Re: Stus-List PHRF Reviews and Adjustments

[james via CnC-List]

Yes there definitely was a shoal draft version of the 30-1 with a draft 
of 4'3". My family had a 1971 shoal draft 30-1 that we purchased at the 
Annapolis Boat Show. We raced it for many years on the Pamlico River 
with a PHRF rating of 180. We won a lot of silver and had our rating 
protested several times (but it was never adjusted). I'm pretty sure 
that we never failed to win any race that had winds of 15+ Knots of 
wind. Interesting side note, my father was part of the group that 
brought PHRF to North Carolina and started NC-PHRF.


James Taylor

Delaney, C 38-2

Oriental, NC


On 12/15/2019 12:31 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List wrote:


I am pretty sure there was a shoal draft version of the 30-1. There is 
a drawing in the back of my owner’s manual which shows such a boat – 
dotted line about six inches above the profile of the keel. No other 
mentions in the manual (which covers most of the early boats and is 
dated from 1976 to 1979, depending on the page.


Gary Nylander

#593

*From:*CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Rick 
Brass via CnC-List

*Sent:* Sunday, December 15, 2019 11:46 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Rick Brass 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List PHRF Reviews and Adjustments

According to the US Sailing PHRF Rating Book, the base for the 30-1 is 
174. That number is generally established as a “yardstick” based on 
information supplied by the manufacturer when the boat is first 
manufactured.


The actual base ratings across the various PHRF fleets range from a 
low of 168 to a high of 186 (based on the “dramatic differences in 
local conditions” as you put it. Individual boat ratings will depend 
on modifications, sails, and all the other variables that PHRF considers.


NC-PHRF doesn’t have any 30’s in the fleet. Chessie PHRF shows 3: 
Anchovy and Gary’s boat at 174, and a shoal draft 30 (could this 
really be a 30-2?) rated at 180.


Rick Brass

Washington, NC

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Fred Hazzard via CnC-List

*Sent:* Friday, December 13, 2019 7:34 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Cc:* Fred Hazzard mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com>>
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List PHRF Reviews and Adjustments

I am surprised that all the 30’s are rated the same given the dramatic 
differences in conditions they race in. San Francisco verses San Diego 
for example.


Fred Hazzard

S/V Fury

C 44

Portland Or


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Re: Stus-List C Lister Roll Call

[james via CnC-List]

James Taylor / 38 mk2/ 1976/23056/jtsa...@gmail.com/oriental, nc

James

On 10/3/2019 4:52 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:

Listers,

In my spare time, I’m going to start working on an email list / 
bulletin board / photo archive / information center website for C 
Owners, that will act as a supplement and perhaps one day, _only_ when 
Stu says he’s no longer interested in continuing on, act as a 
replacement to the service we are using now.


I’d like to start compiling a database of C Owners. When you have a 
moment, please respond to this email (either to the whole list or by 
direct email to me) with the following information:


Name / Boat name / C Model / C Year / Sail number / Email Address 
/ Home Port


For example:
Edd Schillay / Starship Enterprise / C 37/40+ / 1990 / NCC-1701-B / 
e...@schillay.com  / Venice Island, FL


Thanks to all.

And for those of you up north who are reviewing/signing their winter 
haul-out and storage contracts, I can now say, “Nah, Nah. Na-Na Nah!"


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 

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Re: Stus-List C 41 Cockpit Modification for cruising

[james via CnC-List]

My 1976 38 came with a set of these. I used them once... I can't even 
remember where I stored them. I didn't like having to step up on them to 
get to the helm and the added seating was not worth the inconvenience.


James

Oriental, NC

On 9/30/2019 2:00 PM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List wrote:
I’m very interested in the port and starboard “filler” boards.  I’m 
thinking about making a set for more seating in the cockpit.  The 
cockpit configuration on my boat is similar to the 34 and the 36 of 
the same vintage (late-‘70s / early-80s).  Has anyone done this?

*From:* Glenn Henderson via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2019 1:36 PM
*To:* CnC-List@cnc-list.com 
*Cc:* Glenn Henderson 
*Subject:* Stus-List C 41 Cockpit Modification for cruising
I made a prototype of these "cockpit filler" to make the cockpit more 
suitable for the distance sailing were going to do. The helm seat 
flips up for use or under for a flat seat to lay on. There is stowage 
underneath for Jerry Jugs. I am going to see if there is room for the 
life raft. This is a plywood mock-up but usable. I may build on out of 
Starboard plastic. It turns the cockpit into a comfortable place to 
stretch out. I am stoked with this. The only disadvantage is that you 
need to step up onto the extension to access the helm station but that 
is no big deal to us.

Google Drive:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1o7gXrLQRjiJn80-MJIXrgehgzaD1_zNQ?usp=sharing
Glenn Henderson
C 41
WeGo


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Re: Stus-List Air draft for C 41 (regular production model, 1986)

[james via CnC-List]

Joyce,

According to the Brochure on Stu's site, 41(c), the air draft on you 
boat is 60' 4". No worries on any of the bridges on the ICW.


James

On 9/27/2019 3:30 PM, joyce mango via CnC-List wrote:

Hi-

Really struggling to get exact measurement of our mast above waterline 
on C 41 1986 (just the normal design model) to see if we could do 
the "Hatteras bypass" stretch of the ditch.   I'm thinking our air 
draft is 63 feet, approx, but don't want to hit our newly purchased 
boat's mast!  Anyone know how I can get a more exact measure - did the 
halyard thing, but measuring from mast to waterline seems impossibly 
imprecise


Thanks,
Joyce

L. Eleanor Joyce Mango
joycemang...@gmail.com 
978.270.2991



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Re: Stus-List Air draft for C 41 (regular production model, 1986)

[james via CnC-List]

Joyce,

The only concern for Air draft would be the Wilkerson Bridge that is 
just above Belhaven, NC. It is a foot lower than the standard ICW 
bridges. That area has no lunar tide, only wind driven tides and that 
far up the Pungo River it rarely changes very much. The bigger concern 
that I see is your water draft. If you have the standard 7.8' draft you 
will have to be very careful in some areas. It can certainly be done, 
but it can be pretty unforgiving at that draft. Active Captain has good 
data on the problem areas. Coinjock is the toughest part, but getting 
out of the channel with that draft will lead to a (soft) grounding. 
Also, There is a big Phosphate plant on the Pamlico River that runs 
barges to Morehead City on a daily basis. The plus to that is that they 
draw 8+ feet so you know that the channel between those places is at 
least that deep. The negative is you may meet up with one of them in a 
narrow section of a ditch (dug out cut). In past years, I regularly 
moved a 7+ foot draft sailboat through that area. My procedure was to 
call them on VHF (just call for PCS Barge) and let them know that I was 
a deep draft boat and that I would move over as far as possible.  I 
never had an incident other than a temporary soft grounding. Also, they 
don't run those barges as often as they used to, so meeting one in a 
narrow area is much less likely. If you would like more info feel free 
to email me.


