Stus-List Re: Propeller Strut

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Peter,

Personally I wouldn’t worry about its strength.  When I bought my ’83 Landfall 
35, it had a bent drive shaft from where previous owner’s  boatyard lifted the 
boat with the sling too far aft and the rear sling slid back onto the prop 
shaft.   We replaced the shaft and the cutlass bearing and while the strut 
showed some evidence of stress specifically where the fairing compound between 
the hull and strut had some visible stress crack, the alignment and the 
rigidity of the strut was intact.

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram,MA

 

From: Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List  
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2024 8:09 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Peter Cowenhoven 
Subject: Stus-List Propeller Strut

 

Does any know how the strut on an 84 Landfall 35 is affixed.  I'm wondering if 
there is a backing plate because if so there is no access to that part of the 
hull as they installed the floor and box over it.  Or is it just screwed in?

 

That part of the hull doesnt seem partcularly thick or strong.  I'm wondering 
if glassing over it to re-enforce it is a possibility??

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Peter Cowenhoven

1984 Landfall 35

Clinton, CT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Lifeline safety netting

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Joe,

When I did bow on Zoomer (C 40) back in the early 2000’s we set up our bow 
pulpit and the forward two lifeline stanchions just like that to keep the jib 
on board during a douse.  It was pretty effective.

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2023 10:15 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Lifeline safety netting

 

Here is what mine looks like:

http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/net.jpg

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Lifeline safety netting

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The few times I've sailed single handed on my boat, I kept my Edson One Step
boarding ladder on deck hooked to midships stanchions near the gate.  I then
keep a line attached to the One step that hangs overboard at a height that
could be easily reached with me in the water with an inflated PFD (ever
tried to raise your arms above your shoulders with an inflated PFD?  Not an
easy task..)

Fortunately, I've never had to test it out in an emergency.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

'83 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: Barry McKee via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 2:35 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: 'Della Barba, Joe' ; virb...@cogeco.ca
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Lifeline safety netting

 

A PFD safety harness, tether and jackline might be a better alternative.

 

Barry McKee

Discovery II

Burlington, ON

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: 28-Mar-23 2:03 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Lifeline safety netting

 

I find it very useful to keep dogs, kids, and sails on deck. An adult is
much more likely to go over the top.

Joe

Coquina

 

From: David Knecht via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 1:46 PM
To: CnC CnC discussion list mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Lifeline safety netting

 

Since I sail often single/double handed, I am thinking about adding lifeline
safety netting to my boat.  It seems like it might be useful to prevent
rolling off the deck into the water (ie. death).  Never having fallen off a
boat, I am not sure if it is really worth it and if there are many scenarios
where these might prevent disaster.  Does anyone have experience about the
pro/cons of doing this?  Thanks- Dave

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 

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Stus-List Re: Chandleries

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Having been a supplier to many marine chandleries over the past 20+ years while 
working for Edson and now Novabraid, there’s definitely been some decline in 
quality retail access in the past 24 months.  Surprisingly many of these issues 
came in the wake of a huge surge in retail boat and accessory sales during and 
just after the height of the pandemic and may boat supply businesses had record 
sales during this period, despite some of the supply chain challenges that 
occurred.   Perhaps those business owners are taking their profits to the bank 
and streamlining their sales channels to avoid bankruptcy if a recession 
occurs.   Obviously, prices are rising as a function of inflation and 
transportation costs and many retail business struggle to find qualified 
employees.  West Marine was renowned for hiring retirees who would work part 
time to get the employee discount but I think most of those folks have weighed 
anchor and retired for good.  My nephew has been an assistant manager at a West 
Marine for several years and they’ve been forced to scale back to a 5 day work 
week as they only had two employees for the entire store, a manager and an 
assistant.

Defender, unfortunately is going through a rather difficult transition under 
new ownership and most of my sailing friends are struggling with their new 
website.  They’re currently remodeling the retail outlet, downsizing display 
areas and relying far more on their phone customer service team to help with 
product applications rather than their in store counter help.  I’ve been told 
it will be up to speed in a few weeks, but this is the start of boat prep 
season in New England and the Northeast so they could not have picked a worse 
time to shut down the retail store.

One outlet that folks haven’t mentioned is Hamilton Marine up in Maine.  
They’ve got a pretty comprehensive product selection and pricing is typically a 
bit less than you’ll find at West Marine.  5 store locations as well.  Not a 
super discount place, but their staff is pretty seasoned without much turnover. 
 You probably won’t find the latest and greatest new Harken carbon fiber maxi 
yacht winches there, but for hardware, bottom paint, and mooring chain, they do 
just fine.

And there’s always the local “head of the harbor” marine store at the hometown 
boatyard.  Yes, you’ll pay more for that bottom paint, but giving them some 
business on the retail side means they’re more likely to have the water pump 
impeller you need when your boat starts overheating the day before you leave on 
your summer cruise.

Have a great season, y’all,

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 11:27 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Chandleries

 

Most people I talk to are disappointed at the direction Defender has been going 
after being purchased by a Hedge Fund, or whomever, and West has been pretty 
pricey since Randy Repass left years ago, and now that doesn't look too good - 

 


  downgraded Rising Tide Holdings to SD, which means selective default. “We 
view the transaction as tantamount to a default because creditors will receive 
less value than originally promised, and we view the exchange as distressed,” 
S wrote.>>

 

I guess Rising Tides, dba West Marine, is ebbing.

 

Does anyone  have any favorites for Parts, like BOE Marine, Go2Marine, etc?  I 
can't find my bottom paint for less than $395 A Gallon. Even Fishermen's supply 
is not that great anymore.

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada Erie, PA 

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Stus-List Re: Furling Sail C 35 Mk I

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North Sails used to make a jib sock to put over a roller furled jib.  I’m 
curious if the lofts still offer it.  I know the one in Annapolis used to make 
them.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

 

 

From: Bob Mann via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 9:55 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bob Mann 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furling Sail C 35 Mk I

 

For about $700 I had a jib sock made. I use it rather than having a sacrificial 
added to every sail.  Takes 10 minutes longer to head out and to pack up at the 
dock. 

 

Bob 

On 03/01/2023 9:23 AM Steve Mallett via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

 

 

For my 32 jib, replacing the dacron UV strip was $550 plus tax CDN in 2022. At 
local North Sails rep. 

 

Steve Mallett 

Dartmouth, NS 

C Second Lady 

 

On Wed, Mar 1, 2023, 9:47 AM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List, 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

Don, 

 

You mentioned that you replaced the sun cover on your furling sail. 

 

I am interested at the costs, as when I tried last year, I couldn't find a 
solution that was cost effective. The costs of replacing the sun cover (and I 
wanted just a  

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Stus-List Re: Boats to avoid; formerly- Boatless again

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One thing to be careful about is the potential or lack thereof of builder or 
manufacturer support further down the road.  Saga Yachts were very cool boats 
with an awesome design, but a mercurial and dishonest owner and builder 
company.  Saga merged (bought up?) Pacific Seacraft when it was located in 
California and then gloriously disappeared leaving at least two buyers with 
deposits,  hanging in the lurch with half built boats.  Steve Brodie then 
acquired Pacific Seacraft, moved it to Washington, NC and tried to help the 
Saga dealer nearby with completing the boat. The boat buyer had to pay twice 
for many of the components for the boat (since the former ownership had made 
off with the customers down payments).

I’m not sure if there’s anything left of Saga Yachts, but if you buy one, keep 
in mind that there were far fewer built than C meaning the availability of 
anything specially built for the boat is going to be hard to find if 
replacements are needed.

And regarding a Bob Perry design, he and Rob Ball were very good friends and 
had a lot of respect for each other’s work.

 

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Broken C 36' Stern Chocks (aka Fairleads)

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Newport Nautical in Newport RI deals with used marine parts as well.  

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

 

From: Tim Rutherford via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2023 2:59 PM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Tim Rutherford 
Subject: Stus-List Broken C 36' Stern Chocks (aka Fairleads)

 

Looking for a lead to buy salvage stern chocks for a 1981 C 36-1.

 

Both port and starboard chocks were broken when Hurricane Ian drained all the 
water out of Tampa Bay and left our boats hanging by the dock lines.

 

I've checked the usual suspects already: Holland Marine, Klacko, South Shore 
Yachts, Sailorman. Any help you can offer is most appreciated.

 

Piccies:

Port side broken stern chock 

 

Starboard broken stern chock 

 

 

Thanks,

--
Tim Rutherford

Davis Island Yacht Club

Tampa, FL

tim.rutherford.m...@gmail.com  

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Stus-List Re: Replacing Original Boom

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Randy,
While I've never experienced a Selden boom on any C, I've been racing on a 
Beneteau First 40 (Farr Yacht Design) for the past few years which has a Selden 
spar set up.   I do "pit" on race nights.   The in-boom outhaul, reef lines, 
and vang controls work seamlessly and can be adjusted in most reasonable wind 
conditions.  With regards to the outhaul, there's a winch just aft of the rope 
clutches and I don't think I could pull on the outhaul by hand in anything more 
than 10kts of breeze (it’s a really big main on the Beneteau).  It really wants 
to be on the winch.
Like everything else, it’s a matter of getting the proper sized lines to work 
with the sheave sizes in the boom assembly along with periodic maintenance of 
the lines and sheaves involved.  Also, gooseneck fittings are not universal so 
if you have bits of the gooseneck welded to the mast, make sure that the new 
one is compatible with mast fitting.
Good luck with the upgrade!
Chuck Gilchrest
Half Magic
1983 Landfall 35
Padanaram, MA

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From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2023 10:57 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Randy Stafford 
Subject: Stus-List Replacing Original Boom

Happy New Year Listers.

I’m contemplating replacing the original boom on my 30 MK I with a new Selden 
BS120-03B.  This is an outgrowth of my offseason project to replace sheaves & 
halyards, add deck organizers and rope clutches to lead lines aft, etc.

What attracts me to a new modern boom is being able to run the outhaul and reef 
lines through sheaves at its aft end, through the boom, through sheaves at its 
forward end, down to turning blocks on the mast at the collar, then aft via 
deck organizers to rope clutches.  The Selden booms also have a pretty slick 
internal single-line reefing system for two reef points.

I’ve requested a few quotes and so far the price is less than I feared - 
reasonable enough to actually do it.

Have any of y’all done this before, and have any experience to report?

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
SV Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO
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Stus-List Re: Moving 43 landfall from GA to FL and riggers.

