Stus-List C&C 34/36+ For Sale

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Hi Everyone Happy New Years,

It is with great sadness that I am selling Deja Vu', a 1990 34/36+ which
has been constantly upgraded and improved during my ownership.  She's been
a magnificent sailboat and has taken us on incredible adventures I will
cherish for the rest of my life.  With two littles at home now there is no
time for her and she deserves a new owner that will take care of her as I
have.

She comes with a monster quad axle trailer customized for her.  The new
owner can hire a friend with an F350 and get her to the new home port
without much expense.  The new owner, time permitting, could be sailing the
great lakes in the Summer and the Exumas in the Winter.

Stephen Thorne
770.722.2848
s/v Deja Vu' C&C 34/36+
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Stus-List Re: Stuffing Box

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Because I’ll sleep better at night.  The PSS is a nice system .. used it
for years.  However .. a system failure would suck.


On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 9:27 PM Doug Mountjoy 
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> From: Stephen Thorne via CnC-List 
> Date: 7/12/21 5:43 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Stephen Thorne 
> Subject: Stus-List Stuffing Box
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> Folks my 1990 34+ has the PSS shaft seal system.  I want to swap it out
> for a traditional stuffing box and am looking for advise on which stuffing
> box manufacturers to look into.  My prop shaft is 1 &1/8” which may be a
> challenge finding a suitable match but hopefully not a big deal.
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> Thank you
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> Stephen Thorne
> 34+ Deja Vu’
> 770.722.2848
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Stus-List Stuffing Box

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Folks my 1990 34+ has the PSS shaft seal system.  I want to swap it out for
a traditional stuffing box and am looking for advise on which stuffing box
manufacturers to look into.  My prop shaft is 1 &1/8” which may be a
challenge finding a suitable match but hopefully not a big deal.

Thank you

Stephen Thorne
34+ Deja Vu’
770.722.2848
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Re: Stus-List Recommissioning Advise

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

 Charlie thats really good advise.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 9:50 AM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
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Stus-List Recommissioning Advise

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

We are planning to splash our 1990 C&C 34+ fall and need wisdom/advise from
the group.  DejaVu has been on her trailer with mast down for the past 5
years and we haven’t given her any attention.  I am looking for comments &
advise on “what maintenance” we should compete prior to putting her back in
the water. Things that I am planning to do include;

Fairing keel/hull joint
Hull was scraped down to fiberglass prior to trailer layup.  So bottom job
for shur - barrier coat hull prior to bottom job???
Inspect all rigging and masthead points & test lights/VHF antenna
Max prop maintenance
Replace exhaust elbow
Polish diesel fuel - possible remove fuel entirely, install access ports
and “scrub fuel tank on inside”??
Change all filters & impeller
Thru Hulls - these are all original 30 year old Marlon.   Is it time to
replace these??

Any help & advise is appreciated.  Other things we have missed?

Stephen Thorne
Deja Vu’ C&C 34+
Lake Lanier
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Re: Stus-List New-guy C&C 40 Shopping questions- now Autopilot

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Folks,

I asked a question a few weeks ago and not sure if I got an answer back
from the group. So here goes again (and if I missed your reply ...
appologies)

Has anyone had experience with a yard lifting a C&C with one of those large
marine folk lifts?  A marina in Florida has a fork lift with 20' long forks
which they say they can use to lift DejaVu' (34+) by attaching foam blocks
on each fork arm to cradle the hull during the lift.  This is a 50,000 lb
fork and they lift 25,000 lb power boats routinely.  DejaVu' weighs approx
13,500 lbs with gear & fluids.  My plan would be to leave DejaVu' rigged
and dry sail her.

Thank You


Stephen Thorne
C&C 34+ DejaVu'
770.722.2848



On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 2:29 PM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am with Joe that I consider my boat broken if the autopilot is not
> working.  With that in mind, I wanted to pass on a tidbit I learned about
> my wheelpilot (EV-100 Raymarine).  It worked flawlessly for 4 years and
> then last year started having the clutch handle release frequently.  I
> rebuilt it last winter (cleaned inside, new drive belt) and it was better
> for a short time and then started doing the same thing.  I found many
> people online with the same complaint (most use a bungie cord to hold it in
> place) and finally buried deep in a Raymarine forum post, I found a
> Raymarine tech suggesting lubricating the drive pulleys where the rubber
> belts went over them.  I had never heard of this before, but tried it and
> it immediately fixed the problem.  Not 100%, but much much better.  It
> seems that when the drive belt rotates the wheel, it is running over the
> two smaller guide wheels with rubber belts on top on either side of the
> motor.  One of those is associated with the clutch mechanism.  If those
> guides and belts do not rotate freely, it puts tension on the clutch lever
> causing it to release.  So you use waterproof grease on the inside of the
> black belt (between it and the white plastic guide) to make sure they
> rotate freely.  I can post a diagram if it helps.  Dave
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> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
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Stus-List Marine Fork Lift vs Travel Lift - C&C 34+ ?

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Folks,

A Marina has offered to try and use their boat fork lift (80,000 lb) to
lift Deja Vu’ off the custom trailer we have - splash her for whatever
period of time we sail and then lift and put back on the trailer.  So it’s
a “dry sailing” option if this could work?  The Marina operator reports
they can lift up to 25,000 lb boats with this system.

The fork lift would have unobstructed access to the transom of Deja Vu and
with the engine and fuel tank behind the keel I was wondering if the
weight/balance etc this idea would work or not?

Any thoughts or experience from other people who have tried this or had
experience with other boats?

Appreciate your thoughts

Stephen Thorne
C&C 34+ Deja Vu’
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Re: Stus-List 34+ traveller relocate

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Speaking of “good autopilots” has anyone installed an under deck autopilot
on a 34+?  I think it would be possible although the installation would be
a job for a very small person ;)

Stephen Thorne
34+ Deja Vu’



On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 6:31 PM Andrew Means via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've thought of it. It would at least mean reworking the lazarette and the
> small hatch on the port side of the cockpit. You'd need a good amount of
> storage for the rope - with the boom swung out all the way and with a 3:1
> purchase you'd be looking at nearly 70' of main sheet? I decided if i was
> going to do more solo sailing I would probably just invest in a good
> autopilot.
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> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 11:57 AM Glen Dickson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
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>> Looking for guidance. Has anyone moved the traveler on a 34+ aft to the
>> binnacle area? The boom is almost 15’ long, and the traveler is only 5’
>> from the mast, giving horrible purchase upwind. Looking to move it closer
>> to end boom sheeting, but worried about structural integrity to support the
>> traveler.
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>> Frenchman’s Bay Yacht Club
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>> Pickering, ON Canada
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Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

David - have you ever looked into installing a traveler set up in front of
binacle on your 34+? I haven’t explored the details for this modification
but doesn’t seem too complicated.  I did this project on my first C&C, a
24’ that I had at the municipal harbor in New Orleans pre Katrina days.

Stephen Thorne
34+ Dejavu

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 9:03 AM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> When I was looking for a boat to replace our 34, I looked at a C&C 99 and
> I loved the cockpit layout because it had the main traveller and genoa near
> the helm and since I sail primarily single-handed it was perfect.
> Unfortunately, it was a bit too race oriented down below for my wife and I
> to cruise comfortably, so we went with the 34+.  For us, the 34+ is the
> ideal boat, but I sure wish the traveller was like the 99.  Then I would
> add the 12:1/ 3:1 setup Josh described and it would be awesome.  Dave
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> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
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> On May 13, 2020, at 11:32 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
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> Sorry.  My opinion is that the Hunter design is the most unappealing use
> of mainsheet traveller that I could imagine.  Coach roof is only slightly
> better.  For sailing it should be back by the helm.
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> Previous two boats had it by the helm.  The boat I raced on had it by the
> helm.  Current boat has it on bridge deck.  I find it supremely awkward
> crewed or short handed to have the main controls forward of the jib
> controls.  It makes no sailing sense.
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> I always loved a boat where the helm could also trim main.
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> This is one of the things I really dislike about our current boat.  To
> make this C&C related think of my boat as a C&C 33-2.  It is basically the
> same .  IMO the bridgedeck setup was a compromise by the designer to help
> with comfort but I find it extremely uncomfortable.  I hated the coach roof
> setup on our family's C&C 36 and loved the cross cockpit travellers on our
> George Hinterhoeller designed Niagara 26 and or J27
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> Mike
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> Persistence
> 1987 Frers 33
> Halifax, NS
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> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Rob Ball via
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> Sent: May 13, 2020 11:38 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Rob Ball 
> Subject: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location
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> Designing a cockpit to include the traveler is the biggest challenge . . .
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> On the bridge deck - good for the crew to trim the main, but deadly for
> moving around the cockpit . . . . .
> Aft by the binnacle is good for trimming and good for short handed sailing
> but again is very awkward to use the cockpit for comfort or movement . . .
> . .
> Forward of the companionway solves all cockpit moving around hurdles but
> indeed forces extra structure in the deck construction, a stronger boom,
> and stronger mainsheet. And, as suggested makes it challenging for short
> handed sailing . . . . .
> There was/is not perfect solution . . . . .
> Hunter solved it with a big structural Bimini-type rail to carry the
> traveler up high, but I could never bring myself to do that to the
> aesthetics of our designs . . . . .
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> Rob Ball. C&C 34
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Re: Stus-List 34+ Idler Pulleys and Cabin Top Compression

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

I’ve owned Deja Vu for 10 years and raced & cruised all over and across the
Gulf of Mexico, many times.  I always had a full crew 3 + 1 for offshore
sailing.  We did experience a failure of the steering system idler plate
and ended up completely rebuilding the steering system.  Lesson learned -
open up the steering system on any boat with an Edson steering gear and
check/replace pets including cables and plate.

In light air the boat is fast and responsive but it’s a skill set that
needs to be developed to get maximum performance from the boat.  In heavy
air 18-20 or more, something magical happens with this boat. While most
sailboats mover faster in stronger winds, that’s not what I’m talking
about.  This design sails way past its parameters for speed off the wind
with the main single reefed & a 110 forward.  I think maximum speed is
rated at 8.1 knts but I’ve got many anecdotal stories/examples of sustained
speeds > 10 knts and not simply running down waves.  Sustained over hours
of heavy weather sailing.  The part that’s so impressive is that this hull
design (wing keel) and deep rudder etc, the steering is controlled and
precise.