James

Delaney, 1976 C 38

Oriental, NC



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Re: Stus-List PHRF Racing

[james via CnC-List]

John,

You are tempting me to come out of retirement! With you, Charlie, Mark 
and maybe get Rick Brass to come down from Washington, we could have a 5 
boat C class. Except for Charlie, we all have very similar PHRF 
ratings! I won't make any promises, "life" is giving us some challenges 
these days


James Taylor

Delaney, 1976 C 38

Oriental, NC



On 6/11/2019 3:25 PM, John Conklin via CnC-List wrote:

Charlie,
Sounds as though I have moved into your slot in Oriental. Oh yes The 
etchells and j24 are still here! :)
I don't have the rating you do with my 37,  but yes we are generally 
always first to the weather Mark! Last week on the down wind leg same 
thing you mention in 4-knots and Mr Tartan was gaining til we were 
able to get the whisker pole worked out, then good bye!  Favorable 
shift and 14 knots! made for an upwind finish from Adams creek to 
Oriental1 and we clobbered them by many many minutes.
Win loose or draw, crazy ratings or not,  I plan to be out there 
having fun (as long as wind holds) under 4-5  it's power boat to New 
Bern for lunch! :)
Mark B  said he was doing Dragons Breath Regatta this year, and I plan 
to be out there as  well.  Would be great if you can join in and have 
Nice C fleet ( well at least 3-4) on the start line !

Then I can get some nice pictures from astern of you guys under sail!

Ciao!!
John Conklin
S/V Halcyon

John Conklin
South East Sales and Business Development
cel 301-412-8991
j.conk...@marraforni.com
www.marraforni.com 



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Re: Stus-List Leaks and ceiling panels

[james via CnC-List]

Adam,

I replaced my ceiling panels with new ones cut from "Foamed PVC Board". 
The only trouble I had was that the old adhesive from the original 
velcro was impossible to remove and the new velcro didn't stick to it 
very well. My solution was to use 2" velcro.


James

"Delaney" 1976 C 38

Oriental, NC

On 4/20/2019 6:26 AM, Adam Hayden via CnC-List wrote:

Hello Listers

We have pretty major water intrusion coming in on the port side by the 
bulkhead in the salon of our C 36. The water is gathering on the 
edge of the fibreglass headliner and running into the storage 
cupboards.  I have rebedded the chain plates and handrails.  The 
stanchions are too far outboard.  Any suggestions?


Also this has been discussed before.  Has anyone replaced ceiling 
panels and used velcro to hold them in?  What was the best material? I 
have thought of those fibreglass panels found at home depot but seems 
pretty messy to cut.


Adam



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Re: Stus-List 35-2 headliner treatment; chainplate inspection

[james via CnC-List]

Shawn,

My boat came with vinyl covered plywood panels that are held in place by 
velcro. They had become pretty ragged and warped so I replaced them with 
"foamed PVC" sheet. They look very nice. I can't find any pics of them 
but I'll email you a before pic. I'm not sure that would work on your 
boat, but it's an idea


James Taylor

Delaney, 1976 C 38

Oriental, NC

On 4/10/2019 11:36 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List wrote:
We are considering a '74 35-2 which has had quite a number of holes 
drilled through the interior headliner, for the purpose of 
through-bolting (and apparently epoxy filling/drilling, but not 
confirmed by me) various hardware, including replacement stainless 
grab rails. In some areas, 4-8" circular holes were cut, and white 
acrylic panels similar to the factory panels were added, which look 
ok. For the grab rails, there is just a series of 1" holes. There are 
also a few places where access was cut for wiring. As a result, the 
headliner is not too tidy, with a bit of a swiss cheese look.


What I am wondering is whether anyone has successfully made a 
headliner cover from vinyl, fabric or semi rigid material like I've 
seen done on other boats. My first thought is that the complex curves 
in the cabin top would make this very difficult to do well. I have 
seen one example where the white covers were in teak veneer (maybe 
this was an option?) but I think that might just make them stand out more.


Also, something more critical than headliners - what do I look for 
when inspecting the chainplates on the 35-2? If I get a chance on this 
boat, I will need to look closely at them. Are they visible behind the 
sliding storage doors, or do I need to take things apart to fully inspect?


--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com 

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Re: Stus-List GPS date rollover

[james via CnC-List]

My Garmin 76C handheld is fine.

James

Delaney 38-2

Oriental, NC


On 4/8/2019 4:19 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Well, yesterday was the rollover date for the GPS satellite system. Experts 
thought some older GPS units would not be able to handle the rollover.

I just fired up my old Garmin 128 (circa1999) fixed mount and Garmin 72 
handheld.  Both seem to be accurate.

If you have a vintage GPS I suggest you check it for accuracy before going 
sailing.

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning - C 37+

[james via CnC-List]

I installed a 16k BTU Webasto FCF self contained unit that included a 
remote control and reverse cycle for heat. I'm very happy with it and 
the kit included a high quality thru hull and strainer/filter for the 
water intact. The blower is a little on the loud side, but that is 
actually welcome when I'm in a busy marina and has never been a concern 
for us. 16k BTU is more than enough for our 38' and will keep it very 
comfortable on 100 degree days, even with the companionway hatch open. I 
installed it in the second hanging locker across from the head and have 
a duct running forward to the V-berth and another running aft to the 
salon. I would be happy to send pics of the install if you would like, 
but your interior is much different than mine.


James

Delany

1976 C 38

Oriental, NC



On 3/26/2019 9:03 PM, Stephen Thorne via CnC-List wrote:
we installed the ac on as simple as possible on DejaVu under the 
galley sink.  didnt run duct work but still handles the main goal of 
dehumidifying and cooling down the interior.


On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:46 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Listers,

I’m interested in hearing from 37/40 and/or 34/36 owners that have
air conditioning installed on their boats - specifically what
brand, where the compressor is installed, venting, etc.

It’s a good possibility that the Enterprise will be in a location
with steady shore power in 2020 and I’m strongly considering this
add-on.

All the best,

Edd

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Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY
www.StarshipSailing.com 
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Re: Stus-List 100 to 110 headsail

[james via CnC-List]

Brian,

I have never sailed on a 34, but it looks very similar to my 38 in 
design but a little more tender. When I replaced my 155% I went with a 
120% and I'm very happy with it for a cruising sail. Plenty of power for 
cruising, much easier handling I had the old UK loft (now North) in 
Annapolis make it and was very impressed. That loft has made all of the 
sails that have ever been on my boat since it was new in 1976. My 155% 
is aging nicely in the storage shed. For cruising, I would highly 
recommend the smaller headsail. Nice to have the 155% just in case I get 
a little itch to go race. I did use dacron, but specified a little 
lighter cloth than would normally be used on a small headsail, I think 
it was 6oz instead of the recommended 8oz.