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Brownell Transportation hauls quite a few boats headed south from New England 
and has been one of the primary transportation companies for boat manufacturers 
attending various boat shows around country.

www.Brownellboattransport.com  

Tom Brownell has been doing this for decades.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

 

 

From: Chuck Saur via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 9:52 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Chuck Saur 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Moving 43 landfall from GA to FL and riggers.

 




 

 

Chuck Saur

517 490-5926 Cell

Call Jim Burt at Great Lakes Marine Transport.  Yes, they are in Wisconsin but 
travel all over.  Sometimes a small run like yours would be possible and 
perhaps cheaper on a dead-head run to somewhere else.  Did an incredible job 
for me from Lake Lanier to Hessel, Michigan!!

 

 

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 5:32 PM david coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Neil and Tom. It is on Lake Lanier .no icw.it   came by truck 
from Florida and returns to our second home there on West coast Florida. It 
requires a truck and that is why I asked the group. Last time I use a 
transportation  truck company was 15 years ago and my go to  driver is retired.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2022, 4:50 PM Neil Andersen via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Or hire a captain

 

Sincerely,

Neil 

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Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

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Mike, 

I haven’t found it to be a big issue, although I’m running the Keurig either at 
anchor or on a mooring and not while I’m running a whole lot of other devices 
such as radar/chartplotter.  12V Adler Barbour refrigerator adds somewhat to 
the battery draw. The toaster oven is a different story as it is rated at 
1300w.  That gets used very sparingly.  Two series 31 batteries (100amps each) 
hooked up to 2 100W solar panels helps refresh the system rather quickly.

I also tend to turn off various circuits when not in use (gray and fresh water 
pump, radar, instruments, select lighting) that seems to help keep battery 
charge levels manageable.

Chuck Gilchrest

83’ Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 12:14 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

 

Hi Chuck

 

Will a 2000w inverter run a coffee machine such as Keurig which draws 600w?  
How is this on the batteries?

 

Thanks

 

Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS

 

From: Novabraid via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: November 18, 2022 12:07 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net <mailto:csgilchr...@comcast.net> 
Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

 

Pete,

I have a newer Xantrex 2000W inverter/charger that I use on my Landfall 35.  I 
have 2 type 31 lead acid house batteries.  Because I’m on a mooring and run 12v 
refrigeration, I’m also using 2 100w solar panels mounted on the bimini.

But with regards to the Xantrex inverter/charger, when we cruise, my wife likes 
to use her single cup Keurig coffee maker and we also have an older Black and 
Decker toaster oven on board.  We don’t run both at the same time, but we’ve 
never seen huge draw from the batteries afterwards.

Overall, I’m pretty happy with it.  We have used the charger function when the 
boat is on the hard for the winter and can plug into “shore power” using 110V 
adapter on the shore power cable..

Chuck Gilchrest

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

From: pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 10:38 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net <mailto:pete.shelqu...@comcast.net> 
Subject: Stus-List charger/inverter

 

I am looking to update my shore power charger and considering charger/inverter 
with lithium batt capabilities.  

 

There are lots of manufacturers out there.  Can anyone provide reliable 
resources to review or recommendations?

 

Thanks,

Stus-List Re: charger/inverter

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

Pete,

I have a newer Xantrex 2000W inverter/charger that I use on my Landfall 35.  I 
have 2 type 31 lead acid house batteries.  Because I’m on a mooring and run 12v 
refrigeration, I’m also using 2 100w solar panels mounted on the bimini.

But with regards to the Xantrex inverter/charger, when we cruise, my wife likes 
to use her single cup Keurig coffee maker and we also have an older Black and 
Decker toaster oven on board.  We don’t run both at the same time, but we’ve 
never seen huge draw from the batteries afterwards.

Overall, I’m pretty happy with it.  We have used the charger function when the 
boat is on the hard for the winter and can plug into “shore power” using 110V 
adapter on the shore power cable..

Chuck Gilchrest

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

From: pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 10:38 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List charger/inverter

 

I am looking to update my shore power charger and considering charger/inverter 
with lithium batt capabilities.  

 

There are lots of manufacturers out there.  Can anyone provide reliable 
resources to review or recommendations?

 

Thanks,

Stus-List Re: Woodpecker attacks genoa

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I had a tougher time when the ospreys left and the cormorants moved in.  Yes, 
the osprey can turn your boat into a sushi bar garbage bin with fishbones and 
guts scattered everywhere, but the cormorants seem to be able to spray bird poo 
all over the boat even better than a commercial painting outfit.   I’ve 
invested heavily in bird mitigation equipment throughout my boat. Noisy whirly 
things fore and aft, spikes on the spreaders, and tripper lines across the 
cockpit.  Seems effective this summer but the boat’s still in the water.

One year when I put the boat in early, some swallows thought it would be fun to 
build a nest in the hollow opening of the end of the boom.  First time I 
tensioned the outhaul a huge clump of twigs and sticks shot out the end of the 
boom.  Fortunately, no bird eggs.

Who would have thought that sailing could be so intertwined with ornithology..

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 11:52 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: Woodpecker attacks genoa

 

Wait until an osprey couple moves in – they make an enormous mess very quickly!

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 11:37 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Woodpecker attacks genoa

 

Weeds, Alligators, woodpeckers - What's next?

 

Joel

 

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 11:35 AM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

They drum to mark their territory, as well. I have seen (and heard) them 
drumming on the telephone poles (esp. the top metal cap) and on our 
eavestroughs.

Marek
Ottawa, ON 

-Original Message-
From: Adrian C Humphreys via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 11:12 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Adrian C Humphreys mailto:adri...@telamontech.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Woodpecker attacks genoa

Woodpeckers will also drum when seeking a mate. I've seen one rap on an 
aluminum ladder, no bugs on it. Very loud.

Adrian Humphreys
Epilogue, Rockport ME
C 33-2 
adri...@telamontech.com  




> On Sep 16, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List   > wrote:
> 
> Strange.  Heard repetitive tapping sound while on the boat this week.  The 
> source was a woodpecker attacking the furled genoa on a neighboring boat.  
> Must have been bugs in the sail.  Link to picture:
> 
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1kc4okG4zrUi3Vh4GgUM4wJZAQE4fGFNt%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing
>  
> 
>  
> data=05%7C01%7C%7C76499e53bae741ecf3e808da97f5f30f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637989379854903918%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=7An28oCIHE7%2FL5LRjw%2FQmDfNwpsM2lJ2gUp2K35op94%3Dreserved=0
> 
> -- 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA




 

-- 

Joel 

Stus-List Rob Ball

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List folks,

As you all have heard, Rob Ball is no longer with us.  I was very fortunate
to know Rob and his family quite well as he and I worked together at Edson,
we raced together on various C's and Etchells and shared numerous dinners
and glasses of wine over the past few decades. His family and ours are
intertwined in many ways.  I will miss his friendship more than words can
express.

At his memorial service at the New Bedford Yacht Club attended by hundreds
of friends and colleagues, his C 35 Mk 3 "Opus" was dressed with signal
flags and a Canadian Flag flying from the stern on the club's main dock.  It
is with a tinge of happiness that I tell you all that his boat will be
heading north to its new permanent home in Newcastle, Ontario now being
skippered by Rob's son Dayton.  We're not sure when that will happen, either
on a trailer, or by water, but Dayton and his 3 young boys will continue
Rob's legacy of sailing back in Rob's home waters of Lake Ontario.

 

I'm sure Rob would be happy with that knowledge.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

Stus-List Re: Solar Panel on Bimini top

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My canvas maker has sewn sunbrella tabs with fuzzy Velcro underneath on the 
bimini that run the length and width of the solar panel.  We were able to sew 
lengths of the toothed Velcro directly to the perimeter of the panels.  The 
tabs go over the outer edges of the panels, securing them in place on all 4 
sides. As such, my panels can be easily removed when the bimini top needs to be 
stowed away for weather events simply by peeling back the velcro.

Chuck Gilchrest

1983 Landfall 35

 

 

From: Jeff Nelson via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 9:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jeff Nelson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Solar Panel on Bimini top

 

That doesn't affect your compass?

On 2022-07-27 09:32, Kevin Wright via CnC-List wrote:

I have 4 panels mounted on our bimini using rare-earth-magnet. Seen over 40 
knots without any issues. 

https://suntechsolar.ca/product/rare-earth-magnet-mounting-kit/


 

Kevin Wright

Landfall 43

Raven

Midland ON

 

 

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022, 8:22 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Has anyone figured out how to mount a flexible solar panel on the bimini top 
without the panel edges/corners chafing the sunbrella? 

 

Wade

Oh Boy, C 33 mk II

Lake of the Woods





-- 
Cheers,
  Jeff Nelson
  Muir Caileag
  C 30 - 549
  Armdale Y.C.

Stus-List Re: Asym Rigging and Trim

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

Randy,
I found it to be very important to have a clutch for the tack line.  When the 
tack line is pulled to set the chute,it needs to be deployed with the clutch 
closed.  The only time you release the tack line is when the sail is almost all 
the way down, just enough to get the sail below deck.  As previously mentioned, 
you'll need to play with how much tack line is right for sailing angle and wind 
conditions.  For a boat designed primarily for a symmetric spinnaker,  anything 
deeper than 150 degrees and the Asym will really struggle even with the tack 
line eased a few feet.  On the boat I race on, we put our turning blocks for 
spin sheets about 1/2 way back in the cockpit and lead to the opposite side 
coach roof winch so we can sheet from the windward side of the boat, giving the 
trimmer the best view of the sail.   With all the lines (tack line, spin  
sheets, outhaul, twings, furling line, main halyard) collecting at the 
coachroof/companionway and the spin sheets crossing each other,  it’s a full 
time job for the pit person to keep lines untangled and makes for lots of 
flying elbows during a gybe.  But in truth, by losing a pole up and pole down 
control line, there's actually a bit less clutter and the trimmer only needs to 
really pay attention to the one sheet rather than both a sheet and guy.  You're 
going to love it, especially in shifty Chatfield conditions.
Chuck Gilchrest

-Original Message-
From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 1:04 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Asym Rigging and Trim

Hey Randy,
Great questions regarding sail trim.  

