iPad with Navigation apps and I am tempted to go that
route, but I know that iPads have their drawbacks with visibility due to
glare, limited functions and are not designed to withstand the harsh
elements of the marine environment.
I really don't need much so I am probably leaning toward the ipad due to
cost, but if I were to consider a small dependable unit what suggestions
might you have for me? There are too many choices to scroll through on the
internet and it leaves me more confused than when I first started the
search. What models have you had success with?
Chris


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[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

How many GB’s on your Acer? Looks like Walmart is phasing the brand out or 
something? 


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:59 AM, Daniel Cormier via CnC-List 
 wrote:

No, Navionics isn’t free. I paid about $60 to have the 64 bit version app on my 
tablet through the App Store, then the charts for eastern North America were 
another $15 or so (last year)
Dan

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On Oct 19, 2018, at 9:46 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:


What do the nsvionics charts cost these days? The previous owner said he 
downloaded them for free!?!? 


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:43 AM, Dan via CnC-List  
wrote:

I bought an ASUS tablet with the 10" screen at Walmart for just over $200 on 
sale.
Dan

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:37 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
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👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Any suggestions on androids? :)


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:34 AM, Dan via CnC-List  
wrote:

I bought 2 waterproof bags for my android tablet - one on Amazon for about $12, 
the other at the dollar store (here in canada) for about $4 - both keep the 
weather out just fine :)
glad to help!Dan

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:30 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 Thanks Dan!
I had planned to use Navionics! Great suggestion on the android! I have an old 
iPad but I'm not convinced it has enough memory to run modern chart software. 
I'd go with an android for sure. Someone must make a waterproof case for such 
units...no?  :)
I always have paper charts and plotting tools (I actually love dead reckoning, 
etc...) a bit of a geek I suppose but I really do love that aspect to 
navigation and sailing.
Great suggestion to have it on the iphone as well! I have a hand held Garmin 
GPS that I bring aboard so I should be good with backups!
I've never owned a chartplotter. Always had a hand held GPS unit and used paper 
maps for the past 30+ years. Time to creep into the 21st century I suppose. LOL
Chris


On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:24:12 AM EDT, Dan via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Chris,Don't overspend on and Ipad if you're running Navionics or Open 
Plotter - Both support Android Tablets and for less than half the cost of an 
Ipad you can get an Android tablet with a 10" or 12" screen. I throw mine in a 
waterproof bag with a clear screen or large zip lock on foul weather days and 
the touch screen works through the bag so your gold. The glare isn't great when 
the sun is directly on it but that's not an everyday thing either. On my old 
boat I just used my Iphone with Navionics.

That said, and I'm sure you don't need to be told that having backups for 
digital plotters of any kind is essential.I have Nav software on both my tablet 
and my phone, plus I run open plotter in at the NAV station with GPS, charts 
and AIS, etc. and carry paper charts for backup whenever possible.
DanBreakaweighC&C44Halifax, NS

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:14 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

So I'm a bit torn over what to do here, the boat has a mount for an iPad and 
the past owner use the iPad with Navigation apps and I am tempted to go that 
route, but I know that iPads have their drawbacks with visibility due to glare, 
limited functions and are not designed to withstand the harsh elements of the 
marine environment.
I really don't need much so I am probably leaning toward the ipad due to cost, 
but if I were to consider a small dependable unit what suggestions might you 
have for me? There are too many choices to scroll through on the internet and 
it leaves me more confused than when I first started the search. What models 
have you had success with?
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Re: Stus-List inexpensive chartplotter

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Oh wow!! Thanks Fred! Will do! Really wanted to keep it around $400 or so Chris 


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:42 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Chris — once you’ve decided on a make/model but before you purchase, please 
email me — as you’re new to the list, you probably aren’t aware of this, but I 
used to design and install marine electronics and electrical systems for a 
living.  I’ve kept my vendor relationships active, and offer discount pricing 
(pretty much dealer cost) to people on the C&C list as a courtesy.  I can get 
most manufacturers’ gear (not B&G…) at good pricing; for instance, your cost on 
the lowest-end Raymarine Axiom 7” plotter with Navionics+ US/Canada charts 
would be $780.00 plus shipping (list $899.99).  Email me off-list.
— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Oct 19, 2018, at 7:31 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:
 I've seen a few of those listed. I'll check out prices!
On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:30:41 AM EDT, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 I installed a Si-Tex chartplotter on my last boat.  I used it for a few 
years before selling the boat and it was fine.  I think the 7" version 
was 1/2 the price of the 7" Raymarine.  I think it was about $600

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Re: Stus-List inexpensive chartplotter

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What do the nsvionics charts cost these days? The previous owner said he 
downloaded them for free!?!? 


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:43 AM, Dan via CnC-List  
wrote:

I bought an ASUS tablet with the 10" screen at Walmart for just over $200 on 
sale.
Dan

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:37 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
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👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Any suggestions on androids? :)


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:34 AM, Dan via CnC-List  
wrote:

I bought 2 waterproof bags for my android tablet - one on Amazon for about $12, 
the other at the dollar store (here in canada) for about $4 - both keep the 
weather out just fine :)
glad to help!Dan

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:30 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 Thanks Dan!
I had planned to use Navionics! Great suggestion on the android! I have an old 
iPad but I'm not convinced it has enough memory to run modern chart software. 
I'd go with an android for sure. Someone must make a waterproof case for such 
units...no?  :)
I always have paper charts and plotting tools (I actually love dead reckoning, 
etc...) a bit of a geek I suppose but I really do love that aspect to 
navigation and sailing.
Great suggestion to have it on the iphone as well! I have a hand held Garmin 
GPS that I bring aboard so I should be good with backups!
I've never owned a chartplotter. Always had a hand held GPS unit and used paper 
maps for the past 30+ years. Time to creep into the 21st century I suppose. LOL
Chris


On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:24:12 AM EDT, Dan via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Chris,Don't overspend on and Ipad if you're running Navionics or Open 
Plotter - Both support Android Tablets and for less than half the cost of an 
Ipad you can get an Android tablet with a 10" or 12" screen. I throw mine in a 
waterproof bag with a clear screen or large zip lock on foul weather days and 
the touch screen works through the bag so your gold. The glare isn't great when 
the sun is directly on it but that's not an everyday thing either. On my old 
boat I just used my Iphone with Navionics.

That said, and I'm sure you don't need to be told that having backups for 
digital plotters of any kind is essential.I have Nav software on both my tablet 
and my phone, plus I run open plotter in at the NAV station with GPS, charts 
and AIS, etc. and carry paper charts for backup whenever possible.
DanBreakaweighC&C44Halifax, NS

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:14 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

So I'm a bit torn over what to do here, the boat has a mount for an iPad and 
the past owner use the iPad with Navigation apps and I am tempted to go that 
route, but I know that iPads have their drawbacks with visibility due to glare, 
limited functions and are not designed to withstand the harsh elements of the 
marine environment.
I really don't need much so I am probably leaning toward the ipad due to cost, 
but if I were to consider a small dependable unit what suggestions might you 
have for me? There are too many choices to scroll through on the internet and 
it leaves me more confused than when I first started the search. What models 
have you had success with?
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Re: Stus-List inexpensive chartplotter

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Omg!! That’s great!


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:43 AM, Dan via CnC-List  
wrote:

I bought an ASUS tablet with the 10" screen at Walmart for just over $200 on 
sale.
Dan

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:37 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Any suggestions on androids? :)


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:34 AM, Dan via CnC-List  
wrote:

I bought 2 waterproof bags for my android tablet - one on Amazon for about $12, 
the other at the dollar store (here in canada) for about $4 - both keep the 
weather out just fine :)
glad to help!Dan

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:30 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 Thanks Dan!
I had planned to use Navionics! Great suggestion on the android! I have an old 
iPad but I'm not convinced it has enough memory to run modern chart software. 
I'd go with an android for sure. Someone must make a waterproof case for such 
units...no?  :)
I always have paper charts and plotting tools (I actually love dead reckoning, 
etc...) a bit of a geek I suppose but I really do love that aspect to 
navigation and sailing.
Great suggestion to have it on the iphone as well! I have a hand held Garmin 
GPS that I bring aboard so I should be good with backups!
I've never owned a chartplotter. Always had a hand held GPS unit and used paper 
maps for the past 30+ years. Time to creep into the 21st century I suppose. LOL
Chris


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 wrote:  
 
 Hi Chris,Don't overspend on and Ipad if you're running Navionics or Open 
Plotter - Both support Android Tablets and for less than half the cost of an 
Ipad you can get an Android tablet with a 10" or 12" screen. I throw mine in a 
waterproof bag with a clear screen or large zip lock on foul weather days and 
the touch screen works through the bag so your gold. The glare isn't great when 
the sun is directly on it but that's not an everyday thing either. On my old 
boat I just used my Iphone with Navionics.

That said, and I'm sure you don't need to be told that having backups for 
digital plotters of any kind is essential.I have Nav software on both my tablet 
and my phone, plus I run open plotter in at the NAV station with GPS, charts 
and AIS, etc. and carry paper charts for backup whenever possible.
DanBreakaweighC&C44Halifax, NS

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:14 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

So I'm a bit torn over what to do here, the boat has a mount for an iPad and 
the past owner use the iPad with Navigation apps and I am tempted to go that 
route, but I know that iPads have their drawbacks with visibility due to glare, 
limited functions and are not designed to withstand the harsh elements of the 
marine environment.
I really don't need much so I am probably leaning toward the ipad due to cost, 
but if I were to consider a small dependable unit what suggestions might you 
have for me? There are too many choices to scroll through on the internet and 
it leaves me more confused than when I first started the search. What models 
have you had success with?
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Re: Stus-List inexpensive chartplotter

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Thanks Marek!!
So many choices out there. Having never used a chart Potter before I’m not even 
sure where to begin or what to look for necessarily. It’s a bit overwhelming


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:32 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Chris, I had a lot of success with Garmin in other applications, so I stayed 
with that company and selected a GPSMAP 421s (no available anymore). But 
generally, if you want a low cost chartplotter, you should be fine with any of 
the low end GPSMAP or Striker models (a Striker 5 DV could be had for $250).  
If you, however, have the Raymarine instruments already, you would be much 
better off staying with that company for the ease of connecting all your 
systems together. Btw. my experience with iPads is not that great – in the sun 
you have to be at an exact spot in order to see the screen (and I won’t even 
mention their resistance to elements). On top of that, if you sail in any real 
weather, you would probably prefer a unit with discrete controls (not touch 
screen) – wet hands and gloves don’t work so well on a touch screen. Btw 2. the 
cost of an iPad is much higher than almost any reasonable chartplotter (unless 
you consider the iPad cost as “sunk costs” already). Marek From: Chris Graham 
via CnC-ListSent: Friday, October 19, 2018 08:14To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: 
Chris Graham Subject: Stus-List inexpensive chartplotter So I'm a bit torn over 
what to do here, the boat has a mount for an iPad and the past owner use the 
iPad with Navigation apps and I am tempted to go that route, but I know that 
iPads have their drawbacks with visibility due to glare, limited functions and 
are not designed to withstand the harsh elements of the marine environment. I 
really don't need much so I am probably leaning toward the ipad due to cost, 
but if I were to consider a small dependable unit what suggestions might you 
have for me? There are too many choices to scroll through on the internet and 
it leaves me more confused than when I first started the search. What models 
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Re: Stus-List inexpensive chartplotter

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👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Any suggestions on androids? :)


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On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:34 AM, Dan via CnC-List  
wrote:

I bought 2 waterproof bags for my android tablet - one on Amazon for about $12, 
the other at the dollar store (here in canada) for about $4 - both keep the 
weather out just fine :)
glad to help!Dan

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:30 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 Thanks Dan!
I had planned to use Navionics! Great suggestion on the android! I have an old 
iPad but I'm not convinced it has enough memory to run modern chart software. 
I'd go with an android for sure. Someone must make a waterproof case for such 
units...no?  :)
I always have paper charts and plotting tools (I actually love dead reckoning, 
etc...) a bit of a geek I suppose but I really do love that aspect to 
navigation and sailing.
Great suggestion to have it on the iphone as well! I have a hand held Garmin 
GPS that I bring aboard so I should be good with backups!
I've never owned a chartplotter. Always had a hand held GPS unit and used paper 
maps for the past 30+ years. Time to creep into the 21st century I suppose. LOL
Chris


On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:24:12 AM EDT, Dan via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Chris,Don't overspend on and Ipad if you're running Navionics or Open 
Plotter - Both support Android Tablets and for less than half the cost of an 
Ipad you can get an Android tablet with a 10" or 12" screen. I throw mine in a 
waterproof bag with a clear screen or large zip lock on foul weather days and 
the touch screen works through the bag so your gold. The glare isn't great when 
the sun is directly on it but that's not an everyday thing either. On my old 
boat I just used my Iphone with Navionics.