I think the wing keel (many pros & cons) has an amplified dampening effect
at these speeds resulting in excellent steering characteristics in big wind
sailing.  Really would like to hear from Rob Ball on this one.

Just my two cents

Stephen Thorne
C&C34+ Deja Vu

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:21 AM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have owned a 34+ for about 7 years and can comment on your intended
> use.  First, my boat had none of the issues you describe, so those are not
> common problems from my perspecitve.  I have done alot of work on my boat,
> but none structural or because of failures or age.  The previous owners of
> my boat took good care of her and I am guessing yours did not.  All the
> changes I made to my boat were to improve an already great boat.  I could
> have done none of them and been happily sailing her.   I love my boat and
> it has been the perfect boat for my wife and I.  It is very competitive
> racing and very comfortable cruising.  I have not seen a boat of her size
> that I would trade for.  I moved from a 34 and the extra space and improved
> design makes the 34+ a wonderful racer/cruiser.  We cruise locally around
> Long Island Sound and I frequently sail and race her single-handed or
> short-handed.
> That being said, I do not believe it is the boat for what you describe as
> your target adventures.  I agree with Josh- the boat is easily
> overpowered.  Yes, you can reef early and often, but I would not want to be
> out on the ocean with two youngsters on my boat.  I have chartered a number
> of boats in the Caribbean that I have sailed in 30+ knots of wind and felt
> totally comfortable and under control with nearly full sail.  My boat in 25
> knots feels overpowered no matter what sail plan is used (when short
> handed).  I have sailed her in 25 knots of wind with only a 100% genoa and
> felt overpowered.  I have the wing keel, and that may be a factor, but I
> don’t think the boat was designed with blue water cruising in mind.  She is
> fast in light air races because of that design.  If the time came when I
> wanted to do more blue water sailing, I would sell the boat and look for
> something more appropriate.  Dave
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> On Feb 25, 2020, at 9:11 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
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> Appreciate everyone's advice as always! I am not sure at this point if we
> would even make a very low offer for fear it would be accepted. The reality
> is we love our 30-2, but with the amount of weekends we spend on her (Gig
> Harbor currently) with a 3 year old and 5 year old, we feel like we are
> cramped on space. I would also like a bigger stiffer boat that I could race
> a bit more and be relatively comfortable on for moderate off shore passages
> say from  Washington to San Francisco and Mexico etc. The 34+/36xl has
> always felt about right for us. I think we are going to wait for another
> and compromise a bit less. With our careers and a couple of hands on rental
> properties, my wife is nervous about a project boat and I think I am
> beginning to feel the same way.
> Thanks!
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> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:05 PM Fred Hazzard via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
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>> Good strategy to get something before paying for a survey.  Then when
>> surveys come back you be able to negotiate further.
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>> Fred Hazzard
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>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:20 PM bwhitmore via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
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>>> While I agree with,  and respect Josh, having done the steering work on
>>> our 37/40+ with similar but not as bad a problem, plan on a minimum of 3
>>> days work to pull & replace the idler plate.  Given your comments about the
>>> condition, you need to plan on a bunch of other issues you can't see as of
>>> now.  Get a GOOD surveyor, but weigh the cost of the survey compared to

Re: Stus-List Raw Water Blocked

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

It’s also possible the exhaust elbow has become corroded.  I had to replace
one because of same issue.

Steve Thorne
Deja Vu

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 1:05 PM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Tom
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> What engine do you have?  Fresh or raw water cooled?   Common issue for
> Yanmar is exhaust riser getting plugged by carbon etc where water enters.
> Will also impact engine performance.  Disconnect hose where enters exhaust
> riser.  If water streams, then you have your answer.  Also check the
> fitting where hose attaches to riser – is clear??  If not, best place is
> check if any blockage at intake or strainer – maybe something got into and
> plugged the hose??  A friend’s hose inlet has less than ideal configuration
> and frequently sucks up eel grass and such and plugs the inlet hose.
> Another culprit might be the pump impeller lost a vane and is stuck in the
> system before the strainer.
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> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom
> Buscaglia via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 29, 2019 12:15 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Tom Buscaglia
> *Subject:* Stus-List Raw Water Blocked
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> Alera has a blockage somewhere in the raw water system.  Nothing out the
> exhaust.
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>  I checked the intake and the pump.  Both seem fine.  But, there seems to
> be no flow at the strainer.
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> I am wondering if there is some maintenance needed for the vented loop?
> It is the next link in the chain and I’m running out of links.
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> Tom Buscaglia
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> S/V Alera
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> 1990 C&C 37+/40
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> Vashon WA
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole resurfacing

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

I had the same project on my 34+ and after looking at various options ended
up ordering a new sheet of teak & holly plywood.  Was a little more effort
but I wanted to stay with the wood sole.  Love the end results.

Steve Thorne
Deja Vu
1990 34+

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 8:22 AM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The cabin sole on my boat is not in great shape.  There are areas where
> the holly stripes and are gone or pulling away.   I am considering what to
> do and have a vague recollection of someone using a glue-on faux
> teak/holley covering over the wood (Nautikflor?) but I can’t find that
> discussion anywhere in the archives.  Has anyone done that?  Thanks- Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
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Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

+3 Garhauer

Steve
Atlanta
34+ Dejvu

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 11:17 AM Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> +3. Have had it for about 20 years, still working great – Guido made
> properly shaped brackets for me as well.
>
> Gary
>
> St. Michaels
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Rick
> Brass via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 11:03 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Rick Brass 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Rigid Boom Vang?
>
>
>
> +2 on the Garhauer rigid vang.
>
>
>
> I have one on each of my boats…. Getting rid of the verdamte topping lift
> is such a wonderful thing, and the Garhauer vang is such a bargain. Guido
> made custom brackets for the mast base and boom for each of the vangs –
> included in the price. The one on the 25 was bought about 1996 and the one
> on the 38 about 2004.
>
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>
> Rick Brass
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Re: Stus-List C&C as offshore boat?

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

I agree with Josh on all points.  When I bought Deja Vu' I intended to sail
offshore on certain races but with most of the time local sailing & racing
on Lake Ponchatrain and the Gulf Coast area.  We ended up doing a lot more
offshore sailing that originally planned and for the most part she proved
to be more than capable to handle the rigors of open ocean sailing.  One of
many things about the boats performance that stood out was maintaining
almost perfect balance and steering control in large following seas.
Because of deep rudder? we all marveled at how much control we had at helm,
boat never felt out of control.  This was always helpful and especially
sailing 145-155 degrees in 20' rolling seas where we didn't want to go to
the bottom of a wave trough under speed not being able to pivot.  Otherwise
we might have renamed her "Nautilus" ;)

If I had been looking for a boat specifically to go cruising for long
extended periods to far off shores I would not have chosen a C&C, not
because the boat couldn't handle it but because I would want more creature
comforts.  Our sailing now will mostly be on Lake Lanier, but we still have
Deja Vu' and all those great off shore adventures in our memories.

Steve Thorne
S/V Deja Vu'
C&C 34/36+
Atlanta, GA

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:03 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Interesting discussion - thanks Shawn for launching it.
>
> Last October at Emerald Bay, Catalina Island I moored a chartered Catalina
> 390 next to C&C 30 MK I hull #493, “Katherine Patricia,” hailing port
> Berkeley, CA.  I spoke with her owner Alexander Simpson, who is not on this
> mail list as far as I know, but is on the C&C owners’ Facebook group.  He
> said he’d sailed her from the West Coast to Hawaii and back.  We didn’t
> discuss what kind of conditions he encountered.  But he did say that in
> preparation he’d resealed the deck / hull joint (with 5200, which made me
> wonder if that’s the right material for that job).  His boat was also set
> up with a self-steering wind vane and an asymmetrical spinnaker.
>
> I’ve also seen a couple 35-40’ C&Cs in marinas at Harbor Island, San
> Diego, but have no idea if or where those boats have sailed.  Maybe down
> Mexico way.
>
> As for Grenadine, the worst conditions I’ve been in were 48mph gusts at
> Chatfield Reservoir. We saw it coming and doused the headsail before
> getting hit, but had to motor head-to-wind into the shadow of the dam to
> douse the main safely, then motored to the marina and took two tries to get
> into the slip.  Sea state is not that big an issue on my lake.  So all that
> doesn’t really apply to your question.  But having said that, I chartered a
> Bali 4.5 cat in the BVI a few weeks ago.  We had some 25kt days, with 6’
> wind waves, and another day with a 5’ east swell, and I would have loved to
> sail Grenadine down there.  I’m sure she would have handled it just fine,
> and loved it.  Didn’t happen to see any C&Cs on that trip, and not for lack
> of looking.
>
> Josh I’d be interested in that article you referred to, if you can find it.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 1I saw a C&C in Uruguay.  It's hailing port was in Delaware.  So there is
> that.
>
> My experience and my the reports from others is that C&Cs are generally
> well built, strong boats.  That being said, "Are the good blue water
> boats?"  I would suggest no.  They typically have less tankage than other
> similar sized boats.  They often have fin keels that create a flat spot
> forward of the keel.  This can result in a pretty good pounding with the
> right wave height and frequency.  Most of them were catering to the
> racer-cruiser an as a result tend to carry a bit more sail for the racer
> but as a cruiser often had shorter than appropriate keels.
>
> Many people have blue water dreams and end up buying the perfect bluewater
> boats.  Then they have extreme difficulty untying the lines.  Now they are
> stuck not having fun in their local tributaries with anything less than 15
> kts of wind.  I say buy the boat that fits where you are sailing now.  Not
> where you think you will be sailing in the future.  You can always buy and
> sell later.
>
> I have an article that may be pertinent to your concerns.  If I find it
> I'll forward it to you.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 11:22 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
>> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C&C offshore, and if so,
>> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
>> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C&C,
>> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
>> about

Re: Stus-List C&C 34/36 boats & owners list

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Hi Chuck,

We have a 1990 C&C 34/36+
Name:  DejaVu’
Location:  Lake Lanier formerly Lake Ponhtrain
USCG Documentation # pending will forward later

Please send me the spreadsheet of all other owners

Thank You

Stephen Thorne

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:50 AM Tom Vaughan via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Chuck: I have a 1990 C&C 34+, Summer Love II. I would appreciate it if you
> could E-Mail me the 34/36 Boats & owner’s list. Thank you. Tom Vaughan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 27, 2019, at 8:16 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I want to publicly thank Ken Heaton for sharing his spreadsheet of Boat
> names, HINs and USCG Documentation No's for my list of 34/36 model C&Cs.
> I've met a few really special people on Stu's list and have always
> appreciated the support from the many experts who contribute.
>
>
> Thanks Ken
>
>
>
> Also, If anyone knows of 34/36 owner, please ask him or her to contact me
> via this list or direct email.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1990 C&C 34R, Pasadena Md
>
> cscheaf...@comcast.net
>
> 609-703-0790
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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning - C&C 37+

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

we installed the ac on as simple as possible on DejaVu under the galley
sink.  didnt run duct work but still handles the main goal of dehumidifying
and cooling down the interior.