Can't wait to see some pictures of your assym setup.  I still haven't gotten 
the A sail up but I put up some pictures of the sprit on my Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/chuck.scheaffer

Chuck S



> On 07/10/2022 9:45 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Listers I am appealing to your collective wisdom on rigging and trimming an 
> asymmetrical spinnaker.
> 
> For Grenadine’s 50th birthday this year, I added a new furling genoa on a new 
> Selden 204S furler, a retractable Selden 75 bowsprit, and an A2 asymmetrical 
> spinnaker on a Selden GX10 top-down furler.  I’m installing the latter two 
> birthday presents on Tuesday.
> 
> This is all to improve my downwind performance, and facilitate fast upwind / 
> downwind sail plan changes at the marks and on the course, in my club’s races.
> 
> I guess my specific questions are as follows, but I would appreciate any 
> additional tips you old salts might offer.
> 
> 1. Leading the tack line - I’m repurposing the foredeck padeye and block, 
> side-deck fairleads, and cabin-side cam cleat for my former pole down line to 
> run the asym tack line, which of course goes through the bowsprit lengthwise. 
>  My pole down line is too short to be the asym tack line, so I’ve repurposed 
> a little-used genoa sheet.  I figure if the deck hardware was sufficient for 
> a symmetrical pole down line, it ought to suffice for an asym tack line.  Am 
> I wrong?
> 
> 2. Where to put the turning blocks for the asym sheets: same place as for the 
> symmetrical, or farther forward?  For the symmetrical turning blocks I use 
> snatch blocks at the stern pulpit braces.
> 
> 3. What winch to lead to / where to trim from?  My main competitor leads his 
> asym sheets to cabintop winches, and trims from the windward side deck so the 
> trimmer can see the whole sail.
> 
> 4. When and how much to ease the tack line?  By default I assume it’s 
> tensioned so that the aysm’s tack is at the bowsprit and the luff is taut, 
> but it can be eased - how much, and under what conditions?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any wisdom you mmight share.
> 
> Fun fact: the sail is black, with a logo of an M67 grenade on both sides, 
> because of the etymology of my boat’s name, and because of her color scheme 
> (red topsides, white deck and cabintop, black canvas.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> SV Grenadine
> C 30 MK I #79
> Ken Caryl, CO

Stus-List Re: Engine not turning over

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

Marek,

The vast majority of issues relating to maintenance and especially replacement 
of components are caused by “efficiencies” in the build process.  Specifically 
regarding the order in which the hull, interior structure, headliner, and 
subsequently the deck are assembled.  Until you’ve seen a “modern” boat, 
especially a powerboat, with no deck or interior pan installed, you have no 
idea of how much “stuff” is hidden in the bilge or sandwiched between layers of 
assembled structures.  Truth be told, accessing wire connections after 40 years 
of service pales in comparison to the hours saved in assembly and it makes 
little difference to the buyer at the time of purchase of the boat when new.  
And unlike the automotive world where each car model has a comprehensive 
service manual,  actually working and fixing boats has never been a builder 
priority, and many repair techniques are discovered by trial and error.

Many of the bits and pieces of the interior that are screwed in place can be 
made inaccessible after the deck is installed.  I cite my refrigerator lid that 
uses a piano style hinge to open.  After 38 years, the screws holding the hinge 
lid have pulled out from the countertop; however you cant access the screw 
heads to replace them because the extent of the opening is limited by the 
overhang of the deck in the galley.  Try removing a factory installed Raritan 
water heater that’s bigger than the opening in the lazarette.  Easy, just 
remove the entire diesel.  Of course it was installed at the factory with the 
deck off.

That’s why forums such as these are so darn valuable.  Thank you Stu!

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Pandanaram, MA

From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:53 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine not turning over

 

Is this an ABYC rule to hide all the important electrical connections in places 
that are completely inaccessible for a normal person?

 

It seems that way...

 

Marek

1994 C270 Legato

Ottawa ON 

 

 

 

Sent from my Android-based can on a string

 

 

Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

When I purchased my insurance for Half Magic (Landfall 35) I reached out to a 
fellow sailor who has been a life long insurance agent (and son of a noted boat 
builder) and asked if he’d secure insurance for my boat to cover a range 
possible needs.  At the time I was more concerned about who I would call in the 
event of significant loss (we get the occasional hurricane and tropical storm 
up in Buzzards Bay) and I recall when TS Irene came up the coast damaging a 
number of boats owned by friends, this agent was at the docks at 7am the 
morning after the storm, arranging for transportation and repairs for the boat 
owners that had notified him.  Great customer service and all bases were 
covered.

So when I reached out to him, I listened to the coverages he recommended and 
took his advice on upping some coverage for things that I hadn’t considered to 
be important.  Given the age of the boat (1983) there weren’t as many companies 
willing to insure Half Magic and all required an extensive survey prior to 
securing coverage.  I was fine with that.  My surveyor owned a Landfall 38 at 
the time and he found a few items that required attention all of which were 
addressed and reported to the insurance company to get it into compliance.  And 
the insurance group that wound up giving me coverage was Hagerty which is 
underwritten by Essentia Insurance.  Hagerty specializes in insuring boats and 
cars that fall into the ”vintage” category and seem to have a good grasp on the 
differences between insuring a 5 year old Sea Ray and a 40 year old C  They 
keep up on boat values because that’s what they specialize in.

About a year ago, my agent let me know that it would be wise to up the coverage 
on my boat because of the increases in labor and parts that boatyards were 
charging, not wanting me to be under insured if something happened. Also that 
replacing my boat would be more expensive because there was a lack of 
inventory.   The increase in the premium was nominal and my coverage was upped 
to $30K with a 10% deductible.

So my advice is to not always shop for the cheapest coverage, but to seek out 
an insurance professional that understands what type of coverage you require to 
protect your asset and keep you on the water.  Insurance is a racket but it 
helps to have someone looking out for your best interests.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

From: Matthew via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 9:24 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Matthew 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

 

Aside from premium increases, the problem with Geico policies – as this list 
exposed – is the annual reduction of part replacement cost for older boats 
until you hit the 20% floor.  As I understand the issue, if I lose my mast and 
the replacement is, say $30K, Geico will pay $6K.  That is totally unacceptable.

 

From: Brian Davis via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 



 

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

Rob,

Recommending two things:

1. Change both filters and perform this task annually (or more often if your 
source of diesel is questionable.) 

2. Find out if your mechanic is willing to have you “help” perform the filter 
change as it will likely be the first thing he’ll want to do.  You really need 
to learn how to make filter changes and to learn how to bleed the fuel system 
once a filter has been changed.

Changing the fuel filters will reveal a lot since you’ll be able to see what’s 
contaminating the fuel system or causing a blockage.  Its conceivable that your 
primary (or lift) fuel pump that brings fuel to the engine from the fuel tank 
may have a worn or leaky diaphragm. Look for traces of diesel around the edges 
of the pump housing.   An easy fix but harder to diagnose if you can get the 
engine to run a full speed after you change the filters.  

 Not sure what marine education options are available in Halifax but its always 
good to think about taking a marine diesel course for peace of mind.  I did it 
about 5 years ago at Annapolis School of Seamanship and it’s given me 
confidence to do some basic problem solving and service myself.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List  
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 9:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Abbott 
Subject: Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF

 


Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out heading 
into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the engine 
wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be that 
complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to trouble 
shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to him and told 
him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine not getting 
enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had the bottom of it 
replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He thinks one or both of 
the filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't 
think so. 

Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  the 
engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat

Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

 

Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets catch on shrouds

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

Dave, 

I think the size of the soft shackle (if you’re just using one) may be part
of the issue.  Soft shackles are made from high modulus fibers, usually
either Dyneema or Spectra (both UHMWPE) or some generic version of the same
material.  All of which are far stronger than your sheets thus allowing you
to downsize your soft shackle to something smaller than the sheet itself.
Conventional wisdom with regards to virtually anybody buying sheets or sheet
attachments is they want them large enough to handle easily and similarly,
the soft shackles are a bit easier to handle with gloves if they’re sized
appropriately large.  But they don’t need to be.  If you’re using a 7/16
genoa sheet, the largest that soft shackle needs to be regarding strength is
either 3/16” or ¼” diameter.  That alone should make it easier for the
shackle to pass by the shrouds.  On my boat, the issue becomes the sheet
hanging up on the turnbuckles of the shrouds.  I’ve solved that issue by
putting turnbuckle boots made of a chafe material over the offending
hardware and have no problems whatsoever.

Back to the soft shackles, you mentioned you use a single soft shackle to
hold both sheets.  I’ve been a fan of using 2 smaller soft shackles which
serves two purposes.  If I have a sheet issue (like a winch override, an
unfortunate wrap around something or the need to change a jib), its easier
to do so with individual shackles so you can simply change tacks and release
each sheet independently.  That also allows for slightly smaller shackles as
well.

Just my 2 cents..

Chuck Gilchrest

1983 Landfall 35

 

 

From: David Knecht via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 1:45 PM
To: Jeffrey A. Laman 
Cc: CnC CnC discussion list ; David Knecht

Subject: Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets catch on shrouds

 

The sheets have loops spliced into the ends and the soft shackle just goes
through the two loops and attaches to itself.  I have no problem with my
100% genoa, but my 145 hangs up often.  Do you have protective tubes around
your shrouds or bare rod?  Dave

 

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT








On Jun 16, 2022, at 1:36 PM, Jeffrey A. Laman mailto:jlam...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Dave,

I am curious how your soft shackle is installed and why that hasn't solved
your problem.  After attaching sheets with a soft shackle a couple years
ago, I have not had a single hangup.

Jeff Laman

81C

Harmony

Ludington, MI

  _  

From: David Knecht via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 1:32 PM
To: CnC CnC discussion list mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Genoa sheets catch on shrouds

 

What have people found to be the best way to keep the genoa sheet attachment
from catching on the shrouds during a tack?  I use a dyneema soft shackle to
attach the sheets to the clew, but that has not solved the problem over
knots.  Thanks- Dave

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 

Stus-List Re: Annapolis boat show vs Newport

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

I’ve been an exhibitor at both Newport and Annapolis over the past 20 years.  
Now that Newport is no long a strictly sail show, the power to sail ratio for 
boats and aftermarket gear has leaned decidedly towards power.  Annapolis, 
however, is still the go to source for information on virtually any piece of 
sailing equipment and most every hardware manufacturer is on hand.  Repower 
info?  Yep.  Refrigeration? Numerous dealers and installers.  Tons of apparel, 
foul weather gear, galley ware, line, sailmakers, and much much more.