That said, and I'm sure you don't need to be told that having backups for 
digital plotters of any kind is essential.I have Nav software on both my tablet 
and my phone, plus I run open plotter in at the NAV station with GPS, charts 
and AIS, etc. and carry paper charts for backup whenever possible.
DanBreakaweighC&C44Halifax, NS

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:14 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

So I'm a bit torn over what to do here, the boat has a mount for an iPad and 
the past owner use the iPad with Navigation apps and I am tempted to go that 
route, but I know that iPads have their drawbacks with visibility due to glare, 
limited functions and are not designed to withstand the harsh elements of the 
marine environment.
I really don't need much so I am probably leaning toward the ipad due to cost, 
but if I were to consider a small dependable unit what suggestions might you 
have for me? There are too many choices to scroll through on the internet and 
it leaves me more confused than when I first started the search. What models 
have you had success with?
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Re: Stus-List inexpensive chartplotter

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 I've seen a few of those listed. I'll check out prices!
On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:30:41 AM EDT, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 I installed a Si-Tex chartplotter on my last boat.  I used it for a few 
years before selling the boat and it was fine.  I think the 7" version 
was 1/2 the price of the 7" Raymarine.  I think it was about $600

Danny

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Re: Stus-List inexpensive chartplotter

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

 Thanks Mike!
On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:29:58 AM EDT, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 
We have had luck with the smaller Standard Horizon chartplotters.  On a small 
boat you can install right on the bulkhead ion the cockpit as well.  
Weatherproof and easy to use.  It was a few years ago but at the time was C180 
with internal antenna
 
  
 
Mike
 
Persistence
Halifax
 
  
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Chris Graham 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 9:13 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chris Graham
Subject: Stus-List inexpensive chartplotter
 
  
 
So I'm a bit torn over what to do here, the boat has a mount for an iPad and 
the past owner use the iPad with Navigation apps and I am tempted to go that 
route, but I know that iPads have their drawbacks with visibility due to glare, 
limited functions and are not designed to withstand the harsh elements of the 
marine environment.
 
  
 
I really don't need much so I am probably leaning toward the ipad due to cost, 
but if I were to consider a small dependable unit what suggestions might you 
have for me? There are too many choices to scroll through on the internet and 
it leaves me more confused than when I first started the search. What models 
have you had success with?
 
  
 
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Re: Stus-List inexpensive chartplotter

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 Thanks Dan!
I had planned to use Navionics! Great suggestion on the android! I have an old 
iPad but I'm not convinced it has enough memory to run modern chart software. 
I'd go with an android for sure. Someone must make a waterproof case for such 
units...no?  :)
I always have paper charts and plotting tools (I actually love dead reckoning, 
etc...) a bit of a geek I suppose but I really do love that aspect to 
navigation and sailing.
Great suggestion to have it on the iphone as well! I have a hand held Garmin 
GPS that I bring aboard so I should be good with backups!
I've never owned a chartplotter. Always had a hand held GPS unit and used paper 
maps for the past 30+ years. Time to creep into the 21st century I suppose. LOL
Chris


On Friday, October 19, 2018, 8:24:12 AM EDT, Dan via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Chris,Don't overspend on and Ipad if you're running Navionics or Open 
Plotter - Both support Android Tablets and for less than half the cost of an 
Ipad you can get an Android tablet with a 10" or 12" screen. I throw mine in a 
waterproof bag with a clear screen or large zip lock on foul weather days and 
the touch screen works through the bag so your gold. The glare isn't great when 
the sun is directly on it but that's not an everyday thing either. On my old 
boat I just used my Iphone with Navionics.

That said, and I'm sure you don't need to be told that having backups for 
digital plotters of any kind is essential.I have Nav software on both my tablet 
and my phone, plus I run open plotter in at the NAV station with GPS, charts 
and AIS, etc. and carry paper charts for backup whenever possible.
DanBreakaweighC&C44Halifax, NS

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:14 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

So I'm a bit torn over what to do here, the boat has a mount for an iPad and 
the past owner use the iPad with Navigation apps and I am tempted to go that 
route, but I know that iPads have their drawbacks with visibility due to glare, 
limited functions and are not designed to withstand the harsh elements of the 
marine environment.
I really don't need much so I am probably leaning toward the ipad due to cost, 
but if I were to consider a small dependable unit what suggestions might you 
have for me? There are too many choices to scroll through on the internet and 
it leaves me more confused than when I first started the search. What models 
have you had success with?
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So I'm a bit torn over what to do here, the boat has a mount for an iPad and 
the past owner use the iPad with Navigation apps and I am tempted to go that 
route, but I know that iPads have their drawbacks with visibility due to glare, 
limited functions and are not designed to withstand the harsh elements of the 
marine environment.
I really don't need much so I am probably leaning toward the ipad due to cost, 
but if I were to consider a small dependable unit what suggestions might you 
have for me? There are too many choices to scroll through on the internet and 
it leaves me more confused than when I first started the search. What models 
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Re: Stus-List Plasteak sole

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I’d love to try that on the cabin sole. Wondering if I’d sacrifice what 
precious little headroom I have below decks


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On Thursday, October 18, 2018, 11:41 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I did a deck hatch on a Grand Banks with PlasDek (the exterior version of 
PlasTeak).
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsV2NVZ1hmaGJ6cEU

Good product.  There are others.
Dennis C.
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 10:34 AM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 wrote:


We did the sole on our first C&C, Jubilee, with Plasteak. 




https://www.plasteak.com/plasteak-recycled-plastic-product/teak-holly-flooring-matte-finish





  My first mate did all the research, templating, etc..  I helped with the 
install.  It came out looking very nice.




https://flic.kr/p/29gfKza






Tom BuscagliaS/V Alera 1990 C&C 37+/40Vashon WAP 206.463.9200C 305.409.3660

On Oct 18, 2018, at 7:53 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:


Message: 1
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 10:10:29 -0400
From: cenel...@aol.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Galley countertop
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Along these lines, has anyone on the list done something similar (glued 
laminate?) to refinish a cabin sole? If so, what comments about the job do you 
have.


Thanks,


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Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

 Absolutely!!!


On Thursday, October 18, 2018, 10:45:20 AM EDT, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 
The other help for the Whale is to use it! I found after many years of non-use 
(I use the small electric pump to empty the bilge) the pump and diaphragms had 
dried out. Replaced it and use it every few weeks, just to keep everything 
flexible inside. Can’t give you a long-term success story because the pump is 
only a few years old.

Gary

  

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CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 9:12 AM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

  

Finding a plastic pump with matching bolt pattern is the challenge.  I think 
there are a few.  There's also the issue of freeze protecting a plastic pump 
which may or may not be an issue.

  

Yes, they are expensive but a Whale Gusher may just save you and your boat.

  

BTW, I routinely flush my Gusher with dock water and leave it with dock water 
in it as opposed to leaving salt or brackish water in it for long periods.

  

Dennis C. 

  

On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:56 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
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Easier just to replace the unit? Are they now using composites or still using 
corrosive alloys?? Seems silly not to use composites in this day an age 
particularly around salt water. 

  

Chris 


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On Thursday, October 18, 2018, 8:51 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:


I'll ditto the comments about the alloy corrosion in Whale Gushers.  I've 
replaced the one on Touche' twice in 19 years.  Both times the sealing surface 
for the flapper style check valves were corroded.

  

The last time I disassembled the new pump prior to installation, coated all the 
alloy surfaces with TefGel, reassembled and then installed it.

  

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

  

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 3:54 PM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:


The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be compromised. 
Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a better system 
in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 

Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?

  

Chris 
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Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

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Thanks for the link Neil!!Chris 


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On Thursday, October 18, 2018, 9:14 AM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
 wrote:

https://www.whalepumps.com/marine/product.aspx?Category_ID=10009&Product_ID=10006&FriendlyID=Double-Acting-Mk-5
 
 Neil Gallagher
 Weatherly, 35-1
 Glen Cove, NY
 
 
 On 10/18/2018 8:56 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List wrote:
  
 Easier just to replace the unit? Are they now using composites or still using 
corrosive alloys?? Seems silly not to use composites in this day an age 
particularly around salt water.  
  Chris 
 
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
 
 
On Thursday, October 18, 2018, 8:51 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 
   I'll ditto the comments about the alloy corrosion in Whale Gushers.  I've 
replaced the one on Touche' twice in 19 years.  Both times the sealing surface 
for the flapper style check valves were corroded. 
  The last time I disassembled the new pump prior to installation, coated all 
the alloy surfaces with TefGel, reassembled and then installed it. 
  Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA  
   On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 3:54 PM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:
  
  The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be 
compromised. Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a 
better system in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 
 
 Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’? 
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Great tip!! Thank you Dennis. Got some projects for the spring :) Chris


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On Thursday, October 18, 2018, 9:11 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Finding a plastic pump with matching bolt pattern is the challenge.  I think 
there are a few.  There's also the issue of freeze protecting a plastic pump 
which may or may not be an issue.
Yes, they are expensive but a Whale Gusher may just save you and your boat.
BTW, I routinely flush my Gusher with dock water and leave it with dock water 
in it as opposed to leaving salt or brackish water in it for long periods.
Dennis C. 
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:56 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Easier just to replace the unit? Are they now using composites or still using 
corrosive alloys?? Seems silly not to use composites in this day an age 
particularly around salt water. 
Chris 


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 wrote:

I'll ditto the comments about the alloy corrosion in Whale Gushers.  I've 
replaced the one on Touche' twice in 19 years.  Both times the sealing surface 
for the flapper style check valves were corroded.
The last time I disassembled the new pump prior to installation, coated all the 
alloy surfaces with TefGel, reassembled and then installed it.
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 3:54 PM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be compromised. 
Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a better system 
in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 

Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?
Chris 
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Easier just to replace the unit? Are they now using composites or still using 
corrosive alloys?? Seems silly not to use composites in this day an age 
particularly around salt water. 
Chris 


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On Thursday, October 18, 2018, 8:51 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I'll ditto the comments about the alloy corrosion in Whale Gushers.  I've 
replaced the one on Touche' twice in 19 years.  Both times the sealing surface 
for the flapper style check valves were corroded.
The last time I disassembled the new pump prior to installation, coated all the 
alloy surfaces with TefGel, reassembled and then installed it.
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 3:54 PM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be compromised. 
Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a better system 
in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 

Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?
Chris 
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 Thanks Neil!
I think I've read a few accounts of the metal (be it aluminum or cast) 
deteriorating and causing the failure of the pump seal. I'll definitely have a 
look at that!