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:46 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> I’m interested in hearing from 37/40 and/or 34/36 owners that have air
> conditioning installed on their boats - specifically what brand, where the
> compressor is installed, venting, etc.
>
> It’s a good possibility that the Enterprise will be in a location with
> steady shore power in 2020 and I’m strongly considering this add-on.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
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> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY
> www.StarshipSailing.com
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Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

David, in light winds yes .. it will serve purpose of reducing energy &
injury, if you get hit with boom.  In heavy winds... not so much,  you
would be badly injured or worse even w boom break.

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 11:08 AM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for all the info on preventers.  I plan to use the advice to rig
> one when spring finally arrives and use it on long downwind cruises.  This
> discussion also led me to look into boom brakes.  I have always been
> concerned about getting hit by the boom on a gybe, and being 6’ 3”, it is a
> particular problem.  I had never thought of a boom brake as a device for my
> safety as opposed to the boat’s safety but realize now that this might be
> well worth installing on both accounts.  They seem to come in simple
> inexpensive solutions (https://dreamgreen.org/boom-brake) to more
> complicated and expensive devices (http://www.boom-brake-walder.com).  In
> all cases, I worry about another couple of lines to trip over when moving
> on the side decks, thus trading one hazard for another.  Thoughts?  Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
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Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

We used a boom break on DejaVu for offshore racing and it worked great.
Its  mid-boom attachment system however  not so much a preventer as a break
being applied (think driving your car) to slow down the energy of an
accidental jibe.  We used to do intentional jibes at speed with good winds
knowing it limits velocity of boom coming across. Handy.

Steve Thorne
DejaVu’

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 11:44 AM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have been thinking aobut rigging a preventer on my boat so re-read this
> old discussion of how people rig them. End boom attachment sounds
> preferable, but does that have to run outside the shrouds?  If so, then you
> would have to rig it before letting the main out while you can stlill get
> to the end of the boom.  Then, how do you gybe when you want to?
>
>   I have a single reef point on my new main, so I have an extra internal
> boom line and sheave  from the second reef setup that exits at the rear of
> the boom.  I am thinking that if i put a long enough line with a snap
> shackle at the end where it exits the boom, I could use that as a
> preventer.  Before letting the main out downwind, you would grab the
> shackle and run it forward to the toe rail near the bow and clip it in and
> then have control from the stopper on the cabin top.   Thoughts?  Dave
> PS- No expectation of offshore/big waves racing in my future so this is a
> cruising/club racing solution
>
>
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
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Re: Stus-List Prop Shaft Strut - Removal, Alignment, and Re-bedding - C&C 36-1 KCB

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

I suggest wax paper vs cellophane

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 8:07 AM Tim Rutherford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Update.
>
> Shaft was riding hard against the the inside of the packless seal's carbon
> stator and hard against the  forward end of the cutless bearing.This all
> makes sense, since the shaft has always been hard to turn by hand and is
> reflected in the shaft wear patterns.
>
> Local prop shop condemned the propeller shaft and coupling, supplied new
> replacements, and installed a new cutless bearing in the strut.
>
> Martec two-blade folding prop is completely serviced and is on it's way
> back.
>
> Reassembly: When I test fitted the strut and shaft, the shaft exits the
> log too high and to starboard proving the misalignment. Further examination
> of the packless seal stator confirms that the shaft was riding in that
> area. I ordered a new one (whole packless seal, not just a kit)  too. The
> face was also scored and it was worn off-center.
>
> Looks like I'll be re-bedding the strut with better alignment. The plan is
> to assemble the shaft and the strut and raise it into position, then shim
> the shaft temporarily into the center of the log, to offset the shaft
> weight. Then raise the strut to it's existing bed to see which corner makes
> contact first and use that one (1) screw for general location for the next
> step. Then Ill prepare the bed with thickened epoxy and prepare the strut
> with a release agent (or cellophane?). I'll raise the strut until the base
> makes contact in the area where that one (1) screw is located and support
> it there with only slightly more pressure than it's own weight. I'll fill
> the three (3) remaining screw holes with epoxy and let it all set up.
> After the epoxy has cured, I'll re-drill the remaining screw holes then
> re-bed the whole shebang with sealant.
>
> Concurrently the rudder is almost out to refurbish bearings. Mine has the
> bronze thrust plate just under the helmsman's seat in the cockpit but
> that's a different thread!
>
> Any shared experience is always welcomed!
>
> --
> Tim Rutherford
> 
> C&C 36-1 KCB #244 - Chamamé
> Tampa, FL
> tim.rutherford.m...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 6:13 PM Tim Rutherford <
> tim.rutherford.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Neil, Matt, Dennis, and Len - thanks for your comments. Really
>> appreciated!
>>
>> --
>> Tim Rutherford
>> 
>> C&C 36-1 KCB #244 - Chamamé
>> Tampa, FL
>> tim.rutherford.m...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:53 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Couple years ago, I removed Touche's strut to straighten it.  It was a
>>> straightforward job.  I did have to remove the fuel tank for access to the
>>> nuts.
>>>
>>> Upon re-install, I used a cone shaped grinding stone to chamfer the 4
>>> fastener holes on the underside.  This lets the sealant form an o-ring
>>> around the fastener.  I think I used 3M 4200 as the sealant.  I recall I
>>> used new fasteners with fender washer, washer and nylon lock nuts.
>>>
>>> The joint around the perimeter of the strut base was faired with
>>> AwlFair, sanded and painted.
>>>
>>> The alignment was pretty true before removal so I just re-installed
>>> without any further ado.  The lack of vibration after completion indicates
>>> that the job was successful.  If there had been any vibration, I would have
>>> done an alignment.
>>>
>>> Dennis C.
>>> Touche' 35-1#83
>>> Mandevile, LA
>>>
>>> On Nov 28, 2018 9:16 AM, "Tim Rutherford via CnC-List" <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Prop shaft strut is weeping around the nuts inside the hull and
>>> externally the fairing shows cracks around the perimeter of the strut base
>>> although it doesn't feel loose. No slop in the Cutlass bearing. She's on
>>> the hard for bottom job and driveline maintenance. I'm interested in your
>>> thoughts on how best to proceed to remedy the strut mount leak and cracks
>>> in the fairing.
>>>
>>> From the few posts I have found here, it seems the struts are aligned
>>> and bedded onto a hard substrate and that the mounting holes were drilled
>>> with a close fit. That said, it seems that to remount the strut all that is
>>> required is to remove the fairing material and then simply remove and
>>> replace, seal, and re-fair.
>>>
>>> My questions are:
>>> 1.) How best to assess whether comprehensive strut alignment check is
>>> necessary i.e., laser, scope, yadda-yadda? I'm thinking that if the shaft
>>> slides easily through the remounted strut and into center of the shaft log
>>> and seal, and visually appears dead on center through all the above, than I
>>> can proceed with the engine alignment. If not what, call a pro? I have more
>>> time than money, so DIY work is preferred.
>>>
>>> 2.) How significant is hull flex on these boats while on the hard? I
>>> plan final engine alignment after launch, but could loading on the yard
>>> stands cause strut alignment to appear skewed? BTW, I'm working with 

Re: Stus-List 1990 37+/40 For Sale [Not Mine!]

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Thats a very expensive repair dont properly.  Too bad

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 3:54 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I just got off the phone with the broker.
>
> Here's the story...
>
> She had a bad accident in about year 3 damage the aft 1/4 on the STB
> side.  The deck from the genny track to above the windows on that side are
> soggy and the aft 1/4 of the hull is de-laminated.  He estimates that it
> will take about $50K to repair...
>
> Here's a copy of the survey with all the gruesome details...
>
>
> https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/track?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3Add2f7a2f-1ec7-4873-a92f-e346d118de1a
>
> Sad, but true...she sure looks good though.
>
> Tom B
>
> At 12:31 PM 12/5/2018, Ken Heaton wrote:
>
> Holy cow !
>
> I wonder what is wrong with it?
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 at 16:09, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I ran across this listing.  WIll someone please buy this boat to get it
> off the market.  It is listed way too low and is ruining thew 37+ values!
>
> https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/c-c-37-40-3169741/
>
> Tom B
>
> .¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
> Tom Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C&C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
>
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 154, Issue 32

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Folks I received an email about a C&C34+ being parted out but haven’t been
able to get in contact  with owner.  Anyone know anything about this boat
and how to get in touch w owner?