Suggestion: buy a multiple day ticket and target Thursday and Friday when 
crowds are smaller.  Or do Sunday/Monday.  Saturday is mobbed with people and 
its harder to talk to the manufacturer’s reps and get onto many of the boats.  
Monday is entertaining if you stay until the show closes, get a seat at 
Pusser’s Rum Bar overlooking the show and watch the boats leave and the docks 
get torn down while downing Painkillers.  UBER back to the hotel or AirBnB.   
The sailboat industry doesn’t really have a trade show specific to builders and 
suppliers, so Annapolis does double duty as both a consumer and industry show 
where deals are made, people jump from company to company (free agency is alive 
and well in the marine industry) and companies debut new products in front of 
the largest sailing audience in North America.   Get wild and stay out late and 
close McGarvey’s Pub on the square one night.  It’s a right of passage for most 
and again, a taxi or UBER is recommended.  With several list members sailing in 
the area, they will be better equipped to provide information on marinas and 
boatyards in the area.  It seems that the vast majority of folks stopping over 
as they head south will get moorings or find anchorages and either dinghy or 
use launches to get to shore.  Not sure how much transient dockage will be 
available during the show..

Enjoy!

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 9:00 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List Annapolis boat show vs Newport

 

Annapolis is THE original in the water boat show. Besides for all the boats and 
the town, the other interesting thing is most of the southbound cruising fleet 
is held in the Chesapeake until November 1, so the boat show is kind of an 
informal get-together for them too. 

IMHO it is well worth doing.

Start planning NOW, the places to stay downtown go quick. If you want to save 
some money and have a car, there are outlying interesting places to stay.

 

 

Joe

Coquina

Kent Island MD (across the Bay from Annapolis)

 

From: Bruno Lachance via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 9:48 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Bruno Lachance mailto:bruno_lacha...@hotmail.com> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Annapolis boat show vs Newport

 

Hey listers, 

 

Our beloved 33-2 has not splashed yet but we are already thinking about fall 
boat show season. 

In 2016 we visited the Newport boat show and are now thinking that it might be 
fun to plan a trip in October to the Annapolis boat show. But is it worth the 
trip compared to Newport? 

What we know: Actually there is not a lot of info about which boat will be 
displayed. It is about 5h further and it seems very expensive to find a place 
to stay, even a basic Airbnb.

 

We are not looking to buy a boat anytime soon, so not targeting a particular 
brand or model, but would love to see an Arcona yacht. Mostly interested in 
visiting boats and nearby marinas if accessible.

 

What are your experiences, insights? Is Annapolis worth it ?

 

Thank you very much.

 

Bruno Lachance

Bécassine, 33-2

New-Richmond,Qc

Stus-List Re: Jamestown distributors

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

Jamestown Distributors has adopted an online only sales model.  In years past, 
in addition to the retail outlet, they ran delivery trucks to the regions 
around Rhode Island and Southeastern Massachusetts to service wholesale 
accounts such as the many boatbuilders and marine businesses in the area.  It 
encouraged many dealers to buy from JD especially with regards to paints and 
chemicals which often were expensive to ship.  That stopped as well.

 

I suspect the efficiency of an ecommerce business saved the cost of labor and 
in store inventory in the long run.  Their business hours (posted on google) 
are likely accurate although they no longer sell to walk in customers.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: DJ via CnC-List  
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2022 11:57 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: DJ 
Subject: Stus-List Jamestown distributors 

 

Hi all, 

Did you guys know Jamestown distributors closed the store? 

 

I'm sat here in their driveway looking at a sign that reads,  "the store is 
permanently closed"

 

Google said they're open...

 

Danny

 

On Apr 18, 2022 11:19 AM, Stu via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Today is the last day to get your custom C cutting board with free 
boat name and font.  A savings of up to $8.00 

Order form is on the C Photo Album site -- http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ 

Stu 

 

Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

Dave,
Below 4 or 5hp they almost all needed pre-mix.  I had a 2hp Yamaha just like 
yours.  No reverse gear either.. Just swing the engine the opposite direction!  
But I'm pretty sure the Sail-8 and Sail-9 Suzukis had auto-oiling systems for 
mixing the 2 stroke oil.
Chuck G.
-Original Message-
From: David Risch via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 4:29 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

Chuck...just dated myself big time!  

My little Yamy for the spare dinghy must be that old.  Still runs like a champ 
though!

-Original Message-
From: Novabraid via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 4:26 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

David and Andy,
Most 2 cycle engines make for marine use in the past 25 years have oil injector 
systems with a separate oil tank that independently mixes the 2 stroke oil with 
the gasoline inside the engines.  If your engine is flinging oil up against the 
transom, it could be from a fitting on the oil tank and pump.  This assembly is 
usually under the upper cowl of the engine and would be pretty accessible.  You 
would probably find a significant amount of oil covering the inside of the cowl 
as well.
It is also possible that the staining might be coming from unburnt oil from the 
exhaust, although that usually exits the engine behind or below the engine.  
Does the engine smoke excessively?
If the oil seems to be coming from further down the engine and shaft, that 
would indicate that it was a case of the final drive oil being considerably 
over filled and is spewing out a vent hole.  Before I would run the engine this 
way for an entire season,  I'd spend more time finding the source of the oil 
splattering rather than doing an elaborate fix to protect the finish on the 
transom.  These engines don't weigh very much and are not that tough to remove 
from the transom bracket.
Chuck Gilchrest



-Original Message-
From: David Risch via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 4:05 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

Get that clear plastic material folks put on the nose of their cars to protect 
it from chips.  I would think an autoparts store or Amazon (where I got mine 
for a different application).

I am wondering about flinging oil and a 2 stroke.  Oil should be in gas and not 
in a "flingable" location?

-Original Message-
From: Andy Frame via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 1:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andy Frame 
Subject: Stus-List Engine Oil Staining Transom


I obtained an old two-stroke Suzuki Sail-8 for my first outboard for my 24. It 
has a few issues, one being is flings small amounts of oil at the transom, so 
now I have some minor staining. It's less of a spot, and more of a discolored 
patch where the oil has absorbed.

I am looking for any kind of coating that I can temporarily use for the season 
to minimize the damage until I have the opportunity to haul-out this coming 
winter. Or if there is something that I can wipe the area down with after each 
outing that won't damage the gelcoat (such as it is). Maybe something  as 
simple as Dawn & a scrub brush?

I'd rather do a little preventive now, than have a major cleanup issue in nine 
months.

Thanks in advance.

--
s/v MaryMe
1975 C 24
Labelle, FL USA
Amateur Radio WD4RCC

Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

David and Andy,
Most 2 cycle engines make for marine use in the past 25 years have oil injector 
systems with a separate oil tank that independently mixes the 2 stroke oil with 
the gasoline inside the engines.  If your engine is flinging oil up against the 
transom, it could be from a fitting on the oil tank and pump.  This assembly is 
usually under the upper cowl of the engine and would be pretty accessible.  You 
would probably find a significant amount of oil covering the inside of the cowl 
as well.
It is also possible that the staining might be coming from unburnt oil from the 
exhaust, although that usually exits the engine behind or below the engine.  
Does the engine smoke excessively?
If the oil seems to be coming from further down the engine and shaft, that 
would indicate that it was a case of the final drive oil being considerably 
over filled and is spewing out a vent hole.  Before I would run the engine this 
way for an entire season,  I'd spend more time finding the source of the oil 
splattering rather than doing an elaborate fix to protect the finish on the 
transom.  These engines don't weigh very much and are not that tough to remove 
from the transom bracket.
Chuck Gilchrest



-Original Message-
From: David Risch via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 4:05 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

Get that clear plastic material folks put on the nose of their cars to protect 
it from chips.  I would think an autoparts store or Amazon (where I got mine 
for a different application).

I am wondering about flinging oil and a 2 stroke.  Oil should be in gas and not 
in a "flingable" location?

-Original Message-
From: Andy Frame via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 1:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andy Frame 
Subject: Stus-List Engine Oil Staining Transom


I obtained an old two-stroke Suzuki Sail-8 for my first outboard for my 24. It 
has a few issues, one being is flings small amounts of oil at the transom, so 
now I have some minor staining. It's less of a spot, and more of a discolored 
patch where the oil has absorbed.

I am looking for any kind of coating that I can temporarily use for the season 
to minimize the damage until I have the opportunity to haul-out this coming 
winter. Or if there is something that I can wipe the area down with after each 
outing that won't damage the gelcoat (such as it is). Maybe something  as 
simple as Dawn & a scrub brush?

I'd rather do a little preventive now, than have a major cleanup issue in nine 
months.

Thanks in advance.

--
s/v MaryMe
1975 C 24
Labelle, FL USA
Amateur Radio WD4RCC

Stus-List Re: Looking for a transmission for a yanmar

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

Joel,

Probably a good idea to list the specific boat it is supposed to fit.  I have a 
3HM in my Landfall 35 but it is fit with a Hurth V-Drive transmission, which I 
was told by my boatyard service manager that it may be a difficult item to 
replace once it starts to have issues.  I don’t know if every 3HM Yanmar fitted 
in C Yachts used the same gear, but mine can only work with the engine 
mounted “backwards” with the transmission facing forward.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: Joel Delamirande via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2021 3:43 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Delamirande 
Subject: Stus-List Looking for a transmission for a yanmar

 

Good afternoon sailors

 I have a sailor looking to buy a transmission 

For a yanmar 3HM35F or a replacement transmission 

Joel 

-- 

Joel Delamirande

  

 

www.jdroofing.ca  

 

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Stus-List Re: Whisker pole with a 37/40+?

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Bruce,

I did foredeck for a number of years on a C 40 TM/DK and when racing in the 
cruising class we ALWAYS used a whisker pole to sail wing on wing.  We actually 
carried two poles on board, one for to 100% jib and a second for the 135% and 
150%.  Yes we took a rating penalty but it made the boat much faster when you 
could project the clew further outboard.  I don’t believe the sailing rules at 
the time allowed us to pole out the jib on the leeward side using a pole but I 
could be wrong.

Our pole set up involved a mast track with a moveable car with a ring,  A “pole 
up and down” continuous control line for the car along with a topping lift and 
separate downhaul for the pole which had its own bridle lines.  There were also 
trip lines on the pole ends to release the pole from the car and jib sheet.  
This facilitated end for end gybes.  Ideally the pole was always set at 90% to 
true wind and since the boat was slower dead downwind than 170 or so, we always 
tried to keep the pole square to the wind angle.

We also found that keeping the pole low (at the mast and topping lift) would 
close the leech in light air and in heavy air, we’d let the pole go up a bit 
more but keep it controlled with a downhaul.