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018, 11:12:58 PM EDT, Neil Gallagher via 
CnC-List  wrote:  
 
  Following up on Rick's comment, I found on my Whale Gusher pump that the 
flappers were not working because the internal threads for the screws that hold 
them in place had corroded in the tapped holes in the pump body.  The metal was 
some cast alloy and it wasn't just stripped threads, there was no material left 
to tap oversized threads; in other words, it was junk.  Maybe Devcon would have 
worked, but I replaced it with a plastic body version, works fine.
 
 Neil Gallagher
 Weatherly, 35-1
 Glen Cove, NY
 
 On 10/17/2018 9:17 PM, Chris Graham via CnC-List wrote:
  
 
 That very well could be it Rick!! I haven’t pulled it apart or really gotten 
into it yet and it may need to wait for spring as the days are shorter and the 
snow is on its way.  
  I wasn’t sure if there was a check valve in the system or not and the 
previous owner was unsure. She has a brand new electric bilge pump but not sure 
that has a check valve either. Something I was going to install next season  
  Thanks for the tip. I’ll see what I find :) 
  Chris  
 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
 
 
On Wednesday, October 17, 2018, 9:10 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

I think you might find that the bilge pump you have is a Whale Gusher. At least 
the pump in my 75 vintage 25 mk1 was a Whale.
 
  
 
My problem was not the diaphragm but the flapper valves in the inlet and outlet 
of the pump. They no longer sealed properly  after 25 or 30 years in place. A 
relatively inexpensive rebuild kit and a few hours labor fixed the problem.
 
  
 
On my 25, the pump is mounted on the bottom side of the cockpit sole. The 
hardest part of the repair was crawling down there  to remove the pump and then 
reinstalling it later.
 
  
 
Which reminds me I need to add a pump rebuild to the list of projects on my 38.
 
  
 
Rick Brass
 
Washington, NC
 
  
 
  
 
  

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 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 4:53 PM
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 Cc: Chris Graham 
 Subject: Stus-List Manual bilge
   
  
 
The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be compromised. 
Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a better system 
in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 
 
 Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?
  
  
   
Chris 
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That very well could be it Rick!! I haven’t pulled it apart or really gotten 
into it yet and it may need to wait for spring as the days are shorter and the 
snow is on its way. 
I wasn’t sure if there was a check valve in the system or not and the previous 
owner was unsure. She has a brand new electric bilge pump but not sure that has 
a check valve either. Something I was going to install next season 
Thanks for the tip. I’ll see what I find :)
Chris 
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I think you might find that the bilge pump you have is a Whale Gusher. At least 
the pump in my 75 vintage 25 mk1 was a Whale.

  

My problem was not the diaphragm but the flapper valves in the inlet and outlet 
of the pump. They no longer sealed properly after 25 or 30 years in place. A 
relatively inexpensive rebuild kit and a few hours labor fixed the problem.

  

On my 25, the pump is mounted on the bottom side of the cockpit sole. The 
hardest part of the repair was crawling down there to remove the pump and then 
reinstalling it later.

  

Which reminds me I need to add a pump rebuild to the list of projects on my 38.

  

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

  

  

  

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Cc: Chris Graham 
Subject: Stus-List Manual bilge

  

The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be compromised. 
Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a better system 
in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 

Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?

  

Chris 
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Re: Stus-List Manual bilge

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Lol!!Thanks Steve!!


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On Wednesday, October 17, 2018, 5:34 PM, Steve Staten via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 
I have a 26’. The pump works but I have found that a long manual pump placed in 
the bilge itself with the outflow hose pointed into a nearby 5-gallon bucket 
was less (pumping) work and quicker. Having said that, hauling a five-gallon 
bucket (repeatedly) up the steps in order to dump it into the cockpit provides 
some serious weight lifting exercise. Plus, there is the imperative to not to 
slosh any of the brown water with dead wasps onto the galley area while 
ascending the ladder with the bucket.
 
  
 
Accordingly, choose your preferred form of exercise: outside repetitive arm 
movement or inside lower-back weight lifting.  
 
  
 
Steve Staten
 
“C’ Est La Vie”
 
C&C 26’
 
Langley, Oklahoma
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Thanks Dave, any idea if the stock pump is repairable? I’m fine with it if it is


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On Wednesday, October 17, 2018, 5:16 PM, Dave. via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I have had to replace my manual whale gusher pumps twice over the years. My 
problem was not the diaphragm but the metal itself. I can’t remember for sure 
but I think the housing is aluminum but in any case the salt water erodes the 
metal and the seals no longer seal. Only way to tell is to disassemble the 
pump.Good luck.Dave.SLY 1975 C&C 33


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The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be compromised. 
Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a better system 
in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 

Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?
Chris 
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The diaphragm on the manual bilge pump in the cockpit seems to be compromised. 
Would one try to find a new diaphragm to replace it or install a better system 
in the lazarette, such as a whale or something similar? 

Do they even make replacement diaphragms for a 1978 26’?
Chris 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?

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I looked into the harken systems and surprisingly, they were considerably more 
expensive though their winch prices are more than competitive!! 
I’ve had good luck with both companies :)


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On Monday, October 15, 2018, 5:40 PM, Leslie Paal via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Garhauer will copy the bolt locations onto a new track, free of charge (?) (at 
least it was free when I got mine).  I strongly second the Garhauer 
recommendation, Mine is working fine after more than 12 years.  Though I got 
the same traveler as the Catalina 36, so it does not work at the design limits. 

Garhauer is also heavier than Harken, but you have to have everything else 110% 
perfect for that to make a difference, in racing.

Leslie.
Phoenix C&C32.


On Sat, 10/13/18, Chris Graham via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: "Chris Graham" 
 Date: Saturday, October 13, 2018, 7:27 AM
 
 
 Oh wow!
 I’ll see if I can
 find that and take a look Chris 
 
 
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 On
 Saturday, October 13, 2018, 10:25 AM, Sam Salter via
 CnC-List  wrote:Not necessarily cheap, but Harken
 makes a track that has a longitudinal slot on the underside.
 It fits the head of the installation bolts so they can slide
 anywhere along the track. No filling and redrilling  - they
 can match the original bolt spacing - easy, quick
 install.
 sam
 On Oct 13, 2018, at 7:13 AM, Chris Graham via
 CnC-List 
 wrote:
 
 
 I need to first replace the main traveler system. Any
 suggestions with a system that won’t break the
 bank?
 Chris 
 
 
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 On
 Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:43 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List
 
 wrote:Roller furler - Profurl
 
 sam 
 On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:19 PM, Chris Graham via
 CnC-List 
 wrote:
 
 
 Gotcha! 
 Roller furling or
 hank on Sam?
 
 
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 On
 Friday, October 12, 2018, 7:16 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List
 
 wrote:Chris,
 I meant to say “I upgraded to New
 Dacron sails and changed the Genoa to a 135”
 I might have got a little more speed
 from the folding prop, but the laminate Genoa sets much
 better and allows me to point a little higher. A laminate
 main would improve that some more. And hopefully reduce the
 “bubble” at the luff.
 
 sam
 On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Sam Salter 
 wrote:
 
 Chris,
 When I bought the 26, It came with a
 150 Dacron genoa and a Dacron main. After a few years I
 upgraded to new Dacron sails and changed the main to a 135.
 Later I changed the Genoa to a 135 laminate sail from
 Evolution Sails in Toronto.Both upgrades improved
 performance (after all it is a sail boat), but the laminate
 sail was such a difference that I think I would go with a
 110 if I was doing it again.I still have the new
 Dacron main but I might go with a laminate one
 day. Best upgrades:New
 sailsFolding propSelf
 tailers (The folding prop might have given me
 more speed than the new sails)
 
 sam C&C 26  Liquorice Ghost
 Lake Alberta 
 
 On Oct
 12, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 
 
        Thank you Sam!
 This 26' could be dropped in
 tomorrow. Most issues are cosmetic with the exception of one
 stanchion and either the water fill or septic pump out cap
 (don't want to confuse the  two) LOL So some recoring
 in the spring but I enjoy that kind of work and it really is
 minimal. Other than that, shes good to go.
 Thanks for the input. Main sail has
 two reef points which I am thankful for.
 Chris
 
        
        
            
                
                
                    On Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:46:20 AM
 EDT, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:
                
                
 
                
 
                I have a
 1977 C&C 26.I was looking for a 27 when I bought
 her.The 26 wasn’t raced much; the 27 is still
 competitive!Most (many?) 27’s have been raced
 hard and put away wet.That’s why I bought the
 26 - it was in much better condition than all the 27’s I
 looked at.The 26 is a tender boat!She
 does move quite well in light air.I tend to reef
 early; but she still moves well, even when
 reefed.I lake sail, so not sure what she’d be
 like in a big sea.I’ve had 7.4 knots on
 occasion and high 6’s is fairly regular.She is
 a roomy boat which is nice!I have a Yanmar 2GM20F
 in mine with a Flexofold prop.I’ve done lots of
 upgrades: self trailers / new sails / adjustable Genoa cars
 / ridged vang / etc., etc..I like the cockpit
 size and tiller steering up close to the companionway with
 the genoa trimmer behind on the winches.She’s a
 good, solid boat compared to the Hunters and Catalina’s on
 the lake.Don’t buy a project boat - get one you
 can sail away!Upgrades are much more fun than
 repairs.I see too many project boats that never
 get in the water.
 
 sam C$C 26
  Liquorice Ghost Lake
 Alberta 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Thanks Spencer!! I’ll call him this week Chris 


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On Monday, October 15, 2018, 3:18 PM, ssjohnson via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Sent Guido my old traveler...he matched up all the screw holes...all fit 
perfectly.  I did have to get new machine screws cut down with my dremel 
cut-off wheel.  The car was modified to fit in the existing traveler track.
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Thanks Leslie :) Chris 


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On Sunday, October 14, 2018, 2:46 PM, Leslie Paal via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I second your thoughts about 'smaller'.  I traded up from a 25 to a 32, because 
of my (ex)wife.  While I truly enjoy the 32, it is is a nice boat, I wish I 
kept the 25.  Just the right size for coastal cruising, including Catalina Is.  
The 32 is more comfortable, no question.  But it is just that much more work.