James

Delaney, 1976 C 38

Oriental, NC


On 1/31/2019 4:27 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:

Brian,

At 100 or 110%, that’s pretty small — practically a storm jib — which 
I’m guessing you won’t bring out until it’s really blowing. In that 
case, I’d stick to some heavy-duty Dacron.


Suggest you reach out to National Sail Supply — nationalsail.com 
. They make some sails at great prices.


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 





On Jan 31, 2019, at 3:55 PM, Brian Chambers via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


My 1979 C 34 is only equipped with a 155 headsail. Would like to 
have a 100 or 110 on hand. Any ideas?


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Re: Stus-List Rendezvous Next Year

[james via CnC-List]

A Rendezvous in N.C. I'm in!!!

James Taylor

1976 C 38

Delaney

Oriental, NC



On 11/2/2018 10:50 AM, John Conklin via CnC-List wrote:


Yeah it’s a great spot from what I have seen Neuse sailing association 
did a trip there this year


If not maybe we can do a small  local NC Rendezvous Ocracoke or 
Oriental  would love to meet everyone !


John C

S/V Halcyon


*From:* CnC-List  on behalf of 
detroito91 via CnC-List 

*Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:26:33 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* detroito91
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Rendezvous Next Year
Belhaven would be great. Rum factory tour, pig pickin on the grounds, 
etc. Dowry creek marina has room for us and even has a pool.

See ya'll here
Jim Schwartz
SEA YA!
38 landfall
Washington nc


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 Original message 
From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Date: 11/1/18 5:23 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rendezvous Next Year

OK, sooo, you're all invited to Louisville for the Derby next year, 
lots of horses, bourbon, , the world's tallest baseball boat, at least 
two C boatsdid I say Bourbon?




Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB, Ohio River, Mile 595; (notice the 
numbers change?)


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: John Conklin via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: John Conklin 
Sent: Thu, Nov 1, 2018 4:58 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Annapolis-Mid Atlantic Rendezvous Next Year

Yes to the group would be great Just set up a CnC rendezvous group we 
can all add to it as they come up wherever
Hoping for an Oriental area gathering next year ? Maybe Bell haven ? 
There are a lot of us down here in the  Mid South North Area :-)

John

John Conklin
South East Sales and Business Development
cel 301-412-8991
j.conk...@marraforni.com
www.marraforni.com 


*From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Josh 
Muckley via CnC-List 

*Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 12:09:39 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Josh Muckley
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Annapolis-Mid Atlantic Rendezvous Next Year
I screwed up by making a Facebook "page".  I should have made a 
"group".  The page didn't work as planned.  I'll do better next year.  
I still encourage everyone to share their pictures and videos to the page.


https://www.facebook.com/2018MACCR/ 
 



Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:56 PM John Conklin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Wish I could have been there. Althought I live in Chapel Hill/
Oriental NC my corp office is in Beltsville MD so you can bet if
you select Annapolis again next year I will plan accordingly to
have a funded flight to the rendezvous? and be there  for sure !
Whats the FB page for the pics ??
John C
S/V Halcyon

*From:* CnC-List mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf of Len Mitchell
via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2018 12:43:08 PM
*To:* CNC List
*Cc:* Len Mitchell
*Subject:* Stus-List Annapolis-Mid Atlantic Rendezvous Next Year
We had a lot of fun at Annapolis this year. We drove about 10
hours and it was well worth the drive. Nice people and good times.
It’s nice to put a face to people on an email forum. So that said,
we would make the drive anywhere in the area. A venue would be a
plus if it was raining. I can’t thank the group enough for hosting
us on their warm boats in the unseasonably cool & damp weather
last weekend and let’s not forget Josh & Carmeletta for organizing!

Len & Susanne
Midland On.

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Re: Stus-List Propeller Sizing

[james via CnC-List]

David,

I'm a fellow Afourian and I would say that the performance you are 
getting is impressive for a folding prop. My question with your setup is 
what happens in chop and waves? If you are satisfied with the rough 
weather performance and you want to stay with a folding prop, I don't 
think you would be able to do much (or any) better than what you have. 
The Indigo prop is very popular for direct drive A-4's and would give a 
substantial boost in rough weather performance. It would also increase 
the longevity of your engine by reducing the loads. Just for your 
information, My a-4 has a reduction gear and a 16x10 two blade fixed 
prop. Wide open throttle is 3200rpms and 6.5 knots. Cruise is 2500-2700 
rpms (depending on the skippers mood) and 6-6.2 knots. Rough water 
really kills performance and I usually motorsail with the main. Joe is 
right on the money...


James Taylor

Delaney

1976 C 38

Oriental, NC


On 10/30/2018 10:04 AM, David Morris via CnC-List wrote:


I determined at haulout this weekend our newly-acquired 1975 C 30 
MKI, Atomic 4, direct drive is equipped with a Gori two-blade folding 
prop, measuring approx. 11.5”. I have neither the experience or 
expertise to know if this is a great prop for the boat, a lousy one, 
or, more likely, somewhere in between. After a major tune-up on the 
engine, we seemed to be able to run at around 6.2 knots in relatively 
calm water. Any advice, suggestions, observations anyone would care to 
offer on prop selection would be much appreciated.


David J. Morris, MBA
President, D.J. Morris & Associates Ltd.
427 Division Street, Kingston, ON Canada K7K 4A8
Tel. 613-531-4429
email: djmor...@djma-ltd.com
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Stus-List Good luck Wally!!!!

[james via CnC-List]

Hope you come through this safe and sound!

James

Delaney

1976 C 38

Oriental, NC


On 10/22/2018 8:14 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:
Here’s a post from Wal Bryant on /Stella Blue/ (Landfall 38) in Mexico 
(posted with his permission); he’s in the more direct path of Willa 
right now:


And so it begins. Willa to the North, Vicente to the south. And me in 
the middle. (I think that's a classic quote from Clint Eastwood's 
'For a Fistful of Dollars.')


The worry is Willa. It's going to hit to the North, and with 
anticlockwise rotation the wind and swell is going to come straight 
from the Southwest. The Bay is wide open from that direction, and 
yesterday Mike Michael Eric Danielson 
 at 
PV Sailing said the swell forecast was for 20 foot swells. I've 
sailed my boat through 20 foot seas, and used the EFF word a few 
times. Having them hit shallow water and slam into the breakwater 
will be something to watch. I think it's entirely possible that waves 
will wash over the breakwater into the marina. The breakwater itself 
is relatively new, and hasn't filled in with sand and sediment. When 
there is surge outside, boats inside still move around. A lot.


So I spent today adding dock lines, and setting up spare dock lines, 
and taping around hatches that have leaky gaskets, and making an 
inventory of rope. I have more rope on this boat than is reasonable. 
People laugh at me. But once, a couple of years ago, a barge broke 
loose and I had 400 feet of rope. It came in handy.


As soon as I was done getting my lines and my backup lines ready, the 
rain started. The hurricane is still two days off. This is just the 
outer fringe.