 

On my own boat, I have a North Gennaker on a sock which facilitates sets, 
gybes, and douses.  I’ve never tried to pole out my assym at the clew as I 
understood that, like a genoa, an asymmetric spinnaker wants airflow over both 
sides of the sail to allow it to provide the most power.  I’ve seen racing 
boats that will put the tack on a pole to move the tack further to windward, 
but the shape always seems funky and I’m thinking you’d need a sail cut for 
that specific application to do so.   So I’m resigned to doing more gybes at 
hotter angles rather than sailing DDW (dog slow on my boat).  The deeper I go, 
the more I ease the tack line on the Assym to get it projecting to windward

 

In any situation, having a ring on the leading side of the mast is essential to 
 using a pole (unless you want a bullet style to do drop pole gybes).  I’ve 
been on the receiving end of having a loaded whisker pole come around a bean me 
in the head in 20kts of breeze and I was just about knocked out.  When the 
breeze is up, always release the pole at the clew first, not the mast when 
gybing or dousing the pole.

Good luck,

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 







 

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Stus-List Engine controls and Auto Pilots

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I'm contemplating adding a new wheel mount auto pilot (Raymarine EV-100) on
my 1983 Landfall 35, equipped with an Edson 737 dual lever engine control
(the type with the two extra stainless tubes that carry the control cables).
I was curious to see if anyone on the list may have attempted to add this
style auto pilot to their boat using the same engine control to see if there
were any clearance issues between the autopilot motor/drive unit and the
control housing.  This type engine control extends below the top of the
pedestal (beneath the compass) and has up/down levers on port and starboard.

I am aware that I'm at the top end of the displacement range for a wheel
pilot, however my main reason for wanting a pilot in the first place is to
facilitate single handing the boat for setting and dousing sails as well as
picking up moorings, etc.  I'm not looking to cross oceans, just simple
coastal cruising but since my primary crew member has moved out West, not
having an auto pilot means the boat will sit on the mooring far more often.
A below deck pilot brings with it the challenge of where to mount the drive
unit and the cost of the more expensive pilot, the Edson tiller arm, and the
fabrication of a shelf to mount the drive unit.

 

Thanks for any advice.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

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Stus-List Re: wind instrument

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Peter,

For your depth and speed instrument update from Datamarine to the Tridata unit 
from Raymarine, are you able to incorporate your existing Datamarine analog 
transducers using the Raymarine ITC-5 or will you need to change through hull 
transducers as well?

I’d very much like to integrate my speed and depth with a NMEA 2000 
chartplotter (Raymarine ES series) and eventually also add wind instruments and 
digital radar but not sure if I need to upgrade the transducers.

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic

83 Landfall 35

 

From: Peter W. via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 5:47 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Peter W. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: wind instrument

 

FWIW, earlier this season, I replaced my TackTick wireless wind instrument with 
Raymarine's latest offering.  You may recall Raymarine acquired TackTick some 
years ago.  Except for the branding, The replacement is identical to the 
original, which worked well for 13 seasons.  In fact, the original unit still 
works fine for wind SPEED, but it is unreliable for DIRECTION.  Probably, I 
could have returned it for testing and possible repair, but I didn't want to 
deal with the cost of retrieval, downtime, and re-install [which assumes the 
unit could be repaired].  

I like the unit.  I don't like it when I can't get through to Raymarine.  

Since my old Datamarine knotmeter is finally giving it up, I purchased a suite 
of instruments - wind instrument + Tridata display, with wireless cap.  could 
this work for you?

 

Pete W.

 

Siren Song

'91 C 30-2

Irvington, Va.

 

 

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 2:00 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I am starting to think about adding the wind instrument to the boat. The main 
reason is for being able to feed the data (wind direction) to the EV-100 
autopilot.

 

I have a SeatalkNG network on the boat. I don’t have a Raymarine MFC, though (I 
have a small Garmin chartplotter, instead).

 

I am a minimalist (you could say “cheap”), so e.g., I don’t have a Navpod on 
the binnacle; rather I have two individual RAM mount pods (for the chartplotter 
and one for the p70s (the autopilot control head).

 

I unstep the mast for every winter, so I am biased towards a wireless unit.

 

I have a few questions:

 

- Any recommendations for the wind instrument (Raymarine, Garmin, B)? My 
first choice would be a unit that talks NMEA 2000 (SeatalkNG) (as opposed to an 
analog unit that requires an extra device (iTC-5?) to connect. But this is 
mainly to control the costs.

 

- With limited space at the helm, what is the minimum requirement to feed the 
wind data to the EV-100 autopilot? I don’t think I need the detailed wind angle 
displayed, as long as the AP can follow. Though I could put the wind display 
somewhere else (on the bulkhead?). But if that display is not required AND I 
could save the cost by not including it, I might be fine with that.

 

- Any strong recommendations against the wireless?

 

- Any other suggestions or recommendations?

 

Thanks

 

Marek

 

1994 C270 ”Legato”

Ottawa, ON

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Cancelled again

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Hey Stu,

Just a thought: having the virtual rendezvous is a great idea and its always 
good to see who shows up for any number of random discussions about our boats, 
but perhaps we’d get more interest if the meet up was a bit more focused, like 
when John Kelly Cuthbertson was able to talk about his dad’s archives on C 
items.  We’ve had some lively chats in the email exchange recently about A-4 
engines and the choices available for charging systems and electrical storage. 
Perhaps in each of the rendezvous, we could spend a bit of time on a particular 
topic first and then open up the floor for other discussions, maybe even 
inviting an outside source (Balmar, Beta Marine, an AGL battery guy, etc) to be 
a guest “expert” on the focal subject.

Given the wealth of knowledge that our owners have accumulated, putting a 
monthly schedule of topics, perhaps seasonal in nature, might yield a bit more 
participation.  And folks like Rob Mazza, John Kelly Cuthbertson, Rob Ball, and 
others could also be scheduled in to field questions or lead discussions.

While this all may be a bit much from a planning standpoint, it wouldn’t be 
difficult to start a list of topics that seem to be hot buttons for discussion 
and take it from there…

Suggestions for topics are welcome… 

Cheers,

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

 

From: Stu via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 12:09 PM
To: C Email List 
Cc: Stu 
Subject: Stus-List Cancelled again

 

Since there appears to be little interest in tonite’s virtual zoom rendezvous, 
I have cancelled it.

 

Maybe we will have more interest once the sailing season has slowed down.

 

Stay safe ‘n’ healthy.

 

Stu

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Stus-List Re: Bimini for 1984 37

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More suggestions for the bimini design:

When I acquired our Landfall 35, the previous owner had a bimini built that
extended to the back of the cockpit but had the backstay running through an
opening in the middle of the bimini, with 2 of the support struts forward of
the back stay and one behind.  I became very concerned that once the mast
was up, there would be no way to remove the extra canvas in storm
conditions, nor could I bring the frames together once the bimini was
removed.  The solution was to place a zipper from the trailing edge of the
bimini up to the point where the backstay passed through the fabric,
allowing easy removal when conditions dictated.  The clear window which
allows a view of the mainsail and windex sits forward of the opening.
Finally, since our boat is a cruiser but lives on a mooring, we had Velcro
lined canvas tabs installed on the bimini that corresponds to Velcro sewn on
the 2 "semi-flexible" 100w solar panels that live on the bimini in all but
the most extreme conditions.  The wires run down through the same opening as
the backstay and are tied off to the frame for ease of installation.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: Matthew via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 9:07 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Matthew 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Bimini for 1984 37

 

Pete:

 

When I added a bimini to my boat, I assumed that the supplier would make it
collapsible, so I could fold it up and out of the way when not in use.
Instead, the supplier made a "fixed" bimini that was permanently in place.
It got in the way of seeing the genoa in races, and is not a great idea when
storms come through.  I sent it back to the supplier, and they modified it
so it is now collapsible.  Much better.  Another feature is a small "window"
above the wheel so I can look up and see my masthead windex.  There is a
cover for the window that attaches with Velcro.

 

Matt

 

From: pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2021 9:21 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net  
Subject: Stus-List Bimini for 1984 37

 

I held out as long as I could and am now looking into adding a bimini to my
37.

 

Does anyone have strong opinion for options or recommendations for
suppliers? 

 

thx

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Stus-List Re: Another Solar question

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

My Renogy MPPT controler calls for a 20A Fuse.  I have 2 100w semi flexible 
panels.  Output is often close to 18amps

Chuck Gilchrest

s/v Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: cenelson via CnC-List  
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 5:42 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: cenelson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Another Solar question

 

I use a ~ 30 watt solar to keep my batteries topped off without using shore 
power even when it is available. It is wired directly to my start battery and 
my ACR keeps both batteries topped off.

 

My question is should I put a fuse in the positive output from the solar 
controller—IIRC it has a MPPT controller—to prevent a disaster in case a short 
develops anywhere in the panel/controller/hook-up/ etc.?

 

If so, about what size fuse?

 

Thanks,

 

Charlie Nelson

1995 C 36 XL/kcb

Water Phantom

 

My question is should 


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On Sunday, August 29, 2021, 4:39 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Does your bilge pump run that much in a week to drain your batteries. Must be a 
lot of water getting in

 

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 4:35 PM Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hi all, 

 

So, I took the solar panels and the Bimini in for the hurricane that was coming 
least week. And I had to keep them off for the week because I couldn't get back 
to the boat, and the batteries went down to 11.4 I guess running the bilge pump 
all week. I put the panels back up and I'm getting the voltage out of them but 
the victron is not charging the batteries.  Would this be an indication that 
the batteries charge has gotten too low and that the Charger won't start the 
charge?

 

 

 

Thanks, 

Danny

 

 Original message 

From: Stu via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 

Date: 8/29/21 12:19 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: C Email List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 

Cc: Stu mailto:s...@snghost.com> > 

Subject: Stus-List Don't forget the upcoming rendezvous 

 

Good afternoon

 

Don’t forget our next online/virtual rendezvous on Tuesday,

Aug 31, 2021 07:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada).

 

You must register in advance for this meeting:

https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZUtdeGrpj0iGNCGFaM3Jukol37WHaa09Z9e 

 

After registering, you will receive information about joining the meeting.

 

Hope to see you there.

 

Stay safe ‘n’ healthy

Stu

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Stus-List Re: Anyone Affected By Henri?

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Randy,
I've looked closely at the photos of at least two of the boats that broke loose 
in Narragansett Bay and it appears they had adequate chafe protection on the 
lines, but the rope appeared to be old and well weathered 3 strand.  One of the 
boats was a heavy Shannon ketch that in my opinion, should have had a much more 
robust mooring pendant.  The owner also left their bow anchor in place on the 
boat and the boat had a bob-stay, which in many cases would be a chafe point on 
the mooring pendant if the boat was swinging back and forth in waves and wind.