Leslie.
Phoenix C&C32
was Navigo2 C&C25


On Thu, 10/11/18, Chris Graham via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?
 To: "Richard Bush via CnC-List" 
 Cc: "Chris Graham" 
 Date: Thursday, October 11, 2018, 6:53 AM
 
 
        I really do appreciate the feedback and
 encouragement. I watched my father-in-law sell his beloved
 27' to move up to a 34' to appease his wife who
 complained that she was "hot and bobbing"...I
 heard the same complaints on the the 34'er and again on
 their 37'. I remember him lamenting the day he sold the
 27'er, and it has stuck with me ever since. I never
 regretted for a day downsizing from my 34' to my 28'
 and felt I was getting closer to what I really enjoyed about
 sailing. I have some time here to see what is out there but
 I feel no real pull toward a 30' boat regardless of
 initial purchase price. 
 I am pretty steadfast in my desire
 to keep it small and manageable. My days of  the
 "bigger is better" trap is one I don't wish to
 fall into again ;)
 I
 have a three bedroom house and wish I had a one bedroom!! 
 :)
 Chris
 
        
        
            
                
                
                    On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 9:32:55
 AM EDT, Richard Bush via CnC-List
  wrote:
                
                
 
                
 
                
  
 
 
 
  I second David's comments; when I
 bought my first C&C, (1982 25 II); it never dawned on me
 that I would be trading up; however, there is a growth curve
 that happens once you get on the boat and learn how it
 functions and how to use the boat;  After having the boat
 for several years, I was on a friend's larger boat (a
 J-29), and I remember thinking (to myself)...I can handle
 this!  Thus began a progression similar to many on this
 list:  (all C&C's); 25; 29, 33 and currently, a 37:
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Richard
 
 
  
 
 s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio
 River, Mile 600:
 
 
 
 Richard N. Bush
 
 
 
 2950 Breckenridge Lane,
 Suite Nine 
 
 
 
 Louisville, Kentucky
 40220-1462 
 
 
 
 502-584-7255
 
 
  
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 -Original
 Message-
 
 From: David via CnC-List 
 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 
 Cc: David 
 
 Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2018 9:21 am
 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Whether its a 30 or 27 or 26.  Have patience with
 looking.   Someone in the next town
 gave away a decent 30' to a
 deserving family who would use and love the boat as it  was
 by its original owner.  Its not always the money.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 With that in mind look for the best whatever footage (me? go
 for the 30, you will be trading up within 5 years anyway)
 you can find with all the work done, sails purchased etc.
 and do not be afraid to have a budget that you will stick to
 and offer.  They can
  only say no.  But  they may say yes for non-economic
 (emotional) reasons.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Lots of boats out there and lots of eyes all over the
 country to help if its not local to you.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 David F. Risch, J.
 D.
 
 
 Gulf
 Stream
 Associates,
 LLC 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 (401)
 419-4650 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: CnC-List
  on behalf of Dave S
 via CnC-List 
 
 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 8:25 AM
 
 To: Chris Graham
 
 Cc: Dave S; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or
 27'?
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Agreed with Bruce - none of the boats in this range are
 too big to be easily handled with a small crew.  IMO you
 are unlikely to wish you’d bought a 27 after having bought
 a 30.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 You described the condition of the 27 in some detail
 and it clearly needs a lot of work.  There are tons of
 tired boats out there, be patient.  There will be another
 one tomorrow  be prepared to pay more for a very well
 maintained boat - someone else’s
  labour of love. (Money pit)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Other thing is to make a list of the ‘must have’
 equipment and be disciplined about that too.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 The cost of repair and outfitting a tired 27 will can
 quickly exceed its acquisition cost.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 My $.02
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Dave 
 
 
 
 
 
 Sent
 from my iPhone
 
 
 
 
 On Oct 11, 2018, at 8:10 AM, Chris Graham 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Thanks Bruce!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I’m going to be single handing 90% of the time, and
 storage, mooring costs, sai

Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Will do Marek!


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 wrote:

If you call Garhauer, talk to them about replicating your bolt pattern. That 
way, you could re-use all the mounting holes. 
Marek 


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 Original message From: Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 Date: 2018-10-13 10:26 (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Sam Salter  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'? 
Not necessarily cheap, but Harken makes a track that has a longitudinal slot on 
the underside. It fits the head of the installation bolts so they can slide 
anywhere along the track. No filling and redrilling  - they can match the 
original bolt spacing - easy, quick install.
sam
On Oct 13, 2018, at 7:13 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:

I need to first replace the main traveler system. Any suggestions with a system 
that won’t break the bank?
Chris 


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On Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:43 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Roller furler - Profurl

sam 
On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:19 PM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:

Gotcha! 
Roller furling or hank on Sam?


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On Friday, October 12, 2018, 7:16 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Chris,
I meant to say “I upgraded to New Dacron sails and changed the Genoa to a 135”
I might have got a little more speed from the folding prop, but the laminate 
Genoa sets much better and allows me to point a little higher. A laminate main 
would improve that some more. And hopefully reduce the “bubble” at the luff.

sam
On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Sam Salter  wrote:

Chris,
When I bought the 26, It came with a 150 Dacron genoa and a Dacron main. After 
a few years I upgraded to new Dacron sails and changed the main to a 135. Later 
I changed the Genoa to a 135 laminate sail from Evolution Sails in Toronto.Both 
upgrades improved performance (after all it is a sail boat), but the laminate 
sail was such a difference that I think I would go with a 110 if I was doing it 
again.I still have the new Dacron main but I might go with a laminate one day. 
Best upgrades:New sailsFolding propSelf tailers (The folding prop might have 
given me more speed than the new sails)

sam C&C 26  Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta 

On Oct 12, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:

Thank you Sam!
This 26' could be dropped in tomorrow. Most issues are cosmetic with the 
exception of one stanchion and either the water fill or septic pump out cap 
(don't want to confuse the  two) LOL So some recoring in the spring but I enjoy 
that kind of work and it really is minimal. Other than that, shes good to go.
Thanks for the input. Main sail has two reef points which I am thankful for.
Chris
On Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:46:20 AM EDT, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I have a 1977 C&C 26.I was looking for a 27 when I bought her.The 26 wasn’t 
raced much; the 27 is still competitive!Most (many?) 27’s have been raced hard 
and put away wet.That’s why I bought the 26 - it was in much better condition 
than all the 27’s I looked at.The 26 is a tender boat!She does move quite well 
in light air.I tend to reef early; but she still moves well, even when reefed.I 
lake sail, so not sure what she’d be like in a big sea.I’ve had 7.4 knots on 
occasion and high 6’s is fairly regular.She is a roomy boat which is nice!I 
have a Yanmar 2GM20F in mine with a Flexofold prop.I’ve done lots of upgrades: 
self trailers / new sails / adjustable Genoa cars / ridged vang / etc., etc..I 
like the cockpit size and tiller steering up close to the companionway with the 
genoa trimmer behind on the winches.She’s a good, solid boat compared to the 
Hunters and Catalina’s on the lake.Don’t buy a project boat - get one you can 
sail away!Upgrades are much more fun than repairs.I see too many project boats 
that never get in the water.

sam C$C 26  Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta 



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Re: Stus-List Garhauer traveler

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

I’m looking for the same!!! 
So thanks for that :) 👍🏻


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On Saturday, October 13, 2018, 12:54 PM, Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Oops, It was supposed to go to Derrick. 
Doug

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 9:51 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Not sure if this was meant for me but I’ve worked with him before I believe. 
Love their products!
Chris 
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 wrote:

Derrick,Call Guido at Garhauer. He will help you with finding the best 
traveler. I just had him help me with finding a new traveler for my LF39. Plus 
Garhauer will modify it to fit your boat. 

Doug



 








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Re: Stus-List Garhauer traveler

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Not sure if this was meant for me but I’ve worked with him before I believe. 
Love their products!
Chris 
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 wrote:

Derrick,Call Guido at Garhauer. He will help you with finding the best 
traveler. I just had him help me with finding a new traveler for my LF39. Plus 
Garhauer will modify it to fit your boat. 

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Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?

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👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻


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Go Garhauer

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On Oct 13, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:


I need to first replace the main traveler system. Any suggestions with a system 
that won’t break the bank?
Chris 


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On Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:43 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Roller furler - Profurl

sam 
On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:19 PM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:

Gotcha! 
Roller furling or hank on Sam?


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On Friday, October 12, 2018, 7:16 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Chris,
I meant to say “I upgraded to New Dacron sails and changed the Genoa to a 135”
I might have got a little more speed from the folding prop, but the laminate 
Genoa sets much better and allows me to point a little higher. A laminate main 
would improve that some more. And hopefully reduce the “bubble” at the luff.

sam
On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Sam Salter  wrote:

Chris,
When I bought the 26, It came with a 150 Dacron genoa and a Dacron main. After 
a few years I upgraded to new Dacron sails and changed the main to a 135. Later 
I changed the Genoa to a 135 laminate sail from Evolution Sails in Toronto.Both 
upgrades improved performance (after all it is a sail boat), but the laminate 
sail was such a difference that I think I would go with a 110 if I was doing it 
again.I still have the new Dacron main but I might go with a laminate one day. 
Best upgrades:New sailsFolding propSelf tailers (The folding prop might have 
given me more speed than the new sails)

sam C&C 26  Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta 

On Oct 12, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:

Thank you Sam!
This 26' could be dropped in tomorrow. Most issues are cosmetic with the 
exception of one stanchion and either the water fill or septic pump out cap 
(don't want to confuse the  two) LOL So some recoring in the spring but I enjoy 
that kind of work and it really is minimal. Other than that, shes good to go.
Thanks for the input. Main sail has two reef points which I am thankful for.
Chris
On Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:46:20 AM EDT, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I have a 1977 C&C 26.I was looking for a 27 when I bought her.The 26 wasn’t 
raced much; the 27 is still competitive!Most (many?) 27’s have been raced hard 
and put away wet.That’s why I bought the 26 - it was in much better condition 
than all the 27’s I looked at.The 26 is a tender boat!She does move quite well 
in light air.I tend to reef early; but she still moves well, even when reefed.I 
lake sail, so not sure what she’d be like in a big sea.I’ve had 7.4 knots on 
occasion and high 6’s is fairly regular.She is a roomy boat which is nice!I 
have a Yanmar 2GM20F in mine with a Flexofold prop.I’ve done lots of upgrades: 
self trailers / new sails / adjustable Genoa cars / ridged vang / etc., etc..I 
like the cockpit size and tiller steering up close to the companionway with the 
genoa trimmer behind on the winches.She’s a good, solid boat compared to the 
Hunters and Catalina’s on the lake.Don’t buy a project boat - get one you can 
sail away!Upgrades are much more fun than repairs.I see too many project boats 
that never get in the water.

sam C$C 26  Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta 



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Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Oh wow!
I’ll see if I can find that and take a look Chris 


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On Saturday, October 13, 2018, 10:25 AM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Not necessarily cheap, but Harken makes a track that has a longitudinal slot on 
the underside. It fits the head of the installation bolts so they can slide 
anywhere along the track. No filling and redrilling  - they can match the 
original bolt spacing - easy, quick install.
sam
On Oct 13, 2018, at 7:13 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:

I need to first replace the main traveler system. Any suggestions with a system 
that won’t break the bank?
Chris 


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On Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:43 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Roller furler - Profurl

sam 
On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:19 PM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:

Gotcha! 
Roller furling or hank on Sam?