Walking around this morning, I seemed to be the only one preparing. I 
saw someone doing brightwork (varnishing teak.) I mentioned the 
situation to someone else, and she said "We talked to Long-Timers and 
they said it's no big deal." Well, I've been in Pacific Mexico for 
nine years, and this is only the second time I've set up to get hit 
by sh_t. And it's the first time I've pulled a couple of lines over 
to the pilings two feet above the spring tide high water mark.


I've seen 50 with gusts to 70, and that was at anchor where the boat 
was pointed into the wind. I'm really not worried about wind, I'm 
worried about wind swell.


I think tomorrow a bunch of people will be running around in the rain 
doing what I did this morning. I'll be inside the boat making sure my 
bilge pumps are clear and the through hulls are closed and the last 
minute details are done. Then I'll adjust the lines to move the boat 
boat away from the dock, put on my Helly Hansen jacket and hope that 
the people who said "It's nothing" were right and I was totally 
wrong. I really hope that all I've done is give my spare dock lines a 
good rinse.




Let’s wish him luck.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:16 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2018/10/22/powerful-east-coast-storm-may-develop-friday-into-weekend/?utm_term=.a559c2294827
Yikes!
Joe
Coquina



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Re: Stus-List Rob - C long time question

[james via CnC-List]

Thanks Don,

James Taylor

Delaney

1976 C 38 hull #100

Oriental, NC

Owned Since 2012, Second owner.


On 9/30/2018 7:07 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List wrote:
Being retired, and having a rainy day I put together a spread sheet 
(attached) from the replies to Jack's request.  Please let me know by 
email, if you want to be removed or want to make corrections to the 
list.  Rhis is a shorten list that does not include the second and 
third boats that folks have owned.


I will send out an update as soon as the replies peter out.

ps: What part of the C serial number is the hull number, the last 
three digits?


Best regards,
Don Kern
Fireball - 12708
1974 C 35 Mk2
Bristol, RI 02809



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Re: Stus-List Rob - Edge: survival

[james via CnC-List]

Delaney is also moored in Oriental, NC. We came out fine also. Pecan 
Grove Marina is a dug out harbor and very protected, we also have a team 
of volunteers that monitor dock lines during storms. My boat did pull up 
a dock cleat (and two dock boards) on a bow line, but they had put a 
second line to another cleat that held well. The boat was incredibly 
dirty after the storm, but not so much as a scratch even though we had 
9.6' of water rise on a fixed dock!


James Taylor

C 38

Delaney

Oriental, NC


On 9/29/2018 7:07 PM, John Conklin via CnC-List wrote:
So ooo glad we all made my 37 (first year with her or any bigger boat) 
was docked at whittaker creek east dock in Oriental  I stripped her to 
the bone i tied her off and retied many times. Lines at top on piles 
6-7 ft over water line I have 3 piles on starboard and 4 on port bow 
in so much more than most marinas.The big  stuff was from the north so 
we faired prettywel. 2 days later I finally heard she was happily 
resting mid slip with nary a scratch ! For a reward I headed  to west 
marine and bought her all new VPC running rigging    Even a few cool 
colors for some bling.
Sails are at the loft while off and little touch up stiching uv cover 
 good cleaning, and we should finish the season strong  ! Yard  work?? 
well diff story

john

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net 


On Sep 27, 2018, at 10:58 AM, Mark Baldridge via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



Richard,

I anchored her out on Tuesday, 9/11. I was the only boat there at the 
time. I've anchored my 35mk2 in that location many times. I like it 
because no one else anchors there and there is enough deep water that 
if it blows out I don't pound the bottom.


Two other boats later anchored out with me, a Catalina 25 and a 
Nonsuch. Both of them blew on shore. The Catalina was retrieved 
before the waters dropped and was re-anchored. No such luck for the 
Nonsuch (see pic).


I put out a delta 35lb on 200 ft or rode with new chafe guard. I put 
out a 35lb CQR with 200ft of chain and snubber. When I found her, she 
had drug .42 miles. Good thing I didn't have the spot tracker running 
or I would have gone crazy. The delta was not holding and was wrapped 
up in a ghost crabpot. The CQR was holding and the snubber had come 
unattached and the chain spun the release on the windlass so that all 
the chain plus 150ft of rode ran out. Good thing the rode was well 
attached to the bow. It took about 15 minutes to get the CQR up with 
the windlass and assistance from a powerboat. Next time I will use my 
45lb danforth as the secondary anchor. Lesson learned.


When I retrieved the boat the engine would just bump and not turn 
over. I hand turned it back and it would stop at the same spot going 
forward. Figured water may have entered it. I keep a head sail on 
board, so we sailed her back in the slip. That was Monday 9/17. Still 
blowing, but had help putting her in the slip. Motor is fine after 
getting the water out and changing oil/filter. So, not a scratch on her!


Everyone that stayed at the Washington Country Club docks in Broad 
Creek did fine. Figure that! I just can't leave a boat in the slip 
during high water. Boats also came off their stands in the yards due 
to high water. A lot of boats anchored in Broad Creek also went in 
the trees. I'll take my chances out at anchor in the big water.


Here are a couple of pics: 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1v3Z3rHK-NMiGZEvN47q7LTNQ6hVHZgbi?usp=sharing


Mark


On 9/27/2018 9:45 AM, Richard Bush wrote:
Mark, that's an awesome story about Edge surviving Florence; do you 
have any film footage of the boat before or after (possibly during) 
the storm?  what type of bottom did the anchor eventually catch on? 
Were there other boats around? Thanks


Richard
s/v/ Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 602.5
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: Mark Baldridge via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Mark Baldridge 
Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2018 9:34 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rob - C long time question

1975 C 27 'Twain' for 12 years
1974 C 35 MkII 'The Edge' for 25 years
1989 C 37/40+ 'The Edge' for 1 1/2 years and current boat

BTW, 'The Edge' survived Florence just fine. She drug about half a 
mile in the Pamlico river, but never ventured into shallow water. 
Water entered though the exhaust and into the M35 cylinders. Glad I 
left a sail inside so I could sail back to the slip. Pulled the glow 
plugs, got the water out and after a couple of oil/filter changes is 
running fine.


Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C/40+ "The Edge"
Surf City, NC





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Re: Stus-List Gas consumption C with Atomic 4

[james via CnC-List]

My C 38 has an A4 with a 2:1 reduction and a solid 16x10 prop. Fuel 
Burn is just over 1 gph at 2500-2750 rpm's.


James T.

Delaney

Oriental, NC


On 7/14/2018 10:57 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
I had AT4 in Touche', 35-1, for a few years.  Had Martec folding 14x5P 
prop.  Fuel economy was about 1 gph for usual conditions.


If you were motoring into wind and waves, you were more than likely 
"making bubbles".  That is, in order for you to get to the full 
horsepower of the AT4, you were near max rpm, 2500-2800.  Your AT4 is 
probably a 1:1 transmission.  Your boat speed was slower therefore 
your prop was probably cavitating quite a bit due to the high prop 
rpm.  The resulting inefficiency drove your fuel usage up.