We're located about 30 miles to the East of Newport on Buzzards Bay and had 
much less wind and storm surge than originally forecast.  A good number of 
boats were hauled in advance of the storm and the vast majority of our friends 
sought out hurricane holes and protected anchorage if their regular mooring or 
dockage was unsuitable.  In Padanarm MA, both the commercial boatyards and the 
New Bedford YC mandated that boats could not remain in slips during the storm.  
Both Rob Ball's 35MkIII and our Landfall 35 rode out the storm on moorings with 
no issues.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 Landfall 35
Padanaram, MA

-Original Message-
From: Randal Stafford via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 12:10 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Randal Stafford 
Subject: Stus-List Anyone Affected By Henri?

Any listers in Henri’s path?

I saw a picture in the New York Times this morning of a couple large keelboats 
ashore on Conanicut Island (Jamestown, RI).  This fall I’m crewing the delivery 
of an Astrea 42 from Newport to Tortola, via Bermuda, as part of an offshore 
passage-making class from New England Sailing Center located in Jamestown.  
This morning a NESC employee emailed me that their fleet survived just fine due 
to double-bridling the boats to their moorings (and one bridle had snapped, so 
it was good that it was doubled).  She said all the boats ashore had bridle 
failures, except one that had a mooring ball screw failure and dragged its ball 
ashore.

I hope y’all in New England are getting through Henri with no damage.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO
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Stus-List Re: Rendezvous re-scheduled

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

Thanks Stu!!

 

From: Stu via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 12:05 PM
To: C Email List 
Cc: Stu 
Subject: Stus-List Rendezvous re-scheduled

 

In order to accommodate some of our Wednesday nite beer can racers, I have
rescheduled our next rendezvous to:

 

Thursday, July 8, 2021 at 7:00PM Eastern.

 

Register in advance for this meeting:

https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZ0vcO6ppzIoEt1vmmyDndPMSChNT1VMCc2
T 

 

Once registered, you will receive information on joining the meeting.

 

Hopefully, this change in dates will result in more people being able to
attend.

 

Stay safe & healthy

Stu

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Stus-List Re: Our next online rendezvous

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

Stu,

I don't know about the other folks in the group, but Wednesday nights in the
summer are beer can racing nights for me.  Any chance that could get moved
to a Monday or Tuesday?

The choice between sailboat racing and sitting in a Zoom meeting is a no
brainer for me..

Cheers,

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

Padanaram, MA

 

From: Stu via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 10:35 AM
To: C Email List 
Cc: Stu 
Subject: Stus-List Our next online rendezvous

 

An invitation to all C enthusiasts --  you are invited to our next online
rendezvous. 

 

When: Jul 7, 2021 07:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada) 

 

Now that most boats are in the water, a few races have been run and won,
there should be some good stories to share.

 

Register in advance for this meeting:

https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZ0vcO6ppzIoEt1vmmyDndPMSChNT1VMCc2
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After registering, you will receive information about joining the meeting.

 

Stay safe & healthy

Stu

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Stus-List Re: Edson Acquired

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Chip is a good guy and a life long one design and big boat sailor.  As a former 
Edson employee, I’m very happy the company didn’t get purchased by some private 
equity firm looking to trim the fat and flip the company to somebody looking to 
own a marine company as a hobby job.

Will and his brother Hank never viewed their tenure with Edson as ownership.  
They preferred to use the term stewardship to keep the traditions and history 
of a very old and diverse company moving through to the future.

Wishing Chip and company to continue to innovate and provide the same high 
standards of quality and customer service as his predecessors.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

 

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 1:52 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Edson Acquired

 

Oh well, looks like they will be in caring hands.

 

Edson Marine, the New Bedford, Mass.-based manufacturer of marine pumps, 
steering systems and a wide range of accessories has been acquired, the company 
said in a statement 

 , by Chip Johns. 

A one-time owner of Vanguard Sailboats and former member of the Sail America’s 
Board of Directors, Johns’ involvement in the marine industry dates back well 
over three decades. 

“Edson will continue to keep its roots firmly planted in quality, customer 
service and innovation,” Johns said. “[We] have an exceptional team, with an 
unrivaled product line and reputation that we will continue to make even 
better.” 

The company, which was founded in 1859, was acquired from the Keene family — 
the elder Henry and his two sons, Will and Hank, have been with Edson for more 
than 60 years. 

CEO Adam Cove, who joined Edson in 2016, will remain on board. 

“I am excited about the passion and expertise Chip Johns brings to the 
company,” said Cove. “He has all the tools and experience to lead Edson into 
its next chapter.” 

 

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Stus-List Re: Water along toe rail

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John,

Historically, baggywrinkles are pieces of old rope or fabric attached to
shrouds to reduce chafe on sails.  Maybe baggywrinkles that fall off the
shrouds can absorb water on the deck, but I don't think that's the intended
use.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

From: John Irvin via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 10:59 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: John Irvin 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Water along toe rail

 

They are called baggywrinkles. Old cotton rope works well.

 

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From: James Hesketh via CnC-List  
Sent: April 29, 2021 10:55 AM
To: Stus-List  
Cc: James Hesketh  
Subject: Stus-List Water along toe rail

 

A while back there was a discussion about using wicking material to suck up
the standing water that gets trapped along the toe rail to carry it
outboard.

 

What it the best wick material for this?

 

TIA

 

Jim Hesketh

Whisper C 26

Miami, FL

 

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Stus-List Re: Line question

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Marek,

As a rope guy and racing sailor I have to disagree with regards to using a
dynamic rope for traveler control.  While there is the occasional
desirability of shock absorbing capabilities for the traveler (which is why
most have rubber bumpers or dampers on the cars or track ends, one could
just as easily suggest dynamic rope for a main sheet.  Why not, if that's
the desired characteristic for preventing hardware damage in a bad gybe?
Because it would stretch and cause your sail to lose shape!  Same as the
traveler!

  The reason for using low stretch line for both main sheet and traveler is
that of control.  Unless you're in a drifter, there's always some level of
load on a traveler which is why most use 2:1, 4:1, or even 6:1 purchase.
Put on a stretchy line, you'll be adjusting the traveler all the time to
compensate for the high percentage of stretch.   Additionally, a dynamic
rope is much like a crash helmet, designed for one good stretch (or crunch).
Once that occurs, the rope is done, stretched out and the stretch is
non-recoverable.  So after a big crash gybe, you have a significantly
weakened rope that may not offer the performance you need for either racing
or cruising.

Dynamic climbing rope is engineered for fall protection and must be retired
after a hard fall.  And furthermore, most dynamic ropes have a parallel core
which can not be spliced.  So to terminate the dynamic rope you have to use
a knot (weakening the rope) or sew an eye to attach to a padeye or becket.
Nowhere near a strong as a proper double braid eye splice.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

(Marketing director and Rec Marine Products Manager, Novatec Braids Ltd.)

 

From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List  
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 6:46 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Line question

 

You should be able to find some climbing dynamic rope by meter (even in the
US climbing ropes are usually sold by meter not by foot). Choices are more
limited compared to pre-cut, but there are a few. 

 

Interestingly, Sailing Anarchy had a discussion on the topic.

 

The dynamic climbing ropes are pretty stretchy - 10% - 15% at about 100 kG
(let's say 200 lb). This might feel like a bungee cord. Possibly, a simple
(and cheap) double braid would work well enough.

 

Marek

 

1994 C270 Legato

Ottawa ON

 

 

 Original message 

From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 

Date: 2021-04-24 15:34 (GMT-05:00) 

To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 

Cc: Ken Heaton mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com> > 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Line question 

 

Yes.  One exception is that there is a school of thought that the traveller
should use something stretchy, like mountain climbing rope, to absorb the
shock of a jibe.  Apparently getting a piece of used climbing line shouldn't
be that difficult. 

 

Ken H.

 

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 at 16:25, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

This question shows a terrible lack of knowledge but here goes:  To replace
some running rigging like the downhaul, topping lift and traveler line, is a
double braid like Sta-Set the normal product to use?

I no longer race my own boat, so it's just what's needed for playing around.

If I measured correctly, the traveler would be quarter inch and the downhaul
would be 3/8in.

Ron

Wild Cheri

C 30-1

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Stus-List Re: Rudder post bearing for 33ii

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Matt,
Edson still makes a rudder roller bearing (I think Rob may have had something 
to do with that) but see page 10 of the catalog attached.
https://edsonmarine.com/content/Edson_T1.pdf

Whether they still have inventory in house is the question.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
83 Landfall 35
Padanaram, MA

-Original Message-
From: Matthew via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 9:04 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Matthew 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Rudder post bearing for 33ii

This may be a Rob Ball question.

We are still screwing around trying to get the fore/aft play out of my rudder.  
One of the issues is that that bronze rollers that ride on the deck ring are no 
longer the same size.  Rob previously informed me that it definitely was not 
designed that way, so one of the rollers wore significantly over 45 years.  As 
we contemplate various ways to repair the play issue (bearing replacement, West 
System bearing repair, etc.), one of my opiners suggested that we also reorient 
the rollers from fore and aft (as designed and built) to athwartships.  His 
thinking is that this will more evenly distribute the load, the bulk of which 
has obviously been taken by the worn forward roller.  This would require 
welding the existing hole at the top of the post and drilling a new one 
perpendicular to the existing one, which makes me nervous. 

Thoughts?

Matt Wolford
C 42 Custom

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Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 8:46 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Paul Fountain 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Rudder post bearing for 33ii

Is this the delrin ring around the top of the rudder post ? When ours gave up 
(split) I got one from SouthShore that was a good fit, had to get the pin also 
as the old one was bent before we bought Perception. Going to be time for 
another soon I am sure ... so interested in what you find.

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From: Dave S via CnC-List  
Sent: March 29, 2021 9:16 PM
To: C Stus List 
Cc: Dave S 
Subject: Stus-List Rudder post bearing for 33ii

So, Mike and me was talkin’.

Both our boats have  had the rudder post bearing replaced  - I was fortunate to 
have an almost intact original and was able to fabricate a pretty good 
replacement - mike was not so lucky and has a serviceable but temporary 
solution in play.
I would like to create (really, have someone more digitally capable create) an 
accurate drawing and maybe make up a few of these.
My original is broken into two segments and is therefore not the best choice as 
a pattern.  
It is very hard to measure this accurately with the rudder post installed.   
Does have a drawing or any thoughts about creating one?  This would be shared 
amongst the collective of course!