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Friday, October 12, 2018, 7:16 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Chris,
I meant to say “I upgraded to New Dacron sails and changed the Genoa to a 135”
I might have got a little more speed from the folding prop, but the laminate 
Genoa sets much better and allows me to point a little higher. A laminate main 
would improve that some more. And hopefully reduce the “bubble” at the luff.

sam
On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Sam Salter  wrote:

Chris,
When I bought the 26, It came with a 150 Dacron genoa and a Dacron main. After 
a few years I upgraded to new Dacron sails and changed the main to a 135. Later 
I changed the Genoa to a 135 laminate sail from Evolution Sails in Toronto.Both 
upgrades improved performance (after all it is a sail boat), but the laminate 
sail was such a difference that I think I would go with a 110 if I was doing it 
again.I still have the new Dacron main but I might go with a laminate one day. 
Best upgrades:New sailsFolding propSelf tailers (The folding prop might have 
given me more speed than the new sails)

sam C&C 26  Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta 

On Oct 12, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:

 Thank you Sam!
This 26' could be dropped in tomorrow. Most issues are cosmetic with the 
exception of one stanchion and either the water fill or septic pump out cap 
(don't want to confuse the  two) LOL So some recoring in the spring but I enjoy 
that kind of work and it really is minimal. Other than that, shes good to go.
Thanks for the input. Main sail has two reef points which I am thankful for.
Chris
On Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:46:20 AM EDT, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 I have a 1977 C&C 26.I was looking for a 27 when I bought her.The 26 wasn’t 
raced much; the 27 is still competitive!Most (many?) 27’s have been raced hard 
and put away wet.That’s why I bought the 26 - it was in much better condition 
than all the 27’s I looked at.The 26 is a tender boat!She does move quite well 
in light air.I tend to reef early; but she still moves well, even when reefed.I 
lake sail, so not sure what she’d be like in a big sea.I’ve had 7.4 knots on 
occasion and high 6’s is fairly regular.She is a roomy boat which is nice!I 
have a Yanmar 2GM20F in mine with a Flexofold prop.I’ve done lots of upgrades: 
self trailers / new sails / adjustable Genoa cars / ridged vang / etc., etc..I 
like the cockpit size and tiller steering up close to the companionway with the 
genoa trimmer behind on the winches.She’s a good, solid boat compared to the 
Hunters and Catalina’s on the lake.Don’t buy a project boat - get one you can 
sail away!Upgrades are much more fun than repairs.I see too many project boats 
that never get in the water.

sam C$C 26  Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta 



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Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Thanks Gary!
Bought their boom bang for my 28’ and loved it!!!
Chris 


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Look at the selection from Garhauer. Great stuff at an attractive price. 

Gary

30-1 with a boatload of their stuff

  

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Chris Graham via 
CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chris Graham 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?

  

I need to first replace the main traveler system. Any suggestions with a system 
that won’t break the bank?

  

Chris 


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On Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:43 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Roller furler - Profurl

sam 


On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:19 PM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:

Gotcha! 

  

Roller furling or hank on Sam?


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On Friday, October 12, 2018, 7:16 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Chris,

  

I meant to say “I upgraded to New Dacron sails and changed the Genoa to a 135”

  

I might have got a little more speed from the folding prop, but the laminate 
Genoa sets much better and allows me to point a little higher. A laminate main 
would improve that some more. And hopefully reduce the “bubble” at the luff.

sam


On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Sam Salter  wrote:

Chris,

  

When I bought the 26, It came with a 150 Dacron genoa and a Dacron main. After 
a few years I upgraded to new Dacron sails and changed the main to a 135. Later 
I changed the Genoa to a 135 laminate sail from Evolution Sails in Toronto.

Both upgrades improved performance (after all it is a sail boat), but the 
laminate sail was such a difference that I think I would go with a 110 if I was 
doing it again.

I still have the new Dacron main but I might go with a laminate one day. 

Best upgrades:

New sails

Folding prop

Self tailers 

(The folding prop might have given me more speed than the new sails)

sam 

C&C 26  Liquorice 

Ghost Lake Alberta 

  


On Oct 12, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:

Thank you Sam!

  

This 26' could be dropped in tomorrow. Most issues are cosmetic with the 
exception of one stanchion and either the water fill or septic pump out cap 
(don't want to confuse the  two) LOL So some recoring in the spring but I enjoy 
that kind of work and it really is minimal. Other than that, shes good to go.

  

Thanks for the input. Main sail has two reef points which I am thankful for.

  

Chris

  

On Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:46:20 AM EDT, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote: 

  

  

I have a 1977 C&C 26.

I was looking for a 27 when I bought her.

The 26 wasn’t raced much; the 27 is still competitive!

Most (many?) 27’s have been raced hard and put away wet.

That’s why I bought the 26 - it was in much better condition than all the 27’s 
I looked at.

The 26 is a tender boat!

She does move quite well in light air.

I tend to reef early; but she still moves well, even when reefed.

I lake sail, so not sure what she’d be like in a big sea.

I’ve had 7.4 knots on occasion and high 6’s is fairly regular.

She is a roomy boat which is nice!

I have a Yanmar 2GM20F in mine with a Flexofold prop.

I’ve done lots of upgrades: self trailers / new sails / adjustable Genoa cars / 
ridged vang / etc., et

Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

I need to first replace the main traveler system. Any suggestions with a system 
that won’t break the bank?
Chris 


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On Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:43 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Roller furler - Profurl

sam 
On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:19 PM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:

Gotcha! 
Roller furling or hank on Sam?


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On Friday, October 12, 2018, 7:16 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Chris,
I meant to say “I upgraded to New Dacron sails and changed the Genoa to a 135”
I might have got a little more speed from the folding prop, but the laminate 
Genoa sets much better and allows me to point a little higher. A laminate main 
would improve that some more. And hopefully reduce the “bubble” at the luff.

sam
On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Sam Salter  wrote:

Chris,
When I bought the 26, It came with a 150 Dacron genoa and a Dacron main. After 
a few years I upgraded to new Dacron sails and changed the main to a 135. Later 
I changed the Genoa to a 135 laminate sail from Evolution Sails in Toronto.Both 
upgrades improved performance (after all it is a sail boat), but the laminate 
sail was such a difference that I think I would go with a 110 if I was doing it 
again.I still have the new Dacron main but I might go with a laminate one day. 
Best upgrades:New sailsFolding propSelf tailers (The folding prop might have 
given me more speed than the new sails)

sam C&C 26  Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta 

On Oct 12, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:

 Thank you Sam!
This 26' could be dropped in tomorrow. Most issues are cosmetic with the 
exception of one stanchion and either the water fill or septic pump out cap 
(don't want to confuse the  two) LOL So some recoring in the spring but I enjoy 
that kind of work and it really is minimal. Other than that, shes good to go.
Thanks for the input. Main sail has two reef points which I am thankful for.
Chris
On Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:46:20 AM EDT, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 I have a 1977 C&C 26.I was looking for a 27 when I bought her.The 26 wasn’t 
raced much; the 27 is still competitive!Most (many?) 27’s have been raced hard 
and put away wet.That’s why I bought the 26 - it was in much better condition 
than all the 27’s I looked at.The 26 is a tender boat!She does move quite well 
in light air.I tend to reef early; but she still moves well, even when reefed.I 
lake sail, so not sure what she’d be like in a big sea.I’ve had 7.4 knots on 
occasion and high 6’s is fairly regular.She is a roomy boat which is nice!I 
have a Yanmar 2GM20F in mine with a Flexofold prop.I’ve done lots of upgrades: 
self trailers / new sails / adjustable Genoa cars / ridged vang / etc., etc..I 
like the cockpit size and tiller steering up close to the companionway with the 
genoa trimmer behind on the winches.She’s a good, solid boat compared to the 
Hunters and Catalina’s on the lake.Don’t buy a project boat - get one you can 
sail away!Upgrades are much more fun than repairs.I see too many project boats 
that never get in the water.

sam C$C 26  Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta 



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Gotcha! 
Roller furling or hank on Sam?


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On Friday, October 12, 2018, 7:16 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Chris,
I meant to say “I upgraded to New Dacron sails and changed the Genoa to a 135”
I might have got a little more speed from the folding prop, but the laminate 
Genoa sets much better and allows me to point a little higher. A laminate main 
would improve that some more. And hopefully reduce the “bubble” at the luff.

sam
On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Sam Salter  wrote:

Chris,
When I bought the 26, It came with a 150 Dacron genoa and a Dacron main. After 
a few years I upgraded to new Dacron sails and changed the main to a 135. Later 
I changed the Genoa to a 135 laminate sail from Evolution Sails in Toronto.Both 
upgrades improved performance (after all it is a sail boat), but the laminate 
sail was such a difference that I think I would go with a 110 if I was doing it 
again.I still have the new Dacron main but I might go with a laminate one day. 
Best upgrades:New sailsFolding propSelf tailers (The folding prop might have 
given me more speed than the new sails)

sam C&C 26  Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta 

On Oct 12, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:

 Thank you Sam!
This 26' could be dropped in tomorrow. Most issues are cosmetic with the 
exception of one stanchion and either the water fill or septic pump out cap 
(don't want to confuse the  two) LOL So some recoring in the spring but I enjoy 
that kind of work and it really is minimal. Other than that, shes good to go.
Thanks for the input. Main sail has two reef points which I am thankful for.
Chris
On Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:46:20 AM EDT, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 I have a 1977 C&C 26.I was looking for a 27 when I bought her.The 26 wasn’t 
raced much; the 27 is still competitive!Most (many?) 27’s have been raced hard 
and put away wet.That’s why I bought the 26 - it was in much better condition 
than all the 27’s I looked at.The 26 is a tender boat!She does move quite well 
in light air.I tend to reef early; but she still moves well, even when reefed.I 
lake sail, so not sure what she’d be like in a big sea.I’ve had 7.4 knots on 
occasion and high 6’s is fairly regular.She is a roomy boat which is nice!I 
have a Yanmar 2GM20F in mine with a Flexofold prop.I’ve done lots of upgrades: 
self trailers / new sails / adjustable Genoa cars / ridged vang / etc., etc..I 
like the cockpit size and tiller steering up close to the companionway with the 
genoa trimmer behind on the winches.She’s a good, solid boat compared to the 
Hunters and Catalina’s on the lake.Don’t buy a project boat - get one you can 
sail away!Upgrades are much more fun than repairs.I see too many project boats 
that never get in the water.

sam C$C 26  Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta 



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Excellent!!! 
Thanks so much for the suggestions Sam! Noted!! 
Fair Winds Chris 

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On Friday, October 12, 2018, 7:03 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Chris,
When I bought the 26, It came with a 150 Dacron genoa and a Dacron main. After 
a few years I upgraded to new Dacron sails and changed the main to a 135. Later 
I changed the Genoa to a 135 laminate sail from Evolution Sails in Toronto.Both 
upgrades improved performance (after all it is a sail boat), but the laminate 
sail was such a difference that I think I would go with a 110 if I was doing it 
again.I still have the new Dacron main but I might go with a laminate one day. 
Best upgrades:New sailsFolding propSelf tailers (The folding prop might have 
given me more speed than the new sails)

sam C&C 26  Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta 

On Oct 12, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:

 Thank you Sam!
This 26' could be dropped in tomorrow. Most issues are cosmetic with the 
exception of one stanchion and either the water fill or septic pump out cap 
(don't want to confuse the  two) LOL So some recoring in the spring but I enjoy 
that kind of work and it really is minimal. Other than that, shes good to go.
Thanks for the input. Main sail has two reef points which I am thankful for.
Chris
On Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:46:20 AM EDT, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 I have a 1977 C&C 26.I was looking for a 27 when I bought her.The 26 wasn’t 
raced much; the 27 is still competitive!Most (many?) 27’s have been raced hard 
and put away wet.That’s why I bought the 26 - it was in much better condition 
than all the 27’s I looked at.The 26 is a tender boat!She does move quite well 
in light air.I tend to reef early; but she still moves well, even when reefed.I 
lake sail, so not sure what she’d be like in a big sea.I’ve had 7.4 knots on 
occasion and high 6’s is fairly regular.She is a roomy boat which is nice!I 
have a Yanmar 2GM20F in mine with a Flexofold prop.I’ve done lots of upgrades: 
self trailers / new sails / adjustable Genoa cars / ridged vang / etc., etc..I 
like the cockpit size and tiller steering up close to the companionway with the 
genoa trimmer behind on the winches.She’s a good, solid boat compared to the 
Hunters and Catalina’s on the lake.Don’t buy a project boat - get one you can 
sail away!Upgrades are much more fun than repairs.I see too many project boats 
that never get in the water.

sam C$C 26  Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta 



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[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

 Thank you Sam!
This 26' could be dropped in tomorrow. Most issues are cosmetic with the 
exception of one stanchion and either the water fill or septic pump out cap 
(don't want to confuse the  two) LOL So some recoring in the spring but I enjoy 
that kind of work and it really is minimal. Other than that, shes good to go.
Thanks for the input. Main sail has two reef points which I am thankful for.
Chris
On Friday, October 12, 2018, 10:46:20 AM EDT, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 I have a 1977 C&C 26.I was looking for a 27 when I bought her.The 26 wasn’t 
raced much; the 27 is still competitive!Most (many?) 27’s have been raced hard 
and put away wet.That’s why I bought the 26 - it was in much better condition 
than all the 27’s I looked at.The 26 is a tender boat!She does move quite well 
in light air.I tend to reef early; but she still moves well, even when reefed.I 
lake sail, so not sure what she’d be like in a big sea.I’ve had 7.4 knots on 
occasion and high 6’s is fairly regular.She is a roomy boat which is nice!I 
have a Yanmar 2GM20F in mine with a Flexofold prop.I’ve done lots of upgrades: 
self trailers / new sails / adjustable Genoa cars / ridged vang / etc., etc..I 
like the cockpit size and tiller steering up close to the companionway with the 
genoa trimmer behind on the winches.She’s a good, solid boat compared to the 
Hunters and Catalina’s on the lake.Don’t buy a project boat - get one you can 
sail away!Upgrades are much more fun than repairs.I see too many project boats 
that never get in the water.

sam C$C 26  Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta 

On Oct 11, 2018, at 11:05 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List  
wrote:

The gap from a 24' to a 27' is much bigger than the gap from a 27' to a 30'. I 
looked at several 30-1 before getting my 27MkII and yeah, they are a bit 
bigger, but really you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference below (or above 
decks) unless you were already familiar with both. As it turns out, I have 
never used the 27 for the purpose I bought her for and in many cases quite 
regret moving from my C&C24 - the boat is just as easy to handle in most 
situations, just more complex: moving from outboard to inboard, porta-potty to 
marine head, wiring blah blah. Both sail wonderfully.
I can't really comment on your 26 vs 27 as I am not familiar with the 26, but 
the 27MkII is a nice boat to sail, can carry more sail in heavier winds than 
the later ones due to more ballast and a slightly shorter mast, but not quite 
as good in the light stuff for the same reasons (I've always thought a MkIII 
rudder would be a nice modification to the MkII though). Of course the MkI is a 
bit stiffer still since the mast is even shorter. Having said that, sounds like 
the 27 you are considering needs a fair bit of work, maybe hold out for a nicer 
one?FYI, the 26 appears to be pretty much the most tender boat C&C ever built, 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technica/stability.htm (for the 27s I believe that 
diagram shows the C&C designations where Mk1TM is what we refer to as the MkII, 
MkII is what we think of as the MkIII/IV, and "New 27" is the MkV). Theoretical 
measurements of course, but it usually translates fairly well into real world 
tippyness which can often be a factor for non-sailing guests/significant others.
Cheers,Paul.1974 27' MkIISidney, BC


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Sent: October 11, 2018 6:53 AM
To: Richard Bush via CnC-List
Cc: Chris Graham
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'? I really do appreciate the feedback and 
encouragement. I watched my father-in-law sell his beloved 27' to move up to a 
34' to appease his wife who complained that she was "hot and bobbing"...I heard 
the same complaints on the the 34'er and again on their 37'. I remember him 
lamenting the day he sold the 27'er, and it has stuck with me ever since. I 
never regretted for a day downsizing from my 34' to my 28' and felt I was 
getting closer to what I really enjoyed about sailing. I have some time here to 
see what is out there but I feel no real pull toward a 30' boat regardless of 
initial purchase price. 
I am pretty steadfast in my desire to keep it small and manageable. My days of  
the "bigger is better" trap is one I don't wish to fall into again ;)
I have a three bedroom house and wish I had a one bedroom!!  :)
Chris
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 Yes!
The 26' is very tender from what I understand. Stiffens a bit past 22 degrees I 
think I have heard? My Vega was tender too but stiffened up quickly and tracked 
beautifully once I found the sweet spot. :)
Thanks Paul!C
On Friday, October 12, 2018, 2:06:07 AM EDT, Paul Baker via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 The gap from a 24' to a 27' is much bigger than the gap from a 27' to a 30'. I 
looked at several 30-1 before getting my 27MkII and yeah, they are a bit 
bigger, but really you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference below (or above 
decks) unless you were already familiar with both. As it turns out, I have 
never used the 27 for the purpose I bought her for and in many cases quite 
regret moving from my C&C24 - the boat is just as easy to handle in most 
situations, just more complex: moving from outboard to inboard, porta-potty to 
marine head, wiring blah blah. Both sail wonderfully.
I can't really comment on your 26 vs 27 as I am not familiar with the 26, but 
the 27MkII is a nice boat to sail, can carry more sail in heavier winds than 
the later ones due to more ballast and a slightly shorter mast, but not quite 
as good in the light stuff for the same reasons (I've always thought a MkIII 
rudder would be a nice modification to the MkII though). Of course the MkI is a 
bit stiffer still since the mast is even shorter. Having said that, sounds like 
the 27 you are considering needs a fair bit of work, maybe hold out for a nicer 
one?FYI, the 26 appears to be pretty much the most tender boat C&C ever built, 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technica/stability.htm (for the 27s I believe that 
diagram shows the C&C designations where Mk1TM is what we refer to as the MkII, 
MkII is what we think of as the MkIII/IV, and "New 27" is the MkV). Theoretical 
measurements of course, but it usually translates fairly well into real world 
tippyness which can often be a factor for non-sailing guests/significant others.
Cheers,Paul.1974 27' MkIISidney, BC


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CnC-List 
Sent: October 11, 2018 6:53 AM
To: Richard Bush via CnC-List
Cc: Chris Graham
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'? I really do appreciate the feedback and 
encouragement. I watched my father-in-law sell his beloved 27' to move up to a 
34' to appease his wife who complained that she was "hot and bobbing"...I heard 
the same complaints on the the 34'er and again on their 37'. I remember him 
lamenting the day he sold the 27'er, and it has stuck with me ever since. I 
never regretted for a day downsizing from my 34' to my 28' and felt I was 
getting closer to what I really enjoyed about sailing. I have some time here to 
see what is out there but I feel no real pull toward a 30' boat regardless of 
initial purchase price. 
I am pretty steadfast in my desire to keep it small and manageable. My days of  
the "bigger is better" trap is one I don't wish to fall into again ;)
I have a three bedroom house and wish I had a one bedroom!!  :)
Chris
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On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 6:02 PM, bwhitmore via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Having moved up from a 27 MKIII to a 37/40+, I can certainly say that while the 
new bigger boat can easily be single handed once  under way, and I would be 
comfortable taking her to a mooring alone, I'm not ready to go into a tight 
slip without another hand.  Does that keep me from getting out?  Not really, 
but there are times when I'd like to go out truly alone.  And yes,  there are 
many more systems on the bigger boat.  None of those concerns should apply to a 
30 vs a 27.  The 27 will definitely feel tight for 4, as it even was a bit 
cramped for 2. 
Just my $.02 worth,
Bruce 


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Thanks so much Ron!!Cheers


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On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 4:43 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I do know what you mean about keeping it small.We had a SJ 24, a great boat, 
nimble and quick for its size, like a Porsche.  A little squirrely (sp?) with 
quartering wind and a chute up, but a blast to sail.  We could beat the snot 
out of Erickson 25s and most other 25 & 26 footers boat for boat.  Not any C&C 
since we didn't have any but the 27 in our division at the time.  The 26s 
sailed JAM.Our next boat was the 30-1 we still have.  It was not that much more 
effort to get ready or put to bed and it was more stable under the chute in any 
wind.  It also had human sized proportions and the family could sleep in 
comfort.Never looked back, even though we went from a sports car to a BMW sedan 
(figuratively speaking).The boat does telegraph back info like a great boat 
should.  And it responds well, so it's more nimble than many 30s out there.  
Compared to some 30s out there today, it's a small 30.  Some seem like a camper 
with a stick!You will probably enjoy any one you choose; 26, 27 or 30-1.RonWild 
CheriC&C 30-1STL

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 BINGO Matt!!!
Serves your needs for you and your growing family. My son is 25 and out on his 
own. I have my daughters every other weekend and a few week days. I guide rock 
throughout the summer and am not able to dedicate large chunks of time to 
sailing. She'd be an hour and a half away so I could do some evening drifts 
along the coast, some day-sails and overnights when I have the girlsthe 
same if my some visits and wants to get out on the water. 
I think it's being true to your needs at whatever stage one is at at the time 
:)C
On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 10:55:04 AM EDT, Matthew L. Wolford via 
CnC-List  wrote:  
 
 At bottom, it depends how you intend to use the boat.  I started with a Ranger 
26, which was a fun boat but was too small for me.  I moved up to a C&C 34, 
which was good for my growing family and still manageable for me and my wife.  
However, she enjoys taking friends out sailing on summer evenings, and the 
cockpit of the 34 limited the number of people we could accommodate.  In 
addition: a) I cross Lake Erie a few times during the summer (including 
racing), and there were times I wish I had a little more boat under me; and b) 
I have three boys, and I wanted a boat big enough to accommodate them and their 
friends if they wanted to do some racing (including overnights at other ports). 
 My 42 addressed all of these issues.  The first time we went out, I was 
concerned that I had gotten into too much boat.  Now, I’m very comfortable with 
it, and I’m glad to be on “the beast” when pounding through large waves.  It is 
more work for sure, and everything is more expensive; but for now it is still a 
good fit.  I will likely downsize to a newer, somewhat smaller boat with a 
large cockpit as my interests change.  From: Chris Graham via CnC-List Sent: 
Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:53 AMTo: Richard Bush via CnC-List Cc: Chris 
Graham Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'? I really do appreciate the 
feedback and encouragement. I watched my father-in-law sell his beloved 27' to 
move up to a 34' to appease his wife who complained that she was "hot and 
bobbing"...I heard the same complaints on the the 34'er and again on their 37'. 
I remember him lamenting the day he sold the 27'er, and it has stuck with me 
ever since. I never regretted for a day downsizing from my 34' to my 28' and 
felt I was getting closer to what I really enjoyed about sailing. I have some 
time here to see what is out there but I feel no real pull toward a 30' boat 
regardless of initial purchase price.  I am pretty steadfast in my desire to 
keep it small and manageable. My days of  the "bigger is better" trap is one I 
don't wish to fall into again ;) I have a three bedroom house and wish I had a 
one bedroom!!  :) Chris On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 9:32:55 AM EDT, Richard 
Bush via CnC-List  wrote:    I second David's comments; 
when I bought my first C&C, (1982 25 II); it never dawned on me that I would be 
trading up; however, there is a growth curve that happens once you get on the 
boat and learn how it functions and how to use the boat;  After having the boat 
for several years, I was on a friend's larger boat (a J-29), and I remember 
thinking (to myself)...I can handle this!  Thus began a progression similar to 
many on this list:  (all C&C's); 25; 29, 33 and currently, a 37:   
 Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 600:
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255  -Original Message-
From: David via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: David 
Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2018 9:21 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?