STEPHEN Thorne
770.722.2848
34+ DejaVu

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>4. Re:  Fan belts (ed vanderkruk)
>5. Re:  Fan Belts... (Bill Coleman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:07:27 +
> From: David 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fan belts
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> Duralast.  Probably crap.  Trying to find the saw tooth version of same
> dimensions.  Which brand are you using?
>
>
> David F. Risch, J. D.
>
> Gulf Stream Associates, LLC
>
> (401) 419-4650
>
> 
> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Len Mitchell
> via CnC-List 
> Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 10:20 AM
> To: CNC List
> Cc: Len Mitchell
> Subject: Stus-List Fan belts
>
> David, what belt are you using? I do not have the same configuration as
> you but changed from solid belts to the saw tooth style and my belts last
> at least twice as long. They seem to shed the heat better.
> Len Mitchell
> Crazy Legs
> 1989 37+
> Midland On
>
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> Dennis,
>
> I have a Mk III (00AL) and have this problem (of sliding cap). It never
> stays on the top of the extrusion.
>
> Is there a way of using the split cap you mentioned on this furler or am I
> forever going to apply copious amounts of rigging tape to the top of the
> extrusion?
>
> Marek
> 1994 C270 Legato
> Ottawa, ON
>
> From: Dennis C. via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 11:54
> To: CnClist
> Cc: Dennis C.
> Subject: Re: Stus-List abrasion on halyard
>
> Depends on which furler you have.  If you have a Harken MKIII, the trim
> caps are notorious for "disappearing".  It is just a vinyl cap which slides
> over the top of the extrusion (Harken #870).  Later Harken furlers use a
> split insert which goes around the fore stay into the extrusion.
>
> Some riggers bend the "ears" of the extrusion inward after installation.
> Then they wrap electrical or rigging tape around the top of the extrusion
> annually.  I replace the trim cap on Touche' every so often and wrap it
> heavily with tape.  To do that on an existing furler, I have to cut the
> trim cap to slide it over the fore stay.
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>
> There aren't many good options here.  I replace the vinyl trim cap every
> 2-3 years and tape it heavily.  It always disappears.
>
> I've considered a regular old PVC plumbing cap with a short piece of PVC
> pipe.  They would have to be split to slide them over the fore stay.  It
> would rattle around up there but might stay on for years.  You could put
> the pipe piece and cap on separately then g

Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 152, Issue 102

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

I have owned DejaVu, a 1990 34/36 for the past 7 years.  She is my third
C&C before her a 24' then another 34'.  We sailed the hell out of her all
around the Gulf of Mexico but now she sits on a custom trailer in Pensacola
Shipyard Marina.  The birth of a child will do that to you ;)   Thought
long and hard about parting ways with her but I cant do it, so she remains
sidelined and dearly missed for all the great adventures she surely brought
to us all who sailed her.  Maybe I will bring her up to Lake Lanier and
someday give her to my son Max, who is 2 years old.

Stephen Thorne
C&C 34/36 DejaVu

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> 24 years and counting.
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> Gary 30-1 #593 ? 1980 vintage
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> Hello Al,
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>
>
> I have a question for the list.
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> How many of you have owned your current C&C yacht for 5 years or longer.
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>
>
> FYI - we have owned Honey since October 1976 and are currently the second
> owners.
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>
>
>
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> Question for Rob:
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> At the time, was the fact that C&Cs seem to be owned far longer than most
> boats ever discussed ? Was this considered a good or bad thing?
>
> We have owned Coquina since 1977 and she is ? knock on FRP ? on track to
> be sailed by the third generation. I have sailed her since I was 12.
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> I recall a frustrated C&C broker telling me ?No one trades up. Catalina
> owners buy boats every 5 years and you all keep them for decades!?
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> Joe
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 138, Issue 37 - Yanmar Water Pump

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

We replaced the water pump on Dejavu' with a new one and had the old water pump 
rebuilt and keep on board now as spare.

Stephen Thorne 
Dejavu'
34/36+


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>   1. Re:  Yanmar 3QM30 Water Pump Rebuild (David)
>   2. Re:  Broken Boat Pictures (David)
>   3. Re:  Yanmar 3QM30 Water Pump Rebuild (Dennis C.)
>   4. Re:  Broke my boat (Doug Allardyce)
>   5. Re:  Yanmar 3QM30 Water Pump Rebuild (Josh Muckley)
>   6. Re:  C&C 40 question (Rick Brass)
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> William...last year I replaced with a new pump after doing a bit of research 
> about rebuild costs and results.  Decided on a new pump.   Simpler and you 
> know it will be fine.
> 
> 
> 
> From: CnC-List  on behalf of William via 
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> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 7:41 AM
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> Subject: Stus-List Yanmar 3QM30 Water Pump Rebuild
> 
> The water pump on my raw water cooled 3QM30 (1980) is weeping about 5 drops 
> per minute from the weep hole behind the impeller housing.  I'm thinking that 
> this will require a rebuild.  Have listers done this themselves?  Any 
> recommendations for shops that could do this for me.  I'm in NJ.
> Any input appreciated!
> 
> Smitty
> 1981 C&C 36 C/B
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>> From one "Corsair" to another...
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> My condolences.
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> 
> 1981 40-2
> 
> Corsair
> 
> Marion,  MA
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> The following link has photos of the sad Corsair.
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> We went up today and got all of our personal stuff off the boat and cover the 
> hole in the deck since it is supposed to rain tonight.
> 
> The games begin tomorrow with Torresen Marine and the Insurance Adjuster.
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> For rebuild kits or new pumps, check http://www.depcopump.com/
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> I've had good experience with them.
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 8:40 AM, David via CnC-List 
> wrote:
> 
>> William...last year I replaced with a new pump after doing a bit of
>> research about rebuild costs and results.  Decided on a new pump.   Simpler
>> and you know it will be fine.
>> 
>> 
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>> CnC-

Stus-List Center of Gravity

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Folks I am in final stages of new trailer fabrication and need to identify 
approximately where CG is for boat for placement on trailer.  Original owner 
manual doesn't define CG.  I am thinking towards trailing edge of keel but this 
is somewhat of a guess.  Any thoughts to clarify or estimate CG would be much 
appreciated

Stephen Thorne
34+ 
DejaVu
770.722.2848
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Stus-List Prop Shaft Coupling

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Bill,

We had same issue 300 nm offshore when someone started engine in reverse.  
Fortunately we didn't loose the shaft & boat.

Solution double hex screw AND drilling dimple further into shaft.

Stephen Thorne
Dejavu' 
34+

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>   1.  Prop Shaft coupling (wwadjo...@aol.com)
>   2. Re:  Prop Shaft coupling (Della Barba, Joe)
>   3. Re:  Prop Shaft coupling (Steve Staten)
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> One boat that was forever doing this turned out to have a bad motor mount. 
> Might want to check that?
> Joe
> Coquina
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of William 
> Walker via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 16:17
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> Subject: Stus-List Prop Shaft coupling
> 
> 
> Some may remember that around mid summer I posted that my prop shaft had 
> pulled out of coupling.  Mine has two bolts which go through coupling and 
> into small dimples drilled into shaft.  They were wired in and over time the 
> ends had worn off and allowed shaft to pull out when reversed was applied to 
> prop.  Some on list checked and had similar problems.  I was surprised so many
> Well, on haul out I discover it has happened again, with the new bolts.  
> Haven't pulled them yet to see, but shaft pulled enough to show key and the 
> dimples, still in place.
> No excessive vibration or anything.
> Bolts still appear tight.
> Thinking maybe of going with two set screws in each hole, one snugged, 
> another on top.
> Love to hear thoughts from listers with some experience.
> Bill Walker
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> Five years ago, on one of my first solo sails on C?est La Vie, I allowed a 
> jib sheet to get overboard as I was motoring into the drowned ravine that is 
> the marina, here on the reservoir. I was focused on maintaining course. The 
> ravine is maybe 30 meters narrow, lined with expensive boats. The sheet and 
> propeller became enamored of each other and in taking the relationship to the 
> next level (the way snakes do), they managed to pull the propeller shaft free 
> from the coupling and the Westerbeke?s transmission. The coupling is a large 
> rubber donut about one inch thick and maybe eight inches in diameter. It was 
> all chewed up BUT the shaft bearing was not leaking. The boat glided to a 
> complete stop about 20 meters from the beginning of the dock.
> 
> I had not yet learned to scull so I dropped anchor and swam to shore with my 
> phone and wallet in a ziplock bag on top of one of those square floating seat 
> cushions pushed gently ahead of me.  It was a Sunday evening with no one 
> around and the sun going down behind the trees. The next day, I returned to 
> assess the damage. The temperature was in the mid-nineties (F) and the boat 
> was a fiberglass sweat lodge. The largest washers available managed to keep 
> enough of the torn parts of the coupler together in one piece to allow me to 
> restart the engine and ease into my slip.  I was not yet a lister here and 
> had NO idea how to replace the coupler.
> 
> In despair, I sea

Stus-List C&C 34+ Trailer

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Folks I am in need of advice from the C&C Users group.  I am looking for a 
trailer to store Dejavu’ in the off season and possibly bring her to Lake 
Lanier for awhile and then later back to the coast.  Dejavu is a 1990 C&C 34+ 
with an LOA of 35’8” weighing in at 13,000 lbs?  Acquiring a trailer for a 36’ 
sailboat is not as simple as it sounds.  The trailer needs to be an 18,000 
pound gross weight capable triple axel with proper and correct jack stands.  So 
has anyone dealt with a large sailboat trailer before?  What are issues to 
consider in the purchase of such a beast?  Does anyone know of a suitable 
trailer that I might be able to buy? My experience in searching is that it is a 
very limited market and very few if any are available.  I found one currently 
for sale that was custom built for an Alberg 31’ which is a full keel boat.  I 
think I could modify the trailer to fit Dejavu but not sure at what expense.  
Another option suggested to me is to find a flatbed trailer and have a welder 
build jack stands onto said trailer.  Not sure what all is involved with that.  
Appreciate any helpful suggestions or experiences others have had.

Stephen Thorne
C&C 34+
DejaVu'
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Stus-List Pedestal Guard

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Edd,  when I ran cables down my pedestal guard I had to open up a hole into to 
deck (under removable cover) to run cables below deck.  Sealing the hole wasn't 
easy as cable running through made it less than perfect. That's the best I 
could come up with.