Dave - 33ii

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Stus-List Re: Rigging replacement

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Charlie,

I had to have Half Magic (83 Landfall 35) surveyed for insurance purposes with 
the mast down and a rig inspection.  Rod rigging, single spreader.  My surveyor 
is a former C Landfall 38 owner.  He looked at the attachment points at the 
mast to make sure they weren’t seized or cracked, checked the fittings at the 
spreader and turnbuckles.  Passed with flying colors.  I also talked with a 
rigger friend who echoed your comments about reheading or replacement without 
even considering inspection so there’s clearly a difference of opinion with 
regards to protocols with rod rigging.

Both Rob Ball and I have looked far and wide for evidence of boats being 
dismasted due to rod rigging failure and they are few and far between, usually 
involving a roll-over offshore.

>From what I’ve read, the rule of thumb is replacement after 40,000 to 60,000 
>miles.  At that pace, I’m good for another 50 years or so.  Unless my 
>insurance company demands replacement, I’ll continue to run what is on the 
>boat until my surveyor or I see physical evidence of deterioration.  I don’t 
>think that’s terribly irresponsible as long as it is getting regular 
>inspection.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

83 Landfall 35

Pandanaram, MA

 

 

From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 9:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List Rigging replacement

 

Hello listers--

 

My boat is entering her 26th year (delivered for use in 1995) and except for a 
replaced forestay, has its original rod-rigging.

 

Local riggers, among others, believe that rod rigging should be replaced (or 
re-headed?) at about 25 years of use. Since C finally bit the dust about 20 
years ago, I suspect

there are many listers whose rigging has or will soon reach this milestone. 

 

For background, I have never and don't have any plans to take Water Phantom 
seriously off-shore although I may cruise off-shore between marinas or up and 
down the ICW. She is used

almost exclusively for local PHRF racing in the NC sounds/rivers with 
occasional trips to Charleston or the Chesapeake. 

 

I plan to have the rigging inspected in place this month--over the years one of 
the starboard shrouds seized and it was sent off for repair but otherwise no 
issues. 

 

My question is do I need to bite the bullet and re-head or replace all the rod 
rigging at this milestone? 

 

Or can I have it seriously inspected, perhaps by the group in RI (forget the 
name), and only re-head/replace what they deem questionable.

 

Or given my use, maybe I should just "...forgetaboutit..." 

 

BTW, my rig is a triple spreader, all rod (except for the forestay) so I 
suspect the expense of replacement or re-heading is north of 5 boat bucks, not 
to mention the labor to 

take it apart and reassemble.

 

What would the list do?

 

Thanks,

 

Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom

1995 C 36 XL/kcb

 

 

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

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John,

I can understand where you want to pull the tack line to make a “firm luff”.   
I tend to do this in light air before a gybe. What I don’t understand is trying 
to feed the “tack” between the luff and forestay.

Are you sure you don’t mean the clew of the sail (where your sheets are 
attached) pulled between the luff and forestay?

I’ve found to have somewhat better luck easing the tack line in heavy air prior 
to the gybe which opens up the slot between the luff and forestay and allows 
the clew along with the rest of the sail to have more room and less opportunity 
to wrap around the forestay.  Most important is to head as far downwind as 
possible so you can blanket the chute with the mainsail, depowering the sail 
making it less likely to catch the wind when trying to move it across the bow.

Many A-Sails have a small fiber mini-batten at the tack that you can use to 
keep the lazy sheet from dropping under the bow during an outside gybe or to 
keep it from fouling on the furler or other deck hardware on an inside gybe.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

 

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: sailrm...@comcast.net; johnr...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

 

Please don't make such a simple thing so complicated.  The inside jibe is 
simple and things don't get tangled up as they tend to with the outside jibe. 
If you have an adjustable tack pull it in to establish a firm  luff.. Head dead 
downwind while adjusting both spin sheets to bring the tack to the forestay.  
Continue to feed the tack through the space between the luff and forestay 
keeping very slight pressure on the old active sheet and rapidly pulling the 
sail through the slot with the new active sheet as the helm is brought through 
the jibe. As the spin fills release all pressure on the old active sheet. In 
doing this the sail and lines are always under control and not flying about and 
becoming tangled.

John McLaughlin

  _  

On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 Bob Mann via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Matthew, you probably want to have a short, dedicated gybing tack line.  Attach 
it prior to the gybe (I'm thinking "inside" of pole).  Gybe pole and pre-set 
it, then gybe sail.  When done, remove temporary tack line. 

  

At least that's how I hope it will work.  I've never done it but will find out 
this spring. 

  

Bob Mann 

C mk I 

On 03/08/2021 2:30 PM Matthew via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

  

  

David:

 

I believe we discussed this issue not too long ago.  This year 
I plan to use an ATN Tacker for asymm jibes.  Given that we use our spin pole 
for the tack most of the time, the interesting part will be moving the tack 
from the pole to the Tacker (then back to the pole again).

 

From: David Knecht via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2021 10:34 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

 

I have been thinking about ordering long sheets for my “reacher" (A sail) to be 
able to do outside jibes.  All the videos I have seen for this technique have 
the spinnaker tack on a sprit or attached forward of the headstay.  That seems 
pretty simple, but I don’t have an attachment point there.  My tack can either 
be attached directly to a padeye on the deck behind the forestay or to a strap 
around the furled headsail and then to the padeye.   I think that means that 
every time I jibe, the tack line will wrap around the headstay.  Is that a 
problem?   I could douse with the sock and redeploy after jibe (sounds slow for 
racing) or add an attachment point to the pulpit for a block so I am forward of 
the headstay.  Am I missing something?  How do others without sprits do this?  
Dave

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 

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Stus-List Re: Will Defender have it's annual sale?

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Chuck,

I work for a company that sells product to Defender.  They are having their 
sale this year but the physical store will not be open and the sale will be 
strictly an online sale.  However it will be held over a much longer period of 
time from March 18-28.

While I’m sure vendor fulfillment issues may in part be driving some of the 
reasoning to hold an online sale, if you’ve ever participated in the show in 
the past, the “in-person” component would be impossible to allow for social 
distancing given the volume of customers and the size limits offered in their 
facility.

It’s a shame because I’ve worked at the warehouse sale every year for the past 
20 years (with the exception of last year when it too went online) and I always 
enjoyed the customer interactions and cooperation between the different 
suppliers trying to meet the needs of boaters.  Plus it was a great opportunity 
to go out and have a few drinks and dinner with your competitors after the show 
hours.  Plus I always came home with a few goodies I never planned to buy but 
were just too good a deal to pass up.

I’m hoping that will be different next year.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: 1984 Landfall 43

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David,
I had a C 25 Mk 1 for about 14 years, cruised and raced on occasion in the 
Jib and Main class.  I had a 100% mylar jib, 130 dacron jib and a 150 Mylar 
Genoa, all attached with a Tuff Luff headstay foil.  No furler which allowed 
the jibs to really be a deck sweeper.  I had separate inboard tracks and cars 
for the working jib and the larger Genoa which gave me a better sheeting angle. 
 I also had an adjustable backstay with a gross and fine tune with a similar 
set up for the boom end main sheet.  I would set up my shrouds according to 
wind conditions, allowing for 4" circles at the turnbuckle in light air and 2" 
circle for wind over 15 kts for the outer shrouds.
I had a Loos gauge but only used it a few times.
Since my boat had an outboard on a bracket, I'm sure I wasn't doing myself any 
favors by having a 9.8hp 4 stroke outboard with electric start hanging off the 
back of the transom, but I had my fill of balky lightweight 2 stroke outboards 
that never wanted to start when you needed them, so the heavy engine stayed put 
when I raced.  Most other folks that I've know who were serious about racing 
would use little 4 hp 2 strokes that they'd store down below when they went 
racing.
As far as sailing these days, I bought a Landfall 35 to replace the 25 but use 
it exclusively for day sailing and weekend cruising.  I found myself having 
more fun racing on other folk's boats and dinghies than trying to do it all on 
the family cruiser.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram, MA

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Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 10:40 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Godfrey 
Subject: Stus-List Re: 1984 Landfall 43

Hey Kevin, 
Sorry I don’t have info on the 43.  I see you have a C 25.  I do as well and 
am fairly new to the boat, not as much to sailing but the boat.  Do you have 
info on rig tensions using Loos (vs wind conditions) or sheet placement for 
foresails.  I’ve done trial and error but wondering if there is anything out 
there for setting up the boat for racing.

> On Feb 24, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Kevin Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Lloyd and Doug for the responses. 
> The 39 is a good looking boat, I've never seen one in person.
> I guess by the lack of responses that there are just not that many Landfall 
> 43 out there. The search for info continues. 
> Kevin
> Windance
> 1976 C 25
> Hamilton ON
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Stus-List Re: Sprits and Asyms

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>From a different Chuck:

Randy,

Did the Ranger dude take a rating penalty for the sprit?  Also, if my son stays 
out in Colorado this summer between semesters at CSU, you’ll have access to an 
awesome bowman with tons of Asym experience (as well as conventional).  He’ll 
be looking for a ride for sure..

Cheers,

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

Landfall 35

 

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Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 2:29 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER ; Randy Stafford 

Subject: Stus-List Sprits and Asyms

 

Chuck did you get a furler for your asym?  A top-down furler?  Guy in my club 
got one (and an asym) for his Ranger 28 last season and immediately kicked my 
ass with it.  Takes him about a minute to furl his upwind sail, unfurl the 
asym, and start accelerating.

 

He built a homemade bowsprit and, though it looks clunky, it works well enough 
to beat me downwind :)

 

I looked at the Selden sprits too.  I may have to join the arms race in my club.

 

Cheers,

Randy





On Jan 21, 2021, at 12:12 PM, cenelson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

I’d be interested in how your new sprit changes your PHRF rating. 

 

I have thought about adding a sprit as well for limited crew racing or cruising 
and the Seldon looks well engineered.

 

In my case, my anchor roller complicates the matter in terms of fitting the 
sprit pole but the rating hit is 
is also an issue.

 

Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom

Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS 
 

On Thursday, January 21, 2021, 12:46 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

My two cents:  Spartite looks like the best solution however it still needs a 
boot to protect from UVs and the price is too high for me.  Similar to 
PropSpeed, it's a good product but too much money for the benefit offered. 

  

I'm not cheap.  I just ordered a Selden bow sprit kit.  Very expensive but 
couldn't figure out how to build my own as well engineered.  Bought a used Asym 
for it last year.  The sprit will add some fun to downwind sailing on  
Chesapeake Bay and make it easier to solo. 