Diesels are usually reduction drives, usually about 2:1. Therefore, a 
diesel running 2800 rpm has a prop speed of about 1400 rpm.  Diesel 
drives are pitched at 12-16, give or take. That, and a flatter torque 
curve, is why diesels are better for punching into waves.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:29 AM, jay hackney via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Hello colleagues
Filled with gas for the Atomic 4 in Port Whitby Canada Day and
sailed back to Toronto. Wind out of the West and tight timeline
meant we had to motor against the wind and waves for 2.5 hr. That
would be relatively “hard” motoring at 4-5 knots. Since then I’ve
motored about another 3/4hr for a total of 3.25 hours, again at
about 4.5 knots. Filled with gas again the other day to measure
gas consumption and got 7.9 litres per hour, or 1.8 gal per hour.
I’ve got a 2-blade folding prop (which, by the way, make reversing
difficult - in the sense that there is no quick stopping).
Does that seem normal?
Online research seems to go from 0.5 to 2-3 gal per hour.
Anyone with an A4 on a C with a gas consumption comparison out
there?
thanks
Jay Hackney
Windblown
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Perko Head Door Latch

[james via CnC-List]

They are pot metal with a chrome plating. Just replace it, they still 
make them. Mine was a part number 1028 if I remember correctly.



James

"Delaney"

1976 C 38

Oriental, NC


On 7/8/2018 4:03 PM, David via CnC-List wrote:
Circa 1981... trying to remove to polish it up and make it look 
presentable. But seem to be running into a dead end is there any kind 
of secret that I should know about before I break the darn thing? 
Thanks in advance


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Re: Stus-List 39 not selling

[james via CnC-List]

That is definitely an aftermarket keel! The original 39 keel was swept 
back and had a 6' 3" draft. My family had a 39 that had been similarly 
modified. It was extremely fast upwind but had too much weather helm and 
needed a much bigger rudder. The 39 sailed best when it was highly 
loaded (sail and heel-wise) but it rounded up way too easily with the 
Doug Peterson style keel.


James

"Delaney"

1976 C 38

Oriental, NC


On 6/15/2018 12:29 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C%26C--3009645/Baddeck/Canada#.WyPWCyApCUk 



Is it the deep draft? I would need to chop 3-1/2 feet off that keel to 
get into my slip.

Joe
Coquina

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Re: Stus-List new haylards

[james via CnC-List]

Tom,

I replaced all of my halyards with New England VPC. It is a blended rope 
with a dacron cover and a vectran core and the cost is only slightly 
higher than Sta-Set. The advantage is that you get a low stretch halyard 
that has very little creep(elongation over time).


James

Delaney

C 38 Mk11

Oriental, NC


On 12/10/2017 6:23 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote:
Stay set should be fine for your purposes. It is low stretch Dacron 
and much less expensive than the Dyneema I'd recommend if you were racing.

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA    02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

On Dec 10, 2017, at 06:08, T power via CnC-List > wrote:



Hi Everyone,


I'm looking to replace my foresail and headsail halyard on my C 30 
MKI, my foresail is a combination of wire and rope. The boat is used 
by new sailor for cruising.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Cheers


Tom Power
Invictus
C 30 MK1
Fredericton, NB
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Re: Stus-List 1980 C 30 MKI - DIY Lifelines

[james via CnC-List]

Chris,

I did the lifelines on my boat with dyneema (Amsteel) and fittings from 
CS Johnson. Look on page 29 of their catalogue for the fittings and 
kits. www.csjohnson.com


James

Delaney

C 38 1976

Oriental, NC


On 8/31/2017 10:47 AM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List wrote:
The surveyor when I bought the boat said I could replace the standing 
rigging myself one wire at a time. Of course I had a lot of gusto when 
I first purchased her and balls to hoist atop and unclip 37 year old 
standing rigging. Today I have the phone number of a rigger who was 
recommended to inspect my original rig and lifelines, expecting a 
hefty price tag I am keen on the idea of at least doing the lifelines 
myself. Digging around I found these hand-crimping lifeline fittings 
from Bosun 
http://www.bosunsupplies.com/Lifeline-Fittings-Hand-Crimp/ anyone had 
any experience replacing their lifelines and any lessons they could 
pass on? I’m sure having the rigging replaced could mean a deal on the 
lifelines, but wanted to explore my options.


Chris Hobson
S/V Going
1980 C MKI
Hull 615





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Re: Stus-List changing stern light

[james via CnC-List]

Rick,

My Nav lights were changed to AquaSignal mounted on the Pushpit and 
Pulpit. The original locations were glassed over.


James

Delaney

1976 C 38

Oriental, NC



On 8/11/2017 12:35 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:


Interesting, James. Our boats are only about 40 apart in HIN, but my 
stern light uses a festoon bulb instead of a bayonet mount.


Rick Brass

ImzadiC 38 mk2 #47

la Belle AuroreC 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*james via CnC-List

*Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2017 9:15 PM
*To:* Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*Cc:* james <jtsai...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List changing stern light

If you have the same stern light that I have, look at this link 
http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-8dhjm4ne/products/152/images/949/Eyeball3__60776.1445526326.1280.1280.jpg?c=2 
for a LED replacement.


James Taylor

Delaney

C 38, 1976

Oriental, NC

On 8/10/2017 8:42 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Clueless as to the bulb.

Tape a box under the fixture.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Richard Walter via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Ahoy!

Bulb is out(?) in the stern running light. 1) what is the the
bulb for an OEM 1978 36-footer? 2) suggestions for swapping
the bulb while we're in the water? I'm thinking of taping the
frame, etc. to the transom to try to minimize dropping pieces
overboard. 3) wait till the boat's on the hard?

Thanks,

Richard Walter

s/v INDIGO


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Re: Stus-List changing stern light

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If you have the same stern light that I have, look at this link 
http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-8dhjm4ne/products/152/images/949/Eyeball3__60776.1445526326.1280.1280.jpg?c=2 
for a LED replacement.


James Taylor

Delaney

C 38, 1976

Oriental, NC



On 8/10/2017 8:42 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Clueless as to the bulb.

Tape a box under the fixture.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Richard Walter via CnC-List 
> wrote:


Ahoy!

Bulb is out(?) in the stern running light. 1) what is the the bulb
for an OEM 1978 36-footer? 2) suggestions for swapping the bulb
while we're in the water? I'm thinking of taping the frame, etc.
to the transom to try to minimize dropping pieces overboard. 3)
wait till the boat's on the hard?

Thanks,
Richard Walter
s/v INDIGO

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Re: Stus-List Refit for a 1981 Landfall 38

[james via CnC-List]

John,

I'll make a few comments on projects that I have done

Companion way doors, if you want to redo the veneer, look at 
woodworkersource.com.

Awesome place to get teak veneer to go over existing or new panels...