Whether its a 30 or 27 or 26.  Have patience with looking.   Someone in the 
next town gave away a decent 30' to a deserving family who would use and love 
the boat as it  was by its original owner.  Its not always the money.
 With that in mind look for the best whatever footage (me? go for the 30, you 
will be trading up within 5 years anyway) you can find with all the work done, 
sails purchased etc. and do not be afraid to have a budget that you will stick 
to and offer.  They can only say no.  But  they may say yes for non-economic 
(emotional) reasons.  
 Lots of boats out there and lots of eyes all over the country to help if its 
not local to you.
 David F. Risch, J. D.Gulf Stream Associates, LLC  
(401) 419-4650 
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CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 8:25 AM
To: Chris Graham
Cc: Dave S; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?  Agreed with Bruce - none of the boats 
in this range are too big to be easily handled with a small crew.  IMO you are 
unlikely to wish you’d bought a 27 after having bought a 30.  You described the 
condition of the 27 in some detail and it clearly

Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

We are talking 4’ here :)
I’d need a 36-38’ boat if I’m really looking for space and privacy :) 
I’m an ice climber and mountaineer. I’ve spent two weeks in a tent pinned down 
in snow and wind. To me, a 10’ x 18’ space is palatial lol. 
I spend a majority of my time under the sun and in the wind on deck. I think 
that’s what it’s all about...right?? :) Give me a working cockpit and a 
reasonable place to lay my bones when the sun drops and I’m a Happy man. 
All relative I suppose :)
Chris 


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On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 10:39 AM, Steve Staten via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 
As the owner of a 26’, I have to agree with everyone on all points. Granted, 
this is my first boat with no prior sailing experience on my part. I cannot 
speak with experience concerning the advantages of one size over another.
 
  
 
I CAN say that I would not care to spend a weekend sailing with more than one 
other adult-sized person in my boat. I just like my personal space, that’s all. 
I go sailing to get away from people. 
 
  
 
Steve Staten
 
“C’ Est La Vie” 26’
 
Langley, Oklahoma 
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[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

But boy you guys are good!!! Lol 
And I do appreciate the suggestions and comments. I tend to overthink and over 
reaserch sometimes but have always found it helpful to get multiple view 
points... particularly from the source. It’s great to have such an active, 
knowledgeable, and supportive group here! 
I know, regardless of my decision, I have a great resource here on the forum. 
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On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 9:32 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 
 I second David's comments; when I bought my first C&C, (1982 25 II); it never 
dawned on me that I would be trading up; however, there is a growth curve that 
happens once you get on the boat and learn how it functions and how to use the 
boat;  After having the boat for several years, I was on a friend's larger boat 
(a J-29), and I remember thinking (to myself)...I can handle this!  Thus began 
a progression similar to many on this list:  (all C&C's); 25; 29, 33 and 
currently, a 37:   

Richard
 s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 600:
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: David via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: David 
Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2018 9:21 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?

#yiv7396374929 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Whether its a 30 or 27 or 26.  
Have patience with looking.   Someone in the next towngave away a decent 30' to 
a deserving family who would use and love the boat as it  was by its original 
owner.  Its not always the money.

With that in mind look for the best whatever footage (me? go for the 30, you 
will be trading up within 5 years anyway) you can find with all the work done, 
sails purchased etc. and do not be afraid to have a budget that you will stick 
to and offer.  They can only say no.  But  they may say yes for non-economic 
(emotional) reasons.  

Lots of boats out there and lots of eyes all over the country to help if its 
not local to you.

David F. Risch, J. D.GulfStreamAssociates,LLC 
(401) 419-4650 

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Dave S via CnC-List 

Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 8:25 AM
To: Chris Graham
Cc: Dave S; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'? Agreed with Bruce - none of the boats in 
this range are too big to be easily handled with a small crew.  IMO you are 
unlikely to wish you’d bought a 27 after having bought a 30.
You described the condition of the 27 in some detail and it clearly needs a lot 
of work.  There are tons of tired boats out there, be patient.  There will be 
another one tomorrow  be prepared to pay more for a very well maintained 
boat - someone else’s labour of love. (Money pit)
Other thing is to make a list of the ‘must have’ equipment and be disciplined 
about that too.  
The cost of repair and outfitting a tired 27 will can quickly exceed its 
acquisition cost.
My $.02
Dave 
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On Oct 11, 2018, at 8:10 AM, Chris Graham  wrote:


Thanks Bruce!
I’m going to be single handing 90% of the time, and storage, mooring costs, 
sail replacement, etc...is another reason why I’m trying to keep the length 
down. 
I do understand the 30’ is a superior boat on many levels. I think I’m 
committed to a smaller size though I may be convinced otherwise if something 
were to present itself. :) 
You nailed the price of both boats. The 26’ has cosmetic issues but can be 
dropped in the water tomorrow and sailed away. Just trying to look down the 
road and make the right choice. 
Beautiful pacific seacraft 25’ at triple the coast but a beautiful bait with 
classic lines, double ender... but I want to keep costs down! :) 
Chris 


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On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 7:57 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List 
 wrote:
I had a 1977 C&C 27 MK III for 15 years on Lake Michigan.  The nice thing about 
the MK III was that it had a taller rig than the one you'relooking at,  which 
made her a great light air performer, generally hitting hull speed of 6.4 in 
about 9 kts pf wind, and which would commonly sustain 7 knots.  I would be less 
optimistic about the MK II, and I sold mine for 8K in 2015, albeit to a friend 
in very good condition.  It was in very good shape but also did not have roller 
furling.  Given the work you're talking about, she ought to be $2,500 or even 
less.
Now having a bigger boat and the affordability of older boats, I too would 
recommend looking at a bigger one, or at least holding out for one in much 
better condition.
Just my $.02 worth,
Bruce Whitmore 


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Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

 I really do appreciate the feedback and encouragement. I watched my 
father-in-law sell his beloved 27' to move up to a 34' to appease his wife who 
complained that she was "hot and bobbing"...I heard the same complaints on the 
the 34'er and again on their 37'. I remember him lamenting the day he sold the 
27'er, and it has stuck with me ever since. I never regretted for a day 
downsizing from my 34' to my 28' and felt I was getting closer to what I really 
enjoyed about sailing. I have some time here to see what is out there but I 
feel no real pull toward a 30' boat regardless of initial purchase price. 
I am pretty steadfast in my desire to keep it small and manageable. My days of  
the "bigger is better" trap is one I don't wish to fall into again ;)
I have a three bedroom house and wish I had a one bedroom!!  :)
Chris
On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 9:32:55 AM EDT, Richard Bush via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
  
 I second David's comments; when I bought my first C&C, (1982 25 II); it never 
dawned on me that I would be trading up; however, there is a growth curve that 
happens once you get on the boat and learn how it functions and how to use the 
boat;  After having the boat for several years, I was on a friend's larger boat 
(a J-29), and I remember thinking (to myself)...I can handle this!  Thus began 
a progression similar to many on this list:  (all C&C's); 25; 29, 33 and 
currently, a 37:   

Richard
 s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 600:
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: David via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: David 
Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2018 9:21 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?

Whether its a 30 or 27 or 26.  Have patience with looking.   Someone in the 
next towngave away a decent 30' to a deserving family who would use and love 
the boat as it  was by its original owner.  Its not always the money.

With that in mind look for the best whatever footage (me? go for the 30, you 
will be trading up within 5 years anyway) you can find with all the work done, 
sails purchased etc. and do not be afraid to have a budget that you will stick 
to and offer.  They can only say no.  But  they may say yes for non-economic 
(emotional) reasons.  

Lots of boats out there and lots of eyes all over the country to help if its 
not local to you.

David F. Risch, J. D.GulfStreamAssociates,LLC 
(401) 419-4650 

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Dave S via CnC-List 

Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 8:25 AM
To: Chris Graham
Cc: Dave S; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'? Agreed with Bruce - none of the boats in 
this range are too big to be easily handled with a small crew.  IMO you are 
unlikely to wish you’d bought a 27 after having bought a 30.
You described the condition of the 27 in some detail and it clearly needs a lot 
of work.  There are tons of tired boats out there, be patient.  There will be 
another one tomorrow  be prepared to pay more for a very well maintained 
boat - someone else’s labour of love. (Money pit)
Other thing is to make a list of the ‘must have’ equipment and be disciplined 
about that too.  
The cost of repair and outfitting a tired 27 will can quickly exceed its 
acquisition cost.
My $.02
Dave 
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2018, at 8:10 AM, Chris Graham  wrote:


Thanks Bruce!
I’m going to be single handing 90% of the time, and storage, mooring costs, 
sail replacement, etc...is another reason why I’m trying to keep the length 
down. 
I do understand the 30’ is a superior boat on many levels. I think I’m 
committed to a smaller size though I may be convinced otherwise if something 
were to present itself. :) 
You nailed the price of both boats. The 26’ has cosmetic issues but can be 
dropped in the water tomorrow and sailed away. Just trying to look down the 
road and make the right choice. 
Beautiful pacific seacraft 25’ at triple the coast but a beautiful bait with 
classic lines, double ender... but I want to keep costs down! :) 
Chris 


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On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 7:57 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List 
 wrote:
I had a 1977 C&C 27 MK III for 15 years on Lake Michigan.  The nice thing about 
the MK III was that it had a taller rig than the one you'relooking at,  which 
made her a great light air performer, generally hitting hull speed of 6.4 in 
about 9 kts pf wind, and which would commonly sustain 7 knots.  I would be less 
optimistic about the MK II, and I sold mine for 8K in 2015, albeit to a friend 
in very good condition.  It was in very good shape but also did not have roller 
furling.  Given the work you're talking about, she ought to be $2,500 or even 
less.
Now having a bigger boat and the affordability of older boats, I too would 
recommend looking at a bigger one, or at least holding out for one in much 
better condition.
Just my $.02 worth,
Bruce Whitmore 