  

Chuck  

 

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Stus-List Re: Acid flushing heat exchanger?

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Many of our boats from the early 80's have aftermarket heat exchangers from
a company called Sen-Dure.  While most have the removable end caps (with
O-rings) that have been mentioned previously, the heat exchangers are VERY
expensive to replace ( I was quote approximately $600-700 USD).  While mine
has been acid cleaned several times to remove scaling, it has developed a
pinhole leak where the outlet tube attaches to the heat exchanger cylinder.
I was told by a radiator shop that braising the hole shut would be
problematic so my only alternative to buying a new one was to "patch" the
leak with JB Weld epoxy.  So far that has been satisfactory but if I was to
take the boat for an extended journey, I'm not sure if I would trust the
patch job.  

For reference, my diesel is a factory installed Yanmar 3HM-30 with a C
factory installed fresh water cooled conversion kit.  

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

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Stus-List Re: C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

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Perhaps we change to Kingston Jamaica. Descend upon Port Royal and become
pirates.arghh..

I suspect the weather there in January-March would be much more desirable
and there would be significantly more rum..

Just a thought.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

 

From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 10:40 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

 

I am afraid that January to March, even in Kingston, your best bet would be
an ice boat. 

 

Marek 

 

 

 Original message 

From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 

Date: 2021-01-11 10:37 (GMT-05:00) 

To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 

Cc: "Della Barba, Joe" mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> > 

Subject: Stus-List Re: C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston? 

 

No straight line between here and there in a sailboat unfortunately. To me
"early 2023" means January to March, which is probably not all that warm
anyplace in Canada and even here in "tropical" Maryland a fair number of
boats are not ready to use by March. (not me, not winterizing this year, I
missed too much good winter sailing last year now our climate has been set
to "Georgia winter")

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina

 

From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 9:06 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Marek Dziedzic mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in
Kingston?

 

Joe,

 

Kingston is not that far North - only 44 degrees (so still in the southern
half of the northern hemisphere). Of course, it does not make it any closer.

 

Marek

1994 C270 Legato

Ottawa, ON

 

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: January 11, 2021 9:00
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com  
Subject: Stus-List Re: C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

 

Given how far north it is can I put in a plug for mid-late summer of 2022 or
2023? I doubt I have the time to do the round-trip by boat*, but we'll
definitely fly or drive. 

* I think given the lack of a straight line and low bridges, it is something
like 1200 miles from here by water going past Montreal??

Joe

Coquina

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Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

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Richard,

I’ve never chartered a sailboat but I’ve worked at a bazillion boat shows and 
the vast majority of new boat buyers are looking more towards interior space 
rather than sail ability.  Perhaps the perception of owning a sailboat that 
doesn’t heel over is a confidence builder.  I guess to the uninitiated they 
appear to be less “claustrophobic” with wide open spaces everywhere on the boat 
(ok, the berths can be rather tight on the smaller models, but no less so than 
a quarter berth on a C 35).  Looking too at how the cats are laid out, 
there’s push button EVERYTHING from sail trim to halyards, hydraulic steering 
with no feedback.  Basically it’s a powerboat with a stick in the middle and a 
large living room.  The further south you go, the greater the percentage of 
Catamarans at the show, probably because it is hard to find slips up north that 
are wide enough to accommodate a cat.

One of the best stories I have regarding folks checking out a catamaran at the 
boat show went as follows: I was down below in one of the staterooms when a 
couple looking at the boat came across one of the round escape ports on the 
inboard side of one of the  hulls.  If you haven’t seen one, they’re designed 
so if the boat capsizes and overturns while you’re in the hull, you can get out 
through one of these waterproof hatches.   So the lady looking at the boat 
asked her husband what the round window with the handles was for and the yacht 
broker’s response was “It’s the washing machine…”..

 

That about says it all.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padnaram, MA

 

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 3:17 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Question for the group;

 

I'll start with an apology; it's not specifically C related; and I have no 
wish to start a general debate; my question...I see lots and lots of catamaran 
ads and apparently Sail Magazine thinks monohulls have been mothballed...: what 
is the appeal of these boats I recognize their added space as appealing to 
first-time group charter types; but heard that these boats are difficult sail; 
hard to get them moving and even more difficult to tack; perhaps not an issue 
in crossing a big lake or ocean, but could be a deal breaker in close quarters; 

When I look at the boats featured in the ads all see is a big 1970s Station 
wagon...(how's that for a frame of reference);

So, someone enlighten me on this; why are they so popular even with prices of 
half a million? 

(I have not sailed on one and not planning on getting one-it's winter and I'm 
just curious)

Many thanks...;

 

PS: I understand that C actually did make a few Cats in the 790s...so it is 
C related after all!

 

Richard

s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

 

 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 

Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 

502-584-7255

 

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Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

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Maybe I’m one of the few that enjoy both yacht racing AND auto racing.  The 
golden age of auto racing mirrored that of yacht racing competition.  No big 
sponsor logos, national pride (Italian marques drove red cars, British Green, 
French Blue, etc).  But to sustain the interest, there needed to be changes in 
equipment and that necessitated the rising cost of participation and 
sponsorship.  Which begat TV and Pay to Watch internet coverage.

I would submit that auto racing at least at the Grand Prix level is probably a 
better spectator sport.  But I’ve never paid to go to a Formula 1 race for cars 
but took my family to watch the AC races in San Francisco which is something 
they’ll never forget.  In 72’ foiling multis.  Maybe not “elegant” but really 
fun to watch in person.  

Several years ago, my son and I went to see the J Class Worlds off Newport, 
elegant yes.. boring,  Yup!

 

I’m balking at doling out $175 to watch the racing live this go-round.  Races 
and courses seem too short for my taste, but that is likely to change once the 
challenger series is completed.  I’d love to see these boats racing in more 
“offshore conditions” like Perth Australia or even off Newport RI.  That would 
be sporty enough to make for good TV.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: Joel Aronson  
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 1:08 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Americas Cup racing

 

There is nothing graceful or elegant about these boats. It’s like watching auto 
racing. 

 

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 12:03 PM ALAN BERGEN mailto:trya...@alumni.usc.edu> > wrote:

I watched part of one race, and was bored. The driver could have been driving a 
race car for all I knew. Bring back the 12 meters. That I can relate to. Still, 
if you want to watch the racing, they're on YouTube.





Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR

 

 

 

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 8:34 AM David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I taped Day 2 of the Prada series a couple of nights ago.  I was able to record 
the broadcast at 1AM.  I think the boats are spectacularly impressive and the 
racing is unbelvievably boring.  Races are won and lost on pure boat speed.  
There is no tactics other than the start and it is unclear if that actually 
matters.  Nothing matters except staying on the foils going fast.  The boats 
are going 35 knots in 15 knots of wind so it all looks the same, upwind and 
downwind.   No spinnakers, no crew running around the deck hoisiting and 
lowering sails, or tacking.  Everyone stays in the same place throughout the 
race.  There is absolutely nothing happening except the boat going through the 
water and nothing that a normal sailor can related to.  It is impossible to 
tell why one boat is ahead and another behind and why they change places at 
times.  Even the graphics for who is ahead are really hard to decipher.  I also 
found the commentary to be unhelpful.  I don’t think the people calling the 
race have any more iidea of what is happeneing than the famous video of the 
Irish announcer calling the Laser race at the Olympics who had never seen a 
sailboat race before thinking the starting sequence was actually the race (if 
you haven’t seen that one- you should.  I can find the link).  I know I am 
being critical and I will probably watch the final America’s cup when it 
happens, but I was really disappointed.  Dave





On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:11 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

Thanks Edd, 

I'll stay up an d check out the Americas Cup race.  I've been watching the 
Vendee Globe coverage daily and the interviews have been great. 

  

Chuck 

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Re: Stus-List Racing Marks Question -- Not C Related

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

I have no firsthand experience with “virtual marks” in my racing history.  But 
one of the best features of sailboat racing is mark roundings, especially when 
competition is close and there are tactical decisions that would allow one boat 
to gain places over another.  How in the world are you going to determine a 3 
boat length circle around a “virtual mark”?  Why would anyone need room at the 
mark if there was no actual mark to either hit or avoid?

And if there’s such a reliance on the accuracy of GPS for mark roundings, why 
not take it a step further and draw a virtual line a the start that can be 
varied as the wind shifts?  Doesn’t everyone have America’s Cup grade 
electronic telemetry on their 40 year old C?

Edd, if the drop marks you discuss are so easy to move or get stolen to often, 
why not simply use government marks as race marks and set the start line 
accordingly?  Surely the RC can manage to drop a single mark to set the angle 
of a start line…

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Matt Wolford via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 9:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: wolf...@erie.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing Marks Question -- Not C Related

 

I recall being in a race a number of years ago in which the mark was missing.  
The owner of the lead boat claimed the boat did a “navigational rounding” – 
which it may have done – but everyone was so skeptical that the race was 
abandoned.

 

As long as you have a fleet of Corinthian sailors and everyone agrees ahead of 
time, I suppose you can do whatever the fleet decides.  That said, don’t be 
surprised if you get some disgruntlement in practice. 

 

From: CnC-List mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> > On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 5:13 PM
To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Edd Schillay mailto:e...@schillay.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Racing Marks Question -- Not C Related

 

Listers,

 

As you all know, this past summer, I relocated my home, office and the 
Enterprise from City Island to the Suncoast of Florida — and I’m getting 
involved in the race management over here, which has been terribly lazy. 

 

One of the big issues we face is lack of resources. Marks are dropped in the 
water a day or two in advance of a regatta and then are either cut loose, 
vandalized or have broken free by the time a race is actually run. And there is 
no chase boat usually available to either drop a new mark or put up an M flag 
to act as one. 

 

Someone brought up the idea of a virtual mark in case a mark is missing, which 
is a new concept to me. I was thinking of language in the SIs that say 
something along the lines of “If a mark is missing or has moved more than 300 
feet from its stated latitude/longitude position, and the race committee is 
unable to replace it, then the mark shall be the stated latitude/longitude 
position.”

 

Basically, the thought is, especially since this happens now and again, not to 
have to cancel a regatta because a mark has disappeared. 

 

Has anyone ever used “virtual marks”? Does anyone object to the practice? If 
so, why? 

 

Appreciate anyone’s input. Even Risch’s. 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Captain of the Starship Enterprise

C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

 

  Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log

 








 





 

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