Cockpit cushions- I can not recommend Bottomsiders.com highly enough. 
Awesome cushions.


ACDC panel- I went with Blue Seas, no regrets

Air Conditioning- Webasto, no questions! Awesome product, no problems.

Deck hardware- Guarhauer, without a doubt!

James Taylor

C 38

Oriental, NC


On 7/31/2017 6:35 PM, john wright via CnC-List wrote:

Hello everyone

I am about to begin a complete refit on what is the best boat  for my 
purpose ( sailing around Cape Code as we get ready to do the Caribbean 
1500 in 2019), after looking or sailing at least 100 boat over the 
past 4 years. The boat is in better than average condition, I will 
post pictures later.


I have the work broken down into three categories, and would 
appreciate any recommendations and reorganizing of the list.


Thanks

*Level 1: Repairs and Installations*
Replace old set of AGM batteries with new set
Remove old engine, clean and repaint engine room, rebuild engine bed 
as needed to fit the new Yanmar 3JH5e

Replace all hoses for new engine
Move raw water sea strainer and Racor fuel filter to easier location 
to monitor visually

Gelcoat – fill all chips and nicks with gelcoat
Clean stains with FSR
Repair teak grating at pedestal (epoxy the connections to frame)
Clean teak with teak cleaner
Replace teak combing with thicker mahogany boards
Clean and Polish all gelcoat surfaces
Hull bottom – sand and repaint with anti-fouling ablative paint
Re-install mast and tune rigging
Make line hanger in cockpit below deck winches functional once again
Add gasket to aft access panel under helm seat
Repair/ refinish wood framework to companionway
Re-varnish companionway door
Make better drainage in port cockpit locker and revarnish partition wood
Install the new Whale Gusher manual pump in cockpit
Update propane solenoid
Remake companionway door cover to fit better
Deck and House – clean and re-varnish woodwork (handrails, dorade boxes)
Clean and polish all stainless hardware
Replace gasket material on all opening ports
Repaint all dorade vents
Replace traveler cam cleat
Clean, sand and varnish bow platform
Stanchion support on starboard bent – take to shop and straighten
Add maintenance coat of varnish on floors and re-secure
Install and varnish framework for windows
Repair and revarnish bulkheads where needed
Re-install all cabinets and tables
Finish installation of canvas cover for ceiling in forward berth
Ice box cover – install hardware and gasket
Head – re-cut new mirror and install
Forward cabin has trim work that needs to be installed
Brow in forward cabin to be replaced with new trim work


*Level 2: Updates and Improvements*
Hull repainting – large project to be described as we get closer to 
that project

Paint steering pedestal white
Replace instruments
Replace opening port in cockpit with new
Add winch handle holders in cockpit
Paint new non-skid in cockpit seats and floor
Make set of cockpit cushions
Install a cockpit shower
Re-bed all deck gear, hardware and chainplates (last another 20 years)
Replace all blocks with updated equipment
Replace all running rigging
Replace genoa sheet cars with moveable sheet lead under load
Replace missing wood bungs on teak toe rail (may need to reset screws 
deeper as wood has shrunk over time)

Sand toe rail and varnish
Winches to be stripped cleaned and greased
Paint interior of chain locker
Make a grating for chain locker to help rode to dry
Stanchion bases and cleats to be removed and powder coated to original 
color
All deck non-skid to be renewed with white or Hatteras soft yellow 
(Tartan Yachts uses this style)

Add stanchion rollers for headsail furling line to lead to cockpit
Replace steering cables with new
Replace all interior lighting with LED
Install Isotherm hot water tank
Replace interior cushions with new foam and fabrics
Replace AC/DC switch panel with BluSea panel
Add swim ladder
*
*
*
*
*Level 3: Enhancements*
Replace manual windlass with an electric version
Upgrade chain and rope to fit new windlass
Add pad-eye on bow platform for code zero sail
Add Fischer Panda Perfect Power iSeries Generator
Install reverse cycle heat and air conditioning system
Add custom fitted mattress for sleeping berths
New mainsail with deep double reef and Harken bat car track for ease 
of hoist

Stack-pack for mainsail storage (see MacSails of Florida)
Gooseneck double reefing hook from South Shore Yachts
Replace standing rod rigging for peace of mind
Add Code Zero sail on Facnor continuous line furling unit
Add Wisker pole
Upgrade roller furling unit
Add Mantus anchor



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Re: Stus-List I need help with portlights

[james via CnC-List]

I did this project too, Here's a link to my photos. 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/z0mpKkzmP4T12nrn1  One hint I learned, get a 
Sterling "Glass Fab" jigsaw blade to cut the window openings. One blade 
lasted for all four window opening and cut much better than any other 
method I tried. You can get them from Jamestown distributing.


James

Delaney

1976 C 38

Oriental, NC


On 7/27/2017 2:36 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List wrote:

Ronald,
I'd love to see pics on that too. That is one of our biggest 
complaints with our 34' not enough airflow through the main cabin.



Kevin Paxton
'82 34 #473
Japhys Spirit
Cornfield Creek, MD

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 2:00 PM Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
> wrote:


Can you share your pictures with me?

Neil
1982 C 32

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661

*From:* CnC-List > on behalf of RONALD
CASCIATO via CnC-List >
*Sent:* Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:54:32 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Cc:* RONALD CASCIATO
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List I need help with portlights
Mark,
Your boat is now 40 years old.you might want to consider not
replacing 40 year old parts and methods with the same 40 year old
stuff

15 years ago, I replaced my 1977 ..38 ports with new Lewmar
opening ports...with screens included
The openings on mine were about 1/8" smaller and it was a no
brainer go enlarge them a bit .the result is a nice clean
.modern look and functioning ports

Pictures available on request.

Ron C.

Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App

-Original Message-

From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: msmit...@columbus.rr.com 
Sent: 2017-07-26 9:06:12 PM
Subject: Stus-List I need help with portlights


Can somebody point me to a thread discussing replacement of old
style aluminum framed portlights?
I have a 1977 C 30 Mark 1.  The portlights were replaced
previously by the PO and I don't think they were
done correctly, so I don't have a reference to go by to do it
right.  Are there any diagrams showing how the plexiglas
fits into the frame, where caulk should be applied, and how the
gasketing should fit (ie, I need a cross-section drawing of the
window construction so I can do it right).
I'm not trying to be lazy,  but I can't figure out how to search
these archives.


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Re: Stus-List Anyone in Oriental to look at a boat?

[james via CnC-List]

Joe,

Beside myself, Charlie Nelson and Mark Baldridge are in Oriental. I'll 
be back down on the boat in a couple of weeks and would be happy to go 
looking


James

SV Delaney

1976 C 38

Oriental, NC


On 7/11/2017 9:41 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:


Joe

Coquina



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Re: Stus-List C 40 for sale

[james via CnC-List]

I looked into the draft reduction. Rick Brass has done it on his 38 and 
he is very happy with the results. He went the Mars Metals route with a 
bulb to replace the lost weight and stability. I gave it a lot of 
thought, but with the current price of lead and the shipping costs, I 
decided against it. OTOH, my boat "only" draws 6'1" (very deep draft for 
my area). I have become friendly with the local TowBoat captain and I 
don't have much hope of keeping a lot of paint on the bottom of my keel!