Best,

Steve 
DejaVu 34+

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>   3. Re:  West System Epoxy & resin (Graham Collins)
>   4.  37+ and XL (and probably 34's too) Pedestal Guard Wiring
>  (Edd Schillay)
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> Just curious, do you get to work with Optimus Prime?
> 
> Tom B
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> At 12:45 PM 4/8/2016, you wrote:
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>> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:52:19 +
>> From: Martin DeYoung 
>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List West System Epoxy & resin
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>> 
>> BTW, here at the transformer factory we commonly store epoxies in 
>> the freezer to extend the shelf life.  Some of our exotic very high 
>> temp epoxies (use in aircraft propulsion) are shipped and stored at -40C.
>> 
>> We have been using warm water to eliminate the crystals in epoxy 
>> hardener since 1972.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Martin
> 
> Tom Buscaglia
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List Optimus Prime
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> Yes, he's in shipping.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Martin
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tom 
> Buscaglia via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 12:57 PM
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> Subject: Stus-List Optimus Prime
> 
> Martin
> 
> Just curious, do you get to work with Optimus Prime?
> 
> Tom B
> 
> At 12:45 PM 4/8/2016, you wrote:
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:52:19 +
> From: Martin DeYoung mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>>
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List West System Epoxy & resin
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> 
> BTW, here at the transformer factory we commonly store epoxies in the freezer 
> to extend the shelf life.  Some of our exotic very high temp epoxies (use in 
> aircraft propulsion) are shipped and stored at -40C.
> 
> We have been using warm water to eliminate the crystals in epoxy hardener 
> since 1972.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Martin
> 
> Tom Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
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> Hi Danny
> If the resin comes out milky you need to warm it up to de-crystalize 
> it.  A bucket of very hot water will do the trick nicely, plop the can 
> into it and let it sit a half hour.
> 
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 3

Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 122, Issue 39

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Ditto White Water made my stainless grab rails really nice upgrade.

Steve Thorne
Dejavu 

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>   1. Re:  Gooseneck fitting (Josh Muckley)
>   2. Re:  Stainless grab rails (Dennis C.)
>   3.  Mertec folding prop removal (Curtis McDaniel)
>   4. Re:  Mertec folding prop removal (Dennis C.)
>   5. Re:  Stainless grab rails (Chuck S)
>   6. Re:  Stainless grab rails (Josh Muckley)
>   7. Re:  Mertec folding prop removal (Ronald B. Frerker)
>   8. Re:  Stainless grab rails (Josh Muckley)
>   9. Re:  Mertec folding prop removal (Dennis C.)
>  10. Re:  attaching grounding wires to keel bolts (schiller)
>  11.  Idler Plate Photo Explanation (Stu)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 18:56:17 -0400
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C&C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Gooseneck fitting
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> FYI my bolt was too short on the unthreaded portion and the threaded
> portion wore into the lower mast fitting.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Mar 12, 2016 12:22 PM, "Alan Liles via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Preparing to remove my rig, I found the gooseneck fitting (toggle?) worn
>> around the vertical pin. Where might I source a new one. The boat is a '94
>> 37/40+. I'm not sure of the manufacturer.
>> On another note, is there a way to search subjects in the list archive?
>> I'm sure this has come up before but I haven't found a way to retrieve the
>> thread.
>> 
>> Cheers, Al
>> 
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> Ditto whitewater.  Had them make SS rails made for a J30.  Nice work.
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
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>> I had mine made at whitewatermarine.com under the advice of this list.
>> Very reasonable to work with.   I can't remember if it was $200 each or
>> total for the pair.
>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yd0UxdVVfWkEybjA
>> 
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>> On Mar 15, 2016 3:35 PM, "Joseph Bognar via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Call Doug Guierella at Klacko Stainless in st Carharines
>>> 
>>> Sent from Joe Bognar
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Bob Hickson via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I removed the grab rails off my 29-2 in the fall.
>>> Once I started stripping them, I realized that they are really thin from
>>> many years of sanding. I am looking for a shop in the Toronto Ontario area
>>> that can fabricate replacement grab rails from stainless steel.  Anybody
>>> have any suggestions?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bob Hickson, P. ENG.,
>>> Sent from Samsung Mobile
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 121, Issue 38

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Practicing reefing and getting comfortable doing it easily and quickly is a 
vital skill set for offshore work.  Made a big difference for the Havana race 
this Fall.  We added small blocks at the cringle points to reduce friction 
helped quite a bit.
Steve Thorne
Dejavu 34+

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>   1. Re:  When to reef C&C 33-2 (John and Maryann Read)
>   2. Re:  When to reef C&C 33-2 (Dennis C.)
>   3.  Early 30-1 Interior Doors (randy.staff...@comcast.net)
>   4. Re:  When to reef C&C 33-2 (Patrick Davin)
>   5.  30-1 Vang Refit? (randy.staff...@comcast.net)
>   6. Re:  Post to list (Tracy Hirsh)
>   7. Re:  Post to list (Alan Liles)
>   8. Re:  Post to list (Alan Liles)
>   9.  Post to list (Tom Buscaglia)
>  10. Re:  Post to list (Peter Fell)
>  11. Re:  Post to list (Alan Liles)
>  12. Re:  ; A Unit of Time book (Richard N. Bush)
>  13. Re:  Post to list (Josh Muckley)
>  14. Re:  When to reef C&C 33-2 (dwight veinot)
>  15. Re:  30-1 Vang Refit? (dwight veinot)
>  16. Re:  30-1 Vang Refit? (Rick Brass)
>  17. Re:  30-1 Vang Refit? (Dennis C.)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 21:02:25 -0500
> From: "John and Maryann Read" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List When to reef C&C 33-2
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> Depends on if you are racing or cruising, sea state, wind conditions and what 
> headsail you are using ? to say nothing of what the Admiral will tolerate.  
> If you are consistently heeling more that 10 or 15 degrees, it is time to 
> think about reducing sail.  One way to do that is size the headsail 
> appropriately.  If it is too big, the start reefing.  Reefing early is better 
> than waiting
> 
> 
> 
> Just experiment ? it will become self evident very quickly
> 
> 
> 
> John and Maryann
> 
> Legacy III
> 
> 1982 C&C 34
> 
> Noank, CT
> 
> 
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Doug Welch 
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> Subject: Stus-List When to reef C&C 33-2
> 
> 
> 
> Can't wait for spring to get out on our (new to us) 33-2. Looking for input 
> on when folks start to reef.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Doug
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> I reef when my beer falls over.  :)
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Mike Amirault via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
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>> If I am by myself, flying a 130 genoa, I will reef the main at about
>> 15kts, makes for a much more comfortable ride. If I?m lazy, I?ll just fly
>> the genoa without main and still have plenty speed.
>> 
>> Mike Amirault
>> C&C33ii  Lovely Cruise
>> St Margarets Bay, NS
>> SMSC
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> Subject: Stus-List Early 30-1 Interior Doors
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> C&C Sailors- 
> 
> I noticed the owner of C&C 30 MK1 hull #1, Rick Bushie, is on this list. It's 
> awesome that boat is still sailing, and that her owner is in this community. 
> 
> The C&C 30 MK1 hull #7 I just bought has a sliding door betw

Stus-List 33ii mainsail reefing

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

I added jiffy reefing end boom before Cuba race and really glad I did.  
Offshore is an almost constant reef/unreef exercise.  I ran lines end boom to 
cringles but to get more purchase I used soft shackles with small blocks 
attached to each cringle then ran line down to boom.  Attaching line to boom at 
right spot important just play around with it. 

Steve T.
Dejavu 34+
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>   1.  Best location for and small form factor start battery for
>  yanmar 2gmf (syerd...@gmail.com)
>   2. Re:  Best location for and small form factor start battery
>  for yanmar 2gmf (Josh Muckley)
>   3.  33ii mainsail reefing (Dave)
>   4. Re:  33ii mainsail reefing (Don Wagner)
>   5. Re:  33ii mainsail reefing (Jim Watts)
>   6. Re:  33ii mainsail reefing (mcrom...@bell.blackberry.net)
>   7. Re:  33ii mainsail reefing (Jim Watts)
>   8. Re:  33ii mainsail reefing (Andrew Burton)
>   9. Re:  33ii mainsail reefing (Dennis C.)
>  10. Re:  33ii mainsail reefing (Andrew Burton)
>  11. Re:  33ii mainsail reefing (Jim Watts)
>  12. Re:  33ii mainsail reefing (mcrom...@bell.blackberry.net)
>  13. Re:  substitution of depth transducers (Frederick G Street)
>  14. Re:  33ii mainsail reefing (Andrew Burton)
>  15. Re:  33ii mainsail reefing (Josh Muckley)
>  16. Re:  Best location for and small form factor start battery
>  for (mike amirault)
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> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 17:16:38 -0500
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> Subject: Stus-List Best location for and small form factor start
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> Am revising the battery arrangement in my 33ii to add a start battery and 
> parallel the existing group 34 batteries as a house bank.   Space is at a 
> premium...  Has anyone done this and do you have any suggestions?  Tx.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 15:50:03 -0900
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C&C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Best location for and small form factor start
>battery for yanmar 2gmf
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> As discussed on this list before, an ACR or Xantrex Echo-charge is what you
> should use to keep the start and house banks separate but allow the
> alternator to charge both.  A combine switch allows for emergency starting
> with the house batteries.  A very small lead acid battery is enough to turn
> the engine.  If you don't have enough room for a U-1 tractor battery then
> you might find a motorcycle battery that will fit your needs.  Even two 6v
> motorcycle batteries might solve your space problem.  There are some great
> lithium options in motorcycle batteries too.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Nov 29, 2015 4:17 PM, "Syerdave--- via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Am revising the battery arrangement in my 33ii to add a start battery and
>> parallel the existing group 34 batteries as a house bank.   Space is at a
>> premium...  Has anyone done this and do you have any suggestions?  Tx.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> Evening all.  
> Am wondering what I am doing a bit wrong here...  
> I have a 33ii with jiffy reefing lines run inside the boom.  They exit at the 
> end of the boom (alongside the out haul) where they are then run up to their 
> respective cringles.  I have simply used a stop knot in the cringle, as there 
> is no place to attach the bitter end on the boom after being rove through the 
> cringle.  
> Due to the geometry involved, the sai

Stus-List Sailing World Write Up Pensacola - Havana Race

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

C&C Listers here is a link for article on Havana Race.

http://www.sail-world.com/2015-Pensacola-a-la-Habana-Race---Retirements-on-Day-2/139727
 
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Stus-List Pensacola - Havana Race

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

All, we completed the Pensacola - Havana Race on C&C 34+ Dejavu last Thursday 
November 9th, crossing the finish at 9:36am.   We sailed the entire race, only 
running the engine to charge batteries.   We had five total in the crew and ran 
a helm schedule of two hours on the wheel with another crew keeping them 
company.  The plan was that each person leaving the cockpit would then have a 
long break.  One of our crew became seasick so we sailed most of race with 4 
primary crew.  Winds were mostly SE and fairly strong at 20 - 25 knts but one 
24 hour period with 30+.  We were double reefed most of the race and the boat 
behaved well with little weather helm.  Dodging freighters at night in the Gulf 
of Mexico is part of the race and we had our share of those.  AIS is really 
helpful and better than radar for those situations.  We were the smallest boat 
in the race and took 3rd in Division and 3rd overall. 