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Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

 The 30' C&C is a beautiful boat by the way! I understand the push to consider 
it.  :)C
On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 8:22:31 AM EDT, Chris Graham via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Thank you Fred. 
The 30’s in my area are far too rich for my blood but I’ll keep my eyes open. 
I’m not pulling the trigger on either boat until the spring. Maybe something 
comes available between now and then. 
Chris 


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On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 8:18 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Chris — I’ll chime in in favor of the 30mkI, having owned a 1981 for several 
years before we moved up to our Landfall 38.  The 30 was my first boat, and I 
was worried about single-handing her; when I first came aboard, it seemed 
enormous!  But learning on that boat was a joy; it really took care of me, and 
I was always sure of its ability to handle weather.  These, along with the 
additional space down below, are, I think, really good reasons for you to 
consider a 30 over a 26 or 27.  I think you’d be happier in the end.
— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Oct 11, 2018, at 7:10 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:
Thanks Bruce!
I’m going to be single handing 90% of the time, and storage, mooring costs, 
sail replacement, etc...is another reason why I’m trying to keep the length 
down. 
I do understand the 30’ is a superior boat on many levels. I think I’m 
committed to a smaller size though I may be convinced otherwise if something 
were to present itself. :) 
You nailed the price of both boats. The 26’ has cosmetic issues but can be 
dropped in the water tomorrow and sailed away. Just trying to look down the 
road and make the right choice. 
Beautiful pacific seacraft 25’ at triple the coast but a beautiful bait with 
classic lines, double ender... but I want to keep costs down! :) 
Chris 

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Thank you Fred. 
The 30’s in my area are far too rich for my blood but I’ll keep my eyes open. 
I’m not pulling the trigger on either boat until the spring. Maybe something 
comes available between now and then. 
Chris 


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On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 8:18 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Chris — I’ll chime in in favor of the 30mkI, having owned a 1981 for several 
years before we moved up to our Landfall 38.  The 30 was my first boat, and I 
was worried about single-handing her; when I first came aboard, it seemed 
enormous!  But learning on that boat was a joy; it really took care of me, and 
I was always sure of its ability to handle weather.  These, along with the 
additional space down below, are, I think, really good reasons for you to 
consider a 30 over a 26 or 27.  I think you’d be happier in the end.
— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Oct 11, 2018, at 7:10 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:
Thanks Bruce!
I’m going to be single handing 90% of the time, and storage, mooring costs, 
sail replacement, etc...is another reason why I’m trying to keep the length 
down. 
I do understand the 30’ is a superior boat on many levels. I think I’m 
committed to a smaller size though I may be convinced otherwise if something 
were to present itself. :) 
You nailed the price of both boats. The 26’ has cosmetic issues but can be 
dropped in the water tomorrow and sailed away. Just trying to look down the 
road and make the right choice. 
Beautiful pacific seacraft 25’ at triple the coast but a beautiful bait with 
classic lines, double ender... but I want to keep costs down! :) 
Chris 

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Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Thanks Bruce!
I’m going to be single handing 90% of the time, and storage, mooring costs, 
sail replacement, etc...is another reason why I’m trying to keep the length 
down. 
I do understand the 30’ is a superior boat on many levels. I think I’m 
committed to a smaller size though I may be convinced otherwise if something 
were to present itself. :) 
You nailed the price of both boats. The 26’ has cosmetic issues but can be 
dropped in the water tomorrow and sailed away. Just trying to look down the 
road and make the right choice. 
Beautiful pacific seacraft 25’ at triple the coast but a beautiful bait with 
classic lines, double ender... but I want to keep costs down! :) 
Chris 


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On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 7:57 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 I had a 1977 C&C 27 MK III for 15 years on Lake Michigan.  The nice thing 
about the MK III was that it had a taller rig than the one you'relooking at,  
which made her a great light air performer, generally hitting hull speed of 6.4 
in about 9 kts pf wind, and which would commonly sustain 7 knots.  I would be 
less optimistic about the MK II, and I sold mine for 8K in 2015, albeit to a 
friend in very good condition.  It was in very good shape but also did not have 
roller furling.  Given the work you're talking about, she ought to be $2,500 or 
even less.
Now having a bigger boat and the affordability of older boats, I too would 
recommend looking at a bigger one, or at least holding out for one in much 
better condition.
Just my $.02 worth,
Bruce Whitmore 


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The 27 looks like she’s hit some rocks as the leading edge of the keel is welll 
beaten.keel bolts looked fine and the hull to keel joint looked okay as wel ( 
no smikebor separation). The deck coring will need to be replaced from the bow 
tip back about 2-2.5” as the last two stanchions in the bow pulpit are wet and 
delaminated. Forward hatch has a hinge that has stripped out of the bedding and 
the bedding must be re-glassed and epoxied. One of the Barlow winches (port 
side) has seized. Her head plumbs directly overboard so that will need 
attention. Rudder needs rebuild but despite the wetness I don’t believe it’s 
affected performance but it’s wet and cracked at the top and is showing signs 
of splitting at the trailing edge. Hank on jibs (of which he has 3 including 
storm jib all in very good condition) two booms and whisker pole. Never used 
spinnaker. A4 engine with a cooling issue (owner is trying to rectify before 
winterizing and final sale). Great shape below deck. Big worry is that she has 
been on the hard (i later discovered) for over 10 years 


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On Wednesday, October 10, 2018, 9:58 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
 wrote:

We had both on Carlyle.  As I recall the 26 was a more tender boat, and with 
the larger beam needed more attention in the puffs.  However, it did better in 
light air.  Our average wind is 10kts with a std deviation of 7, so we have a 
number of days in the 3-5 and 5-7 range.The 27-3 was a great sailing boat, but 
needed a bit more air to fully perform; closer to 10-12.  It did have speed 
with a Pearson 30, which says something for a 27ft boat.All three folks (2 with 
26s & 1 with 27) enjoyed their boats.Can't go wrong with either, but sounds 
like the 27 needs a lot more work.  Fine if the price reflects that.OTOH, the 
30-1 is a great boat.RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL
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[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

It’s such a difficult choice. This is great information Ron. I appreciate it 
Chris


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On Wednesday, October 10, 2018, 9:58 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
 wrote:

We had both on Carlyle.  As I recall the 26 was a more tender boat, and with 
the larger beam needed more attention in the puffs.  However, it did better in 
light air.  Our average wind is 10kts with a std deviation of 7, so we have a 
number of days in the 3-5 and 5-7 range.The 27-3 was a great sailing boat, but 
needed a bit more air to fully perform; closer to 10-12.  It did have speed 
with a Pearson 30, which says something for a 27ft boat.All three folks (2 with 
26s & 1 with 27) enjoyed their boats.Can't go wrong with either, but sounds 
like the 27 needs a lot more work.  Fine if the price reflects that.OTOH, the 
30-1 is a great boat.RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL
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Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Great point... poor choice of words there! 
I’m leaning toward the 26!
Chris 


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As a potential investment 
 
  
 
Neither!
 
  
 
Boats are not investments.  We have spent at least double on each of our last 
three boats than they are or were worth and that is likely an understatement.  
On top of what you spend for the boat and to upgrade and maintain it you will 
have insurance, docking /mooring fees, winter storage, etc ….
 
  
 
That said less TLC with a properly working Yanmar may be the better choice,  In 
terms of sailing likely the 27
 
  
 
Mike
 
Halifax, NS
 
  
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Chris Graham 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 8:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chris Graham
Subject: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?
 
  
 
Good morning all!
 
  
 
I know this is such a general and subjective question but it is one that I am 
currently faced with. Imagine two boats, the 26' and the 27' both in the same 
ball park in terms of price, the 26' is a bit newer, the 27' is a 1974. 
 
  
 
Looking for a nice coastal cruiser and overnighter on the Maine coast as my 
blue water days are probably over. I have two teenaged daughters so I so need a 
bit of space aboard. The 26' has a 10.5 beam and good headroom, the 27' I 
believe is 8.5? Good headroom and dinette set up.
 
  
 
I wont get into too many details but the 27 needs a bit more TLC but for sake 
of argument, let's say they are of similar quality. Majot different is that the 
26' has a Yanmar SB8 and the 27 an A4 with a bit of a cooling issue (perhaps 
stemming form the water jacket?).
 
  
 
As a potential investment, which model would you recommend and why? I have had 
several friends steer me toward the 27 as they felt that there is no market for 
a fat 26'er?!!?! Really? IS the 27' a safer bet? Better choice for what I am 
looking for or better when it comes to resale (possibly)? 
 
  
 
Any specifics on sailing characteristics and how the two might match up? The 
27' needs a rudder rebuild which I have done once and am comfortable doing so 
Im not too scared about that, but it is a major repair that should be fixed 
sooner than later. winches were stiff and would need attention...also had a 
hank on Jib where the 26 has roller furling headsail. No MSD tank in the 27', 
the 26' is ready to go. 
 
  
 
Curious what the consensus might be in the group and any comments or 
suggestions would be greatly appreciated and helpful.
 
  
 
Thanks so much
 
Chris
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Re: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Thank you Rick! 


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FWIW, there is a nice 30-1 in my marina here in Washington, NC that could be 
bought for between $5K and $6K. Add another $3k or so, and it could be brought 
to someplace like Newport for you to pick up and bring to Maine. The owner has 
health issues and is only interested in selling the boat quickly. The boat is 
on really good shape, and does not appear to need much TLC. Though you might 
want to upgrade items as you go along.

  

Email me off list if you might be interested in more information.

  

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

  

  

  

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Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 7:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chris Graham 
Subject: Stus-List C&C 26' or 27'?

  

Good morning all!

  

I know this is such a general and subjective question but it is one that I am 
currently faced with. Imagine two boats, the 26' and the 27' both in the same 
ball park in terms of price, the 26' is a bit newer, the 27' is a 1974. 

  

Looking for a nice coastal cruiser and overnighter on the Maine coast as my 
blue water days are probably over. I have two teenaged daughters so I so need a 
bit of space aboard. The 26' has a 10.5 beam and good headroom, the 27' I 
believe is 8.5? Good headroom and dinette set up.

  

I wont get into too many details but the 27 needs a bit more TLC but for sake 
of argument, let's say they are of similar quality. Majot different is that the 
26' has a Yanmar SB8 and the 27 an A4 with a bit of a cooling issue (perhaps 
stemming form the water jacket?).

  

As a potential investment, which model would you recommend and why? I have had 
several friends steer me toward the 27 as they felt that there is no market for 
a fat 26'er?!!?! Really? IS the 27' a safer bet? Better choice for what I am 
looking for or better when it comes to resale (possibly)? 

  

Any specifics on sailing characteristics and how the two might match up? The 
27' needs a rudder rebuild which I have done once and am comfortable doing so 
Im not too scared about that, but it is a major repair that should be fixed 
sooner than later. winches were stiff and would need attention...also had a 
hank on Jib where the 26 has roller furling headsail. No MSD tank in the 27', 
the 26' is ready to go. 

  

Curious what the consensus might be in the group and any comments or 
suggestions would be greatly appreciated and helpful.

  

Thanks so much

Chris
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