James

Delaney

1976 C 38

Oriental, NC


On 5/30/2017 11:24 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:

Saw this listing:

https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/6153505462.html

Don't know the boat.

--
Joel
301 541 8551


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Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C 39 trash project

[james via CnC-List]

Doug, could you make the first word all caps and the second word all 
lower case?


James

Delaney

1976 C 38

Oriental NC



On 5/25/2017 10:22 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List wrote:
Is it fitting that the new boat is named Significant Other? Me not 
being married.

Just asking.



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
Doug Mountjoy
POYC
Pegasus
Lf38
Significant Other
LF39

 Original message 
From: Jake Brodersen 
Date: 5/25/17 18:35 (GMT-08:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: 'svpegasus38' 
Subject: RE: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C 39 that has not been 
trashed! Was C 39 trash project


Doug,

A boat is very much like a mistress.

I buy her a place to stay (a slip).

I buy her stuff I don’t tell my wife about (electronics and sailing 
goodies).


I sneak away to spend time with her.

I tell her she’s special and there is no one like her.

Jake

*Jake Brodersen*

*C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”*

*Hampton VA*

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*svpegasus38 via CnC-List

*Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 13:05
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* svpegasus38 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C 39 that has not been 
trashed! Was C 39 trash project


Isn't a boat like a mistress?

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

Doug Mountjoy

POYC

Pegasus

Lf38

Significant Other

LF39.



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Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C 39 trash project

[james via CnC-List]

No, boats cost more! Especially the sexy ones..

James

Delaney

1976 C

Oriental, NC


On 5/25/2017 1:05 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List wrote:

Isn't a boat like a mistress?



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
Doug Mountjoy
POYC
Pegasus
Lf38
Significant Other
LF39.

 Original message 
From: RANDY via CnC-List 
Date: 5/25/17 08:59 (GMT-08:00)
To: cnc-list 
Cc: RANDY 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C 39 that has not been 
trashed! Was C 39 trash project


Mike I am discovering the things you write about - "make it as it 
should be", "lavishing attention on our boats", etc.  My wife has 
noticed that last one too :)  I've been using the excuse "I'm just 
doing what the boat deserves"!


How does that joke go again?  A psychiatrist told a patient that men 
have boats because they can't have mistresses, but the psychiatrist 
got it backwards.  Men have mistresses when they can't have boats :)


Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO


*From: *"Mike via CnC-List Hoyt" 
*To: *"cnc-list" 
*Cc: *"Mike Hoyt" 
*Sent: *Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:52:07 AM
*Subject: *Stus-List Honey - was RE: A C 39 that has not been 
trashed! Was C 39 trash project


Maybe more than it could be sold for but definitely not more than it 
is worth.  Worth is measured in more than dollars and the reality is 
that to take any boat and make it as it should be can be many 
thousands or tens of thousands more than the purchase price.  The only 
difference as I see it is that spending $20,000 on regular maintenance 
on a newer $250,000 boat seems more normal than doing so on an older 
$40,000 boat.  They are both still sailboats and cost the same to run.


Lavishing attention on our boats is often reward enough by itself and 
some may suggest that it is more rewarding to some of us than doing 
the same to people!


Mike

Persistence

Also spent way too much over the past 4 years (and the 10+ before that!)

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List

*Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:08 AM
*To:* C
*Cc:* Jack Fitzgerald
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List A C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C 
39 trash project


I have sailed and raced my 39TM at least 100,000 miles since purchase 
in 1975 and even with the original rudder never suffered the round up 
issued mention earlier in the thread. However, in late 1976 C sent 
me a new and updated deeper rudder "free of charge" and the boat just 
simply sailed even better. Then in 2002, I had new high aspect rudder 
designed and built for Honey and improvement was beyond belief. Sadly, 
the maintenance, new UK sails & general upkeep over the last 4 years 
costs more than the boat is worth. I can honestly say that our C 39 
TM has aged like a fine wine, after 42 years of owning her she just 
keeps getting better, I just wish that her value would increase as well.


I agree, the 39 is the prettiest of the hulls that C built and they 
built some damn good looking boats.


Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald

HONEY

US12788

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:13 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
> wrote:


The 39s may have issues, but I swear they have to be about the 
prettiest thing C ever made J


I wonder if a short bowsprit and moving the forestay out half a foot 
would solve the roundup issue. My 35 MK I looks a lot like a 39 with a 
few feet cut off and we don’t suffer that round-up issue to that 
extent at all.


Joe

Coquina


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Re: Stus-List A C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C 39 trash project

[james via CnC-List]

I have never sailed on an unmodified 39. I think that ours had a 
tendency to round up because the replacement keel was a Peterson type 
design (like the one in the link) and it moved the center of resistance 
too far forward.


James

Delaney

1976 C 38 Oriental NC


On 5/25/2017 7:13 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:


The 39s may have issues, but I swear they have to be about the 
prettiest thing C ever made J


I wonder if a short bowsprit and moving the forestay out half a foot 
would solve the roundup issue. My 35 MK I looks a lot like a 39 with a 
few feet cut off and we don’t suffer that round-up issue to that 
extent at all.


Joe

Coquina

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*james via CnC-List

*Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:51 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* james <jtsai...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List A C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C 
39 trash project


The 39 that I grew up sailing had a similar keel mod. It was a 7'1" 
draft and that boat went to weather like a dream! Rudder was too small 
and she would round up like you wouldn't believe, had to sail it very 
close to the edge Won a lot of silver with her. The boat is still 
in our area, sitting on the hard at Jarrett Bay Boat Works undergoing 
an extensive rebuild. Keel has since been chainsawed off to a 6' draft.


James

Delaney

C 1976

Oriental, NC

On 5/24/2017 6:43 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:

I would have to take a chainsaw to the keel to get into my marina.

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>

Coquina

C 35 MK I

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf
Of *Jerome Tauber via CnC-List
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:08 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*Cc:* Jerome Tauber <jrtau...@aol.com> <mailto:jrtau...@aol.com>
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List A C 39 that has not been trashed! Was
C 39 trash project

8' draft.  Can sail it in the Mariana Trench but not where I sale.
  Jerry

Sent from my iPhone


On May 24, 2017, at 11:24 AM, bushmark4--- via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Wow, what a great boat! If I didn't have my current boat, I
would be seriously looking at at that one! Its hard to believe
that this is the same model as the neglected one about to be
trashed! Thanks Mike for sharing this.