It was great to arrive in Cuba and we had many experiences while there.  It is 
a vibrant land with friendly and curious people filled with unrealized dreams 
due to the controls the Cuban government puts on its citizens.
On Saturday we participated on the Havana Cup Race along with 20 other boats.  
Only one other boat pointed as high as Dejavu and that was the J130.  This gave 
us a big advantage against much bigger boats but on our final tack toward to 
finish we messed up a maneuver so we ended up 5th in that race.  We are in Key 
West waiting for a weather window to sail up to Tampa and then later back over 
to Pensacola.

Best to Everyone on the List


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>   1. Re:  Fwd: Replacing Windows (Gary Russell)
>   2. Re:  New to me C&C 33 (Aaron Rouhi)
>   3. Re:  Shift / throttle cables (Chuck S)
>   4. Re:  race to cuba (Paul Eugenio)
>   5. Re:  Fwd: Replacing Windows (Jake Brodersen)
>   6. Re:  Fwd: Replacing Windows (Dave Godwin)
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> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 8:50 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
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>> A very important distinction (made before by others) when talking about
>> rebedding windows/ports/port lights is whether the window is the old style,
>> i.e. aluminium frame attached to the cabintop and a lens attached to the
>> frame or, the newer style which is a lens glued directly to the the outside
>> of the cabintop,
>> 
>> This distinction eluded me for quite awhile when reading threads about
>> rebedding windows/ports/port lights.
>> 
>> I have the old style windows and am very happy using butyl to seal the
>> frames to the outside of the cabintop (along with the screws that attach
>> the frame to the cabintop). (Here, there's a difference between attaching
>> and sealing.)
>> 
>> The newer windows/ports/port lights rely on a very strong adhesive to both
>> attach and seal the lens to the outside of the cabintop.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> Bob M
>> Ox 33-1
>> Jax, FL
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Ahmet via CnC-List 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> A lot of people paraise using Butyl tape for attaching windows.
>>> I have not done it, but I can see the results on my C&C Hull/Deck joint,
>>> and it looks pretty good
>>> Ahmet
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> them? 

Stus-List Boom Mainsheet Connections

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

All,
I would like to improve the mainsheet / traveler set up on my 1990 34+ and was 
looking for advise on best ways to improve original factory set up.  Any 
suggestions on where to get detailed info on improvement options?

Thank you 

Steve
Deja Vu
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>   1.  2015 NE Rendezvous (Stu)
>   2.   - Inflable life jacket with harness recommendation
>  (Danny Haughey)
>   3. Re:  - Inflable life jacket with harness recommendation
>  (Joel Aronson)
>   4. Re:  - Inflable life jacket with harness recommendation
>  (Martin DeYoung)
>   5. Re:  - Inflable life jacket with harness recommendation
>  (David Lenehan)
>   6. Re:  - Inflable life jacket with harness recommendation
>  (Ken Heaton)
>   7. Re:  Indicator lights for breaker panel (Jim Watts)
>   8. Re:  Indicator lights for breaker panel (Jim Watts)
>   9. Re:  - Inflable life jacket with harness recommendation
>  (Dennis C.)
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>  (Kevin Driscoll)
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> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:44:22 -0400
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> Subject: Stus-List 2015 NE Rendezvous
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> I guess it is not a surprise anymore ? Gladys and I were the surprise guests 
> at last weekend?s NE Rendezvous.
> 
> I want to personally thank Edd (and his partners) for organizing the event 
> and providing us with a remarkable weekend.  It was a real pleasure to put 
> faces on names.  The warm welcome and great hospitality will be remembered 
> for a long time.
> 
> We made it home Monday after a 600 mile drive and now need to sit back and 
> enjoy some of that duty free rum.
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> Thanks to everyone who participated and made our trip a very enjoyable one.
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> Hi guys, I'm to buy an inflatable life jacket with a harness and tether and 
> I'm looking for recommendations. I'm told I should get hydrostatic.  These 
> things run up to $400. Then there is a mustang version on sale at defender 
> for $259. I'm interested in what you guys use or recommend. We don't go 
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> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:55:05 -0400
> From: Joel Aronson 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List - Inflable life jacket with harness
>recommendation
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> Danny,
> 
> I have this one:
> http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|135|2290066|2290067&id=902596
> 
> You really should try them on.  Buy one with a harness built in and buy the
> crotch straps for another $12.
> 
> I have a Kong double tether simlar to this:
> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|135|2290131&id=1988682
> 
> You really need a double tether, not a single.
> 
> For jacklines I bought webbing from REI.  Much cheaper than the "marine"
> equivalent.
> 
> Joel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> I'm to buy an inflatable life jacket with a harness and tether and I'm
>> looking for recommendations.
>> 
>> I'm told I should get hydrostatic.  These things run up to $400.
>> 
>> Then there is a mustang version on sale at defender for $259.
>> 
>> I'm interested in what you guys use or recommend.
>> 
>> We don't go offshore much but, intend to f

Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 116, Issue 15

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Been looking into fuel polishing system for DejaVu.  Going with a tee off fuel 
line engine side of Racor 500 & electric motor to pull fuel and put back into 
fuel tank. I think this will be not a complete fuel polishing system but 
significant upgrade.  I consider this type of improvement similar to prop shaft 
spur cutter - it's there to avoid bigger problems which do happen ..

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>   3. Re:  Fuel contamination (djhaug...@juno.com)
>   4. Re:  end of my search (djhaug...@juno.com)
>   5. Re:  end of my search - painting topsides (Dennis C.)
>   6. Re:  Fuel contamination (Douglas Mountjoy)
>   7. Re:  end of my search - painting topsides (Josh Muckley)
>   8. Re:  end of my search (Dave Godwin)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 11:11:51 -0500
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C&C List" 
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> Danny,
> 
> When you say topside paint are you talking about the hull (freeboard, area
> between the water and toe rail)?  Or are you talking about the deck
> (everything above the toe rail)?  Either way you're probably looking at the
> better part of $10k.
> 
> For hull/freeboard paint I suggest that  avoid the original Awlgrip (color
> and clear coat in one shot) since blending a repair is such a challenge and
> costly.  The newer Awlgrip 2000 is easier to blend and repair and for boats
> of this age is glossy enough despite not being a color and clear coat
> combo... Just glossy color.  Either way you will want to follow the
> manufacturers care instructions closely.  You might want to make sure your
> discussion includes re-gelcoating as an alternative to paint.  Many people
> discount this as an option but it is one you might not have considered.
> The PO had mine partially re-gelcoated and I'm happy with it's appearance
> and it's care is "normal".  Wash, polish, wax.
> 
> When you say it needs a bottom job, what degree of bottom are you referring
> to.  Just a haul, block, and wash with a sand and paint is gonna be about
> $1k.  If you soda blast (or dry ice blast) then you're probably gonna need
> a least a little fill and fare and then probably a barrier coat and bottom
> paint which is also gonna push you close to $10k.  If you get into
> remediation such as smile and blister repair then you're almost guaranteed
> $10k+
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>> On Sep 6, 2015 11:21 AM, "Juno via CnC-List"  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dave, thanks!  I've read just about every article on this model and
>> have been laying after one but I never thought all the stars would EVER
>> align enough to actually own one!
>> 
>> the wife is not overly enthused about the dark wood interior but she
>> couldn't deny the exceptional value of this particular boat.  I've got some
>> work to do, mostly cosmetic, to make her as beautiful as she should be.
>> the biggest issue is topside paint.  It has an awlgrip job thats peeling
>> terribly.  the surveyor was trying to convince me to do it myself and go
>> with white fur more forgiveness.  I don't think I'd like to take on a job
>> like that.  It seems to big for one guy to on his own.  I guess if I had it
>> inside in my back yard all winter I might give it a shot.
>> 
>> It's also in need of a bottom job.  this will be my 3rd boat in desperate
>> need of a bottom job.  I'm going to try and have those 2 things done over
>> this winter if I can get a reasonable price.
>> 
>> does anyone have any idea what I might expect to pay for top sides and
>> bottom job?
>> 
>> geeze, I hope you guys don't mind me staying apart of the group now...
>> lol. I'd be lost without you all!
>> 
>> Danny
>> closing soon!
>> Massachusetts
>> 
>> DJH
>> On Dave Godwin , Sep 6, 2015 4:41 AM wrote:
>> 
>> Congratulations. There?s one sitting in my slip at my house right now.
>> It?s owned by a Norwegian couple that have spent three (winter) seasons in
>> the Bahamas on it. They?re currently prepping to do do it again with a stop
>> in NYC before heading South.
>> 
>> They?re planning on stopping back at our place on the way down and I?ll
>> probably be crewing on the leg from the Chesapeake to Charleston, 

Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 115, Issue 109

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Hi Edd

Yea was wondering if that would be a good spot for the unit.  Any pictures you 
could send would be really much appreciated.

Any thoughts on what the costs would be for a project of this scope?  Materials 
/ Labor ??

Thanks

Steve


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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 09:47:29 -0400
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> Steve,
> 
> On my 37+ (your setup would be similar), I have the Octopus pump mounted in 
> the port ?locker? nest to the helm seat. The control arm goes through the 
> deck and attaches to the steering quadrant. I can take some photos for you 
> tonight or this weekend, but many of the 34+ and 37+ owners on this list have 
> it set up the same way. 
> 
> I?ll be curious as to which product you choose. I have an old Robertson, 
> which, one day after the shock of the reposer bill goes away, I want to 
> replace with a Raymarine EV200 system. 
> 
> Good luck. 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Stephen Thorne via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Folks
>> 
>> I need some collective wisdom on a potential project for Deja Vu - 1990 C&C 
>> 34+ 
>> 
>> Now considering an under deck auto pilot of some brand.  When i look below 
>> deck I see the rudder tube is completely encased in solid fiberglass and so 
>> not sure how an arm could be attached?  The steering quadrants on these 
>> vintage C&C's are above deck but recessed under a removable deck inspection 
>> plate.   Again, no easy solution here.  Any thoughts as to how a ram arm 
>> could be mounted to either the steering quadrant or to the rudder tube/shaft?
>> 
>> Thanks for any all comments.
>> 
>> Steve Thorne
>> Deja VU  C&C34+
>> 
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> I would also like to know about experience with these. I updated all my flare 
> kits a couple of years ago and would like to avoid that cost every few years. 
> 
> Seems to good to be true. 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
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>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 8:07 AM, PME via CnC-List  wr

Stus-List Under Deck AP Set Up C&C 34+

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Folks

I need some collective wisdom on a potential project for Deja Vu - 1990 C&C 34+ 

Now considering an under deck auto pilot of some brand.  When i look below deck 
I see the rudder tube is completely encased in solid fiberglass and so not sure 
how an arm could be attached?  The steering quadrants on these vintage C&C's 
are above deck but recessed under a removable deck inspection plate.   Again, 
no easy solution here.  Any thoughts as to how a ram arm could be mounted to 
either the steering quadrant or to the rudder tube/shaft?

Thanks for any all comments.

Steve Thorne
Deja VU  C&C34+


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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 106, Issue 3

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Yea on several gulf of Mexico crossings we were in conditions with powerful 
following seas including one time from Key West to Pensacola where we surfed, 
literally surfed big waves for a few days.  GPS Speeds 11knts.  This was by far 
one of the most surreal and exhilarating sailing experiences .. so far.   Crew 
commented that boat felt very stable and i agreed we remained in control entire 
time.  Conditions were right - Broad reach-running in 18 - 20 knots.

Steve
C&C 34/36+
Deja Vu'


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>   1.  Surfing C&C hulls 37R, plus or XL? (Dave Moore)
>   2. Re:  Winterizing my 1979 C&C 34 (Steve Thomas)
>   3. Re:  Winterizing my 1979 C&C 34 (Chuck S)
>   4.  atomic 4 fogging engine (jimmy kelly)
>   5. Re:  Winterizing my 1979 C&C 34 (Danny Haughey)
>   6. Re:  atomic 4 fogging engine (jimmy kelly)
>   7. Re:  Surfing C&C hulls 37R, plus or XL? (Ken Heaton)
>   8. Re:  Winterizing my 1979 C&C 34 (Josh Muckley)
>   9. Re:  Surfing C&C hulls 37R, plus or XL? (Josh Muckley)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:20:44 -0700
> From: Dave Moore 
> To: Robert Mazza ,"cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
>   
> Cc: C&C Mailing List 
> Subject: Stus-List Surfing C&C hulls 37R, plus or XL?
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> Any 37R, Plus or XL skippers like to comment on the willingness of their 
> boats to surf waves? 
> Thank you
> Dave
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Oct 31, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
>> As long as we are comparing "war stories", despite previously maligning IOR 
>> hulls, the fastest I've gone in a keel boat was on Marauder in the long 
>> distance race of the 1975 Canada's Cup on Lake St. Clair, when it was 
>> blowing the shingles off the roof, and we had a #2 on the spinnaker pole. 
>> The bow wave was breaking at the chain plates, and the speedo was pegged at 
>> it's max reading of 12 Kts for a long time. That was before GPS, so we 
>> really had no idea how fast we were going. And that was with a tiller 
>> steered boat. Marauder could out reach Golden Dazy easily, but couldn't 
>> touch her upwind. Dazy took the series,3-2, winning all the "inshore" races.
>> 
>> Rob Mazza
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> The 35 MK I does not come close to planning like a modern sport boat.
>> 
>> The best I have done in flat water is 11 knots boatspeed with 50-60 knots on 
>> the stern and the working job up. At that speed the stern is sunk nearly to 
>> water level. In any kind of the waves the boat will surf/plane DOWN the 
>> waves, but you drop speed on the upside. Max speed I think I have ever seen 
>> is 15-16 knots surfing down 20 footers . The only C&C I have ever seen plane 
>> like a Laser would be the SR-21. I think the only true ?planing? C&C s would 
>> be the SR series and maybe the newest 30 foot model.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Joe Della Barba
>> 
>> Coquina C&C 35 MK I
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert 
>> Mazza via CnC-List
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 12:08 PM
>> To: Dave Moore
>> Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Planing/Surfing C&C hulls?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Not a definitive analysis, but my recollection is that the older CCA type 
>> hulls, C&C 35s, 43s, and certainly the 61s were better off the wind than the 
>> later IOR influenced hulls, which were better upwind than the older boats. 
>> However, it would be interesting to hear from owners on that subject.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Dave Moore  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rob and Hank,
>> 
>> Did any of the C&C models have a particular strength in surfing (or planing) 
>> down wind in 15 to 20 knots true wind speed? Years ago I recall talking to 
>> Rob Ball about the importance of prismatic coefficient in surfing 
>> performance but I was remiss in not asking what C&C models have the 
>> strongest surfing potential. 
>> 
>> Thank you
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 30, 2014, at 3:14 PM, henry evans via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rob,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Your knowledge of the history of C&C designs is truly amazing. I enjoyed 
>> reading your tutorial. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I never knew Eric was in the kitchen bus

Stus-List Battery Charger

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Anyone have suggestions about which brand of battery charger I should look at?  

I am replacing a 23 yr old Freedom/Heart 50 amp charger/inverter.  

Will probably go to a 40 or 50 amp charger only and get a separate 1000 watt 
inverter.

Stephen Thorne
C&C 34+
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 103, Issue 23

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

um.. i dont recommend tracking expenses on boats.  

if a spouse or significant other gets ahold of the list they could have you 
"committed" and thats without taking into account indirect expenses

and even if you dont get "caught" then the tracking data will only make it 
worse when you go to sell the boat ;)

steve

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>   1. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Rich Knowles)
>   2. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Dennis C.)
>   3. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Dave Godwin)
>   4. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Curtis)
>   5. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Richard N. Bush)
>   6. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Ebay)
>   7. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Rich Knowles)
>   8. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Dennis C.)
>   9. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Stevan Plavsa)
>  10. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (sam.c.sal...@gmail.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 21:15:22 -0300
> From: Rich Knowles 
> To: Dave Godwin , "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
>   
> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
> Message-ID: <00745bc4-402a-46f5-ba26-1715d21ef...@sailpower.ca>
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> I've had my 1981 Landfall 38 since 1997. I've put a lot of money into 
> everything from an engine rebuild to all new running gear, a new propane 
> stove, Espar heater, sails etc. batteries Etc. 
> 
> Meantime I've installed new electronics on many of the Beneteaus sold into 
> Nova Scotia, worked on a whack of other boats of all types, makes, sizes and 
> conditions, and have never felt that the money I spent on Indigo was going to 
> a poor place or should be invested in a newer boat. 
> 
> I think the reason is that my 33 year old boat is every bit as seaworthy as 
> any of the others I've been on, works and sails as well as any, satisfies my 
> aesthetic needs and, perhaps most important from my point of view, has soul 
> that most of the new boats don't have. 
> 
> Next boat will be a 25' wood power boat with a comfortable chair and a BBQ on 
> the stern deck.  
> 
> Rich
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2014, at 20:35, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and will 
>> be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat.
>> 
>> I?m just wondering why in the friggin? hell I haven?t pulled the trigger on 
>> that option...
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dave Godwin
>> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
>> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
>> Ronin?s Overdue Refit
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford a
>>> bigger boat :(
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny
>>> Haughey via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM
>>> To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>>> 
>>> OMG...
>>> 
>>> If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to
>>> shoot myself!!!  LOL
>>> 
>>> There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!!  LOL
>>> 
>>> Danny
>>> Lolita
>>> 1973 Viking 33
>>> Westport Point, MA
>>> 
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List 
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>>> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 +
>>> 
>>> Read it and weep:   or read it
>>> and laugh.  Or laugh and weep.  Or drink tequila and don't worry about it...
>>> 
>>> The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of
>>> it was cosmetic.  That was intentional.  The boat is structurally sound
>>> enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive,
>>> but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to
>>> break into, they'll probably choose somebody else.
>>> 
>>> BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book.
>>> 
>>> Wal
>>> 
>>> you wrote:
 Fair warning:  You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a 
 neglected boat, even buying used stuff,  being creative with eBay, and 
 working on it yourself .
>>> 
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Stus-List Stainless Grab Rails & New Stanchion

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Guys,

I need to replace on of my stanchions which got bent in a not so sexy departure 
from a dock recently.  Any ideas where I can source stanchions same as my 1990 
34+?

Also I am interested in replacing the old teak grab rails with a stainless rail 
and wanted to know if anyone has done this and if so where did they go to have 
said rail made?