Richard

s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 584.4

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255

-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com
<mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
Sent: Wed, May 24, 2017 8:26 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List A C 39 that has not been trashed! Was
C 39 trash project

On a more positive note Ceilidh is for sale. This is a 1973
C 39 TM with a deeper keel.  This boat is in excellent
condition. It is listed on Yachtworld by Sunnybrook Yachts but
can easily be found by going to www.sunnybrookyachts.com
<http://www.sunnybrookyachts.com>

I am in no way affiliated with the sale of this boat or with
Sunnybrook.  However when you hear of a boat dying it is often
uplifting to look at one of the finest examples of the same
vessel. It is also heartening after seeing a beautiful boat
neglected to see the same model that has been given the
attention all boats deserve!

Mike

Persistence

1987 Frers 33

Halifax, NS

http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt
<http://users.eastlink.ca/%7Emhoyt>

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com?>] *On Behalf Of *Jack
Fitzgerald via CnC-List
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:00 PM
*To:* C
*Cc:* Jack Fitzgerald
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List C 39 project being trashed

We have owned our 39-TM since 1975. I pains me to see someone
let a C, especially a 39 become a derelict. I doubt that
there are any usable parts left to use beyond the salvage
price of the lead in the keel. What a shame!!!


Best regards,
Jack & Beth Fitzgerald

S/V HONEY

US12788

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Parts boat for someone who already owns one.

On Ma

Re: Stus-List A C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C 39 trash project

[james via CnC-List]

The 39 that I grew up sailing had a similar keel mod. It was a 7'1" 
draft and that boat went to weather like a dream! Rudder was too small 
and she would round up like you wouldn't believe, had to sail it very 
close to the edge Won a lot of silver with her. The boat is still in 
our area, sitting on the hard at Jarrett Bay Boat Works undergoing an 
extensive rebuild. Keel has since been chainsawed off to a 6' draft.


James

Delaney

C 1976

Oriental, NC


On 5/24/2017 6:43 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:


I would have to take a chainsaw to the keel to get into my marina.

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com 

Coquina

C 35 MK I

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Jerome Tauber via CnC-List

*Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:08 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Jerome Tauber 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List A C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C 
39 trash project


8' draft.  Can sail it in the Mariana Trench but not where I sale.   
Jerry


Sent from my iPhone


On May 24, 2017, at 11:24 AM, bushmark4--- via CnC-List 
> wrote:


Wow, what a great boat! If I didn't have my current boat, I would
be seriously looking at at that one! Its hard to believe that this
is the same model as the neglected one about to be trashed! Thanks
Mike for sharing this.

Richard

s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 584.4

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255

-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List >
To: cnc-list >
Cc: Hoyt, Mike >
Sent: Wed, May 24, 2017 8:26 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List A C 39 that has not been trashed! Was C
39 trash project

On a more positive note Ceilidh is for sale.  This is a 1973 C
39 TM with a deeper keel. This boat is in excellent condition.  It
is listed on Yachtworld by Sunnybrook Yachts but can easily be
found by going to www.sunnybrookyachts.com


I am in no way affiliated with the sale of this boat or with
Sunnybrook.  However when you hear of a boat dying it is often
uplifting to look at one of the finest examples of the same
vessel. It is also heartening after seeing a beautiful boat
neglected to see the same model that has been given the attention
all boats deserve!

Mike

Persistence

1987 Frers 33

Halifax, NS

http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt 

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
] *On Behalf Of *Jack
Fitzgerald via CnC-List
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:00 PM
*To:* C
*Cc:* Jack Fitzgerald
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List C 39 project being trashed

We have owned our 39-TM since 1975. I pains me to see someone let
a C, especially a 39 become a derelict. I doubt that there are
any usable parts left to use beyond the salvage price of the lead
in the keel. What a shame!!!


Best regards,
Jack & Beth Fitzgerald

S/V HONEY

US12788

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List
> wrote:

Parts boat for someone who already owns one.

On May 23, 2017 3:32 PM, "Craig Cochran via CnC-List"
> wrote:

As a 39 owner, that's painfull

 Original message 
From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List >
Date: 23/05/2017 16:59 (GMT+00:00)
To: C List >
Cc: Josh Muckley >
Subject: Stus-List C 39 project being trashed

Somebody looking for a cheap project boat?  Kills me to see a boat
get destroyed.


https://www.facebook.com/groups/sailboatsforsale/permalink/1536653003119915/?sale_post_id=1536653003119915


Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD


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Re: Stus-List Battery Charger

[james via CnC-List]

I really like my Charles 30 amp. very robust.

James

C 38 1976

Oriental, NC


On 5/6/2017 8:45 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List wrote:
I had two Guest chargers on previous boats that similarly just died.  
On my current boat I installed a Charles 3-bank (I think it's 30 amp) 
"smart" charger.  It was expensive, but is robust.  I haven't had any 
issues since I installed it several years ago.


-Original Message- From: robert via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 9:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Battery Charger

My old Guest Pro Battery Charger Model 2815 seems to have hit the
dustit was working yesterday but today it was notno charge going
to batteries and no lights on on the charger'red' when it is
charging 'green' when in float mode.  There is an exterior fuse which I
checked and it looks finemaybe I should replace it just to be sure.
I have no idea how old this device is or how long they are supposed to 
last.


Is there anything else I could check?

However, if it has simply 'expired', any suggestions on what I might
replace it with?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 -84
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List Advise on cutting fiberglass

[james via CnC-List]

Rick, when I did my portlights I tried a bunch of different methods to 
cut the openings. By far the best blade you can use to cut fiberglass 
with a jigsaw is called Sterling - Glass-fab blades #87072 has the Bosch 
shank & #82032 will fit the B They cut clean and relatively quick and 
hold up very well. I used 1 blade to cut all four portlights.


James

Delaney

1976 C 38

Oriental, NC


On 4/8/2017 11:58 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:


As background, I installed an opening port on Imzadi to replace a 
fixed aluminum framed portlight, and it didn’t go to my expectations. 
I had to expand the existing opening by a small margin, and decided 
that I could use my handy dandy Dremel tool to cut the fiberglass 
laminate. But the cut I got was far from smooth and straight. So I 
decided I’d put off installing the other three ports until I figured 
out a better way of doing it.


I have three current projects that will require me to cut laminate: 
additional opening ports, removing the inner skin on the cockpit 
locker covers so I can replace rotted core, and making a propane 
locker. So my question is: What would be the best tool for getting 
smooth straight cuts in fiberglass laminate?


A friend in the boat repair business will loan me his Rotozip, but I’m 
not confident that I would get better cuts that I did on the window 
opening (operator error, I freely admit).


Dremel (among others) makes a mini circular saw that looks almost 
ideal for making shallow, straight cuts. But corners might be a problem.


A vibrating multi-tool (I still think of it as a Fein tool) seems like 
a real possibility, plus having a lot of uses on other projects. But 
I’m not sure how well it will cut fiberglass.


You guys are the experts. What tool should I buy (or borrow)?

Rick Brass

*Imzadi *C 38 mk 2

*la Belle Aurore *C 25 mk1

Washington, NC



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