Steve Thorne
Deja Vu
C&C 34+
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>   2. Re:  dual ownership? (Chuck S)
>   3. Re:  bonding strap question (Chuck S)
>   4. Re:  bonding strap question (Chuck S)
>   5. Re:  Stanchion inserts (Chuck S)
>   6. Re:  Got mildew? (Chuck S)
>   7.  Solar Panels & Clear Plastic Windows (sam.c.sal...@gmail.com)
>   8. Re:  Solar Panels & Clear Plastic Windows (Rich Knowles)
>   9. Re:  bonding strap question (Rich Knowles)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 23:28:29 + (UTC)
> From: Chuck S 
> To: Bev Parslow ,"CNC boat owners, cnc-list"
>   
> Subject: Re: Stus-List keel boats
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> I like the boat on land to tighten the keel bolts/nuts. You are using the 
> force, gravity to help compress boat and keel together that way. In the 
> water, the keel weight is hanging on the bolts and gravity is working against 
> you. The builder put the keel on, on land. 
> 
> 
> 
> Chuck 
> Resolute 
> 1990 C&C 34R 
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 
> 
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> To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
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> Subject: Stus-List keel boats 
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> The mast is coming out so would like the keel bolts checked. Does the boat 
> need to be on the hard or can I do it on the water? 
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> From: Chuck S 
> To: "DeYoung, Martin" ,  "CNC boat owners,
>   cnc-list" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List dual ownership?
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> Martin, 
> I always enjoy your generous and sound advice. Tell John "hello" from New 
> Jersey Chuck. That daysail on Calypso was a highlight of my trip to Seattle. 
> You guys were so gracious to invite me, a stranger, aboard and I've since 
> taken another lister sailing w his family and just can't thank you enough for 
> your hospitality. 
> 
> Moved the boat close to Annapolis, and better sailing, and hope to return the 
> favor if either/both of you get East? 
> 
> BTW, Hope to take more listers sailing. Contact me if interested? 
> 
> Chuck 
> Resolute 
> 1990 C&C 34R 
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
> To: "Jimmy Kelly" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
>  
> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 5:13:44 PM 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List dual ownership? 
> 
> 
> 
> Calypso has been co-owned for 15 years, and we (the co-owners) had a C&C 36 
> in a partnership for 7 years before that. 
> 
> 
> 
> The partnership agreement is similar to a real estate limited partnership 
> with a general partner (takes care of finances, insurance, taxes etc.) and a 
> limited partner. We started at 50/50 with a mechanism to compensate (with 
> ownership share) if one partner contribute more $$ over time. We have a 
> partnership[p checking account with auto deposit of monthly contribution. 
> 
> 
> 
> Scheduling has rarely been an issue but we had a practice of alternating 
> years for first pick of major holidays etc. Lately we have been setting up 
> the race sched in January and discussing what other events/cruises may be 
> interesting. Both our

Stus-List Looking for sails

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Fellow C&C'rs,

I am in the market for a new suit of sails for my 1990 34+.  I like what I have 
read about UK Tape Drive sails and was wondering if anyone has owned this brand 
and could give feedback?  

Also I would consider a used set of racing sails if anyone has a set for this 
particular model.  

Stephen Thorne
C&C 34+
Deja Vu



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> Before going in the water this Spring I replaced all the  waste hose and ran 
> thru the vanity in head.  This week I had to rebuild the par shower drain 
> pump so I had to remove that.  My question:  Can the head sink be removed to 
> allow access?  Working thru the small vanity door is an absolute BEAR.  I 
> have been reluctant to try and put the pump back, only because it is such a 
> pain.  I was even thinking of cutting the vanity wall out, including the 
> little door, and then reglassing when finished.  But I know what that would 
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> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:01:51 -0500
> From: "Pete Shelquist" 
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> I recently had a mid-distance race in which a majority of the race was tight
> reaching in flat water, 10-15 breeze.   We had our heavy #1 up.  A number of
> boats (C&C39, C&C38, Sabre 36, Tarten Ten) worked up on us pretty well in
> those conditions.   I obviously need to trim the sails differently and am
> looking for suggestions.
> 
> 
> 
> We mostly eased the sheet and moved the car forward, but we did try barber
> hauling.  We did not try bringing the clew right out to the toe rail.  
> 
> 
> 
> Any thoughts or suggestions is appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
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> 
> 
> Pete
> 
> 1984 C&C 37
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> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:44:34 -0400
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C&C List" ,   Pete Shelquist
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> How much backstay?  How much babystay?  How tight was the outhaul and
> halyards?  Speed bubble in the main?  How much heel?  How much rudder?  How
> much weight on board?  Crew hiking out?  When was the bottom last cleaned?
> What type of paint?  You might need to come off the wind just a few degrees
> and/or let the sails breath just a bit.
> 
> At 10-15 kts you should have been able to reach hull speed...~6-7kts.  If
> not then something was wrong.  You might even want to consider a #2 if you
> were being blown over too much.
> 
> As you can see there is just no simple answer.  Keep racing and you'll
> learn all of those minute characteristics.
> 
> Happy to discuss off list.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Jul 27, 2014 1:02 PM, "Pete Shelquist via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
>> I recently had a mid-distance race in which a majority of the race was
>> tight reaching in flat water, 10-15 breeze.   We had our heavy #1 up.  A
>> number of boats (C&C39, C&C38, Sabre 36, Tarten Ten) worked up on us

Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 101, Issue 12 X 5 Install reply

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Steve,

Installed one last year on my 34+ in aft port lazzeret.  There is a shelf in 
there against port hull that make ideal space for the gear.

Good luck.

Steve Thorne
Deja Vu

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> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 05:53:46 -0700 (PDT)
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> The LCD display on my 12v Electro Scan doesn't work anymore. The system 
> functions, just can't read the error or status messages. Anybody got a used 
> one that's working and for sale?
> 
> Dan Sheer
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> Hi Rick,
> 
> I replaced the seals on my 1975 30 MK1 last year.  It was an absolute
> breeze.  Got the parts from South shore yachts - just measure and order.
> Take out the old gaskets and clean the aluminum frames.  If your windows are
> shot (mine were fine) just use the old windows to as a template for the new
> ones.  Reinstall windows with the sticky back seal and then the gaskets.
> Took about an hour to do all four - no leaks and they look great.  If I
> recall,  the south shore kit included detailed instructions.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Joe Boyle
> '75 30 MK1 "Zia"
> Annapolis
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> Hi. I am planning to install a Raymarine X5 wheel pilot in my C&C 34+. Does 
> anyone have any advice on where best to install the computer and flux gate 
> compass?
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Steve Winks 
> Corsair VI
> 1990 C&C 34+
> Midland, ON
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> I have my fluxgate compass mounted low in the boat just after of the mast
> under the settee near center line.I have the control computer mounted in a
> pod on the Binnacle guard.same pod also has my gps chartplotter.I find these
> to be good locations on my 35 MKII.I like to have the control where I can
> see rudder angle and heading, a remote control would be useful at times but
> I do not have one and there is little to interfere with the compass in that
> location.mine is an ST 4000 MKII plus, not that much different 

Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Isla Mujeras Regata al Sol

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Folks,

I wanted to come back to the group and give a summary of the first major off 
shore race with Deja Vu (34+) based out of New Orleans.

Regata al Sol is the biannual race from Pensacola sailing 545nm to one of the 
prettiest islands in Mexico, Isla Mujeras.  I have done the race 3x on other 
boats and always enjoyed this event. The race started Wednesday May 7 with 20 
boats participating.  The nite before at the skippers meeting a national 
weather forecaster was reviewing gulf conditions explaining that for most of 
the race wind would be SE which for us then was a close reach/ beat... the 
entire race.   Next morning we had an excellent start (2nd over line) and 
maintained a favored position during the first two days even against much 
longer water line boats. A series of mechanical problems all due from steering 
cables coming loose started on day three. Each time we would head off on a 
manageable course using emergency tiller while hanging off the back making 
steering cable repairs... wew.  We had the same steering failure a total of 
seven times during the race with each "event" taking 60-75 minutes to make 
repairs.  Th
 e steering would give  out typically at nite during heavy weather with more 
pressure on rudder. Fun.
We finished race only to find out we were dead f-__ing last.  So much for 
representing the C&C nation.  Found an excellent mechanic on Isla who helped me 
rebuild entire steering quadrant including steel fabrication. The cause for 
anyone who hasn't guested it by now... backing plate under binnacle which 
holds sheves was corroding and literally gave way.  The sheves did not have 
lateral holding strength.  

I hope to share this experience with everyone in that it's not enough to 
inspect your steering cables and sheves - mine looked fine prior to race.  
Advise removing binnacle to get a very clear view of backing plate and how well 
sheves are attached.  If your going off shore this is a must. No matter how 
much you prepare - AIS, radar, all safety gear, rig inspection etc etc. there 
is always more to consider prior to going off shore.

I love this boat more now than ever - strong and able to handle anything Gulf 
and Yucatan threw at it.  Now a new off shore capable steering system. Will do 
more races for sure.  Oh, and we received the last place Tortuga award ;).  But 
also the seamanship award for overcoming challenge & adversity at sea.  Can't 
take that one home it's perpetual at Southern Yacht Club.

Finally, I'm looking for a couple of crew to enjoy some Mexico sailing for a 
few days and then back across Gulf to new Orleans.  Winds and current are with 
us  for this trip I anticipate 4 days crossing.  Looking at early July time 
frame.  We fly in to Cancun and take a ferry over to Isla. 
Let me know if anyone interested.

Steve Thorne
Deja Vu
770.722.2848
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 02:03:10 + (UTC)
> From: Chuck S via CnC-List 
> To: "Schumpert, Monty" ,"CNC boat owners,
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List 2012 Annapolis Bermuda Race C&C 37
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> Good for you!! 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
> To: "Pete Shelquist" , "CNC boat owners, 
> cnc-list"  
> Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 7:37:31 PM 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 2012 Annapolis Bermuda Race C&C 37 
> 
> I know it too -- I'll be on Impr

Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 18

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Guys the race starts tomorrow.  We finished a practice round today on Pensacola 
Bay using the 155 / drifter / asym etc all while the Blue Angles were 
practicing right above us for their Summer shows. Was surreal.  

Will do our best represent the C&C nation.

After the race we will head south to Belize then onto Rio Dulce.  

OKhere we go!

Steve

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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 17:20:12 -0300
>> From: Rich Knowles via CnC-List 
>> To: Marek Dziedzic ,"cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
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>> Marek, this is not a money issue. It's merely a way of making sure that all 
>> batteries get due attention and are properly charged. All the people I've 
>> converted to this system have never been stuck for power to start their 
>> engines. 
>> 
>> The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really wrong, it's just that 
>> Xantrex assumes we are not all ignorant. 
>> 
>> Rich
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2014, at 14:52, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Edd,
>>> 
>>> I am far from being an expert on charging systems, so whatever I say here 
>>> is based on my personal experience and what I have found from others.
>>> 
>>> The echo charger is a Xantrex device (I bet that others make one like that, 
>>> as well). WM sells it here: 
>>> http://www.westmarine.com/triple-blocks/xantrex--echo-charge-battery-charger?333669;
>>>  Defender here: 
>>> http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|328|2289962|2289976&id=93959 
>>> (for $10 less).
>>> 
>>> It seems that it is a device that responds to exactly your issue ? how to 
>>> keep a starting battery charged and separated from the house without any 
>>> overly complex (and costly) dual battery regulators.
>>> 
>>> Apparently, there is a caveat with it. You may want to read that rant by 
>>> Main Sail: 
>>> http://www.sailnet.com/forums/electrical-systems/72295-xantrex-echo-charger-rant.html.
>>>  There is nothing wrong with the devi